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Sean Payton versus Mike Vrabel- Old school vs. new school when it comes to coaching styles?
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00:00I don't know where you put Sean Payton in that.
00:02Is he an old school?
00:03Is he a Bill Belichick, Bill Parsi?
00:05He certainly has taken some of what he's, I'm sure, done as a coach from Bill Parcells
00:13and from that experience.
00:15But is there a difference in style, approach, old school, new school with Mike Rabel and
00:21Sean Payton?
00:21I would say Sean Payton is obviously cut from the Parcells cloth.
00:25He's done a good job because he's been successful in this new school of coaching where Rabel
00:34I think has a little bit of Belichick, he has a little bit of Parcells.
00:37I was fortunate to play for both of those guys.
00:40And he has a little bit of that old school but new school because he talks to the players.
00:45He wants to know what they're going on, what their day's like, what can we do things differently?
00:51I mean, the big thing during the training camp was how he was taking care of these players
00:55physically, right?
00:55That's a new school.
00:57It's kind of like Diet Bill.
00:59It's similar but less harsh.
01:02You remember there was outrage amongst the diehards because he didn't have them out practicing
01:11enough in training camp.
01:12I believe Greg Bedard, who's never been right in his life, said that Gerard Mayo ran a better
01:16camp.
01:17Yes.
01:17Yes.
01:18Great one.
01:19And I don't think Sean, and I don't know if Sean Payton's doing the same thing or is
01:23he still of the, here, the Bill Parcells, we're going to go out there and we're going
01:28to, you know, practice hard.
01:29But, you know, we're not going to take as much time out of pads and that kind of thing.
01:33So, but he's, listen, I'm not going to knock Sean Payton.
01:36He's done a good job with the Denver Broncos.
01:38I think Vrabel, the authenticity of who he is and the way he coaches, I think part of
01:47it is the former player aspect where, you know, maybe he might have been the guy who
01:53was saying, you know, I remember the Super Bowl week down in New Orleans and we're banging
01:57and wearing full pads and we're still like out there going crazy.
02:00He might be the guy that's like, we don't need to do that.
02:03From a player perspective, he understands that.
02:06He went through it with Bill and he understands how the players feel about that.
02:11And he has the privilege of having sons that are around the age of the guys that he's coaching.
02:16So, you know, when you're around 21, 23 year old boys, what the guys are doing and you
02:20can relate in a way that people whose lives are not in the same position can.
02:24And the relationship is real because the one thing he said is he talks about being authentic,
02:31but he also talks about giving them the truth, whether it hurts or whether it's good or bad.
02:37That is the one thing that I'll say that I would always say about Bill Parcells and Bill
02:42Belichick.
02:42I have had a lot of coaches in my football career, but especially in the NFL, the one
02:47thing I will say about Parcells and Belichick, they give it to you like it is.
02:51And as a player, you respect that more than a coach blowing smoke up your ass.
02:57And I think Vrabel comes from that same type of, or he's cut from that same type of cloth
03:02where I want to get to know, but I'm not going to blow smoke up these guys' asses.
03:06Isn't that what they're feeling though about his comments about Stidham?
03:08Like the veterans on that Broncos team, they're like, we know you're not being honest.
03:12Like, why are you doing this?
03:13Why are you pumping the tires right now?
03:15Right, and I get what you made a good point, or maybe it was you, Greg, who made the point
03:19of, like, I get he's trying to take on more of like, all right, to kind of keep it off
03:25of Stidham.
03:26Yeah, he's putting it on himself basically to keep it off of Jared Stidham.
03:29Right, but he's got to still be saying, hey, listen, it's going to be extremely difficult
03:35because we did lose our starting quarterback.
03:38We have all the confidence in the world in Jared Stidham, but here's what we need to do
03:43as a defense.
03:44Here's what we need to do as an offense because we are asking somebody who hasn't played,
03:50who hasn't been in this situation to do something and be honest rather than blowing smoke up
03:56guys' butts like, oh, yeah, I mean, you should see him on scout team.
04:00Well, you know, listen, you've been saying it all morning.
04:02You don't believe that Jared Stidham is going to be a positive factor in this football game
04:09for that Broncos team at all.
04:11So if the Patriots lose this game, it's not from your perspective because Jared Stidham
04:19is very effective and beats them.
04:22We talked earlier about when you think about things that might end up leading to a loss
04:27here, we talked about the noise out there.
04:29You have dealt with that.
04:32I mean, what's the issue when it comes to count and what you're doing when you're on that line
04:39as an offensive player playing out there?
04:41Yeah, it's just not jumping off sides, right?
04:44Not going from first and 10 to first and 15 or second and two to second and seven because
04:48you allow the snap count or the crowd noise to get to you, right?
04:52Those are the, that's the biggest thing, the communication aspect.
04:55You miss something because you can't hear the communication and what's going on and maybe
05:00we got to burn a timeout or maybe I can't hear it and I don't get the whole play call
05:05and we, I end up running something else and you run something indifferently.
05:09He did say, Mike Vrabel did say yesterday, the day before that they have used throughout the
05:13season, they've used the silent count, whether they needed it or not, which is, is, is great
05:23coaching.
05:24It's impressive that they have, they have worked on that.
05:26And then the communication between, you know, the offensive lineman, if I'm a tight end and
05:30I'm communicating with the tackle, I got to make sure I do a good job of communicating
05:35maybe before we break the huddle pre-snap.
05:37So if it gets too loud, the thing I would say this, Greg, if they lose, we'll be sitting
05:43here or wherever we'll be sitting on Monday talking about how bad Drake May played or what
05:50the hell was that defense doing?
05:52How do you let, you know, Jared Stidham throw for 300 yards in three touchdowns?
05:58Like we'll be talking about something that we haven't seen all season long.
06:04That's why my confidence level is so high.
06:07Doesn't it make you guys nervous that he's so overconfident?
06:10No, because he was like it for the Chargers.
06:12He was like it for the Texans.
06:13And we were, we were the way that we are right now for both of those games as well.
06:17Like Wiggy, Wiggy gives it straight.
06:20And I think that you and I don't want to be a jinx.
06:22Yeah.
06:22Wiggy doesn't care.
06:23Yeah.
06:24I would say that also one part of this preparation and all the coaching talk is Josh McDaniels.
06:29And we haven't talked about him a ton.
06:30He is the most hated man on that team that's landing in Denver.
06:35They hate Josh McDaniels.
06:37He burned that place to the ground, got fired, and it was an absolute catastrophic coaching
06:44period of his life.
06:45Like in Denver, I got my cousin who was out there.
06:48Like they view Josh McDaniels as like the same way we viewed like Rick Pitino.
06:53Like it's just, they are, because they view him as a guy that showed up, ruined everything,
06:58fired everybody, and then left this like pile of waste.
07:01Poor Josh McDaniels getting lumped in with Rick Pitino.
07:04They're not, they're not, we're not, they're not dealing with snow Sunday.
07:10Like they're the only state that's not, right?
07:11That's correct.
07:12Basically.
07:12So that's not, that's not an issue.
07:15It will be cold or whatever.
07:16And, but it is fun fact about Colorado sunny 300 days a year.
07:21Yes, I think you said that the other day on the show.
07:23Yeah, you told us that.
07:24Oh, well, it's better the second time.
07:26Yeah, it is.
07:27I didn't hear it first.
07:28You felt it was worth repeating.
07:29Well, I mean, one to two inches of snow coming Sunday.
07:31Yes, exactly.
07:32But don't you feel that way though, Greg?
07:34I mean, but don't you feel if they lose, it's going to be something that is so, and I
07:39said this last time.
07:40I just don't believe, I think Sean Payton on the offensive side of the football is a good
07:47enough coach to, to, to make Jared Stidham reasonably effective in that offense.
07:54So I don't think it's, it's going to be as glaring as you think it is the difference
07:59between those two.
08:00Between both Patriots offense and the, and the Broncos offense.
08:05It's like, I, I just, I, I don't, but Nick, I mean, Nick Kostos, who's he's, he wants
08:11you to bet the over.
08:12He thinks they're going to, they're going to put up, Broncos are going to put up 21
08:15points.
08:16I like, unless he thinks the Patriots are going to score 42.
08:19I like.
08:20Yeah.
08:21But I mean, if you watch the Broncos and, and, and he does, you know, Nick brings up a
08:24good point, but Chimes also brought this up.
08:26If you watch them towards kind of the end of the season, how they were heading into the
08:29postseason, you start to look at some of the struggles offensively.
08:33Um, and if you look at the, the game against the Buffalo bills, you know, Bo Nix made some
08:39plays with his legs.
08:40Like you're not getting that.
08:41Like that's an L we talk about Drake may and think about the games that, that the Patriots
08:47have been able to won and the 27 or 37 yard run that Drake may had that opened up the door.
08:53You're not going to get that.
08:54But, but Sean Payton knows that and has known that for a week.
08:57Right.
08:57But the problem is a week to scheme around.
09:00Right.
09:00But the, the, you can't scheme, you can't scheme around it and you can't scheme it up.
09:05It's just an ability that Bo Nix has that Drake may has that Jared Stidham doesn't.
09:12And that's why I feel like if we lose on Monday, we'll be sitting down talking about not the
09:15fact that the defense wasn't able to get after Jared Stidham.
09:18We're going to be sitting there saying that Drake may had a terrible game and that the
09:21Broncos defense was able to get to him.
09:23So the old line had a terrible game as well.
09:24Like that, that will be the key.
09:26I think for this one, I disagree.
09:27Paco's keys.
09:28I like Paco's keys.
09:30Win the turnover battle.
09:31Yes, always.
09:32I like that key though.
09:33But the, I think if they lose, the story is the defense.
09:36I think if the defense, if they allow 20 plus points to Jared Stidham, it will be that
09:41this great defense was fool's gold.
09:43Like you didn't win this game.
09:45I think, you know, nationally.
09:46So what's reasonable for you when it comes to the Patriots defense points allowed?
09:50I mean, I think 17.
09:52Okay.
09:52Reasonable.
09:5317 or less, you'll win the game.
09:53You'll win the game if you, if you only allow.
09:56Yeah, they're averaging nine.
09:57So, I mean, you, you, you, you, you, uh, the Chargers only scored three and the Texans
10:04scored, what, 12?
10:05Yep.
10:05So, you know, 17, I would say that, you know, that's probably where I would think it would
10:11be.
10:11I mean, I might even go a little bit less, but I would say like, all right, 17 is reasonable.
10:16Yeah.
10:16And, uh, we have some news coming out, which is, uh, I just saw Jones tweeted.
10:20So Diana Rossini tweeted, the bills met with candidates at Orchard Park in Buffalo.
10:24And guess who's a big part of the hiring process?
10:28Josh Allen.
10:28Josh Allen.
10:29Yep.
10:29And so at some point he's going to have to answer questions because he's sort of hid behind
10:33the coach and the GM and they had that dumpster fire over press conference.
10:36But Josh Allen was a big part of that.
10:38I'd be fascinated.
10:39Do you think Bill Belichick gets an interview?
10:41No, I don't think so.
10:43Yeah, I don't.
10:44This is Tim from Hanover.
10:46Tim, good morning.
10:48Yeah, Greg, I agree a hundred percent on what you just said about Stidham and Sean Payton.
10:55Let me tell you, this is the biggest stage Stidham has ever had a chance for.
11:00He's been making, he's the third best highest paid backup in the NFL.
11:05So obviously, with Payton in there, if he does great, he opens up the opportunity for
11:12next year to go to somewhere else and make more money instead of just relying on his wealth
11:18that he gets.
11:19We're not playing.
11:20So I get it.
11:21I hope the Pats win.
11:23You know what I mean?
11:24Yeah.
11:25Thanks for the call.
11:25We talked about this earlier.
11:27And I guess that the six million bucks a year that Sean Payton was willing to invest in
11:36that quarterback is less about him and more about he didn't know what Bo Nix was going
11:42to be.
11:42Like, don't you think?
11:43Yeah.
11:44I mean, but you don't have to, you can find a backup for less money.
11:47If you don't think, I mean, I would say the quality of the player is what led to the six
11:51million dollar payment.
11:52If he's not worth six million dollars, then you can get anybody else to back him up.
11:55Sean Payton believes he can play the position.
11:57If he didn't, he wouldn't give him that deal.
11:59I think Sean Payton thinks he's a good player.
12:01I wouldn't disagree with you on that.
12:03I think Sean Payton looks and goes, all right, we think Stidham's a good player.
12:06We evaluate him.
12:07Whatever we've seen, we think he's worth X amount of dollars.
12:11And I get that part of it.
12:14But I think they look at it as like, okay, if Bo Nix can't play a couple games during the
12:19regular season, we got a quality backup.
12:22They don't look at it and go, well, if we lose Bo Nix for the eighths,
12:25eighths, championship game, we have all the confidence in the world in this kid.
12:30I just, you know, because I don't think there's any backup quarterback that has that.
12:34Coach would say the same thing.
12:36I mean, if you wanted to go cheap, Tommy Cutlass was available.
12:39Oh, that's true.
12:40I mean, I don't know why Ken hasn't brought up Joe Milton, the best quarterback in the world.
12:46Tommy Cutlass, is he active?
12:48No.
12:49On Sunday?
12:49No.
12:49His agent is.
12:51Yeah.
12:51Sean would definitely be there.
12:52Oh, he was on the sideline when we went to the, down to the sideline before that game
12:56Sunday, he was there like with these gold boots on.
12:59Oh, he always has the craziest shoes.
13:01They were probably Louboutins.
13:02That's all he wears.
13:03Is he doing that well?
13:04Or I mean, he's got one client.
13:06Right.
13:06Yeah.
13:06He's got a bunch of guys.
13:07He does?
13:08Yeah.
13:08He's got a bunch of like.
13:09What's 3% of nothing?
13:10Low level guys.
13:11You know, like.
13:12He used to have like Patrick Chung and like a few guys after the day.
13:16I mean, he's got Tommy Cutlass, right?
13:18Yeah.
13:18They're paying a probably good money progressive to do that commercial that Tommy Cutlass is
13:22in.
13:22So if you're getting 10% of whatever, you know, you get for that.
13:25But the fees for the players, if you have to, with a hundred million in contracts, you're
13:29only getting 3 million.
13:303%.
13:31Right.
13:31That's for the contracts.
13:33But then there might be the endorsement deals where they probably get 10%.
13:36Right.
13:37But that's still, I mean, I wouldn't think.
13:39I mean, I'd take 3 million.
13:41But that's like over the course of his career, not one season.
13:43Yeah, but break that down per year.
13:46The cost of doing business with Drake May is going up and up.
13:51Oh, my God.
13:53If you were on that early from the endorser side of things, you got yourself a deal.
13:58Yeah, but his number is still going to change, even if you are on that early.
14:02No hometown discounts.
14:03If he wins the Super Bowl this year, he will be the highest paid player in the NFL in one
14:08season.
14:10Yeah.
14:11Without a doubt.
14:12Yeah.
14:12You're the MVP.
14:13You're 23 years old.
14:15You win a Super Bowl.
14:16Entering year three, you're playing for, you know, maybe 80, 90 million a year.
14:20You think they'll give him a 10-year Patrick Mahomes kind of contract?
14:23I don't think so.
14:24But I think it's like with the, what was the Josh Allen contract?
14:27I think it's similar, maybe more than that.
14:29Right.
14:29I think AAV as opposed to, you know, 10 years, you know, a billion.
14:33This is Art from Walpole.
14:35Art, what's going on?
14:38Good morning, everybody.
14:39I agree with Nick Kostas that the key to the whole game is Drake May.
14:45Even if the defense gives up some points, which I think they may.
14:49I think Drake May is the guy, and he's not going to have three mecha-mecha games in a row.
14:56I think he's going to be super focused, and I think the Patriots are going to cruise in
15:02this thing on Sunday.
15:03All right.
15:04I really do.
15:05And my next door name has to be one of the starting people in the Patriots.
15:09We had a discussion last night, and he said May is all set to go on this one.
15:15I would say sit back and enjoy it, folks.
15:18It's going to be a good one.
15:19Sit back and enjoy, and then you're booking your flight to Santa Clara halftime, or when
15:28are we doing that?
15:29When are we going to do that?
15:30Will that be the third quarter?
15:31When are we confident in booking flights to the Super Bowl?
15:34You should just do it now.
15:35Not until the end.
15:36Do it now, Shyam?
15:37Yeah, just do it now.
15:38I don't want to pay for it.
15:40I'm not going to use it again.
15:42Did you see the flight Ken has?
15:43He can get a refund.
15:44Only six stops.
15:47But the caller makes a good point.
15:49Do you think Drake May is going to play three games in a row where he's just been so-so,
15:55or do you think he finally has a good game?
15:58This is the toughest game he's going to have.
16:00Not because the Broncos are that much better, but you know better than anybody, at home,
16:05on offense, changing plays, figuring it out, getting the call-in from Josh.
16:09It is as loud in that place as it is in any stadium in the NFL.
16:12And it being the AFC Championship game even adds more pressure to that.
16:16So I just, I guess, I think the caller asks a great question.
16:21Does he have another one of those games, or does he have a game where he doesn't have
16:26to be, like, ridiculous 275-plus yards, but maybe he's 225, he's, you know, 70% completion,
16:34he's, I don't know, you know, 18 to 23, and you're kind of like, oh, man, two touchdowns.
16:39He's kind of been like, what's the expression, not for Shine, but for the rest of us when
16:44it comes to golf, you hit one shot, and, you know, you play horribly, but then you hit
16:49one shot, and that keeps you coming.
16:51That one brings you back.
16:51He has been, whether it's the throw to Booty or...
16:55The throw to Hunter Henry.
16:56Hunter Henry.
16:57Oh, what a throw.
16:57He makes those plays in the, even when he is mediocre, or however you want to describe
17:04it.
17:04So you just need more of that.
17:06But that's what differentiates.
17:07And that's what wins games, though.
17:07And that's what that will, is what we need again.
17:10Yeah.
17:10And so that's why, that's why my confidence is where it is.
17:14Who makes more of those?
17:15Jared Stidham is not making those, most likely, is what you are suggesting.
17:19The thing, though, with that is that that's what separates Brady Mahomes from Aaron Rodgers,
17:23is that the stats are not as important as the pass in the fourth quarter.
17:28Right.
17:28That gets, you know, the pass Brady threw to Gronk in Super Bowl 53.
17:31He had a bad game, but he got a pass.
17:32But that's where my, that's why I lean when you, because it comes down, we've watched so
17:37much football.
17:38We've been around so much football, playoff football, high pressure situation, and it
17:42comes down to one quarterback making the play and the other not, whether it's the Jimmy
17:47Garoppolo, who doesn't hit, I forget who was in the end zone against the Kansas City Chiefs.
17:53In the Super Bowl.
17:54And then it made the Sanders or something.
17:56Yeah.
17:56And that's what it comes down to where, and listen, it's just, it's the reality of it.
18:03If you've never been in that situation and now all of a sudden you're thrust into this
18:07situation, I'm going to go with the guy who I've seen slide to his left, going off his
18:13back foot and hitting Hunter Henry.
18:15Yeah.
18:16All right.
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