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Seth and Sean discuss it seeming like Nick Caley will be back at OC next season for the Texans.
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00:00The NFL offseason right this moment is way more intriguing to me than the conference championship games.
00:05Yes.
00:06I haven't thought about the conference championship games hardly at all except to think,
00:10oh, I haven't thought about the conference championship games yet.
00:13Do you think some of that is a defense mechanism?
00:17We talked about the Kubler-Ross five stages of grief.
00:20Could it be that you were actually still in the first stage?
00:23Denial.
00:23No, no, no, no, no.
00:25That does happen to me in baseball.
00:26I mean, partly in baseball, I just lose interest.
00:29No.
00:31I'm just pretty damn interested in the playoffs even after the Texans are eliminated in the wild card round every year.
00:36But I usually pay attention to the conference championships more.
00:41This is the first morning I really consciously thought about, oh, yeah.
00:46Yeah, we should probably start breaking these games down, I guess.
00:50I don't care about the round.
00:51The only thing I care about is the Seahawks, really.
00:53Yeah.
00:54Okay, so there's a little bit of denial with the Patriots because Drake May is obviously a good quarterback.
00:58Yeah.
00:59And so I guess I'm a little bit of denial about them.
01:01But they're not – they're facing Jarrett Stidham.
01:03Yeah.
01:03I think it's possible to be in two stages at the same time.
01:06You know what I mean?
01:07Like, I think you could be in denial about certain things.
01:09I've accepted certain things.
01:12You know?
01:12Well, I think at the end of the day, the thing that I'm still processing here is why did C.J. Stroud throw four interceptions in the most important game in franchise history?
01:22It was a horrible decision from a career standpoint.
01:25It was a bad choice by him.
01:26You know, I don't – if you could go back in time and say, you know what, today I'm not going to throw four interceptions.
01:31I think that would be a better look for both the team and myself.
01:33A bad day, yes.
01:34Then, I mean, it's just these are the things you learn as a young athlete.
01:37Yeah.
01:37Like, hey, you know what?
01:39Four interceptions is not the road for me.
01:42Oh, my God.
01:43Oh, my God.
01:44Yeah.
01:45I am – the other thing, too, and we'll get into this later in the show, the other reason the offseason is so intriguing is that these – the head coaching carousel is about as interesting as it's been in a long time.
01:57Because the very first two hires were two guys that got fired within a week before getting their new jobs.
02:02The fact that John Harbaugh and evidently Kevin Stefanski very highly thought of because he got a job right away.
02:10John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, and Sean McDermott are both out there.
02:14I mean, McDermott's out there.
02:15Tomlin is sort of out there, I guess, if you wanted to trade for him.
02:18He quit.
02:20He didn't get fired.
02:21But you've got these – you've got these owners, I should say, Seth.
02:24And we'll play this audio later.
02:26You've got these owners that are trying to justify to the media why they kept their GMs.
02:33Like, the whole Pagula thing in Buffalo yesterday was fascinating.
02:37And Jimmy Haslam did the same thing with Andrew Barry like two weeks ago when they fired Stefanski but kept Andrew Barry.
02:43Remember, Jimmy Haslam did that long monologue at the beginning of the press conference where he's –
02:47well, he signed a kicker who was above average last year, and he signed Malik Collins.
02:52And this is why we keep this guy here.
02:56It's – there's some really interesting soap opera drama going on that I, as a Texan fan, I would normally be somewhat ambivalent towards,
03:04but it's just such good theater.
03:07The Bills press conference was – I've read three long-form articles about the Bills press conference already by people up in Buffalo
03:15about just how weird not it was, mostly because the owner just kept jumping in.
03:19Terry Pagula just kept jumping in.
03:20Bad call!
03:22Blamed – well, simultaneously blaming the officials for the loss in the divisional round
03:30because of the Brandon Cooks stripped catch.
03:33Yeah.
03:33But at the same time, also citing the loss is the reason that Sean McDermott was fired.
03:38Yes.
03:38So people are like, so what – so with a good call, then Sean McDermott still has his job?
03:45Well, I'm not getting into all that.
03:46Yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:48We'll get into it later.
03:49We've got all that audio.
03:50We'll do it later in the show.
03:52So Nick Casario met with the media yesterday, and we'll get into some of the stuff about the offense,
04:01about C.J. Stroud.
04:027 o'clock today, Seth and I are going to do – we're going to kind of go win probability style
04:06on C.J. getting an extension based on Nick Casario's answers yesterday about C.J., extensions,
04:13how he plays, turnovers.
04:15This is what I worried about is I was going through and kind of re-watching it yesterday.
04:18Man, I feel like depending on which clip they see of Nick Casario talking about C.J. Stroud,
04:26you could either think, oh, he's 100% getting an extension, or he's 100% going to get traded tomorrow.
04:34Casario was both, I think, appropriately critical of C.J. Stroud for his performance in the game,
04:40but multiple times also basically endorsed C.J.'s career so far and pointed out.
04:47And I think gave a loftier assessment of C.J. Stroud's season that he had than I think most people would.
04:53Yeah.
04:53And it was hard to say.
04:55At any given time, you might have thought, oh, yeah, they're definitely going to try to get rid of him.
05:00Or, wow, they love him.
05:01They're going to give him a 10-year contract.
05:03They're going to give him a baseball-style contract.
05:04It was very up and down.
05:06But in the end, which is a phrase Nick used about 15 times yesterday, in the end.
05:13The love you give.
05:14In the end, the love you take.
05:19I think he handled the whole C.J. topic pretty well.
05:22I think he was appropriately critical, and I think he was appropriately loyal to C.J. yesterday.
05:27But I don't know where to land on the whole field.
05:33There were really two things that stood out as far as the game itself.
05:39It was basically he was blaming the game on C.J. really multiple times.
05:45Casario said, A, it's the quarterback's number one job to mitigate risk.
05:50You can't turn the ball over.
05:52And then multiple times said, basically, you can't win a game when you turn the ball over four times.
05:56It's like you're just – that's – and, you know, so 80% of that is on C.J.
06:00Yes.
06:0020% is on Woody Marks.
06:01That's right.
06:02And then he also pointed to technique breakdowns in the secondary.
06:05Yeah.
06:06That each of those touchdown passes had guys playing with the wrong leverage.
06:09So, which is – that's what we were concerned about going into that game was breakdowns and coverage technique or blown coverages.
06:16So, like, beyond that, they're really – it's hard to judge one way or the other exactly how they feel about the sum total of C.J.
06:25and how much they might be – it might be more concerned that he let on yesterday about the fact that he had two bad playoff games in a row.
06:33Because Nick was only talking about the Patriots game.
06:35He didn't really talk about the Steelers game.
06:37No, you're right about that.
06:39Okay, so let's get into some of the Casario.
06:41This is basically the one – I would say the biggest news item to come from the Nick Casario press conference.
06:49You know, the one thing that's just not – it's not opinion.
06:51It's not – is that it looks like Nick Caley will be back for another year as the offensive coordinator.
06:56Yeah, I would anticipate Nick being here next year.
06:59You know, I think Nick learned a lot.
07:02You know, first opportunities to play a caller.
07:04I'd say offensively, probably the last two to three months of the year.
07:08Played pretty good football and did a lot of good things.
07:10There's always areas that we can improve and get better.
07:16And that's what – I mean, D'Amico mentioned the other day.
07:18This first – next couple weeks right after the season is kind of looking at everything.
07:22Go through, you know, the coaching staff.
07:24Go through other aspects of the staff.
07:26Is there anything that we have to do?
07:28All right, then we'll look at some things schematically.
07:29Start to go through the self-scout.
07:31Try to figure out, all right, what are some of the things that we did well?
07:33We know kind of where we are as a team.
07:35And I think sometimes when you're working on one side of the ball, you maybe see it through one lens.
07:40Sometimes when you're on the opposite side of the ball, you see it through a different lens.
07:43And I'd say the rapport amongst the staff is really good.
07:45So we can communicate honestly and openly with each other.
07:48So it says a lot.
07:49And honestly, it speaks to who D'Amico is.
07:50So that's what we're going through right now.
07:52So, yeah, I would anticipate Nick being here, you know, next year.
07:55And all of us are just trying to improve and do what we can to make the team and the organization better.
08:00I think we're on staff watch now on the offensive side.
08:03And, you know, when Nick says I would anticipate him being here, I was trying to read too much into that.
08:10You know, it's our job to read too much into things.
08:12Yep.
08:13He did go on to explain it at more length about how they do kind of an internal evaluation of each other.
08:20The defense looks at the offense.
08:21The offense looks at the defense.
08:22That was really interesting.
08:23That's the first time he's told that story.
08:25Well, you know, I told you about that company, Afterburner, yesterday that does, like, the former military people who consult with businesses.
08:31They call it red teaming, which is going back to the Cold War days.
08:35You have a red team that looks at your game plan or looks at your mission plan and kind of shoots holes in it.
08:43Oh, cool.
08:43Tries to figure out what's wrong and everything.
08:45So I think that's a little bit of retroactive red teaming there.
08:48Yeah.
08:48Which I like, but I also like the dynamic.
08:50What if he's like, I'll tell you what, Nick Caley was, Nick Caley really boxed this whole thing.
08:56He was horrendous.
08:57He shot you up full of holes.
08:58He went down in flames before he barely got off the runway.
09:01And it would be great if he did that, not so much for football reasons, because, like, Caley stole his low main out of the fridge in the coach's room or something like that.
09:09Yeah, he's just got a grudge against him.
09:10Yeah, yeah.
09:10First watching this offensive film with a sneer.
09:13Oh, I'm going to get him.
09:14I'm going to get him.
09:16So it looks like Caley will be back.
09:17How do you feel about that, Nick Caley being back for another year?
09:19I'm cool with it.
09:20I think he did show growth.
09:22I thought, I mean, Nick's assessment of the offense, I thought, was a little more positive.
09:30Yeah, generous is the right word, I think.
09:32Like, you know, at one point, Jonathan, I think it was Jonathan Alexander was saying, you know, the offense didn't make huge improvements.
09:39And Nick got a little testing and said, you know, wins are the only thing that matters.
09:43And I'm like, yeah, but there's things that go into it.
09:47I mean, like Nick spoke at length about turnovers.
09:50Okay, let's talk about turnovers in the Steelers game or any other.
09:53If wins are the only thing that matters, then C.J. Stroud should get a big contract extension this offseason.
09:58And I'm being serious right now.
10:00If wins are the only thing that matters, then C.J. Stroud should get a big contract extension.
10:05He's won more games his first three seasons as an NFL quarterback than practically every other quarterback in the history of the game.
10:12Yeah.
10:13I know you're being serious.
10:14You seem, no, no, I'm not being, like, I'm just using, no, I'm not saying C.J.
10:19You're not saying that.
10:20I'm not saying give C.J. an extension.
10:22I'm saying logic dictates.
10:24If you're Nick and you're just evaluating the offense based on wins, which he did in an answer yesterday, like you just said.
10:32Logic states that's all that matters, then you should go ahead and pay C.J. Stroud.
10:35He was the quarterback for all those wins.
10:37If the offense being good is dictated by the number of games that you won, not the number of touchdowns that you're scoring,
10:44then C.J. Stroud should get an extension.
10:47I'm not saying I would give him one.
10:49I'm saying the logic dictates that.
10:51And I'm saying I disagree with Nick that the wins are the most important thing.
10:54That's what I'm saying.
10:55I think he was generous with the offense yesterday.
10:57Yeah.
10:58So, yeah.
10:59I don't know.
10:59And honestly, if you're evaluating the quarterback, and Nick's not going to get up there and just, you know, completely throw C.J. under the bus or anything.
11:08But he did, I mean, he made multiple points about how ball security is the only thing that matters.
11:16The offense was really good this year in terms of not turning the ball over.
11:20They were.
11:20But the different performance in the playoffs, and not just one game, but in the playoffs, and how sloppy C.J. was with the football,
11:28when you combine that with the fact that he was notably and verified by statistics skittish after his concussion,
11:36I don't, that's a big, that's a big hurdle.
11:40That's not something like, oh, that kid needs a haircut or something, and then I'll like him.
11:45That's a, that's a, is this a potential barrier and something that should prevent me from giving somebody $250 million?
11:54Right.
11:55That's a big deal.
11:56Right.
11:56And I don't think you can, I don't think C.J. can answer that question until he gets out and plays a few games next year.
12:01Yep.
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