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Rico Bosco | Barstool Pick Em
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00:00Yeah, we got to get a new piece of paper. That's all. I know Dave's got a million things on.
00:03Do you decide what we're at, Dave? Did you ever reach out to him?
00:08No.
00:09That was the... You're supposed to call?
00:12He never reached out.
00:13Yeah, remember? Dave said, he's like, if you don't call, I'm not going to do anything.
00:17Correct. And I didn't do anything.
00:19Are you going to call him or text him after this?
00:22Yeah, I'll pick up the phone quickly. I mean, this is kind of basically the same...
00:25Yeah, it's kind of the same thing.
00:27So, if I were you, I would send a text at the very least being like, here's 4%. Here's the number. I'm hoping to get this.
00:35Maybe I'll tell you yourself. Maybe I'll say, you know, I'm in the giving mood for the new season. I don't know. But I would follow up.
00:41You wanted to be winding down by Dave. You wanted Dave to reach out to you.
00:48I want to pick forever in a room full of TVs.
00:54I want to pick my card. I want to wishy winners for you and me.
01:02I want to jump right in your hole and catch up everywhere.
01:05When you say gut it, that means I don't gut it at all.
01:09I want to pick with anybody anytime, anywhere.
01:16Hiccup! Hiccup! Hiccup! Hiccup! Hiccup! Hiccup!
01:20I'll do it all day. Hiccup!
01:21All right, here we go.
01:23Three, two, one.
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02:04What's up, boys?
02:05How we doing?
02:05Bowl season.
02:06We're finales coming.
02:08How we feeling?
02:09Let's start with you, Bosco.
02:10How are the holidays?
02:12How's everything going?
02:13I like your best.
02:15What do we got?
02:15What kind of feed, Bosco?
02:16Yeah, he's so far away.
02:18No, I mean, he's just not on the screen at all.
02:21Oh, yeah.
02:22You might have it.
02:23Dave's Zoom might be set where it's only speaker.
02:25Can you see me now?
02:26Nope.
02:28Do the grid view, maybe?
02:32Oh, maybe.
02:34Yeah, let's see.
02:34All right, I got it now.
02:35But now I got extra people on it, but that's fine.
02:37What are you, what's up with the, what's up with the vest?
02:41Is that, no, is that a sweater vest?
02:44No, it's a one, it's a one piece, but it's, it's the way it's cut.
02:49Looks like a vest.
02:50Yeah, it's a one piece.
02:51That's all fabric.
02:52Got it.
02:52What is it for Oral Roberts?
02:53I kind of like Oral Roberts.
02:55Yeah.
02:55Okay.
02:56Okay.
02:56How, how, how were the holidays?
02:58How's everything?
02:59Good.
03:00Yeah, good.
03:01You know, chaotic, but good.
03:02Okay.
03:04Everything's good with, with everything?
03:05Uh, yeah.
03:10Yeah.
03:11Yeah.
03:11What was that pause?
03:12I'm being, I'm being, I don't know.
03:14I don't have anything planned, Bosco.
03:16I'm not, there's no, I got nothing planned.
03:17No, we, yeah.
03:19Uh, yeah, we got to get a new piece of paper.
03:22That's all.
03:22I know.
03:23I mean, Dave's got a million things on.
03:24Do you decide what we're at, Dave, or?
03:28No.
03:30Okay.
03:31Did you ever reach out to him?
03:33No.
03:34That was the, you're supposed to call?
03:37He never reached out.
03:38Yeah.
03:39Remember he, Dave said, he's like, if you don't call, I'm not going to do anything.
03:42Correct.
03:43And I didn't do anything.
03:47All right.
03:48I also respected you were pretty busy.
03:50And then.
03:50No, it was actually like, I haven't traveled since mid December.
03:56It's actually the slow, because I know you forget generally, like I don't celebrate Christmas.
04:01So it was a very, it's the first time I could relax in a bit.
04:06Now I'm back in the grind.
04:07Like I'm traveling.
04:09Uh, I, are you going to, is there's birthday party?
04:12No, I can't make it.
04:15Why?
04:15Why?
04:16What do you got?
04:17We couldn't swing that weekend.
04:19And then we have a wet, as it turns out, my wife has two girls who are having an engagement
04:24party and you're going to an engagement party for the one night.
04:29Yeah.
04:29We couldn't get my people to watch my roommates for three straight nights.
04:33So yeah, there was, it's heartbreaking, but we couldn't make it work.
04:37Isn't that the birthday party you said you were going to destroy?
04:40Yes.
04:40Yes.
04:40In a, in a fit of rage as a joke.
04:42Yes.
04:43Yes.
04:43So is that, is it partially like you don't want to be seen there?
04:46No.
04:46Cause like when the sprinklers come on at the.
04:49So it's say it again.
04:51Why can't you go?
04:53It's difficult to get somebody to watch your roommates for three straight days.
04:57And that's code for babysitter.
05:00A little bit.
05:00Yeah.
05:01So you can't get a babysitter for what?
05:04It would be leaving on Friday back Monday.
05:07I mean, it's over the weekend reached out a couple of months ago.
05:10The people that usually help us out, they got stuff going on.
05:13Surgery.
05:13Two months to find a babysitter.
05:15Couldn't do it.
05:16Couldn't make it work.
05:17Yeah.
05:17No, you listen, you can't go to everything.
05:19You can't go to everything.
05:19Like what do you, it's, this is leisure.
05:21Like you can't go to everything.
05:22Yeah.
05:22I would like to go.
05:23You can't go to everything.
05:24I think I'm not, I'm going to be out then because I was feeling guilty and I have so much
05:30going on.
05:31And I don't want to go, but I know he really wants people to go.
05:34I thought it's like, Oh, boss is going.
05:35I may not go.
05:36No one's going.
05:37Well, Dave, you got to also like, if boss was not going, like I said, there might be
05:41some, some malfeasance plan.
05:43No, there's no malfeasance.
05:44Hold on.
05:45Getting back to the thing.
05:46I read, I read the whole receipt and there was basically like, all right, whatever you
05:53decide, like, where, Hank, are you going to, is there his birthday?
05:58No.
05:58Oh, okay.
05:59So yeah.
06:00No one's going.
06:01I, I, I cannot go.
06:03And then you were like, all right.
06:05I don't know.
06:05He's guilting me like something fierce.
06:08Guy's throwing.
06:09It's like, I just read that, uh, Tiger Woods is throwing like a, we're here.
06:13Tiger Woods throwing like a party at the breakers.
06:15A 300 person party with a, who throws themselves, who, what men throw themselves birthday parties
06:20like sweet 16 parties for yourselves.
06:23I've never heard of it.
06:24Uh, go ahead, Hank.
06:25I know what you're going to say.
06:26DP40.
06:28That wasn't me.
06:30That was Gaz and Lewis.
06:32True.
06:32I was the last one who wanted to do that.
06:34That was a paid sponsored event.
06:38Fair.
06:39All right.
06:40So Rico, what, what, what's the issue here?
06:42No, there's no issue.
06:43It's just, I read out the receipt and was basically like, Hey, I don't have a number.
06:46Like you're fair.
06:47You're back to your contract.
06:49Dave said, whatever you don't call me, I'm not going to care.
06:53I'm not going to do anything.
06:54Okay.
06:54All right.
06:55I've said this a million times.
06:57I've absolutely no fear of you going somewhere else.
07:00You can't go anywhere else.
07:03You're I'm never going to fire you.
07:05So I don't understand what, what is what?
07:10Is there a new number for 2026?
07:12That's what I'm asking.
07:13Well, I, I, I think you had to propose, so I'd be like, no way, but like, you're already
07:20making a lot.
07:21Well, this is deja vu.
07:22We're going around the same thing.
07:24What's your number?
07:24You haven't given it to me.
07:30I'd say 4%.
07:32Okay.
07:33So I could do the math on them.
07:35Right.
07:36That, I mean, that's, that's, that's as simple as where we were.
07:38Like it was not.
07:39Yeah, but you never followed up.
07:41Agreed.
07:41All right.
07:41That's, that's fair.
07:43But yeah, it was a miscommunication of how we kind of left it off.
07:46But I don't think anyone was miscommunicated.
07:49I have no interest in chasing down all the people on month to month contracts to, to like, to, to deal with them.
07:59I mean, year to year contracts.
08:02Oh, okay.
08:02Yeah.
08:03What?
08:03Not month to month, year to year.
08:04Okay.
08:05That was my question.
08:07Yeah.
08:07It's a pain in the ass.
08:08I actually have to talk to you, Dave, sometime this week, but I'm, I'm waiting to collect all of the things at once.
08:14So I don't have to.
08:16It's a pain.
08:17I just ignore it.
08:17You call me, I deal with it.
08:19Yeah.
08:19And I didn't want to call you like four times and be like, oh, this person, then this person.
08:23Listen, the people in that category, the hard truth are people that I have zero fear that they're leaving.
08:30They're lifers.
08:31So it's like, if you're not a lifer, obviously we pay a lot of attention to the contracts because they're, they're, they're out there.
08:41They're trying to get deals.
08:42They're getting other offers.
08:43We have what I call the circus, which are lifers and I, they're never going anywhere.
08:49And that's great, but I'm not laying up at night on new year's Eve, watching the Dick Clark show, waiting for the ball to drop.
08:57And like, oh, I got to redo Bosco's contract.
08:59I'm going to wake up.
09:00He's going to be at fucking bleacher report.
09:02Nobody about that.
09:03Agreed.
09:04And nobody said that nobody, but there, yeah, there's a formality to it.
09:08All right.
09:08It's the new year.
09:09Like, yeah, you're not, but, but why you Dan's right.
09:13I said, I think I verbatim, I'm like, I'm not reaching out to you.
09:16If you reach out to me, I'll have the conversation.
09:17Yeah.
09:18I'm not going to hang up on you, but you didn't reach out to me.
09:20All right, cool.
09:21I respect it.
09:21That's again, that's my apologies.
09:23My miscommunication, my screw up.
09:25But I also knew again, like, it wasn't going to bother you over the thing.
09:28I said what I was going to said.
09:29It was never going to be a back and forth.
09:30I don't believe that part of it.
09:33Like that you care about bothering me over what thing?
09:37Like over the holiday break?
09:39No, I don't believe that.
09:41You would have just, you knew he wasn't doing anything for the.
09:44It is.
09:45He's mentioned how it's a point of contention doing all these contracts.
09:48Like, yeah.
09:49There was like 15 days of holidays.
09:51You thinking that.
09:52All right.
09:53All right.
09:53I, if he doesn't believe it, that's fine.
09:56That's what I was.
09:57I just wasn't.
09:58So what, so what are you going to do?
10:00Are you going to actually, are you going to, are you going to call him or text him after
10:03this?
10:04Yeah.
10:04I'll pick up the phone quickly.
10:05I mean, this is kind of the, basically the same.
10:07Yeah.
10:07It's the same.
10:08It's kind of the same thing.
10:09It's basically that's it.
10:10Yeah.
10:10But like, this is, this is pick them.
10:12So I would, if I were you, I would send a text at the very least being like, here's 4%.
10:18Here's the number.
10:19I'm hoping to get this.
10:20Maybe I'll tell you, go fuck yourself.
10:22Maybe I'll say, you know, I'm in, I'm in the giving mood for the new season.
10:25I don't know.
10:26But I would follow up.
10:27I think you're, I think you're so into, you know, cosplaying as a basketball coach.
10:33You wanted to be recruited.
10:35You wanted to be winding down by Dave.
10:36You wanted Dave to reach out to you.
10:37I'm always going to be a victim of my sins.
10:41I think I've turned the corner.
10:42I think I've changed my ways.
10:43You're not a victim of your sins.
10:44That also had nothing to do with what I was saying.
10:46You just went into like, repeat mode there.
10:48Yeah.
10:48You're not a victim of your sins.
10:50You're, you're, you're, you're not.
10:52You just went into autopilot.
10:56I don't follow.
10:57Well, you're not being treated any differently than anybody else.
11:00Yeah.
11:00And I was making a joke that you wanted Dave to like, pick up the phone and call you.
11:05And then you just started going, I'll be a victim of my sins.
11:07What I did in the past, I can't do that.
11:08What I did with big T, what I did.
11:10I wasn't talking about any of that.
11:11I was just saying.
11:13Because back in the day, I used to do that.
11:15Like when, as soon as it ended, I'd be flipping out.
11:17Like, oh, I'm fucking afraid.
11:18Yeah.
11:18But you're not getting treated any differently.
11:20So you're not a victim of your, you're not being paid.
11:22Like you're not being punished for being a psychopath who tried to commit murder a couple of times.
11:27No, my point is when he says, oh, you want to be recruited.
11:30That's a victim of my sins in the past of things I used to do when I was a difficult pain in the ass and this and that, which I've definitely tried to shed, trying to shed that shit.
11:38But I also think you did want to be recruited a little.
11:40Okay.
11:41Well, that's your opinion, Dan.
11:42Well, I mean, it was so clear that all you had to do is text or call Dave in the last three weeks.
11:48Okay.
11:49So I screwed up there.
11:50It's okay.
11:51Not my first, not my last.
11:54True.
11:56What's up, Hank?
11:57What are you saying?
11:58Okay.
12:00What else we got before we do the final two games?
12:03Speaking of which, speaking of guys who are never going to go anywhere, have you been following any of this Mincy stuff?
12:08It's quite something watching him move through the world.
12:12Yeah.
12:12Yeah.
12:13I don't know where he's at.
12:14Was he staying with Biz now?
12:15He's staying one night with Riggs and one night with Biz.
12:18That's crazy.
12:19Why is he doing it that way?
12:20This Zoom call.
12:22What happened?
12:23It flipped because, like, a call came in on my phone.
12:28Now you're upside down.
12:29You got to go do not disturb mode.
12:34Thought it was.
12:35No, Dave, what happened was Riggs reached out to Mincy and offered him to stay with him.
12:43And then, oh, we lost him.
12:46No, I'm here.
12:46I'm trying to get into do not disturb mode.
12:49But I think when I do that, I'm going to lose you guys for a brief minute.
12:52Oh, go to maybe go to sleep.
12:55Yeah.
12:55Sleep is it.
12:57That's what I do.
12:58But now it's like it's a little bit off.
13:01You keep swiping yourself out.
13:03Yeah.
13:04All right.
13:05I was going to go with it.
13:08Riggs called Mincy and was like, hey, you can stay at my house.
13:10And then Wanton Don called Biz as a joke being like, hey, Mincy needs a place to stay.
13:17And then Mincy saw Biz's backyard and was like, oh, I want to stay at Biz's.
13:21So now he's splitting it up one day at both places.
13:26Yeah.
13:27It's crazy.
13:29Barstool Scottsdale.
13:31Yeah.
13:31He's doing an event there, right?
13:33Did you see?
13:33Yeah.
13:33He came.
13:34He came in because because he I've told him I told him from the beginning of this entire
13:39thing.
13:39I was like, not one dime of Barstool's money is going to pay for any of what this trip
13:45is for you.
13:45I was like, we're going to we're going to pay for Tate's flight there and back.
13:50And not a single dime is going towards the Mincy fund.
13:54And he still will try to figure out ways.
13:57So he came in on on Sunday for the stream and was like, hey, did you hear about the party
14:02we're doing at Barstool Scottsdale?
14:03I said, Mincy, stop right now.
14:04I know what you're doing.
14:05You're trying to get me to pay for this.
14:06And then like like the next day he was like, what if Lucas comes in, videotapes Tate for
14:14Barstool after dark?
14:15And I was like, I know what you're doing, Mincy.
14:17He has this little smirk every time because he comes up with these ideas.
14:20Well, I just hope he's not self-aware.
14:22That's my that.
14:24And I don't think he is.
14:25But like, I don't think he is either.
14:27And also, I had I had Tate and Viva La Stool block Mincy on Twitter.
14:33So he can't see the tweets that Tate's putting up.
14:36Yeah, he can't see the tweets.
14:39I do not think he's self-aware at all the way he talks.
14:42Maybe like a tiny bit.
14:43What do you think, Hank?
14:44He's got to be seeing these tweets a little bit.
14:47But like for the most part, this is how he moves.
14:50I know that's true.
14:52Like him talking on the phone.
14:53He spends all day on the phone like he had.
14:57He's been offered.
14:58I don't know, like 100 tickets to this game.
15:01And he keeps like wheeling and dealing like someone offered him free tickets up top.
15:04He's like, no, I don't want those.
15:06I'll find better than like.
15:07So I don't.
15:08I think this is how he operates.
15:10He also rarely gets the tickets.
15:11Yeah.
15:12Yeah.
15:13What do you mean?
15:14I love Mincy.
15:19We're, we're, we're pals.
15:21He loves widespread panic.
15:22I went to a show with him in New York.
15:24A bunch of us did.
15:25Uh, kind of fan.
15:27Not really.
15:28Couldn't, couldn't care too much.
15:30Last year, he talked about widespread panic coming in June, probably for eight months.
15:35Like he would just come up to me and talk to me about this concert.
15:38We got to go.
15:38I'm like, sure, sure, sure.
15:39When it comes up, we'll go when it came up, I had friends in town.
15:43I was like, Hey, can you get us those tickets?
15:46He's like, yeah, no problem.
15:47Could just could not, could not get the tickets.
15:49Oh yeah.
15:51I mean, I feel like that happens where it's like, he talks about stuff so much for so long
15:55and he's so sure about it.
15:56You're like, Oh, the tickets are a sure thing.
15:59I don't know.
16:00But they're just not.
16:01And you, like, you think Mitzi's getting free tickets to anything to give?
16:05Like, none of it takes a chance.
16:06He talked to me about the show for eight months.
16:09Like, he would just come up to me in February.
16:11I don't know.
16:12Oh yeah.
16:12I also get it.
16:13I know the drummer.
16:14I know the manager.
16:15Like, they're going to come to the office.
16:16It's going to be great.
16:18Awesome.
16:18Like, I also, like, Mitzi doesn't make nothing.
16:23Like, Hank's rich.
16:24Like, well, we'll get a bunch of broke.
16:25Just buy tickets.
16:26We'll get a game time.
16:27Like, I don't understand this ticket thing at all.
16:30Well, I mean, I told Mitzi, I was like, dude, you make money.
16:34You could get a hotel.
16:35And he's like, well, I got Mexico coming up and all this stuff.
16:37Did you see, though, the reason why I don't think he's not, he's, he is not self-aware yet.
16:42Did you see the text of him?
16:45Like, he immediately, the minute he was, got biz in the mix, he started texting people for tickets and throwing biz his name around.
16:51Yeah, that, yes, I did see that.
16:53That's the most, like, Mitzi thing possible.
16:56But it's quite something.
16:57We'll see how it goes.
16:58Bosco, are you coming, are you coming for, for streams?
17:03Are you doing any streams with us?
17:05Championship weekend, for sure.
17:06Okay, great.
17:07Okay, great.
17:08And are you, how's house call going?
17:10Great.
17:11PFT today, later today.
17:13Am I on next week?
17:16Yeah.
17:17We, oh, okay, never mind.
17:18No, no, no.
17:19I mean, we're bad.
17:19We're very bad with planning.
17:21I request, I asked to go on.
17:23Yeah, we're very, no, you're in.
17:25You're very, we're very bad with planning with guests.
17:28We want to get coach.
17:30Obviously, he's got something going on this week.
17:31So, with a couple left, yeah.
17:33Who's coach?
17:34Coach Gruden.
17:35All right, so I'm out.
17:35I'm out.
17:36No, you're not out.
17:37You're not out.
17:38You're not out.
17:39It's fine.
17:40You're not out.
17:40We're very bad planning the guests.
17:42Yeah, if you want to do next week, you're in for divisionals.
17:44That's great.
17:45Sets us up, actually.
17:46Hooks us up.
17:47That's perfect.
17:48How do you feel about the NFL, Dave, going into the playoffs?
17:52I think we can win the Super Bowl.
17:54I think we can be done on Sunday.
17:56I think it's wide open.
17:58There's no quarterback I'd rather have than our guy.
18:02So, I'm excited.
18:04I'm excited.
18:05I'm nervous.
18:06I think anybody can come out of the AFC.
18:09I think anyone can win the Super Bowl.
18:11I'm very excited.
18:12It's crazy how wide open it is.
18:13I hate the Monday night game.
18:15Hate it.
18:15Hate it.
18:16I agree with you, too.
18:16I agree with you.
18:17Why?
18:17The playoffs should be done on Sunday.
18:20Wrap it.
18:20You lose a day.
18:21You lose a day.
18:22Yeah, I don't like it.
18:22I like it.
18:24I'm thinking about going on Saturday night with Eddie.
18:28I'm just gearing up for a torture show.
18:30What do you think of what I said?
18:31I said the whole season's a loss if you guys lose.
18:34I said that on Wake Up Barstool, it kind of went viral a little bit with people discussing
18:38whether the whole season is a bust if you lose to the Packers.
18:43The whole season is not a bust.
18:45It's the way you look at the season is tainted.
18:48That's what I've said from the beginning.
18:50I'm like, it's not because this is a year too early.
18:53Like, everything's on the rise.
18:54Ben Johnson killed.
18:55Williams has been great.
18:56So it's like, the way I would explain it is you, if, if my outlook for the future will
19:03not change, but I will look back at this season and be like, well, fuck, that was nothing.
19:08Nothing changed in this season.
19:09I said it was like the, um, to a lesser extent, the guardians tigers, when the guardians caught
19:14the tigers this year and won the central, then immediately lost them in the playoffs, you
19:20can't go around being like, remember when we fucking came back and won this, you lost
19:24them in the playoffs.
19:24Yeah.
19:25But I, to me, that's none of it.
19:26It's just a rivalry.
19:27The Packers like guardians, tigers who fucking care.
19:30No, I'm saying like, you can't say you can't, if you lose to your, to, to, to your division
19:34rival in the playoffs, you can't be like, well, we won the North.
19:37Yeah.
19:38But it's, I, Oh, see, I think outside of this, I think you almost can't, but it's, it's, it's
19:43this is such a bitter rivalry.
19:45I agree with that too.
19:46If you got, if you had this great of a season, you win the North, you do what you did.
19:50Williams takes a step up and you lose to anybody else.
19:52Yeah.
19:52You'd be like, that sucks.
19:54We lost in the wild card, but like, all right, good things to build on.
19:58Like, we'll see how it goes.
19:59You lose to the Packers.
20:00It's like, Oh, mother fuck.
20:01It changes the whole.
20:02No, the shape of it.
20:03Yeah.
20:03It's, it's basically the difference between like, Oh, the tides have actually shifted.
20:08Like the bears are actually taking, they won the North and they beat the Packers or it's,
20:12Oh, it's the same as it's the Packers aren't like some old team on the down where it's like,
20:18Oh, they're coming down.
20:19And it's the last year.
20:20You're both young up and coming teams in college football back.
20:23The Desmond, uh, DeMond Williams thing.
20:26Yeah.
20:27I, I have no problem with what he's doing.
20:29None.
20:29Like I, I, it's a scumbag move to sign four days.
20:32And then Lane Kiffin, who's a scumbag signs you and Sam Levitt's there.
20:37And you announced during a funeral of another athlete.
20:40Yeah.
20:40Not the best optics, but the world college football is in NIL.
20:44Well, the difference between four and 6 million is a shit ton of money.
20:47That's like a huge gap for a kid, your family, whatever, nobody's loyal to anybody.
20:53There's no loyalty in this sport right now at all.
20:56I don't know that really ever, ever has been, but the NCAA created this mess.
21:01Eventually they're going to have to fix it.
21:03Um, but I like people trashing him.
21:06Uh, if you're not in his shoes, like this is the, it is a rock, rough, dirty, gross sport right now.
21:15And nobody should be held to higher standards.
21:17If you four to 6 million, that's not 4.1 million.
21:20That's a fucking shit ton difference.
21:23So, Hey, I'm never going to begrudge a kid for doing that.
21:26Like it sucks the world.
21:29Eventually schools are going to have to step up and maybe they do.
21:31Like you can't force the kid to play at Washington.
21:34You may be able to be like, you signed a contract.
21:37You can't leave.
21:37I'm not sure.
21:38And you're going to sit out.
21:39Like that's what would happen in pro sports, but I don't like, there's no loyalty.
21:44So I don't get why anyone thinks suddenly there is loyalty.
21:47It's crazy.
21:48Well, let me ask you this though.
21:49Have you seen what's going on in Oregon?
21:50This kid, Jaden Lamar's running back is transferring.
21:53He just announced days before the semifinal Oregon's running back room is decimated.
21:59This kid had a cut.
22:00He had the longest reception.
22:01I think last week with Texas tech, he can play a little bit.
22:04They're down to two running backs.
22:05Maybe three was Jeff Schwartz was, was tweeting.
22:08And the price, first off, you're on the cusp of a national championship.
22:13Like the calendar is fucked up.
22:15The kid shouldn't leave because you're on the cusp of a national championship.
22:17I mean, Lane Giffen.
22:20Agreed.
22:21Yeah.
22:21Well, you are last year.
22:23He's fucked up too.
22:24But this kid, my point is this.
22:26Yeah.
22:26It's days before a national championship.
22:28That's like, what more do you want out of college?
22:29But money changes everything.
22:31But also this, if the, if the room is so decimated, he's going to get carries.
22:36He could play a little bit.
22:38You can showcase yourself in a final four.
22:40Which he's going to do.
22:41What he's going to do is get money out of it.
22:42And potentially a championship.
22:43Yeah.
22:43But Dan, the price would go up.
22:45He's going to get carried.
22:46No, he should say.
22:47Like have confidence in yourself.
22:48There's no better time to showcase yourself.
22:51No, he, he should.
22:52What I bet you he's probably doing and having a conversation right now is just pay me for
22:57these next two games.
22:57And I'll stay, I'll stay on the team for the next two games.
23:00Honestly, I don't know where we're getting to the point.
23:04What would prevent the kid from just transferring week to week the way we're going?
23:09Like, what is to stop somebody like, Hey, my quarterback went down, got hurt.
23:14I'm going to go pluck a different one.
23:15What is the difference?
23:16If a kid can do what DeMond Williams is doing, right?
23:20Which he signed the thing and he's like, Oh, I got a better offer.
23:23What would stop someone mid season from just being like, see ya.
23:26They just offered me.
23:27I don't know that there's any difference.
23:29No, they do make you sit.
23:32You can't.
23:32No, they don't know.
23:33Oh, they don't make you sit in seat.
23:35They don't, you can't play in season.
23:37You're saying that part.
23:38I think it's Dave.
23:40No, you have to, you have to actually enroll in the school, which is stupid.
23:43You can't just go.
23:44Why can't they do that quickly?
23:45I don't know.
23:46I, I think you have to enroll in the school at a certain time.
23:49I mean, it's all stupid, but it, but you're right.
23:51Like there are, it does feel like we're getting to a point where you could, everyone's so scared
23:56of a lawsuit that it doesn't, it doesn't feel like anything that matters.
23:59I, uh, and then you're going to get people.
24:02You're going to be like, Oh, Washington, you're suing this kid.
24:04He's a kid, a teenager.
24:05You're not letting them play.
24:07So I don't know, but the whole thing's fucked and it's all the NCAA's fault.
24:10But I, listen, I, some people may not do it.
24:14Some people, some kids may not be like, Oh, I'll stay for four.
24:19Even though I got offered six.
24:20I bet most would go.
24:22That's a huge fucking difference.
24:23And you have people like that kid, the Kentucky, Nebraska kid, people were killing the Nebraska
24:28kid.
24:28He didn't even sign.
24:29He just said he was going to go.
24:30And then he went to Kentucky.
24:31It's like, okay, he didn't sign.
24:33Who the fuck cares?
24:34It's a dirty game.
24:36The calendar is fucked too.
24:37Cause now you got Indiana, Miami, Ole Miss and Oregon, a little bit penalized for getting
24:43this far that the transfer portal starts.
24:46They're supposed to be trying to win them.
24:48No, that's, that's that it's opposite.
24:52No, I mean, I'm just being honest, Rico, like Indiana, you think Indiana is not killing it
24:57in the transfer portal because they can basically, they, and they can basically say, look, we're
25:01in the fucking, we just, we just housed Bama.
25:04Yeah.
25:04That's one way to look at it.
25:05I agree.
25:06I do think it's still fucked up.
25:07There's still games going on.
25:08These guys are supposed to be reviewing film working for the, and the clock.
25:12Well, there's different people doing my, my main point to this was you can't single out
25:17anybody in this era from Lane Kiffin to this DeMond Williams and it dirty.
25:23It's all dirty.
25:24Nobody's dirty in a weird way.
25:26The dirt is upfront.
25:28It's pretty clear.
25:29Whoever pays the most gets it.
25:31There's no loyalty.
25:32And honestly, like a lot of these kids who fucking knows what their future is like, go
25:38get as much money as you can.
25:39Yeah.
25:41It is.
25:41It is the wild, wild west.
25:43College basketball is in a fucking shit show too.
25:44We got guys playing NBA games or in drafts.
25:47No, no one's played NBA games.
25:49They were in summer leagues.
25:50They got drafted.
25:51The whole thing is a fucking disaster.
25:53I got one quick question for Rico.
25:55Yeah.
25:56Is the, is the Minnesota daycare kid a rider Rico?
26:00Uh, I know he did.
26:02Yeah.
26:02Potentially.
26:03Like, yeah, he's got to do Lord.
26:05I saw that.
26:06Wait, what happened?
26:07Unbelievable.
26:07You can see this.
26:09Dan, the kid who, the kid who broke like Nick Shirley, the kid who broke,
26:14the, or has been credited with like exposing the Minnesota Somalia, like healthcare, the
26:20daycare scam.
26:21He also ran a scam on to do and made the dude think he was auditioning for an Italian
26:27movie with Jerry and Marty mush.
26:31And they were like, had to do thinking he was auditioning for a part.
26:35Like good fellas.
26:36Oh my God.
26:37I kind of vaguely remember this now.
26:39There's like a zoom call.
26:40He's having to do go through the lines.
26:42Yes.
26:42So he's a little bit of a step.
26:44He's a rider by proxy.
26:45Sure.
26:46I love that.
26:47Yeah.
26:47I love that.
26:48I got a rider now on my hands.
26:50Huh?
26:50This Detmer guy is a rider.
26:54Who?
26:55Yeah.
26:56I wasn't going to out.
26:56The Michigan QB coach.
26:58I wasn't going to out.
26:58Like, I wasn't going to out my guys.
27:00Yeah.
27:00He got in touch with you.
27:02Well, I knew it from the last time when we were at Colorado.
27:05I mean, Utah.
27:07Yeah.
27:08What?
27:08He reached out to you directly?
27:09No, I just, but somebody got somebody's number.
27:16You got Whittingham's cell phone number.
27:20And when I asked, how did you get this number?
27:25A rider gave you that number.
27:29Listen, this thing works in mysterious ways.
27:32Yeah.
27:32I wonder if Whittingham knows that he's got a mole on his staff.
27:36I didn't even want that cell phone number.
27:38Whatever.
27:39Whatever.
27:40What do you think of the coach?
27:41Good hire.
27:42Whittingham?
27:42It's great.
27:43Wouldn't be happier.
27:44Unbelievable hire.
27:45I couldn't, I didn't expect it at all.
27:47Did you expect that at all?
27:49I mean, I didn't, once he left, you heard his name come up a little bit.
27:54I don't know how long they knew they had him.
27:57He said it was pretty quick from after when he left Utah.
28:00But, no, a lot of their guys are not coming back and they got a great coach.
28:04So, I'm excited.
28:05We're in great, for all the shit going on, Michigan's in great shape.
28:09Yeah, they, the Ohio State fans were mad at me, Dave, because I actually don't know if you used, did you even use this?
28:16No, I saw it.
28:17I think Michigan broke Ohio State again.
28:19It is true.
28:20They put all their marbles in their team and then they lose their next two.
28:24It sucks that I had to, like, I had, but, like, I just, it popped in my head and I was like, there is a kernel of truth in the fact that Ryan Day put so much into this game that the minute he won it, he was just like.
28:35Yeah, they took their gas off the, their foot off the pedal.
28:38I also am lobbying for there to be an asterisk next to that game.
28:41I don't even think it should count.
28:42You can't win a football game, and I didn't realize it going in, what was going on with the Michigan head coach.
28:48Like, you, that, you have no chance when he's, he's, like, an inch away from being in a straitjacket.
28:57I mean, he's fucking the assistant, it's falling apart, he's holding butter knives.
29:02Oh, we weren't focused for a game?
29:04You think?
29:04We didn't have coaching?
29:05So, I, great.
29:06Ryan Day beat Michigan when we had no head coach, no plan, no nothing.
29:10Total disarray.
29:12Like, I, Ohio State's a joke.
29:14That's what they are.
29:15I said that was my other angle is that Ryan Day, like, imagine being like, I spent all this time trying to beat this guy and I lost to him last year.
29:23And then it comes to find out that he's just been coaching with, like, a boner the whole time.
29:27Yeah.
29:28Like, that's got to fuck you up a little bit.
29:30The whole team was in turmoil.
29:32Well, they may never win again.
29:34And the Ohio State, such Ohio State, that, that, uh, D and he's like, we, we know what happens.
29:39We play them a hundred times.
29:41We win 99 in Miami.
29:43They're just losers.
29:44They're, and he gets outcoached every big game.
29:47Every big.
29:47I was, that was, that was, that one was shocking.
29:50I thought the, uh, I, the Indiana Bama Rose Bowl was one of those moments where I did put a lot of money on it.
29:55And I wish I had just put like, I wish I had put everything, like everything we have responsibly because I was so confident going into that game.
30:03And when I talked to you, though, you said you were going to maybe double it down on Georgia.
30:06Did you do that?
30:07I split, uh, half on Georgia, half on over.
30:11So I, I basically washed out on that one all fucking year.
30:14I was like, Georgia sucks.
30:15And then I fucking hit them big.
30:16They, they, they tricked me.
30:18Now, I don't know if they were a victim of the break.
30:21The only team that came out was Indiana.
30:24Georgia looked like they hadn't played in a couple of weeks.
30:27But no, that's not true, though.
30:29They, they were winning at half.
30:30They're up nine and half.
30:32Yeah.
30:33Yeah.
30:34They just, they just made mistakes at the end.
30:36Like not running the ball on goal line, having that, that blitz that, you know, uh, man coverage on the outside with, with Chambliss.
30:44Like they just had crazy and, you know, Frazier gets hurt.
30:48So that obviously changes it.
30:49They can't run the ball as well.
30:50But I just feel like they just had, and Chambliss is just insane.
30:54He's just playing out of his mind.
30:55He's like, he's impossible to bring down.
30:57Some of those plays are nuts.
30:59All right.
30:59That'll be interesting to see because Miami is going to get pressure instantly.
31:06And it's just whether you can run around like you did the other game.
31:09I like, I was more impressed with, uh, room Bane than I was with anybody.
31:14Like I've watched all season.
31:15I agree.
31:16But the other thing was like when Ohio state started going tempo, they did start to get a little gas and you know, this is going to do that all game.
31:23So it's a, it's fascinating match, right?
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32:03All right, let's talk about the game.
32:04By the way, uh, Pat Hill standings.
32:06Looks like I'm going to win.
32:07I'm up, uh, 51.3% today's 50.5%.
32:12Rico, your comeback effort fell short.
32:15You ended with 45%.
32:16Bob Diaco standings, you and Ivo are tied.
32:20So I think you guys have to, you guys both have to give a semifinal pick.
32:23And if it's still tied, you both have to give a finals pick.
32:26I love it.
32:26Yeah.
32:27I'd love to take home that.
32:28Okay.
32:28So can you get that pick from him, Jack?
32:30Do you have one?
32:31Okay.
32:32Um, all right, let's talk the game.
32:33So we have Miami, Miami, Ole Miss to start on Thursday night.
32:38Ole Miss is plus three and a half over under is 52 and a half.
32:43What are you, are you, are you going Miami?
32:45You going, you riding with Danny Boy Kane, Dave?
32:47Yeah, I, I, I, I, yes, I'm taking Miami.
32:51They're hot.
32:51I just am not sold on the SEC at all.
32:54Um, but my confidence is not, I, not high.
32:59I don't love the game.
33:00I mean, I love to watch the game.
33:02I think it's going to be a great game to watch.
33:03I'm going to take Miami, but I don't have strong conviction.
33:06I, uh, so I'm going to take the over 52 and a half.
33:08Cause I think of the tempo thing.
33:10I mentioned that they're going to, Ole Miss is going to try to run tempo on Miami to neutralize
33:15that defensive line.
33:16I wanted to take Ole Miss.
33:18Cause I thought like, I still don't really trust Carson Beck.
33:21I think Miami is very, very good, but I can't take them because it keeps nagging me that,
33:26um, almost like how many coaches do they have?
33:30And this is also the first time they have to play in the playoffs.
33:33Now that's not a rematch.
33:35Yeah.
33:36So they played Tulane, they played Georgia.
33:38Now it's Miami full new prep.
33:39And I don't, I just don't know how many guys, how many guys are there doing prep.
33:43Did you see, by the way, Joe judges quote about, uh, adversity.
33:47That was not.
33:48Yes.
33:49So good.
33:49He said, if I used to live next to Aaron Hernandez, so this is nothing good perspective.
33:54So I'm taking the over in this game.
33:56Uh, Rico, I really liked the under.
33:59Okay.
34:00I really liked the under Miami's defense.
34:02Obviously, uh, held a and M to 89 yards rushing, uh, there was a shitload of wind in
34:07that game.
34:07Yeah.
34:08I mean, you can't, you can't still 45 on Ohio state.
34:11That was okay.
34:11Like you, you can't, you can't run on them.
34:13Um, they forced read to two interceptions, saying the two interceptions.
34:17I like the defense here.
34:19I think Ole Miss is going to run that tempo, but I trust Miami's defense.
34:23I think Miami's going to try and set it up with the run back.
34:26You always worry about those big interceptions.
34:29Um, you know, he's, he's had his problems.
34:31He's been okay down the stretch here, Pittsburgh, A&M and Ohio state.
34:34He's got a five to one ratio, but, uh, USF, he threw two Louisville to four SMU.
34:41We through two in the big games.
34:42He's very up and down.
34:43You always worry about that with them.
34:45I think they're going to lean on the run more, um, and kind of slow it down.
34:48I like the under here, the 52.
34:49I really do.
34:50Okay.
34:51Uh, all right.
34:52Next game, Oregon, Indiana.
34:54Let's see right now.
34:55The updated line, three and a half, three and a half, total 46 and a half is what I'm
35:01saying.
35:02Three and a half and over under 47 and a half.
35:05Okay.
35:06Uh, I had written down four.
35:07So three and a half, 47 and a half.
35:10I, Indiana is so fucking good, man.
35:14They're so good.
35:14And signet is the man.
35:15I actually, Dave, you know what?
35:16I, I kind of, um, I made the analogy there.
35:19There's a similar in not like apples to apples, but the Michigan team two years ago who just
35:27did everything correctly.
35:29They did not make mistakes.
35:30They tackled correct.
35:31You know what I mean?
35:32Like where it's just the, the level of coaching on this Indiana team right now, I think is
35:36so high where they're just always in this right place.
35:39They always get like the, you know, on first down, they always make sure they have a positive
35:44play.
35:44They're just so well coached and they, they, they were a buzzsaw against Alabama.
35:49So I, I don't really want to go against them, but I do think it's hard knowing that these
35:53teams played each other already.
35:54Yeah.
35:55So it's a hell of a coach.
35:56I like Oregon.
35:58Uh, I think this will come down to the wire.
36:00I think it's a, and they're, they're both well coached, but the, the psychological advantage
36:08of losing, and I don't put it on the coaches.
36:10I just think when you lose to a team, it helps you so much in the rematch because you know,
36:16they already beat you.
36:17They're both very good teams.
36:18Um, but I thought Indiana would smash Bama.
36:21They did.
36:22I think this game is an absolute coin flip.
36:24I'll take Oregon.
36:25Um, Bosco talked about it with Oregon's running back room.
36:31It's a fucking disaster down to two or three guys.
36:34The problem is Oregon's obviously got to throw it.
36:37They had 81 rushing yards against Indiana in that game.
36:40Neither team, Indiana only had 111.
36:41I think teams are going to have to air it out.
36:43So to speak, the defenses are very good.
36:45You worry about more, uh, four interceptions in his last four games and two in the first
36:51matchup against Indiana.
36:52So if we're going to be throwing the ball, just can't fucking turn it over.
36:57And he's had a propensity to turn it over.
36:59I don't know if that's the right word to turn it over in the last couple of games.
37:02I worry about that a little bit.
37:04I like landing in the rematch.
37:06I really like, Oh, I have Oregon to win the whole thing.
37:09I'm very worried about it with the running backs.
37:11I'm leaning Oregon with the ducks.
37:13I'd like, I'd like them back in the championship game.
37:15I do think the rematch to Dave's point helps.
37:17Signetti's a hell of a coach.
37:18Mendoza's awesome.
37:19He doesn't turn it over in the big games.
37:22Oregon's got to figure out a way to establish the run.
37:24I like the ducks.
37:25I'll be rooting for the ducks.
37:26I think the rematch favors them here.
37:28It's going to be very, very close.
37:30Um, I'll go with the ducks.
37:31And if not for those turnovers, I think they win that game.
37:34Cause Indiana had a pick six, right?
37:36In a big spot.
37:36No, Oregon.
37:37Oregon had the pick six.
37:39Sorry.
37:40All right.
37:40Indiana had a big, I'm sorry.
37:42Oregon had a big turnover to kind of Oregon had a turnover where Indiana picked them off
37:47to seal it in a really bad spot.
37:49That's what it was.
37:49So you can't, you just can't turn it over.
37:51Moore's turning over too much.
37:53You can't turn it over.
37:54What?
37:55Moore threw a bad pick to Indiana.
37:57I feel like in that game.
37:59It's a long time ago, but it was.
38:01Mendoza threw a pick six.
38:03Mendoza definitely threw a pick six.
38:04And then they came back and scored.
38:06Everyone's like, you know, oh, he's got guts.
38:08He, he shook it off.
38:09That's what.
38:10I think Moore's two picks in those games were, were very bad as well.
38:14Well, a pick is never good.
38:16Never good.
38:16But it was in a.
38:17No, that's not true.
38:19Could be.
38:20I guess if you throw a pick at the end of a half.
38:21Like a fourth down.
38:23Yeah.
38:23Yeah.
38:23And they catch it.
38:24It's like a punt.
38:25Yeah.
38:26You can have a good pick.
38:27I don't remember his interceptions.
38:29The pick six is clearly.
38:31Definitely.
38:31That was the Rick six.
38:33I kind of like.
38:35That's one of my, I would say your admirable traits, Bosco.
38:40Like when you get something so clearly wrong, like in your building your entire point on
38:46something that is just wrong.
38:48You don't really slow down.
38:50When you get pointed out that it's wrong, you just plow through and continue making your
38:56point and just really don't shift it even that much.
39:00Right.
39:00Like the, uh, and he, he doesn't, he can, he's, he's basically, he's water.
39:04He can, he can just flow over anything where it's like the entire, uh, what the last two
39:10years, Dave, all we've heard is Rick Pitino is a terrible hire for St. John's because they
39:14don't have anyone coming after him.
39:16And then Kyle Whittingham who's 66 gets hired at Michigan.
39:19He's like great hire, incredible hire, different sport, but, but, but I think both are great
39:25hires.
39:25Like I'm consistent.
39:26I don't think age matters really.
39:28Dan, it's, it's apples and oranges.
39:30Is Michigan has facilities.
39:32Michigan has a base.
39:33Michigan's won titles.
39:35Michigan knows what they're doing.
39:36They're going there.
39:37St. John's been irrelevant for years.
39:38But what does that have to do with like Rick Pitino, maybe not coaching in five years from
39:42now?
39:42Cause Kyle Whittingham will probably, I would, I would imagine Kyle Whittingham will not be
39:46Michigan's coach.
39:47If you want to give me over under five and a half years, I'll take the under.
39:50I think he's going to have a great five years.
39:52That when the next guy, that when the next Rick Pitino might be able to overcome all
39:57that shit within five years, the next guy is not going to be Rick Pitino and still has
40:03to battle all that shit.
40:05You know what I'm saying?
40:05What if Rick Pitino builds it up?
40:07They're building.
40:08I keep talking about this practice thing and this and that place is going to be fucking
40:11empty on Wednesday nights again in January.
40:14Fucking dummies.
40:15I called those guys out.
40:16Like it was dummies.
40:18Your hatred for St. John's is great.
40:20Unless they, it's very simple.
40:22Unless they hire one of my guys who is, could be anybody.
40:26Chris Mullen.
40:27Nah, Mullen's my guy for sure.
40:29But yeah, I don't think he's coming back, but yeah, I mean, they hire one of my guys
40:32and then, and they embrace us and we build it back up.
40:35I'd love nothing more than for us to watch St. John's.
40:39You're kind of like, you're kind of like a mini mincy and like, I, I, I'm not going to
40:43talk to you unless you give me tickets, but if you give me tickets, I'm in.
40:47No, I don't, not really tickets.
40:48Okay.
40:48Well, I mean, tickets, jumpsuits.
40:51What's the difference?
40:52I guess.
40:53Yeah.
40:53But I mean, I'm the truth.
40:54I form a bond with these people though.
40:56These are become friends with these guys.
40:59Okay.
41:00I'm going to take the over in this game.
41:0147 and a half.
41:02I'm excited for this game.
41:03It's going to be, we'll see what the, I mean, the, the, the Danny boy cane.
41:10We tried Dave hardest negotiation ever.
41:13Yeah.
41:14Austin's.
41:15They had like 13 phone calls with Danny boy to try to put that together.
41:18Maybe for the national championship.
41:20We'll see, uh, which is in Miami.
41:22That'll be something Miami and Miami.
41:24I know.
41:25It'll also be something if it's Miami, Oregon with Cristobal.
41:28Yeah.
41:29Yeah.
41:30True.
41:31True.
41:33For what it's worth on DraftKings, the look ahead lines, uh, Oregon and Indiana are favored
41:38against Miami and Ole Miss.
41:40Whoever comes out of that.
41:41Yeah.
41:42Whoa.
41:42Yeah.
41:42Okay.
41:44Plugging the pals.
41:45I'm just plugging the pals.
41:46Yeah.
41:47I will say the lines.
41:49I'll say the lines.
41:50I think Miami matches up better with Indiana because, uh, Mendoza is not as mobile.
41:55So maybe that pass rush, you can get home versus them and create like they did with saying,
42:00but what time is it, by the way?
42:01I got to get going.
42:02You still got, you got like three minutes.
42:04I mean, it's, it's almost, it's almost 10.
42:07It's not 10 yet.
42:08Indiana minus eight and a half against Ole Miss.
42:10Indiana minus five and a half against Miami, Oregon minus one and a half against Miami,
42:14Oregon minus four and a half against Ole Miss.
42:15Good job, Bosco.
42:16Okay.
42:16There we go.
42:17All right.
42:17Uh, mortals.
42:19I'm going to go over the Ole Miss, uh, the Ole Miss Miami game, 52 and a half.
42:24Hank, do you have one?
42:25Uh, I got to go Ole Miss, Mincy.
42:27Okay.
42:27Ole Miss plus three and a half.
42:28Zoopy.
42:30There's really no reason for us to do whatever.
42:32We'll keep doing it.
42:33Yeah.
42:33Miami.
42:33All right.
42:34Jack.
42:35Under Ole Miss, Miami.
42:36And then Ebo has Miami minus three and a half is his.
42:39Okay.
42:40Dave.
42:41I'll go, uh, Oregon, but I mean, by the, both games are kind of coin flips to me.
42:47Yeah.
42:47And by the way, this is the last pick them.
42:49So we'll release the, if, if Bosco and Ebo tie again, we'll just release it on the Twitter.
42:54Tweet it.
42:54Great season, boys.
42:55Great season.
42:56A lot of fun.
42:57A lot of highs.
42:58A lot of lows.
42:59Really came out hot out of the gate.
43:02I'd like to look back at the, uh, did you see there on, like, it still kind of blows my mind.
43:08I'll be watching an NFL game and there'll be a commercial and it will wake up.
43:13I know.
43:14It'll be Nidoo.
43:15It'll be Bosco yelling at Nidoo.
43:18Like, what the hell do people think is this?
43:21It's fucking crazy.
43:24It's crazy.
43:25I'm going to pick them that was.
43:26All right, Bosco, send us off with your mortal.
43:27It's so hard for me because if the championship on the line, you should ride with your guys
43:32with the ducks.
43:34I really, really liked that under with Miami Ole Miss, but fuck it.
43:37Championship on the line.
43:38Ride with your guys.
43:39I'm going with Oregon plus the points.
43:41But I, with that said, I really, really liked that under Miami Ole Miss.
43:45Okay.
43:46I like that over even more now.
43:48All right.
43:49I'll see you guys later.
43:50What, what, what are you giving me?
43:51See you, Dave.
43:52Have fun.
43:53What do you give me that face for Bosco?
43:55Uh, no, I've been pretty good with the big ones.
43:57Yeah, I mean, I mean, I, I didn't win rider of the year, so I don't have to be obligated
44:03Who did win rider of the year?
44:07No, we never announced.
44:08What do you mean?
44:09Announce it right now.
44:09I, I don't know.
44:10It's, it's, it's, it's, it's 2026.
44:12I just assumed I didn't get anything in the mail.
44:14I didn't get any alerts.
44:16I didn't get anything.
44:17So I was like, all right, I guess I tried my hardest to win rider of the year.
44:20I, I, I didn't win it.
44:21So I'm one of those things.
44:22It's one of those things, you know, in your heart, Dan, you think you want it?
44:25I do.
44:26You want it?
44:28So everyone can say that?
44:30No.
44:31Hank can't say it.
44:32What?
44:33All right.
44:33What the fuck?
44:34No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
44:36I am.
44:37No, you're not.
44:38If it's, if it's, if the criteria is, if it's in your heart, then yeah, I am.
44:41All right, then that's, that's what's going on.
44:43We're going off that.
44:44If that's the criteria.
44:45Yeah.
44:46A hundred percent.
44:47When are you moving to Chicago?
44:48You might not accept it now, but in like three years, you'd be like, you know what?
44:51Hank was rider of the year, three years ago.
44:53That's, that's the game I play.
44:55All right, fine.
44:55Then I'm not worried about big picture.
44:58I'm worried about big.
44:59I'm worried about.
45:00I'm worried.
45:00I am.
45:01You're worried about Rico and the big picture and not, and not poking them.
45:06I'm not.
45:07You're just a poker.
45:07When did I poke this episode?
45:09That's all you do.
45:10I didn't poke at all.
45:11You put, you started the whole poking two episodes ago.
45:14No.
45:15Yeah, you did.
45:15That was the big episode poke.
45:17What do you mean?
45:18When you did the numbers.
45:20What numbers?
45:21The, the, the numbers of, of like the, of everything, the social and everything.
45:26You started reading the texts.
45:27Advertisers.
45:28Yeah.
45:28Advertisers.
45:29Yeah.
45:30I was in his corner.
45:31I was trying to have his back.
45:32Advertisers like me.
45:33I'm brand safe.
45:34When are we moving?
45:35No.
45:35Yeah.
45:35Of course.
45:35When are you, when are you moving?
45:36Let's go.
45:37I'm a noble guy, by the way, Rico.
45:38Thank you for putting me on to them.
45:39We need you to get great shoes.
45:41Hey, bleep that out.
45:41We got to go there.
45:42They're in.
45:43He's paid.
45:44Yeah.
45:45We're always paid.
45:46Yes.
45:46Okay.
45:47Then they are great shoes.
45:49Wait, that got official.
45:50I think so.
45:51That's what I'm hearing.
45:53Who knows?
45:54Do you go up to the sales team and just like ask them random questions in the middle of the
45:58day?
45:58Like, Hey, what are you hearing about this?
46:00Is my name getting floated around?
46:02No.
46:03Cause like, how would you, how do you say that's what I'm hearing?
46:05Because like, I, I don't, well, I've had, when they, what's that's Nick Mulcahy?
46:10Oh, that's what he does.
46:11All right.
46:12That makes sense.
46:12Cause I was just saying like, there's no way.
46:14Not even a sales guy.
46:15I don't even, I have people.
46:17I, I should know this stuff and I don't like go out and seek it.
46:21I'll just be told when I need to be told that we're doing something.
46:23But Rico's like, that's what I'm hearing.
46:25Like you're, so you're just texting Mulcahy and asking him for buzz.
46:29No, it's not Mulcahy.
46:30It's, you know what?
46:32A victim of your sins.
46:33So Jackie wants to throw that out there.
46:34Who is it?
46:35Release your sword.
46:36Don't be, don't pout about it.
46:38I mean, Jack, you have conversations with people of like, yeah.
46:41And they, Hey, this is, or people, again, people have come up to you.
46:44Hey, we're talking to these guys.
46:46It might get deal.
46:46So a sales guy comes up to you and is like, Hey, we're thinking about clothes and noble.
46:50Like, what do you think about this?
46:51Hey, Bosco, can I bounce something off you real quick?
46:53Is it a fellow Island boy?
46:55They said, you've been thrown around in the mix.
46:57You're in that package.
46:58Like, you know, keep doing what you're doing.
47:00Yeah.
47:00Okay.
47:00Like that's whatever is what it is, man.
47:05Oh, I wanted to ask, do you think Dave's going to win this race?
47:10Oh, fuck.
47:10We should ask him.
47:11I don't know.
47:11I don't even understand the race.
47:13I got to call him right now.
47:14No, no, no, no.
47:15No, Jesus Christ, don't call him.
47:17Well, yeah, he's on, it's a good time.
47:19He's in transit.
47:20No, but he literally, do you listen to anything that anyone says?
47:24He said, text me the number.
47:26Just text it to him.
47:27He said, if you, if you're smart, you will text me what you want.
47:31He said, text it to him right now.
47:33Did he not say that?
47:33Am I making that up?
47:34He said, text me the number and I'll, I'll do the math and get back to you.
47:37Right.
47:38Don't call him right now.
47:39Text it to him right now.
47:40You just had two weeks to call him and you didn't do it.
47:42And you didn't do it.
47:43And you're waiting until you know that he has to go to a, he has a tea time and you're
47:46going to call him when he's rushing to get to the tea time.
47:49Call him on hole one.
47:50How is this possible?
47:50Yeah, but he doesn't, he's, he's telegraphed this for you.
47:53He's told you what to do.
47:54Agreed.
47:55The car, the car is the, the freest time to talk.
47:58That's when I pick up the phone a lot.
48:00I think you text it to him right now and then call him immediately and be like, did you see
48:03my text?
48:04Yeah.
48:05God, see, this guy's the writer of the year.
48:07He's setting you up for failure, bro.
48:08This guy's the writer of the year.
48:10Get the fuck out of here.
48:12I'm at least telling you what you, I haven't been listening to you when Dave tells you what
48:16to do every time.
48:18All right, we'll just text him.
48:20All right, what'd you, did you text him?
48:21Yeah.
48:22Okay.
48:23Oh, fuck.
48:24What?
48:25I text him double.
48:26What do you mean texting him double?
48:28Like double my own number.
48:30What?
48:31Like I doubled it.
48:33Like you added, like you meant to send.
48:35A couple of zeros.
48:36Did you send 40?
48:39Yeah.
48:40You asked for a 40% raise?
48:43All right, that's a good negotiation.
48:45All right, so we're good.
48:47I just.
48:47Does he text it back?
48:49Why'd you text?
48:51You're a dick.
48:53Just ass face.
48:55I texted Dave.
48:56Hey, Dave, did you see Rico's text?
48:58Just want to make sure you're on it.
48:59Just ass fit.
49:01See, like, but again, though, like, listen.
49:04Whatever.
49:05There's a lot of like, you don't got it.
49:07You don't listen to this.
49:08That's a chop.
49:08You know that's a chop.
49:09You know he doesn't give a fuck about that text.
49:11But part of it, though, was, hey, you can't be a fucking asshole.
49:16You're not.
49:17Like, pain in the ass.
49:17You've been very good.
49:18You've been great.
49:18I understand that.
49:19You've been great.
49:20But you still love to throw around.
49:22You're like, oh, you want to be recruited.
49:24Where the fuck am I going?
49:25And we tried that once before.
49:26She ran me out of town.
49:27Well, because you did.
49:30You did.
49:33The recruiting comment comes from the fact that Dave could not have been more clear on
49:38what you should, how you should proceed.
49:39And then you just didn't do any of it.
49:41So that only leads me to believe.
49:43I think you're a smart guy.
49:45I think you can follow directions.
49:48So would you rather the other alternative here is that you're just dumb?
49:52Because I don't talk to you like you're dumb.
49:53I don't like that.
49:54I rather have AIDS.
49:55Exactly.
49:56Exactly.
49:56So which one do you want?
49:58Yeah.
49:58But in truthfulness, like, I'm not like I when he said it, I read the receipt.
50:03He goes, all right, that's a great speech.
50:06Fucking.
50:06I don't know if it got you a dime more.
50:08I'm going to run the numbers and like, we'll see what's going on.
50:11So like at that point, then you reach back out.
50:14You become like, no, you're not listening.
50:17You're not listening.
50:17There's a clip where he literally said, he said it on this podcast.
50:20He said, you need to call me.
50:23I'm not going to reach out to you.
50:25He's on our Twitter.
50:26Exactly.
50:26He said, exactly.
50:28If you do not contact me, I will do nothing.
50:30Yes.
50:31He said this exactly word for word.
50:33He said that.
50:34So this is where I don't want.
50:35I don't want to accuse you of being dumb.
50:36So I'd rather accuse you of wanting to be recruited.
50:39Free t-shirt out of Dan's pile.
50:41If you figure it out and give us the full layout, I'm 99% sure that he said all that.
50:48Then I went to the receipt where he was like, that was the statement that stayed.
50:53That was you needed.
50:55You never gave him a number with the receipt.
50:57Do you know how many part of my plan was not?
50:59I didn't really have a number.
51:01So you want.
51:02So you want him to recruit you?
51:04No, I just said whatever you think is fair.
51:05Like if you think there's a little bump, you do that.
51:08You did.
51:08That's it.
51:08That's fair.
51:09You realize from Dave's point of view, because I deal with this with you, with people here.
51:12Like when someone walks to my office and they're like, Hey, whatever you think is like, okay
51:16for me.
51:16No, give me a fucking number.
51:18You don't negotiate like that.
51:20You don't say, Oh yeah, I'll just float it out.
51:23Like you have to say a number.
51:25Then I can say a number back and then you're good.
51:27Right.
51:28But we've gone through so much of that hostile negotiations that I truthfully was ready to be like, whatever
51:34number he puts on that paper, I'm going to be okay with, but I think you get that.
51:37Like that was a change.
51:38You're saying the whatever number, because you're hoping that he'll just say a number
51:41that's way bigger than what you actually want.
51:44That's the only way.
51:45That's the only reasoning that someone does what, what you're, you're saying you're doing.
51:49Like the only reason someone walks into a negotiation says, why don't you make the first offer
51:53is because you're hoping that it's so much more money that you never even thought about asking
51:58for.
51:59Okay.
52:00And if you think that's true, maybe, but I will say also, he says he's a pretty fair
52:05guy.
52:06So he wouldn't just be throwing around a crazy number.
52:08Like if he throws out that number, he thinks I earned it.
52:11So then at that point it would be unfair, Dan, for him to throw out that number.
52:15Me be like, Holy shit, this is fucking awesome.
52:18And then me, me come back over the top again.
52:20Like Tony with Ralph, like you already got a pot, like, and then more.
52:24No, you don't do that.
52:25But if he says it, he's not, he knows the market.
52:28He's not going to overpay.
52:29Whatever he says is fair.
52:30So if he came with that number, I'd be like, okay, yeah.
52:34So you think that way, you see my way as well.
52:37I think it's pretty level headed.
52:39No, no, I don't think anyone in the world sees it.
52:41No, I Rico, I'm telling you the truth.
52:44I don't think Hank does not.
52:46He's not even listening right now.
52:48There's a late charge from the nine horse coming back.
52:51No one in the, no one, no one, no one operates the way that what you're suggesting.
52:57No one, no office, no, no boss ever says, Hey, come in, ask for a raise, but you, you don't
53:04have to give a number.
53:05You can just say, I want a raise and I just, and I want you to say the number first boss.
53:12So you got to say it and you said it.
53:14So you're good.
53:15Yeah.
53:15I mean, I was also playing safe too, in the sense of like, if he didn't think I got a
53:19raise, there is no pat.
53:20It's like, I will, I, listen, wait, say that part again.
53:26If when we, when we got to that tipping point last week and he was like, Hey, it's probably
53:32flat.
53:33There wasn't going to be any pouting.
53:34I'd be like, okay.
53:35Like I, I truthfully believed you do what you do.
53:39You let the scoreboard take care of itself.
53:40There's no more back and forth.
53:41There's no more pouting.
53:42Like I'm, I've been pretty confident in my ways of how it's going to take care of itself
53:46and we'll see how it goes.
53:48So I don't know.
53:51Whatever.
53:52Whatever.
53:53You're, you're good.
53:55Yeah.
53:55I'm, I'm doing well.
53:57Okay.
53:57Great.
53:59Moving.
53:59I'm going back on the juice though.
54:01Oh, okay.
54:02Wait.
54:02Yeah.
54:03I really do.
54:04Yeah.
54:04Why?
54:06It's kind of been unsustainable.
54:08He went off, he went off the juice and couldn't even get more than 4%.
54:11What's the point?
54:12No, it's not that it's just become unsustainable.
54:16That's true.
54:18Everyone's like, you got to get off the juice here, you know, and he did and he'd be delivered
54:21and it's like, yeah, like what percentage is being off the juice worth?
54:27Yeah.
54:28I just, I think it's like, I got up.
54:30Yeah.
54:30I think I got to get back on.
54:31I think you should do whatever is best for your mentals.
54:34So if you got to get back on the juice, get back on the juice.
54:38Yeah.
54:38It's become, it's.
54:40That's not fine.
54:41It's a fine line.
54:42Yeah.
54:43I agree.
54:43I agree.
54:44I'm holding it together, but it's a, it's a fine line.
54:47As a rider, as a potential rider of the year 2025, I need, I need the boss man mentally
54:54there.
54:55Cause what people forget is like, I'm still able to control it when I want.
54:58I was on the juice last year for the tournament, had an unbelievable run this year.
55:03I should say.
55:03You did.
55:04You met Nico Harrison in, in San Antonio.
55:08It was crazy.
55:09It's ditched me at dinner.
55:10Ditch Jack at dinner.
55:12Unbelievable run.
55:13I'm excited for March Madness Rico.
55:16I can't wait.
55:17Can't wait.
55:18All right.
55:18I'll see you.
55:19All right.
55:19Great year.
55:20Thanks everybody for listening to Pickle.
55:21Great year.
55:21Love doing the show with you, Rico.
55:22Seriously.
55:23Love doing the show with you.
55:25Okay.
55:26You don't want to say anything back.
55:28I love you too.
55:28It's been a great year.
55:29It's been a great year.
55:30It's been a great year.
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