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00:00On The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, finding out that Mary Cosby married her
00:10step-grandfather, took over the church, and the church is being called a cult. It's wild.
00:17But before that, there was a lot of crazy family history. Mama had had a mini empire.
00:24Robert started becoming abusive. Corporal punishment creates obedience. You better
00:35follow the rules or else. Mary was a troublemaker. Which is why she got dispelshipped.
00:42When Mama passed away, all the monsters came out. That's where Mary got in his house,
00:48and they're doing God knows what. And then Robert started bringing God into it.
00:53God was telling him to marry my sister. My mom wasn't having it.
00:58It was out of control. It was every man for himself.
01:04And that's when the trouble started.
01:07Expectation no moment, but then you ought to know me.
01:23When the Faith Temple congregation found out that Mary and Robert were going to get married,
01:41it caused a huge fracture among the congregation.
01:44We've seen people trying to take over Mama's church. Mama is!
01:52Mary's mother, Rosalyn, ends up leaving, and half the congregation walk out the door with her.
01:58Oh, Lord.
01:59The other half that remained were loyal to Robert and Mary. And so that's where the church physically splits in half.
02:07Mary's mother, Rosalyn, then starts her own church with the congregation members that left Faith Temple with her.
02:17My mom had a fit because she wanted the church. She wanted my grandmother's place.
02:24Mary Cosby says that her family was so jealous because she was the chosen one.
02:29My mom felt like she was the one that should have been Mary Robertson here.
02:36I don't believe it.
02:38So today, I'm excited to be joined by Mary's mother, Rosalyn Cazares, and her stepfather, Mark Cazares, to hear their side of the story.
02:46I come to find out Mary Cosby's mother watches Up and Atom on YouTube.
02:51So I reached out to have a conversation.
02:55On the show, Mary says that Mama chose Mary as the chosen one to take over the church and Mary, Robert Cosby Sr.
03:03That's not true.
03:04But Mary believed that because she was manipulated by Robert.
03:08Rosalyn and Mark feel like Robert Cosby was a much older man who had a very heavy influence.
03:15Mary was the young, beautiful, 20-something that got caught up. She's a victim.
03:21And all the lies that he told were to maintain the structure of the church and the finances.
03:28I think that they felt like Robert Cosby was able to persuade Mary into a new life.
03:34By the way, here's a couple hundred thousand dollars and it's your birthday.
03:37Here's a brand new BMW to go with it.
03:40A much wealthier life.
03:47When my grandmother passed, people didn't know what to do.
03:50She was the head of our church.
03:53We believe in a true living God.
03:56So I just got up and I thought there was something pulling me that this is what you're supposed to do, whether people like it, whether they accept it, whether your mom is okay with it.
04:07I knew I had to do it.
04:09But after Mama's death, when Mary steps in, there's a clear shift that happened.
04:15Things turned up a notch.
04:17They started using their position in the church to chastise members, lecturing them from the pulpit in front of the whole congregation.
04:28Isolation became more frequent.
04:30You can't talk to other members who left with Rosalyn.
04:33Everything just becomes a little bit more intense, according to members.
04:38That's when Faith Temple starts looking like a cult.
04:41Faith Temple, it just started becoming very strange.
04:56They put a camera right in the middle of the church so they could sit and watch everything that was going on.
05:04There were times when Robert and Mary were out of town in either her residence in New York or her residence in Florida.
05:11So Mary had cameras set up.
05:15Mary would watch the people in the service.
05:19She would send a messenger down and they're giving people messages that she doesn't like what she feels.
05:25What's wrong with you?
05:26Stop thinking you're cute.
05:28You're not cute.
05:30And people would get phone calls based on what she witnessed over that surveillance.
05:37Mama has done it in the past and that's going to try to be their little justification.
05:41Mama watched the service to see who preached and how well they did and get encouraged off of it.
05:47Oh, they did it beautiful.
05:49It wasn't to keep an eye out on people.
05:51If you wanted to confess at Faith Temple, you could write a letter.
06:04With Mama, she may address it with you at a later time and she may not.
06:10With Robert and Mary, they would deal with confessions a lot of times by public humiliation.
06:20The confession itself would be brought out in front of the entire church.
06:26The tone in their voice would be anger and it would be like getting after your child.
06:33They did something really rotten and you're just setting them straight.
06:38I remember this one girl that I love dearly.
06:41She had relations with somebody else in the church.
06:44And Mary came to me and blurted it out that this girl had been doing this.
06:49Just the deepest, darkest things that you would tell somebody, they're in turn telling people
06:55what's being told to them.
06:57The members became very, very separate because after they heard something that you had confessed,
07:03they might completely avoid you. They may not even say hi to you.
07:06Pretty soon, you got to the point where there was very few people
07:09that you socialized with, that you talked to, that you trusted.
07:18I've seen surveillance and public confession used by a number of different cults.
07:25Surveillance is used in mind control groups as a device to gather information about what members
07:33are talking about in order to identify potential problem people.
07:40Public confessions are used to not only use personal information that people are ashamed of,
07:47but to shame them publicly to the group in order to break their egos down.
07:53It's a message of fear as well as control to all the other members,
07:59because you better stay in line, otherwise it could happen to you next.
08:02My own cousin, my first cousin, his best friend is terrified.
08:09Wait, what?
08:10People are saying that she's a cult leader, that she has them on food stamps.
08:16While looking into allegations that surfaced on the show, I spoke to Faith Temple members who laid
08:22out a series of accusations that depicted a form of financial abuse. Some congregation members were
08:27expected to work for free for Mary and Robert to be at the house, to be their maids, to do chores for them.
08:35They were expected to donate their time and their lives to the church and to Mary and Robert.
08:39In early 2000, before Mikel passed, I lived with Robert and Mary and worked in their home.
08:49Working for Robert and Mary started because I started to accept Mary's position as Robert's wife,
08:58and now first lady of the church.
09:03So in between jobs, I would, you know, try to help them. My full-time responsibilities were
09:07housekeeping and running errands, kind of like a personal assistant.
09:11In the five years that I worked for Robert and Mary, I was never paid. I was collecting unemployment
09:21at one stage, and I guess that was what they thought I would live on. But no, I wasn't paid.
09:29I was more like a slave plantation.
09:31Mary and Robert did very little for themselves. They had people cleaning. They had people doing,
09:45you know, bills. They had people doing grocery shopping. But it's much different than what
09:50appears in the show. Will you pay Charlene Taylor to bring my tray?
09:56Hey, um, Charlene, bring Mary's tray, please. Wherever you're at.
10:01My sister, Pat, worked at the house for many, many years.
10:10We're getting Pat dancing here. We're going to get a close-up of her.
10:16Pat and I became friends when we worked in Robert and Mary's home. I recall times Robert and Mary
10:24talked to Pat so badly. Things like, you're a slave, you're going to work here until you die.
10:32Because if you don't, you're going to die anyway. And you're going to hell.
10:39Pat would take insults. Pat was called a liar and a thief. But this almost 80-year-old woman still
10:47believed what Robert and Mary had embedded in her.
10:55I remember Pat told me one time something, she wouldn't go into any detail, but she was crying
11:02profusely. And I said, Pat, what happened? She said, today was so bad. She said, just so bad.
11:07And I said, bad how? She said, I just wish I could go to sleep and not wake up.
11:14Till she didn't.
11:15In mind control cults, for the member to be asked to do free labor by the leader who claims to be God,
11:32God, or claims to be God's representative on earth. It's viewed as an honor that you're special.
11:42And like giving over your money. This is another form of getting people to sacrifice and invest
11:49themselves further. And if you don't do what you're told to do, you're often punished.
11:56My brother, Don, gave very heavily to the church. The push for money never stopped.
12:14My brother, Don, they were after his money with a vengeance. It aggravated me. It aggravated me a lot.
12:22I love fashion.
12:23Also, you have to understand that the Housewives of Salt Lake City was airing at this time.
12:29I'm running out of spaces. I'm actually going to,
12:31I'm going to buy a place just to put my clothes, like an apartment. Can you believe that?
12:34So I was watching that and going, what? You know?
12:38So at that point, you had no idea the wealth that Robert and Mary had.
12:43I had no idea. So I told my brother, listen, I don't want you to keep giving large amounts like
12:49this. Pretty soon your money will be gone. He was a bus driver.
12:53How much money did he have? And then all of a sudden, Mary called me up and kicked me out of the church.
13:00I felt like a person without a country. That's how bad it is. You know, you feel like God has rejected you.
13:13And then when my sister Pat died, I was informed that I was not allowed to come to her funeral services.
13:22I think it was one last assault that they could put on me. It was one last assault.
13:33Robert and Mary absolutely drive wedges between family members, friends.
13:38Not to be able to go to their funeral is criminal.
13:49You're not even allowed to show your last respect for this person you've known your whole life.
13:56My own sister. I mean, look how old I am.
13:59And I can't show my family respect when they pass away.
14:05It's unbelievable, the pain.
14:10Unbelievable.
14:16In mind control groups, the goal is always to create dependent, obedient followers.
14:22And so the leadership does not want allegiance horizontally to family members, friends at all.
14:32They want that allegiance to be vertical to them.
14:37There's a tremendous amount of interpersonal manipulation and control.
14:42So if there's a family, for example, and one person's questioning and not wanting to just blindly obey,
14:50they will often segregate that person, punish them, and threaten the other people to get that person in line or else.
15:01It breaks down the normal relations, emotional ties of a family.
15:08In Faith Temple under Robert and Mary, you destroy your family to put Robert and Mary first.
15:20I was extremely close to Mary for a good 10 years.
15:28Very early on, Robert and Mary invited me on a trip with them to California.
15:35When we were at the hotel, the three of us were out on this balcony just looking at the ocean.
15:42At one point, Mary went in the room and I talked to Robert.
15:48Really, we were actually even talking about God's creation and just how beautiful it was.
15:52That was that, and I didn't think anything of it.
15:57After the whole trip was over and we got back in town,
16:00Robert and Mary called me and she brings up when we were on the balcony, she said it was like she
16:07wasn't even there. And it was like, I wanted her life. That means I want her husband too,
16:11because I want all of it. And I was just, I was shocked. Robert was my husband's grandfather.
16:18That's the way I looked at him. But I did love him as my bishop. And he said that that's what happens
16:24sometimes as people get their love confused. You just have to work on it.
16:30I know that under the LDS church, if a member is having an issue, they'll meet with their bishop.
16:37But the way Robert and Mary did it was different. Robert would call and say,
16:43you need to come up the house. That's when my real counseling sessions began. They would refer to
16:51jealousy, envy, and lust as Satan's trade. And so you had to work on yourself to get rid of those.
16:59Robert would say, do you love me or are you in love with me? And so I'd say, of course I love you.
17:04You're my bishop. But no, I'm not in love with you. Robert said, you're getting your love confused
17:10because you're in love with me. I trusted Robert. And so I was asking God, I said, you know,
17:19Lord, help me see if I'm doing something that I don't realize.
17:26Mind control cults use gaslighting to disorient people from having confidence in their perceptions,
17:34in their beliefs, in their experiences. So for example, a cult leader can say something one
17:40minute and an hour later say, I never said that confidently. And for the person who thinks
17:48that's a person of God, he couldn't lie. So there must be something wrong with me.
17:54The problem is always with the member, never with the leader.
17:57You have a nerve question, yeah?
18:05There was plenty of times where I was close to leaving. And the next thing you know,
18:09there was a lot of, you know, dropping of love bombs. It was as if they could tell. They needed to,
18:16like, show me love again and give me hope spiritually and all of that. And I kept making excuses for them.
18:25But then things with Robert got more frequent and more intense.
18:32I'm getting phone calls and text messages to come up to the house. And it just got to where it was
18:39almost every day. I mean, there was fear, literal fear.
18:49Mary and Robert would text me regularly at work. And if you don't answer right when they call or respond
18:54to a text within minutes, then you're going to get a flow of text messages. Roberts would say stuff
19:00like, oh, now you're ignoring me. Or I know you're not in a meeting. You better call me back, young lady.
19:06And Mary's would just rant how horrible I am and how I'm the worst friend ever. And just
19:13all kinds of things. I'm better than you. If you have something to say, it's better. You say it to
19:18my face. The way Mary treats people on even Housewives. I don't need all the fake injections
19:24in my face to make my face look like whatever. And I don't need tummy tucks and facelifts and
19:29eyebrow lifts and breast implants. When Mary was sending those text messages to Whitney, she has no
19:34idea. Everything is fake. I've never had plastic surgery. Never. I don't need it like you do. Like,
19:39she got a tip of what Mary's capable of when it comes to that stuff. I have donated to her church.
19:46Why are you going out of your way to hurt me? The depth of low that she'll go as far as really
19:50wanting to hurt somebody. They have no idea what she's capable of. If I saw their name on the
19:59phone, I would get full-blown physical anxiety. When I look back and I can rewind it as a story,
20:05it's like the way it just evolved more and more and more and more. It was like torture.
20:13Once smartphones and social media got established, the entire manipulation of the mind went to a whole
20:22other level. With texting, groups can mind control people throughout the day. So smartphones are the
20:31ultimate mind control devices. And that's why we shouldn't be dependent and obedient to this device.
20:39The people on the other side of the device using it to influence our minds.
20:44Kim would be up there at the house seven days a week. I always wanted to go up to the house,
20:52but they never included me with them. And I felt that they were just kind of pulling her away.
21:00My marriage was not bad to where I did not want to be home. They turned it into if I went home,
21:06I was putting Danny above God and that me going up to the house was what God wanted.
21:14And then later they started involving my daughters and my daughters start now going up to their house.
21:21It felt like a total separation, like Danny's over there and now Kim and the girls are over here.
21:28And if I said something against what they were doing, then I'm the off one or I'm the one that's the devil.
21:40What are you doing?
21:42Nothing.
21:44As far as my life and our life is when the turmoil started, where my daughters
21:52didn't really know me and I lost track of our marriage.
21:56It became hell.
22:01The whole situation put a huge strain on my marriage. They could have had us both around.
22:06That would have been fine. But very seldom was there a couple at their house. It was always one
22:11or the other because it was always about division.
22:15So now every time Robert and I talked, we would argue, we would fuss. And Kim then would look at me
22:22like I'm crazy. Like, how dare I talk to this bishop like this?
22:26I'm in the dome right now.
22:28Are you hired?
22:31One Sunday, I decided to stop at the church.
22:35When service was over, Robert asked for people to go get prayer.
22:38So I went down and he came and he put his hand on my head and shoved me with his hand.
22:49I remember falling back about three steps and I looked at him real odd and I'm like,
22:54really?
22:58Later on, Mary sends me a text message that said,
23:02the whole church witnessed God leaving you.
23:05And it was that day that Mary believed that there was no way for me to ever get back in the church.
23:10When that happened, I knew I was done. I never went back to the church. And that was right when Housewives came out.
23:21If you come for me, I will send Jesus after you.
23:24When I spoke with former Faith Temple members, they described how Mary and Robert use this idea
23:41of heaven and hell to control people. The Christian belief is that to go to heaven,
23:47you have to accept Jesus Christ as your savior. And the only way to heaven is through the gospel,
23:52through Jesus. Robert and Mary then began to use Mary as this conduit to salvation.
24:04It was drilled into congregation members that you need to accept Mary as a spokesperson for God,
24:11and the only way to heaven is through the preachings of Mary. And so they needed to also
24:17please Mary and Robert, otherwise you're going to be condemned to hell.
24:23There's the love.
24:31Mary was doing this whole Real Housewives thing, and I think she seen the writing on the wall of
24:37those who would go for it and those who wouldn't. And I would be in the category of somebody who would not
24:44be okay with that. So they just start doing things to drive me out of the church.
24:51The instance that really started a downward spiral for me is that my knees are bad and my knees have
24:58been bad since I was eight. I was born with a deformity where they pop out a socket. My
25:05gramps was up there teaching Bible class and the power of God hit and then I started reacting.
25:13The next thing I know I was in the aisle with no legs working. I looked up in the pulpit at them and they were laughing at me.
25:21I was just shocked at the level of manipulation that they had going on.
25:29Things just started getting worse and worse.
25:31Why do you pretend you all that? You know you ain't.
25:35She's my pastor and my sister. I felt like this is torture, but this is what it's going
25:41to take for me to get into heaven. So it was just a vicious cycle of humiliation.
25:48Eventually I just started having a mental breakdown.
26:02It became very hard to sit under Gramps and Mary. I'm doing all I can do to be saved,
26:09but it's not good enough for them. So just the manipulation of that, it was the beginning of the
26:15decline for me. I just felt like literally the devil was in the room just laughing at me,
26:21saying everything that you've done, it was for naught. You've just wasted your time.
26:26I mean, the devil straight told me to commit suicide.
26:31And then next thing you know, I heard the Lord say, look up your redemption draweth nigh.
26:36In other words, I could see the light and I heard something speak to me and say it's a cult.
26:45And so I've left the church. Being able to snap out of what I was in and walk out of there intact is
26:53just, you know, amazing to me because people don't get out.
26:56The whole notion of heaven and hell is something that's been around for a long time in Christianity
27:07and other world religions. But in mind control cults, it really is very intensified that only in
27:16this group can you go to heaven. Unlike legitimate churches, the members are trained to believe their
27:24leader is the gateway to God. So there's an enormous amount of projection that people give to that
27:41person. And they're trained to be blindly obedient and dependent on that person. If you don't do exactly
27:49what they tell you, you're disobeying God and you risk your salvation, you're going to be damned for
27:55eternity.
28:00The people that were watching Real Housewives were like, we love Mary because she's funny,
28:06she's cute, she's quirky. Then when Robert Cosby came on the show, he was very angry. That's when
28:15it got real for the audience. Were you hesitant when Mary said that she wanted to join the show?
28:23Very much.
28:23You was?
28:24Mm-hmm.
28:24No, you wasn't.
28:25For me.
28:26No, you was not.
28:26Yes, for me.
28:27No, you was not.
28:28I knew everything that's happening right now was going to happen.
28:34On other Real Housewives franchises, all the husbands would be present. And Robert Cosby kind of
28:40pulled back. What's really going on?
28:54One day, Robert called. And now Danny's literally right next to me. I mean, he can hear the phone call.
29:01I was listening to this conversation, wondering what the world is going on. He was saying the weirdest
29:09things I've ever heard from a pastor and from somebody who's supposed to be my granddad.
29:19He's saying to Kim, if I fly you to Las Vegas, would you come? I'm like, what?
29:27He's kept saying, tell me you love me. And Kim said, no, sir. So he got really mad and said,
29:35you call me back when you can talk. I hung up the phone and I said to Danny,
29:43something is wrong with him. It was like a relief that I actually said it out loud,
29:48that I knew this is not normal. Looking back on it, I just see how it was just a game.
29:53Because then if I would have said yes, I mean, who knows?
29:55I learned later that I wasn't the only person that he was doing this to.
30:02I spoke with another person that was under them and she showed me text messages.
30:10It was like all of a sudden a chain was ripped off me and it literally freed me.
30:16This is just who he is. It has nothing to do with me.
30:19And so I left Faith Temple completely.
30:28So today we're going to do part four of Unmasking Mary's Cult.
30:33Let's talk about Robert alleged coming on to other women in the church.
30:39Some of the ex-cult members contacted me and shared their experience,
30:44what went on at Faith Temple, talking about Robert coming onto them.
30:53And these people were crying.
30:56Some didn't feel strong enough to talk.
30:59I would talk to victims that would cry on my shoulder and tell me their stories,
31:05what happened to them, but they didn't want to come forward.
31:10You go to the leader of the church because you're going through a hard time.
31:13So you're very vulnerable.
31:16But then you get hit on.
31:18It took a toll on the victims till this day.
31:22Well, my message is that if it's out publicly, you could prevent this from happening to someone else.
31:29You can do a lot of stuff in the dark.
31:32But when people start to realize what's going on, it's not so easy.
31:40The world is watching you now.
31:43When I think about cult leaders, they all want power, money and sex.
31:49Sex is not about love with a cult leader.
31:52It's about power.
31:54They want complete control over a person.
31:58And there's no accountability.
32:00If they do something wrong, they never admit that they did anything wrong.
32:03Because these people think they're above the law.
32:14I published my investigation in September of 2021 for the Daily Beast.
32:19This was the first time where you heard from multiple church members saying that they believe Faith Temple,
32:24under Mary and Robert, was a cult.
32:38I cannot believe Miss Mary Cosby.
32:44Is it a cult?
32:45Where was she getting all her money from?
32:48It did pick up chatter, questioning Mary, questioning Robert and asking, is this really a cult?
32:56Will the show actually address these accusations?
32:59Mary Cosby did not attend the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City season two reunion.
33:07The controversial Housewives skipped the annual end of season showdown.
33:25The reunion, it's a chance for everyone to take accountability.
33:28Delia from New Orleans said, I've heard rumors that there's a support group for ex-members of Mary's church.
33:34Does anyone know if this is true?
33:36It's true. It's 100% true.
33:37I've had ex-members of her congregation come up to me and say that I have it right.
33:41That we have it right.
33:43Okay.
33:44By Mary dipping out, she wasn't held accountable for what she did or the accusations.
33:50At this point, it was like an avalanche coming down on her and Robert.
33:56And she just didn't want to sit in the hot seat.
33:58Honestly, I am in shock. I cannot believe she just completely ditched the reunion.
34:04Would she be coming back next season?
34:06People began kind of saying, well, maybe there is some truth to this because she didn't want to answer questions.
34:21It's clear that Mary will not be returning back for season three.
34:26It's like, yeah, good riddance. You should not be a part of this show.
34:29After Mary leaves the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City in season two, she kind of goes dark.
34:34And we don't hear too much about her.
34:36Until season four rolls around.
34:39She pops up in a limited role and then she's welcomed back onto the show fully for season five.
34:44We got Mary back. This is historical.
34:48I love this new Mary.
34:56I ate dirt.
34:57Season five, you won't recognize Mary Cosby.
35:00Why? Because she doesn't want to talk about what we all want to hear about.
35:04Did I see the contract? No.
35:07But from what I gather, she didn't want to talk about her husband.
35:10Oh, that's so good.
35:11I had no clue that there is like an upscale beer.
35:14She didn't want to talk about her church.
35:16Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
35:23Like, what are we doing?
35:24So what you have to do if there are the two main plot lines that you don't want to talk about?
35:30Well, it's easy. Then you have to engage.
35:32I want to come on here and just express my appreciation and my love for Mary Cosby.
35:44My complete viewpoint on her has changed.
35:48She's genuinely opening up and I feel like we know her a lot better this year.
35:55Mary, like, honestly brought humanity to the show.
35:58And I think they need to keep paying Mary whatever they're paying her. Give her a raise.
36:03Mary turns back up on season five like nothing ever happened.
36:07And she doesn't really address why she was absent for season three or ditches the reunion.
36:12There's a new storyline, a new plot, and everything from before is just forgotten about.
36:17The internet really does have the memory of a goldfish.
36:21Everyone's carrying on about how much they love Mary Cosby and how she's the best housewife of all time.
36:26Hello?
36:29She definitely gets a huge pass because she's not been reprimanded.
36:39Where I stand on Mary is that she can do whatever she wants.
36:45And I'm here to support whatever her endeavors are here for it.
36:50I don't support her being a cult leader if that's what's going on, but I love watching her.
36:56Despite all the allegations and scandal, Mary's fully back into the spotlight.
37:01The final kind of accusation, allegation out there about you is that the church is some sort of cult.
37:07It's like ridiculous.
37:09Clearly, I'm not going to get on national television.
37:11Be a housewife and be in a cult.
37:14I think when anyone says, oh, why would I do this? It's a little bit of a deflection.
37:19For the congregation members, there's a lot of hurt and unresolved feelings there from
37:25Mary and Robert and their time at Faith Temple. So they wanted apologies that there was harm,
37:31that they don't speak to family members, that they did drain resources from them.
37:35And Mary kind of brushing it all off and saying, oh, it's not a cult. Why would I run a cult?
37:40It doesn't actually get to what they were upset about in the first place.
37:45I am the pastor of Soul Restoration Ministries, Move of God.
38:01Most of the members in Soul Restoration are made up of ex-Faith Temple members that have either left
38:16or were excommunicated. And I said, Lord, I'll take them.
38:20And the Lord began to talk to me and he would say, all that stuff that happened in Faith Temple,
38:29you said you got to forgive. In Faith Temple, Mary and Bishop took the place of God
38:43and we paid for it. But when I left, I could see the light.
38:50Soul Restoration, it was like being rescued by someone that had mama's love in them.
38:56It's a saying to protect your peace. That's what I had to do.
39:03I got to do better. We all have to.
39:05Bless that wonderful name of Jesus. Oh, there's no other name I know.
39:23Where Faith Temple is today is kind of a big question mark.
39:27Mary, what's the update on your church? Are the renovations complete?
39:32Yeah, we're slowly getting back into it, but it's good. It's blessed.
39:37I just watched Mary saying that the church is great. I just, I don't know who that person is.
39:45And I don't believe they've done renovations on it. I just, I will never be under them again.
39:51And I will pray for the people that still are.
39:55I said, help me, Lord. He said, I only hug them that help me.
40:00You apply something. He'll meet you there.
40:03You're not even gone. Who's able to keep you from falling?
40:09He's not leaving first.
40:11I just watched Mary being as fake as a $3 bill.
40:20This service is really interesting.
40:24Prior to this service, the word got out that they were recording Real Housewives.
40:29I said, I'm not coming. I'm not coming tonight or ever again.
40:35And that was that. Haven't attended a church service since.
40:41I said, I'm not coming tonight.
40:45Individuals that are still caught in those walls are not seeing the true signs.
40:53It takes something, and I don't know what that something is, for a certain person to wake up
40:59and say, oh gosh, I'm in a cult. Scared to death, grating, insulting.
41:05You couldn't talk to each other. Public humiliation.
41:08Always a need for money, sleeping, thank God.
41:10Whether you describe it as the universe sending you a message, God sending you a message.
41:15When things seem off, step back and take a look.
41:21You don't have to live under dictatorships, mind manipulations.
41:26You don't have to live under spiritual abuse, religious abuse.
41:29Got this, Chuck.
41:32God is love. If you don't feel love, you don't feel freedom, find something else.
41:38Robert and Mary, they're the cons. The congregation is under a delusion.
41:51God don't wear Louis Vuitton, and the devil don't wear Prada either.
41:55But maybe he wears shit now.
41:58Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
42:04God bless you, God bless you.
42:26You
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