Jason Lee and Patrisse Cullors talk about the Black Lives Matters Movement

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Jason Lee and Patrisse Cullors discuss allegations and the money invested in Black Lives Matter

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00:00Why did black people buy into it?

00:02And second question is,

00:04do you think the Black Lives Matter movement

00:06failed in protecting you?

00:12I think black people bought into it

00:14because the right-wing messaging went viral.

00:18And, you know, folks like The Shade Room picked it up

00:23and then like, you know, that's like,

00:25a lot of people didn't know about it

00:26until like The Shade Room picked it up the first time.

00:28And you know, I've had-

00:29A lot of our people didn't know.

00:30Yeah, exactly.

00:31And I've had my conversations with folks

00:33at The Shade Room about that, you know,

00:34and I think, and then they did a whole retraction

00:37and they came through for the situation, you know,

00:42once they heard more about it.

00:43And I think at the end of the day,

00:46the virility of social media is hard to contain.

00:50And once a certain message has gone out there,

00:53because it could have been a totally different messaging,

00:55which is like BLM co-founder invests

00:58in homes that supports her family.

01:00And that's what black people do.

01:02And like black people would have seen it differently.

01:05But the fact that the first messaging was, you know,

01:09she has all these homes and she went on a shopping spree.

01:11I mean, at the height of it, Jason,

01:14the New York Post had me on the cover.

01:17They put, I was like, I remember waking up, you know,

01:20the dirt thing came out, maybe it was a Thursday.

01:23Then that next day, it was kind of quiet.

01:27But then by Saturday, I was on the cover

01:30of the New York Post, like physical copies.

01:34And I was like, how the, how did they do that?

01:35But what is going on?

01:37Like what's happening?

01:39And that's when I started to realize like,

01:40oh, I'm a target now.

01:42Like they are actually, you know,

01:45what people don't know is these groups have think tanks.

01:49They start to message, they start to see like, okay,

01:52who's the most popular person?

01:53Who is, who's the easiest, who's the most vulnerable?

01:56I was the most vulnerable.

01:59There were so many gaps in my, and you know,

02:03just things I, I'm not operating like I'm a celebrity.

02:05I'm operating like I'm a community organizer.

02:07So I'm not thinking about certain things

02:09that need to be protected.

02:12And, and so that, and I think, you know,

02:15the question around did the Black Lives Matter movement

02:17fail to protect me?

02:18I don't know, I don't, I don't want to place blame.

02:22I think that's too harsh.

02:23I just don't think we know how to protect each other.

02:27I don't think we have enough wherewithal and infrastructure

02:33to differentiate what is generative critique

02:38and how we hold someone accountable

02:41without throwing them under the bus or without them,

02:46you know, in my situation, like not being able to get the protection that I needed.

02:50There's a lot of things I wish happened.

02:52But how do we say you created the Black Lives Matter movement?

02:57And then when mainstream goes on a lynching campaign,

03:02the Black Lives Matter don't show up to say that your Black Lives Matters

03:06and you not be angry.

03:07Malina Abdullah has been the biggest supporter of me.

03:12Like she has shown up from the beginning.

03:15And so there have been individual people who have been very present and very protective of me.

03:21But our movement infrastructure does not have the capacity to protect Black women right now.

03:30We just don't.

03:32It's not a judgment.

03:33My hope, like I said earlier about, you know, this moment,

03:37my hope is that this is a learning moment.

03:39My hope is that we, this won't happen again and we will protect each other.

03:45We will protect each other, and we will protect each other, and we will protect each other.

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