00:00While we are disappointed, we are more agitated, not in a bad way, but agitated to do better in the appeal
00:17because by Monday, we will file the appeal. This is probably the first case in my almost 50 years
00:27career in the law where I lost every single point. There's not a point, even a small point that I want.
00:37Nothing, it's zero. If it is in terms of football, they scored 100 goals and we scored zero.
00:44It's a perfect result for the prosecution. But having said that, I'm looking forward for this case
00:51to go to the court of appeal because every single point, the judge has been dealt with
00:58in a manner where our cross-examination of the witnesses, where our defence have not been
01:06examined by the judge. I can say this with all the clarity. I'm not saying this immediately
01:14after a battle and we come out not thinking straight, no. Throughout the reading of the
01:19judgment, we kept on being disappointed with every point that was handed down by the Leonard
01:28judge. I call it blunders because I think that's what it is. Because you cannot have that many
01:34mistakes in a judgment of this importance. Now, what is most shocking is every single objection
01:45of ours pertaining to hearsay, hearsay is inadmissible unless it comes under an exception which is called
01:55the section 32 exception. He said all those, what Jolo told, for instance, Shahrul, what Jolo said
02:09to Amhari, and then Amhari told the court.
02:13All these, not only one layer of hearsay, but many a time they are double hearsay, sometimes
02:28triple hearsay. But the Leonard judge said, not only these hearsay are admissible because
02:35he said they are in the course of business. To me, how could it be in the course of business?
02:43When Jolo gave instruction to say, Shahrul, and Shahrul said it in court. We cannot test
02:53what Shahrul testified because that's not Shahrul's word. You know, Jolo said this, Azlin said that,
03:03all these were admitted and we find this very shocking. But he also said, double hearsay iso can be
03:12accepted because he said the law does not prohibit it.
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