00:00We know that these conversations and many of these negotiations have sort of moved
00:03underground in terms of what their actual content is since we saw that 28-point plan initially.
00:08Do we have an idea of what was discussed this weekend and how much progress was made?
00:14Yes, Oliver. Well, what we've heard from the U.S. side, at least, is that they did discuss that
00:1828-point plan. Of course, that's something that obviously the initial plan put forward by
00:24Witkoff was met with quite a bit of resistance from the European side, but Zelensky and the
00:30Europeans did counter with something. So it does appear that there was something in the, you know,
00:34sort of the gist of a multi-point plan that was discussed at this meeting. They also talked a lot
00:39about U.S. security guarantees for Ukraine, potentially. That's something that we did get
00:43an inkling of about a week or so ago. Might be something that is moving forward the needle a
00:47little bit, that the Europeans were maybe more satisfied with the U.S. being more open to the
00:51idea of sort of Article 5-style security guarantees for Ukraine. And then they also discussed more
00:58about the economic development for Ukraine. So, you know, obviously, really, really big picture
01:04topics here that are being discussed, a lot of which has had, you know, a significant amount of
01:08movement in the last few weeks. So, you know, the fact that we've got the, you know, these sides
01:13saying that these were productive, constructive talks does indicate that at the very least, you know,
01:17there does seem to be some negotiation on some of those finer points when it comes to
01:21the main things that we're looking at, you know, this idea of a, you know, multi-point peace plan
01:26and then obviously, you know, also talking, you know, a little bit more about those security
01:30guarantees. Yeah, we also got an offer for trilateral talks that would include the United
01:36States, Ukraine, Russia, possibly the Europeans. Do we have a clear idea if we're at a point now
01:41where that is sort of an appropriate measure? Do we think that can happen or is there any other
01:44kind of sequencing we need to be paying attention to for the next couple of days?
01:47Right. Oliver, I think, you know, it's actually unfortunately still a little bit vague at this
01:53point. So what we heard from Zelensky last Friday as these talks were about to, you know, sort of get
01:58underway was that, you know, he was saying that it was really sort of contingent on how the outcome of
02:03the U.S. Ukraine talks went to, you know, whether or not they thought he thought that they could
02:07actually get to that point where you're looking at some kind of a trilateral. The latest we heard from
02:12Zelensky on Sunday was, you know, effectively that, you know, they were in discussions here. But obviously, you know, as we've
02:17been discussing this idea of, you know, maybe, you know, Russia being the sticking point here, it could be possible that we get
02:24something. But I think at this point, you know, obviously there's still some of these pretty major sticking points.
02:29Zelensky is not willing to give up a lot of these territorial considerations that Russia obviously wants and, you know,
02:35something that the U.S. has been trying to negotiate on. So it does seem like that does continue to be a sticking point. And I haven't
02:41heard anything out of the talk so far, whether this weekend or prior, that really indicate that we've seen any sort of a true
02:47meaningful breakthrough there. Obviously, you know, Donald Trump himself has gotten, you know, incredibly involved in these
02:52kinds of conversations, meeting with Zelensky, meeting with Putin, whether we actually see something that results in sort of that
02:57three-way meeting. I think we just don't really have as much info as we'd really like from the outcome of this meeting, as promising as
03:03it is for them to say that talks have been productive to actually see whether or not we've got a trilateral meeting in short order.
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