Stubb Says He And Meloni Spoke to Trump About Ukraine

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00:00Peace mediation always needs patience.

00:03And of course when you have a 28-point plan, which is put out as a first draft, there's

00:09going to be work to be done.

00:11I think the plan has three levels.

00:14Level number one is Ukraine, what happens to Ukraine, land swaps, etc.

00:20Then level number two is Europe and European security, EU and NATO.

00:25And then level number three is the transatlantic partnership.

00:29So with these things, you know, it takes time.

00:33That's why we have our national security advisors in Geneva today speaking with Foreign Secretary

00:40Rubio, with Andrea Jermak and others.

00:45So you know, one day at a time.

00:47Is there anything specific though you would like to address first?

00:50No, I think, you know, we work on this as a team.

00:53So that's why we had 11 countries from the Coalition of the Willing meeting here in Johannesburg

00:59yesterday, including Canada and Japan, who are strongly committed in finding a just

01:06and lasting peace in Ukraine.

01:09And we work on the text together.

01:11We negotiate together.

01:13And I don't want to lift up any specifics at this stage.

01:15Do you believe this though was Europe being sidelined to a certain extent?

01:19Well, I mean, I guess yes and no is the right answer.

01:23Yes, in the sense that we hadn't seen the document beforehand, but no in the sense that now we're

01:28negotiating and discussing with our American friends and allies.

01:31So I'm not too concerned.

01:33I think quite often in these types of negotiations, you need patience.

01:39You need to be cool.

01:41You need to tone down the emotions.

01:44And I guess to a certain extent be a little bit more Finnish and then you find a solution.

01:48You'll find the finishing line.

01:49But you seem certain that this will not be the final agreement.

01:54Why are you so certain about that?

01:56Well, it's a little, we're here in the G20, right?

01:58And here a document was approved.

02:02The establishment, that document took months.

02:06So it's never the first draft that goes through.

02:09You have to do many different iterations.

02:11I think it doesn't matter whether you're a lawyer or whether you're in the news business.

02:16When you deal with contracts, it takes time.

02:18Does that mean potential discussions with President Trump?

02:20You're known to speak to him often.

02:22Have you spoken to him this weekend?

02:24Well, now that you ask, 10 minutes ago, Prime Minister Meloni and myself spoke with President

02:30Trump.

02:31And what was the progress of those discussions?

02:33It's quite early in the US.

02:36The President of the United States wakes up very early and he works very hard.

02:40And he wanted to talk about the plan and the state of play.

02:43Are there more discussions planned this week?

02:44You mentioned Rubio is in Europe right now.

02:47Yeah, I think right now we hand it over to our national security advisors in Geneva and

02:53Rubio and the Ukrainian team and we see what comes out by the end of the scene.

02:58Okay, so it's unlikely then that this Thursday supposed deadline we'll see a final agreement.

03:03Well, it's difficult.

03:04I don't want to sort of preempt that.

03:07You never know with these kinds of negotiations.

03:10But I think the key right now would be to get a ceasefire and we'll see how things go.

03:16Yeah.

03:17Yeah.

03:19Yep.

03:21I'll see you next time.

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