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I negoziatori di pace di Azerbaigian e Armenia discutono di progetti futuri e stabilità
In un'intervista esclusiva a Euronews, i principali negoziatori di Armenia e Azerbaigian hanno spiegato pubblicamente come un processo di pace un tempo impensabile si sia trasformato in una strategia condivisa per la stabilità e la trasformazione economica.
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In un'intervista esclusiva a Euronews, i principali negoziatori di Armenia e Azerbaigian hanno spiegato pubblicamente come un processo di pace un tempo impensabile si sia trasformato in una strategia condivisa per la stabilità e la trasformazione economica.
ALTRE INFORMAZIONI : http://it.euronews.com/2025/12/10/i-negoziatori-di-pace-di-azerbaigian-e-armenia-discutono-di-progetti-futuri-e-stabilita
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00:00armenia and azerbaijan surprised the world with a historic peace agreement after decades of tragic
00:08war but the secret ingredients to what was called an impossible peace have never been made public
00:14but now euronews has the opportunity to sit down with two of the key actors to discuss it further
00:20in this edition of eurasia talks we're joined by armen gregorian the secretary of the security
00:26council of armenia and hikmet hadjev the assistant to the president of azerbaijan
00:32gentlemen thank you for joining us on this episode of eurasia talks i wanted to begin by asking you
00:41how did your first contacts happen and what made it possible to unblock the standoff that we've been
00:48seeing hikmet thank you uh jane for the opportunity to talk and i remember our first good days when
00:55we come together and discussing our agenda of the peace it was right after the 2020 uh military
01:00engagement uh we in brussels had a good chance to meet and with the support and facilitation of our
01:06eu friends uh but since that time uh opens instruction of our leaders we had a one concrete agenda
01:11how we can advance the peace and also how we can put aside the disagreements that we had together
01:17and azerbaijan that time uh we over again demonstrated our good willingness and also uh initiative
01:23uh about on a peace agenda and with our mayamanian colleagues also through other channels as well
01:29we were discussing advancement of the peace agenda together armen obviously with those um discussions
01:35you know what was it that your leadership and yourselves you know how did you come to the
01:40conclusion that peace was possible both in year one in bako i'm sure the leadership have been
01:48thinking how to bring peace and stability to the region my prime minister have been publicly very
01:55intensively talking how how much our society needs peace and uh we have been seeing that there is the
02:03same will in bako and we have been intensively working to that direction and here uh i think the first
02:12meeting was 21 22 uh between me and hikmet and now we are sitting here and discussing how to
02:20institutionalize the peace how to move forward in that context so the the success is great and we are
02:27also celebrating that we're here at the doha forum and obviously i heard you talking earlier and i think
02:33hikmet you refer to each other as colleagues that's a bold step forward and a real positive thing to use
02:39that terminology with each other in this journey together yeah really indeed uh uh with an armenian
02:46uh side and azerbaijan system of washington we are working on the concrete uh elements of the peace
02:51agenda that we have agreed in washington and azerbaijan demonstrates in a full uh commitment that was
02:56an agenda that we have agreed one of the important topics on our agenda is about in a corridor and again
03:01we do hope that uh within a corridor from azerbaijan side is in a considered and as engaged corridor
03:06and also not a trump corridor where we are working together for an implementation we think that it
03:11will change in a completely uh the uh transport uh map of the eurasian continent and also in armenia
03:18azerbaijan bring us together and working together and will also contribute to build a mutual uh economic
03:23dependence and uh in a broader sense it will also create uh the economic benefits of the peace agenda
03:30for uh both of our countries for our broader region but we also what we understood that and a peace
03:35is like a strategic commodity but we are delivering to the international community
03:39but in the meantime we cannot render ourselves as a comfort zone and we know where to uh institutionalize
03:45and solidify the peace on the ground and to maintain it and also uh to bring it to the future
03:51generations it requires a lot of hard work from both countries and also both societies but in the
03:56meantime what we see about a full uh commitment from our countries to work on that dimension what is the
04:01realistic timeline for finalizing this peace deal the peace deal uh in abu dhabi discussions uh this
04:08year in samma we had a open and broad discussion with an armenian side and my president and armenian
04:13prime minister and also uh delegations that we're attending uh we discussed an important competence
04:19including the uh elements uh that uh still on our agenda outstanding issues i think that we are on the
04:25right track towards and a complete uh you know signing of the uh peace agreement but more than
04:31that what i would like to highlight that we have a real peace on the ground what does an experience
04:35of international community shows that on many post-conflict situations and conflict situations
04:40there are agreements and arrangements on the paper but there is no real peace on the ground but we have
04:44a real peace on the ground de facto peace on the ground we should solidify it and we should strengthen
04:49it and also bring it to the future generations armen how would you describe the political
04:53relationship and atmosphere between the two countries all the agreements that we had anywhere
04:59all of them are in public and uh the peace process uh that uh have been in a process for a long time
05:10i mean bilateral we have been working towards the peace and actually we we will continue working on
05:17that direction uh with azerbaijan first of all to sign the peace agreement and ratify it uh at the same
05:25time we consider unblocking very much important the big beautiful deal that we reached reached in
05:32washington and now we are trying to implement is very much important and part of that deal is uh trump
05:40root for international peace and prosperity the connectivity project that will bring uh
05:46of economic benefit to the region we are working on that direction i hope we are now intensively
05:52discussing with americans uh the project implementation of the trip uh as soon as we finalize we will start
06:02uh implementation project i hope it will be very soon uh and uh after that uh the whole technical
06:11process will start uh and we will work on that direction to unblock the region to open the trip
06:18which is a very huge and very important historical project in our region so we continue to work on that
06:25direction uh the armenia-azerbaijan peace agenda we are also not acting in a diplomatic limbo we are also
06:30uh looking at the international experience and international precedent and good friday agreement between the
06:36in 1998 united kingdom and republic of ireland it also paved the way uh with the recurrent status of the
06:42good relations between the two countries we are also making certain precedent from that arrangements
06:47as well and looking forward for the resolution of one outstanding issue that's still matter of the
06:53concern of azerbaijan side i think that once it's resolved we will not have any longer any stumbling
06:58block on our agenda of the peace but nevertheless let me repeat it over the game that we have a real peace
07:03on the ground and currently working through the parameters of the strengthening of the peace
07:08with world powers competing for massive regional economic opportunities what are your strategies for
07:16each of your countries hikmet really our strategy is that not to make the region of the source caucuses
07:21as an arena of the competition or then a confrontation our agenda is to make the region of the source
07:26caucuses as an arena of the cooperation and engagement and then a partnership think about
07:30armenia azerbaijan peace agenda in the global context of the conflicts and wars at least one success
07:36story one chapter of the conflict is closed there is a real peace on the ground and we are also
07:40inviting all our international partners including the global powers to support our peace agenda on the ground
07:46whether it's in a connectivity projects whether it's in a normalization within the two countries
07:51and also new economic partnerships and as armenia and azerbaijan we are working on the fundamental
07:57concept of the economic benefit of the peace i think whether our international partners can also
08:02contribute to that look uh it's very much important that uh the the peace project is an inclusive process
08:11we don't try to exclude anyone in order to let them to fight it uh so this is very inclusive process
08:18uh in the context of the peace we have suggested the peace crossroad project which is about uh connectivity in
08:25in the region and within that context by the way trip is part for for that project and uh in that context
08:33we are working to implement the project and see the regional uh partners engaging in that and seeing the
08:41unblocking of the region as an inclusive process that's very much important and uh i'm sure that will bring
08:49more stability in the region and we don't see uh our region as a competing place because uh competition
08:59in a good sense of that economic from economic perspective it's good but from other perspectives
09:06sometimes it can very firstly damage to the countries that are living in the region so
09:11a little bit historically speaking the region of the souls caucuses historically and unfortunately it was in a
09:16battle space of the big empires and big powers now uh it's not related to the current state of the
09:22region but now azerbaijan at least from his side and i certainly see the same willingness from the
09:27armenian side as well to transform the region and to make it marketplace investment place for the
09:32cooperation of then everybody what guarantees can you give the people of your countries that this
09:37peace is going to last and their safety i think that uh uh our signature it matters a lot and it was
09:44in front of the international community in oval office my president and he declared azerbaijan's
09:49and over declared and azerbaijan's full commitment to the peace agenda for us wars and a conflict is
09:54over and sovereignty and territorial integrity was a must for azerbaijan it has been restored and
09:59therefore uh such a uh full commitment to the washington uh agenda uh that we have agreed as a
10:06demonstration of our important political will and it's also message to our society and also uh we have
10:12received to listen a message from our society as well right after the washington's there was a huge
10:16jubilation jubilation and also a positive reverberation in azerbaijan society about the peace and people
10:22also supporting that the political uh establishment both in yerevan in baku they have strong will for
10:30the peace uh that was demonstrated before washington but also uh reconfirming once more in washington
10:38showing that there is a political will uh we also see as my colleague hikmet mentioned uh both
10:45in the society in armenia and in azerbaijan there is uh support to the peace we are sure that
10:52implementation of the regional projects like uh trip and other ones will increase uh interdependency and
11:00and strengthen the peace and also uh economic benefits that both societies will have uh it will
11:08have an input in the long run to uh sustain the peace and strengthen the peace we are seeing that
11:14we are moving towards that direction and the proof of that is also that me and hikmet in doha forum also
11:22sitting in your uh studio yes sitting in your studio speaking about the uh economic benefits uh of the
11:33peace signals that uh we will have uh long-term well you have both discussed the importance of that trip
11:40to washington and there's a very famous handshake in front of president trump what was the atmosphere
11:47like in that room could you have heard a pin drop you know what what was the feeling it was really i
11:53can as far as i can remember it was really jubilee's atmosphere yeah and for the uh you know last 30
11:58years and both of our countries suffered from the conflict and the war and our peoples also now
12:02suffered and finally we put a final nail to the corner to the coffin of this conflict it's now over
12:08and it was also once again a demonstration of then a stronger political will and firm will
12:13and in this case we also highly appreciate the role of the president trump and american administration
12:18they also put in a political weight of the american government on the peace agenda in the same manner
12:24it also had a huge reverberation and spirit of the washington has a huge reverberation in
12:28azerbaijan society nevertheless there wasn't a time uh difference between the bakwa and washington
12:34this is a time but entire azerbaijan society uh was waiting for that and they were celebrating in
12:39social media in media in azerbaijan in a sense it's coincided uh it was in a public uh you know
12:45jubilation and also official uh full commitment of uh azerbaijanic government it was on a peace agenda
12:50think about one chapter of the conflict on the international stage is over amen was it the
12:55same for armenia it was a celebration day and uh you know it's a big beautiful deal because
13:02everyone benefited from that armenia benefited azerbaijan benefited united states benefited and
13:08international community i'm sure in the long run will benefit that's why it's a deal because all
13:14sides benefited and it was a celebration as sigmit mentioned the time change time difference between
13:22yerevan and washington is similar as in bako and people were staying late night in order to watch that
13:29and i would be very frank i have received so many messages uh in my whatsapp and other application
13:36people saying me thank you and celebrating that uh it was very much obvious also in social media as
13:43you can see that people are uh celebrate yes there are people who have been also skeptic yeah but the
13:50most important thing is that uh most of them most of the public have been celebrating and uh after that we
13:59are seeing that uh the continuation of the dialogue uh the continuation of the positive messages for
14:06example after the washington meeting both vice prime minister of armenia and azerbaijan visited both
14:14armenia to azerbaijan lately uh our vice prime minister gregorian visited to gabala region and had a meeting there so all of
14:23these are signals and public are are receiving it also positively and moving towards the peace and
14:30i'm sure in the long run people will also see the benefits of that economic benefits of the peace we're
14:37here as we mentioned in doha and the qatari government have been very heavily involved in negotiations and
14:44mediations internationally you know how important and where do you see the future of that international
14:51involvement going in terms of you know the qataris the eu um and the u.s well we appreciate all
14:59international efforts that uh contributes to the peace agenda but what was in the beauty of armenia
15:04azerbaijan agenda is that it wasn't a bilateral process there wasn't a complete belief in the two
15:10capitals that first baku and yerevan we need a peace and we need a peace for our future generations for
15:16our peoples and we started our active bilateral diplomatic engagement it also brought us to the
15:22washington discussions and some other agendas that we have again we can highly appreciate the role of
15:27the international community all of our partners but armenia azerbaijan i'm sure that based on the
15:32confidence that we are trying to build and based on the mechanisms of the interaction we built will
15:37continue to advance on our bilateral peace building agenda we very much appreciate international
15:42community support but without that bilateral thing that was very strong and i'm sure that um abu dhabi
15:51leaders meeting uh paved way for the washington meeting and that was a very great success in that context
15:59and we very much appreciate also international communities uh engagement we are here in doha forum
16:06meeting with having panel and also sitting down in this studio speaking to the public and sending uh
16:14positive messages in overall uh that's also an effort coming from the qataris and they are very much
16:20helpful and we very much i'm sure i'm speaking on both of us that we very much appreciate that qataris
16:27gave this platform to us uh to speak also publicly and that's very much important it's been a real symbolism
16:35of hope what message do you think what you have achieved is giving to those around the world who
16:42are in war with at war with each other well it's always difficult to provide your own uh advice but
16:48we can provide our own uh example uh uh and here i think that both of the countries we demonstrated
16:55leading by example and there wasn't a really difficult and bloody war between the two countries
17:00and last 30 years two countries suffered from the deficit of the security
17:04and the deficit of the peace but with a political uh will and demonstration of the firm and stronger
17:10political will peace is achievable and as a result of the just peace has been ensured between armenia
17:16and azerbaijan now is enough time and also work of the two governments and two two peoples to make
17:21a long-lasting and irreversible peace on the agenda on the global agenda and also regional agenda therefore
17:27peace is doable peace is achievable and it also requires uh full commitment to the norms and principles of
17:33of international law and providing legality and legitimacy between the countries yeah it's very
17:38difficult to find two conflicts that are uh totally similar but you can find always some similarities and
17:46one of the important thing was that uh strong will both in yervana in baku was very much helpful in
17:53moving towards the peace uh the leadership in both countries have been intensively working
17:59even though a lot of difficulties you can imagine and in all conflicts it's very difficult to move
18:04forward because uh of the problem also of trust in all conflicts sides don't trust each other
18:12uh but we have been working towards this uh as in uh famous music it said another brick to the wall uh in
18:22positive sense of that quote uh we have been working towards that uh trying to build that uh wall of
18:29trust uh trying to work to move in that direction that was very much helpful bilaterally creating that trust
18:37and then also international community support if you could send one message to the people of your
18:44neighboring country what would that be to continue working on strengthening the peace between uh armenia
18:53and azerbaijan yes we went through the conflict we went through the pain uh both of us and uh we need
19:03to understand also that there is a chance of peace we have uh both to work on this direction uh institutionalize
19:13the peace and work on that direction and also uh see the benefits of the peace
19:21pigment what would you send as your message to your neighboring people in armenia from a for azerbaijan
19:28war and conflict is over currently azerbaijan works on the peace and we are uh sure and hopeful that
19:35there will be irreversible peace between the two countries and it will be eternal for the future
19:40generations of the both countries and still we have a certain balance uh we understand that and we
19:45are adamant of the fact but we should look into the future hikmat armen thank you so much for
19:50joining us on eurasia talks on euru news what a pleasure to see you both here today thank you so
19:54much thank you so much thank you so much thank you so much thank you thanks for having us you're very
19:56welcome
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