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00:00Welcome to Sorry I Didn't Know.
00:15I'm your host, Tuzi Akadulu, your artistic adjudicator
00:18in this Olympics of black history.
00:21Join me as we throw the javelins of justice,
00:23jump the hurdles of hatred, and place our pioneers
00:26in their rightful spot on the podium of pride.
00:30This is History with a Touch of Colour.
00:35To my right, passing the torch of our ancestors,
00:39it's Richard Blackwood!
00:44Who's joining you tonight, Rich?
00:46With me tonight is a presenter who started her career
00:48on children's TV 25 years ago.
00:53There was definitely something in the water back then
00:55because she looks the same age.
00:57It's Angelica Bell, ladies and gentlemen.
00:59CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:03And to my right, he has amassed over 130 million views
01:08with his diary of a bad man series on YouTube.
01:11But he's not even a bad man.
01:12Right?
01:13Give it up to Hamza Ashad.
01:15CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:18And to my left, in a triple somersault with Pike,
01:23it's Eddie Caddy!
01:24CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:25CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:26CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:27Who's helping you out today, Ed?
01:30Thank you, cheers.
01:31Now, my team is a commuter who's also a Sunday Times bestseller
01:35with her book, Am I Having Fun Now?
01:37It's the hilarious, and also the person with the best shoe game,
01:41Susie Ruff in the building.
01:43CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:44And not content with just being funny,
01:48also joining me is another comedian who got the golden buzzer
01:50on Britain's Got Talent back in 2017.
01:54It's Daliso Chaponda, my guy.
01:57CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:58Susie, it's been a while since you were on the show.
02:02Yes.
02:03How have you been since we last saw you?
02:05Yeah, really good, thanks. Really good.
02:06I'm out on a new stand-up tour, and as Eddie mentioned,
02:09I've just had a book come out, which is very exciting.
02:12It's good times. I can't complain.
02:14I mean, I could, but I won't.
02:15LAUGHTER
02:16So, Lisa, you are a comedian but come from a family of politicians.
02:20Is it all serious chat whenever you're around to people?
02:23No, because my family are politicians,
02:26but they are African politicians.
02:28In fact, a lot of you have heard of my dad.
02:31You just wouldn't have known he's my dad.
02:33My dad was Minister of Agriculture of Malawi
02:36and became the viral internet sensation
02:38famous for trying to ban farting.
02:42What?
02:42What?
02:43There was a misunderstanding, of course.
02:46They're trying to stop people from burning trash.
02:49In the press conference, he says,
02:50we need to stop this. It causes noxious fumes.
02:54One of the reporters said, like farting,
02:55he said, yes, and within 20 minutes, it was global.
02:59It was on Twitter.
03:00Oh, my God.
03:00It was on Facebook.
03:02It was on Reddit.
03:03Malawi politician trying to ban farting.
03:06At least Malawi smells wonderful.
03:08LAUGHTER
03:09Hamza.
03:10Yes.
03:11Your YouTube series, Diary of a Bad Man,
03:13is coming back for the final time.
03:15How did you come up with that character?
03:17I don't know.
03:17I just looked at people around me, I guess.
03:19A lot of my friends, they would act like a bad boy,
03:21trying to say, oh, I'm part of a gang, I'm this, I'm that,
03:24I beat this guy.
03:25And I always used to be like, you're lying.
03:27I've seen you get slapped up by your mum 17 times
03:30in the last four days.
03:31I think that character, we all know a bad man.
03:34I want to be a bad man.
03:35So a lot of people could relate to it because they're like,
03:38we know someone like that from the end.
03:39So it was just how it happened.
03:41Fabulous.
03:42Yeah.
03:42Angelica.
03:43Hi.
03:44You've been in the game 25 years.
03:46Yeah.
03:46And is it true that Moira Stewart gave you some advice?
03:48Oh, my goodness.
03:48So in television centre at that time,
03:50there wasn't many black people knocking about
03:52and Moira Stewart was an icon.
03:54And I remember Moira going, come, come here, come here.
03:56And she took me to one side and she was like,
03:59darling, remember, I'm here for you.
04:02She turned into...
04:04What?
04:04Moira Stewart!
04:05In our business, we will be there for each other.
04:08I would have loved to see I do the news like that.
04:10Oh, my God, exactly.
04:11Yeah, today's been a mad day.
04:15Go on a leap of trouble.
04:17I will.
04:19Please give it up for our amazing guests.
04:27This round is called Get My Game.
04:30I'll show the teams an image of one of our celebrated superstars
04:33and they have to tell me who our game changers of history are.
04:37OK, feet on the buzzers.
04:39Teams, can you tell me who this person is?
04:43Susie.
04:44Is it the new Netflix series Queen Charlotte the Petriars?
04:52Eddie.
04:53This is the original Destiny's Child.
04:55We don't need no man.
04:57I can buy my own car.
05:00Richard.
05:01The woman that's driving is saying, if you feel say you're bad, walk across the road.
05:08Susie, Fast and Furious, the prequel.
05:12Oh, my God.
05:14Delisa.
05:15Is this the cast of Chitty Chitty Bling Bling?
05:17I don't know, maybe the first ever original Uber driver.
05:28The one who invented the carpool, maybe.
05:29I don't know.
05:31You're going to have some black women say,
05:32Wimsy?
05:35Really?
05:35We look like cab drivers to you.
05:36And then you've got the white woman in the back.
05:40Actually, she is a Uber driver.
05:44Eddie.
05:45I know who that is.
05:46Who is it?
05:46I think she had a hair company.
05:50There's a movie about a Madam C.J. Walker.
05:52That's correct.
05:53Yes.
05:53The bus behind the steering wheel is businesswoman and philanthropist Madam C.J. Walker.
06:01Long before Oprah, she was recorded as the first female self-made millionaire in America,
06:06making her fortune from a line of cosmetics and hair products.
06:10Do you know who this is?
06:13I'm sorry.
06:14The person who designed Croydon Westfield.
06:19The background looks like Wakanda or something like that.
06:23Susie.
06:25Is it the new line-up of Star Trek?
06:28Oh.
06:29I'm just going from the picture to the background.
06:30Do you know how probably close...
06:31She's a scientist of some description, isn't she?
06:34Yes!
06:35I'm going to have to slip in because I've actually interviewed her.
06:37Oh.
06:38Right, tell us.
06:39Maggie Adarine-Pocock.
06:42That is correct.
06:43Yes.
06:46She is an icon.
06:48She is absolutely incredible.
06:50Yeah.
06:50This amazing lady is Dr. Maggie Adarine-Pocock, space scientist and presenter of The Sky at Night.
06:57Dr. Maggie uses her platform to inspire women and girls into careers in STEM.
07:02And in 2024, she was made a dame for her services to science, education and diversity.
07:08Yeah.
07:08She's a legend.
07:13Next picture.
07:13Can you tell me who this is?
07:17That's a picture of my dad saying, one day, you two, you are going to suffer like me.
07:24Hands up.
07:24The face my dad makes when I ask him if I can choose my own wife.
07:32Is it the picture that you do when a photographer says, okay, now let's have something sassy?
07:39Do it now, do it now, do it now.
07:42Oh, yeah.
07:44You're right, this is Richard Blackwood.
07:51No, the answer is...
07:53This is Harold Moody, a doctor who studied medicine at King's College in 1904.
07:58A colour bar in London at the time meant that Harold was refused work at a hospital,
08:02so he started his own practice in Peckham, achieving huge success before going into politics.
08:07Oh.
08:08Who is this young lady?
08:15Suzy.
08:15Is it the first person to say, I'd like to speak to the manager?
08:20It has that look.
08:21It has that look.
08:22Yeah.
08:23Is it the manager?
08:27She's the first independent black woman ever.
08:30Interesting.
08:31Interesting.
08:31This is going to be bizarre, but I remember her face, but I think she was like,
08:37possibly going to be the replacement of Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Caribbean.
08:41Oh, my gosh.
08:41Oh, my gosh.
08:42Because...
08:42No, because I just remember her...
08:46No, I'm telling you, like, with, like, a pirate hat and a hook and something.
08:50I'm a pirate image.
08:52You're looking at me like I'm crazy, but...
08:54Yeah, because you are crazy.
08:55Guys, honestly, it's not that bad.
08:57It comes from a country where the president's banned farting.
09:00So, you know...
09:00Sure, yeah.
09:01I understand, my brother.
09:02Angelica.
09:03Is she a businesswoman or politician or a barrister?
09:07She's one of them.
09:08She is...
09:09Politician?
09:09No, I think she's a barrister.
09:11She's not.
09:12MP?
09:13A mayor?
09:14MP?
09:14Yes.
09:15I'm going to give you the answer.
09:16Oh, well done.
09:16What a guess.
09:17Well done.
09:18This is Princess Bright, the newly appointed mayor of the London borough of Barking and Daggett.
09:23Really?
09:24Pirates!
09:25Wait, I'm vindicated!
09:26I'm vindicated!
09:27Put that picture back!
09:29No, no, put that picture back!
09:32Jack Sparrow!
09:36Jack Sparrow, I'm telling you, you people judge my country, you judge my brave, Jack Sparrow,
09:45100%.
09:46Okay, this is Princess Bright.
09:50At the age of just 29, she is the youngest black woman to hold the office in the UK.
09:54And at the end of that round, the winners are Richard's team!
10:05Next up, it's I Didn't Say That, the round where some might say we actually listen to black
10:10voices, unlike the mainstream media.
10:13You'll see a quote from a cultural icon, but it's missing the final part.
10:17All our teams have to do is finish the quote.
10:20Eddie, we will start with your team.
10:22Identity is not about what you can see, but blank.
10:26It's about what the immigration officer sees on his screen.
10:30Identity is not about what you can see, but whether you know that.
10:35It's not plantain, it's plantain.
10:40Identity is not about what you can see, but who you are.
10:44It's very close.
10:45Who you are, or about your soul, or about...
10:48What you represent, what you believe, what you stand for.
10:51Your beliefs, your aspirations, how you see life, your vision.
10:57You get a point.
10:58The full quote is, identity is not about what you can see, but what you can express.
11:04Writer and broadcaster, Afua Hirsch.
11:07Richardson, your quote is, you must always remember blank.
11:12Wow.
11:13You must always remember to wash your underwear before you leave the house.
11:18No, don't you remember?
11:19Your mum said, make sure you have clean underwear.
11:20Yeah.
11:21Just in case you get run over.
11:22Yeah.
11:23Like the nurse is going to go, I was going to help you, but...
11:26LAUGHTER
11:27You must always remember that your mum's slipper has range.
11:33Yeah.
11:34Yeah.
11:35Think profound.
11:36I don't know the quote properly, but I'm going to try.
11:39You must remember that if you lead, somebody will always follow you.
11:45Yes.
11:45Ja!
11:46Rutherford, all right.
11:47LAUGHTER
11:48I'm going to give you...
11:51What?
11:51It's not 100%, but it's very close.
11:53What?
11:53Maybe your point.
11:54Yes.
11:54Wow.
11:54The answer is, you must always remember that to lead,
11:58one must first learn to follow.
12:00Yes.
12:00It was said by the great Haile Selassie,
12:06the founder of the Rastafarian movement.
12:09Wow.
12:10Yeah.
12:10Eddie, your team's quote is,
12:13you have to be true to yourself because blank.
12:15Wait.
12:16Look, I don't know what wise person said this,
12:19but this is nonsense, okay?
12:20You must be true to yourself if you're intelligent,
12:23if you're attractive,
12:24but if you are not these things, lie to yourself.
12:27LAUGHTER
12:28Oh!
12:30You must...
12:30Oh!
12:31She's constipated, that means it's good.
12:33LAUGHTER
12:34You must be true to yourself because everyone else is taken.
12:39It's very close.
12:40Because that's your only choice?
12:42That's who you are?
12:43Accept it?
12:44Do you know what?
12:44I think I'm going to give it to you.
12:45I'm going to give you a point.
12:46I'm going to give you a point.
12:46Yeah.
12:47I'm going to give you a point.
12:47Yeah.
12:48I'm going to give you a point.
12:49I'm going to give you a point.
12:49Yeah.
12:50I'm going to give you a point.
12:50The full quote is,
12:52you have to be true to yourself because if you're not,
12:54no one else will be.
12:55That's what I said.
12:56Yes.
12:56That's what I said.
12:57You heard it, didn't you?
12:58That's what I said, yeah.
13:02Wise words from Baroness, Floella, Benjamin.
13:05Ah.
13:05Yeah.
13:06Richard, this one's for you.
13:08Go for it.
13:08We're not the problem.
13:10We're blank.
13:11We're not the problem with the people who bring snacks to the cinema.
13:14No.
13:15Well, OK, it's a black person referring to a black situation, OK?
13:20Do you know what?
13:21I'm going to give you just a little clue because I think it's a bit misleading.
13:24We're not the problem we are.
13:25It's, we're not the problem, we are.
13:34So, we're not the problem, we're not something.
13:38The solution?
13:39The solution.
13:40No, I'm going to have to give you the answer.
13:42We're not the problem, we're not aggressive, we are passionate.
13:45Said by the ultra-passionate Stormzy.
13:52And the winner of that round is...
13:54Eddie's team!
14:00It's time to go to the ad now, but before we go, here's a little teaser for you.
14:04I'm going to show you three powerful, incredible, beautiful, inspiring women.
14:08The producer's words, not mine.
14:10Here they are.
14:12Oh.
14:14Is that me at the end?
14:15Oh, my gosh, what a surprise.
14:17That's so touching.
14:19So, what do we three have in common?
14:23See you after the break.
14:24Welcome back to Sorry I Didn't Know.
14:39Before the break, I asked you what Diane Abbott, Beverly Knight and moi have in common.
14:44We're all firsts.
14:46Diane Abbott became the first black woman elected to Parliament in 1987.
14:49Beverly Knight is the first black British woman to play leading roles in musicals The Bodyguard and Sylvia in The West End.
14:56And I, as it turns out, am the first black female host of a comedy panel show series.
15:02CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
15:03Now, for our next round, she's strength and soul, rhythm and roots.
15:16She carries history on her back and the future in her hands.
15:19This is Mama Africa.
15:22CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
15:23Thank you, guys.
15:30For this round, our teams will be asked questions based on the continent of Africa.
15:34The theme of tonight's round is fashion.
15:37Good luck, Eddie.
15:39Aww.
15:40Richard, you are up first.
15:44And your question is, where is the largest population of the blue people?
15:50Bruh.
15:50Um...
15:51What?
15:52You can sit this one out.
15:53LAUGHTER
15:54What, the avatars are what?
15:57Oh, shit.
15:59No, we...
16:00Don't worry.
16:00OK.
16:01Just enjoy the show.
16:01Listen, what are we going to do?
16:02LAUGHTER
16:03Now, I would say, when it comes to fashion, this is just my sort of limited knowledge, Nigeria don't play when it comes to fashion.
16:11Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:12True.
16:12So, if there's going to be fashion, they would have it there.
16:16I'm going to say Nigeria.
16:17LAUGHTER
16:18Don't get it wrong.
16:25Like, when we think about North Africa, no one up this way really is doing the fashion thing.
16:33Right?
16:34Like, you don't go rah, that man from Libya, the swag.
16:37Right?
16:39LAUGHTER
16:40Do we go rah?
16:41Where are you going from?
16:42Libya.
16:42We don't do that.
16:44Right?
16:45So, what do you reckon?
16:46You reckon Nigeria?
16:47Yeah.
16:47I'm going to go with Nigeria.
16:48Look at the thing you're putting in there.
16:50Yeah, so, I'm here.
16:51Yeah, yeah, just look at what you're putting in there.
16:53The blue people.
16:53So, boom.
16:54Even though he does look Moroccan and North African, right?
16:58But because we...
16:59Ooh, let me see that.
17:00It does look North African.
17:02Ooh.
17:02Maybe we should stop because actually...
17:05LAUGHTER
17:05Do you know what?
17:07To be honest, I think you should carry on.
17:09LAUGHTER
17:10Because I want to see you on the land in Africa of all these words.
17:16You have been finished?
17:16No, here's the thing.
17:18Now, Libya feels about right.
17:20LAUGHTER
17:21LAUGHTER
17:22LAUGHTER
17:23LAUGHTER
17:24LAUGHTER
17:25LAUGHTER
17:26So, which one are we going to go with?
17:28Not Morocco.
17:29It's either Libya or Egypt.
17:31You know, when I saw that picture,
17:33I think that, I mean, Morocco,
17:35they know how to dress.
17:36Yeah, yeah, they do.
17:36Morocco, they cast a blank, all of that.
17:38I'm thinking about Morocco or not even Algeria.
17:41I'm thinking Morocco.
17:41Yeah, I think so as well, actually.
17:44Yeah, are we locking in?
17:45We're locking in.
17:45Yeah.
17:46Yeah, Morocco, Morocco.
17:47I'm feeling there's blue, I'm feeling that there's strong colours.
17:50Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:51You know...
17:52Good vibe.
17:53Eddie's team.
17:53Oh, finally we got here.
17:56We know it's North Africa.
17:57Yeah, we know it's North Africa.
17:58We know it's the Sahara region.
18:00Yeah, you're not wearing that when you're not in the desert.
18:02I think it's Morocco.
18:03I do think it's Morocco.
18:04I do think it's Morocco.
18:05I would say Morocco.
18:07Oh.
18:08Oh.
18:08So we're both saying Morocco, yeah?
18:10As a Jamaican, I'm saying it.
18:11I don't know what you're saying.
18:13The correct country is Niger.
18:16Niger.
18:16Oh!
18:18Known for their indigo dyed garments,
18:20the blue people of the Tuareg are residents of Niger
18:22and make up 11% of the country.
18:26Eddie's team.
18:27Which African country has fibulae as its traditional jewellery?
18:31Mm.
18:32Fibulae.
18:33Fibulae.
18:35Fibulae.
18:37Again, it must be in the North.
18:39Mm.
18:40No?
18:40Fibulae.
18:41Yeah, it sounds French.
18:43French.
18:43French.
18:43Yeah, so I think it's...
18:44So it could be in the North, but it could also be West.
18:46How about, like, Senegal or something?
18:50It's going to be French in it.
18:51So it could be Senegal.
18:52It could be Cote d'Ivoire.
18:54We'll go for Senegal.
18:55It sounds French.
18:58Yeah, so we're going to go.
18:59So I'm just going to pass you, madame.
19:00Please.
19:01Richard, if you don't mind,
19:02I'm on my way to Senegal.
19:03Girl, please.
19:06Richard, what do your team think?
19:08Thank you, Chizzy.
19:09What do you feel like?
19:10That's a great question, Richard.
19:11Um...
19:12LAUGHTER
19:13I'd say that Cote d'Ivoire, wherever that is.
19:17I was thinking about that.
19:18Yeah, because it sounds bit posh, so they must have diamonds and stuff.
19:22I think it's obviously that one.
19:25It's obvious.
19:28It's too obvious.
19:29It might not be it.
19:30It's too obvious.
19:31LAUGHTER
19:32I don't know.
19:34I initially thought Senegal, that was my first instinct,
19:36because I definitely know it's, you know, French-speaking,
19:38I've been there and stuff, so...
19:40LAUGHTER
19:41Senegal.
19:43So, you've both gone for Senegal.
19:45Yeah.
19:45The correct country is Morocco.
19:47Oh!
19:48This ancient Berber jewellery and the fibulae symbol
19:51represents freedom by the Imazighen tribes of North Africa.
19:55They vary greatly in design to reflect the wearer's wealth and style.
19:59So, n'il point.
20:01Richard's team, here is your question.
20:04Which country is known for its fermented mud fabric?
20:07Wow.
20:07Really?
20:09LAUGHTER
20:10OK, how are you feeling about this one, Hamza?
20:14Very good question again.
20:16LAUGHTER
20:17From my knowledge, I think Egypt,
20:22because pyramids, there must be mud there.
20:25LAUGHTER
20:26I mean, I thought it was more sand, but, I mean...
20:30They've got everything, mate.
20:31LAUGHTER
20:32What about Ethiopia?
20:34Because there's mud there.
20:36Well...
20:36LAUGHTER
20:37All right, this one I'm going to do. Ready?
20:40You're just going to throw it at Fisbee.
20:43What about...
20:44Malawi!
20:46LAUGHTER
20:47Is there mud there?
20:48We got a lake, we got mud.
20:49OK.
20:50Eddie?
20:51Is there mud there?
20:52Did you hear the president talk about fermented?
20:53LAUGHTER
20:55Have you got any feeling, maybe?
20:57I would have felt Madagascar or something.
20:59Oh, that is so.
21:01Again, it's a mad guess, but I'm just saying...
21:03It could be Madagascar.
21:04Could be Madagascar.
21:05Somewhere a little bit off.
21:07A bit off.
21:08A lot of water.
21:09Grape film.
21:10Grape film.
21:12LAUGHTER
21:13LAUGHTER
21:14There's a lot of mud here.
21:18LAUGHTER
21:19Muddy waters.
21:21LAUGHTER
21:22Let's reveal the answer.
21:25It's Mali.
21:26Which is sort of like Malawi.
21:28LAUGHTER
21:29Historically worn by tribal women as skirts or shawls,
21:36the traditional clothing known as bogolofini
21:38has been embraced as a symbol of Malian cultural identity
21:42worn at events like burials, childbirth, and pre-marriage.
21:46And for that round, it's a draw.
21:49Oh, yeah.
21:49APPLAUSE
21:50We've almost come to the end of the show,
22:00which means it's time for some general choppiness.
22:03I'm going to ask some quickfire questions
22:06and teams will buzz in when they have the answer,
22:08or think they do.
22:09Let's go.
22:10In which decade did Elizabeth Welch become the first black broadcaster
22:13to have a series on BBC Radio?
22:15Angelica.
22:16In its 30s.
22:17Yes, correct.
22:17Yes.
22:18What is the name of the author who wrote the book,
22:20I Know Why, The Caged Bird Sings?
22:22Susie.
22:23Maya Angelou.
22:24Correct.
22:25Who is the Yorkshire-born boxer who won gold at the Olympics in 2012?
22:29Angelica.
22:30Nicola Adam.
22:31Correct.
22:31What is the name of the hairstyle that was popularised
22:34during the civil rights movement?
22:36De Lusso.
22:36That's right.
22:37Correct.
22:38Who was the first black British female artist to win a Brit Award?
22:41Oh.
22:42Richard.
22:43I want to say Shola Amar.
22:45Incorrect.
22:46Angelica.
22:47Was it Shirley Bassey?
22:48Correct.
22:48Oh, well, thank you for saving me.
22:49Who is the first UK grime emcee to win a Grammy?
22:53So solid.
22:55No, incorrect.
22:56Oh.
22:56Eddie.
22:56Slow down.
22:57Correct.
22:58Oh, yes.
22:58Who serves as the final mayor of Bristol?
23:01I don't know.
23:02That one.
23:02It was Marvin Rees.
23:06Good for him.
23:14And at the end of that round, it's a draw.
23:18Which means tonight's winner, it's a draw.
23:22Thank you to the teams for joining us tonight.
23:29Tanza Arshad.
23:30Tanza Arshad.
23:32Angelica Bell.
23:34Team leader, Richard Blackwood.
23:37Susie Ruffell.
23:39Daliso Chapunda.
23:41And team leader, Eri Kadhi.
23:43It's time to say goodbye, but thank you for being part of this journey.
23:50It's important that we, all of us, help each other and use what we have to lift others,
23:55to bridge gaps in society and make sure that no matter who or where you are,
24:01we all have the chance to be happy.
24:04So let's go forth and be happy.
24:06Good night.
24:06APPLAUSE
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