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00:00So welcome to the show!
00:02Hey, we have got another great show for you tonight.
00:05I couldn't be happier if I was Lisa Riley singing Fish and Chips on I'm a Celebrity.
00:11That is very happy.
00:12Hey, great guest for you, singing for us later.
00:15Look over there, it's Kat Burns!
00:19She'll be performing her latest single, There's Just Something About Her.
00:24And we'll be reuniting Kat with an old friend tonight.
00:27Because first on my sofa, this comedian recently went from beloved national treasure to beloved two-faced murderer
00:34when he won the smash hit series of celebrity traitors.
00:37Now preparing for a brand new comedy tour, am I said too much?
00:41It's Alan Carr!
00:48Hello!
00:49Lovely to see you!
00:50Lovely to see you!
00:51You're in a laugh, a laugh of honour.
00:57He's an Emmy award-winning comedian, writer and host who made his name on Saturday Night Live
01:03and now fronts the US talk show Late Night with Seth Meyers.
01:07It is Mr. Seth Meyers!
01:09CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:11Oh!
01:12Beautiful!
01:13Hello, sir, and lovely to see you, Seth Allen.
01:16Alan Seth!
01:17At the age of 37, she became New Zealand's youngest female crime minister
01:24and led her nation through a terrorist attack and the global pandemic.
01:27Now, she tells her story in the new documentary, Prime Minister.
01:31Please welcome, Jacinda Ardern!
01:34CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:36Oh!
01:37So glittery, so show-busy!
01:41Ooh!
01:42Ooh!
01:43Come in!
01:44Seth Allen, Jacinda!
01:47And she's the Oscar, BAFTA and Emmy-winning star of Titanic,
01:51Mare of Easttown and festive favourite The Holiday.
01:54Now, she's directing as well as starring in the poignant Christmas drama Goodbye June.
01:59It is a very warm welcome back to Kate Winslet!
02:03CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:06Can I make a move?
02:08Can I make a move?
02:09Can I make a move?
02:10Can I make a move?
02:11Can I make a move?
02:12Can you step?
02:13Well, you are amazing!
02:14Come in!
02:15Kate, Jacinda, Beth, I'm amazing!
02:18Jacinda, Kate!
02:20Hello, everybody!
02:21Hi!
02:22Hi!
02:23This is unlike you, Kate.
02:24Well, I normally come a bit business-y and play it safe and I thought,
02:28you know what, it's Graham, I'm 50, I look amazing.
02:31Go for it!
02:32Yeah!
02:33CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:36Is there a lot of talcum powder involved in this film?
02:39Actually, no.
02:40Slightly wishing there was.
02:41OK!
02:42To be honest.
02:43Getting it off, you'll definitely wish there had been.
02:44I think so.
02:45Peeling.
02:46So, welcome back, Kate.
02:48Welcome back to Alan.
02:50And for the first time, Seth and Jacinda.
02:52Lovely to see you both.
02:53That's right.
02:54Very good.
02:55You fulfilled your promise to me when you were a guest on my show.
02:57Somebody said I'd say that to you.
02:58Did I really say you...
02:59Oh, my God, you can't even remember the promise, you know?
03:01No.
03:02No.
03:03You know, after you left the room, everybody said he won't remember a word he said to you.
03:07That's true.
03:08Yeah.
03:09But, no, I'm glad I didn't break my promise.
03:11Obviously, I promised you'd be a guest on my show because I was a guest on your show.
03:13Yeah, and here we are.
03:14I'm thrilled.
03:15Here you are.
03:16I'm thrilled to be here.
03:17Well, no, we're delighted you're here.
03:18And Jacinda, gorgeous to see you.
03:19Well, do you know what?
03:20It's just lovely to have a New Zealander on the sofa rather than on the red chair.
03:25Telling a vile story.
03:26I will admit that when your producer called, I did clarify which seat I would be in.
03:32Yeah.
03:33It feels like it's part of national service in New Zealand.
03:36You must go abroad and tell a story about shitting yourself.
03:38When you leave, we check your passport.
03:40We check that you've got a good set of yarns.
03:43But it's something about New Zealanders.
03:45They do tell a good yarn.
03:47They really do.
03:48And, you know, they're shameless as well.
03:51There's that.
03:52And, Kate, there's a kind of New Zealand connection because you started your film career in New Zealand.
03:58Yes, I did.
03:59I did.
04:00The first film I ever did when I was 17 years old was filmed in New Zealand, directed by Peter Jackson.
04:05We were just backstage saying we're going to end up talking about Peter Jackson.
04:08Well, we are.
04:09Because before politics came a-call in, you tried to work with Peter Jackson in New Zealand.
04:14I guess technically I did.
04:15I auditioned for...
04:16Did you actually?
04:17I did.
04:18Brilliant!
04:19I did.
04:20Half of New Zealand auditioned just to be...
04:23And half of New Zealand starred except for me.
04:26I did.
04:27What was it?
04:28Too tall?
04:29What was the problem?
04:30That's what I told myself.
04:31I auditioned to be an extra as a hobbit.
04:34Oh.
04:35Because I lived, I grew up quite close to Hobbiton where they did all the filming.
04:41It's not a real place.
04:42It is.
04:43You didn't just believe it exists.
04:44I also believe it exists.
04:45Well, you're wrong.
04:46I know.
04:47I think it would have been fun if there was just one tall hobbit in the background.
04:52As I recall, they had a five foot seven ruler against the doorway.
05:01And as I walked in, I just...
05:03Yeah.
05:04A little bit of limbo.
05:05I did a little limbo and then I got as far as the forms.
05:08And I do remember they asked, can you ride a horse bareback?
05:13And can you joust?
05:15Oh.
05:16And I could ride beer back because New Zealand.
05:19But the jousting I fell shy on.
05:21I don't remember any jousting in that film.
05:23There wasn't.
05:24Obviously, nobody, everyone went, no.
05:28They needed at least two.
05:31Yeah.
05:32Now, Alan, I have to say, huge congratulations on celebrity traders.
05:36Oh.
05:37I mean, it was amazing.
05:38There you are.
05:39I love that picture.
05:41I love it.
05:43I did some extra filming for it and they went, oh, Alan, do the face.
05:48When I put the...
05:49Dude, that's my face.
05:50That's not a face.
05:51Do the face.
05:52And I knew because I watched the first episode and my phone was pinging and like,
05:58you know, when you're in the middle aisle at Lidl, when you're going to Greg's for the last sausage roll.
06:04I was being...
06:05Yeah, manipulated.
06:06And I was saying to you about to say, it's that thing, you know, you're on television a lot.
06:11Mm.
06:12And so you kind of think, I am known.
06:14But then being the star of the biggest show, the most talked about show, it must feel different.
06:20Yeah.
06:21And people go, oh, Alan, isn't he funny?
06:23I've been on telly for 25 years.
06:25I must have been awful.
06:27But you know the funny thing and they never kept it in.
06:31And I just felt really proud, just like outwitting all these clever people.
06:35And Stephen Fry was at the round table and he went, who can the traitors be?
06:41Now, remember the Cambridge spies.
06:43They were flamboyant.
06:44They were camp.
06:45They were out there.
06:46But no one spotted them.
06:47And I was obviously going, mm, I know.
06:49And are you, are you tired of it yet or are you still...
06:56Sick of it.
06:58Well, you say sick of it.
07:00Oh, I know what you're saying.
07:01Yeah, we've got a clip of you out and about in Soho.
07:04Oh, please don't talk to me about celebrity traitors.
07:06Oh.
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07:23Listen, we've got lots to talk about tonight.
07:25Let's get started with Kate Winslet's new movie.
07:27It is called Goodbye June.
07:29And it's in select UK cinemas from the 12th of December and on Netflix from Christmas Eve.
07:34And this is a proper Winslet production.
07:37You star and you direct.
07:39But I think the most fascinating thing is that your son...
07:42Yes.
07:43...wrote this.
07:44And what strikes me is it's not a story you imagine a 19-year-old guy would want to write.
07:50No.
07:51So my wonderful son, Joe, when he was 19 years old, he applied to a screenwriting course at the National Film and Television School.
07:59Look, there he is. He's so sweet.
08:01And he has always been very passionate and really good at writing and it's been a big part of his creativity.
08:07But that didn't necessarily mean that he was going to be able to write a screenplay.
08:10Yeah.
08:11So he did this six-month intensive course and he was encouraged by a fantastic tutor to just write from the heart.
08:19And the most significant thing that had happened in his life was the loss of his grandmother when he was 13, my mum.
08:25And he was just so struck and moved by how we all came together for her and because we all came from this one woman.
08:34And so he used that just as a loose inspirational backdrop and created a fictional story about a messy, complex, fictional family set at Christmas time.
08:44And so it's really a story about how a family do come together against sort of all odds in many ways because there are lots of family dynamics at play that are quite challenging.
08:56And they have to make it OK so they can make it good for this woman to leave them all behind knowing that they're all going to be all right.
09:05And it was just an extraordinary experience.
09:07And he'd written this script and he handed it to me and he was like, oh, you know, I've written this thing and it's probably not very good.
09:13Maybe you'll just read it and then lie if you think it's crap, you know.
09:17And I read it and it was very much not crap.
09:20Yeah.
09:21And I said, well, you've written a film and we're going to make it.
09:25And he's like, no, mum, don't do that mum thing.
09:31And I said, no, this is what we're going to do.
09:34He worked on it some more and Netflix showed some interest and we're like, oh, my God, it's real.
09:39And I suddenly realised I couldn't let it go.
09:41And so here I am, 50 years old, and I'm now a female director.
09:45And I'm very proud.
09:46Well done you.
09:47Very good.
09:48APPLAUSE
09:49Well, the clip we have is you breaking the news about your mother's illness to one of your sisters, played by Toni Collette.
09:58Toni Collette.
09:59Yeah.
10:00APPLAUSE
10:06I mean, fabulous Toni Collette there, you mentioned some of the other people in Andrew Riseberg, Johnny Flynn, Timothy Spall.
10:10Timothy Spall, yeah.
10:11Dame Helen Mirren, I hear she had some reservations or some doubts.
10:15So it all went through proper channels and agents and I spoke to her on the phone and I told her the story and I said it was written by my wonderful son and I was going to direct it and she was listening and listening and she said, darling, I do have to stop you because actually I've got two personal rules.
10:30I will not play someone with dementia and I won't play someone with dementia and I won't play someone who has got cancer.
10:36And I said, OK, absolutely fine, totally understand that, which I did.
10:40And I said, there's no need, I won't send you the script.
10:42She said, no, no, do send it, it does sound rather special.
10:45A week later I get an email, she says, I'll break my rule.
10:48I'd love to support you.
10:49This is a wonderful, wonderful project.
10:51And we got Helen Mirren to be enough.
10:54And she's great in the film, she really is amazing.
10:56She's wonderful, yeah.
10:57And I suppose as a director, you know, if you're directing people like Dame Helen Mirren, you know, that must make your job kind of easier.
11:03But then as you say, you did I shit myself is what you're saying.
11:06In a ditch in New Zealand.
11:08There's a red chair waiting for you.
11:11Let's not get on to poo, you always get me on to poo on this show, Greg.
11:14Come on, back in the room, back in the room.
11:16Well, no, the grandchildren, there's a lot of very young grandchildren.
11:20Yes.
11:21I mean, directing them must be like sort of herding cats.
11:24Oh, directing children is the greatest joy.
11:27There's this thing of never work with children and animals.
11:30Working with children is wonderful because children, children bring the joy.
11:34And I also have a theory about kids.
11:37Unless they are incredibly, incredibly gifted, actually you can't teach children to act,
11:42but you can just show them how to be by creating an environment that feels really safe, really playful and encouraging.
11:48They were encouraged not to learn their lines.
11:50They were encouraged to make lots and lots of juicy mistakes.
11:53And I would sometimes say to them things like,
11:55Now, you see that hospital bed over there?
11:57I've hidden something in that bed.
11:58And your job in this part of the story is to just find what I've hidden in there.
12:02Haven't hidden a thing.
12:03The children never knew that we were rolling cameras.
12:06And so they were completely natural all of the time.
12:09We would just use hand signals and it was just amazing.
12:12And they loved it and they didn't want it to finish.
12:15And working with children, I mean, as you say, a lot of people say working with children is difficult.
12:19Jacinda, tell us when you discovered you were going to have a baby.
12:26The precise moment? The bathroom?
12:29Well, in New Zealand, election night, it's not always clear whether or not you have been successful.
12:39So in 2017, I somewhat unexpectedly became leader of my party, campaigned hard and on election night,
12:47didn't know whether or not we'd managed to clinch government.
12:51So we went into a period of negotiations and they take about two weeks typically.
12:55I was about three days shy of those talks concluding and finding out if I was the Prime Minister of New Zealand
13:03when I found out I was pregnant.
13:06Is that actually true?
13:07That's actually true.
13:08Oh, my God.
13:09You're even more amazing.
13:11I'm really glad you've gone there because you could say that's terrible planning.
13:16It was, it was.
13:18But women, we just get on with it, don't we?
13:20Come on.
13:21That's right, that's right.
13:22And it was just like that.
13:23You just had to take every day as it came because then three days later, live on the 6pm news,
13:28the minor party we were negotiating with declared that I would be the Prime Minister.
13:32And it was only me and my husband that knew that I'd do it while having a baby.
13:36So even when you were being slaughtered...
13:38Oh, my God, she is amazing!
13:40You are so amazing!
13:43When you were being...
13:44Well, I could probably add, he wasn't actually my husband at the time either, so that's...
13:48Even more amazing!
13:50I misheard and I thought you said it wasn't even my husband.
13:55Funny story.
13:56Yeah, clearly.
13:57So it was awkward.
13:58Yeah, it was awkward.
13:59Hilarious.
14:00But you weren't able to tell people by the time you were being sworn in.
14:05No.
14:06No, no.
14:07And at that point, by the time I was being sworn in and we had then a very official regal ceremony
14:14at Parliament to open up Parliament and the Governor-General comes in and gives a speech
14:20from the throne and for that moment she faces all of Parliament and then I sit next to her
14:26on this side facing out, the leader of the opposition here, the entire judiciary, leaders
14:32of the armed forces, very, very regal.
14:36And the entire time I'm thinking, I'm absolutely going to throw up.
14:41And I'm clocking where my exits are.
14:44I even started thinking, would anyone believe I just had a bad kebab?
14:51But thankfully, thankfully I got through and I got through 20 weeks without...
14:55..without telling people.
14:58Wow, that's amazing.
14:59Amazing.
15:00A lot of flowy blouses.
15:02And because, Seth, your wife...
15:05It wasn't morning sickness, but your wedding day was nearly spoiled.
15:08Yeah, she had food poisoning and we were at our rehearsal dinner
15:14and then she felt terrible and she said, I don't feel well.
15:17And I said, it's, trust me, it's just wedding jitters.
15:20That thing when, like, a man with no experience just is very certain
15:25of what's happening.
15:26Having gone to zero days of medical school, I'm like, trust me,
15:29it's just wedding jitters.
15:30You're very nervous about marriage.
15:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:33And you have every right to be.
15:35No, but she's like, I think I have food poisoning.
15:37I'm like, I promise you, it's just jitters, it's wedding jitters.
15:40And then, you know, we did sleep in separate beds at different places
15:43the night before our wedding as per tradition.
15:45And then in the morning, I called her, I'm like, so how are you doing?
15:48She's like, I am in the emergency room.
15:49I do have food poisoning.
15:52But it was the one thing that was so lovely is that we had,
15:57she really wanted to do a rehearsed first dance
15:59and we're both really terrible dancers.
16:01And we had, like, gone to a whole, like, dance class
16:04with a, you know, personal instructor.
16:06And even the instructor who started by saying, look, anyone can be a dancer
16:10as long as you're in love.
16:11And at the end of the first hour was like, huh.
16:16And I remember, like, the night of, you know, at the wedding,
16:19because she did tough it out and, you know, was on an IV
16:21and she rallied the way women do.
16:24And she goes, I just don't think we can do the first dance.
16:27And I remember being like, oh, thank God.
16:29Thank God you ate a bad oyster.
16:33Because, Alan, where were you? Was it Mexico?
16:35I got Montezuma's Revenge, have you heard that?
16:38Yeah. Oh, my God, I had that.
16:40What did you do? What did you do to Montezuma?
16:41I know.
16:42Listen, it was so bad.
16:44And this sounds like a made-up story, but it's true.
16:46Have you had a palenque where all the Inca monuments are?
16:49I felt, oh, my God, I'm going to shit myself.
16:53And then I ran and got some water and as I came out the bushes,
16:57there was a marathon there and a woman ran past,
17:00took my bottle of water and tipped it over her bed.
17:03She thought it was one of those people.
17:05Yeah.
17:07Oh, no.
17:08I was so dehydrated.
17:09And can I say, Hotel Capri in Acapulco,
17:12they refused to give me more toilet paper.
17:15Oh, that's not nice.
17:17No, Mr Khan.
17:18No, Mr Khan.
17:19No, please.
17:20Indeed.
17:21Do you remember that finger boy?
17:23Do you remember the finger boys?
17:24The finger bus is coming.
17:26The finger boys.
17:27I think we're saying the finger boys.
17:28The finger boys.
17:29The finger boys as well.
17:30You're the one.
17:31You're the one.
17:32I remember just...
17:33Use this.
17:34I remember just laying next to the toilet and it was coming out both ends
17:38and I was just staring in.
17:39How could it get worse?
17:40And then this party boat came round.
17:41The finger boys are coming.
17:42Fuck you.
17:43I think Kate, we must also remind everybody that we'll be seeing you soon in the third instalment of Avatar.
18:02Correct.
18:03Yes.
18:04This one's called Fire and Ash.
18:05I know.
18:06It doesn't look anything like me.
18:08Every time I see myself in Avatar, I'm like, oh, that is actually me.
18:11No.
18:12But they do make you go and do it.
18:13Yes.
18:14Yes.
18:15Absolutely.
18:16But you can tell it's me from my top lip, I think.
18:18And because they've kept my beauty mark, which is nice.
18:20I mean, it's not animation.
18:22It's proper motion capture.
18:23Yeah.
18:24But this time, no holding breath underwater.
18:26No, there was quite a lot of that as well still.
18:28Oh, really?
18:29And there was a bit of underwater fighting in this one.
18:31But I can't really say anything.
18:33Yeah.
18:34You're going to have to see it.
18:35Well, people can find out on the 19th of December.
18:38Avatar, Fire and Ash is on the 19th December.
18:40And don't forget Kate's film Goodbye June.
18:42That is in cinemas from next Friday.
18:44Very good.
18:45Now, Jacinda Ardern brings us a truly extraordinary documentary about her time in office.
18:56It's filmed over seven years.
18:58It's called Prime Minister and it's out in cinemas today.
19:01And before we talk about it, here's just a taste of the trailer.
19:05Wow.
19:12It obviously turned into this amazing story.
19:15But as you said there, you know, you didn't know what was coming.
19:17So when you started filming this at the beginning, all those years ago,
19:21what did you think the film was going to be?
19:24Not this.
19:26That's for sure.
19:27My now husband is a broadcaster.
19:30And so when he was in close proximity to all of these things suddenly happening,
19:35he thought, well, I should capture this.
19:38And I think only he could have, you know, helped create what it now is.
19:44Because I would never have otherwise let someone film me as consistently in my pyjamas.
19:50Or my bathrobe.
19:52Or at home and behind the scenes.
19:54And it's created, I hope, you know, a story that shows what it's like to lead.
20:00And I hope also a story that says that you can lead differently
20:04than perhaps the way we see in the world today.
20:06Yeah.
20:07I mean, after that, there are times when you're quite tetchy.
20:10There are times when you wish Clarke would stop.
20:12You make that sound like that doesn't happen often.
20:14The bulk of the film.
20:17Yeah.
20:18And that's because we never had any intention about what would happen with the footage.
20:21You know, I was doing, in New Zealand, we have this great project
20:25where archivists call politicians and interview them.
20:28And they've been doing it for decades.
20:30So I was recording these interviews.
20:32And that was another reason he thought, well, I'll put some footage in as well.
20:35But without a clear idea of what would happen with it.
20:38And I think that was positive too.
20:40Because otherwise I would, I don't think I would have been as open otherwise.
20:44And so, obviously, the thing that kind of brought you to global attention
20:47was your response to COVID.
20:49Where you shut the borders, the quarantine, you got it down to zero cases.
20:52Yeah.
20:53And initially, obviously, incredibly popular in New Zealand.
20:55You had this landslide election victory.
20:57Yes.
20:58Yeah, we did.
20:592020, it was almost, the election then was almost like a,
21:02like an election in the middle of a war of sorts.
21:05That's how it felt in some ways.
21:07And so it was an unprecedented victory.
21:11But it never felt like victory.
21:12I kind of thought, okay, people want us to keep going.
21:15And so we did.
21:16But it got harder.
21:17Yeah.
21:18I mean, we were certainly aware of what New Zealand was doing here.
21:20In America, were they aware of?
21:21Very much so.
21:22Really?
21:23You know, people were lucky enough.
21:24I think everybody wanted to go there.
21:27You know, that was the place everybody wanted to be.
21:30And, yeah, I mean, certainly we were jealous.
21:32Any time, you know, you saw a ticker that there was a country with zero cases,
21:36that seemed like a job well done.
21:37Yeah.
21:38You know, the New Zealand, Immigration New Zealand website,
21:40after a couple of particular elections in the US, has crashed.
21:46I would imagine.
21:47Yeah, people looking into it.
21:48Everybody was like, are they doing, can I be an extra?
21:50Are you still looking for a hobbit?
21:53So it began, it began very well.
21:55And people in New Zealand were happy with what you were doing.
21:57And then as time went on, cracks began to appear.
22:00We've got a second clip from the documentary.
22:10I mean, the answer might be obvious, but why was that comment so annoying?
22:14You know, because at that time, of course, we were focused on both
22:17and our view was that, you know, a response on Covid
22:20that focused on keeping people alive was also the best response
22:23for the economy as well.
22:25I should add, I'm not a violent person.
22:28LAUGHTER
22:30And we did get through and so many of the things
22:33that they predicted may happen, we managed to prevent.
22:36It was hard, but I still feel proud of that.
22:38And negative voices began to get louder
22:40and there is still this very kind of vociferous group
22:43in New Zealand who feel very strongly about you.
22:45What went wrong?
22:47What was the tipping point?
22:49Well, I think, you know, one thing, and again, of course,
22:52we all take responsibility for our own time in politics and in office.
22:56And so I say this next thing not to diminish that,
23:00but I think we have seen politics globally shift gears.
23:04And I think we have seen politics, you know, carry a lot more grievance from individuals
23:10and it's in some ways become more violent and aggressive.
23:13So, you know, I don't think it was just any one leader that has experienced that shift.
23:18It has shifted.
23:19And yet, in amongst all of that, I do think we're in a moment in time.
23:23And I think in response to that moment in time, my plea is for people to not give up on an expectation
23:30that politics can be better.
23:32Expect decency in politics.
23:34Expect empathy and kindness in your politics.
23:37And I do think that we'll return to that as well.
23:39I hope that bitterness never comes to the stage.
23:41Yeah.
23:42Yeah.
23:44And Cassandra...
23:46Are you worried that this documentary, anyone watching it will think,
23:51Dear God, I'm never going into politics.
23:54I do get asked the question, would you ever recommend it to a young person?
23:59Absolutely, I would.
24:00And, you know, look, the documentary captures the big moments.
24:04Yeah.
24:05But there was so much joy in between.
24:07So much joy.
24:08What other job, if you're, you know, if you're a do-gooder like I can be sometimes,
24:15where you see a problem in the world and you've got the power to do something about it,
24:18what other job do you get that gift?
24:20So I would absolutely recommend politics to good people,
24:25and we need more good people in there.
24:28So don't shy away.
24:29And will you go...
24:30Are you going to go back into politics?
24:31No.
24:32No.
24:33I mean...
24:36It's a great job.
24:37Do as I say.
24:38Do as I say.
24:39Do as I say.
24:40To be fair, I did it for 15 years.
24:43OK, fair enough.
24:44You started very young.
24:45Yeah, thank you.
24:47How young were you when you got into politics?
24:48I was...
24:49Well, when I went into Parliament, I was 28.
24:50Wow.
24:51Yeah.
24:52I feel like I did my stuff.
24:53All right, all right.
24:54And now it's for the next generation.
24:56Well, listen.
24:57It is a fascinating watch.
24:59It really, really is.
25:01Jacinda's documentary Prime Minister is in cinemas now.
25:04OK.
25:05Right.
25:06We turn to Mr Seth Meyers.
25:07Oh, thank you.
25:08The award-winning host of Late Night with Seth Meyers.
25:13You can see it here in the UK on weekends on CNBC.
25:19So based on that, you don't watch it.
25:21Well, I...
25:22CNBC.
25:23This can't be right.
25:24C.
25:25An eye test.
25:26No.
25:27C.
25:28That's not a channel.
25:29C.
25:30I was thinking he sounds like a children's channel.
25:33Well, thanks for the support, Graham.
25:37It's also available on YouTube.
25:39Yeah, yeah.
25:40That's easier, yeah.
25:41Or if you go to America, you can be on it.
25:42Yeah, yeah.
25:43Perfect.
25:44Worked out for you.
25:45Yeah, yeah.
25:46It's a celebrity talk show.
25:47It is.
25:48It is a celebrity talk show like this.
25:49But once a year, Seth Meyers, you break your booking policy.
25:53Oh, yes.
25:54I have my...
25:55Well, once a year on Thanksgiving, it's very hard to book, obviously, on Thanksgiving.
25:58And so when I started my show, I started with my parents and my brother are on every year.
26:02And it's very lovely.
26:04But then this year, we went a little bit further and I had my children on the show, who are
26:09young.
26:10They're nine, seven, and four.
26:11Wow.
26:12And I did not tell them they were going to be on the show.
26:15I gave them no warning because I thought they would get stressed.
26:17They were actually in the building to take their Christmas card photo.
26:20And I just sort of low-key said, let's just have three microphones ready.
26:23And we pre-taped it a week early.
26:25But after our first guest that night was Cynthia Erivo.
26:29And the kids had finished their photo.
26:30And I go, just come out.
26:31Daddy's going to ask you some questions.
26:33And it was six minutes.
26:36It's the most white-knuckle interview I've ever done.
26:38We've got a little clip.
26:40Here's Seth and the Meyer children.
26:42Yeah.
26:43So huge.
26:44Yeah.
26:45You see?
26:46Children bring the joy.
26:48Children bring the joy.
26:49My oldest was the one who was the most, I think, had the most anxiety about doing it.
26:54And as we walked off, he just like took my arm.
26:56He goes, that was great.
26:58We should do it again soon.
27:00Thank you very much.
27:01And they just like, God, the bug.
27:02Is that the son who thinks he's going to inherit the show?
27:04Yeah.
27:05My son said to me once, he goes, Dad, I have a question.
27:07I said, what's your question?
27:08He said, when you die, do I get your show?
27:12And I'm like, based on the diarrhoea answer, your sister gets the show.
27:17And I said, before the talk show, in America, you were very famous because of, of course,
27:21Saturday Night Live.
27:22Yeah.
27:23There you are.
27:24Every weekend after you.
27:25My friend Amy Collin.
27:26Amy Poehler.
27:27Kate was on when I was on the show.
27:29Oh, my God.
27:30Can I just say, when I was on, it was absolutely terrifying.
27:32I think it's terrifying for everybody.
27:33Am I allowed to quickly tell the story?
27:34Yeah.
27:35Even though this is totally unplanned.
27:36No, go.
27:37When I was on, it was the week after Ashley Simpson was done for lip syncing, right?
27:43Yes.
27:44I'm then on with Eminem, OK?
27:46I was doing publicity for a film called Finding Neverland at the time, and Johnny Depp
27:50and I had to miss the Wednesday rehearsal because we had to go to Chicago and talk to Oprah.
27:54And I'm thinking, oh, my God, what's the opening monologue going to be?
27:57I get to Wednesday night, come back from the Oprah thing.
27:59Still, they're like, well, we're just, you know, trying to figure it out.
28:02I'm like, just please tell me.
28:04It's, you know, it's a couple of days away, just what you're going to have me do.
28:08The next day, I go in and they're like, can you sing?
28:11And I said, a little, you know, ish, kind of.
28:14Do you dance?
28:15I'm like, I mean, yeah.
28:16Like, do you tap dance?
28:17I'm like, yeah, I do.
28:18Perfect.
28:19I'm like, so what's the opening monologue?
28:21I go, we'll get back to you.
28:22I'm like, oh, my God.
28:23Now what's happening to me?
28:24This is absolutely terrible.
28:26They gave me 24 hours to learn.
28:28Nothing's impossible I have found for when...
28:31I'm tap dancing and singing fully live the week after the whole Ashley Simpson thing.
28:36And also, I have to say something else, and this is a story I've never, never told.
28:40Eminem asked me to shave his bottom.
28:44There's always a muck.
28:46There's always, like, a poo bum thing for me when I come on this show.
28:49Was it with a hand-held razor?
28:51Well, he did.
28:52He said, would you shave my butt?
28:53And I said, I'm sorry, I don't do personal grooming.
28:55Like, what?
28:56I'm not going to go with a bick and get your crackler.
29:00I was like, honestly, that's my...
29:02Never told that story before ever in my life in public.
29:05There you go.
29:06There you go.
29:07And can I say...
29:09Should have said yes.
29:10Well, the door's open.
29:11No!
29:12Should have said yes.
29:13No, no, no, no.
29:14Once she said no, I did say yes.
29:19I was early in the show.
29:20I would do anything.
29:23Was that...
29:24Is that typical, that hosts get stuff really late?
29:26Yes.
29:27It speaks to the legacy of the show that people keep sort of opting into the terrifying week that it is.
29:32But I think if you were...
29:33You know, if we didn't have kind of a little bit of fear, I think, like, even you, like, we wouldn't...
29:37Yeah.
29:38We wouldn't do any of this because I think the fear motivates you.
29:40Why are you looking at me like that?
29:42I don't know what you're talking about.
29:43He looks terrifying.
29:44Look at the terror.
29:45Look at the terror in his eyes.
29:50I think you...
29:51I lost fear in about 1997.
29:53We did have a...
29:54We used to say, like, whenever a host wasn't nervous, we knew the show was about to be a disaster.
30:00Hello.
30:01Like, we won.
30:02Honestly.
30:03Exhibit A.
30:04I was married...
30:05I was married to Sam Mendes at the time, Joe's dad, and I said to him,
30:09please don't...
30:10Please don't come.
30:11Just...
30:12Just don't...
30:13It's really fine.
30:14I don't need you to come.
30:15He's like, no, okay, fine.
30:16He bloody well came.
30:17I walked through the doors at the back, and I go like this, and all I see is Sam sat there going...
30:22I'm about to tap dance in the sink.
30:27Oh, my God, it was really horrifying, actually.
30:29It was horrifying.
30:30And your connection with SNL continues, because you do a podcast.
30:33Yes.
30:34The...
30:35Yes, with Andy Samberg, Kate's co-star in Lee.
30:38Oh, yes, because you...
30:39It's old Andy.
30:40Yeah.
30:41He's wonderful.
30:42He was in Lee with you, yeah.
30:43Yes, he was indeed.
30:44He's a great guy.
30:45Andy Samberg, is he your friend?
30:47He's one of my oldest, dearest friends, yeah.
30:49But what's the thing, and I don't want to make you sad, but I know your dog died.
30:54Yeah, my dog, 14 years old, Frisbee, yeah.
30:57And Andy Samberg, he hated that dog.
31:00Yeah, so...
31:02He hated my dog, and he met my dog when she was a puppy, and he said on the day he met her, she's an ugly rat dog.
31:09And then every single time he came on my show, he basically would just say, how's Frisbee that piece of shit?
31:15No.
31:16He would always say that.
31:17Yeah, no, look, he's a bad guy, but he basically doubled down and doubled down.
31:22I mean, having your kids on, I guess.
31:25Yeah, but...
31:27The dog, I will be honest, the dog was not as electric as the kids.
31:34But it was like Andy leaned into the...
31:37He's not even looking at you.
31:38No.
31:41Yeah, no, Frisbee wasn't a good dad.
31:42Frisbee wasn't a good dad.
31:43But he really just doubled down on the comedy of hating my dog.
31:46And then I kept saying, like, you know, this dog is 13 years old, and do you think you can weather the storm of hating a dog that recently passed?
31:54And he goes, I'm going to ride it out.
31:56And then I will say, when Frisbee passed away, I called up Andy, and I'm like, well, that awkward day has come.
32:01And he's like, I'm really sorry, how are your kids?
32:03I'm like, everybody's okay.
32:04He's like, okay, I am going to still publicly say she was a rat dog.
32:08And the New York Times, it was the, I mean, I have it framed, because the New York Times wrote an article that said Seth Meyers' dog and Andy Samberg's nemesis passes away.
32:19And I'm like, I cannot believe the most famous thing about my dog is that you hated her.
32:24Because, Alan, you've got a new dog.
32:26Yes, yes, I've got a rescue dog, and she's completely deaf.
32:30And she was meant to be a guard dog, and, of course, she's dumped, and she's deaf, so they gave me a lead which says, I am deaf on it.
32:38So I'm walking round the park, and people are going, what's her breed?
32:45And I know the dog's dead.
32:48And I start mouthing the dog.
32:53And she's got, like, a bright collar because she's got no recall, she's got bells, it's like taking a UFO for a walk.
33:00She's glowing all around the park.
33:02I don't know how I would react differently knowing a dog is deaf, as a person just walking past you in a park.
33:09That's deaf for cheese, for dogs.
33:11Oh, OK.
33:12What?
33:13That's what the woman said, cheese.
33:17That's deaf, that woman said, that's deaf, the deaf dog, cheese.
33:20OK.
33:21That's deaf for dogs?
33:22Yeah.
33:23That's all they would say to your dog, is cheese.
33:25Is that to send her out to the store?
33:27Cheese!
33:30Also, it seems like if the dog wants cheese, they would need to sign it to you.
33:36Look, it's a new dog, don't give me stress.
33:41I like that's the one word.
33:43We're going to go.
33:44I know.
33:45I give you cheese.
33:46You can work out the rest yourself.
33:47There you go.
33:48Be fine.
33:49Seth, it is so great to have you all on the couch.
33:52I'm so happy to be here.
33:53Don't forget, you can watch Late Night with Seth Meyers weekends on CNBC.
33:58Oh, wow.
33:59You know.
34:00I'm on it.
34:01I'm on it now.
34:02You know.
34:03Yeah.
34:05Meanwhile, Alan Carr is back on the road for his new tour.
34:09It's called Have I Said Too Much?
34:12But we should say, tickets are on sale, I think, today.
34:15Yes.
34:16But it'll be a while before they can go.
34:18Yes, 2027.
34:21I'm a slow writer.
34:23I'm a slow writer.
34:24Do you know what I was going to call the show?
34:27National Traitor.
34:28Oh.
34:29But, you know, I've got to stop milking it.
34:33I've got to let it go, won't I?
34:36I bet if I die, I'll be like, oh, look, there's that bloke who wore that cloak.
34:39That's what they're going to say.
34:41So, you know, better than being Andy Samberg's nemesis.
34:45Yeah.
34:46Now, your last tour to go all over the world, did you end up in New Zealand?
34:50Yes, New Zealand, Australia.
34:52Now, what's that hotel in New Zealand which you can bungee jump off the top?
34:57Oh, that's in...
34:59That's in Auckland.
35:00Oh, it's in Auckland.
35:01It's in Auckland.
35:02Was it the Sky Tower?
35:03Yes.
35:04They can bungee jump off the top of the hotel.
35:06I'm there unpacking.
35:08I'm seeing people screaming.
35:10Ow!
35:12Ow!
35:13And then I see them come back and I'm like, how shit is this hotel?
35:17Oh, my God, I wanted a double bed.
35:20So, yeah, I mean, I always stay there.
35:25I always stay there.
35:26It must be the Sky Tower.
35:27Yes, yes, yeah.
35:28So, I always go everywhere and, yeah, I love it.
35:32I love it.
35:33There's no theme.
35:34There's a little bit about me being single but traitor stuff and stuff.
35:37I never have themes.
35:38I just...
35:39When my notebook is full of jokes, I just go on tour.
35:41I just do it every three years.
35:42I love it.
35:43I just love the freedom of it all.
35:44Yeah.
35:45And, obviously, people will want you to talk about celebrity trainers.
35:49And were you, no offence, but were you as surprised as everyone else when you won?
35:56When I laughed in their face.
35:59I'm a faithful!
36:02I really thought when I go round that table, they're all just going to say Alan, Alan, Alan.
36:07Yes.
36:08But they didn't.
36:09Are they stupid?
36:10Are they so stupid?
36:11And then I started crying because it was Nick Muhammad's face.
36:15He was like, we got this, we got this.
36:18And I'm like, no, I've got this.
36:20Have any of you seen this?
36:23The celebration?
36:24I've not seen this season, no.
36:25No, no.
36:26I saw the eight minutes sizzle reel.
36:28Me too, and I saw Celia Emery fart.
36:30Oh, my God.
36:31I was changed to her.
36:33I couldn't move.
36:38And we have to talk about Paloma, because she did not find it funny.
36:42No.
36:43No.
36:44Has she got over it?
36:45She had, and I saw her yesterday, we did some silly sketches and stuff like that.
36:49But, you know, like I said to her, I said, it's a game, it's called The Traitors.
36:53It's like going on like, you know, what's it called, Naked Attraction and saying,
36:57what, I've got to take my knickers off?
37:01We've got a picture of you and Paloma last night.
37:03Oh, wow.
37:04Oh.
37:05Oh, my God.
37:06I think I know who you're being.
37:11I could not get that foundation off.
37:14I look at you.
37:15See, we are friends.
37:17Seth's just smiling.
37:18It's Claudia Winkleman.
37:19Great.
37:20You know what?
37:21I had a feeling.
37:22I've got a question.
37:23How do they, as a TV show, how do they inform you that it's going to be you before the show?
37:31How does that all happen?
37:32Oh, no.
37:33How does that all happen?
37:34You sit there.
37:35Okay, I'll show you, yeah.
37:36Go on.
37:37Oh, my God.
37:38It's doing the action.
37:39You're blindfolded.
37:40This is Claudia.
37:41Yeah, blindfolded.
37:42She's so light on her feet.
37:43Yes.
37:44Like a cat horse.
37:45Yeah.
37:46Yeah.
37:47Oh.
37:48That's what happened.
37:49Yes.
37:50Did you not nearly have a heart attack?
37:52Well, you clearly haven't seen it.
37:54I went...
37:55I nearly chewed through my lip with panic.
38:00Yes.
38:01You don't really have a really cheap white wine on it.
38:05And do you really not know before that moment at all?
38:08No.
38:09No.
38:10And you don't know who it is and then you go into the turret and you go and there was
38:14Jonathan Ross there and Cat.
38:16And then I watched it back.
38:17I didn't realise how loud I was.
38:19Because I'd done my first murder and I said to Jonathan, I've done it.
38:24Do you realise how loud I am, inside voice?
38:31I think we need a new hitman.
38:34There will be loads for you to talk about in your new show, so get writing it.
38:40A reminder, tickets for Alan's upcoming tour of I Said Too Much are on sale now.
38:46Hey, it is time for music and this Mercury Prize nominated singer-songwriter also murdered
38:51her way to the final on Celebrity Traitors.
38:53Here performing There's Just Something About Her, it is Cat Burns.
38:57Come on over, Cat.
38:58Thank you so much.
38:59Just gorgeous.
39:00Thank you very much.
39:01Come on up.
39:02You know Alan, that's Seth, Jacinda, Kate, this is Cat.
39:03Hello.
39:04I love you.
39:05I love you.
39:06I love you.
39:07Oh, did I very carefully.
39:08Congratulations.
39:09That sounded so good live.
39:10Thank you very much.
39:11That is the single There's Just Something About Her and that's from a new album How To Be Human.
39:24Yes.
39:25Which is out now, right?
39:26Yeah.
39:27Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:28And you talked about this album and say, oh, it is about heartbreak.
39:31Mm-hmm.
39:32But you didn't want it to be a sad album.
39:34No, I mean, the album's about grief and heartbreak.
39:37I lost my grandad last spring and I think I wanted to showcase the first year of what grief
39:44can look like and I remember watching a video of Andrew Garfield and he said that grief
39:50is just love with no home and I just thought that was really beautiful and I was like,
39:54I need to make a project based on that and then that's how it came to be.
39:58So, it's sad but it's also hopeful at the same time.
40:01I saw that Andrew Garfield.
40:02It was on, that was on Stephen Colbert, wasn't it?
40:04Yeah.
40:05In America, on the American talk show.
40:06Yeah.
40:07So, here you are together, Cat and Alan.
40:10And now, I feel bad, I feel bad talking about celebrity videos again.
40:16I feel like I'm torturing you three.
40:18You're kind of like, oh, dear God.
40:19Alan did say, please don't bring it up again.
40:22Maybe just one more time.
40:24There's a cloak behind the sofa.
40:29So, that moment when you both voted for Jonathan to be banished, had you talked about that beforehand,
40:38the two of you?
40:39Well, I think I was running with the big dog theory.
40:43So, I was like, if I don't...
40:44The fucking big dog theory.
40:45Yeah.
40:46Jesus.
40:47Once Stephen was gone, I was like to Jonathan, I'm going to have to do you and he was like,
40:52I know.
40:53So, it was, I got to say, but I think it was probably a shock that you did it.
40:57I didn't know what I was doing.
40:59I didn't know.
41:01I was just pleased I got the name spelt right.
41:04I mean, really.
41:05You were such a bad advertisement for strategy.
41:08And they were sitting there going, these traitors are so clever, you know, the way...
41:12We were just like...
41:13We didn't know what was going on.
41:15We didn't know what was going on.
41:17But, yeah.
41:18Kat, you're going on tour.
41:19I am in April.
41:20Wow, so soon.
41:21Unlike your friend.
41:23You can buy tickets and remember you've got them.
41:28Next spring.
41:29Yeah.
41:30And presumably tickets are gone or about to be gone.
41:34Almost.
41:35So get your tickets now.
41:36Yes.
41:37Kat, good luck with the tour.
41:39Thank you very much for being here.
41:40Thanks for that great performance.
41:42Kat Burns, everybody.
41:43That is it for tonight.
41:48No time for red chairs, I'm afraid.
41:50So please thank the rest of my guests, Alan Cobb.
41:54Seth Meyers.
41:57Jacinda Ardern.
42:01And Kate Winslet.
42:05Join me next week with music guest Jade.
42:08Fashion guru, Edward Enenville.
42:10Comedy genius, Rowan Atkinson.
42:12Double Oscar winner, Emma Thompson.
42:14And Hollywood superstar, Timothee Chalamet.
42:16I'll see you then.
42:17Good night already, bye-bye.
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