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00:00See, it was COVID and you weren't that close.
00:02Yeah.
00:03Now they're breathing all over you.
00:05You can feel their breath.
00:08Lovely.
00:08And a first-time welcome to Jessie and Kieran.
00:10Thank you very much.
00:11I've actually been on your show before.
00:14I've actually been on your show before.
00:16Nice memory.
00:17Good. I'm glad that you could be with me.
00:18We did the radio together.
00:20No, we did that.
00:21That was a couple of years ago, but around 2002, 2003.
00:23As a matter of fact, I think we have pictures of it.
00:26Really?
00:26I think so.
00:28Oh, my God!
00:30No wonder you don't remember.
00:32That was me?
00:32Jesus.
00:32Put that...
00:33Get that away.
00:34There we go.
00:36Oh, my God!
00:38What are you doing?
00:39Was this...
00:39Was this 50 years ago?
00:42Yes.
00:4245-50.
00:43One of us has aged slightly worse than the other, I would say.
00:48Now, if Nicola looks a little windswept,
00:51it's because you rushed here from...
00:53Was it the side of Bridgerton?
00:54Yes.
00:55Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56So...
00:58Yeah.
01:00So, literally, the plan was I was like...
01:01I was picked up by, like, four in the morning, and then I got in,
01:03I was like, I've got to get the wig off.
01:05I've got to get on the bike.
01:06I'd never been in a motorbike before.
01:07And I felt really excited until I got on it.
01:09And then I wanted to die.
01:10It was so funny.
01:11Oh, we've got a picture of you on the bike.
01:14Oh, there she is!
01:16Oh, there she is!
01:18Is that...
01:18Is that warm?
01:19Is it coming here?
01:21That's what I was...
01:22Are you not happy?
01:23That's what I was getting on.
01:24If you zoom in, you can really see the fear in my eyes.
01:29Um...
01:30And, look, I know you think you're cool because you're James Bond,
01:32but I think we all know who's the coolest looking person I live going.
01:36But it's...
01:37Yeah, it was an experience.
01:38What were you doing with the microphone?
01:39What were you talking about there?
01:40We were having chats.
01:40Okay.
01:41Me and my driver, he's from Glasgow.
01:43We were talking about drinking Guinness.
01:45Oh, really?
01:45We were having a...
01:45We had a lovely time, but I wasn't thinking about dying.
01:47That's not distracting as he's driving you?
01:49Yeah.
01:49Well, he did make a joke.
01:50I was like, I've never done this before.
01:51He went, me neither.
01:51And I went, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
01:55Yeah, he was great.
01:56Good joke.
01:56I'm alive, so...
01:59And two huge television shows represented on the show tonight,
02:04Bridgerton and Succession.
02:05Daniel, which of those do you prefer?
02:09You haven't seen either, have you?
02:12You know he hasn't.
02:13Nailed it.
02:15Do you watch any telly?
02:16No.
02:17Oh, Daniel.
02:18Not even married at first sight.
02:21It's really good.
02:22Is it?
02:23Jessie, you seem also like, do you watch any television?
02:26No.
02:27No.
02:27You don't have a TV.
02:28No.
02:29Oh, that's a real hindrance.
02:30My wife grew up without a TV.
02:32On my wife's 12th birthday, her mum, as a gift to her,
02:34rented a TV for two hours to watch The Babysitter's Club.
02:37Like, so I married into, like, a Luddite family,
02:40and so I never had a TV.
02:41He told me he watches movies on his phone on his knee.
02:46Yep.
02:46And this is a filmmaker, by the way.
02:49He likes to watch movies.
02:50That's a great knee.
02:51Yeah.
02:53But presumably it would drive you mad if someone was watching
02:55your movie on a phone on your...
02:57Oh, I don't care.
02:57I really, you know, don't.
02:59I think about it all the time.
03:00I'm like, you know, people are saying, like,
03:02I want this movie to play this.
03:03I always just think, like, I'm so happy to be here on the set.
03:05This is the coolest thing in the world.
03:06I don't care what happens afterwards.
03:08But I thought you were the same way.
03:09I mean, but I like to watch a movie in the theatre.
03:11Oh, yeah.
03:11Not on a phone.
03:12I've never watched a movie on the phone.
03:14That sucks.
03:14Never.
03:15No, I don't really care if anybody watches the thing, I guess.
03:18Right?
03:18I did it already.
03:19I did the thing.
03:20I'm done.
03:21Thank you for letting me do it.
03:22Yeah.
03:22No, great job selling the film.
03:24And...
03:25I mean, you've really...
03:27You've really nailed it.
03:30I think...
03:31I can see why you haven't been on for 20 years.
03:35I thought the haircut would have helped.
03:37But, yeah.
03:37All right.
03:38And, guys, I should...
03:40A little word of warning before you get going.
03:42When you say things in interviews,
03:44sometimes things can be taken out of context.
03:46They can even go viral.
03:47Are you looking at me?
03:48No.
03:48You are?
03:50I'm actually looking at Nicola,
03:51because what you were doing press,
03:53was it for Bridget and you were doing press?
03:55Yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:55And what have they actually asked you?
03:56Well, they asked me, they said,
03:57if you weren't an actor, like, what would you do?
03:59And sometimes I say maybe a Montessori teacher,
04:01but when you've done a junket,
04:02and it's the same question many times,
04:03I was like,
04:04you know when Real Housewives only make music for gay men?
04:07You may actually...
04:08I'm looking at you as if you'll know.
04:09I was like,
04:09Jesse, you might not know this.
04:11Will you not put me into your problem?
04:12Jesse's like,
04:13Actual Housewives?
04:15Yeah.
04:16Yeah, so they sometimes just make songs
04:17that are just listing things.
04:19It's like Private Jets,
04:21Louboutins.
04:21And I just said this in an interview,
04:23but then this DJ in America,
04:24Alice Mia, made it into a song.
04:27And he really did.
04:28This is it.
04:28Don't even explain it.
04:29This is it.
04:30Here we have it.
04:31Very good.
04:33Right, let's get on.
04:34We start with Daniel Craig giving a Golden Globe
04:36nominated performance.
04:37This extraordinary new film.
04:39It's called Queer.
04:41It's out in cinemas today.
04:44And it strikes me,
04:45this film,
04:46it's sort of queer in every sense of the word.
04:48It's based on a William S Burroughs novel.
04:50What do you want to tell us about it?
04:53Ha-ha.
04:55Um...
04:55It's based on a William S Burroughs novel.
04:57I said that.
04:57I know you're done.
04:58Don't cheat.
05:01I gave you that one.
05:03LAUGHTER
05:04He wrote it.
05:05Oh, do I have to?
05:06You're in it.
05:07You're in it.
05:08You're very good.
05:10It's written in the 1950s.
05:12It wasn't published till 1982, I don't think.
05:15It's about him and his relationship with a guy in Mexico City
05:19in the 50s.
05:20And the book is not autobiographical.
05:23It's a story.
05:24It's a novella.
05:25And look at Guadagnino, directed it, and it's quite good.
05:30No, it's so good.
05:32How am I doing, Carlos?
05:32No, no, you're doing very good.
05:35LAUGHTER
05:37APPLAUSE
05:37Thank you, guys.
05:38You're so generous.
05:39A director.
05:40A director.
05:41A director.
05:41LAUGHTER
05:42Now, listen, to give people just an idea of the film,
05:45here's a little bit from the trailer.
05:48It really is terrific.
05:50And we heard the voice of Sinead O'Connor,
05:54the late Sinead O'Connor.
05:54So she recorded that the day Kurt Cobain died at home.
06:00And it's sort of...
06:01I mean, and then they did bits of it later,
06:03and the Sinead O'Connor estate gave us permission
06:05to take the guitar truck out.
06:08So at the beginning of the movie, she sings it a cappella,
06:10and it's, I mean, it's just...
06:12Yeah, no, it really kind of sets the tone.
06:14Yeah, yeah.
06:15And obviously, it's you.
06:16Drew Starkey plays your lover.
06:18And we go into the movie and we have kind of preconceived notions
06:21of what masculinity is and what's gay, what's straight.
06:24But William Burr's guy, he really blurred all of those lines.
06:28Yeah, I think probably because homosexuality was illegal
06:31in the United States at the time, so I think you had to have...
06:35You know, you had to have a kind of a male front.
06:37I mean, you couldn't give it away.
06:40I mean, there was no sort of freedom of expression in that sense.
06:42And he was a junkie and it was illegal as well,
06:44so one of the reasons he went to.
06:46But, you know, I just...
06:47I suppose I'm fascinated by that, the artifice of masculinity.
06:51I think it is. It's all...
06:52I mean, some of it's beautiful, don't get me wrong.
06:54It's all kind of like...
06:54But he was kind of proper gun-toting.
06:56Oh, he loved his guns, yes. Yeah.
06:58Which you don't expect.
07:00No, I suppose not.
07:00I mean, he really was a kind of...
07:03I mean, in that sense, a bit of a good old boy.
07:04It was like, he kind of loved the kind of country life
07:06and blowing things up and shooting things.
07:09And I'm not suggesting you did this because, you know,
07:12you've stopped being Bond,
07:12but there must be a lovely relief in your life
07:14where you feel free, you can do a movie like this.
07:17Yeah, I just...
07:18I don't think I could have done this during Bond.
07:20I mean, not because I wouldn't have wanted to,
07:22but just because it would have felt kind of really self-conscious
07:25and like, you know, oh, isn't you a good actor?
07:29You know, it's like...
07:30Look at him pretending.
07:32Yeah, exactly.
07:37Exactly.
07:38So, yeah, I just felt...
07:40And timing is everything.
07:42I mean, Luca didn't get the rights until last year
07:45or the year before,
07:47and he came to see me, like, three months later
07:49and we said, yes, let's do it.
07:50Oh, fantastic.
07:51Yeah.
07:51Because, Nicola Coughlin, I've heard you talking about
07:53that last season of Bridgerton.
07:55Yeah.
07:55Where you felt it was so kind of liberating
07:57and kind of empowering
07:58that you were the romantic lead of the whole thing.
08:00Yeah, it was mental.
08:01I realised I was, I guess, 35 when I was filming the season
08:05and I'd never played an adult.
08:07I was like...
08:08Can I say what I said?
08:09I was like, how do I do this?
08:11Because I don't know if you've seen the first two series,
08:13I looked a lot like SpongeBob SquarePants.
08:16Very, very curly, ginger, yellow dresses,
08:19sort of a tent situation going on.
08:21Great show.
08:21You should watch it.
08:22You'll love it.
08:23LAUGHTER
08:24And now go to.
08:27Yeah, but it was weird having to then play the romantic lead
08:30and then knowing it was all...
08:31Because it's a sexy show.
08:33Yeah.
08:34A lot of sexy things happen in it.
08:35And then I realised I was going to have to do the sexy things.
08:37And I was like, right.
08:38And what was really funny is the other night watching Queer,
08:41there is a scene in it which I will talk about
08:43because I can't say it was happening.
08:44It's an intimate scene and there's an action happening in the scene
08:48that I don't...
08:49We couldn't do that in Bridgerton
08:50because you can't make that beautiful,
08:51but Queer made it really beautiful.
08:53Mm-hm.
08:53And it's just...
08:54It's...
08:55It's like...
08:57I feel you've...
08:58You've talked around it too much, Nicola.
09:00LAUGHTER
09:02We can...
09:02We can stop it there.
09:04But it was beautiful.
09:05It was really beautiful, yeah.
09:06Jesse watched it on a phone.
09:07He doesn't know what you're talking about.
09:08LAUGHTER
09:09I might make exceptions for certain scenes that have actions in them.
09:12LAUGHTER
09:15Just in case there's action in them.
09:17Let's get a wider view.
09:18Yeah, exactly.
09:19And go back to the phone for the talking.
09:23LAUGHTER
09:23Talking of sexy scenes,
09:24Jesse Osberg, you...
09:26In Fleischman is in Trouble...
09:28Oh, yeah.
09:28You were supposed to do...
09:30Yeah.
09:30..a nude scene, but you...
09:31You were unsure.
09:32No, I did the nude...
09:33I wasn't sure, yeah.
09:34I mean, I'm never sure.
09:34I take a shower every day and it convinces me otherwise.
09:38LAUGHTER
09:38What?
09:39Like to not do a nude scene.
09:41Got it.
09:41OK.
09:43Confirmed once again.
09:45LAUGHTER
09:46And now get dressed and leave the house.
09:48LAUGHTER
09:49I called my wife.
09:50I had, like, a sex scene.
09:51I called my wife and I was like,
09:52they asked me, like, to be naked too.
09:54And my wife was like,
09:55is the woman naked?
09:56And I'm like, yeah, yeah.
09:57And she goes, then so are you.
09:58And she's like, oh, OK.
10:00I thought...
10:00I called my wife and I thought she'd be like,
10:02are you kidding?
10:02You are not coming back into this house.
10:04You're naked.
10:04But my wife is like an activist before she's a wife.
10:07And so she was like, if the woman is naked, you are too.
10:10Oh, that's a...
10:10Oh, yeah.
10:11Oh, yeah.
10:12Oh, yeah.
10:13And...
10:15And...
10:16I'm trying to get through it.
10:17Have you done sort of those sorts of scenes?
10:20The love intimate scenes?
10:21Yes, I've done...
10:22Are you allowed to ask these questions?
10:23Are you allowed to ask these questions?
10:24Yes, I'm qualified.
10:25OK.
10:26As opposed.
10:27Yes.
10:29Yes, I've done a couple of sex scenes, but for some reason,
10:32I'm always asked to do the really unsuccessful sex scenes.
10:35No!
10:36Yes, the one where, you know, it's over really quickly
10:38or where the...
10:40I ask the person to pretend to be a corpse
10:42because I otherwise don't know how to get it up.
10:44I've seen that.
10:45Those kinds of things, yeah.
10:47We only film...
10:47I've never had a good sex scene.
10:48We only film Bridgerton down the road,
10:49so we'll get you on a bike and get you in
10:51and we'll make you look real.
10:52Really?
10:53Yeah.
10:54I don't have the power to do that.
10:55I don't think that's my speed.
10:55I've had more masturbating scenes than I've had sex scenes.
10:58And, uh...
10:59My mom stopped watching the show when I jerked off on a window.
11:03She watched the show.
11:03That's episode one, right?
11:04It's like season one.
11:06It's a great show.
11:07I've seen that.
11:07That's the one I've seen.
11:08That's the one you've seen?
11:10That's the one you tuned in for.
11:11That's the image I have of you.
11:12That's the image I have of you.
11:17Now, talking of beautiful images...
11:19Off sex!
11:21So, queer all set in Mexico but filmed in Italy.
11:24Gorgeous locations.
11:26Or not.
11:26Well, some of them are lovely.
11:27Like, the beach is lovely.
11:28Oh, the beach.
11:28The beach is lovely.
11:30There you are on the beach.
11:31Where's that? Sicily.
11:32Beautiful.
11:33But it was less beautiful in the doing.
11:35Oh, yes.
11:36There were just, like, these three-inch thorns all over the beach.
11:40And we had to sort of run with abandon across the beach.
11:44And you're like,
11:45Fuckin' hell!
11:47And I'm like,
11:48Fuck, fuck, fuck!
11:50It is really hard to act in sand.
11:52And people don't talk about this enough.
11:53They don't.
11:54I was filming it.
11:55I was like...
11:55Let's now, let's...
11:56What the hell is that next?
11:57You're all denying it.
11:58Now it's like...
11:59No, but I was once asked to film something where I walk down a sand dune
12:01looking really cool and you can't.
12:03Maybe you can, actually.
12:05But I can't.
12:05You can't get the purchase in the sand.
12:06No, because you're just sort of slipping and it's hard.
12:08Actually, this is close to sand, because, Daniel, you did a weird thing.
12:11So what was it?
12:12There was gravel and you thought we don't want to use the gravel.
12:16Right.
12:16There's a sequence where we do a dance.
12:19I won't give the game away, but there's a dance in the movie.
12:23And we were doing outside on the back lot and they...
12:26It was just ground and it was gravel.
12:28And we had to sort of roll around for, like, two nights.
12:30I was like,
12:31We're going to get cut to pieces.
12:33We're naked in the scene.
12:36And, yeah, whoo!
12:38Just one whoop.
12:39I'll take it.
12:41Still got it.
12:49And someone very kindly said, you know, that's not going to work.
12:52You're going to be...
12:53We're going to be bleeding.
12:54It's not going to be very good for the scene.
12:55So we got back the following night and someone had put, like,
12:5750 pounds of coffee grounds down on the ground.
13:02It looked like dirt.
13:03Dirt, yeah.
13:03Like dirt, which is great.
13:04Soft and lovely.
13:05But you can absorb it through your skin.
13:07So by 6 o'clock in the morning, which was a night shoot,
13:09you're like,
13:09Yeah, I'm going to...
13:12Good reaction, boys.
13:13Is that true?
13:15Yeah.
13:15I mean, that's...
13:17It's true, it's true.
13:18That's unbelievable.
13:19No, it is true, yeah.
13:20That's crazy.
13:21So if you just rub the coffee on yourself?
13:22Well, I mean, if you roll around in it for 12 hours...
13:25OK.
13:25OK.
13:26We did...
13:27I'm not sure if you just rub coffee and you're going to...
13:29It's not the same as having an espresso.
13:30No, no, no.
13:32I have such a sensitivity to caffeine.
13:34Me too.
13:34Maybe I should just...
13:34Maybe I should just take a little walk in it.
13:36Yeah, walk in it.
13:37Oh, it's very nice.
13:38It's very soft.
13:39Barefoot, just stroll back and forth every morning.
13:41Because I can't do a full cup, but maybe I could take a little stroll.
13:44Sensitivity.
13:45I'll pour cream on it too, just to make it...
13:49I'd like to walk on some coffee and sugar this morning.
13:52Well, just a reminder, you can see Queer in cinemas right now.
13:56Very good.
13:57And...
14:01You might have noticed that Christmas is coming.
14:06And guess who's starring in the Doctor Who Christmas special?
14:09Uh-huh.
14:10It's only Nicola Coughlin.
14:12And...
14:15It's on Christmas Day, BBC One, and then globally on Disney+.
14:21The episode is called Joy to the World.
14:23Nicola plays Joy, and here she is checking into her Christmas hotel.
14:28LAUGHTER
14:31So...
14:32I couldn't clap myself.
14:33I was like, oh!
14:34That was great.
14:35So, should he go up to his face there?
14:37So does the Doctor know Joy?
14:39No, he doesn't.
14:40He's just being friendly.
14:41He's looking for a friend, yeah.
14:41It was a really fun experience filming that.
14:43Because you know the way...
14:44Russell T Davies called me and was like, would you come to...
14:48Russell Davies is the nicest man in celebration, he's amazing.
14:50And I was like, yeah, I'll come.
14:51And I said, but to be honest, I don't know anything about Doctor Who.
14:54I didn't watch it growing up in Ireland.
14:55We had...
14:56We didn't have the channels.
14:57You will understand what that means.
14:58I so do.
14:59OK.
14:59So, in Ireland, we didn't have BBC growing up, so I didn't really know it.
15:02So I said this to Russell, and he was like, it's fine, just come.
15:05And I thought, well, you know, I'll do a little research.
15:07I'll maybe just start with the Wikipedia page.
15:09That's fine.
15:10Yeah.
15:10That's like me saying, I'm just going to pop off for five minutes
15:12and read War and Peace.
15:14It's so confusing, and there's time travel, and aliens,
15:17and, like, I don't know how many doctors, and...
15:19But I went and had a lovely time.
15:20I was very akin to, like, being there and not knowing what was going on.
15:23You know that at every wedding there's, like, one really old woman?
15:26And she's, like, not a grand...
15:27She's, like, someone's grand-aunt.
15:29And she sat there, but she's just having the best time.
15:31That was sort of me on set.
15:33I didn't know what was going on, but I was loving it.
15:35You know?
15:35Were people trying to explain to you as it went along?
15:38Oh, yeah, massively.
15:40And also, like, everything films out of sequence anyway.
15:42But then you add time travel to mix, you're like, well...
15:46So I'd be like, and would that be an alien now?
15:49And they were like, you're working with the Silurians.
15:51I was like, I know.
15:56So, that is a hotel.
15:58There is a door in your room.
16:00Got one of those adjoining doors, and she's checked in on her own
16:02on Christmas Eve, and you kind of go, why?
16:03And then an alien comes in, as they tend to do.
16:07Yeah.
16:08And then the doctor comes in, Shuti, who's amazing, and...
16:11Yeah, he's amazing.
16:12He smells amazing.
16:15It's weird, because often do you get this?
16:16Do people say, like, when you work with actors,
16:18they go, what do they smell like?
16:20No.
16:21No.
16:22That's a bad sign.
16:23Me neither.
16:24I never...
16:25No one asked me what you smell like before tonight,
16:28not even one person.
16:30LAUGHTER
16:32LAUGHTER
16:34APPLAUSE
16:34I mean, Shuti Godwell very good.
16:39Jesse Eisenberg would make a good Doctor Who, though, wouldn't he?
16:41Oh, God, yeah.
16:42Don't you have to be British?
16:43No. No.
16:44No.
16:44Do you feel I could use my accent and talk like myself?
16:45Yes.
16:46Yeah, yeah, do it.
16:47Do I wear my clothes?
16:48Yes.
16:49OK, great.
16:49Probably.
16:50There's no nude scenes in Doctor Who.
16:52Worry not.
16:53See if we can get some.
16:55LAUGHTER
16:55Come back.
16:56And actually, Kira, you're married to a British woman, aren't you?
16:59Yes, I am, yeah.
17:00And you've got children.
17:01Is she bringing them up in the grand tradition of watching Doctor Who?
17:05Not yet.
17:06They're only three and five.
17:07That's a little...
17:08Don't you think?
17:08No?
17:09Really?
17:09Well, we just haven't done that then.
17:10We're lazy.
17:12LAUGHTER
17:13But I heard you talking about how your wife...
17:16Because you've been together a while now.
17:1713 years, yeah.
17:18OK.
17:18But still, there's newness to her Britishness.
17:21There's...
17:21Oh, yeah, there's always new Englishisms that come up all the time.
17:24I remember, like, the first...
17:25The first one that I heard when we first started dating,
17:28we were watching wrestling at home, WWE.
17:31There was this...
17:32Yeah.
17:32First date.
17:33Nobody would.
17:33First date.
17:34No, nobody...
17:36There was this wrestler called Big E,
17:37who was this really big, muscular guy, big biceps,
17:40you know, pecs, all that.
17:41And he had a singlet on him.
17:42Before he would do his, like, finishing move,
17:44he would take off one singlet and the other to signify.
17:46And we were watching TV and she went,
17:47That's right, love.
17:48Get your baps out.
17:50LAUGHTER
17:51And his cards were like,
17:53What?
17:54LAUGHTER
17:55Give me that word.
17:56And I've just been taken.
17:57We were talking today about how chuffed is an amazing word
17:59and we don't have anything like it in the States.
18:01Nothing.
18:01There's nothing quite...
18:02There's no equivalent.
18:02But also, you guys have...
18:03Sorry, it's a whole audience of people
18:05that's maybe going to take this the wrong way.
18:06You guys have the most adorable little expressions
18:09and words for things.
18:10Like, even the other day.
18:11No, not at all, no.
18:11It's funny.
18:12Really?
18:13You know what I just learned the other day?
18:14She goes, we just had a little chinwag.
18:16What?
18:17It's a chat.
18:17It's a conversation.
18:18A chinwag.
18:19How adorable is that?
18:20Yeah, that's pretty cute.
18:22And if it's a nice day, you've got to bring your sunnies.
18:25That's pretty cute.
18:26But if it's raining, bring your brawly.
18:27How cute.
18:28Adorable.
18:29The most adorable thing is that you guys say poo.
18:33LAUGHTER
18:33The cutest sentence I think I've ever heard anyone say
18:36is, I done a poo.
18:38LAUGHTER
18:38But what do children in America do?
18:41The shit.
18:41I don't know.
18:42LAUGHTER
18:48And then they wet their ass.
18:49It's like, yeah.
18:50You've got that wrong, Kieran.
18:52LAUGHTER
18:54OK.
18:56Now, Doctor Who, what you have just done, famously shrouded a mystery.
19:00In fact, you have told us more about an episode of Doctor Who
19:03than anyone on the show has ever said about an episode of Doctor Who.
19:07Did you see the panic in my eyes?
19:08I was like, did I?
19:09There's a man over there from the BBC being like...
19:12LAUGHTER
19:13Um...
19:14Because how...
19:15On set, are they very strict on set?
19:16Yeah.
19:17OK.
19:17But also, like I said, I didn't really know what was going on.
19:20So you couldn't reveal...
19:22So I can't...
19:22I can't tell you any...
19:22I don't know.
19:24But it was great.
19:24It was brilliant.
19:25I had the best time.
19:26I left him and I don't know what I did, but I loved it.
19:29Yeah.
19:29But secrecy, you must be using...
19:30Because I didn't realise that on Bridgerton, you were the very first-person cast.
19:36Yeah.
19:36On Bridgerton.
19:36And then how long did you have to hold on to that secret?
19:39Well, they were like, don't tell anyone, I was like, OK,
19:41Mum?
19:42LAUGHTER
19:43It's too hard, isn't it?
19:45LAUGHTER
19:46Because the thing is, you have to keep it a secret from the world.
19:48My character in the show, this is a big spoiler, sorry,
19:50but I just don't...
19:50I don't know if you're going to watch it at Christmas,
19:52but I'm just going to take the chance that you're not going to tell you.
19:53So basically, my character is a secret gossip writer,
19:56voiced by Julie Andrews.
19:57And you find out at the end of the series, it's very exciting.
19:59But then immediately, I found it on the internet.
20:02Right.
20:02So I auditioned, didn't know what it was, Googled it,
20:04and I was like, oh my God, that's a brilliant character, that's amazing.
20:06And then immediately, I told my friends, I was like,
20:09there's a secret writer and guess who it is, it's me.
20:11LAUGHTER
20:11And then my friends and family were all like,
20:13well, you ruin everything.
20:15LAUGHTER
20:16But they will also hound me, I don't know, do your friends and family do this,
20:19hound you for information...
20:20No.
20:20No, they don't.
20:22No, as a matter of fact, on my show, I kept the big thing
20:26that I'm not going to ruin for you of the last season.
20:28Yeah.
20:28Logan dies.
20:34Oh, you haven't seen it either.
20:36Yeah, I knew that.
20:36But you knew he died.
20:37Yeah, that's right, yeah.
20:39But I kept that a secret from my wife for an entire year.
20:42Oh my God.
20:43Which was really hard.
20:44Yeah.
20:44And then, and it was so hard to do.
20:47And then I remember at the end, I remember,
20:48I sat on the floor while she sat on the couch,
20:49because I didn't want to like, give anything away
20:51and I didn't want to like, see her reaction to the episode.
20:53And then when it ended, I remember looking back at her,
20:55expecting big things.
20:56She went, I mean, I kind of knew.
20:59She was like, I think she gathered it.
21:01Like, as I kept coming, like, there were like things
21:02she would catch and I would cover up with a lie.
21:04I'd be like, well, no, because they actually did something
21:06on our set where they had Brian,
21:08there was clearly a funeral scene that was being shot,
21:10but they had Brian show up to set.
21:12Brian Cox.
21:12He got papped, Brian Cox.
21:13Yeah, he got papped.
21:14And Matthew McFadden's not in that scene at all.
21:17So there was like online speculation,
21:19like, oh, maybe it's his funeral.
21:20Yeah.
21:20And Brian was there in costume.
21:22They had him dressed in costume to sort of,
21:23but things still snuck out and I had to just lie to my wife
21:27for a year.
21:27And no payoff.
21:29But I remember that.
21:31You are amazing in that funeral.
21:33That breakdown is just astonishing that you do.
21:35But was the church full of extras who then went out
21:38and blabbed and went,
21:38you'll never guess what we've just done.
21:40That's what's crazy,
21:41is it was full of people that all knew what it was.
21:43Because, I mean, some of the people had the,
21:45what are the fucking things called?
21:48And some of them had a different character on it.
21:52Some of it was like James Cromwell's character,
21:53but James Cromwell's actually in the funeral
21:55and he gives a speech.
21:57So it's a little bit weird.
21:57I don't know why they're doing that.
21:58I clearly am talking about my father in there.
22:01But that was extraordinary that it didn't leak.
22:03And also the way that we shot it.
22:05They filled the church with background actors,
22:09five cameras we shot on film.
22:10So they had to like, you know, constantly reload.
22:13And there was no rehearsal.
22:14There was nothing.
22:15The director, Mark Milad,
22:16just stood up at the thing with the microphone
22:18and just explained like,
22:20we're just going to run the whole funeral procession
22:21from the casket coming out of the car at the front.
22:23And then the guy who ran the funeral,
22:25actually runs funerals at that church.
22:26And we just ran the entire thing for about an hour.
22:28We just did a funeral service.
22:30And without a rehearsal,
22:31but we'd all read it,
22:32but we never talked about it.
22:33And then it was like,
22:33when it was my turn to go up,
22:35I'm getting up and in the script,
22:36I'm supposed to be interrupted by somebody else,
22:38but we never talked about it.
22:39And I'm seeing it.
22:39And it was just like an amazing way to do something.
22:41We just shot the entire thing all in one
22:43and then it took about an hour to reset
22:45and then we ran another funeral service
22:46and that was pretty much it.
22:47We did it twice.
22:48A couple of little pictures.
22:49Yeah.
22:49It was cool.
22:52Amazing that it didn't leak.
22:53Amazing that it didn't leak.
22:54Because in terms of secrecy,
22:56I mean, presumably, Daniel, on James Bond,
22:58the scripts were under lock and key,
22:59no one had to know.
23:00You'd like to think so,
23:01but they did leak.
23:02They go online sometimes, yeah.
23:05So we'd have to change everything.
23:06Oh, so you'd do that?
23:07You would literally change the film?
23:08No, it was early enough
23:09that we were going to change it,
23:10but they would get out, yeah.
23:12Yeah, but apparently it wasn't like that on Queer.
23:15No, no.
23:16Well, Lucas is not that precious about things.
23:18I mean, my...
23:19Drew's driver, this 23-year-old kid
23:22who I'd been on set for a week,
23:24came up to me and just went,
23:25great script.
23:27LAUGHTER
23:29But Lucas, he just like gives it to everybody.
23:31What do you think?
23:32What do you think?
23:33But don't you think that drivers on sets,
23:35they're the ones who know everything.
23:36This is true.
23:36If you want to know any gossip,
23:38you go to the driver and you're like,
23:39come here, where are we filming next week?
23:41They're like, well, the wedding is here,
23:42and you're like, a wedding!
23:43And you go back and go everywhere.
23:44They know everything, yeah.
23:46They're the gossip writers.
23:47They are.
23:47Yeah, they're the really the Whistledowns, yeah.
23:49And Nicola, Joy, Doctor Who,
23:52will she return, do you think?
23:54Careful.
23:55Careful.
23:58I nearly had her.
23:59Well, look, I had a lovely time in Cardiff,
24:01so I don't know.
24:02I don't know how it works,
24:04but I'm sure if they want me back, maybe.
24:06Have you kept...
24:07Time travel.
24:07Time travel, I guess, yeah.
24:09Have you kept on your Airbnb?
24:10That's my point.
24:11My Airbnb.
24:12Well, do you know, when I was there,
24:13I was like, I'll really help you in here,
24:15and then there's Chipy Alley in Cardiff.
24:17It's a famous lane of chip shops.
24:19Oh, wow.
24:20Oh!
24:20They do curry chips there.
24:22So, you know...
24:24It's so well.
24:24I really took in the culture, you can sense it.
24:27She will return.
24:29You can see Nicola in Doctor Who on BBC One
24:32on Christmas Day at ten past five.
24:35Welcome to a British television voice.
24:37Ten past five.
24:38I know.
24:41You remember that.
24:42Yeah.
24:43Not five past, ten past five.
24:47Jesse Eisenberg and Kieran Culkin bring us A Real Pain.
24:51It's in cinemas from the 8th of January.
24:54And, Jesse, I mean, this is your baby.
24:56You wrote it, directed it, you star in it,
24:58and it's certainly based on a very personal family story.
25:03Yeah, yeah, exactly.
25:04I mean, like, you know, the movie is like semi-autobi...
25:06I was writing fiction, but essentially I was just using
25:08everything that I've heard growing up about my family history.
25:10My family comes from southeastern Poland.
25:13Um, we feel...
25:14Really?
25:16Is that the same person that wooed for him?
25:19I think we have a serial whooper.
25:21Yeah, got it, got it.
25:22Exactly.
25:22Um, yeah.
25:23And so we even, you know, there's a scene, you know,
25:26towards the end of the movie where Kieran and I visit, like,
25:28the house that our grandmother supposedly lived in,
25:30and that was the house that my family lived in up until 1939.
25:33Wow.
25:33So we just ended up doing, you know, it was a movie,
25:36but I didn't want to...
25:37I wanted to make everything kind of as authentic as possible
25:39because it cost the same as making it not authentic.
25:41And so you play two cousins.
25:44You play two cousins on this kind of weird tourist trail.
25:49Yeah, exactly.
25:50In fact, this movie was originally set in Mongolia.
25:53I was writing it based on a story I wrote that took place in Mongolia
25:55of these same two characters, but going to Mongolia for another reason.
25:58The next movie.
25:58What's the next one?
25:59And it was not going well, the script was not going well,
26:02until an ad popped up online that said,
26:05Auschwitz tours with lunch, in parentheses, with lunch.
26:08I was like, what the hell is that?
26:10So I clicked on this ad banner and it took me to a site of essentially,
26:14like, a kind of, you know, middle-class American tour
26:16of Holocaust sites, you know, but where you, like, stay in a nice hotel
26:20and then you eat a nice continental breakfast
26:21and then you visit Auschwitz.
26:22Yeah.
26:23And did you go on one of the tours
26:24or is this your imagining of what it might be like?
26:26This is my imagining of what they are, yeah.
26:28But I did a lot of research with brochures.
26:30Yeah.
26:31Yeah.
26:32So, yeah, it was, you know, but the tone is kind of like watching
26:35these real guys who have an irreverent relationship go to places
26:38that warrant reverence.
26:40Yeah.
26:41Should we see a little clip of the two boys in action?
26:43Uh, this is the two of you on tour.
26:46Uh, it's gone a little awry.
26:48This is the cousins.
26:52Having seen the clip, I now remember I was supposed to warn people
26:56there was a lot of swearing in it.
26:57Oh, yeah.
26:59And were you guys friends?
27:00Always friends?
27:01No.
27:01Oh, so you met for this?
27:02Yeah.
27:03Okay, but what's also weird too, and I need to just tell the world this
27:07because you think this is normal and it's just not.
27:09Yeah.
27:10Um, he cast me without auditioning me or seeing me in anything ever.
27:15What?
27:16And he goes, yeah, but that's fine.
27:18I'm aware of you.
27:20I was like, wait a minute, I met you before.
27:21I was like, we met twice in passing.
27:23Yeah.
27:23And you put me in your mood.
27:25He's still like, yeah.
27:26He has an essence.
27:26Look at his essence.
27:27His essence.
27:28How could you not have this essence?
27:30Yeah.
27:30It's so true.
27:31Yeah.
27:32It's so true.
27:33Yeah.
27:35You can't get an essence and give somebody.
27:37Is that how you got a part?
27:39That's not how you get a job.
27:41An essence.
27:42It's the greatest acting in the world.
27:44Like, I don't know how to describe it except it just felt exactly right.
27:48He's amazing.
27:48Well, you are.
27:49You do seem brilliant.
27:49I mean, did you, but you weren't in your head when you were writing Benji,
27:53you weren't thinking of...
27:53No, no.
27:54I was going to play that role.
27:55And then I was just waiting.
27:56I took it from him.
27:57Yeah.
27:58Yeah.
27:59And is it true that you weren't going to do this film?
28:01You didn't want to do it?
28:02At one point, yes, I did try to back out of this film.
28:05Whoops.
28:07Two weeks before we shot.
28:08Not at one point.
28:09Oh, yeah, yeah.
28:09Two weeks before we...
28:10He didn't know that.
28:11They kept him in the dark about the me trying to get out of the movie thing.
28:15Glad I didn't.
28:20You made a good movie.
28:22It is a really good movie.
28:24Yeah.
28:24And you're both...
28:25It baffles my mind that you were going to play Benji.
28:27Same here, yeah.
28:28Yeah.
28:28Because you both seem so perfect in those roles.
28:30Oh, thanks.
28:31But...
28:32Thanks.
28:32Um...
28:33Yeah.
28:33But we can.
28:35Yeah.
28:37What did you say?
28:38Don't take it personally.
28:39Yeah.
28:40But now, you say you've only met a couple of times.
28:43But is one of those meetings...
28:44It was an audition, wasn't it?
28:46Yeah, exactly.
28:46That's where we first met.
28:47And it was in 2008.
28:48And I had no recollection until Kieran brought it up on it.
28:50I brought it up like a couple of weeks ago.
28:50I know how you feel.
28:51He didn't...
28:53Yeah, I'm very memorable.
28:54Thanks, guys.
28:55But he's asking...
28:56Bring me another goddamn dream.
28:58Yeah.
29:00Uh...
29:00You wanna call the story?
29:01I leave an impression.
29:02No, you tell the damn story.
29:03You tell the story.
29:03I actually never heard it from your perspective.
29:05Because it's less interesting.
29:06You talk.
29:06Really?
29:08Jump in.
29:09Jump in if I get something wrong.
29:10Yeah, we were...
29:10We were at an audition for a movie that I was already acting.
29:13It was called Adventureland.
29:14And I was already in...
29:17That's a lot.
29:18Yes.
29:18And Kieran came in to audition.
29:23The character that Kieran was auditioning for
29:24was supposed to constantly hit me and manhandle me
29:27and knock me around and stuff.
29:29But none of the actors auditioning would do that.
29:31Because it's so...
29:31You know, you don't...
29:32We're in a union.
29:33And so...
29:35But then Kieran came in,
29:37and not only did he punch me in the groin,
29:39which is what the character is scripted to do,
29:41he also grabbed my breasts and twisted them.
29:44As the director, too quietly said,
29:47cut, please cut, please stop, please stop.
29:49Kieran was grabbing onto my chest,
29:51looking over and saying,
29:52what?
29:52What?
29:52And so I remembered this thing,
29:55I think unconsciously,
29:57which is that, like,
29:58I was kind of in control in this room,
30:00and yet somebody came in and, like,
30:02stole the room and also was brilliant.
30:04And that's what this movie is.
30:05Like, I pay for this trip, I arrange the tour,
30:07and yet he comes in and takes over immediately.
30:10Worth noting I didn't get the part.
30:12Oh, OK.
30:16But do you not remember that?
30:18No, I remember that.
30:19He didn't remember it.
30:19Oh, OK.
30:20What was going on in your head
30:21when you decided to do that to him?
30:23Yeah.
30:23Why?
30:24Head?
30:24I don't have one.
30:25I don't know.
30:26I wasn't thinking.
30:27Obviously I'm not thinking.
30:28That's not part of the preparation.
30:29It's like, OK, on this line,
30:30I'm going to touch the left nipple.
30:33There's no...
30:33No, but I do remember when he stopped us,
30:35I was still holding your nipples,
30:36taking the note.
30:36I was like, uh-huh.
30:38OK, OK, so do you want to go back to the beginning?
30:39Oh, sorry, by the way.
30:43But do you do that a lot at auditions?
30:44Do I touch nipples at auditions?
30:46No.
30:46If there's like, let's say,
30:47there's a kissing scene in a movie
30:48and you're auditioning for it and back to the scene.
30:50Do I kiss the person that I'm...
30:52Yeah.
30:52What do you think?
30:53I did that once.
30:54Did you?
30:54Never again.
30:55Why would you do that?
30:56Because I was 13.
30:58I had no idea.
30:58You were 13 and you kissed somebody
31:00you were doing a scene with?
31:00At an audition with.
31:01Did she punch you or what happened?
31:03I think I...
31:04No, I didn't get punched.
31:05It was worse.
31:05I heard from my agent not to do that again.
31:09Yeah.
31:09That is worse, actually.
31:10Oh, you'd be sick.
31:12Yeah.
31:12I did...
31:13Nicol and Daniel are just going,
31:14oh, my God.
31:15Yeah.
31:16I did, I told you this earlier today.
31:17I did get a job once.
31:19I auditioned for...
31:19It was the play Suburbia
31:20and the playwright was there,
31:22Eric Bogosian.
31:22And there's a part where, like,
31:24the character, Buff,
31:25has to mime giving a blowjob.
31:27And I got the part that day.
31:29No, don't.
31:30Just stop.
31:31Mime, I said.
31:33But I said...
31:34He goes, you know what it was?
31:35It was the blowjob.
31:36And I said, oh, why?
31:37Did none of the other actors, like,
31:39drop to the knees and do it?
31:39He goes, no, you were the only one
31:40that cut the balls.
31:46That's action.
31:47Put that on your show.
31:48Yeah.
31:50You can just get that...
31:54Always cut the balls.
31:55There's got to be a dance mix.
31:56There's got to be a dance mix.
31:59Cut the balls.
32:00Cut the balls.
32:00Oh, shit.
32:04I can't leave.
32:07Listen, Real Pain opens here on the 8th of January.
32:11Good luck with that.
32:12And good luck to those who have Golden Globe nominations.
32:16Good luck with those.
32:16Again?
32:16Do you want to?
32:17Yeah.
32:19All right.
32:22It's time for music.
32:24This pop trio made history last year when they became the first group ever to win the
32:30Brit Rising Star Award.
32:32Here performing Access All Areas, it's Flo.
32:35Yes.
32:36Yes.
32:36Cheers to Flo.
32:38Well done.
32:39So, Stella, Georgia, Renee.
32:42Do you know anyone on the couch, by the way?
32:43Have you bumped into anyone at showbiz parties and things?
32:45We haven't met.
32:47From TV.
32:48We know you well.
32:48Lovely.
32:49I saw you guys perform at...
32:51Maybe it was Glamour Awards?
32:53Oh, my God.
32:54That was terrible.
32:54That was Tara Babies.
32:56No, I didn't know.
32:58They're amazing.
32:59We've come a long way.
32:59We have pre-pubescent, so hopefully...
33:01They're amazing.
33:02They're amazing.
33:02We've actually met before, you just don't remember.
33:06It's fine.
33:07Nobody remembers.
33:08No one remembers.
33:09No one remembers.
33:09That was from your debut album, Access All Areas,
33:13which is out now.
33:15Woo!
33:19I love that sound, that kind of R&B sound,
33:22but it's quite kind of nostalgic.
33:23You seem too young.
33:24Did you grow up...
33:25Is that the music you were listening to growing up?
33:27Yes.
33:27Thank you to our mums.
33:28Yes.
33:29Oh, are the mums here?
33:30Hello, mums.
33:32Thank you to our mums.
33:32Thank you to our mums.
33:32Thank you to our mums.
33:34Thank you to our mums.
33:35Well...
33:36There's some...
33:37There's some great music taste going on.
33:40Three hundred percent.
33:41That is beautiful.
33:42Now, I assumed flow was an acronym that stood for something,
33:46or that you'd be like Florence Louise Olive.
33:50But that is not the case.
33:53We also wish it was an interesting story.
33:55Yeah.
33:56So do we.
33:57Yeah.
33:59We're all rooting for you.
34:00It's so boring.
34:02I mean, it's quite random, yeah.
34:03It's cute.
34:04It's just cute.
34:04It's the type of story that we'd get chucked off the red chair.
34:09So where does it come from?
34:11Well, we were brainstorming lots of different names,
34:14and we used to go to this place to write music and bond,
34:17and a fat, fluffy, white cat would, like, come in,
34:21like, it's not our cat, we don't know it,
34:23and we were like, oh, let's call it Flo.
34:25Um, and then, for some reason, we were like,
34:28that could be a potential name for us.
34:30Um.
34:30Well, no, we were going through other names, like...
34:33Terrible names.
34:34Her story.
34:36Minx.
34:36Minx.
34:38I think Minx has been done.
34:40Yeah, yeah.
34:41It wasn't quite right.
34:42Yeah, so even when we said to people,
34:44when we said to people that we wanted to be called Flo,
34:46everyone was like, ugh.
34:47Yeah.
34:48Period app, menstrual cycle.
34:51But we did stuff.
34:52I wasn't going to say it.
34:56I think I needed that, yeah.
34:58Exactly.
34:59Like, yeah.
35:00It's a branding opportunity.
35:01Yeah.
35:02It's a collab.
35:06So, Flo is going on tour.
35:09Yes.
35:09Yes.
35:10There you go.
35:11Aw.
35:13And then Glasgow, Manchester, and Birmingham, and London.
35:18Hopefully that performance will have sold lots of tickets.
35:20Hopefully.
35:21Hopefully.
35:21It's a beautiful, beautiful sound.
35:23It really is.
35:24Thank you very much for that gorgeous performance.
35:26Good luck with the album and the tour.
35:27Flo, everybody.
35:30Really lovely.
35:34Right, nearly it.
35:35Before we go, just time for a quick visit to the big red chair.
35:37Who have we got?
35:38Oh, hello.
35:39Oh, hello.
35:40Don't look so tense.
35:41It'll be fine.
35:42I am nervous.
35:43What's your name?
35:43Brenda.
35:44Brenda.
35:44Where are you from?
35:45The accent's Canadian, but I actually live here in London.
35:48OK.
35:48And what do you do here, Brenda?
35:50I'm actually a mum.
35:51OK.
35:52Lovely.
35:52Yay!
35:54How many kids?
35:57I'm embarrassed to say one and he's 24.
36:01But he's still a kid.
36:03Wow.
36:05Oh, Brenda.
36:06I know.
36:06For him.
36:07That's a red chair story right there.
36:09I know.
36:11Off you go with your story, Brenda.
36:12Right.
36:13So my story is about Adele.
36:14And I was travelling with my son, who was, it was about 10 or 12 years ago and we were
36:19in a small regional airport in the north of Denmark.
36:23And we were already boarded and we were sat in row three, which was the first row of economy,
36:28sort of right in front of the curtain, then there was business in front.
36:31Two rows.
36:32Interesting.
36:33Yeah.
36:33Empty.
36:34Completely empty.
36:35And we were all boarded and there was a bit of a delay and we just didn't know.
36:38There was no one in business class and then I could hear what they were saying
36:41at the front.
36:41The pilot came out and he said, what are we, what's going on?
36:45What are we waiting for?
36:46And they said, well, actually, we're waiting for Adele.
36:49And my son and I went, Adele, who doesn't love Adele?
36:52We're going to be breathing the same air as Adele.
36:56And so we waited and waited and we were so excited.
36:59It made sense to us because she actually had played at a venue not terribly far from
37:03this place.
37:05Of course, yes.
37:05So we were looking out the window, looking out the window and we were thinking, when she
37:09gets on and we get to altitude and the wind and that curtain snaps shut, we're going
37:14to maybe sing, hello from the other side.
37:18And then we were getting more and more excited.
37:21I'm so tempted to flip you, but I want to know what happened.
37:24So we, the big car pulls up and we say, this is it.
37:28This is Adele.
37:29She's coming.
37:29We're going to be best friends.
37:31Then the door opens.
37:32A guy comes out and he bounds up the stairs carrying something the pilot had left behind
37:40and it was a laptop computer and it was Adele.
37:48I mean, it provoked a similar emotion.
37:53We kept waiting.
37:58And then that arrived.
38:01OK, that really is all.
38:02We're going to go.
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