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"If you project power, Russia is not going to attack you" - MEPs Cristian Terheș (ECR) and Cynthia Ní Mhurchú (Renew Europe) discuss the security of Europe on The Ring.
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00:00Hello there and welcome to The Ring, Euronews' brand new debating show broadcasting from the
00:14European Parliament here in Brussels. Once a week, two elected members of the European
00:20Parliament go face to face on some of the most pressing issues of our time. This week,
00:26we're discussing the EU's role in peace talks to end the war in Ukraine and we're asking if we
00:31need to militarize European societies. Before we meet our guests, let's just get you up to speed.
00:38So far, Ukraine and Europe have remarkably been sidelined in negotiations aimed at ending the
00:44war with Russia. US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff met Russian President Vladimir Putin to push a US
00:51sponsored peace deal. Initially concocted with the Kremlin, the plan was amended with European and
00:56Ukrainian inputs after concerns emerged that Kiev would be pressured into unacceptable concessions.
01:02Yet Europe is having a hard time finding a seat at the negotiation table. French President Emmanuel
01:08Macron welcomed Vladimir Zelensky at the Élysée Palace and stressed that no agreement would
01:13materialize without European participation. Voices are also rising in Brussels for Europe to
01:19keep its own plan to ensure a lasting peace in Ukraine and deter Moscow from future military
01:24action. Only the 27 can't agree on how to proceed.
01:28So what's next for the EU? And should the 27 remain a soft power or transition to a military
01:39might? The questions we'll be putting to our contenders. Let's meet them.
01:44Cynthia Newarku, Irish MEP for the Liberal Renew Group. A former journalist and lawyer, she's a devoted
01:51pro-European who believes in dialogue and negotiation under the right circumstances. Any credible peace plan
01:57must involve Ukraine, the EU, the United States and Russia and it cannot be imposed on Ukraine or come
02:04at the expense of its sovereignty, territorial integrity or democratic future, she said.
02:10Christian Terhes, Romanian MEP for the European Conservatives and Reformists Group. Former candidate
02:16for the country's presidency, a defender of national sovereignty, he has dismissed the guarantees given by
02:22the US, Great Britain, Germany and Russia to Ukraine in order to give up its nuclear arsenal in 1994.
02:28Now, he warns against the acceptance of a peace agreement with Russia at any cost. In the natural
02:35tendency, man wants peace immediately. But history shows us the price of hasty decisions, he said.
02:41Cynthia Newarku and Christian Teresh, welcome to The Ring.
02:47Thank you so much for having us.
02:48Thanks, Nave. Hi, Christian.
02:50Hi, Cynthia.
02:50Great to have you with us. Well, look, ladies first, perhaps. We'll kick off with Cynthia Newarku.
02:54Why is the European Union not at the driving seat in the talks to end the war in Ukraine, but always reacting?
02:59No, the EU is at the driving seat, but the driving seat is shared and should be shared
03:07between the nations and the countries that have a vested interest. Obviously, we're in a particular
03:13space whereby America has withdrawn somewhat from its previous historical support through NATO and so
03:21forth. So we are in a new geopolitical atmosphere, as we all know, and therefore we are in the driving
03:27seat very much. But we can't take over in the driving seat. We also need our partners. So Russia
03:32is involved with the United States. And obviously, we have Europe. But most importantly, we have
03:37President Zelensky and Ukraine. And in your clip, you indicated that the coalition of the willing,
03:42indeed, Zelensky was welcome to the Palace Elysee, but he was also welcomed to my country and my
03:47parliament in the Dáil. And I can tell you that Europe stands firm, very firm with Ukraine, because I
03:54think my friend will agree with me, if we don't stand in Europe with Ukraine, who is next? Probably
03:59your country, Romania, possibly Ireland on the western side.
04:03But messages of support in New York who are not enough. We have Kaya Callas. She's the EU foreign
04:05affairs chief, but she's nowhere to be seen in any of those images.
04:08Well, I think Europe, European Union right now has to take the lead in this fight because at the end
04:14of the day, it's not in the US main interest to resolve the situation in Ukraine, but it's in our own
04:20interests in European Union, and especially on countries that are on the eastern flank of NATO.
04:25As Cynthia rightfully mentioned, we are very concerned in Eastern Europe, because if Ukraine
04:32collapses, who is next? It's someone from the Baltic region, it's Romania, who's next?
04:36Messages of support is another thing, but has the EU done enough?
04:39I'm sorry, Maeve. I mean, I watched the news overnight. Putin has withdrawn from the peace talks.
04:45Putin does not want peace. Russia does not want peace. Europe has bent over
04:49backwards in their very professional, organized way. Bearing in mind, we have 27 member states
04:54and has really negotiated very skillfully and very hard. And I don't really accept any criticism of
05:00Kaya Callas. She may not be seen in pictures, but I'm not depending on her being seen in pictures.
05:04I'm depending on her and her team negotiating hard, and they have been doing that. But bear in
05:09mind, they didn't withdraw. Putin has withdrawn. He's no interest in peace.
05:13Why did the EU get sidelined by the Trump 28-point peace plan?
05:16That's very, very simple. And I mean, again, I'm sure Christian will agree. President Trump
05:21has set up these so-called collaborative talks, which are not collaborative in any way because
05:26the United States did not come as the arbitrator, as the mediator, with its proposed plan drawn from
05:33both sides. He came with a Russian plan. And we saw Steve Whitcoff. He's been to Moscow around six
05:39times, but never visited Kyiv. As you can see right now, we talk too much about what you, what US does or
05:44what US wants. The question is what EU does. Exactly.
05:47And when you talk to Russia, historically speaking, you have to negotiate with Russia from a position
05:52of power, because the only language that the Russian would listen to is the language of power.
05:59We talk too much. We don't act enough. Not only that we don't act enough, we don't act strong.
06:03I give an example. Nord Stream 2, for example. When Trump was elected in 2016, he sanctioned the
06:08companies that were built in Nord Stream 2. When Biden was elected in 2020, he lifted the sanctions.
06:13That's how Nord Stream 2 was finalized. Then we saw what happened in 2022. For so many years,
06:18there were so many talks, even here in the European Parliament.
06:20Yeah. But behind the scenes, many EU countries, you know, still conducted business with Russia.
06:26So we paid for this for this work. Yeah, I totally agree with Christian when he says about,
06:30you know, not acting up quickly enough, because if we look back at the initial invasion of Putin
06:35into Ukraine, that's when Europe should have acted more comprehensively, more firmly. And they didn't.
06:40And we really are paying the price of that now. But I don't accept the premise that Europe is in some
06:45way way too weak or way too ineffective. I do believe that progress will be made. Look at how Trump is
06:52stymied. Every time he says there's a deadline, Maeve, every time he says it's a deadline,
06:56that deadline is passed and we move to a next phase. He wants a quick fix. He won't learn the
07:01lesson, Trump, that we can't get a quick fix when he's asking Ukraine to give up its sovereignty.
07:06And then he's going to ask Romania to give up their sovereignty and Poland. And where I was standing in
07:12Estonia some weeks ago, looking across at the Russian border and realizing how threatened all these
07:18countries on the eastern flank. But you know what? It's only a hair's breadth away from Ireland.
07:22And you say, of course, the Kremlin only understands the language of power.
07:26How would you react to Vladimir Putin's comments this week when he said he's ready for a war with
07:30Europe? I would not react with words. I would react with actions. We need to build up our defense.
07:35But on top of that, we need to set ourselves the proper mindset in dealing with Russia.
07:41And I paraphrase what the former Taliban leader told many U.S. generals when they had a meeting.
07:46The general, the U.S. general said, well, we got to finish this fast, fast, fast. And the Taliban says,
07:50you know what is the difference between you and us? What? You have the watch. We have the time.
07:55So the Russians right now are using exactly the same strategy.
07:59Yes. Cynthia was right when she mentioned that Trump is always, you know, coming up with these
08:04deadlines, you know, from one day to another. You cannot have in such a complicated situation,
08:09a peace deal from one day to another. In order to do that, you need to take, you know,
08:13enough time to do it. But on top of that, you need to have a strong defense behind your words.
08:19Yes. So for many decades, the European Union expected that if something happens,
08:24U.S. is there to defend us. Yes.
08:26U.S. can help. But U.S. apparently right now cannot drive this anymore.
08:30Not only do we need to stand up and smell the coffee with regards to the mindset of Putin,
08:35which I think Europe did a long time ago when they failed to interact and investigate what was going
08:41on in the late in the early 2000s, I should say, when Russia invaded first Donbass, etc. But
08:47unfortunately, we have the mindset of Trump thrown in for good measure. And of course,
08:52we realize that all the power, all the might, all the money which Ukraine has been so dependent on,
08:56as well as the huge investment from Russia, it's a very delicate balance. So, sorry, you talk about
09:01mindset. There still is a wonderful aspect of politics called diplomacy. But of course,
09:07Trump doesn't have that in his dictionary or his lexicon. It doesn't exist. And so, therefore,
09:11Kaya Callas and the negotiating team have to negotiate in a completely different way.
09:17It has to be deferential. It has to be sycophantic. And it has to allow the bully in the room to triumph.
09:22Kaya is coming from one of the Baltic countries and she had very strong statements, which is very
09:28important. But it's important also, as she even mentioned in some of her speeches, to understand
09:33the lesson of history. The first country that was attacked by Russia in the 21st century was Georgia
09:38in 2008. Because Georgia, in April of 2008, was not accepted in NATO because two NATO countries vetoed
09:45their accession. So, what happened after the war in Georgia in August 2008? Russia occupied South
09:52Tosetya and Pazia. But in 2009, a new US president took office, Obama. The first thing that he did
09:59once he took office was to resume the relationship with Russia. Russia came with a precondition. That
10:05said, and I quote, you need to forget everything that happened in 2009. We start from scratch. Well,
10:10they do not start from scratch. They keep everything that they got so far. And from this point on,
10:15they want to negotiate. Back to Europeans, to our viewers watching here today, Cynthia Newarku,
10:19is it time to militarize our societies? Is it time for your voters, your children to start learning
10:23how to fight? I'll tell you what it's time for now. It's time to realize that the cooperative military
10:30organizations that we have in relation to procurement, in relation to training, in relation to sharing
10:36intelligence, that needs to be ramped up. And yes, Europe has already reacted to the fact in the last
10:43couple of months that the budget of each country, we have to commit a certain percentage. Should
10:48we have voluntary military subscription for all Europeans? Yes. And we need to understand that the
10:52biggest security guarantees that any country has, it's its own military. No foreigner and no stranger
10:59is going to come and die for your country. And we politicians, elected officials, we need to make this
11:03point very clear. Nobody is going to come and die for your country. If you, whomever you are in what
11:10elected office you are, you need to make this clear to your people. So you have to have,
11:14you have to build up your country to be resilient to any kind of interference from outside, either
11:20military interference, you know, electoral interference, any kind of malign interference.
11:25So building up your military is one step, but not the only step. Because we need to defend,
11:31for example, and make sure that we safeguard our correctness of the electoral process.
11:35But we also need negotiation, Maeve, and we need diplomacy. So we need both.
11:39Those two elements which Trump doesn't like. Let me stop you there,
11:43because it is now to take time to take the gloves off here.
11:49That means, Cynthia and Christian, you can challenge each other directly, just like you do
11:53in the hemiphycal. Cynthia, you can kick off with your very first question for Christian.
11:57Certainly. Are you worried at the statement of Putin overnight, which stated,
12:04if Europe want war, we are ready for war? And how do you think Europe should react to that statement?
12:11I have to say that Putin said it from 2007, fall of 2007, in Lisbon, during a summit between EU and
12:19Russia. And he said something, and I paraphrase him, if the foreign, if the international community is
12:25going to recognize the independence of Kosovo, all the frozen conflicts from Eastern Europe are going
12:29to melt. And he nominated South Ossetia, Pazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria. So that was fall of
12:352007. We saw what happened in 2008. We saw then what happened in 2014 and what happened in 2022.
12:42He's tricking us with words. Russia was preparing for this war, for this war, not from today or from like
12:492014. Russia was preparing for this war a few years after Putin to power.
12:55So what should the reaction be? Well, we need to react. You need to prepare yourself for war.
12:59You need not to attack someone, but to be able to defend yourself.
13:03Because is that not scaremongering? Are our viewers not sitting at home fretting?
13:06I'm not scaring anybody. I'm realistic. Look at what Churchill said, for example, during the Second
13:12World War. It's exactly the kind of leadership that we need and we are missing right now.
13:16I think we need to have a nuanced, mature conversation with our voters, whether we're
13:21on the western periphery in Ireland or we're in Estonia and we're right up against it, the country
13:26of Kayakalas. We need to have a mature conversation that about the militarization and the investment
13:32in militarization. No, it doesn't mean a united European army, but it does mean massive cooperation,
13:39massive investment. But can we afford it? I mean, we will have to afford it, even though there are
13:44competing interests, whether it's farmers, which are very dear to my heart, whether it's
13:48businesses, whether it's education, Erasmus. But right now, at this point in time, we are under
13:54threat. This is the closest we've been to the Cold War that I can remember.
13:58Christian, your question now for Cynthia?
14:00You were mentioning about the price. I have to say that it's cheaper to invest in your own defense
14:05than to support the war. And we see the situation in Ukraine. It's way cheaper.
14:08Christian, your opportunity now to address a question to Cynthia.
14:11Yes, considering the... I hope it's a simple one.
14:13Well, we'll see, you know. So do you think you could have done more to help Ukraine? And if so, what?
14:20Absolutely not. I don't believe they could have done more. I think the amount of money that Europe has
14:26put in, more than the United States, and the amount of talks, time given to talks, preparation given
14:34for talks and leading out, they couldn't have done any more. I think they have ramped up and reacted
14:39with regards to the commitment of the member states to their military spend, to their defense spend.
14:44I don't think with 27 member states who have very different constitutional setups and structures,
14:51I don't see how Europe could have done more. Are we perfect? Of course not. I'm not suggesting that.
14:56But sorry, this is in real time, Maeve.
14:58But certainly not enough has been done, Cynthia, if we're entering the fourth winter of war.
15:02Ursula van der Leyen, and I wouldn't be the biggest fan of Ursula van der Leyen or President
15:06van der Leyen, but Ursula van der Leyen has reacted as swiftly as she can to a devastating new
15:13geopolitical situation that Christian has referred to, which is no support anymore from Europe,
15:17stand on your own two feet, get on with it. Would you agree with Cynthia?
15:21Up to a point, yes. But I think the EU could have done more sooner. Because now we have the 19th
15:28package of sanctions, you know. Many of these sanctions could have been done right at the
15:31beginning of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. On top of that, we could have cut their finances.
15:38Even right now, for example, the transportation corridors, for example, from Central Asia and China,
15:44all the goods that are coming to Europe, they are still coming through Russia, which is absurd.
15:48So on one side, you're claiming, and rightfully so, that Russia declared war to Europe. On the other
15:53side, you do business with them. It doesn't make any sense. This is what I'm calling on public
15:59officials, you know, to be correct and to be straightforward with the population, because
16:03it's the only way to be able to properly defend from this kind of attacks.
16:08And briefly, what leverage do the Europeans have over President Trump, for example, who seems to trust
16:13the Russians more than he does the EU?
16:15I think the leverage that we have over the United States is to show the United States
16:19that we have heard the message loud and proud for President Trump. We are standing on our own
16:24two feet and we do have a plan. But Christian is right. There can be certainly a ramping up,
16:29particularly in relation to, excuse me, the financial sanctions, a ramp up of that, instead of having
16:35so many talks about talks. Now, bearing in mind that countries, some countries in Europe are more
16:40adversely affected if we do impose the trading sanctions. So we have to be careful that we don't
16:44create another crisis. But you're quite right. Perhaps more could be done in that regard.
16:48But with regards to America, I think Christian is right. We have to stand up with a powerful voice.
16:54Kaya Callas is doing that. She's doing it in a feminine way, which obviously juxtaposes against
16:59President Trump, who's calling journalist Miss Piggy on Air Force One. But at the same time,
17:04I would prefer to have her leadership rather than the likes of what we're seeing across the pond.
17:09Cynthia, we're a big fan there of Kaya Callas. Look, we've heard some points of view from our MEPs here.
17:14And now I would like to bring in another voice.
17:21And I'd like to bring in the voice of Ben Hodges, the former commanding general of the US Army Europe,
17:26speaking to me earlier here on Euronews. He said,
17:29the US really sees Europe as inconsequential, except maybe for some business purposes.
17:35Europe, he said, is slowly waking to the realization that they cannot count on the US
17:40to be a fair interlocutor here. Christian, are we inconsequential?
17:45Up to a point, yes. He said we're fourth on the list of the priorities of the Americans.
17:50Yes, because for so many years, we allowed ourselves to be fourth on their list.
17:55Trump said, when he was asked recently or a few months ago, what is his position on Ukraine
18:01and how the US is going to react to what is happening there? He said, you know,
18:04there are two oceans between US and Russia, which geographically is correct. There are two oceans,
18:09Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean. It should be us, the Europeans, the driving force of the peace
18:16dealing in Ukraine. And we are not right now because we talk too much and we act soft.
18:21Russia, this is the important, look, every time when Putin speaks, he makes reference to certain
18:27historical events. Russia developed a technique to twist historical events to their favor.
18:33Yeah. And they use that in a way to shape the narrative and to influence the population.
18:39We come with this, sometimes tough talks, but with soft actions. And we speak and we talk publicly about
18:47immediate consequences. Let's do something right now. They have the time to wait. And then when they
18:53make any reference to history, they twist what happened in the past.
18:56Can I just say, Trump has forgotten that he's got a major trading block and he's got
19:01major economic ties to Europe. And he's kind of forgotten about that because he's speed dating
19:06China and he's speed dating Putin. But he's after finding out now, he's after sending Jared Krushner,
19:12his son-in-law and he's after sending Steve Widkoff and so forth. And they're after being given,
19:17as we say in Ireland, the bums rush, the shut door. They're gone now. And their proposals about
19:22more business ties between America and Russia have come to zero, zero. And now Trump is going to think,
19:28we do have an awful lot of dependency in terms of our business benefits from Europe.
19:34And interesting this week as well, NATO foreign ministers gathered in Brussels without
19:38the US Secretary of State Marco Rubio around the table. A very unusual move. But on that point,
19:42we can close this conversation to take a very short break here on The Ring. But do stay with us,
19:47because we'll be back very soon with some more political punch from the heart of the European
19:51Parliament.
20:02Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews's weekly debating show broadcasting from the European Parliament here
20:08in Brussels. I'm joined by the MEP's Cynthia Niwarku from Renew Europe and Christian Teres from the
20:13European Conservatives and Reformists. And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament debates to
20:18your very couch. So, what about you? How do you feel about the war in Ukraine? Has the EU done enough?
20:25And would you be willing to fight if Russia invaded your country or another EU member state?
20:30Well, Euronews's reporters, talk to the streets of Athens, Madrid, Bucharest and Warsaw to find out. Take a look.
20:36For my family. I don't want to go anywhere else. I don't want to go anywhere else. I don't want to stay here.
20:40I don't want to stay here. I don't want to stay here. I can help myself in one way.
20:44I think that we should fight as a country. If I'm in a country, I would be opposed to the fight.
20:48Because as a unit, I would definitely not take a fight.
20:53I always fight for my country. Of course. I think that it's a honor to die for my country.
20:59So, of course. I die for my country. It's a great honor.
21:02It's a shame that we have to be thinking about this type of training.
21:06In Europe, we have lived, in quotes, very well.
21:09And maybe now we have to take a look at it.
21:12But I think that before than us, we have to our young people, that we've already had an age.
21:16I, yes. Even this year, I'm planning to be a reservist.
21:20But if there was a 1.000, I'd like to go anywhere else.
21:22For Greece, yes. I don't want to risk my life for a third country.
21:28Interesting, right? To see how many people said they would actually be happy to die for their country.
21:33But we don't get to that point where somebody has to physically die.
21:37War is the last resort. When you go to war, you know, that's the collapse of diplomacy.
21:42So, in order to prevent a war, you need to prepare for war.
21:46Everybody talks right now and understand the reason why and they are afraid or, you know,
21:50in support of going to war. But that's the last resort.
21:53We need to prepare, you know, with all these things before that.
21:56And I'm telling you, if you're strong and you project power, Russia is not going to attack you.
22:01Russia is like a bear. A bear is going to attack a weak animal.
22:04What is this on people's minds, do you think, Cynthia Newarku? In Ireland, for example, a country that's far away from...
22:09I deal with Ireland and Ireland wasn't boxpot. But what that shows is the difference, the diversity.
22:15But we have to have inclusivity. For me, Europe is full of diversity, inclusivity and liberal values.
22:20That might be different for Christian's party. But having set that aside,
22:24it shows that we as elected representatives in Europe need to speak to our voters in a very reasonable,
22:31informative, intelligent way about the fact that militarisation doesn't mean a European army.
22:37It doesn't mean the destruction of neutrality in Ireland. It doesn't mean that youngsters in Ireland
22:41are going to be signed up for conspiration. It means different things to different countries.
22:45But there's got to be a unity amongst Europe in relation to the protection of Europe and fortress
22:52Europe. But it doesn't mean capital F. So what answers, Cynthia, would you have gotten if you
22:56went out to speak to your voters about that topic? Oh, I think the answer in Ireland would be that
23:00people are very, very afraid of a militarisation that destroys our neutrality, attacks it in any way,
23:07because that is held very dearly. And of course, it's in our constitution. So it's different for
23:12each country. It's very easy to be critical of the EU in terms of its negotiating skills and its
23:17sanctions and so forth. But we have a job to do as well. It's not all about the higher echelons of
23:22Europe leading out. So has the message been wrong from Brussels then? They haven't got it right,
23:26this idea of rearming Europe? Well, rearming Europe, it's a good project and we really support it.
23:31But we need to go back to the narrative. He who friends the argument wins the debate. The whole debate
23:36right now in both in Brussels and in D.C., it's about let's have a peace. The narrative in Moscow is
23:42let's win. So we don't talk anymore in Europe nor in D.C. about winning a war that we didn't
23:49have started. We were attacked. We didn't. We always talk about let's have peace. So Putin knows that.
23:54And Christian and I at the break discussed Putin wants more. He wants to grab. The conversation in
24:00Russia is about grabbing more. Exactly. Because if you give land in exchange for peace,
24:06tomorrow you'll have another war so they can take more land for pretended peace. I was in an
24:11official delegation in Latvia and I could see into Russia. The first billboard in Russia,
24:17once you pass the the the checking point, it's victory. So their mindset since their young age,
24:23kids in Russia are educated to win this war against the West. This is not the war that started in 2014
24:29or in 2008. Started way earlier than that. If we don't change our mindset to understand that we have on the
24:35other side. It's not even the other side of the table because they're not at the table. The other
24:40side of the battlefield pretty much, an opponent that really wants to wipe you out, you will not
24:45be able to win this war. So I would use exactly the same narrative as Ronald Reagan used to say
24:49when he was asked, how do you think the Cold War is going to end? Very simple. We win, they lose.
24:54And on that point we can bring this segment to an end and move on to our fifth and final round.
25:03Our guest MEPs are only allowed answer my question with a yes and no answer. Is that doable,
25:08Christian? Yes, bring it on. Should Ukraine join the European Union? Yes. Yes. Should they be fast
25:16start into the European Union? Yes. Yes. Should Ukraine be allowed to join NATO? That is still on
25:26the, that's a very, that's not a binary, yes or no. Christian? Yes. What about peacekeepers? Should
25:30we be sending EU peacekeepers to Ukraine? Christian? We should send more weapons to Ukraine. And
25:35peacekeepers? When the time comes, yes. We should indeed, absolutely. And I would be absolutely delighted
25:40if our Irish peacekeeping forces could go to Ukraine. They have a wonderful history. Should the EU have an army?
25:46Yes. But he already has a national army. We need to make sure that they work together and
25:51fight for the same cause. Should the EU have a national, a European army with the European flag?
25:56If I understand it in the way you're putting the question, no, I don't believe in that.
26:00Should we use frozen Russian acids to fund Ukraine? Most definitely. Yes. Should we block then the Belgian
26:07veto for this? Well, we need to talk more inside of the EU to make sure that they understand the game that
26:14that is played here. Yes, to his answer. I agree with his answer. And if the war did end and Russia
26:21did come around, should we lift the sanctions against Russia, Cynthia? Yes, I believe in the spirit
26:27of finality of the war. But of course, Putin doesn't believe in finality. He just wants more. He wants to
26:34make the Russian empire great again or better than it is now. Christian? We need to make sure that Russia
26:40loses this war. The sanctions should be kept on place until they fully pay Ukraine for the damage
26:48that they've done. Have you agreed with each other? I think quite a lot, right? Well, this is a topic that,
26:52despite our ideological differences, you know, this is a topic that unites us. And I know this show is
26:59more about fighting and stuff. Sometimes politicians from different political groups will need to
27:05understand that there are issues that exceed their political differences. And this is one. I hope this
27:11programme renews the viewers' interest and support for the European project. We certainly have shown our
27:17viewers, I believe, a glimpse of the European hemicycle where sometimes MEPs disagree and sometimes,
27:22in fact, they agree. Cynthia Mirku and Christian Teresh, thank you so much for being our guests on The Ring.
27:27Thanks, Maeve. And thank you so much for watching. If you have any views on anything you've heard today,
27:33please get in touch. TheRing at Euronews.com. That is our email address. We'll see you very soon here on Euronews.
27:52So, let me put this in touch with you.
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