00:00Dr. Ajay Alok, Congress asks, where is the evidence to prove Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
00:05sought treasury funds, government money to build Babri Masjid and Sardar Patel opposed it?
00:16If you go through the cabinet archives of 1949, when the first government was formed
00:21and Jawaharlal Nehru became the prime minister way back in 1946,
00:24in 1949 the proposal very much came there and which was absolutely rejected
00:29by none other than Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel and in the contrary Mr. Nehru said
00:33that what was the need for the Somnath Temple to which the answer came what he just now said
00:37that the Somnath Temple is completely funded by the people who have collected 30 lakhs
00:43for its renovation. The bucks didn't stop here.
00:47When Dr. Rajinder Pashad was invited to inaugurate the Somnath Temple,
00:52Mr. Nehru objected to it which is there in the written. Again, a letter was written
00:56that you should not go because India being a secular country, you should not go to
01:00to inaugurate a temple. This legacy continued. It didn't stop here only.
01:05If you remember after 1991, the late Prime Minister Narasimha Rao, on the floor of the house he said
01:11that the new Babri Masjid will be constructed by the government.
01:14So this kept on happening. This appeasement politics continued before the independence,
01:20after independence and this legacy was carried out by the Gandhi family continuously till now.
01:26Let me bring in Dr. Shama Mohammed.
01:30Somebody is making Babri Masjid from TNC MLA.
01:32Okay. Dr. Shama Mohammed, the BJP accuses the Congress of appeasement politics and says there's a long history
01:40history from the time of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru. The BJP claims it reflects an anti-Hindu mindset of the Congress.
01:48The stance, you know, two aspects being raised. One, hostile on the Somnath Temple.
01:54Two, you know, Dr. Rajinder Prasad attending it. Rajnath Singh's statement that, you know,
02:01Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru wanted government funds for Babri Masjid construction, madam.
02:05Gaurav Savant, I have known you for years. You are a good anchor, a good journalist,
02:12and you go by facts and evidences. I'm so shocked that you're doing a show on what Rajnath Singh said.
02:19Now, Dr. Ajay Alok spoke. He never said anywhere in what he said. He said Pandit Nehru was against Somnath.
02:26He said he went on to what is the other person, Narasimha Rao, our former prime minister, said this and that.
02:31But nowhere he said what Rajnath Singh said, that Jawaharlal Nehru wanted funds to build a Babri Masjid.
02:40So that itself we can understand as no evidence. I'm telling you today, I just got the news.
02:46I got a call just now that Rajnath Singh is converted to Islam. Do you know that, Gaurav Savant?
02:51I just got a call. Rajnath Singh is now a Muslim. So this is the thing. You have to do a debate on that now.
02:58Because Rajnath Singh goes out and says something that has happened, which he thinks is right.
03:04Is that the basis of you doing a debate? Have they shown you any of the evidence?
03:09He's defence minister of India.
03:10I don't give a damn he's a defence minister if he doesn't come out with facts.
03:15I don't care who the hell he is. There is something. You're a journalist of caliber.
03:20The BJP has gone mad. They come out to divert and distract from SIR.
03:26And the most important thing right now, pollution, which is killing Ajay Alok, who's a doctor himself.
03:32He knows what is COPD. Gaurav Savant, it's killing him. He lives in Noida.
03:37And they say Noida is worse than Delhi. And it's killing us and many others. That's the most important topic.
03:43I want to know, Ajay Alok, I've heard that Rajnath Singh is converted into Islam. Can you tell me if it's the truth or not?
03:49Okay, Ajay Alok, since there's a direct reference to you, you want to respond to what the Congress party's spokesperson says, both on the issue of the defense.
03:55Because he never said, where is the Babri Masjid thing?
03:58Dr. Ajay Alok and Dr. Shama Muhammad, we put both the good doctors on screen.
04:03I'm insulting, one second, one more thing, Gaurav Savant. And insulting the Prime Minister. Remember, the ban of RSS was done by Sardar Vallabhai Patel and not Jawaharlal Nehru.
04:13You keep telling Sardar Vallabhai Patel, stop this bloody nonsense. Enough is enough, all right?
04:19Do not pick up stories about Pandit Nehru, who was one of the great Prime Ministers of this country. Enough is enough.
04:25Okay, Dr. Ajay Alok wants to respond, ma'am.
04:26Stories about Narendra Modi, or for that matter, Vajpayee. We will never do that.
04:31Okay, Dr. Ajay Alok.
04:32I guess I don't expect the sanctity of words to be maintained here when it cannot be maintained in the Parliament.
04:40So all the slangs of bloody and I don't care and I give a damn, keep it to yourself.
04:46We also don't care and we give a damn.
04:47And I guess you didn't hear my initial statement when I said in 1949 a Cabinet proposal came to fund Babri Masjid,
04:54for which the documented evidence is there, in the archives of the Government of India.
04:58That is a fact. Don't run away.
05:00And if Sardar Vallabhai Patel banned, don't shout in between.
05:03Do it to me.
05:04Don't shout in between. Don't shout in between.
05:06I have to read, because you're talking nonsense.
05:07Okay, one by one.
05:08You're talking nonsense.
05:09One by one.
05:10We have already shown.
05:11We had already shown.
05:13Lick, lick.
05:13One by one.
05:14Okay.
05:15Yeah.
05:15Keep your cool.
05:16Dr. Shama Mohammed and Dr. Ajay Alok on air, please.
05:18We are going to be like this for the next 30, 40 years.
05:20We have...
05:21Yeah.
05:23Go on, Dr. Alok.
05:23We have already shown the late Subhash Chandra Bose diary.
05:26We are already in the process of showing many things, which is hidden, which is not there in the history,
05:31which is going to be the part of the history, which is troubling you, which is troubling you,
05:34which is troubling you, if Sadaar Patel banned us, if Sadaar Patel banned us, why are you shouting in between?
05:40Okay, one by one.
05:41I don't want to go beyond evidence.
05:55Where is the evidence when you accuse a former Prime Minister who is not alive to defend himself?
06:01I want evidence.
06:02Anxiety and irritability...
06:03Yes, Dr. Ajay Alok.
06:05Your...
06:05Your anxiety and irritability cannot change the facts.
06:11These are the facts.
06:12And if Sadaar Patel banned us, after the death of Masma Gandhi, Sadaar Patel only lifted the ban.
06:18Dr. Mohammed, just let him come to this point.
06:20Sadaar Patel only lifted the ban.
06:21You know, he lifted...
06:22And your...
06:22You know, he heard you.
06:24Hear him out.
06:24I'll come back to you, madam.
06:26Just hear him out.
06:26I can't hear something which is nonsensical, Gaurav.
06:28Where are the evidence made?
06:30Evidence?
06:30See, he's a doctor.
06:31A disease has got...
06:33We do evidence-based facts.
06:34This is nothing but...
06:34This is nothing but the anxiety.
06:37So, you're not a doctor.
06:37The anxiety of hiding the...
06:38Hiding the truth.
06:40You're not a Farzee doctor.
06:40This is nothing but the anxiety of hiding the truth.
06:43That why...
06:43Dr. Mohammed, no personal attacks.
06:45What you are.
06:45Mind your language.
06:46Enough.
06:48Enough.
06:49Okay.
06:49I've heard you enough.
06:51Bloody, bloody, bloody.
06:51What do you think you are?
06:53You can speak anything.
06:53Any nonsense on the TV.
06:55And get away with it.
06:56Mind your language.
06:57From being courteous.
06:58On the substantive issue.
06:59On the substantive issue.
07:01Evidence kaha hai.
07:02Be courteous.
07:02Okay.
07:03Okay, Dr. Alok.
07:05We are not discussing our personal matters here.
07:07Sabot dikha do.
07:08Sabot dikha do.
07:09When I'm saying one after the other thing, listen to me.
07:11We don't want to go beyond.
07:12Okay, only Dr. Ajay Alok so that he can make the point.
07:15There are evidence.
07:15Dr. Shama Mohammed, just let Dr. Ajay Alok complete his point.
07:19I'm coming back to you.
07:20Dr. Alok, complete your point, sir.
07:21One after the other, we have given the evidence and we'll come out with this evidence also
07:28that there was a cabinet proposal in which Nehru proposed that the Babri Masjid be built
07:32to maintain the mutual trust post-1948 communal rights.
07:37Let's build the Babri Masjid.
07:38It came up in the cabinet.
07:40You know every cabinet proposal, whether accepted or rejected, is kept in the government archive.
07:44It's there for everyone to see.
07:46Congress knows this very well.
07:47Now, they are afraid that if we bring out this, this will open another Pandora's box.
07:52Secondly, second thing, if Sardar Patel banned RSS, Sardar Patel only lifted RSS, the ban
07:56on RSS, and he wrote a good comprehensive three-pages letter which is there in the documented
08:01evidence.
08:01And she talks about RSS.
08:03It was Mr. Nehru only who invited RSS post-China war to participate in a Republic Day parade.
08:09She conveniently forgets everything.
08:11This Congress party banned RSS thrice after that, during emergency, which was lifted by
08:15court.
08:1691 post-Babri Masjid demolition lifted by court.
08:18Okay, I want to once again come back to a substantive issue.
08:21You are nothing in front of RSS.
08:21Of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru.
08:22This is the essence of this country.
08:25Okay, Dr. Shama Mohammed, the BJP has also quoted an excerpt from the inside story of
08:30Sardar Patel, the diary of Moneyband Patel, which reads and I quote and I put that quote
08:34out in public domain for our viewers also.
08:38It says, Nehru also raised the issue, the question of Babri Masjid, but Sardar made it
08:43clear that the government could not spend any money for building a mosque.
08:48And then it goes on to give a reason.
08:50Would you want to respond to Moneyband Patel's book?
08:53Gaurav, I can write a book.
08:55Some idiot can write a book.
08:56Ma'am, this is Sardar Patel's daughter.
09:00You know, no, no, listen to me.
09:01I don't care who it is.
09:03I want to see evidence from...
09:05She's calling Sardar Patel's daughter an idiot.
09:07What kind of a language is being used?
09:10Parliamentary school community cutta hai, dustta hai.
09:13Here she's using all kind of bloody slangs and all, idiot and all.
09:16Dr. Alok, let Dr. Mohammed complete her point, sir.
09:18Here put to your ear the abuses of Congress.
09:22Yes.
09:23No, I request all my guests.
09:24I request my guests to keep the language civil.
09:28You know, this is a show which is widely watched by families and children.
09:33But Dr. Mohammed, complete your point, ma'am.
09:35My point is very simple.
09:37Listen to me, Gaurav.
09:38You are a senior journalist.
09:40You can't accuse a prime minister of somebody writing a book or something else.
09:45We don't know what happened there.
09:47Just bring out...
09:48He says it's in the archives.
09:50Bring it out tomorrow.
09:51Rajnath said you bring it out and put it out there.
09:54This is there or where there is that letter from Jawaharlal Nehru to Patel.
09:59I mean, you can't...
10:00You know, you can't do this.
10:02Enough is enough.
10:03Tomorrow, I can say so-and-so was behind the Gujarat riots or somebody else converted into...
10:08And who went to Jinnah's grave?
10:10Who went to Jinnah's grave?
10:12It was Advani.
10:13Nobody from our party.
10:14Jinnah's grave.
10:15Advani went there.
10:16One of their tallest leaders.
10:17So, that is called evidence.
10:20That's a fact.
10:21Because we have evidence.
10:22Now, you come out and see...
10:23Ajay Alok, give me a moment.
10:26Okay, fair enough.
10:27You're saying bring out that evidence in public domain and let it not be just anecdotal references.
10:33You know, and we have great respect for Sardar Patel and Maniwain Patel as far as India today is concerned.
10:40That's...
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