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00:00Welcome to Sorry I Didn't Know. I'm your host Shizy Akadulu and I'll be your florist inhaling the sweet scent of our stories and picking the petals of progressive power from the bouquet of black brilliance. I bring you history with a touch of colour.
00:30To my right, pollinating the panel with punchlines, it's Richard Blackwood. Who's joining you tonight, Rich? To my left, this comedian often gets mistaken for clear boarding and once had a disastrous run-in with royalty. It's Daniel Fox.
00:50And to my right is a man so dedicated to comedy that after 25 years, he called his new show Married to the Game. It's comedian on my bedroom, Kojo Anim.
01:02And to my left, likely to give you hay fever, it's Eddie Catton. Who's joining you, Eddie?
01:14Well, Shizy, to my right is my G, fellow Radio 1 Extra DJ and a powerhouse known as your local energy provider. You'll see why as soon as she gets going. This one here is Remy Burks.
01:26Now, to my left is a man who went from being a banker to a career in comedy but probably got a heck of doing both. It's Aishan Akbar.
01:38Nice guy. Welcome to you all. Remy, now, as a fellow Nigerian woman, I have a bone to pick with you. If you could only eat jollof rice...
01:48Sorry, Nigerian jollof rice or a full English for the rest of your days, which would it be?
01:55OK, so, you said just jollof rice, right? No, no, Nigerian.
01:59OK, Nigerian jollof rice, right? You have not mentioned plantain, chicken. You have not mentioned any of the other things that come with it.
02:07So, for that reason, I'm going to say full English. Because there's range on the plants. Come on.
02:13You have protein, fibre, carb... You know what I'm saying?
02:17You can have turkey rashes, beef, you know what I mean? Egg, you know?
02:21So, if it's jollof plus anything else you wanted, which one would you go for?
02:25You know, if I get anything that normally comes with jollof rice, then we're going with jollof rice.
02:29OK. Is it mad that I prefer Ghanaian jollof rice?
02:32Oh, go away. And, you know, I'm not helping myself here.
02:34Remy, you must leave! Leave!
02:36Can I just say, all this jollof chat, biryani for life, baby.
02:40LAUGHTER
02:43Right, right, go! Right, go!
02:46Ishan, you started off in private banking. I did.
02:50Was it all white generational wealth and gold cards?
02:53Yeah, I mean, for the clients it was, not for me. Like, one year, I had a really good year.
02:57Because I'm Asian, so I'm good at maths, innit? And...
03:00So, things went really well. And then I said to my boss, listen, can I have a promotion?
03:04He was like, all right, give me five weeks, I'll come back to you with a really good offer.
03:07I was like, this is going to be sick. I want to buy a Mercedes, things are looking up.
03:10Five weeks later, he comes to me and he says, I want to make you the UK private bank diversity champion.
03:15Oh!
03:16I'm like, yo, OK, what does this mean?
03:18He goes, you have to have a meeting with the other non-white people in the building.
03:21The only other non-white person in the building was a Mexican cleaner.
03:25By the way, do I get more money? They were like, nah.
03:29So, yeah, it was a tough time.
03:31Daniel, you've just finished touring a podcast where you're very open about your personal life.
03:36How do people react to that?
03:38Yeah, pretty well. Recently found out that my grandmother is one of the audience members.
03:42Aw!
03:43She's quite a woke grandma, so it's quite...
03:46She's like very woke about human rights, quite fascist about how to make a good Victoria sponge cake,
03:50but otherwise...
03:51But, um, she went to Pride recently, which was very cute, but she was talking us through
03:56what she thought the acronym LGBTQ meant.
03:59It's L for lesbian, and we were like, yes, it is, very good.
04:03And she was like, and then it's gay, and we were like, yes, and then she was like,
04:05and then it's black, and we were like, not black!
04:10See what you're going with, actually, like, you know,
04:12because I definitely think what she did is go, which groups need more support,
04:15and then just loved everyone else.
04:17I respect that.
04:18Kojo, you are of Ghanaian heritage.
04:21Yeah.
04:22But you did grow up in a Caribbean household.
04:24Yeah.
04:25What was that like?
04:26In an African household, like, when you got in trouble,
04:28the punishments were very physical, so you had to kind of, like, do squats and stuff like that.
04:32Oh, yeah.
04:33In a Caribbean household, they just, you know, call the police.
04:36You know what I'm saying?
04:37Yeah?
04:38In an African household, you know, you had to touch your foot,
04:40keep one leg in the air for three days.
04:42Yes, yeah.
04:43You know?
04:44Caribbean household, they just call the police.
04:46And then one time I got in trouble in the Caribbean household,
04:48they called the police, and then they gave them the same punishment as me.
04:52So it's just one of those things where I have both cultures,
04:56you know what I mean?
04:57So you love rice, rice and peas, I'll have it all.
05:00Give it up for our amazing guests, everybody.
05:02APPLAUSE
05:07Time for a round called This Was When.
05:10For this one, we've dug deep into the archives.
05:13I'll show our teams a photo from a moment in time,
05:16and they just need to tell me what's going on.
05:18OK, teams, what's the story here?
05:20It's definitely... Did I turn off the iron?
05:25LAUGHTER
05:28Eddie?
05:29This isn't a dance hall rave.
05:31You know when you try to catch that wine and then she freezes
05:33and she looks at her friends, is he nice?
05:35LAUGHTER
05:37Daniel?
05:38Beyonce realising that wasn't a fart.
05:41LAUGHTER
05:43Do you want to know the actual answer?
05:46Eddie?
05:47This is, of course, during the Grammys when Beyonce finally wins
05:50album of the year and she acts shocked.
05:53Do you know what the album was?
05:54The album was...
05:55Yes.
05:56..Cowboy Carter.
05:57Come on.
05:58You are correct.
05:59APPLAUSE
06:00This is the moment that Beyonce shot not only herself
06:02but many others by becoming the first black woman in history
06:05to win Best Country Album at the 2025 Grammy Awards.
06:09APPLAUSE
06:11Can you tell me what's going on in this image?
06:14Yeah?
06:16Daniel?
06:17This is the first four-way interracial marriage...
06:20LAUGHTER
06:22..presenting their beautiful daughter.
06:24LAUGHTER
06:25Hi, Joe.
06:26The black lady is asking, can we call him Winston?
06:29LAUGHTER
06:30Layers to that, there's layers.
06:32Ishaq?
06:33Is this the original Spice Girls with baby there?
06:35LAUGHTER
06:37APPLAUSE
06:39Thank you, thank you.
06:41Yeah, yeah, excellent.
06:42Richard.
06:43You know the baddest part, right, is that this picture
06:45was taken so far back, all those women are in their 20s.
06:48LAUGHTER
06:50You know what?
06:51Why do you always look extra old?
06:53That was the thing back then.
06:54We did it at a different time.
06:55That is...
06:56That was a young chick.
06:57LAUGHTER
06:58Ishaq?
06:59Ishaq?
07:00Is she the first ever black midwife in the NHS?
07:03That is correct.
07:04APPLAUSE
07:05This was when Nurse Daphne Steele became first black matron
07:09in the NHS.
07:10Overseeing 450 births, she didn't just deliver babies,
07:15she delivered history.
07:16CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
07:18OK, can you tell me what's happening here?
07:23Ishaq?
07:24Is this the first white man to gentrify Peckham?
07:27LAUGHTER
07:28Daniel?
07:29This is actually a really popular video online, but it's a different
07:33still.
07:34The usual thumbnail is the older white guy sat on the couch and then
07:37the other guys are all gathered around him in the line, right?
07:40LAUGHTER
07:41Very popular.
07:42So you're the black in the LGBT?
07:44LAUGHTER
07:46LAUGHTER
07:47Ishaq?
07:48Are the black guys saying, we know you're trying to sneak a bottle
07:51into this club?
07:52Why has he got such a big bulge next to him?
07:54LAUGHTER
07:55What is that?
07:56Remy?
07:57Is the white man asking them if they've heard of Stevie Wonder?
08:01LAUGHTER
08:02Eddie?
08:03See, many of us have gone through this experience in a Western club.
08:08The dress code is perfect and the guy will still come and say,
08:11sorry fellas, wrong hats.
08:13Yeah.
08:14LAUGHTER
08:15Eddie?
08:16It feels like it was before the war or something, huh?
08:19So this is literally these three guys saying,
08:21we don't want to do this, but just tell us what we need to do.
08:24LAUGHTER
08:25I'm going to give you a point.
08:26I'm going to give you a point.
08:27This was when Oliver Stanley, the Secretary of State for Colonies
08:30during the Second World War, visited the Jamaican Royal Air Force
08:34volunteers who were stationed in Yorkshire.
08:36This, guys, is not AI.
08:38They were black people who actually fought in the war.
08:43Yes!
08:44APPLAUSE
08:46And the winner of that round is...
08:49Eddie's team!
08:50Come on!
08:55Our next game is Blackity Blank.
09:01Now, that sound has been remixed just enough to avoid the lawyers
09:04knocking on my door.
09:05LAUGHTER
09:06In this round, I'm going to read our team's real-life headlines
09:09that are featured on the front pages of some of the newspapers
09:12we know, love, and in some cases, hate.
09:15The headlines are missing several words,
09:17and all our teams need to do is fill in the blanks.
09:19Richard, you're up first.
09:21Africans have become the blank to blank.
09:24So...
09:25Africans have become the most beautiful thing
09:27to have come out of the UK since the Caribbeans came.
09:31Hey!
09:32Oi!
09:33Oi!
09:34Africans have become the first human beings
09:36to be turned into a flavour of Lynx deodorant.
09:39Matt!
09:40Matt!
09:41Matt!
09:42Matt!
09:43Matt!
09:44Matt!
09:45Facts!
09:46He ate wrong!
09:47But they've got the same one!
09:48No, I don't.
09:49No, I do like that one.
09:50Thank you, actually.
09:51Africans have become the new Jamaicans to white people.
10:00Yeah.
10:01Yeah.
10:02What?
10:03Stop bringing your family members to the show.
10:06Er, no.
10:07No?
10:08No.
10:09You don't agree with that?
10:10The headline was,
10:11Africans have become the solution to the UK's elderly care crisis.
10:15Oh, we were so close.
10:16You were.
10:17In 2021, the British government changed visa rules
10:20to tackle staff shortages in the care sector,
10:23similar to the Caribbean nurses,
10:25who were crucial in saving the NHS.
10:27African care workers are now playing crucial roles
10:30in social care.
10:32So any bigots watching might want to remember
10:34where they've stuck their parents before running their mouths
10:36about immigration.
10:37Eddie, it's over to your team.
10:41Rafa gives out 4,000 blank in Lewisham ahead of blank.
10:46I like this one, I think.
10:47I like this one, I think.
10:48Lewisham, as well, is the key, key word here.
10:49But what do they give out?
10:50Because I'm from West London, so you're from South.
10:52What do they give out to Lewisham?
10:54You pass through there.
10:55You don't do too much.
10:56You know what I mean?
10:57You just...
10:58You know what I mean?
10:59You don't hang back.
11:00You know what I mean?
11:01You just go through.
11:02So Rafa gives out 4,000 nods.
11:04You know that people love hearing it.
11:07Do you know the answer to this one?
11:08I'm going to let you guys go.
11:09Yeah, right.
11:10I do, because it's my bedroom that did it.
11:11Oh.
11:12OK, hold tight, hold tight.
11:13Right, if it's his bedroom, Rafa gives out 4,000 condoms.
11:17Oh!
11:18I always have friends that are very safe.
11:23If that's the case, it is his bedroom.
11:25Rafa gives out 4,000 hair follicles in Lewisham.
11:28Very popular IT.
11:29You should have went down there.
11:31You was busy on the wrong day.
11:33I was late.
11:34I was late.
11:35Rafa gives out 4,000 chick...
11:39I think it was turkeys in Lewisham ahead of Christmas.
11:43Because I believe it was Fecky.
11:45Oh, yes!
11:46Whole point.
11:47Whole point.
11:48Yes!
11:49The full headline was Rafa gives out 4,000 turkeys in Lewisham ahead of Christmas.
11:55The headline from 2023 was about grime rapper Fecky, who felt it was important to give back to his community, having grown up poor.
12:03And the winner of that round is...
12:05Eddie's team!
12:07It's time for the adverts now.
12:12But before we leave, here's a question for you.
12:14Which famous footballer does this impressive tribute of black history belong to?
12:19See you in a few.
12:35Welcome back to You Sorry I Didn't Know.
12:37Before the break, I asked you which footballer has this incredible tribute to black history tattooed on his back.
12:42The answer is Andre Gray.
12:45After going on a journey to learn more about black history, Andre was inspired to create this masterpiece.
12:51Apparently there's some revolutionaries on there, but all I can see is muscle.
12:56And now it's time for our next round, where we jump in our metaphorical time machine and visit history that the curriculum forgot.
13:04Let's go black in time!
13:06In this round, with the help of their teammates, Eddie and Richard must pinpoint important historical dates.
13:20Points go to the teams closest to the correct date.
13:23Tonight's theme is education.
13:25First up, your question is...
13:28What year did the University of Oxford admit their first black student?
13:33Richard.
13:34Dan, I would confirm, but I don't believe you know.
13:37I think I might know.
13:38Go on, Dan, talk to me.
13:39I think it's like early...
13:40I feel like it might be like 1860, like 1850, 1860.
13:44So you reckon we literally came out of slaves straight into university?
13:49I reckon you're right.
13:5118, what did you say, Dan?
13:52I think that 1850.
13:53So around here, I'm going to say 18...
13:5655.
13:5755.
13:58Is this officially?
13:59Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:00Because you know that?
14:01Some people are going to people's uni, sitting in the lecture, but they haven't enrolled, but they're still getting the education.
14:08That's it.
14:09I think it's probably a bit later than that, because I don't know whether Oxford University, given how close slavery was then, would have been that keen for a black student.
14:19Straight away.
14:20Straight back soon.
14:21If Richard never said, what, 1855?
14:23Hmm.
14:24I reckon it's about 15, 20 years after, personally.
14:27I reckon it might have been just before that.
14:30Oh, you reckon?
14:31Yeah.
14:321820?
14:33So what...
14:341753.
14:35I reckon 1840.
14:39Let's do it.
14:40Go ahead, go ahead.
14:41You got to do what you got to do.
14:43Okay.
14:44Okay, next up.
14:45When was the first novel published by a black woman?
14:48Eddie, you're first.
14:50I'm going to go with 1830.
14:54Oh.
14:55I should have thinking before they're admitting.
14:57Yeah.
14:58Yeah, yeah.
14:59Because there would have been a wonderful history of oracy in Africa.
15:02Come on.
15:03And they would have, like, said beautiful stories, someone would have captured it.
15:06And it would have been long before they were admitted into Oxford, I reckon.
15:09So, yeah, I'm with you.
15:10So, 1830?
15:11Yeah.
15:12Go on, Eddie.
15:13Richard's team.
15:14I think the first fiction novel by any woman is, like, late 1700s.
15:25So, to then be, like, a fiction novel by a black woman, it's going to have to probably be a bit later.
15:31I think it was, like, 1780 that the first female fiction writer.
15:35Do you not hear how eloquent and articulate he is?
15:38He knows.
15:39What?
15:40Yeah, but, yeah, but don't get Jedi mind tricked by that.
15:42Yeah.
15:43That's what he...
15:44You need the right answer, brother.
15:45I don't want it to sound like the right answer.
15:47No, but you know, but you...
15:48This is how they colonised us.
15:50That's what they did.
15:52It sounded clever.
15:53And we were like, yo, on my days.
15:56And you stopped because you still sell black people's hair products back to us.
16:00LAUGHTER
16:03As the former dean of Oxford University...
16:05Yes!
16:06I don't know.
16:07Like, 1860s, maybe?
16:09I think I'm around that area.
16:11I think it's definitely later.
16:13What are you saying, Rich?
16:14I might go from 1860-plus.
16:161865.
16:17No, I'm going to go 1870.
16:191870, yeah?
16:20Yeah, I'm going to say that from there onwards.
16:23It gave them nearly 15 years to go, OK, they're intelligent.
16:27Let's read their books.
16:28LAUGHTER
16:29Next question.
16:30What year was the first university-level institution in Africa established?
16:35Richard.
16:36Rich, have you been to Africa at all?
16:38That's not important.
16:39I'm going to ask you.
16:40That was just a question, my brother.
16:42So, it's the first university-level...
16:45Yeah.
16:46OK.
16:47Yeah.
16:48So, it's round here?
16:49I think it's later, personally.
16:51And he's looking this way.
16:53He's saying...
16:54LAUGHTER
16:55I believe this is a bit of a red herring trick question.
16:58LAUGHTER
16:59Oh, my God.
17:00No, go with me here, right?
17:02I believe we would actually like to think it was closer to what we class as modern times.
17:07That's true.
17:08But if we're going from the fact that Africa is a place that we all originate from...
17:12Mmm.
17:13It's safe to say that they were ahead.
17:14Remember, they built the pyramids way back.
17:16They were advanced before we even knew anything.
17:20So, what are you saying?
17:221810?
17:23I reckon it's round here.
17:24I think 18, like 20, 1810.
17:25Yeah, I think it's round here.
17:27I think the rest of the world caught on maybe 100 years later.
17:30Yeah.
17:31I'm going to place it round about here.
17:321818.
17:33There's so much I believe in.
17:34I'm cool with that people.
17:35Eddie!
17:36It doesn't matter whether you believe in us or not.
17:39These things were happening.
17:40Number one.
17:41And by the way, whilst you guys were singing Feed the World, we were actually eating jollof fries laughing at you.
17:45Look at you.
17:46Look at you.
17:47These parties.
17:48Feed the world.
17:49Do they know it's Christmas time?
17:51I think we do.
17:52But you took the money though, didn't you?
17:55That was.
17:56We took the money and we used it to travel back to the UK.
18:03So, here's the fact.
18:05Right, first of all, I think Morocco.
18:07Morocco, yeah.
18:08Had the earliest university.
18:10Yeah.
18:11Muslim woman.
18:12Mathematics was established in Africa.
18:13Yes.
18:14My brother.
18:15Very well educated people.
18:16It was early 1800s, but it was...
18:18100%.
18:19Yeah, it was in Morocco, set by a Muslim woman.
18:21Yeah.
18:22First university ever.
18:23Yes.
18:24And I'm going to go kind of 1810s.
18:26Me too.
18:27Yeah.
18:2818...
18:29Just put it on the 1800s.
18:31Between those two.
18:32Yeah.
18:33Just before 1810.
18:34189.
18:351810.
18:361810.
18:37Right.
18:38Hey.
18:39Let's see how many you got right.
18:41First up, it was 1873 when Christian Frederick Cole from Sierra Leone was admitted to Oxford.
18:49Oh, Sierra Leone.
18:501873.
18:51How the body.
18:52Is she there?
18:54He became the first black African to receive a degree in 1877.
18:59Closest is...
19:01Richard's team.
19:02Oh.
19:03Good job then.
19:05Next.
19:06Next.
19:07The first known novel by a black American woman was between 1853 and 1861.
19:12Hmm.
19:131853...
19:141853...
19:151854.
19:16Come on.
19:17Do us nicely.
19:18Let's put it about.
19:19The novel titled The Bond Woman's Narrative was written by Hannah Crafts as believed to
19:23be one of the first novels written by a fugitive slave.
19:26We're going to give you guys both a point.
19:27Yeah.
19:28Thank you very much.
19:29On to the first university level institution in Africa.
19:34This was established in 1827.
19:36Oh.
19:37Yes.
19:38Oh.
19:39Oh.
19:40You're going to give us both a point even though I'm closer, yeah?
19:42LAUGHTER
19:43The university called Fura Bay College was based in Sierra Leone.
19:47Oh.
19:48Until the Second World War, Fura Bay was the only alternative for West Africans who wanted
19:52a university degree.
19:54After that round, the winner is...
19:57Richard C!
19:58CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
20:01We're almost out of time on tonight's show, but not before we dive into our final round,
20:10general chup-edness.
20:11In this quickfire round, I'll fling questions that our teams like hotcakes and they can only
20:17buzz in after I've finished the question.
20:20Let's begin.
20:21Who was the first and youngest African-American to be nominated for Best Director at the Oscars?
20:26Eddie.
20:27John Singleton.
20:28Correct.
20:29What is the name given to Nigeria's billion dollar film industry?
20:32Eddie.
20:33Lollywood.
20:34Correct.
20:35Which former Arsenal player is considered the greatest striker and all-time goalscorer?
20:39Remy.
20:40Thierry O'Brien.
20:41Yeah!
20:42All right.
20:43Who was the first black woman to win Book of the Year in 2020 with Queenie?
20:48Oh.
20:49Ishan.
20:50Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie?
20:51Incorrect.
20:52Remy.
20:53Candice Carty Williams.
20:55Absolutely right.
20:56True or false?
20:57Nigeria has a popular festival where people throw tomatoes at each other.
21:02Ishan.
21:03False.
21:04Correct.
21:05Which three-pointed symbol regularly featured in Jean-Michel Basquiat's art?
21:09Ishan.
21:10A crown.
21:11Correct.
21:12Which city the 1981 riots against police brutality started?
21:17Remy.
21:18Richard's hometown Brixton.
21:19Correct.
21:23And at the end of that round, the winner is Eddie's team.
21:27Which means the winner of tonight's show is Eddie's team.
21:28Which means the winner of tonight's show is Eddie's team.
21:30Thank you to tonight's guests, Kojo Annim, Daniel Fox, team leader Richard Blackwood, Remy
21:32Bergz, Eshan Akbar, and team leader Eddie Caddy.
21:33Before we go, here's a quote from activist James Baldwin.
21:47Know from whence you came.
21:48If you know whence you came, there are absolutely no limitations to where you can go.
22:06Beautiful.
22:07Goodnight.
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