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00:00Hi and welcome to Close Up with the Hollywood Reporter comedy actors. I'm Lacey Rose and I'm joined by Sean Hayes, Mark Maron, Ray Romano, Tony Shalhoub, Louie Anderson, and Tracy Morgan. Let's get right into this.
00:23So at this table we don't have any sort of fresh faces. People in me just making it. Just making it phase of their careers. How would you guys describe the phase that you each are at now?
00:36I'm at the remember this guy phase. I'm at the reboot stage. I'm at the he's still alive stage. I'm at the I can't stand that guy.
00:49Or I love that guy. I'm either one.
00:55I'm at the him again.
00:58Trace?
00:58Yeah, what stage am I in? I think I'm in a... I don't even know what stage am I in. I got hit by a truck, so I don't even fucking know where I'm at.
01:07Happy to be alive, Stan?
01:09Happy to be alive.
01:11I'm happy to be alive.
01:12Do you find the decisions you're making now different and in what ways? Are there things you sort of won't do anymore or conversely things that you're excited to do now?
01:24I love working. I love work. I'm a stand-up and I love it. If it fits, I'll do it. And even if it doesn't fit, I'll still try to put it on.
01:33I agree. I'm there. I'm just trying to stay in the business. Yeah. I'm just trying to stay in the business. That's all it is.
01:40I think everybody just loves... I think we wouldn't be here if we didn't love to work, right?
01:44So I think... I don't think any one of us... I do as well.
01:47Everybody's looking for work all the time. No.
01:48Are you making different choices about what kinds of work you want to do? I mean, certainly a lot of your choices more recently are a little more dramatic.
01:55Um, yeah. But I don't shy away from comedy. I'm not going to do a sitcom again. Definitely not a four-camera. Just... No offense, Sean.
02:04You did it. Why not? You did it.
02:06Yeah. Well, first of all, yes. That's kind of our legacy in that world and I don't want to have to follow it.
02:15Uh-huh.
02:16And I've just... It doesn't appeal to me as much now as doing the... But a single-camera comedy, I'm not against that at all.
02:22But, yeah. I like to... Now I'm enjoying kind of mixing it up a little with the drama.
02:28I think we all... I'm just going to speak for everyone.
02:32Please. Do it. Please.
02:32You can follow me home, too.
02:33Yeah. I think we all just want to do things that are, you know, just different from what we've done in the past.
02:40And that's really where...
02:43I totally agree with that, man. There's both two sides of every story and we want to show that side, too.
02:48Yeah.
02:49Because, you know, the flip side of comedy is like... Comedy is like... Drama is just comedy like a sock turned inside out.
02:56We want to show that side, too.
02:57Mm-hmm.
02:58I think that with all the platforms now, that's the greatest thing of all because all of us, you know, are going to get a chance to work because these things didn't exist.
03:07I think there were... When most of us started, there were four places we could work. And now there are, you know, 40 or 140.
03:15Yes. And there are four people that watch some of them.
03:17So, yeah, it kind of flips.
03:18You know what's so great about that? It doesn't really matter.
03:21No, I know. It's great.
03:22I mean, we may not get the ratings, but...
03:24But you get to know your audience one at a time.
03:27But, you know, whatever stage you're in, entering the business now, there are so many more opportunities to see your creative vision or idea realized because there's so many platforms.
03:39Now, is that going to make you rich and all of those other things? It's probably... No, if that's what you're after, you're probably in it for the wrong reasons to begin with.
03:45But at least you have a platform to now YouTube or whatever, anything.
03:50I don't think anybody at this table ever got in it for that. We do this because we love it.
03:55Right. You have to. If you don't love this, this will crush you.
03:58Right. It will crush you.
03:59That's true. I'm happy to be playing somebody that isn't me, specifically.
04:03Yeah, you've done that.
04:04That was a big transition.
04:05Yeah, that was nice.
04:05Yeah, I've been painfully playing me for most of my life.
04:08And the opportunity to do some guy that is actually a bigger asshole than I am, but I can understand him, I'm thinking at different points in my life,
04:17but to actually do something that wasn't specifically me was a challenge and it was exciting and I liked it.
04:24I don't think I would take a part where I had to learn Russian or gain 30 pounds, but if it's in my wheelhouse, I'm excited to be involved.
04:32Does who you do play then become you in some ways? Do you then take pieces of you?
04:39Of course. For me, I had to... whatever acting I've engaged with earlier was not huge things.
04:48And, you know, I trained when I was younger a bit, but doing my show for four years was sort of hands-on training.
04:53But doing this guy, well, the story is that the best thing that happened was, you know, this guy, Sam Silvia, is sort of a down-and-out dude a bit,
05:02and he's got a coke problem a little bit, and he doesn't really think he's down-and-out.
05:05But I remember when I talked to the showrunners, I'd made some decisions about the character.
05:10I told them, I said, this guy doesn't carry a vial, he's not flashy, he doesn't share his blow,
05:15he does it out of the corner of a magazine, folded a bindle, he'll do it with a key or a pen top.
05:21And the two showrunners are kind of nerdy women, and they both looked at me and one said, we're so glad you're here.
05:26So, like, my point being that some of that experience from when I was younger certainly filtered into this character.
05:33I'm glad it's behind me and I have a distance, but I remember how to do blow.
05:38I love you so much. I love you. I love you so much. Be for real.
05:43So many at this table have been on really iconic shows, played really iconic characters.
05:48I'm looking at several of you. What were the sort of unexpected pieces of moving on from those projects?
05:56Well, I guess for me, personally, you know, it has to do with when you're out in the world
06:01and you're recognized for that one thing.
06:06And even though you're proud of all of that work and all of that time that you put in,
06:11you really struggle to kind of unravel that image and try to construct a new one.
06:18And isn't it true, sorry to interrupt, to ride that balance of embracing the thing that made you famous for the people out in the public
06:28and also moving away from it for your own personal growth?
06:32It is. A bit of a tightrope walk there.
06:34Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny. I did a show before Monk.
06:39I was on a sitcom Wings in the 90s.
06:42Absolutely.
06:43But a weird thing happened when I, you know, in the next decade when I was doing Monk.
06:50This happened once. It happened a hundred times.
06:52People would come up to me and they would say,
06:54I remember you from Wings.
06:57Like I was, like I was hiding or like I was.
07:00You can't fool me.
07:02I had this feeling like I'm not dissembling.
07:04I'm just doing a different part.
07:06But in their mind, this, the initial thing was, that was me.
07:12And so then there was eight years of Monk.
07:15That kind of diminished the first role.
07:18And now I'm doing something else and Monk is, you know, follows me like a, you know.
07:26How do you respond to people when they're like, Monk, Monk?
07:30Yeah. You know, they say you're Monk.
07:33And I don't know. I usually just say I was Monk. I played Monk.
07:38I don't think anyone here gets to choose what they're remembered for.
07:42No.
07:42And that's the whole idea.
07:45That's the public.
07:45You just have to, you're grateful.
07:48I think everyone's grateful for the part they had.
07:50Yeah.
07:50I was in the Coming to America movie.
07:53You know, I played a cartoon character.
07:55I was a game show host.
07:57And so now I'm playing a woman.
07:59I'm just looking forward to playing a man again.
08:02Ray, you're someone I've heard you sort of talk about coming off of Everybody Loves Raymond and sort of that process.
08:08And I think you sort of described this little emotional breakdown in the conversations with a therapist of how many times a week you perhaps would need to go.
08:15So I'm hoping you can sort of speak to what that was, what you learned.
08:20Well, I came from New York.
08:22I came from New York.
08:23I was doing stand-up 11 years.
08:25And the show came along.
08:27I did Letterman and the show came.
08:28And so I moved, we all moved out.
08:32And nine years now, Everybody Loves Raymond.
08:35And I was immersed in it.
08:37I was, you know, in the writer's room and the edit room, everything.
08:40And I loved it.
08:41And then it ended.
08:43And it was like coming out of a submarine.
08:46I was serious.
08:47I was like, I live here.
08:50My kids are 15 now.
08:52This woman's still here.
08:54This woman being your wife, I assume.
08:56Yes, yes.
08:57Her too.
08:58But I had money.
08:59I had, you know, some fame.
09:02And I thought it was going to be, this is great.
09:04I can have, enjoy this.
09:06And, yeah, we were talking before.
09:08My therapist said, do you want to start coming twice a week now?
09:13And I said, you know, no.
09:15I don't have things to say to you once.
09:17You know, I have to make stuff up for 30 minutes.
09:19And four months later, I was going twice a week.
09:24Because it's like you said, we all love to work.
09:28And what you said, idol is not good.
09:31Yeah.
09:32I have, the way I describe it is, I have to keep moving or I catch up with myself.
09:38You know what I mean?
09:39Yeah.
09:40Exactly.
09:40My body in motion stays in motion.
09:43I left 30 Rock.
09:44I was like, well, what do I do now?
09:46Right.
09:46I mean, I think.
09:47When the Walmart truck came along, I was like, wow.
09:50It was decided for you.
09:52It was good stuff.
09:53Yeah.
09:53You know, that's a good point.
09:55It's decided for us a lot of times.
09:56We say we love to work.
10:00That's about 50% true.
10:02The other thing, if we're not working, all of the demons.
10:07That's right.
10:07Overtake us.
10:08You're having to keep it.
10:09Because I was always, I'm always saying to my wife.
10:12Wait, wait, wait, say that again.
10:13If we don't work.
10:14If we don't work.
10:15The demons, our own demons overtake us when we're not working.
10:18True indeed.
10:19Is that right?
10:20I was saying to my wife, if I'll, you know, like get toward the end of a long stretch of working,
10:25I'm just like, I can't wait for this to be over now.
10:27I really need a break.
10:29I'm just going to take a bunch of time.
10:30And she looks at me like, no, two weeks.
10:33Two weeks you'll be.
10:34And then she doesn't want to be around me either after two weeks.
10:37My wife is insane.
10:37I'm trying to learn something.
10:39It's like it's the worst vacation.
10:40You got a TV show to go tape somewhere?
10:42Yeah.
10:42You're in my face all day.
10:44I try to do a vacation.
10:45Like, I don't know how to take a vacation.
10:46And now, like, because I'm doing, like, the podcast, the stand-up, and then the acting gig,
10:51I don't have any boundaries.
10:54I can't deliberate when I'm working or when I'm not so much working.
10:57So then if we go on vacation, immediately, I went to Hawaii, and I figured out a way
11:02to make that terrible.
11:05For two weeks.
11:08I'm with this woman, and I'm like, this is, like, literally sort of like, I'm like,
11:12it's scary here, kind of, isn't it?
11:14We're in the middle of the ocean.
11:16I'm starting to think not, Tracy.
11:18I'm 54, and I don't know if I can unfuck myself.
11:20I think that it might be permanent.
11:22But do you guys find yourself, like, because I think we can all relate to,
11:26wanting to work more than not wanting to work.
11:29And I find myself creating things for myself rather than waiting for a call.
11:35And I don't know if you reached that point in your life where you're like,
11:37I can't sit around anymore.
11:38Well, that's what I did after four months of Raymond.
11:41My buddy was going through the same thing, one of the writers on Raymond.
11:44And we said, let's write about this.
11:45And we came up with Men of a Certain Age.
11:46Such a good show.
11:47Yeah, that was a great show.
11:49So, you're talking about sort of finding what's next and how do you move on and all of that.
11:55And yet, here we are.
11:56You started this off by saying we're at the reboot phase of your career.
11:59And, in fact, you did ultimately choose to go back to sort of the thing that made you famous.
12:03Yeah.
12:04What was that sort of process, that emotional sort of deliberation about doing that?
12:09It was quite easy.
12:10I mean, we did this election video to get the message out.
12:13And the only way we knew how for people to get out and vote.
12:15And we did it for free.
12:17The crew did it for free.
12:17We all just got together to, you know, send this message.
12:21How did that go?
12:24It didn't work.
12:26But the show did.
12:28But we didn't do it for any other reason.
12:30We all got together.
12:31It was great to see everybody.
12:32And then we said goodbye, you know.
12:34And then here we are because of the response.
12:37So, it was a nice organic process to the coming back.
12:42And we all kind of talked about it and said, yeah, there's more to say here.
12:45We're in this way.
12:45And it's kind of missing from television right now and blah, blah, blah.
12:48And for you, I mean, you came initially when you did that show.
12:51You were the baby.
12:52You were the one that hadn't done this, hadn't yet.
12:54I still am, but yeah.
12:57But I am curious.
12:58You also, you weren't out yet.
13:00You weren't in it.
13:01And the world has changed pretty drastically since then.
13:03How has your sort of perspective coming back to this and your own sort of who you are on that set changed?
13:09Oh, gosh.
13:10That's like a 15-hour therapy conversation.
13:14Let's drill it down to like 30 seconds.
13:16No, I mean, you know, I was in a different place when I was a young kid.
13:20Being gay, I was out but not out to the press.
13:23But I was out on the set.
13:24I was out to my friends.
13:25I was out to the world.
13:26But I didn't have the DNA or the ability to be one spokesperson for an entire group of people.
13:35Nor did I, I wasn't trained to be that person.
13:36I didn't know how to do it.
13:37I couldn't find the words and thoughts to connect to give a positive message.
13:42And now I'm in a different place.
13:43And you realize, you know, silence equals death, which is true.
13:47And so here I am out and proud and glad to be on the show.
13:51And I do anything and everything I can for the LGBTQ community.
13:55Jack, you got an acting job.
13:57Oh, honey, I'm so proud of you.
14:01I have a featured co-starring role on Shades of Blue acting with my BFFF best famous friend forever, Jennifer Lopez.
14:08Your best famous friend forever who hasn't spoken to you in 10 years, changed her email, phone number, and address, and returned the creepy fan art you, penis?
14:15Yes, that's the one.
14:18Jenny from the black me on all social media.
14:20When you look at the success he's had, is there any piece of you that thinks, ooh, we should, we should reboot 30 Rock, we should reboot Monk, we should reboot Everybody Loves Very Mint?
14:31That would be a question for Tina.
14:32I think she became a mom and a wife.
14:34Would you do it?
14:35With 30 Rock?
14:36Yeah.
14:36Would I do it now?
14:40Tracy Jordan?
14:42It was, I don't know.
14:44Tina Fey and Alec Bowen and all of them agree to it.
14:46It was such a family atmosphere.
14:48I think I would.
14:49I think I would do it.
14:51Yeah, that's the same with us, too.
14:51If it was the right situation.
14:53It was the family.
14:54It was family on the set, so.
14:56Would you?
14:56Yeah, I think I would be a part of it.
14:57It was blessed.
14:58I don't know.
14:59I go back and forth on that.
15:01I mean, the better hurry up or I'll have to play Monk's Pop.
15:03But don't you think that there's some comfort in going back?
15:08You know, like I've been talking, people have been asking me about coming to America,
15:12and Eddie has said there might be another coming to America, and there was something
15:17really great about that in that time in my career, and I just wonder, I think it could
15:22work.
15:22I think all things could work if you're in the spirit of it.
15:25I think coming to America, too, would work.
15:25Yeah.
15:26I think coming to America, too, would work.
15:28I think also, in the craziest way, it's a way to relive your childhood.
15:34For me, anyway.
15:36It's a comfort zone, though.
15:37Yeah, it's like, it's always been a fantasy for everybody to go back in time and live your
15:4020s over again, and this is, I guess, the closest way to do that.
15:43You also have something to say with this show, which I think is a piece of why this show is
15:47working.
15:48There's a sort of a cultural moment and a political moment that you were providing commentary
15:52on, so to do these shows again, there would have to be something, presumably, to say.
15:58But I think each one of those shows, believe it or not, had something to say.
16:03Family, or, you know, with a person who is a disorder of some sort.
16:08Archie Bonko, that's what I love about it.
16:10I think that was the great thing about those shows, and when they come back, I think the
16:14reason people like to do it is to see if they still have it.
16:18Yeah.
16:18I believe.
16:19Yeah.
16:19And the money.
16:20It's a wonderful price.
16:21I mean, the money.
16:23That's a different thing than 30 Rock, because 30 Rock was in the office.
16:26Yeah.
16:26Our business.
16:27Yeah.
16:27This was family.
16:28You were in these people's homes.
16:29Right.
16:30Look at Archie Bonko.
16:31You were in their home.
16:31Look at Good Times.
16:32You were in their home, as opposed to being in the office.
16:35Right.
16:35All right.
16:50I want to touch on the sort of cultural moment that we're in, whether you label that the
16:54Me Too moment, the Time's Up moment.
16:57I am particularly in the sort of comedy space.
16:59I'm curious how it has changed your perspective and the conversations that you are having now.
17:05You're saying comedy?
17:08You saw a PC in comedy?
17:10Yeah.
17:10Sure.
17:11Yeah.
17:11That's what the question's about, PC?
17:13There's no room for it in comedy.
17:15I ask people all the time, do you think Richard Pryor and George Garland would have survived it?
17:21Do you?
17:22Yeah.
17:22Right now, you mean?
17:23I think they would figure out a way to survive it.
17:26Why do you feel that way?
17:28It is a different time, but I do think there has to be people being willing to do it.
17:33I think we have, like, Roseanne got all this flack about people who knew her saying that, hey, good, congratulations.
17:41But, you know, we're friends, people, and you got flack for doing it.
17:44And I just think that, you know, right now it's possible that the liberalism and freedom of speech and all those things are at stake.
17:55This is how things like this get lost is nobody goes, I'm going to say it.
17:59I'm going to say it even if this costs me my, you know, sponsorship.
18:04Because I think you say it.
18:05We talked about it.
18:06You know, you have a great podcast.
18:07Yeah.
18:08Nothing.
18:08You guys talk about everything.
18:10Sure.
18:11And I think that, like, in terms of, like, because you had to go through it with stuff you said.
18:16I was doing what I talked about.
18:17Yeah.
18:17But if you're willing to shoulder the burden of what's coming at you and you know what's coming at you and you've got to say the truth, then you've got to say the truth.
18:25You know, the scary thing is that he's, you know, if there's going to be a pile on, you know, how far away does that get from what actually happened?
18:32You know, when is it just people who don't even know what's being talked about just start to annihilate somebody?
18:37I think the big fear is that, you know, overnight your reputation can be completely dismantled and you can be shredded and wake up to, like, this tweet shitstorm and some sort of tabloid shitstorm.
18:52I went through it.
18:52Yeah, I know.
18:53And, you know, it's a lot to go through.
18:54And I think it's scary when you are somebody who has to get out there and tell your truth or you want to comment on the world as a stand-up that that's in the back of your brain because it's going to compromise you.
19:04So it's not really that there's censorship in the country because you can say whatever you want.
19:09You've just got to take what's coming at you.
19:11But self-censorship is the bigger cancer.
19:14So are there things you won't say now and things you won't do on stage?
19:17Well, you better know where you're going with it.
19:20You know, it's like, you know, it used to be like I'm just going to shoot from the hip.
19:23Like, Tracy does that a lot.
19:24And, you know, I'll do it about certain things.
19:26But there are certain areas where it's sort of like I better know where this ends.
19:29Mark, you've used your podcast to sort of talk about what's going on in the culture.
19:34I think particularly, you know, after Louis C.K., you came on.
19:37You talked about empathy and sort of really understanding power dynamics.
19:42Yeah.
19:42Curious what that process has been for you and what the sort of larger takeaway has been.
19:49For me in response to my friend going through that or the situation.
19:54Yeah, and learning about yourself in that.
19:56Well, I mean, at some point, you know, there has to be a conversation.
19:59There has to be some sort of leveling off so we can communicate.
20:04So not everybody, men in particular, are running around terrified of their past or of how to behave.
20:11Because I don't think that's going to be helpful for anyone.
20:14It's heavy, man.
20:15I mean, you know, because there was no, it was just decided.
20:20And it came down hard and it came down fast and it was terrifying.
20:24It was in the middle of mob mentality, too, I think.
20:26Yeah.
20:26So, you look at, what's the guy's name?
20:30Aziz?
20:31Aziz, sorry.
20:32What happened with him?
20:32That was a little nuts, that article.
20:34But men are disappearing.
20:36I mean, Jeffrey Tambor was sitting at this table two years ago and they're disappearing.
20:40Yeah, eventually there has to be some conversation.
20:43I mean, obviously, we're all going to behave a little better.
20:46You know, we're not fucking stupid.
20:49You know what I mean?
20:50Well, speak for yourself.
20:51Oh, yeah?
20:52You're going to keep going at it?
20:53I think I'll keep coming at it.
20:55But I think, I don't know how to speak to any of this, but I can only speak to what I'm more aware of.
21:01I think there's an awareness of how hard it is for women.
21:04Yes.
21:05That we weren't aware of as much.
21:08Well, I think that's right.
21:09You just said it one time and it wasn't funny.
21:10Sometimes you've got to push the envelope, right?
21:12So, because there is, the problem is, is that there are people afraid to laugh because they don't want to be judged.
21:19But they come to the show that way.
21:20That's right.
21:21That's what I mean.
21:22Make me laugh.
21:22Wait a minute.
21:23That's like a woman, you're getting in the bed with a woman and she said, make me come.
21:26Wait a minute.
21:27I'm trying to make myself come.
21:30If I had a knowledge.
21:30Make me come.
21:31What do you mean make you laugh?
21:32Great analogy.
21:32You've got to come to the show willing to laugh.
21:35I know what to say that's going to make you laugh.
21:37I already know what to say that's going to make you laugh.
21:39Yeah, but I think people are confused if they don't.
21:41But if you're coming on a witch hunt?
21:42Right.
21:43There's something different.
21:44Right.
21:44You're an angry villager with the fire.
21:46Burn the monster, you know what I mean?
21:48But I think that happens in some people's minds is that they want to laugh and sometimes they're like, oh, I don't know if I can.
21:54Oh, yeah.
21:55Everybody that comes to a club, everybody that comes to a show don't know what to do.
21:58Yeah.
21:58But in this sort of this time.
22:00Should I laugh?
22:01And then they see everybody else laughing and then they laugh.
22:04Yeah, except for the one person who hates you and they're the ones who are like, I went to see a tracy.
22:08What are you doing here?
22:10Right, right, right.
22:11I've done nothing to you.
22:12We're just trying to make Pete the world laugh.
22:14At the end of the day, all of us in here are just trying to make the world a better place than it was before we got here.
22:23What's up, Louie?
22:24Seriously.
22:24So, Mark, you're on a show about women, starring women, run by women, staffed largely by women.
22:29You're very much the sort of minority.
22:31Curious how that has changed your perspective and your own sort of takeaway from that experience.
22:37Well, I don't think I've ever, and I would think most men, I've never been around that many women in my life, especially every day.
22:45And I'm not just the only man.
22:49I'm a sexist dick with a relatively heart of gold.
22:56Not quite a heart of gold, but he's got his vulnerabilities.
22:59But working with so many women, I found it, and the fact that they're learning how to wrestle, and they're doing this thing that's very theatrical, and just the amount of, like, hair and makeup because it's the 80s that they have to go through.
23:11There was definitely a lot of empathy and a lot of pride that I felt, and I was very moved by the camaraderie and how, like, they all came together.
23:20And when they'd succeed in doing things, I'd get choked up.
23:23So I don't know what it's done for, you know, in a general sense, my perception.
23:28You know, I can't speak to it.
23:29I wasn't, you know, I was not anti-women before I went in.
23:32I'm not going to tell you, like, who knew they were humans?
23:35So, but they, but the thing was is that it did increase my respect.
23:43Oh, my God.
23:44Not this again.
23:46Please.
23:47Babies are boring.
23:48I mean, they don't party.
23:49They haven't traveled.
23:50They have no sense of irony.
23:52And you love this shit.
23:54You love being a temperamental star.
23:56I know you do.
23:57If you were sitting at home with that kid, your life would become just anger and resentment.
24:01No work.
24:02No husband.
24:03You would burn up in a smoldering ash heap of rage and disappointment.
24:08You think that's good for you or your boring baby?
24:11Oddly, even though they're all dressed in leotards and they're wearing these outfits and this hair,
24:16it's not a sexualized set, you know, because of the nature of how, you know, it's run and what the script is and what we're all working towards.
24:24And I just think that is sort of magical, that you have this situation where, you know, you have these women who feel safe enough and supported enough.
24:33A lot of them can beat the shit out of you, too, right?
24:37Of course, they're wrestlers.
24:38I think Allison probably could at this point.
24:41Betty could certainly take me down.
24:42But it has, you know, not just, just working with an ensemble that large and having it mostly with women has been, it's been great for me because I'm sort of a self-involved, you know, self-centered person.
24:58And it's nice to be part of an ensemble.
25:00And it's nice to be the only guy acting like an asshole who's not really an asshole because then right when I come out of the asshole, I'm surrounded by women going, oh, that was good.
25:08Yeah, yeah, so that's fun.
25:09Curious for the rest of you, the preparation process.
25:11I think you, Louis, have talked about you become Christine.
25:15I mean, that name is on scripts.
25:17What was that decision?
25:18What does that actually look like for you?
25:22Well, when I didn't realize that it would make a difference, I thought I would be able to just put that on and I could still be who I am.
25:31But there was a definite change.
25:32I don't know how it happens, but I think it's when, when you, when they put the lipstick on, something happens.
25:42Because I just would look in the thing and go, I look good.
25:47I, you know, and then I think what really happened was that I had an idea, because people treat you different.
25:54They treated me different than as Louis.
25:56They treated me different as Christine.
25:59So there was, there was a lot more door opening, which was really interesting.
26:04And then maybe it's just, I don't know, it was just different.
26:08And I asked people not to call me Louis on the set, because I was, I really wanted the character to, to be Christine.
26:14But I, I sometimes during this thing, we'd have a two hour break and I would go out in the public as Christine and go to the store and stuff.
26:24And I would get weird looks, like some people went, is that a guy, is that a, but a lot of people would treat, I felt the actual difference.
26:34But mostly what I felt was, the big thing I felt was the preparation to get ready to be a woman.
26:41And I don't mean because I'm a man, but what women often go through every day to present themselves to the world.
26:48Where men go, is this clean?
26:51Do you know what I mean?
26:53And so it seemed like a lot of work to go out to be ready to be seen, where we don't have that thing.
26:59So I think, I do think everything kind of got in this, in these times, turned upside down on the head.
27:07And I think that we're looking at everything like that differently.
27:10Anyway, you know what I like?
27:12I love a jingle, like at the end of the spot, like row, row, rodeo.
27:19Maybe I'll do whatever you want.
27:21See, but he has a sexual advantage on you that I don't have.
27:26I can be objective.
27:27Okay.
27:29Oh, the pie!
27:31Chip, will you get the pie for me?
27:35No pie for me.
27:36Thank you very much for the tacos, mother.
27:37Hmm?
27:38Kenneth?
27:40Ray, what's that process for you to get into the character?
27:43For me, it's the hair.
27:45My character's a washed-up producer, and I base the hair on Brian Grazer.
27:51And I say this all the time.
27:53He's not a washed-up.
27:54He's an A-list producer.
27:56But I thought on this would be good.
27:57It's not quite a spiky, but yes.
27:58Yeah, I mean, this would be to use his hair.
28:01So once I'm in that hair, you can't not be a...
28:03You're it.
28:03Yeah.
28:04That's it.
28:04You're it.
28:05I usually use a line, too.
28:06I usually, for each character I've done over the past, there's usually a line, because
28:12I do a little bit of voice.
28:13I don't know if any of you guys...
28:15It's not even perceptible to people listening to it, but in your own head, you'll hear a
28:19different voice.
28:21And I have one line from dialogue that kind of gets me into that.
28:26I want to come to you.
28:27So before each scene, I say that out loud, you know, and people are looking at me like,
28:31why are you saying that?
28:31It's just...
28:32It's the way I get it.
28:33Get me there.
28:33Just to get me there.
28:34Yeah, yeah.
28:35Okay, well, you got the studio.
28:38What are you coming to me for?
28:39Wouldn't be the same without you.
28:42Yeah.
28:43Yeah.
28:43You want me to...
28:45You want me to hide the cash, okay?
28:49Forget about it.
28:50No way.
28:52Suit yourself.
28:54Yeah.
28:55Okay, I already told you.
28:56I know what you people do, so you think I would work with you people?
29:02I'm a professional.
29:03I'm a professional.
29:05I heard Denzel Washington say it once in an interview, tell the young actors, write your
29:10backstory.
29:10So I do a, for each character, I get cast and now I try to write a little backstory.
29:15And I always put my father in there, you know?
29:17I got to find something new.
29:19But I always put, I'm always trying to prove, you know, please my father.
29:23Yeah.
29:23This thing I wanted to bring up, because Tony is playing a character from another time
29:28right now.
29:28Yeah.
29:29Am I right?
29:29In Mrs. Maisel.
29:30And this, Mrs. Maisel, which is fantastic.
29:34Right.
29:34And, but this is also the prime time when women were treated like that.
29:40And many of those issues are on the show.
29:42And then how does that translate to the set?
29:45Well, it's really interesting because I think this show, I don't know how long they've been
29:50working on it, when it was, you know, first conceived.
29:52But I think it's just kind of a collision of the time we're in.
29:56And Amy Sherman-Palladino, the creator and main writer, I think she's just writing about
30:04something, a family experience, because her father was a stand-up and her mother, still
30:09alive, is an entertainer, singer-dancer.
30:12So she was writing about her world.
30:14And all of these issues of this young woman, you know, kind of moving from a domestic setting
30:18out into the world, professional world, breaking into comedy.
30:23But it was, it just so happens that once we were doing the pilot, then all of these news
30:30stories started to come out.
30:31So it wasn't, it wasn't as a result, but it was coincidence.
30:34It is kind of coincidental, I believe.
30:36Yeah.
30:37Um, I'm not in the writer's room, of course, but, but I think it's just kind of a happy accident.
30:42Easter Island face, I know that face.
30:44I was wondering, is there any way I can get you to change your mind about taking back the
30:48apartment?
30:49No, no way.
30:50I paid for it.
30:50I overpaid for it.
30:51I know.
30:51It was mine to take back.
30:53My son knew this.
30:53I'm sure he did.
30:54So what's the point, Harae?
30:55Why are you even bringing this up?
30:56I want to get the kids back together.
30:58Join the club.
30:59And the apartment is a big piece of that puzzle.
31:01I've already put it on the market.
31:02You can take it off the market.
31:04People are going to love the layout and it's so close to the park.
31:07I'll pay for half the apartment.
31:09What's your preparation?
31:10Uh, you know, for this character, you know, it's a close for me, you know, because we're
31:15working and it's 1958 and I play this, he's actually a math professor at Columbia.
31:21It's got to be fun.
31:22And it's great.
31:23And I, I grew up, not to age myself here, but you know, I was a kid in, in this time period.
31:31And so I have these images of my dad and my uncles and my parents' friends and, and the
31:38way that they, it's a totally different thing.
31:41The way they, the way they dealt with their wives, the way they dealt with their children
31:46or didn't deal with it or didn't.
31:47And, um, you know, I'm blessed that I have, you know, I can carry that into the work,
31:52but, but man, the clothes and the shoe, the wingtips and the, and the, like the layers.
31:56I have a, you know, it's kind of a shirt to tie, the sweater vest, the jacket to go, you know,
32:01and just for dinner.
32:02Yeah.
32:03We, we are in a tie and we're having supper.
32:06And so it's, it's, uh, it's part, part memory and part, you know, this brilliant, uh, wardrobe
32:14designer that we have, costume designer.
32:15I always say, if my father hugged me once, I would be an accountant right now.
32:20I wouldn't have to do anything.
32:21I wouldn't have to do this.
32:23One hug, one hug is all the way.
32:25That would have to do it.
32:40What are the parts you won't take, the lines you won't cross, perhaps things?
32:44I had to do nudity.
32:47Wait a minute, turn around.
32:48Yeah.
32:49Well, the thing was, is that that was the other thing about all of these women, you know,
32:53all 14 of them, you know, signed this on their contract.
32:56You were nudist for the 14 women?
32:58They said, they all agreed that they would, you have to sign the, whatever it is, a waiver
33:02to do it.
33:03And what was I going to be the guy?
33:0514 women all signed it and I was going to be the guy.
33:08I'm not, I'm not going to do it.
33:09So I had to sign it.
33:10So I knew that my time was going to come.
33:12Like I knew what was going to happen.
33:14And I didn't know what it was going to be, but I knew it was going to be.
33:17But you couldn't care.
33:18Well, that's the thing.
33:19At that point, you got to the point where, can I say at that point, when your time came,
33:23did you just say, fuck it?
33:25Of course.
33:26What else am I going to do?
33:27But like, I did talk him out of the, I talked him out of the frontal.
33:31I didn't need that pressure.
33:33So I said, you can do, you know, you can get, I'll do full ass shot, but if we can leave
33:39my dick out of it, I'd be, I'd be happy because I just don't need that on the internet.
33:43I can handle my ass on the internet, you know?
33:47So, so like, they negotiated with me.
33:52We got the, yeah, we got out of it.
33:53We got the ass.
33:54No, we got the ass, full ass.
33:55Full ass.
33:56And yeah, but I wore the, I wore the little sock.
34:00Oh, Mark, come on, man.
34:02I did, I did.
34:03You're my arrow.
34:04Yes.
34:04You were supposed to say, fuck it.
34:06I did it.
34:07I did it with my ass.
34:08Nah.
34:09I'm talking about the front.
34:10I didn't do it.
34:10I had the same, I had a nude scene in vinyl.
34:14Yeah.
34:14I did a threesome in vinyl.
34:16I'm still sad that that show got canceled.
34:18I love that show.
34:19Yeah, you were saying that.
34:20Well, thank you.
34:21But I had to do a nude scene and I, and it was me on a bed waking up after, in Vegas after
34:27a night of craziness and Bobby Cannavale comes and push me.
34:31You know, Bobby Cannavale does full frontal nudity and Boardwalk Empire and everything.
34:35And I've seen that.
34:36And on the streets.
34:37Yeah.
34:37Yeah, yeah.
34:39But so he wakes me up and I stand up and I have the sock.
34:42Yeah.
34:43And after the take, he goes, he goes, he goes, bro, you don't got to wear a sock for me.
34:47I don't care.
34:48I'm not wearing it for you, man.
34:50He goes, I don't wear it.
34:52I go, I've seen you in Boardwalk.
34:54I know why you don't wear it.
34:55Okay.
34:56I'm keeping the sock on.
34:58Wrong business is my business.
35:00I mean, were you nervous about it?
35:02Oh, it's nervous.
35:03Did you think maybe not do it?
35:04Well, I had to do a sex scene.
35:05Oh, man.
35:05In that episode, I had to have nudity and be drunk in the same episode.
35:11And sometimes that's even scarier to play drunk.
35:13Yeah.
35:14Why?
35:15Here, put it this way.
35:16The director is not going to yell too big during the nude scene.
35:21Yeah, drunk is so many, who knows, levels and whatever.
35:32But yeah, I had to do the, I had to have the three, it's crazy that I went from never having
35:37a sex scene to having a threesome.
35:39And you're simulating sex.
35:40It's not, it's nerve wracking because it's not real and it's not real, but sex is nerve wracking.
35:45But he don't know that.
35:46Yeah, right, right.
35:48Yeah, right.
35:49But they make exception for that.
35:51They understand.
35:52Yes.
35:53And on some level, if you do get turned on, it's like, you're in it.
35:56You know, what are you going to do?
35:57That happened to me.
35:58That's it.
35:58I'm sure it did.
35:59My first movie, 30 years to life, it happened to me.
36:03I had to do a sex scene.
36:04Yeah.
36:04I had an accident.
36:07So what are you saying?
36:08I just said, pardon me, I'm sorry.
36:11And she was, she said, it's okay.
36:13Well, there was some actor, there was one actor who, I forget who it was.
36:17I think it's Denzel.
36:19No, who said, no.
36:20Who said to the woman before the sex scene.
36:23That was Denzel.
36:24The one, you know the line I'm going to say?
36:25He said, I apologize if I do and I apologize if I don't.
36:29Oh, that's the greatest.
36:30You know, my wife, when I did the, my wife is from Queens, New York, and we're married a long time.
36:35And so I did the scene and she goes, tell me what happened.
36:37And I'm like, no, it's, no, it's really nothing.
36:40The woman is sitting and there's another one.
36:43Anyway, and then she, she flies home.
36:46She was in New York.
36:46She flies home.
36:47And then she, I say, how was the flight?
36:50I call her.
36:50And she goes, yeah, there was an actor sitting next to me.
36:52He gave me his card.
36:53And now I started getting jealous, you know, I'm like, what do you mean he gave you his card?
36:57And he goes, he knew of you.
36:59So he gave me, I go, what do you look like?
37:01What was his name?
37:03And she starts with me.
37:03She goes, what was the name of the girl that sat on your card?
37:06Oh, come on.
37:07Come on.
37:09Yes, yes, yes.
37:11Oh, come on.
37:13I'm working over here.
37:14Yeah.
37:15Anything for you?
37:15I mean, are there lines you won't?
37:16Oh, I'm just going to jump in with my sex scene story.
37:18Oh, please, please, please.
37:19No, I've never done it.
37:20You've never done it.
37:21Oh, maybe I did.
37:22Are there things that, are there lines you won't cross?
37:25Things that you won't do?
37:26No, I'm open to anything if it makes sense.
37:29I mean, I'm like Tracy that way.
37:30I'm just like, if it's, I'm all in at any cost.
37:33Has that always been the case for you?
37:35Yeah, yeah.
37:36I'm always, my dumb motto is we're here for five minutes.
37:39Well, like, so nothing.
37:42Five minutes?
37:43Yeah, five minutes.
37:43No nudity on Will and Grace?
37:45Nothing blurred out or anything?
37:48No, not on NBC.
37:49No, but they blurred, nothing like that.
37:50Oh, yeah, actually, we just did an episode this season
37:53where Nick Offerman was on a show, an episode,
37:56and he was sleeping with Will and Grace
37:59at the different times,
38:01and he just, full nudity, just went for it.
38:03He seems like that kind of guy.
38:05Yeah, he's great.
38:06When I had to do a scene with my boyfriend as Christine,
38:10that was really interesting
38:11because, you know, I don't wear anything
38:14to make myself more of a woman
38:17because I have nice breasts to begin with.
38:21I mean, you know, it just happened.
38:22I just happened to get nice breasts.
38:24Bless that way.
38:25And they work in the scene.
38:26And so I wore a slip for the next morning
38:31when we woke up, and I just said,
38:33oh, my God, when I saw the scene,
38:35I said, oh, my God, I am my mother.
38:38I have.
38:40And it was, but it was a little uncomfortable.
38:42It was a little uncomfortable
38:43because I didn't really know how to play it that way
38:46as a woman.
38:47Yeah.
38:47As a man, I could have,
38:48but as a woman, I didn't know how to play that.
38:52And it was really, it was interesting.
38:54But other people got a little nervous when I was...
38:57I got nervous when I did that movie with Adam Sandler,
39:00Longest Yard.
39:01Remember the remake of Longest Yard?
39:03Now to play a transgen...
39:04Oh, right, right.
39:05But it wasn't a transvestite in a normal set.
39:07It was a transvestite in a jail.
39:10So I remember feeling funny about it.
39:12You know, they literally gave me a camel toe.
39:16They put a divorce for me and gave me a camel toe.
39:18What aspect of it made you nervous?
39:20I was in...
39:21The aspect that I was in a prison.
39:23Got it.
39:24It wasn't in the streets.
39:26I have aunts, I have a sister.
39:27I know how to do that.
39:28That's cool.
39:29But this is in a different setting.
39:31This is in a prison.
39:32So I remember Chris Rock...
39:33You were very pretty in that.
39:35I felt pretty.
39:37You were.
39:37You were really pretty.
39:38All them boys wanted me.
39:40They did.
39:41All them boys wanted me.
39:42I might be pregnant now.
39:44What did Chris say?
39:45I know this baby's kicking.
39:46Chris said, never be ashamed of what you're doing.
39:48Because if you're ashamed, then the people in the audience are going to be ashamed.
39:51So you embrace it.
39:53So then I went back to my aunt and my mom's and them, and I said, this is how they do it.
39:56And it came off.
39:57It came off like a fat rat in a cheese factory.
40:00You started off in jail in this show that you're doing now.
40:03Curious, you're drawing a lot from your own experiences and your own past.
40:06I've never been to prison for a few years.
40:07No, you have not.
40:08I know people have.
40:10Correct.
40:10But I am curious, on this show, you are drawing from your own past.
40:13Are there points where you say, too dark?
40:16I don't want to...
40:17Not at all.
40:18No, I did 15 years for selling crack.
40:20It's not like that on TV now.
40:22It's for my life.
40:23So Tracy Morgan got a second chance when I came out of the accident, but I can't trade Barker.
40:30So if you look at the show, dark premise.
40:33But it's kind.
40:34It's a kind show.
40:36Tiffany Haddish is the mother of my children.
40:38She's allowing me to be back in my kid's life.
40:41I know people like that that went to prison for a long time, got their life and came out.
40:45You weren't there for violent.
40:47You know, we all deserve a second chance.
40:49What do you want?
40:50Just saying hello.
40:52Tracy, stop calling me.
40:53When can I meet the kids, Shay?
40:54You want to see the kids?
40:56My kids?
40:57Our kids?
40:58Oh, I don't know.
40:59How about when you get a job or volunteer at a community center?
41:03Something.
41:03In other words, make something of yourself.
41:06All the adults in my kids' lives are positive role models, and I very much want to keep it that way.
41:11So it'll probably be a waste of time to actually show your booty on camera, huh?
41:14Boy.
41:15Shay, wait a minute.
41:16Get off my phone!
41:17It's just kind.
41:18We need that more in the world.
41:20Kindness.
41:21Yeah.
41:21And that's what I want to promote.
41:23Kindness, I've survived that accident for a reason.
41:26Mm-hmm.
41:26To bring love.
41:27So at least 150 times a day I tell straightens, I love you.
41:31Some people get offended because I get into it in my space.
41:34I get into it in my space.
41:35Exactly, exactly.
41:37But that's how it is.
41:38So Tiffany is somebody who is in this moment in her career where she's completely breaking out.
41:44Curious what advice you have given her on how to sort of navigate fame.
41:47And then I'm going to open up that question.
41:48Stay grounded.
41:49Stay humble and stay grounded.
41:51This is the time you got some heat on you.
41:52This is where you stay humble.
41:54Mm-hmm.
41:54Stay grounded because what goes up comes down.
41:56Even ice turns to water when it's hot.
42:00So relax and embrace it.
42:02Have a good time.
42:03Stay humble.
42:04Stay consistently working.
42:06I say that to everybody on my set.
42:07Just relax and stay humble.
42:10We got a nice show.
42:11It's just a premiere.
42:13But we're not going to celebrate until we get to the sixth and seventh season.
42:15Like everybody loves rain.
42:17We not.
42:18What's the best and worst advice you guys have gotten in the past about navigating fame and success?
42:25Be patient.
42:26That was the good advice, I assume.
42:27No, that was the worst advice.
42:28That was the worst advice.
42:29Happy advice.
42:30That was the worst advice.
42:32It really was the worst advice.
42:34Why?
42:35Be patient for what?
42:36You got to make shit happen.
42:38Got to go get it.
42:39You know?
42:39It's just so much better.
42:41Well, in stand-up, it was weird because I started in stand-up and to address that, it's kind of the opposite in stand-up because I remember, I think it was Seinfeld who said the way to make money in comedy is to not worry about the money in comedy.
42:59Just worry about the comedy.
43:01And there was another comic, Max Alexander.
43:03You remember that?
43:04Yeah.
43:04And I remember I had a bar with him and I was just young and saying, how do I do it?
43:08How do I get this gig?
43:09And how do I work there?
43:10And he said, it's going to come.
43:12If you're good and you work on your stuff, if you work on your craft, it will get there.
43:19Now, look, there are cases where, yes, you still have to hustle and get out there and do it.
43:23But worry about yourself, you know?
43:26Yeah.
43:27Yeah, I think the best advice is that it speaks to what both Tracy and Ray said, too.
43:33It has to do with humility.
43:34And there's a quote from Stanislavski, I think.
43:38I think it's Stanislavski.
43:39It is love the art in yourself, not yourself in the art.
43:45That's right.
43:46I love that.
43:46So that, you know, we don't take, we take our work seriously but not ourselves.
43:51Because one of the things that this business perpetuates, it almost becomes inevitable in a way, is that it becomes, you know, becomes about me and how do I elevate this?
44:05And that can really mess with your ego.
44:08And if your ego gets too much in the way, well, many things will happen.
44:12But I think your work can suffer and your life can suffer.
44:21You know, your relationships, your family, your friends, your whatever it is.
44:25It's good to have a wife who couldn't give a damn if you were a plumber or as long as the money was the same.
44:31As long as the money was the same.
44:33And she's proud of you.
44:35That's important to the people, especially the young people.
44:38Because to me, I see, like, show business is like space.
44:42And if my woman is lost in space and I'm lost in space, then we both lost in space.
44:47So I got to be grounded.
44:49My lady is the type, if I can come from the Oscars and I get home, she's like, your dog shitted on the door.
44:53So that keeps me grounded.
44:56And it keeps me not getting lost out there.
44:58I don't care about that.
45:00And Lost in Space is on Netflix right now.
45:02Yeah.
45:03I can't.
45:04Reboot.
45:04Yeah.
45:05I can't wait.
45:06I just, me personally, when it's all said and done and there ain't no more else to say it, dude, I want to know who I am.
45:14So it's a journey for me.
45:15Right.
45:16I want to know who I am.
45:16And it's like you said, it's about the artist in me and not about me being in the art.
45:21I just can't stand people that make it all about them.
45:25Well, I think comedians are a little bit too insecure to get like that anyway.
45:31No matter what, they never, it's a dichotomy.
45:33You think you're great, but you also think you're horrible at the same time.
45:36Yeah, I think that's okay.
45:37Comics who actually think they're great, they're very frightening people.
45:41Well, they're afraid.
45:43Is that because they see the ceiling there?
45:45No, because like, you know, if guys who, like I've known in comedy or anybody who really has a,
45:50sort of this weird, confident belief that they are truly great and I can't see through it,
45:57they make me nervous.
45:58That's not me, right?
45:59No.
46:02But the thing with me, like I, I, why does he look at you when he's talking about it?
46:06No, no, no.
46:07I was fortunate in that I actually had no major success for, for most of my career.
46:12Like there was never a point where it was sort of like, shit is getting out of control.
46:16You know, like, when I was like, there's, there's, there's yet to be a point.
46:22I was 45 when I started a show in my fucking garage and by some fluke of nature and cosmic timing,
46:27it put me back on the map and I've started to work.
46:30My show that was my sitcom for four years was on a network that really nine people watch and they didn't promote.
46:37And, and, but you, you know, but it trained me a lot.
46:39And what I'm getting around to is that the wisdom that I have learned is that if you really,
46:46like the best that you can be is to be, to really know that who you are and that you're ready to do things
46:53and that you're not afraid and you sort of know your limitations.
46:56And I, that didn't happen from any advice.
46:58It happened because of this slog.
47:00So by the time I finally am able to make a living in show business, I'm fucking 50.
47:05That's perfect though, in one sense, right?
47:08It is, it is.
47:08Yeah, because it's sort of like, what else is going to happen?
47:10Now you've got the goods.
47:11Also, when you're younger, you know, you see all these young people and they get really, you know,
47:17a lot of success really quickly at an early age.
47:19And it's just hard.
47:21They just don't know how to handle it.
47:22And so things go wrong.
47:24Taught me a lot.
47:25It happens.
47:25I had a wife and three kids when I first got on SNL.
47:27That show knows what it can do for your career in 60 seconds.
47:32Yeah.
47:32You know how I handle it, Tony, which is odd because of how long it took, is I pretend it's not happening.
47:39That's really good.
47:40Hey, denial is a really underrated thing.
47:42I totally do that.
47:43I pretend like.
47:44People are like, why don't you buy a new house?
47:45I'm like, should I?
47:46My mother told me to buy like a new car for four years.
47:50But this one works.
47:51Right.
47:52I was driving a 2004 Camry and she's like, why don't you get a new car?
47:56And you know, it was fucked up because the reason I got one is I pulled that shit box up to an event here in Hollywood.
48:01Yeah.
48:01And everyone's getting out of black, shiny cars and I'm pulling up my shit box and I don't even want the valet to park it.
48:07I'm like, just tell me where to put it.
48:08I don't want to put you through that.
48:09I got a new car.
48:10I got a new Camry.
48:11You're your alternator.
48:13New Camry.
48:14The best advice I ever got was that comedy was easy from another comic and life was hard.
48:22And I just thought that was really accurate.
48:24Wow.
48:24Because I think my life has been much harder than my career.
48:27So that was really good.
48:29It's real like that too.
48:30What you just said was so true.
48:32It's the truth.
48:33Because we easy on stage.
48:35No one can touch us.
48:36That's our world.
48:36Yeah.
48:37No one can touch us when we're up there.
48:38We free falling.
48:39Especially nowadays.
48:40But when you get, listen, Michael Jackson problems didn't come on stage.
48:45It came off.
48:46But you kind of knew that he had problems.
48:48Yeah, but you knew it.
48:49You saw it on stage.
48:51We're going to end on a lightning round of questions that I'm hoping that we can have fun with.
48:56Let's do it.
48:57Complete the sentence.
48:58I wish someone would cast me as.
49:01A man.
49:02A woman.
49:05I'll try that.
49:06I'll try it.
49:07It's an easy tuck for me.
49:11No tuck necessary.
49:12I'm going to go Louis Armstrong.
49:14Nice.
49:16I think a rabbi or a cop.
49:20Yes, yes, yes.
49:21I want to see you as a cop.
49:23Serpico too.
49:24Someone intelligent.
49:29Someone sexy and good looking.
49:32It's a stretch for both of you guys.
49:36And this one.
49:37I said I'd wish someone would cast me.
49:38It was the first one.
49:39And this one.
49:40I'm tired of being approached to play.
49:42The fat guy.
49:44No, I'm just kidding.
49:45I was taking a joke.
49:47I don't have an answer.
49:49I don't have.
49:50I'm not being approached.
49:51Yeah.
49:52I'm tired of not being approached.
49:54Yeah, that's the same answer.
49:55Nothing.
49:56Well, I mean, I don't get approached a lot.
49:58But generally, like, it's different variations of cranky.
50:05So maybe I'd like to try a nice guy, maybe.
50:11Yeah, that's good.
50:12I love that.
50:12Well, I'm not tired of being asked to do this.
50:14But I see the pattern starting now.
50:16It's the dad.
50:17I'm the dad of the troubled teen.
50:21The 25-year-old.
50:22Yes, yes.
50:23The 25-year-old.
50:24I'm getting tired of being approached as a troubled teenager.
50:26It's not in my day.
50:27All right, we have two more.
50:28If we went back to who you were as kids,
50:31your high school yearbook would likely say,
50:33most likely to...
50:35Mine was trip at graduation.
50:37And that's true.
50:38And I really did it.
50:40I went to three different high schools.
50:41I graduated.
50:43Nobody really knew me when I graduated.
50:45What should it have said?
50:46Most likely to...
50:47Almost make it.
50:50Mine was not a chance.
50:53Yeah.
50:53Not a chance.
50:55Mine would have been most likely to lose his hair, I think.
50:58You should have done.
50:59Mine would have been...
51:00Who is that?
51:04I don't think...
51:05I mean, I had very few friends, but...
51:07I think that, you know, I don't feel...
51:11It's not like a bad thing.
51:12I don't feel bad about it.
51:13But I always was...
51:15I wanted to be, you know, president.
51:18So I hope somebody said, most likely to become president.
51:22Which I thought I could never do until recently.
51:26Yeah.
51:27It's open now.
51:29Yeah, it's open.
51:30Anyone can do it.
51:30I'm throwing my name in the hat.
51:32Yeah, why not?
51:32I got a chance.
51:33Yeah, you would be good.
51:35Yeah.
51:36And the last one.
51:37If there were...
51:37You would be as confusing as the one we have now.
51:40Great.
51:41It would be great.
51:43If there was a comedy series made up of everyone at this table, it would be called for the final answer.
51:49Paid up of us?
51:50Yes.
51:50Of all of us?
51:51Save me.
51:51Whoa.
51:52That's awesome.
51:54That would be fun.
51:54I got it.
51:55When worlds collide.
51:57Mm-hmm.
51:58When we're looking at all these different worlds, man, when worlds collide, every episode will be crazy.
52:03What would the title be?
52:04Yeah.
52:05Who ate the ice cream?
52:08And would never leave this room?
52:10Naked and Afraid.
52:12That's good.
52:13That was my honeymoon.
52:19Oh, boy.
52:21We should come up with something.
52:26That's plenty.
52:27Everybody loves Raymond.
52:29Could be one of us.
52:29Yeah.
52:30I mean, you know, he's very likable.
52:33What about left field?
52:35Sure.
52:35That's good.
52:36Left field.
52:36This is all out of left field, man.
52:38I think Ray's looking for something that's really going to pop.
52:40Yeah.
52:40And I've given up on it.
52:42This is why I'm going with him.
52:43This is why I wouldn't do a show again.
52:45You're in the writer's room until three in the morning.
52:47A lot of guys sitting there.
52:48For one line.
52:49For one line.
52:50Here we go.
52:51Looking at the computer.
52:52Here's the thing.
52:52We have to, in the writer's room, you have to first spew all the wrong things, the disgusting,
52:58politically incorrect things, and then come out with the one you're going to use.
53:01We can't do that here.
53:03Yeah.
53:03How about this, Ray?
53:05We're still working.
53:07Yeah.
53:07How about six relatively selfish guys?
53:10How about men of a certain stage of decline?
53:20Differences.
53:21Yeah.
53:22How about five out of six of us have sciatica?
53:29Adam.
53:30No, thank you all.
53:32Who doesn't, though?
53:34Who doesn't?
53:35Which one?
53:36It's you.
53:36You know it.
53:37But I have my knee.
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