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00:01Hurling is an amateur game played by professionals.
00:06Their commitment is unreal.
00:08The pride in any parish to see their guy, our girl,
00:11lining out in the black and amber,
00:13that's why we flock to see him.
00:17Parts of the county have hurling there for 150 years.
00:21The game represents the values and the communities we play for.
00:25Other superstars at the time were super hurlers,
00:30but not the same.
00:32There was electricity about when he got the ball.
00:35From a very young age, he was so speedy, he was so fast.
00:39The artful Dodger, his classmates were calling him.
00:43He was able to stay out of danger, you see.
00:46And he didn't need to play dirty.
00:50I have to say he was the best I ever saw, really.
00:53There was a huge excitement when he was in form.
00:56And he was definitely the star.
00:59Kilkenny!
01:04DJ Kerry!
01:05DJ Kerry!
01:07Deadest Joseph Kerry.
01:09When the pressure was on, Kilkenny could rely on DJ.
01:13Probably like Georgie Best in his day.
01:15You knew that this was extraordinary and you didn't have to be a big hurling fan to know that you were looking at an absolutely superb athlete.
01:27Still DJ Kerry!
01:28The game!
01:29And it's good!
01:30DJ Kerry!
01:31DJ's in the waiting!
01:33A goal!
01:34I can still picture him on that TV scoring the goals, going for the high ball.
01:39I can still see him.
01:41You know, and he was, he was, he was God.
01:45DJ is God.
01:46In God we trust, in DJ we believe.
01:48If he was a professional today, he'd be worth 50 million.
01:54The right team would be worth nothing.
01:56Nothing.
01:57He seemed to handle that stardom very well on the field.
02:02Stars who give us highs in life, every county has their own.
02:06In any of their counties, those people could shoot somebody in their county.
02:10And it wouldn't come up on their CV.
02:14Judge Martin Nolan sentenced him to a total of five and a half years in jail, saying he couldn't imagine a more reprehensible type of fraud.
02:23You really have to do fairly serious mental acrobatics to get your head around it at all.
02:31I wonder how unhappy a man would have to be, to be hiding all that behind such a persona, which was so pure and wholesome.
02:43DJ Kerry is accused of inducing 23 people to pay him money after he had fraudulently claimed to have cancer.
02:50There are very good people in Kilkenny.
02:53They'll have tears in their eyes as they talk about his hurling and what has happened, and they cannot believe it.
02:59There are others that are absolutely torn by this.
03:02They don't want to talk about the fraud part of this story.
03:05He is the ultimate hitman, and we mean that in the nicest possible way.
03:10DJ Kerry.
03:12Kilkenny loved DJ. Why would they not?
03:15We're all responsible for the consequences of our actions.
03:18He was absolutely a master, Carmen.
03:22Cheers.
03:23But to this day, if I met him out in the street, if he wanted to talk to me, I would sit down and have a coffee with him.
03:28It's the most extraordinary story.
03:53It's the most extraordinary story, and while for a long time I didn't allow myself to have
04:01an opinion on it, I just tried to look at the evidence in front of me, read the text
04:06messages, talk to people, try and figure out what was going on, but now that I have come
04:15to the end of the road in terms of the investigation or exhausting a lot of avenues, I would say
04:25it looks like it's textbook criminality. It looks like it's a story of betrayal. It's
04:34the story of a man who was loved by so many people, and ultimately he betrayed their love
04:40and their trust in him because he went back to those very same people and he took money
04:45from them. And the thing is, I think a lot of them would have given him the money, but
04:52he took it on the basis that he had cancer.
04:56Hi there, it's Imer Nivrenawn here. I'm just checking in. I'm just wondering if you had
05:04a chance to think about our last conversation. Obviously I'm traipsing around the country
05:09trying to get people to talk to me about what is going on at the moment. There were times
05:14when DJ got into some details about his personal life, so he addressed this issue or the rumour
05:20about cancer with journalists. Dennis Walsh reports that these whispers were persecuting
05:26Carey, that there was an epidemic of rumours, so many so sinister, so false. A couple of years
05:33ago he reports a story swept the southern half of the country that he was dying of cancer.
05:40He knows how it started. Suffering from stomach pains, he was sent to hospital in Waterford
05:46for tests. The tests took place in the same area of the hospital that housed the oncology
05:50facilities. Sitting there he was seen and from such a sighting his cancer was born. So clearly
05:57in the interview, DJ dismissed any suggestion that he was suffering from cancer. But it begs
06:03the question, is this where DJ first got the idea about the cancer?
06:10Well, Bernie, how are you? How's it going? Thanks a million. You're very good to tell me
06:19about the celebrations that are coming up because I wondered about that. Because that 2000 team,
06:25that was obviously a big year for DJ, he'd have to be invited to that celebration then on All-Ireland
06:33Day. Will they name him out? Will he get a standing ovation? Yes. You'll see what happens
06:41at half-time yet.
06:42And foot forward with DJ Kerry from New Maryland. He scored one four of the day. Sending his
06:51turn on back of a five total. And he would end the year with his eight and nine four star
06:56awards. DJ is not with us today.
07:02We actually met a couple of people from his hometown in the last week. I think my impression
07:13compared to a number of years ago where people were almost defending him. And, you know, he
07:18was very revered. And it was a completely different viewpoint at this time.
07:23It's hard though as well, Ger. I know like Mag is saying about the feeling has changed, which
07:28is interesting from some people in Kilkenny, because at the start, there was a lot of disbelief.
07:33But is it, you're in a different circle in a way to Mag, because you are very steeped in the GA.
07:39Is it a difficult position for you to be in?
07:41It's easy to say, oh, I'm angry. I'm, you know, disappointed. I'm, but like, it's a total, you know,
07:49it's a concoction of feelings really. And I think, you know, the general public really are probably
07:55in a similar position. You know, look, now sitting back, I wasn't able to see beyond my decency or our decency.
08:05I mean, you played on your vulnerability, which, you know, is really, it is unforgivable, really.
08:11I do know a person who rang me, who talked about, he had given some money to, I think about 5,000.
08:17And he said if his wife found out, she would divorce him. So he was busy doing all the hours God gave
08:23to try and replenish that fund, because she didn't know, and she would never know, and he would never
08:29talk about it. And it was people like that. That was probably the day I decided, hang on here now.
08:34I just need to talk about this.
08:36How many people do you know personally gave DJ Kerry money?
08:44I'd say about 10. About 10. For sure.
09:00I regard myself as being a very lucky person, in terms of everything, despite having cancer.
09:07When Gerard came home one day and said, listen, I got a phone call, a very strange request from DJ Kerry,
09:11he's looking for 5,000. And he basically said, he's got your cancer. And I said, you're choking me.
09:17That's gas, you know.
09:21Kenny Hurling circles, it's a small place and, you know, you're at matches, you knew him, you know,
09:26maybe to say hello to him, maybe a few words, but like, it was, it was, there was nothing.
09:31In passing, he mentioned that a space had come available at short notice in this centre where he gets his
09:37stent cells and he had a shortfall of monies and he needed, he needed money to get there and get his treatment
09:45and that he would repay the money upon, you know, when his insurance kicked in.
09:50Gerard just talked about that hospital in Seattle when he was in America getting treatment, blah, blah, blah.
09:57And I remember kind of taking it in, but not really. I said, if he needs the money, that's, that's fine.
10:02I was a bit surprised. I knew his business had been in difficulty. He wasn't well, so maybe he wasn't working.
10:08You know, I believed Gerard's story. And I said, I remember saying to Gerard, we have to presume we're never going to get that money back.
10:14And I said, it doesn't matter. It's 5,000. And if he needs the money, just give it to him. That's it.
10:22He's won in 2003 and Kilkenny are champions.
10:28You were very upset at the time that all the papers literally lit upon you at the time of your marriage breakup.
10:34How difficult was that?
10:36It, it, it was, it was a marriage breakup. It was, it was difficult.
10:44That's life, unfortunately. I'm a public figure. Amateur or not, I'm a public figure.
10:48But it's the stuff when they make up a story to get a story.
10:53I suppose it's what's most upsetting.
10:57And I'm a big person. I'm an adult. If I do something, I have to put my hand up and say, yes, I done that.
11:03I knew what I was doing, you know, so, and if that gets into the public arena, I can't help that.
11:10When DJ Carey himself addressed the rumours, he was given more fuel all the time to the fire and there was more intrigue.
11:19Lo and behold, a few weeks later, he's in the headlines again.
11:22There was a front page story about how he had gone into the garage at Crookstown in County Kildare.
11:30He had stopped off. He left the keys in the car, left thousands of euro in the boot.
11:37And he came out and the car was on its way up the road.
11:40So the headline that the examiner went with that was on that front page was speedy DJ turns the tables on car thief.
11:51That was the front page on how the country's leading GAA star apparently proved to be just as worthy an opponent off the pitch as on.
11:58So he jumped into an onlooker's car, they reported. He pursued the thief himself, even though Gardaí were aware there was a guard of cars, there was a guard of helicopter.
12:09And the journalist said that this story ended with Carey tracking down the thief, pulling him out of the BMW.
12:16However, the culprit eventually got away. So he managed to recover his car, but it was reported that several phones as well as two and a half grand in cash were taken.
12:28And the culprit was still on the run last night.
12:31It just seems like mad stuff. Thinking back, some of the detail of it was really extraordinary.
12:37It's absolutely crazy when you think of how many thousand miles this man drove. Who would do it?
12:49From Micell in County Carlow all the way up to Armagh to some GAA hall. This was on another level.
12:56Now usually hurlers could command a fee. They could get some cash, maybe five or six hundred pounds in an envelope to say thanks to them for doing a gig gig.
13:07There were people I spoke to that said, listen, DJ Carey came here. When we tried to pay him, he'd wave the hand and say, ah, the cup of tea is grand.
13:18I don't think DJ Carey was in it for the money. I don't think DJ Carey was pocketing huge amounts of money from these public appearances.
13:28He was very attention seeking behind it all. He craved, desperately craved people's approval.
13:37So in terms of his public profile, the perception of him, he had an excellent reputation.
13:44Because there were times when he walked into a parish and he was like God.
13:53After one particular gem and this ball was doing a river dance in the back of the net, I just said, God in his heavenly throne couldn't do that.
14:10I don't think we knew DJ. I don't think any of those people, they knew, they knew the persona.
14:25The thing about DJ is, he was a very strange man.
14:32There's an Irish saying, if you want to know me, come live with me.
14:35And I think the people that really know DJ Carey, they spent a period of time actually living with him.
14:41Female relationships, ex-girlfriends, his former wife, they are the people that will know what the real DJ Carey is like.
14:49Because it's very hard to keep a persona or a mask on 24-7.
14:58I don't know if anyone is ever comfortable with the profile.
15:02It's there, it's something, you know, I've played our national sport at the highest level.
15:08DJ is spending more time all over the country.
15:12There was a suggestion, a DJ was out maybe looking for somebody in terms of an agent of sorts.
15:20So it was reported in the media that Barbara Gallivan was DJ Carey's new agent.
15:26But Barbara had a good friend, Sarah Newman.
15:29The Dragons all know what it takes to be successful in the fiercely competitive world of business.
15:33Essex girl Sarah Newman made her fortune by setting up and selling the needahotel.com website.
15:44Sarah had been hugely successful in business.
15:48So she was known, got the name as the Dragon because she was on Dragon's Den.
15:53But certainly there was lots of extraordinary stories about her wealth at the time.
15:57For example, Sarah Newman went to Mount Juliet one day that she'd half a million and that she bought a home in Mount Juliet.
16:06And it is that day that she met DJ Carey.
16:10Sarah was the one with the money.
16:13DJ was the one with the profile.
16:15But as soon as he met Sarah, he stepped into a different world.
16:21Cheers.
16:28The country is still digesting the news that DJ's marriage is over.
16:37Five months later, he's out with Sarah Newman.
16:42Huge flurry of media interest.
16:44Cheers.
16:46DJ didn't exactly keep his head down.
16:48So you're fed up with the weather back home.
16:50You want a bit of golf. You want a bit of sun.
16:52Why not come to one of my favourite places in the world, Sun City?
16:54Sun City.
16:55He went off and filmed a programme with RT, No Frontiers.
16:59And that's how he announced his relationship to Sarah, to the wider world.
17:03They went on a safari to South Africa.
17:05So for a fella who was driven about privacy issues, why would you go off and film a programme with your new girlfriend?
17:13Come on!
17:15Number 14 down there is my boyfriend, so that's why I'm interested.
17:18Kenny are producing players all the time. While it's an end of an era for some players, it's the start for others.
17:26DJ was coming to the end of his career. He was getting older as a hurler. He had given a huge amount to Kenny hurling.
17:33End of an era. DJ Kerry has confirmed his inter-county career is over.
17:38He didn't owe the supporters anything, but definitely his dedication would have been dwindling towards the end.
17:45He seemed to be very interested in the golf now, and in heading out to the K Club and Mount Juliet to hit a few balls.
17:52He says he had no interest in the socialite scene, but yet himself and Sarah were pictured at many events like that.
18:03There were so many articles about them. Their names were mentioned many times in social diaries in the Irish Independent and elsewhere.
18:11And between them, they were a real Celtic tiger power couple.
18:15I was a member of Mount Julie's since it opened. I would have often met DJ up there, played with him a couple of times up there.
18:30Knew him pretty well, to be honest with you. His partner, Sarah, I would have came across as well.
18:38He came across as so honest and truthful. An absolute gentleman that wouldn't know a lie if it bit him.
18:54I would never have questioned anything.
18:56We met him at Mount Julie's one day. He was telling me he'd been for an operation over in the States.
19:07And all I can tell you is it was stomach-turning what he described, what he went through over in the States,
19:18and the operation he had on his stomach.
19:20This is a jersey that's DJ's sign for me. One of a number of items he autographed for me.
19:37The verdict?
19:39He needed at least one or two more treatments, and he was financially in a bad situation.
19:46I was probably, at the time, just lucky. I had retired, and I had a lump sum between finishing up work and my pension.
19:58So I did have money to spare.
20:01This harl was made by DJ's brother. He's personally signed it to myself.
20:08I'll forever treasure this harl for what it represents for the greatest harler of all time.
20:17I had 700 or 800 on me the first day that I met him.
20:20So I gave him that and told him, look, I'd see what I could do.
20:23I didn't promise anything to him, but I think it was afterwards then I gave him the 10.
20:27You gave him 10.
20:28You gave him 10.
20:29Yeah.
20:31And I gave him three, I think, after that, and 1,500, 1,500.
20:38About 17, I think, in total.
20:40Things were great when Sarah was a multi-millionaire.
20:56Celtic Tiger times, plenty of wealth going around.
20:59DJ was certainly enjoying himself.
21:01Life was good in the K Club, but obviously we know what came afterwards.
21:06The crash, the fact that the properties that they paid multi-million euro prices for,
21:11like they weren't worth a fraction of it at the end.
21:14Once the banks wanted their money back, and once things started to get very stressful for the pair of them,
21:21the cracks started to appear.
21:23DJ's business was under pressure.
21:26So while the business was small, he had always managed to make a living out of it
21:29and to employ people from it.
21:32But, Katrina obviously was really involved around this time.
21:36Around 2009, she had to step away.
21:40Newman took over as director with DJ at that stage.
21:47And she called in the auditors because she wasn't happy with what she saw.
21:54She also spoke to media about it.
21:55So this caused a massive issue for DJ and his family.
22:00Katrina was very unhappy with all of that.
22:06She had the media at her door in the period afterwards when all of this became public.
22:13So it got really, really dirty.
22:15Properties owned by him at golf resorts, the K Club in Kildare, and Mount Juliet in Kilkenny,
22:19that had been used as security for the debt.
22:22Other assets were sold too.
22:24The banks then on their tails as a couple.
22:27Then 2011, you know, they tried to save the relationship.
22:31There was talk at one stage that they'd get married even.
22:35For Sarah, she had actually planned the wedding.
22:37She did an exclusive interview on the 22nd of April 2012, when she said that the relationship with DJ was over.
22:47The Dragon and DJ were no more.
22:49Lo and behold, within weeks, DJ is back grabbing the headlines.
22:58This time he was in Kilkenny Garda Station.
23:01Apparently he was filling out a form or something like that when he took some kind of a turn and he collapsed.
23:07In 2012, you collapsed and your son, Mikey, heard the cruelest rumour of them all, which was what?
23:20He was told by a young fellow in his class that came out on Facebook that I had committed suicide.
23:25You know, so you can imagine how difficult that was and how difficult it was for him.
23:30Do you know what happened in terms of the cause of that collapse?
23:33Well, the cause of it was I was carrying a virus around my heart wall, which is called pericarditis.
23:41Okay.
23:42Stress causes it, whatever else, and that brought it on.
23:45So, you know, but thankfully I was in the right place at the right time.
23:48Did you ever sustain, do you think?
23:50DJ did a very high-profile interview, and he alludes to health in that interview, but it's really confusing.
23:58Right, well, that answers that question.
23:59But the other thing...
24:00Didn't you have a brain scan in hospital, DJ?
24:01I did, yeah.
24:02But the other thing I want to say about...
24:03Sorry.
24:04You know, what I found was...
24:05There had even been rumours at that stage that there was something up with DJ.
24:10People were nearly afraid to say the word cancer, but certainly DJ left us with the impression
24:15that he had something serious wrong with him.
24:18What did the brain scan that you had in hospital show up?
24:20Well, I had a double aneurysm, and I had seven blood cuts.
24:24Shafers.
24:25You tend to believe people when they say that something happened to them, but when it's
24:32something medical, it's extraordinarily difficult, because doctors can't verify a story for you
24:38about patients, and if the horse's mouth is telling you, well, yeah, I did go to America,
24:42and I had clots on my brain, and maybe he did.
24:48But like everything with DJ, there's question marks.
24:52Because we don't know what's true and what's false, so he's a bit like the boy who cried wolf.
24:57It's very hard to know where the truth lies.
25:10When I heard about the cancer, I would say I probably neither believed it nor disbelieved it.
25:17It was just another story about DJ.
25:21And look, if you told me that DJ was going to the moon, I would have said, yeah, whatever.
25:29It might be true.
25:31Probably wasn't true.
25:32But you never know.
25:38He came in occasionally as a customer.
25:40We'd see him now and...
25:41Over the years?
25:42Over the years, yeah.
25:43He always sat at those two tables with his back to the wall, where the sign 17 is,
25:49there or the other one over there.
25:51He always sat there, looking down this way.
25:54Do you think he was targeting people?
25:57No, at hindsight, you're thinking, yeah, he was seeing who his next mark was going to be almost, you know.
26:04There was one man coming in here, and he was involved in the hurling community.
26:08He was a businessman.
26:10He was a businessman, and he just told me that he'd give DJ money.
26:15And I can still remember seeing him standing up there, talking with DJ, you know.
26:20So, the money is part of it.
26:22But I think the real lack of confidence and respect that you lose when someone you hold in high regard
26:31just lets you down a bit, I suppose.
26:40A friend of mine down in Kilkenny was walking through the lobby in the hotel,
26:44and there was DJ sitting there.
26:46And he asked my friend for my phone number.
26:52I'd heard that he wasn't well, that he had a very, very serious condition.
26:56There was a killer disease, but the treatment that he was getting in Seattle was working.
27:07He phoned me.
27:09He needed funds.
27:11My first reaction, of course, whatever we can do, we'll do it.
27:14I had a pub that I found in Spain, Paddy's Point.
27:20We were making lots of money.
27:22In Spain, my son Ian, DJ, would have been his idol as well.
27:27I said to Ian, we have to do something.
27:31We have to do something for DJ.
27:33And he agreed with that, you know.
27:35On the Friday, he rang me, and he said that he was going to Seattle on Tuesday.
27:44He says, Bernie, you're immersed in the GAA there in Westmeath,
27:48and you know the people, you know all the clubs.
27:50Could you get the clubs to raise some funds for this, for me?
27:55I said, of course I will, DJ, but it has to start in Kilkenny.
27:58And by this time, I said, surely there must be, even to tide you over,
28:03there must be people down in Kilkenny after you've done all you've done for Kilkenny.
28:07Yeah, he said, I can't do anything down there.
28:10I get nothing down there on account of the sister.
28:13Yeah.
28:17He said the scandal with his sister had broken at that time,
28:20and I can't set up anything in Kilkenny.
28:23A former Ireland hockey international and camogie player faces three charges of money laundering
28:30between January of 2019 and December 2021,
28:35having falsely represented that Carey's Fort Asset Estates
28:38was in a position to secure finance for distressed mortgage holders
28:42and that the deposit was refundable.
28:49DJ Carey, while what he was doing was completely separate to his sister's,
28:52they were on two different paths.
28:56But all the time while the focus was on Katrina,
28:59people were wondering, what if he's not credible?
29:02What if he's been telling us lies?
29:05People started to scrutinise things a little bit more carefully.
29:10When Katrina's story was exposed,
29:13there was all of a sudden a lot of attention on the Carey's,
29:17and that wouldn't have suited DJ.
29:18Katrina Carey, Paul Murphy here from RT Investigates.
29:20I'd like to ask you about your business and your business practices, please,
29:23if you have a moment.
29:25The news with his sister had broken at this stage.
29:29So I was taken aback.
29:30And then Ian, in Spain, he heard something as well.
29:33We were going to give him five grand.
29:36He said, hold back on that. He said, there's something not right.
29:42He said, give him a thousand first, and we'll see how it goes.
29:46I rang DJ.
29:50There was silence.
29:53I knew that he didn't consider that any good, you know.
29:55And I felt bad.
29:56And I knew then, as nice as DJ is, I knew that he really was not happy.
30:08I had a quick conversation with my brother.
30:13And I said to him, you know, what's DJ Carey like?
30:16And he just said to me, stay away from him.
30:18Something not right there.
30:19I said, you know, he's very sick.
30:21Not at all.
30:22There's nothing wrong with him.
30:23Be careful.
30:24Stay away from him.
30:25And then I decided, hmm.
30:27Right.
30:28I think we might have a little bit of a problem here.
30:33There came a point.
30:34I think Meg all of a sudden realized here, maybe, that there was some level,
30:38something deceitful about what was going on.
30:42She found the strength and just said to me, like, being fiercely determined
30:47that this wasn't going to happen to another person.
30:50She just said, enough is enough.
30:51That's it.
30:52End of story.
30:53This is not going to happen to anyone else.
30:55This is DJ Carey, your DJ tonight.
31:10At the time, it never even occurred to me that anybody could be so devised or
31:14manipulative to tell somebody they had a cancer.
31:19And even worse to say, to tell the husband of a recently diagnosed person
31:23that the same cancer.
31:24I couldn't.
31:25I didn't believe in anyone could be that evil to do that.
31:29So I absolutely never, never occurred to me that he didn't have cancer.
31:33Never.
31:34I still was very, you know, maybe I do want the money back now.
31:38And if he's getting the insurance money.
31:41So I sent a message to DJ and again, he come back.
31:44Oh, yeah, yeah.
31:45I'll do it next week.
31:46And that went down for a number of weeks.
31:48Then he go back and say, well, I have to transfer.
31:51He started to talk in riddles a bit.
31:54And I began to, I suppose, realize over time that something wasn't quite right here.
32:00Check it back by natural.
32:02Okay.
32:03So I got a call one day from a very successful businessman.
32:08And he said, hi, Mike, how are things?
32:11And I said, great, how are you?
32:13I won't mention his name.
32:14And he said, do you know DJ Carey?
32:18And I said to him, how much did you give him?
32:21You big idiot.
32:22And he said, oh, my God, yeah, I heard your name was mentioned.
32:27And I discovered that this person had given well in excess of 100,000.
32:33If it works out, brilliant.
32:35And if it doesn't, well, you have to take the flack afterwards.
32:38So tell us, did DJ ask you for a loan?
32:54Oh, he did, yeah.
32:55Oh, sure.
32:56The usual stuff, it didn't add up.
33:03I met him another day and he says, just after getting a full body blood transfusion.
33:07The previous week.
33:10And he was carrying a bag and I said, Jesus, that's amazing.
33:12I said, you're, I think you're some man for one man.
33:15And, but I thought to myself, you know, this doesn't sound right.
33:20Doesn't even, even sound kosher even.
33:23So I asked a friend of mine who's a doctor, you see.
33:26And I said, listen, I said, if somebody had a full body blood transfusion,
33:30how long would it take to recover?
33:32And he says, Jesus, he says, depends on the system and their body.
33:36And what they wear and all the rest of it.
33:38And he says, so three months plus.
33:40So I said, yeah.
33:41So he asked me afterwards, do you think about it?
33:43And he says, no.
33:44I did it.
33:45But I says, no, it won't be, do anything for you.
33:47There was a friend of mine then.
33:48Okay.
33:49He came to me and he told me he gave him money.
33:51And I says, are you sure that was the right thing to do?
33:54And he says, well, I felt it was right.
33:56Do you know much again?
33:58I'm not sure.
33:59I'm not sure.
34:00He didn't specify the amount, but it was too sizable.
34:03So this.
34:04It was more than 15,000.
34:05He's a very capable man.
34:13Very eloquent, you know, very clever man.
34:18He's not, he's not stupid, you know, by any means.
34:24I have nothing but fond memories of D.J.
34:26I'm very grateful to him.
34:28He has always been good and kind, remembered me.
34:31He invited us to his wedding and the launch of his book.
34:36The day in City West when the DVD was launched
34:42by the Taoiseach at the time, Bertie Aron.
34:46Some of the lads that heard with D.J. when the bad news broke,
34:50they said, they stuck by him.
34:53Because they said, well, he's messed up,
34:56but we wouldn't have got where we are without him.
34:59We own, we own an awful lot.
35:05I spoke to him once for a while on the phone there.
35:09On the surface, he was saying everything seemed to be going well,
35:12like he was going to take this court case and take that.
35:15The police had confiscated his phone
35:18and gone after people to try and get a case against him.
35:22And, um, things were bad,
35:27but he was optimistic, you know.
35:31You see, when you look at it, like,
35:33he has to have been run and scared for the last 20 years.
35:35He must have been, or the last 10 years.
35:37Like, when the news broke about his sister,
35:40he knew that his finances were going to be looked at.
35:42So he must have been...
35:44Like, what sort of life had he?
35:48There are some moments where you think, like,
36:01how could he have gotten to this point?
36:03Like, this point of desperation.
36:06I don't know the date that this photograph was taken originally,
36:23but this photo emerged,
36:24and it was on loads of different forums, platforms,
36:28social media, Twitter, WhatsApp.
36:31Every group in the country nearly was sharing this image of DJ.
36:39From what I can see,
36:40it appears to be a photograph that DJ took
36:42that he sent to somebody.
36:43Maybe somebody he was interacting with around treatment
36:47and looking for money or whatever.
36:49It looked like some kind of a charger, iPhone,
36:52or otherwise stuck inside his nose.
36:55A fairly lame attempt, really,
36:58to show treatment for cancer.
37:05And it's hard to think, you know,
37:06that anybody would believe that.
37:08But then, when you compare that
37:10to what some of the people
37:13who were really involved with DJ,
37:15they recognised things in the photograph
37:17that said to me and said to others,
37:19said to their friends,
37:20that would be DJ all over,
37:23that he was quite creative,
37:24that he thought that he was smart.
37:26Like, just all very, very strange stuff.
37:33I remember saying to someone,
37:34what were people thinking giving him money?
37:37And they said,
37:38if you had a million euro,
37:40and DJ asked you for a hundred grand,
37:42would you give it to him?
37:43And I said, yeah, you know, I would.
37:45You would?
37:46Yeah.
37:47I would have.
37:48If he had asked me,
37:49I would have given it to him.
37:50Now, I would have had to.
37:51I don't have a hundred grand to hand out.
37:52But if I had,
37:53if I was well off,
37:54and he asked me,
37:55I would have given it to him.
37:56And I think that,
37:57because we loved him so much as a hurler.
38:00That picture, I suppose, is extremely special.
38:11I got it after the 2003 All-Ireland.
38:15DJ was signing autographs,
38:18as he usually does for everybody.
38:20And my daughter, Bridget,
38:23was in the photo along with my niece, Jenny.
38:26And to have a photograph like that for me,
38:31and for them as well,
38:33it's just a treasure to have that.
38:37And after what's happened,
38:42I couldn't leave it in the hallway anymore.
38:46So rather than throw it in the bin,
38:50there's still history there.
38:52So it's just discreetly put aside in the front room now.
39:07I remember thinking to myself,
39:08it was the principal.
39:09I'm going to get my money back.
39:11How am I going to do it?
39:13So I literally started to play his game.
39:16I literally started to play the DJ Gary game.
39:20That's how I got my money back.
39:23Me and you against the world, DJ.
39:25Everybody thinks you're a bad guy.
39:27You're not a bad guy.
39:28I know you're a good guy.
39:30I know where you've come from.
39:31You're a role model for my kids.
39:33You know, I'll work with you, DJ,
39:36because I know you're going to give me the money back.
39:38Because you know if you don't,
39:41you wouldn't have to see your name
39:43spread across the front of the Irish Times
39:45because everybody loves DJ Gary.
39:48And that wouldn't be something you'd want
39:50because I know your reputation is so important to you, DJ.
39:53It's more important than that 5,000.
39:58Time was moving on.
39:59It was getting closer and closer for me to go into isolation
40:01pre-stem cell transplant.
40:04And I rang him and said,
40:07OK, I need this money by Monday.
40:10Would I come meet him?
40:11I said, no, you come meet me in Goldsbridge.
40:13I wasn't going to be there.
40:15He didn't know that.
40:16And I rang Gary.
40:17He was up in the factory.
40:18And he came down from the factory to meet DJ.
40:20And I sent a text to DJ around that stage and said,
40:23by the way, I'm really sorry, DJ.
40:24I got stuck down in the hospital just getting bloods.
40:27Gary will meet you.
40:28I hope that's OK.
40:29She said he'll have 5,000 euro for you.
40:33Will you check it?
40:34So I came in.
40:37I counted the money.
40:39I think I said to him, that was grand.
40:43He didn't say hello.
40:44He was embarrassed, for sure.
40:46I think he was embarrassed.
40:47But, you know, maybe embarrassing.
40:50But there was shame or some element of, you know,
40:54he realised here that he had fucked with the wrong person.
40:59So Gary rang me at the happiest one.
41:02They'd had the coffee, the cash.
41:04I got the money.
41:05And I roared laughing because I just said to myself,
41:07poor Fekker, who did he get the five grand from?
41:14I'm embarrassed by all this in lots of ways.
41:17Maggie said to me, oh, cop yourself on.
41:19Like, kind of, you know, what are you embarrassed about?
41:22This man was, like, unfortunately, like, you know, a con man.
41:26He was taking monies off lots of people.
41:28And a few of these stories were kind of outlined.
41:31And then, I think, you know, there was a call then
41:34for a guard investigation.
41:41So I got a phone call from a detective.
41:43The reason that they had my name was because they had,
41:46obviously, his bank records.
41:47And they asked me whether to come and speak to him.
41:51So I went down to Waterford,
41:53and I sat there and I told my story.
41:56I felt it was important to stop him in his tracks.
42:02I won't protect him,
42:03but I will protect anybody who comes in contact with him
42:06from it happening to them.
42:09Absolutely.
42:10The guards rang me one day,
42:15and the first thing they said to me is,
42:18oh, I believe you're a friend of DJ Carey's.
42:22And I said, yeah, I am.
42:24And then I said, look, before we go on,
42:29can you categorically tell me
42:32that DJ never had an operation for cancer in the States.
42:39And they were able to tell me categorically
42:43he never had cancer.
42:45He was never in the States.
42:49I'd say I'd give him an Oscar for the acting.
42:53It was unreal.
42:54The thing about it is I never,
42:57I didn't care whether I got the money back.
43:00He would have got the money anyhow from me
43:02even if he wasn't sick.
43:03That's what an icon he was.
43:07He didn't have to say he was sick even.
43:09It's because he used the sickness.
43:11That's brought the sour note to everybody's door.
43:16The judge said most fraudsters seek to exploit people's greed,
43:22but DJ Carey had exploited people's good nature.
43:25He knew a lot of these people.
43:27They knew him as a formidable sportsman
43:29and wanted to help him in his hour of need.
43:35There's an old Chinese proverb,
43:37no man should be judged on his worst deed, you know.
43:41Now, the only thing that soured me,
43:44I had a good friend that we buried early this year,
43:48Jono Mahoney.
43:49And Jono was equally iconic in the G.A. as DJ.
43:56And he was one of the loveliest guys you could meet.
44:01Jono had the disease the DJ claimed he had.
44:05And Jono, the dignity with which he fought it
44:08and carried himself,
44:09that was the difference between two G.A. sporting icons.
44:13I resented very much then,
44:15for the first and only time I resented what DJ was doing,
44:19you know, on account of that.
44:21I'm sure it would be a disappointing turn for the average supporter,
44:37but it won't make any difference to me in how I look at the game of hurling.
44:43I'll still see that ball hitting the crossbar in Croke Park.
44:51I'll still see the crowd getting up under seats,
44:54highs in life and memorable moments.
44:58that no prosecutor or no journalist give me that moment.
45:06I won't get that spark that made my life a higher quality elsewhere.
45:11Yeah, I do remember the way he made me feel.
45:19And I don't know, I don't think it excuses bad behaviour.
45:25You know, it doesn't. I'm sorry.
45:27When you look at it, it's everywhere.
45:30It's in the arts, it's in film.
45:32What do we think of the Woody Allen masterpieces?
45:35What do we think of Caravaggio's?
45:37Do we still listen to thriller?
45:39You know, like, what do you do with that huge moral dilemma
45:45about the sinner and the sin?
45:48And I think we loved the sinner, but we can't condone the sin.
45:53I'm disgusted.
46:03Your wife died of cancer.
46:05Oh, gosh. Yeah.
46:07Did DJ know that?
46:09Oh, sure. That was...
46:10You can't live my life and live the life I've lived in front of people.
46:16Like, when my wife died, like, I've seen what cancer does
46:21and I've seen the devastation that cancer can have
46:24and I've seen the devastation that cancer had in our house
46:27and the effort that it took to get to the stage we're at now.
46:33But as regards DJ, DJ would have known, like...
46:38But for somebody, for anybody to say that they suffer from cancer,
46:45if it's not true, there's no coming back.
46:49You just can't be comfortable with that.
46:52That, to me, is beyond it.
46:59DJ's been jailed now for five and a half years.
47:02It's really hard to say exactly how much he took.
47:05Some sources are saying to me
47:07that two million wouldn't be wide off the mark.
47:09Businessman Dennis O'Brien alone gave DJ over 125,000 euro and $13,000.
47:16There's victims watching this and they've never come forward.
47:20Some men will be afraid to have told their wives.
47:23But the question is, how many of them are out there
47:26and how much was taken?
47:28Former Kilkenny hurler DJ Kerry has been jailed for five and a half years
47:38for defrauding people by falsely claiming he had cancer
47:42and needed money for treatment.
47:44Kerry defrauded 22 people out of almost 400,000 euro,
47:49around 350,000 euro of which has never been repaid.
47:53The judge said he couldn't imagine a more reprehensible form of fraud.
47:59I was delighted when he pleaded guilty
48:02because he's now facing up to the reality
48:10because he wasn't living in a real world up to now.
48:14When you have an addiction problem,
48:17and obviously DJ has a type of addiction,
48:20you have to face the truth yourself.
48:23And hopefully he will.
48:26And when he was a hurler, he never failed to take responsibility.
48:31Standing up in Croke Park to take a penalty shot
48:34and an all-Ireland final day, that takes guts.
48:38So that if he shows the same type of resilience and determination and guts,
48:45he can get through this as well.
48:50To me, anyway, it's a Shakespearean tragedy.
48:55A fatal flaw in a grand person.
48:58But it's of his own making.
49:03One of his friends.
49:04You've been doing that for a long time.
49:08One of his friends.
49:09I've only found his own ways in Germany.
49:12Do you want to passa by a few days?
49:14I've also found it to be a person that he fled from the world.
49:16For a long time, if he reaches the world,
49:18I'm going to change the world.
49:20But I just missed the world.
49:21It's a wonderful place.
49:22And I've been making.
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