- vor 2 Monaten
„Wenn nicht wir, wer dann?“: EU-Kommissarin sieht keine Alternative zum Pakt für den Mittelmeerraum
EU-Kommissarin Dubravka Šuica hat den neuen Pakt für das Mittelmeer gegen die Kritik verteidigt, die Initiative sei wegen der unterschiedlichen Interessen der Europäischen Union und der arabischen Staaten im Süden von Anfang an zum Scheitern verurteilt.
LESEN SIE MEHR : http://de.euronews.com/2025/11/21/wenn-nicht-wir-wer-dann-eu-kommissarin-sieht-keine-alternative-zum-pakt-fur-den-mittelmeer
Abonnieren Sie! Euronews gibt es in 12 Sprachen.
EU-Kommissarin Dubravka Šuica hat den neuen Pakt für das Mittelmeer gegen die Kritik verteidigt, die Initiative sei wegen der unterschiedlichen Interessen der Europäischen Union und der arabischen Staaten im Süden von Anfang an zum Scheitern verurteilt.
LESEN SIE MEHR : http://de.euronews.com/2025/11/21/wenn-nicht-wir-wer-dann-eu-kommissarin-sieht-keine-alternative-zum-pakt-fur-den-mittelmeer
Abonnieren Sie! Euronews gibt es in 12 Sprachen.
Kategorie
🗞
NewsTranskript
00:00Stéphane Grobe
00:30Stéphane Grobe
01:00Stéphane Grobe
01:02Stéphane Grobe
01:04Stéphane Grobe
01:06Stéphane Grobe
01:08Stéphane Grobe
01:10Stéphane Grobe
01:12Stéphane Grobe
01:14Stéphane Grobe
01:16Stéphane Grobe
01:18Stéphane Grobe
01:20Stéphane Grobe
01:22Stéphane Grobe
01:24Stéphane Grobe
01:26Stéphane Grobe
01:28Stéphane Grobe
01:30Stéphane Grobe
01:32Stéphane Grobe
01:34Stéphane Grobe
01:36Stéphane Grobe
01:38Stéphane Grobe
01:40Stéphane Grobe
01:42Stéphane Grobe
01:44Stéphane Grobe
01:46Stéphane Grobe
01:48Stéphane Grobe
01:50Stéphane Grobe
01:52Stéphane Grobe
01:54Stéphane Grobe
01:56Stéphane Grobe
01:58Wir sprechen über die Wirtschaft, wie wir die Europäische Unternehmen
02:03investieren in dieser Teil der Welt, um sie zu entwickeln.
02:07Wir verändern die Paradigme.
02:10Sie sind nicht nur die Bewerber der Donatoren,
02:15aber wir wollen sie helfen, zu entwickeln ihre Industrie,
02:18zu entwickeln ihre Länder und zu öffnen neue Jobs.
02:22Wir haben diese Leute hier in Europa geöffnet.
02:28Wir öffnen die Regeln für die Menschen, die in Europa kommen,
02:31aber wir öffnen neue Jobs für diese jungen Leute.
02:36Ich bin auch für die Demografie,
02:38also ist es sehr wichtig, die Demografie in die Balance zu setzen.
02:42Sie sind in dieser Teil der Welt geöffnet.
02:44Wir steigen hier in Europa.
02:46Es ist sehr wichtig, diese Leute hier in Europa zu setzen.
02:49Wir haben diese Leute hier in Europa.
02:52Es ist nicht zu entwickeln brain drain da.
02:54Es ist zu haben brain circulation,
02:56und es ist zu geben die Möglichkeit für diejenigen,
02:59die zu gewählten und die educativen sind,
03:02zu kommen hier,
03:04aber gleichzeitig zu bleiben in ihren Ländern
03:06und zu entwickeln ihre Länder.
03:08Es ist, in fact, eine komplett neue Philosophie
03:11rund um die Mediterranien.
03:13Sie wissen, dass wir brauchen Energie.
03:15Sie wissen, dass wir wollen die Energie zu verändern.
03:18Sie wissen, dass wir die Regie zu decarbonieren.
03:20Also, wenn wir die Regie zu decarbonieren,
03:22von dieser Seite,
03:23Franz, Spanien, Italien, Grieße, Cyprus.
03:28Aber wenn wir nicht die gleichen Standards
03:30in der Sotterne der Mediterranien,
03:33dann wird die Meer und die Regie zu verhindern.
03:36Wir wollen es wieder,
03:38also wollen wir,
03:39so wir wollen,
03:40wir wollen,
03:41wir wollen,
03:42wir wollen,
03:43eine gewählte Situation,
03:44öffnen neue Jobs,
03:45entwickeln diese Länder,
03:47decarbonieren die Region.
03:49So, alles ist dort.
03:50Daher?
03:51Daher sind die Kritiker,
03:52die haben bereits gesagt,
03:53dass dieses Projekt ist tot,
03:55aufgrund von den verschiedenen Ländern
03:58wir sprechen,
03:59hier.
04:00So, take Libya,
04:01für instance,
04:02wo die Russen und die Türken
04:03sind große Spieler.
04:05Take Algerien,
04:06Lebanon,
04:07Tunisien,
04:08die nicht in Europa haben,
04:10und dann,
04:11Europa,
04:12mit welchen Brussels
04:13ist,
04:14in der Lagerheids,
04:15über die Western Sahara.
04:17Wir haben nicht zu viel
04:19auf unsere Plätze hier?
04:20Sind diese Interessen
04:21einfach zu unterschiedlich?
04:22Ich kann
04:24mit einer
04:25Beantwortung,
04:26wer,
04:27wenn wir nicht da sind?
04:29Wer wird da sein?
04:30Wir verstehen,
04:31dass es China gibt,
04:32es Russland gibt,
04:33es gibt Russland,
04:34die Interessen in dieser
04:35Teil der Welt haben.
04:36Aber Europa
04:37möchte sein,
04:38und wir sagen,
04:40dass wir immer
04:42bezahlen,
04:43und wir sind die größten
04:44bezahlen
04:45für diese Länder.
04:46Wir wollen nicht nur
04:47bezahlen,
04:48wir wollen auch
04:49spielen,
04:50und das ist
04:51warum wir jetzt
04:52verändern.
04:53Natürlich ist es immer nicht
04:54easy,
04:55aber wir machen
04:56unser Bestes.
04:57Wir wissen, dass wir
04:58mit Ägypten haben,
04:59mit Tunisien,
05:00mit Jordanien,
05:02wir haben jetzt
05:03eine weitere
05:05mit dem
05:06mit Morokko
05:07vor,
05:08denn sie sind
05:09und wir wollen
05:10da sein.
05:11Und das ist
05:12was wir haben
05:13gemacht.
05:14Natürlich ist es nicht immer
05:15easy,
05:16also ich will nicht sagen,
05:17dass das Projekt
05:18ist da,
05:19auf der andere Seite.
05:20Wir werden,
05:21natürlich nicht
05:22fehlern,
05:23aber markieren
05:24die 30.
05:25Anniversary
05:26der Barcelona
05:27auf den 28.
05:28diesem Monat.
05:29Und das wird
05:30das Zeitpunkt
05:31geben,
05:32aber auch
05:34zu 27
05:35europäische
05:36Staten.
05:37von
05:40von der Leyen
05:41hat gesagt,
05:42dass die Kommission
05:43das Ziel ist
05:44progressive
05:45Integration.
05:46Das scheint
05:47ein bisschen
05:48distant
05:49heute.
05:50kann man
05:52name
05:53ein paar
05:54ganz
05:55Dinge
05:56von
05:57warum
05:58Menschen
05:59sollten
06:00sich
06:01excited
06:02über das.
06:03kommen
06:05aus
06:06unserer
06:07Cooperation
06:08mit ihnen.
06:09Es geht auch
06:10über
06:11die
06:12Werte
06:13und
06:14Bildung.
06:15Ein
06:16von
06:17den
06:18die
06:19wichtigsten
06:20die
06:22die
06:23die
06:24die
06:25die
06:26die
06:27die
06:28die
06:29die
06:30von
06:31Beirut
06:32nach
06:33Alexandria
06:34Marseille
06:35Barcelona
06:36Naples
06:37und
06:38Grieße.
06:39Die
06:41und
06:42die
06:43die
06:44die
06:45über
06:46die
06:48die
06:49die
06:50die
06:51die
06:53die
06:54die
06:55about culture, heritage, about religion,
06:58we can come closer.
07:00And this is our main goal because Mediterranean,
07:03we want to have Mediterranean as the bridge,
07:06not as the conflict zone, which is at the moment.
07:09So we want to change the situation.
07:12And this is exactly why we are turning our attention
07:15to the Mediterranean.
07:16It's not only Mediterranean, it's also Gulf countries,
07:19although they are not geographically Mediterranean,
07:22but we badly need Gulf countries to have,
07:24we need them on board in order to have peace and security
07:27in the Mediterranean, of course.
07:29So this is something which we are trying to establish.
07:34Of course, it's also about migration.
07:36I don't want to shy away from migration,
07:39but we want to stop migration by doing this,
07:43by helping young people to develop,
07:47and by helping young people to be part of this process.
07:51There are many projects, for example, in Egypt.
07:56In Egypt, we pledged, European companies pledged,
08:00after we signed this comprehensive partnership agreement,
08:03we pledged 49 billion euros investments in Egypt.
08:08So the same goes for Tunisia.
08:11In Jordan, we are just about to start some projects,
08:14so this is something which is ongoing.
08:17Morocco, you mentioned Morocco versus Sahara.
08:19We found a solution, and we are on good terms
08:23with our colleagues in Morocco and I.
08:26We are looking forward to deepening this agreement.
08:28Speaking of solutions, and let me now pivot to the Middle East,
08:32which is also part of the Mediterranean family,
08:34and I'm talking about, of course, the first meeting
08:38of the new group being established by the EU
08:40to support Palestinians, the Palestinian Authority,
08:44and the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip.
08:48Tell us about this group.
08:50Who is in it, and what's happening next?
08:52First of all, you know that we are trying to strengthen
08:56the Palestinian Authority, and this is our main goal.
08:59This is the reason why we invested from 2021 to 2024
09:031.3 billion euros, and now there is a new reform matrix program
09:08for this year, next year, and 27, 1.6 billion euros.
09:14Of course, this money will be dispersed upon conditions.
09:18Of course, conditions are reforms which they are obliged to do.
09:21What we are trying to do, there will be a Palestine donor group
09:25and it will be established by the Commission
09:27in co-ownership with the Palestinian Authority.
09:32So I will be chairing this group together with Mustafa,
09:36Prime Minister of Palestine.
09:40So Palestine donor group is a new platform
09:43where we will discuss their reforms,
09:46we will discuss what we can do to empower them,
09:49to encourage them to be stronger than they are at the moment.
09:55Of course, Hamas is out of question.
09:57We don't talk to these people, only to the people
09:59of the Palestine Authority.
10:01So there will be, at this moment, so far as I know,
10:04there will be 60 participants, all 27 member states,
10:08plus states, plus the region, and some other people
10:13who are invited from our partner countries and allies.
10:17So we will be trying to show that Palestine Authority can,
10:23at one point, or could at one point,
10:26take over some of the services in the country,
10:29not only in West Bank, but also later in Gaza.
10:32Now, the Palestinian Authority is a kind of a controversial body,
10:36if I may say.
10:37The Gulf states, for example, that you mentioned,
10:40they don't trust it.
10:42How do you get along with these guys,
10:44and how do you pressure the Palestinian Authority
10:47to implement reform, good governance,
10:51transparency, fight against corruption, etc.?
10:55We need solutions.
10:57We have Hamas.
10:58We don't want to talk to Hamas.
10:59Then we need some regular authority,
11:03which is Palestine Authority for us.
11:05And as I told, the money which we are investing there
11:10is conditioned.
11:12And all the money which we pay for Palestine Authority
11:15is done under Pegaz mechanism,
11:17which means that none or no cent is being disbursed
11:22without conditions.
11:24Reforms, and this is what we have been doing.
11:27So who, if we don't have them?
11:30So who will be in Palestine?
11:33We need someone, also Israel.
11:36They need someone to talk.
11:37So who will sit at the table once the situation allows?
11:43Who will sit at the table?
11:44Palestine Authority plus Israel.
11:47But they need to be reformed.
11:50And this is our precondition.
11:53To say that the EU is divided over the Gaza situation
11:58is a kind of an understatement.
12:00So there are some countries that have recognized
12:02a Palestinian state.
12:04Others haven't.
12:06Does that complicate your job
12:09in getting reconstruction going?
12:12Of course, it would be much easier
12:14if all of them recognize,
12:16but it won't change the situation.
12:19We have to reconstruct Gaza,
12:22but not only us.
12:23Europe cannot do it alone.
12:25This is why I said we need Gulf countries,
12:28but we also need American administration.
12:30And this is something which we have to be
12:32open and clear on it.
12:34So now, as you know,
12:35we have this 20 points program,
12:38which means that we have to move forward.
12:41And this is the only way.
12:43Of course, we need Israel to have on board.
12:45We need them to release tax revenues
12:48for Palestine people,
12:49which is not the case.
12:51We need many different commitments
12:54also from Israel.
12:55Of course,
12:56they are not in favor of two-state solution,
12:59but little by little,
13:00they need to say what do they want in the end.
13:03That ceasefire agreement
13:05that was established
13:06under the auspices of the Trump administration
13:09stipulates a board of peace.
13:12Will the EU have a seat at that table?
13:16If we talk about fair play,
13:21then we should have a seat
13:23in this peace board for sure,
13:25because as I said,
13:26we are the biggest,
13:28not only donors,
13:28but the biggest payers.
13:30And we are the ones
13:31who are involved.
13:33And they are our neighbors.
13:35We are the closest neighbors.
13:36So I think that we should have a place
13:39in this board.
13:40Which basically means
13:41Trump hasn't said,
13:42sit over here.
13:44Let's see.
13:46Let's see.
13:46Let's see.
13:47This will happen.
13:48Do you have,
13:48when talking about
13:49the reconstruction of Gaza,
13:50do you have an idea
13:51about the timeline,
13:52about the money
13:53that needs to be moved
13:56and invested,
13:57ballpark number?
13:58It was not by coincidence
14:00that Gulf countries
14:01are mentioned.
14:02So we need Arab countries,
14:04Gulf countries to be on board.
14:06We need them to invest
14:07and I'm sure that they will do it.
14:10Of course,
14:11we will also do our part,
14:14but Europe cannot do it alone,
14:15as I told you.
14:17And we are looking forward
14:19to this ceasefire to hold first.
14:21If this ceasefire holds,
14:23then we can talk about reconstruction.
14:25And I think that there will be
14:28a lot of money
14:29from different world money,
14:33financial institutions
14:35who will come on board.
14:37It's also about World Bank,
14:38it's about European Investment Bank,
14:40it's about EBRD.
14:41So all institutions
14:43should be on board.
14:44Now, all of this can only work
14:46if Israel and Hamas
14:49respect the ceasefire agreement
14:51that we just talked about.
14:52And I think the most crucial point here
14:55is the disarmament of Hamas.
14:58Will Hamas render the weapons?
15:01Do you see this coming anytime soon?
15:04I cannot tell you
15:06whether this will happen or not,
15:08but I think that this should happen
15:10because without laying down
15:12the weapons from Hamas' side,
15:15I don't think that there will be
15:17a ceasefire.
15:17So I'm sure that the world
15:20should pressure
15:21not only us for European Union,
15:23but also Americans
15:25should pressure Hamas to do it.
15:27Commissioner,
15:28you're also in charge of demography.
15:31And I've looked at the description
15:33of your official mission.
15:35And it says there
15:37that you're responsible for,
15:38and I quote,
15:39steering the implementation
15:40of the demography toolbox
15:43to help member states
15:44address their demographic challenges.
15:47So what is in your
15:49demographic toolbox?
15:51There is a lot.
15:53First, it's about women
15:54and families
15:56who should be in the labor market.
15:58When we talk about demography
15:59here in Europe,
16:00we talk from a competitive angle
16:02because we are not talking
16:04about birth rates,
16:05mortality rates.
16:06It's member state competence
16:07according to the treaty.
16:08but we have to,
16:11at this moment,
16:12there are 8 million European women
16:14who are not in the labor market
16:15because they have to take care
16:16about their kid
16:18or about their parent.
16:20So we want to have all women
16:22in the labor market.
16:23Second,
16:24we want to have all youngsters
16:26to be in the labor market,
16:27not anymore those
16:28not in education,
16:30not in employment,
16:33so-called needs.
16:34But the problem is
16:35that they have diploma,
16:37but their diploma
16:38don't match to the needs
16:40of the labor market.
16:43We have new jobs,
16:44digital jobs,
16:45artificial intelligence
16:47and green jobs.
16:48So they need to be adapted
16:50and this is the reason
16:51why we re-skill
16:52and up-skill them.
16:54Then there is a key problem
16:55which is
16:56if we retire too early,
17:00if we retire too early,
17:02we create brain drain.
17:03So this is also
17:04member state competence.
17:06Yes, you know what happened
17:06in France
17:07when they started changing
17:08this pension age
17:10from 62 to 64.
17:13But since we live longer,
17:15we live 10 years longer
17:16in last 50 years.
17:18In Europe,
17:19we live 10 years longer
17:20so we have to work longer.
17:21This is not very opportune
17:23for a politician to say,
17:24but this is something
17:25which we have to adapt
17:27our life expectancy
17:30to the working age.
17:33And this is all our laws
17:35and our legislation
17:36is adapted only to 65,
17:3870,
17:39but not to 80,
17:4090,
17:40100,
17:41which is now the case.
17:42And when we use all these three,
17:44women,
17:45youngsters
17:45and those who don't go early
17:48to retirement,
17:50we still need people
17:51in the European labor market.
17:53And then there is
17:54fourth pillar,
17:55which is legal migration.
17:58So human capital
17:59is precious
17:59and unfortunately,
18:01we miss this human capital.
18:03We have a projection.
18:04If each and every
18:05European woman
18:07in the next five years
18:08who is in a productive age
18:11would have five kids,
18:13I don't know
18:13whether it's biologically possible,
18:14but in five years,
18:15five kids.
18:17If this happens,
18:18these kids
18:19will be ready
18:20for labor market
18:21in 20 to 25 years.
18:24In the meantime,
18:25China,
18:26India,
18:27our allies in America,
18:28they are booming
18:29and European competitiveness
18:31is being decreased.
18:33And this is the reason
18:34why we badly need
18:36people and human capital.
18:37On this population decline
18:40in the EU,
18:41what are the reasons
18:43and are there
18:44regional disparities?
18:46There are regional disparities,
18:48but the reasons
18:48are sociological,
18:51philosophical.
18:52There is no
18:53black and white reply.
18:58There are disparities,
18:59but there is no silver bullet
19:03to change this.
19:04Right.
19:04So there should be
19:07a set of measures
19:08in order to change this.
19:10But as I told you,
19:11it can't be changed
19:13in a year or two.
19:16It's a long-term,
19:17this is long-term objective
19:19of the European Union.
19:20We have to work on it.
19:22And disparities,
19:23for example,
19:23if you look at
19:24the Baltic states
19:25in Finland,
19:27they have the lowest
19:28birth rate at the moment,
19:29although they are
19:30very rich,
19:32they have all standards.
19:33so it depends on women,
19:35it depends on their...
19:36I cannot reply
19:39to this question
19:41in, as I said,
19:42in a white and black manner.
19:45I totally understand that.
19:47All right.
19:47Dubravka Suitsa,
19:49EU commissioner
19:49for the Mediterranean.
19:51Thank you so much
19:52for a great
19:52Europe conversation.
19:53Thank you for having me.
19:55Vielen Dank.
Kommentare