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EU-Kommissarin Lahbib: „Hamas ist für uns kein Gesprächspartner“
In einem ausführlichen Exklusivinterview mit Euronews spricht EU-Kommissarin Hadja Lahbib über die Rolle der Europäischen Union im Nahen Osten und in der Ukraine – und verteidigt zugleich ihr Heimatland Belgien.
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In einem ausführlichen Exklusivinterview mit Euronews spricht EU-Kommissarin Hadja Lahbib über die Rolle der Europäischen Union im Nahen Osten und in der Ukraine – und verteidigt zugleich ihr Heimatland Belgien.
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00:00Hallo und willkommen to the Europe Conversation, I'm Stefan Grobe.
00:12In the European Commission, she's in charge of promoting equality and inclusion
00:16and upholding minorities' rights, women's rights, LGBTQ rights,
00:21and she's working on a new anti-racism strategy.
00:25She's also responsible for crisis management and civil preparedness
00:28and strengthening international cooperation and humanitarian diplomacy.
00:34Now, if that is not a crucial portfolio, I don't know what is.
00:38So, I'm excited to be joined by EU Commissioner Hadja Labib.
00:42Welcome to the program. It's a pleasure to have you here.
00:45Thank you for having me, Stefan.
00:47So, let me start by asking you about the situation in the Middle East.
00:51You have expressed hope that work on a two-state solution can begin soon
00:57and it shouldn't be a mere slogan.
01:00Now, today, are you more hopeful or less hopeful about this?
01:05It's clear that the ceasefire has opened a window of hope.
01:10We all saw the hostages back in Israel embracing their beloved one.
01:16But we also saw, as well, millions of Palestinians going back
01:24and in a sea of rubble, without home, without nothing, by the way.
01:32And so, the urgency is now to alleviate the suffering,
01:37to recover and to provide humanitarian aid.
01:41And that's exactly what we are doing.
01:44This is the second phase of the humanitarian agreement.
01:50The Israeli authorities agreed to let 600 trucks per day to enter into Gaza,
01:58but we are not there yet.
01:59And so, we asked the Israeli authorities to keep their promises.
02:06The winter is coming.
02:08The situation is dramatic with population, which is starving, children and women,
02:17to the breach of the famine.
02:19There is a famine and we want to avoid this famine to spread.
02:23What can you do as European Union, as European Commission, as EU,
02:28to, you know, accelerate that process?
02:30To put the pressure and, you know, that we proposed as a commission
02:36to lift partially the association agreement.
02:40This is a tool that we have, it's a leverage.
02:43And that's why we decided, the previous Foreign Affairs Council,
02:48to let this tool on the table to say,
02:52look, the Israelis are, the government is our first partner.
02:58We are their first trade partners.
03:01And we are the first global humanitarian donor of the Palestinian authorities.
03:08So, with this balanced approach,
03:11we need also to be sure that all rules or principles are respected.
03:17And you certainly heard about the Article 2 of the Association Agreement,
03:23who asked our partner to respect human rights.
03:27Now, you have been very critical towards Israel already
03:31when you were Belgian Foreign Minister.
03:33I'm not critical.
03:34I'm balanced and just.
03:37Okay.
03:37But you advocated a stronger European stance.
03:40On the other side, Benjamin Netanyahu has said on this program
03:45that Europe has become irrelevant
03:47and that some European countries' positions amounts to supporting Hamas.
03:53How do we go from here?
03:55How can we improve relations with Israel?
03:58You know, I don't like to speak about improving our relations with Israel.
04:04Well, it's about improving the humanitarian law,
04:10the international humanitarian law,
04:12and to remind that there are rules to be respected,
04:17conventions, Geneva Convention,
04:19that asks that every state that is occupying a territory
04:25to be sure that the population received basic help, aid.
04:33And we are there to provide this aid.
04:36We have tons, tons of goods waiting at the border,
04:42at the Rafa crossing.
04:43And I repeat that part of the agreement
04:46is also the delivering of humanitarian aid.
04:50We want to see waves of trucks entering into Gaza.
04:54So we are in a sea of destruction.
04:59Ninety percent of the buildings are completely destroyed.
05:05It gives you a glimpse of what is at stake.
05:08Let me go back to Netanyahu's remark that Europe is irrelevant.
05:14Did he have a point here?
05:16Where do you see Europe's footprint in the diplomacy,
05:20the ongoing diplomacy?
05:21We have been involved in the region as an honest broker for decades.
05:27For Israel, we are the first economic partners.
05:31For Palestinians, we are the first global donor, humanitarian donor.
05:36But also, we are supporting the improvement,
05:39the reform of the governance of the Palestinian authorities.
05:43And it is in the interest of the Palestinians,
05:46but also in the interest of the Israelis,
05:49to have a strong, robust governance,
05:54a Palestinian authority who is recognized,
05:56who is democratic.
05:57And we are helping them to reform.
05:59And we are ready to play our role,
06:03be it by UBAM,
06:06the EU border mission of assistance,
06:10by also training with the policemen,
06:14with UCOPs.
06:15We have a lot of programs.
06:17But we need good faith from both sides.
06:21And we are talking with all parties.
06:24And another thing is that,
06:26you know, within our European Union,
06:28we have a diversity of opinions,
06:30of histories.
06:31That is a very friendly description.
06:33Yes, this is a friendly description.
06:36But also it shows that, you know,
06:38from us emerge a compromise,
06:42which is also the right balance
06:45between those who feel close
06:48to the Israeli governments and the others.
06:51On this point,
06:52and you were just saying that Europe speaks to everybody,
06:54I think eventually it boils down to the question,
06:59will Hamas disarm
07:01and move the ceasefire agreement forward?
07:05Do you see this happening?
07:08I mean, the whole thing,
07:09it looks pretty fragile right now.
07:13But will they do that?
07:14And if they don't want to do that,
07:16can Europe put the pressure on Hamas?
07:19Hamas is not an interlocutor for us.
07:23It's a terrorist group.
07:25The plan is clear.
07:28We need to see Hamas disarmed
07:31and not being part of the two-state solution.
07:35We don't want the extremists on board,
07:38from both sides, I have to say.
07:40And it was also clear when we organized,
07:43I was then Minister of Foreign Affairs
07:45the day after a conference
07:47with the Arab countries,
07:50with Saudi Arabia.
07:51And it was also on the table
07:52when France, with the EU,
07:56organized the conference
07:57that leads to the recognition
07:59of the Palestinian states
08:01from many member states within the EU.
08:05And for us it's clear,
08:07Hamas is not part of the future.
08:09And how do you bring them
08:10to put the arms down?
08:12Because this is the...
08:13With our commitment,
08:15with our help,
08:17with our diplomatic pressure,
08:20and also our dialogue,
08:22our constant dialogue
08:23with the Arab countries.
08:26Yeah.
08:27One more question
08:28concerning the reconstruction of Gaza.
08:31You've said how the situation is.
08:34And this is typically
08:35a situation where Europe is very strong,
08:39helping with money,
08:41with expertise,
08:43humanitarian aid, etc.
08:46Now, some observers suggest
08:48that Europe may lose this spot
08:51because the Gulf states
08:54are more and more active
08:55diplomatically, financially, economically.
08:59Do you see this potentially happening,
09:02that Europe is further pushed
09:04to the sidelines here,
09:05to the benefit of the Gulf states?
09:08I don't think so.
09:10I'm rather convinced to the contrary.
09:13We are sitting at the table.
09:15We have our place
09:16as an honest broker,
09:18speaking with all parties,
09:19with the Gulf countries,
09:21but also with the Americans,
09:22with the Israelis.
09:24And we have this expertise.
09:27We are supporting...
09:28We are the first humanitarian donor,
09:30but also in cooperation,
09:32in development,
09:32we are really involved.
09:34And we are supporting
09:35also the Palestinian authority
09:39to reform,
09:41to become democratic countries,
09:44to organize in a near future,
09:45we hope,
09:46also universal elections and so on,
09:50and to regain also the trust
09:53of their own citizens.
09:55Let me pivot now
09:58to the war in Ukraine,
10:00if I may.
10:01I said at the beginning
10:02you are also in charge
10:03of civil preparedness.
10:06In a different sense,
10:08is the European public
10:09prepared to support Ukraine
10:12as long as it takes?
10:15This is our motto.
10:17You know,
10:18when I was Minister of Foreign Affairs,
10:20I remember,
10:21we were always repeating
10:22that we will support Ukraine
10:25as long as it takes.
10:27And we are doing so,
10:29and we will continue to do so.
10:31I've traveled a lot,
10:33many times,
10:34in Ukraine.
10:35And, for instance,
10:37they are also leading by example
10:40when it comes to preparedness.
10:42And, you know,
10:44through our ecosystem,
10:46DGECO,
10:47which is under my remits,
10:48this is the largest operation
10:51ever,
10:52led by our services,
10:55transporting more than
10:57150,000 items,
11:00mainly generators,
11:03to help Ukraine,
11:05a country which is targeted
11:07in its civilian infrastructures
11:10in blatant violation
11:12of international humanitarian law,
11:14again.
11:15Can you talk to very concrete aspects
11:17of EU humanitarian aid?
11:20And is it,
11:22is the situation possible,
11:24conceivable,
11:24that Europe would take in
11:26more refugees
11:27if the situation
11:29on the ground requires it?
11:31We already welcomed
11:33millions of refugees
11:36with a specific status,
11:38allowing them to work
11:39and to be really fully integrated
11:42in our societies.
11:44And it was,
11:45it is a success.
11:47Now,
11:48when it comes to our concrete support,
11:50you know,
11:51when I was traveling there
11:53the last winter,
11:55I remember visiting schools,
11:58building in a shelter,
12:00you know,
12:00it's the only way
12:01to ensure education
12:05for Ukrainian children,
12:07but also protection
12:08of the elderly
12:09and the people
12:11with disabilities.
12:12As you mentioned,
12:13I'm also responsible
12:14for equality
12:15and to ensure
12:16that we are not
12:17leaving no one behind,
12:20and especially
12:21the most fragile
12:22in Ukraine.
12:23The last EU summit
12:24just signed off
12:25on the 19 sanctions package
12:28against Russia
12:29and continue to stand
12:31with Ukraine.
12:32At the same time,
12:33the question of frozen assets,
12:36the loan for Ukraine,
12:38has been kicked down the road
12:41into the next month.
12:43What message does this send
12:45to Ukraine
12:47and to Ukrainians?
12:48And Belgium played
12:50an active role here
12:52in this,
12:52blocking the loan for now.
12:54We are not blocking the loans
12:55and for two years now
12:59we are also giving
13:02to Ukrainians
13:03the profits,
13:06the interest
13:07of these loans
13:09that are blocked
13:10and that are frozen.
13:12But these loans,
13:13you know,
13:13need to be,
13:14it's the first
13:15in our history.
13:17We don't have
13:18an example to follow
13:20and it needs to be
13:22secured
13:23in a legal point of view.
13:25That's the only thing,
13:26that's the only point.
13:28And the message
13:30that we are conveying
13:33to the Ukrainians
13:34is that we are
13:35by your side,
13:37always.
13:38We will help you
13:39to defend your borders
13:41because your borders
13:42is our borders
13:43and we don't want
13:44to see further
13:46the Russians
13:47graphing territories,
13:50Ukrainian territories.
13:51We are well aware
13:52and we are constantly
13:53repeating that
13:54their security
13:55is our security.
13:57So we are with them,
13:59we are going to
14:00also reinforce
14:01our own security
14:03but we just need
14:06to time.
14:07I think it's a question
14:09of time.
14:10On that point,
14:11we've seen
14:12Russian hybrid attacks
14:13on Europe as well,
14:16cyber attacks,
14:17drone incursions
14:18and other operations.
14:20Does Europe take
14:21this hybrid war
14:22seriously enough?
14:24Very seriously
14:25and that's why
14:26a couple of months ago
14:27I presented
14:28the preparedness
14:29strategy
14:30which is based
14:31on all hazards,
14:34all kinds of threats
14:35because today's threats
14:36are not yesterday's threats.
14:38Yesterday it was mainly
14:39wildfires,
14:41floods,
14:42natural disasters
14:43but today
14:44we see drones
14:45violating our airspace.
14:49It happened even here
14:50in Belgium,
14:52in other,
14:53in Denmark,
14:54in Poland,
14:55in Estonia
14:56and we saw
14:58the hybrid threats,
15:01misinformation,
15:02disinformation campaign
15:03during the Moldovan elections
15:05with 14 million
15:08attempts
15:10to disturb
15:12and cyber attacks
15:14to influence
15:15the results
15:16of the election.
15:17Fortunately,
15:19it was unsuccessful
15:20but it means
15:22that we are facing
15:23a multiplication
15:25of threats.
15:26So,
15:27in short,
15:29is Europe
15:30ready for war?
15:31We are preparing.
15:33We are prepared
15:34every day
15:34for everything.
15:36Okay.
15:38And let me go back
15:39to the Belgian position
15:40on the frozen assets.
15:42I want to explain,
15:43I know that you are
15:44skeptical.
15:45I saw your face.
15:46I just want to explain to you,
15:48war is not,
15:49you know,
15:49a char
15:49or a soldier
15:50knocking at your door
15:51saying,
15:52oh,
15:52look,
15:53I'm going to invade you.
15:54No,
15:55it is not a reality.
15:56Today's reality
15:57is a virus,
15:59a chemical attack,
16:01a nuclear incident
16:02that is maybe provoked
16:04by power outages.
16:08You know,
16:08all these things
16:09are very subtile.
16:11so we need to have
16:13a good understanding
16:14of today's threat.
16:15Now,
16:15on Belgium
16:16and the frozen assets,
16:17I want to come back
16:18to this.
16:20What message
16:21does the Belgian position
16:23send to the Ukrainians
16:24right now?
16:25The fact is that
16:26Euroclear
16:27is based in Belgium.
16:29It's an international platform
16:31and the message is clear.
16:35We are with the Ukrainians
16:38and we will support them
16:40in their efforts of war.
16:42But we need time.
16:44We need to secure
16:45the legal aspect
16:47to be sure
16:49that Belgium
16:50is not going to be brought
16:52in front of a court
16:54of justice later on.
16:56That's it.
16:57So the Belgian prime minister
16:59has repeatedly said
17:00he fears a retribution
17:02from Russia,
17:03legal problems.
17:06How serious is that,
17:08especially in a context
17:09of war?
17:11And are the others
17:12immune to that argument?
17:15Why is there still
17:17no agreement on this?
17:18Why is this so difficult
17:19to sort of spread the risk?
17:22Because it is
17:23it is a first
17:25in our history
17:28that we are going
17:30to take the assets
17:32that are blocked
17:33following an invasion,
17:36a war,
17:37an unfair one.
17:38And so it is
17:40we don't have examples
17:42to follow
17:43and it needs to be secured
17:45legally.
17:47That's it.
17:48I'm going to ask you
17:48one last question.
17:50I want to bring up
17:52a very particular threat
17:53to our societies
17:55and I know
17:55that you are very concerned
17:57about that
17:58and that is
17:59regression,
18:01intolerance
18:02and the demonization
18:03of dissenters.
18:06Racism,
18:07anti-Semitism
18:08and sexism
18:08are on the rise.
18:10You are in charge
18:11of equality
18:11and inclusion.
18:13How do you promote
18:14this these days?
18:16With good sense.
18:17I like figures
18:21and obviously
18:24equality
18:25is also
18:26in the interest
18:27of our economies,
18:29of our competitiveness.
18:31We need to have
18:32all the skills,
18:34the potential skills
18:36on board.
18:37If we decide
18:37that half of the humanity,
18:39women for instance,
18:40cannot
18:41have a complete
18:45and full
18:46career
18:49to deploy
18:50all their talents
18:51that are
18:52reframed
18:54with
18:55kids,
18:57with
18:58you know,
18:59culture
19:00impediment
19:02and also
19:02that we
19:03don't accept
19:04the LGBTIQ plus people
19:06and so on.
19:07This is
19:08an attempt
19:09also to our competitiveness.
19:11This is
19:11refraining ourselves.
19:13And,
19:13you know,
19:15violence
19:15has a cost.
19:17It costs
19:18290 billion
19:21a year
19:22for the entire
19:23European Union.
19:25We all pay
19:26the price
19:26of this violence.
19:27Exclusion
19:28has also
19:29a price.
19:30This is
19:30390 billion
19:32a year.
19:33So,
19:33if we want
19:34to spare money
19:36in this
19:36period
19:37of financial
19:38crisis,
19:40we need
19:40also
19:41to fight
19:42against
19:42exclusion,
19:44discrimination
19:44and to have
19:46all the skills
19:46on board.
19:49All right.
19:49EU Commissioner
19:50Hadj Al-Abib.
19:51Fascinating
19:52conversation.
19:52Thank you so much
19:53for coming on the show.
19:54Thank you.
19:55and
20:08to
20:09thank you.
20:09Support
20:10for
20:11your
20:11opportunity
20:12to
20:13argue
20:13and
20:13praise
20:13you
20:14and
20:14że
20:15to
20:15to
20:15to
20:16okay
20:17and
20:17to
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