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00:00.
00:22A hell of a surprise when you're out walking
00:24and you find a dead body.
00:27There is a deceased with a bag, duct tape,
00:30rope, and wire ties on the body.
00:33We decided to tow the vehicle with the body in it.
00:37If they open up that door, they're gonna lose trace
00:40physical evidence that's there.
00:42Witnesses saw a man partially restrained
00:46running for his life.
00:48He's running through this trailer park helpless,
00:50probably yelling.
00:51Someone is chasing after him.
00:54He said, I'm gonna rape and kill your sister.
00:57You can blow up your trailer.
00:59To overpower him, that screams two people to me.
01:03Who could be that devious to do something like this?
01:07How'd this happen?
01:09Richard was a very gentle soul.
01:11He was loved by all.
01:13This isn't something that happens to normal families.
01:16One of the oldest motives in the world is money,
01:19and $500,000 is a powerful motive.
01:23It blows my mind trying to figure out what happened.
01:25This was so evil.
01:27Every crime scene tells a story.
01:29As a death investigator, I rely on the crime scene
01:31to speak for the victim.
01:33And if it's disturbed, whether by bystanders, weather, or even carelessness, we risk losing the victim's voice.
01:39I came across a 2002 case out of Las Vegas that shows just how critical scene preservation is to solving a case.
01:49Detective Hardy.
01:51Hello, Barbara.
01:52Ken Hardy.
01:53Hello, Barbara.
01:54Ken Hardy.
01:55Great to meet you.
01:56Nice to meet you.
01:57I've heard so much about you.
01:58And I know a lot about you, too.
01:59So thank you so much for sharing your case with me.
02:02Meeting with Detective Ken Hardy, out on Las Vegas Boulevard, a well-experienced detective with a wealth of knowledge.
02:12I never saw this part of Vegas.
02:13No.
02:14Tell me about you.
02:15We are on the very north part of Las Vegas.
02:17If you were to follow the south, you would be on this trip.
02:22But this area is very tough.
02:23So tell me about that church.
02:24How'd you come of a true death eruption?
02:25We were in the Florida East, and there's some
02:42so tell me about that day what you found I mean we're right here at the spot we
02:48are right here actually where your vehicle is is where we had found the car
02:53that morning on January 31st
02:57the trailer park is right behind you next to the car lot yeah and the residents were going to the
03:17convenience store that's down there
03:27she stated that she was walking with her friend they were walking north towards me this way and
03:44as they looked over that's when they saw the body in the car a hell of a surprise when you're out
03:50walking and you find a dead body on arrival police immediately meet with the 911 callers
03:59Kimberly Echols and James Walsh who as it turns out both live in the trailer park next to where the
04:06car was discovered so when I walk up to the vehicle all four of the doors were unlocked and there were
04:15no broken windows you could see through the windows a male the deceased is in the front passenger seat
04:24with a bag over his head eye slits cut out duct tape around their neck a rope around their neck there
04:33are some sort of plastic zip ties around them not just the wrists but around the ankles this looks
04:41like it's a homicide we decided to tow the vehicle with the body in it to the crime lab yeah so now
04:50you want to have a pristine scene no extraneous contamination of evidence no gravel dust or anything
04:57else from the outside we want more controlled environment the day that Ken Hardy responded to
05:04this scene it's very windy wind why would that be a problem well it carries dust it carries microbes
05:11I don't need any extraneous material coming in to contaminate our evidence because we have these
05:18strong northwesterly winds that are whipping through the crime scene they feel if they open up that door
05:25they're gonna lose trace physical evidence that's there so the doors were not open the windows were not
05:31open the car was towed in its entirety just as it was found to the police forensics lab where they look
05:39for evidence in a controlled environment registered owner of that vehicle is identified as a 36 year old
05:47who lives in Las Vegas named Richard Carnot he had no criminal history but had been reported missing in
05:58the previous hours by his wife Suzanne the police delivered this terrible news to Suzanne face-to-face
06:07understandably Suzanne was hysterical love of her life had been violently murdered and the life he knew was no longer
06:17she said the day prior he'd left to go to work as he would every morning working as a lighting technician for one of the casinos by five o'clock in the morning his boss had called Suzanne asking where Richard was Suzanne was concerned and it started calling him
06:47in jail and he went to jail jail and things like that to try to find out what had happened to Richard eventually she went to the police
06:56Suzanne relayed to them that Richard was a great husband a great father and she couldn't think of anyone who would have it out for him
07:02investigators leave Suzanne to process her grief for now of course you continue to run your
07:12investigation in this case that was finding out more about Richard from those who were close to him
07:17I get a phone call that they found Richard dead which was I'm driving I'm like oh I had to pull over
07:29so I um I pull over I immediately start making phone calls you know what's going on I'm like how'd this happen
07:45my mom called me and said she was just sobbing and so they found Richard's body and um it was like my legs
07:58were noodles and I just like I like collapsed because this isn't something that happens to normal families
08:05this is something you see on TV but not to our family and not to such a great kid Richard was my little
08:12brother we grew up in Southern California Richard wasn't the bratty younger brother he was just a nice kid
08:21Richard had his cheerfulness you saw it in his smile and I mean everybody just loved him after my
08:30parents divorce my dad moved to Vegas for a job and when my brother was an adult he followed him here for
08:38a job Richard and I were co-workers at Caesars Palace for 10 plus years he was my best friend Richard was a
08:47very gentle soul he was loved by all he had a awesome smile about him he was always happy even when he
08:55was in a bad mood he was a very loyal person and people would gravitate to him just because of that
09:01Suzanne and Richard met four years ago at a whirlwind courtship and they married Richard and Suzanne had a
09:12blended family each came to the relationship with the children from prior relationships Richard was
09:18happy I mean he's living the life of the American dream a woman by his side kids by his side he was an
09:25amazing dad he loved his kids while family and friends search for answers Richard's car arrives at the
09:37crime lab so you begin your investigation in the police garage under you know good conditions nice and
09:46clean a car is a very good environment for a death investigation if the windows are all rolled up we
09:54have a nearly pristine death scene with no extraneous material within the car starting inside that car
10:01that's your crime scene we're gonna process for anything that we believe that the suspect came in
10:07contact with the plastic bag is a great item of evidence for DNA and fingerprints and so we collect
10:14that and send that to the lab for them to test the victim is still in the seat well crime scene is doing
10:20everything so he's laying to his left like slumped over and there's some marks on his face there are
10:27some scratch marks on the right side of his neck at what point do you take the body out of the car
10:33after crime scene processes the vehicle without disturbing anything Morgan tenants carry him to a sterile
10:41body bag and there we can get a closer look at the body of this man when victim was removed from the
10:49vehicle we still didn't know what killed him there was no breakage of the skull there was no fractured
10:57bones there was no gunshot wounds there was no stab wounds he wasn't bleeding they don't find any
11:05external wounds on the victim other than red marks on the sides of his neck and they see petechial
11:12hemorrhages in the sclera the whites of the eyes which means that the blood supply was blocked this is
11:20characteristic of strangulation strangulation of any kind is a really person that suggests that his killer
11:32knew him and had some personal relationship it kind of fueled the mystery how would this upstanding
11:44citizen end up in this sick situation strangled in that neighborhood it seemed like this could be
11:51several things is this really a homicide now I've seen cases where suicides would bind themselves as
11:59as they died the other possibility autoerotic sex play people would cover their heads wear latex do
12:07all kinds of things did he have a secret life was he up to something that no one else knew about
12:14nothing made sense Richard was a very reliable person he never got into trouble he just wouldn't
12:25have been into anything weird like that or going to buy drugs so how such a good guy end up on the wrong
12:34side of town a victim of a homicide with no leads to go on law enforcement returned to the person who knew
12:44Richard Best his wife everyone's a suspect until they're ruled out so of course if you have a spouse you would want to look into that
12:55he is terrified he is being chased he had duct tape around his ankles duct tape around his wrist he was yelling for
13:07help he's alive but he's bound and shockingly no one called the police they see a whole bunch of emails
13:18back and forth between them it becomes clear that this is code talk for the murder of Richard
13:25on January 31st 2002 Richard Carno was found murdered and left in his car on the side of the road in Las Vegas
13:4012 hours after discovering Richard's body detectives returned to interview his wife Suzanne meanwhile she
13:49holds an impromptu press conference with the media gathered outside her front door somebody has to see
13:57something somebody has to know something she wanted to know who had done this and why they had done this
14:04Suzanne seems to be showing the world that she's distraught I couldn't sleep it was very dramatic
14:15like overly dramatic because we always touch your feet at night and perhaps she's doing that because
14:22she's not distraught at all I couldn't find his feet in the bed police are starting to wonder about the
14:29relationship between Suzanne and Richard after interviewing Suzanne investigators reach out to
14:37Richard's loved ones they got to dig deeper into finding out about the relationship between husband and
14:43wife before Suzanne Richard was married very briefly they had a son the relationship didn't work out and
14:53they split up Richard ended up taking his son to a daycare where he had met a lady that was really
15:01good at working with Richard's son he said glowing things about Suzanne and how wonderful she was and a
15:10relationship seemed to develop fairly quickly it was total total passion for each other I mean they were
15:19two kids in love so to speak at some point he said that he and Suzanne were gonna get married I was best man at
15:28his wedding shortly after they get married Richard and Suzanne adopted a little baby and he loved his blended
15:36family Richard talked about how excited that they were to expand their family and he seemed happy he never
15:44shared anything concerning about Suzanne friends can't imagine that she'd kill him with no evidence that
15:57Suzanne's involved police do keep her on their radar but at the same time they cast a wider net to find out
16:04about Richard's possible connection to that trailer park
16:11at this point we did a canvas of the trailer park near where the vehicle was found we were knocking on doors trying to
16:21talk to anybody that would have seen something in the course of their investigation they find out something bizarre
16:29they came across more than one witness who had a very disturbing account to share in the hours prior to
16:38the homicide witnesses recounted seeing a man partially restrained running through the mobile home park he had
16:47duct tape around his ankles duct tape around his wrist it looked like he was running for his life he is
16:55terrified he is being chased by a man but now the question is who is this man at that point we're
17:05believing that that was Richard Carno so we took photographs around the trailer park witnesses confirmed it
17:14was Richard Carno so he's running through this trailer park helpless probably yelling right he's running to try
17:24to get away and the man is chasing after him he was yelling for help eventually the man caught up with Richard the other man restrained him with handcuffs and led him back in the direction he came
17:43the neighbors were not able to identify the man who chased Richard and shockingly no one called the police
17:50the neighbors were not able to identify the man who chased Richard and shockingly no one called the police
17:56this is a rough area town it's not uncommon for people not to call the police they're afraid that they'll be retaliated against if they say something
18:05police continue knocking on doors and talking to people and a woman in the trailer park reported that on the day before the discovery of the murder she saw a vehicle that didn't belong there
18:24and it's the same green escort where the murder victim is found she complained to the manager a man came out and he tried to settle her down and say I'll move the car and he said his name was John Brian Ray
18:43obviously the car is significant because it's the victim's car he's found in it in the passenger seat
18:50somebody else was driving it so they start to ask residents of the trailer park about John Ray
18:58what they learned about John Ray was he was not a good guy
19:02John Brian Ray was 36 years old kind of a drifter surfing couches at the trailer park
19:09people in the trailer park said he's very intimidating he had a criminal history for assault and had been linked to drugs and people who knew him uniformly described him as kind of a thug a tough guy who was living on the margins of society
19:28they find out from people in the trailer park John Ray is a dangerous scary kind of guy
19:35there's something about John Ray that neighbors fear so far the police have been unable to connect Richard Carno to this trailer park or anybody that lives there regularly so why was this John Brian Ray character driving Richard Carno's car
19:54what's his connection to Richard well it turns out there's a significant one John Ray was Suzanne's brother
20:04four days after Richard Carno was found dead in his car police discover an explosive new lead
20:21one of the individuals who was near the car in the mobile home park was the victim's brother-in-law
20:30that would seem like more than just a coincidence
20:35so naturally with this lead about John Ray the police go to Suzanne and say we understand your brother is John Brian Ray
20:47Suzanne tells police her brother didn't like Richard and never did
20:54I'm not sure why if Richard had done something to offend him that would be odd because everybody liked Richard
21:01he never ever ever spoke ill of her family ever her parents were very prominent here in town they were lawyers her family like them they accepted him as a son-in-law but her brother was the black sheep of the family not the pillar of our community
21:21according to Suzanne her brother didn't like Richard for kind of strange reasons from the brother's perspective Richard wasn't manly enough because Richard did household chores for some reason to John Ray was a sign of weakness
21:40this new information explains the dehumanizing way Richard is found the bag over his head the slits on the ice the way he was just thrown on the side of the road it speaks to a deep hatred but even more disdain
21:55so investigators in this case started looking at the physical evidence related to John Brian Ray
22:02so let's talk evidence the stuff crime scene found and removed what showed up on that they found fibers and hairs nothing that would indicate that John Ray was inside the vehicle
22:22and you had bagged the hands which of course during autopsy we're going to scrape under the nails to get biological evidence you know when people fight back
22:29yes and DNA anything there nothing to conclusively say John way
22:37Ken and his squad look for John Ray at the trailer park they find out from people in the trailer park that John Ray stays at the trailer of a man named James Walsh
22:56named James Walsh.
22:59This kind of piqued the interest of detectives
23:02because James Walsh was one of the individuals
23:06who discovered the body.
23:07I think I found a dead body.
23:09OK, where are you?
23:10I am in Comstock Trailer Park.
23:13So police started to probe further into James Walsh.
23:20Police learned John Ray would occasionally
23:23visit James Walsh's trailer, and the allegation
23:27was that they did drugs together, smoked methamphetamine.
23:32We knew that John Ray was the main suspect at this point,
23:37but we did not know whether James Walsh was involved in this.
23:42So now police, they immediately go to interview him.
23:47James Walsh tells police, I do know this John Ray.
23:52He says that Ray and Walsh's father actually worked together,
23:57and that Ray would sometimes come and stay in the trailer.
24:01When detectives talked to James Walsh about the chase,
24:06he appeared nervous.
24:08And now he starts talking, and he says,
24:12the day before the body is discovered,
24:14John Brian Ray arrives at James Walsh's trailer
24:18in that light green Ford Escort.
24:21He grabs a blanket, and he puts that over the Escort.
24:26And at some point, it slips.
24:28And that's when Walsh is able to see there's somebody
24:31in the passenger seat.
24:35He's alive, but he's bound.
24:38And this is obviously very frightening, very disturbing.
24:41And he asked, you know, who is this person?
24:45John told him that it's my brother-in-law, Richard Carno.
24:50And Ray is very adamant that Walsh
24:57is not to say anything to anybody.
25:00And he got real specific.
25:02He said, I'm gonna rape and kill your sister
25:04and blow up your trailer.
25:07There's not gonna be a word said about this.
25:12Walsh says, I was just too scared
25:14to tell the police about the threats.
25:18I think the lead detectives on the case
25:21thought that James Walsh may have been more involved
25:26than what he was saying.
25:29To overpower Richard Carno
25:31and get him tied up with zip ties,
25:34I mean, how does that work?
25:35That screams two people to me.
25:40Police don't rule out James Walsh as a suspect.
25:43They take his fingerprints
25:45to compare to those found at the scene.
25:52But for police, at this point,
25:54the obvious number one suspect is John Ray.
25:58So, of course, police are anxious
26:00to get their hands on John Ray.
26:03And they are ultimately able to locate him.
26:07As John Ray is arrested,
26:09the lab results from the plastic bag
26:11found over Richard's head come in.
26:14They find a latent print on that bag
26:16and now run it through the system.
26:20When they ran that fingerprint,
26:22they made a very shocking discovery.
26:25The fingerprint doesn't come back to John Ray.
26:29It comes back to James Walsh.
26:40I'm currently in Las Vegas
26:41looking at the homicide case of Richard Carno.
26:44At this point in the investigation,
26:46detectives have just arrested their prime suspect,
26:50John Ray,
26:52and have now discovered a possible accomplice,
26:54James Walsh.
26:55James Walsh.
27:00So, on the black plastic bag,
27:04there was a fingerprint that was recovered,
27:07and that fingerprint came back to a James Walsh.
27:12All right.
27:13So, possible accomplice in there.
27:14There was a roll of black bags from inside James Walsh's trailer,
27:23similar to the one found on the victim.
27:28And that's how he explains his print being on there.
27:31Yeah.
27:33So, it makes sense that his fingerprint was found on that bag
27:36because John Ray could have taken that bag from the roll.
27:40But this information is enough to shake up James Walsh,
27:44who, as it turns out,
27:45knows a lot more than he initially let on.
27:49He proceeded to tell them a rather remarkable account.
27:52On a prior occasion,
27:54John Ray was at James Walsh's trailer,
27:58and John Ray just blurts out,
28:02hey, I'm gonna do a murder for hire.
28:05I'm gonna get paid $50,000.
28:10John Ray said that his sister, Suzanne,
28:14was paying him to kill Richard.
28:17So, Suzanne Carno allegedly masterminded the killing of her husband,
28:24according to our prime suspect, her brother John Ray.
28:30So now, for Suzanne, what we're starting to see
28:34is that this image may not be the real Suzanne.
28:38Her relationship to Richard,
28:40her true feelings towards him,
28:43may not be what she's showing the world.
28:47Now, police are suspicious of her.
28:52They find out in the weeks after the Richard's murder,
28:55Suzanne's behavior had caught the attention
28:58of his friends and family.
29:01When we came out here for the funeral,
29:04my sister and I went over to Suzanne's house,
29:06and we wanted to check on the kids.
29:09Suzanne's behavior was very strange.
29:13Her tone of voice, her body language,
29:17she would say the same things over and over,
29:19almost as if they were practiced.
29:21There was nothing about her that I felt was genuine.
29:25And then, at the funeral, she did some weird things.
29:34There was an open casket.
29:36Richard and Suzanne had adopted this baby,
29:38and so Suzanne took the baby,
29:40and she put him on Richard's chest.
29:43And everybody sitting in the chairs at the viewing
29:48were looking at each other like,
29:50this is, this is crazy.
29:53It was just unbelievable.
29:56I'm looking at her going, are you doing this?
29:59She was just behaving in ways that didn't seem
30:02like a normal grieving widow.
30:04I don't know that there's a playbook
30:05on what they should all look like,
30:07but it was strange.
30:12Suzanne Carno was now falling under a cloud of suspicion.
30:17Why would Richard's seemingly loving wife
30:20of three years want him dead?
30:22Investigators dig deeper into Suzanne's relationship
30:25with Richard.
30:27One of the very critical facts that came out was that
30:36the couple was in very deep financial debt.
30:39Suzanne Carno had racked up tens of thousands of dollars
30:43of debt on her credit cards.
30:45After they were married, Suzanne no longer worked.
30:49So Richard started working overtime to cover debt.
30:53And then Suzanne wanted another kid,
30:57and they went heavy in debt trying to adopt a child.
31:01That was weighing heavier on Richard.
31:04They were at that level of sinking in debt,
31:07and Suzanne was taking control of his life
31:10and making his decisions for him,
31:13and it started making him unhappy.
31:16He had even talked about getting divorced.
31:19So this is very important information.
31:24Could this crime be financially motivated?
31:29Now, something you want to look at
31:31is the digital evidence from the suspect.
31:34They get a warrant for Suzanne's phone
31:37and for her computer,
31:38and oddly enough, they don't see anything.
31:42She's completely clean.
31:44But her dumb, dumb brother didn't do the same thing.
31:48They look on John's computer,
31:50and they see a whole bunch of emails
31:52back and forth between him and his sister
31:54about some bookcase that he was going to build for $50.
31:57But it becomes clear to the investigators
31:59that it's not about the bookcase.
32:01This is code talk for the murder of Richard.
32:05The bookcase equals the murder of Richard,
32:08and $50 was actually $50,000 she was going to pay him.
32:12The police started digging further,
32:14and very surprised to find out
32:15that Richard and Suzanne had taken out
32:18$500,000 in life insurance policies
32:21not too long before his death.
32:23So the motive to kill Richard,
32:27it was about money.
32:29As the investigation into the murder of Richard Carno heats up,
32:47police uncover a bombshell piece of information.
32:50The victim's wife, Suzanne,
32:52well, she stood to inherit $500,000 in life insurance
32:57if Richard was dead.
32:59One of the oldest motives in the world is money,
33:02and Suzanne stands to gain a half a million dollars,
33:06huge money for someone that's in debt,
33:09and whose brother has said he was going to get $50,000
33:13to do the hit.
33:17So after building a solid case against her,
33:20investigators arrest and charge Suzanne Carno
33:24with the murder of her husband Richard.
33:29I was driving, and I got a phone call from a friend,
33:32and he goes, Suzanne is a suspect.
33:35I go, what?
33:37I mean, I had to pull over again and digest that.
33:40Oh.
33:45Sorry.
33:50So I just stopped,
33:54and then I just stood back and watched it all unfold.
33:58You can't help but conclude
34:00that this is a psychopathic behavior of violence for money,
34:06and you have a very dangerous individual on your hands.
34:09We knew that something was strange about her,
34:12but what you never think at the time is that she could be that devious
34:18to do something like this.
34:20With John Ray and Suzanne Carno under arrest,
34:24police turned their attention back to the one person
34:27who may have been an accomplice, James Walsh.
34:31So naturally, the police have not forgotten about the bag over Richard's head
34:38with James Walsh's fingerprint on it.
34:40Walsh tells police that Ray asked him for a bag,
34:44and Walsh gave it to him.
34:46Whether he knew what the purpose of that bag was,
34:50maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
34:52Ultimately, there was not enough evidence to charge James Walsh
34:57as being involved with the murder.
35:01Police conclude that James Walsh was likely a witness
35:06who should have done something but didn't,
35:08and that John Ray was the person who orchestrated this
35:11and carried it out.
35:13And the police also recognized that James Walsh
35:16would be a very important witness.
35:18If they could get him to testify,
35:20John Ray would be in big trouble.
35:22A year after the murder, John Ray and Suzanne were on trial.
35:32This was such a big story in Vegas at the time,
35:36and so there were TV cameras all over,
35:39and it was definitely very surreal.
35:43In this case, we have two defendants.
35:46The cases were tried together in a single trial
35:49instead of separately.
35:51And the brother and sister bond
35:53didn't survive the trial process
35:55because both were trying to implicate the other.
35:58Each of their defense attorneys
36:00was trying to point fingers at the other one
36:04so that there would be some sort of reasonable doubt,
36:07where the district attorney was saying,
36:10it's both of them.
36:12They were making that case for conspiracy.
36:14James Walsh becomes a key witness
36:17to help the jury understand the story
36:20of how it was that Richard came to be murdered.
36:26The theory is that Richard Carno had gone to work
36:30early the morning on January 30th
36:33and is abducted by John Ray in his vehicle.
36:39We have no idea how Richard would have been overtaken
36:43by John Ray unless he had some sort of a weapon
36:46that he was threatened with
36:48and ultimately held him hostage for 18 hours until he was killed
36:55and left in the vehicle on Las Vegas Boulevard.
37:00I covered the trial, and one of the takeaways that I had
37:06was how completely emotionless and stoic John Ray was.
37:11He just came across as a very cold-hearted person.
37:14And then there was Suzanne Carno, who was the exact opposite,
37:19a drama queen.
37:21You watch these things as a family member,
37:23and even though John Brian Ray is the one
37:26who actually committed the murder,
37:28I felt more betrayed by her.
37:31I sat in the courtroom in disbelief.
37:34I can't believe that it even happened.
37:37This case is one of the tough cases that go to trial.
37:41And in a case like this,
37:43there's a lot of circumstantial evidence.
37:45Now, it's a myth that you can't convict
37:47with circumstantial evidence.
37:48You can.
37:50But the jury has to be convinced
37:53beyond a reasonable doubt.
37:56So the jury deliberated for a short time.
38:00When we get noticed that the jury has come back,
38:04after everything we'd seen in the courtroom
38:07and what everybody knew had happened,
38:10we were terrified.
38:11We wouldn't have our brother.
38:13She'd get the money,
38:14and she would get away with it.
38:23As John Ray and Suzanne Carno
38:25stand trial for the murder of Richard Carno,
38:28the family braces themselves for the jury's verdict.
38:32Howard came back
38:36and sat right between my sister and I,
38:39and I just remember we were both
38:40hanging onto his arms.
38:42Like, what could happen here?
38:49The jury convicted both of them of murder.
38:55When they issued the first verdict guilty,
38:58I heard my Uncle John in the row behind me go,
39:01Yes!
39:02Because we knew she wasn't getting away with it.
39:05He wasn't getting away with it.
39:07And there would be some justice.
39:11Suzanne Carno, along with John Ray,
39:13agreed to waive all their appeals,
39:16and Suzanne Carno did not get any of the insurance money,
39:20and she is in prison along with John Ray.
39:24It did pay out.
39:25Baby Jack got half,
39:26and Richard's son got the other half.
39:29The DA made a deal with Suzanne and her brother
39:33for 40 years with the possibility of parole
39:37versus the death sentence.
39:39And so they accepted that.
39:43They were in their mid-30s when they went in,
39:45so they'll be late 70s, 80s when they get out,
39:49if they ever get out.
39:50As a death investigator, it really hits home for me
39:59the way the police perfectly handled that crime scene,
40:02keeping it sealed,
40:04not letting any external elements contaminate the scene,
40:09which gave them the absolute best chance
40:12of preserving all the evidence in the case,
40:15which, of course, led to a very satisfying conviction.
40:19$500,000 is a powerful motive,
40:27but in looking at this case,
40:29there's something much darker, much more vicious,
40:33and there's something in Suzanne
40:35that other people to her are objects for her to use.
40:40She used her brother.
40:42She used Richard.
40:44She used the general public.
40:46Her need for attention.
40:49And tragically, Richard Carno pays the price.
40:54It blows my mind to look back and see that Suzanne
41:02and her brother are so evil.
41:05I didn't harbor ill feelings towards him as much as I did her.
41:10She's the mastermind.
41:11My hatred, and I hate to use that word,
41:14my hatred is for her.
41:16I think whenever you lose somebody before their time,
41:22there's that grief.
41:24This was a wonderful person who lived 36 beautiful years on this planet
41:31and impacted a lot of people.
41:33Our family, we don't focus on the death, we focus on the life.
41:37I think about Richard all the time.
41:40I look at him and I go,
41:42this poor man lost his whole life.
41:45His life was in front of him,
41:47and these people took his life.
41:49That hurts me the most.
41:51So keeping Richard alive for me is staying in contact with his son.
41:57I get to live Richard through his son.
42:00He's a good kid.
42:01He's a father of two.
42:03And, um, so yeah.
42:12Sorry.
42:13You know, seeing his family, you know,
42:15and like I told his son,
42:17your dad would be proud of you.
42:19Huh, Ken.
42:26Although you.
42:38Yeah.
42:40Yeah.
42:41Yeah.
42:43Yeah.
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