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00:00I think that the path for the 49ers to win the division is it's a straight-line path.
00:05It's not easy.
00:06It's dicey.
00:07It's not that dicey.
00:09Well, it's asking for a lot of things to go your way is what I'm saying.
00:13Do what you're supposed to do and then catch a break and then beat Seattle.
00:18That's the path.
00:19Right, but like, okay, beat Seattle.
00:23Carolina, Cleveland, Tennessee.
00:26If you don't beat those three, then what are we even talking about?
00:29Sure, like you have to, okay, for the Niners to win the division, here's what you're essentially asking.
00:34They've got to win all the games in which they are favored the rest of the way,
00:38which I think then would put them in five of them.
00:40That would be in the last game of the year.
00:43You're hosting Seattle and you're 11-5.
00:45And so are they.
00:46But even with that, you're calling for the Rams to lose essentially all three of their remaining difficult games,
00:55which is at Seattle, home to Detroit, and home to Tampa this weekend.
01:02You've got to lose all of those.
01:03And then they would have identical records and you would have a shot to win the tiebreaker.
01:08You'd have the tiebreaker.
01:08Yeah, you'd have the tiebreaker.
01:09You'd have to beat Seattle, obviously.
01:11The Rams would be, they'd have two losses in the division.
01:14Right.
01:14Seattle would have two losses.
01:15You'd have the one.
01:16Yeah, you'd be the winner.
01:17But they've got to, like, not one game.
01:20Like, you can lose to the Colts.
01:22You can lose to the Colts.
01:23And that's pretty much it.
01:25You can't lose to Carolina.
01:26You can't go to Cleveland and get Shaduard.
01:28You've got to win all the games.
01:29Even though I said all year that that's a scheduled loss.
01:32Well, things have changed a little bit as we've gone from,
01:35I don't even know who started the season as the Browns quarterback.
01:38Joe Flacco.
01:39You keep forgetting.
01:40Did he start?
01:41Yes.
01:41I thought it was like.
01:42Opening day, QB1, Joe Flacco.
01:44I thought they had somebody before Flacco, and then it was Flacco,
01:48and then they traded Flacco, and it was Dillon.
01:50They traded away Kenny Pickett in the preseason.
01:52Right, to the Raiders.
01:53All right.
01:53I mean, you never know with Cleveland.
01:55Like, was DTR, was that last year?
01:57Yeah, no.
01:58It's hard to remember.
01:58He gone, but, like, yeah, they needed to clear out a spot in the QB room for Shaduard,
02:03so they got rid of Kenny Pickett, and then they started with Joe Flacco,
02:07and then Dillon Gabriel came in, and my memory tells me that he started his first game,
02:12and it was overseas.
02:13In England, yeah.
02:13They were literally like, let's do this in another country.
02:16And he looked actually pretty good.
02:17All right.
02:18He looked all right.
02:18I mean, relative to what we've seen since.
02:20He looked all right.
02:21He's not, I mean, they're not as good as Joe Flacco.
02:23No.
02:24Nobody is.
02:25Yeah, but you know.
02:26Who's played for Cleveland?
02:27Right.
02:28Yeah.
02:28Anyway, the point is, I looked at the Cleveland game, game 13 in a row,
02:33in a tough spot, on a tough field, against a very, very good defense,
02:38top three or four defense in football.
02:41That was going to be maybe a scheduled loss, but I don't even know if I feel that way anymore.
02:45So here's the one thing.
02:47Cleveland's offense is awful.
02:48Yeah.
02:48They can't move the ball.
02:49They might be able to move it against the Niners, but they can't move the ball.
02:53But I also, we're too far away from that game to have a weather report,
02:57and we just know, we know, like Miles Garrett and the snow might be there.
03:01Yeah.
03:01Cold and windy.
03:02Back to you, Mark.
03:03That messes things up, and we don't know who the kicker is.
03:06Ooh, and if it's wet, you know what that means for your boy.
03:09Oh, yeah.
03:09He's not even allowed to throw a wet ball.
03:11Well, he's allowed to, but.
03:13No.
03:14They should go back to Mac.
03:16Bench him.
03:17They probably should.
03:18Anyway, so.
03:20Brock Squirty.
03:22In the rain.
03:23Questionable.
03:24Questionable concern.
03:24Well, there's always concern.
03:26It's a football game, but anyway.
03:28Granny won't even give me a number, which means it's a one at best.
03:31Only because.
03:32I thought that it was clever.
03:33It's a two for clever, and because it's a good mood Tuesday.
03:37Usually the worst day of the week.
03:39Guru talked about his good mood.
03:40He's not wrong.
03:41We got a Warrior game in a little bit over an hour.
03:43Granny's liking it more and more as it sits with him.
03:45He's not.
03:45He's just being forced into an awkward smile.
03:49That's all.
03:50Don't get greedy.
03:51A little too far in the vulgar lane for me.
03:53I know it wasn't, but you can easily just think.
03:56Yeah.
03:57Yeah.
03:57Well, that's your mind.
03:58Like.
03:59I knew what you were doing.
04:01Dan Dibley here.
04:02Squirt.
04:03That's like.
04:04I don't even know if that drop still exists.
04:06It's one of my early, early live reads.
04:08I might have gotten left at the other building.
04:10Which building?
04:10We're a couple buildings back now.
04:12One of the other ones.
04:13Anyway.
04:13Brock Purdy.
04:14Wetball.
04:15Back to you.
04:15Point is.
04:17More hard hitting football.
04:17Like again.
04:18The path to a division.
04:20Maybe that would change the way people think.
04:22But.
04:23Like.
04:24The whole idea of.
04:26If the Niners fans look at this as Super Bowl or Buston.
04:29No matter the circumstances.
04:31There's only one thing.
04:32Because I don't look at it that way.
04:34And I kind of hope for everybody that you don't look at it that way.
04:36Because it just doesn't sound very fun to me.
04:38It sounds like you'd just be pissed off.
04:4099% of your life.
04:42If you're like.
04:43You gotta win it all.
04:44Or I hate you.
04:45I just.
04:45Okay.
04:46But.
04:47Here's the one thing I've got in your favor.
04:49If you think that way.
04:50I understand.
04:52If you feel that way.
04:54Because you think they feel that way.
04:57I know you've made a fair point.
05:00That the Niners did make a trade deadline move.
05:02They just made it a week before the deadline.
05:05Wasn't a big move.
05:06And it wasn't a traditional move.
05:08Because it wasn't a seller and a buyer.
05:10It was two really good teams getting together on a deal.
05:13Someone who had fallen out of favor.
05:14Keon White.
05:15But if you became discouraged either preseason or at the trade deadline.
05:21If you feel the Niners told you with their behavior.
05:27This isn't a Super Bowl year.
05:29I get it.
05:30I don't think that's necessarily fair.
05:33But I get it.
05:34I really do.
05:35The reason I don't think it's necessarily fair is.
05:38It's kind of hard for a team to just act the way a fan does.
05:43And say every year we're Super Bowl or bust.
05:45And that's how we're going to behave.
05:46No matter the circumstances.
05:48There are circumstances.
05:49There just are.
05:50Like there are finances.
05:52There are draft picks.
05:53There are.
05:54There's a business to run.
05:55And you can't run it the same way every year.
05:59Because not every year is the same.
06:01I get that.
06:02I get it.
06:02And also when you look at this year.
06:05And you lose your best defensive lineman.
06:07You lose your best linebacker.
06:09You haven't had your best quarterback for two months.
06:13You haven't had your best or second best receiver at all.
06:17And you may not the entire year.
06:19Forever again.
06:19And then you lost your second best linebacker.
06:22Who has had a hard time playing.
06:24You lost your second best pass rusher for a few games.
06:27So you've lost a lot of guys.
06:28And so even if you get to the deadline, you think, yeah, we're still, I think we're good.
06:33And our schedule softens up.
06:35What should we do?
06:36Well, how about you add seven different guys?
06:38Because you need about five to seven players.
06:41So let's just go ahead and shovel all our draft picks for one bite at the apple.
06:46You won't do that.
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07:05Let's go to Bob in the city.
07:06Hi, Bob.
07:07We thank you for the call.
07:07What are you doing?
07:09Hey, I love the show, guys.
07:11Thanks.
07:12I always hope, but I never expect.
07:16And when you look back in the Niners history, only the teams that you really expected to
07:21win a Super Bowl was 85 and 89.
07:24Outside of that, the team kind of came alive, you know, at the right time.
07:30You know, so I just, that's the way I look at it.
07:32But on the flip side, for some of these other people, a Super Bowl or bust, the last three
07:37trips to the Super Bowl, kind of a disappointment, right?
07:40So, you know, you kind of have to look at it from all sides.
07:43So, thanks, guys.
07:45Yeah, Bob, thanks.
07:45I mean, that's kind of sort of a different story, I think, about whether or not you even
07:50get to the Super Bowl and how do you look back on it.
07:54I mean, the Niners have been Super Bowl champions when they were underdogs in the game.
07:58That has happened before.
08:00Their very first Super Bowl, they were not supposed to even be there.
08:05And then they were there.
08:06And then I can remember, this is going way back to, but the year that they beat Miami,
08:1138-16, I think, was the final score of that one.
08:17The Miami Dolphins that year were an epic team throughout the regular season.
08:21I think it was week eight or nine before they even lost a football game.
08:24I don't remember the spread because I was too young to really be locked into spreads at
08:28that point.
08:29I think I was about like 11 or 12 years old.
08:31They were favored by three and a half.
08:32The Niners were?
08:33Yep.
08:33And I'm looking at the first Super Bowl, and according to this, oddshark.com, they were
08:38favored by one over Cincinnati.
08:41Over the Bengals?
08:41Yep.
08:41That's shocking because they were not supposed to be in the Super Bowl.
08:45Yeah, but when they beat Dallas, and they did that in dramatic fashion, of course.
08:48They were definitely underdog against Dallas.
08:49Well, that game was wild.
08:50I think they turned it over six times in that game.
08:53That's a fact.
08:54And so they were underdogs, even though they rocked Dallas the first time.
08:56The first game I ever went to as a young Danny Dibley, 45-14, at the stick.
09:03And then, yeah, you had him at home again, and you had to dig deep and avoid all those
09:07turnovers and win.
09:08But I see it here as you were favored by one, you were favored by three and a half over
09:12Miami, even though Miami, I think Marino had 48 touchdowns that year.
09:16Oh, they were unbelievable.
09:17I knew a lot of people, and again, this is through the eyes of a kid who, I didn't know
09:22gambling back then.
09:24Boy, those were good days.
09:26But anyway.
09:26I was going to say that the mark in this era would.
09:29Of course.
09:29Like your kids, your 12-year-olds in like four fantasy leagues.
09:32Yeah, but they wouldn't know, they don't know the spread.
09:35They have no idea.
09:36I mean, he might be running numbers in middle school.
09:39No, the 18, he might be actually.
09:42Call my message phone.
09:43Oh, he would get the spread.
09:45Dude.
09:46If I explained it to him, he would be ahead of me in 10 seconds.
09:50That kid's a savant.
09:51Yeah, but he doesn't know.
09:53Like if I asked him, what's the line this weekend?
09:56He'd be like, what line?
09:58You want me to draw a line on a piece of paper?
09:59What are you talking about?
10:00What's the question?
10:01Yeah, he wouldn't get that.
10:02So anyway, my point is, is that.
10:04You're welcome.
10:04Thanks, Kyle.
10:06I think you look back on Super Bowls and you ask yourself, did you think that we were the
10:11best team?
10:12Did you think that the Niners were the best team?
10:15You know, a couple years ago against the Chiefs, I thought the Niners were the best team.
10:19I thought they were the best team all year long.
10:21They lost an overtime game.
10:23They lost a football game.
10:24The year of the Jimmy G Chiefs game, that one I was a little bit more, I don't know where
10:30you, I'm trying to remember my mindset going into the game.
10:34I remember being very surprised that they were up by 10 in the fourth quarter.
10:38I did not think that the Niners were the best team.
10:41I thought the Chiefs were the better team.
10:43But then the Niners played better, and then it looked like they had it, and then it went
10:47away.
10:48Yeah.
10:48The game a few years ago with Brock Purdy, I thought the Niners were the better team.
10:53They were favored.
10:54Right, but it was a sleepy game that even though they led, you just, I don't know, I felt
11:00uncomfortable the whole time.
11:02And maybe that's our PTSD, Mahomes.
11:05I'm like, he's going to break through here at some point.
11:09You know what sticks out to me still is when the ball bounced off Darryl Luter.
11:13Like the only touchdown drive in regulation that the Chiefs ever went on is when we gave
11:17them the ball deep into our own territory already, and it was when the ball, the punt, that
11:22bounced off of Darryl Luter.
11:24Yeah.
11:24That was the moment where I'm like...
11:26Special teams, bro.
11:27Yep.
11:28That's going to lose the game.
11:29Yep.
11:29And they were underdogs against KC in the Jimmy G year by one and a half, and over under
11:3653, 31-20 the final, pay the under.
11:39And then the subsequent game, they were favored by two a couple years ago.
11:43I thought they were the best team all year long a couple years ago.
11:46Yeah.
11:46And they were the best team all game long.
11:49And, you know, like you said, like these little mistakes, the Darryl Luter and, you know,
11:53the punt just happens to kind of brush up against him.
11:56And so that costs you a possession, and KC goes on to beat you.
12:00Yeah, I just, I think the whole thing is about, I mean, for me, this is where we largely try
12:04to spend most of our show.
12:06It's about the fan experience.
12:07It's about all of you.
12:09Like, if I go back in my mind to the game at Lambeau Field, the Hufanga, the punt block,
12:16like, that's a different experience.
12:19Like, you sat down, and if you were rational for a moment, and I know a lot of us aren't,
12:25and there's alcohol, but like, I thought they were going to lose.
12:30I thought they were, like, they're going to Lambeau Field in January with Jimmy Garoppolo
12:36and not that great of a team, and I thought they were going to lose.
12:40I hoped that they would win, and then when they do, when you think they're going to lose,
12:45but they win, I would argue that's the most euphoric moment a sports fan can experience.
12:51And so that's why, you want to know why we believe is a documentary when all they did
12:57was win one round?
12:58Right.
12:58That's why.
12:59Five games.
13:00Right.
13:01Yep.
13:01That's why.
13:02Because it's euphoric when you think your team is going to lose, and then they do the
13:07opposite.
13:08That's incredible.
13:09That's the best stuff.
13:10So we are likely, I would argue, headed for that dynamic in January.
13:16I think the Niners will make the playoffs, and I think they will be expected to lose,
13:20and you get to sit down and root for them to shock everybody.
13:24That's fun.
13:25As I pointed out earlier, the last four years, wildcard teams, they don't do very well,
13:30and I think the number is seven wins and 24 losses, and I go back to the previous year,
13:35and I looked at it with all the COVID, and there weren't really road games.
13:40You were in a stadium that you weren't used to, but there were 7,000 people at the NFC
13:45championship game, and even though the Lambeau, Rowdies, you can get as rowdy as you want,
13:49that's a high school game.
13:51That's not even a high school playoff game, 7,000 people.
13:53Let me ask you something, though.
13:54When we talk about home field advantage, how much of it is the crowd?
14:00I would say at least half of it.
14:03Well, except for when it's the 49ers, 90% of the time, they don't deal with that.
14:09So are they home all the time?
14:12Not at Lambeau.
14:13Maybe not at Lambeau in the playoffs, but it is a very rare circumstance anywhere in
14:21the NFL these days that the Niners are overwhelmed by the crowd.
14:24It is much more likely that the home team has to move to a silent count than it is the
14:3049ers, depending on where you go.
14:32And yes, time of year matters because fewer people give up tickets when it's the playoffs.
14:36But they are so representative.
14:39What we're actually talking about is the crowd, then I need to make different rules for different
14:43teams.
14:44That means the Niners probably play 13 home games a year.
14:47Well, and John Avello, your odds maker buddy, who I love, and we could talk to him every
14:52week if you wanted because he has such great insight into the gambling part.
14:57And I asked him when we had him on a couple months ago, home field, the home team gets three
15:01points, right?
15:02And he's like, no, some teams get none.
15:04Not all.
15:05Some teams get a couple more.
15:06Yeah, does Arizona, they get any?
15:08No, they get nothing.
15:09What do you get?
15:09And the game you were mentioning at Lambeau, 15 degrees, 12 mile an hour wind.
15:15And that was one of those ones where, and again, it's not like all the Packer players
15:20grew up in Green Bay and therefore they're more used to it.
15:23But they do it three or four times a year.
15:25You do it.
15:25Yeah.
15:25You do it.
15:26And the Niners went there and Garoppolo did almost nothing.
15:30And the defense was really good and they couldn't run the ball.
15:33And then Hufanga made a play and you won a game.
15:35Yep.
15:35So, you know, as far as like, can you go on the road and win these games?
15:39Of course.
15:40But, and I'm going to look deeper into this as we get closer to the playoffs, like the
15:44formula for the road victory.
15:46Like, what does it look like?
15:48And I do think that there's one common thread.
15:50And one of the common threads is what the Niners don't have, which is a really good, get on
15:56the plane defense.
15:58Defense.
15:58Yes.
15:59Like, yeah.
16:00And that team that we talk about, you went to Green Bay and you didn't play great offensively.
16:05It was 15 degrees and snowy, but your defense was rock solid.
16:09And you didn't give up a lot.
16:11And you were able to kind of possess the ball.
16:13Possession was 30 minutes apiece.
16:15And it was one of those games where, who gonna make a play?
16:18Rodgers missed some throws.
16:19He sure did.
16:20He missed some throws.
16:21And Hufanga stepped up and made the play.
16:24Still one of my favorite fan moments of all time.
16:26I've told you the story.
16:27Oh, yeah.
16:28I love the story.
16:28Yeah, the Packers were lining up the punt.
16:30And I looked at my kids and I'm like, we need to block a punt.
16:34We gotta block a punt.
16:35It's the only way we're going to do this.
16:37We're going to block a punt.
16:39And then Hufanga.
16:40Who?
16:42Hufanga?
16:42You know, if you're a parent, there are those moments, they happen maybe twice in your life,
16:47where your kids, especially teenagers, because teenagers hate their parents.
16:52And they're snappy.
16:53Three-year-olds hate their parents.
16:55Exactly.
16:55But one of those few moments where those kids will look at you and they'll be like,
17:00dude, you're amazing.
17:01You're a wizard.
17:01What the hell?
17:03Like the kid, he looked at me and he goes, how did you do that?
17:06How did you do that?
17:06We blocked a punt.
17:07It was, I'll never forget that day.
17:09Can I ask you guys a trivia question about that?
17:11But, so, we remember the Joe Buck, Hufanga call.
17:16Hufanga recovered it, though.
17:17Did not block it.
17:18Do you know who blocked it?
17:19If you, I don't know off the top of my head, but let me, if you let me look at the roster,
17:23I bet I could come up with it.
17:26Um, God.
17:28I know that Ron Torbert was the ref that day.
17:30Hang on.
17:31Of course you know that.
17:31What season was that?
17:332021?
17:34That was the 2021 season.
17:36Okay, the 2022 divisional round.
17:38Okay, San Francisco.
17:40Torbert had a great game that night.
17:41I'm sure, yeah.
17:422021 San Francisco 49ers roster.
17:46Oh gosh, I'm on the Niners page where they give me all the pictures.
17:49I don't want that.
17:50Yeah, here we go.
17:51For a football reference.
17:5249ers roster.
17:53Let me look at this for just a second and see it, because I did have a name that popped
17:57to mind, but I don't even know if it was on the team.
18:02I'm looking at the roster and I have a guess, uh, just based on, uh, special team snaps.
18:08Uh, I'm going to go.
18:12It was a, it was a big boy.
18:13Yeah.
18:14I remember it being a big boy.
18:15Um, I'm going to go River Craycraft.
18:22Just kidding.
18:23I'm going to go with Jordan Willis.
18:25I was going to go DJ Jones.
18:27Willis, right?
18:28Oh, Jordan Willis.
18:32Jordan Willis.
18:33Yep.
18:34Forever Nighter.
18:35A lot of people are like, who?
18:36Yeah.
18:38Who are you?
18:39Yeah, Jordan Willis.
18:40That's who blocked it.
18:41Who funga would you talk about Willis?
18:45Which by the way, I bet for a lot of Niner fans, that was the first time you even heard
18:51the name.
18:52Like who funga was not, he was not who funga yet.
18:57They were not doing, he was not right.
19:00Grandy.
19:00He was not the starting safety yet.
19:02He was not doing that yet.
19:03That was the next year.
19:04I think he took over as the starting safety.
19:06Yeah.
19:06Joukowski start tart was still starting.
19:08I didn't know Joukowski start.
19:10That's exactly right.
19:11But Joukowski, you start.
19:13Who funga, you special team.
19:15Yeah.
19:16In that game, Talano who funga played a grand total of two defensive snaps.
19:21There you go.
19:22And that was not a defensive snap.
19:23I know that.
19:24No, that was a special team snap.
19:25It speaks to what you're talking about.
19:26He actually played almost every snap on special teams.
19:29Right.
19:30But that play, the recovery, the touchdown, that was a game changer.
19:34And by the way, Jordan Willis, I don't believe, has played since.
19:37That was his second to last game in the NFL.
19:40I think he played the next year, but not a lot.
19:42And then that's going to be about it.
19:44I remember the whole who funga thing.
19:46And people were like, yeah, appropriate start to his last name.
19:49Who?
19:49Right.
19:50Who is funga?
19:52Who are you?
19:52Yeah.
19:53Who is the guy with the hair in the end zone that's about to do the Lambeau leap?
19:57That's who he is.
19:58I'm going to do a deeper dive on wildcard teams who go on the road and win.
20:04And what is that through line?
20:05Because I'm thinking about that Niner team, and I mentioned it earlier, they had two wins
20:09that year on the road as a wildcard team.
20:12You went to Dallas, and your defense was awesome.
20:15Yep.
20:15And then you went to Green Bay, and your defense was awesome.
20:18So I do think that that is the through line, which makes me a little bit bummed about what
20:24this team might be able to do.
20:26I mean, they're allowed to go out and win 50-49 at Tampa or at wherever.
20:31But the one through line, as we always know, offense entertains and defense wins championships.
20:37I think, by the way, their defense is not that bad.
20:42They're just not good.
20:44They're not good.
20:45They're not good, and they're not good enough in the playoffs.
20:48But when Guru said what he said earlier, like, this is who you want to face above any other
20:53defense in the NFL to hit the brakes.
20:56They're not that bad.
20:59They're not 32nd in the league.
21:01Nope.
21:02You know what I mean?
21:03They're not.
21:03I don't know about the 50-49 comment.
21:07Like, they're not that bad.
21:09They're not, but I was looking at some of the advanced metrics, the EPA expected points
21:14added, and as a passing defense, they're kind of that bad.
21:19Yeah, they're not good.
21:20Miami, Washington, and the Bengals are the only three teams worse than the Niners in that
21:26metric against the pass.
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