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00:00Previously...
00:01Latoya!
00:02How are you?
00:03So good to see you.
00:04It's been a while.
00:05Good to see you.
00:06This is my friend group.
00:07Latoya, what's her name?
00:08Shaniqua.
00:09Helena, nice to meet you.
00:10Nice to meet you.
00:11I'm trying to recall, where do we know each other?
00:14We said we're gonna have more date nights.
00:16I would like to include my mom.
00:18Oh, God.
00:20Would you consider marriage counseling?
00:22Couples counseling ain't gonna maximize its potential.
00:25Let me focus on personal therapy.
00:28When you come home, I leave.
00:29Since he's found out that I was dating a younger man,
00:32Nico's not talking to me.
00:33So I didn't wanna get, like, super dressed up?
00:35Yeah.
00:36Still be cute, chic?
00:37Girl, it's giving cutesy, okay?
00:39Not cutesy.
00:40I'm not five.
00:41Well, you look about 11.
00:44Give her some apple juice.
00:45You have one more time to mention something about some apple juice
00:49before I start going in.
00:51Every single time I come around, it's,
00:53oh, you look 11.
00:54Oh, you drinking apple juice?
00:56And you start saying it consistently over and over again.
00:59I said it twice.
01:00Can you come up with another joke?
01:01I won't come up with no jokes with you.
01:03Oh, look at us.
01:04That's cute.
01:05I'm gonna put that in our adventure book.
01:06I picked the dugout for Jordan and I to have date night.
01:07Because he's athletic, he's young.
01:08I want him to have fun.
01:09That's gone.
01:10Even though I don't play baseball, some people might think that I'm confused, but I'm
01:17a little bit of a joke.
01:19But he's all the same.
01:20Yeah.
01:21I wanna get that?
01:22We're gonna get it.
01:23This is so fun.
01:24This is so fun.
01:25What do you want?
01:26This is fun.
01:27It's fun.
01:28This is so fun.
01:29This is fun.
01:30Yeah.
01:31This is fun.
01:32This is fun.
01:33This is fun.
01:34And I'm going to have fun.
01:35don't play baseball. Some people might think that I'm confused because I did lose my husband and
01:42they might think I'm grieving and that's why I'm dating Jordan. But I've dated other people since
01:46my husband passed because I, you know, I realized that life goes on. But with Jordan, it was a
01:52feeling that I had not experienced since my husband died. Watch it. There you go. Okay, coach. So it's
01:58a sort of like magnetic connection. Thank you, Lord. We here six months later. I was very
02:05insecure when I found out your age. I didn't want nobody to know. So what would you do like
02:12when I'm 60 and you're 40? You sure about that? Because I'm going to age. I'm going to look
02:22different. I ain't going to be as fine, as pretty. I'm going to have wrinkles. How? How are you going to make sure?
02:28You got to stay in that gym. Play in that gym. So what if Nico still live with me? I don't know what he going to do.
02:37Jordan. You have a grown man in your house getting downstairs. My thing is if we're going to be
02:42together, we can't just... How long will he be staying here? I don't know. That's my point.
02:47But Jordan, you can't compare him to you. Y'all are something different. But I'm like, you can't keep
02:51providing for him. At some point, man, you got to get it together, bro. I know as a woman,
02:56you like more emotional, but like, you got to have some tough love at the end of the day.
03:01I do. I try. You don't. You really don't.
03:04I feel like Nico has a lot of potentials, but at the same time, some people need a little more time
03:10for it to click. I don't want to discredit the person that he is, because he literally put his life
03:14on hold with no diet. How did he put his life on hold? He had to step in and be a daddy to his
03:18sisters. They didn't have nobody. He was the only person they knew that was a male figure in their
03:23house. So what is he doing outside of that? He's not about that. He's breathing, too. I feel like you make
03:28a lot of excuses. I'm just... That's just me. It helps me. It does. It helps me. So, like, be gentle a little bit
03:35about that. Like, damn. I'm not... Like I said, I'm not trying to... Like, so... Rye, rye. Jordan, he's so hard.
03:42I don't like it at all. Like, I'm okay with nurturing my son, my daughters, until they ready
03:48to face the world. It's hard being a black man in America right now. And Nico, I don't want to
03:53just throw him out to the wolves. I would really love for Jordan to understand that, but that's
03:58what happens when you're dating a man that's 17 years younger than you are. Yeah, that's gonna be
04:02a challenge for us. I'm done.
04:08Bad days will last forever. The sun will come out and change the weather. You've been there
04:14before you got over it. Let it take its course, you got it.
04:24Hi, Miss Sylvia. Thank you for taking this call. I just... I've been working all day at the
04:30restaurant, but I've kind of had, like, a really heavy heart on just a matter that took place
04:37with one of the girls. The crawfish event is triggering because growing up, I was always
04:44the bigger kid in the class. So anything I said, no matter how much love I put into it,
04:49no matter how much someone else said the exact same thing, what I said always felt like it
04:54was offensive, and that was never the intent. So it's important for me to stop what I was doing
05:00and contact Miss Sylvia immediately. Myself, Manera, and Ro all met up, and Manera is normally
05:09dressed up, but on this day, I saw her in a really nice jogging suit and some Jordans,
05:15and so I'm like, you look cutesy. Her immediate response was, cutesy? I'm not five.
05:21Right. So the next day, Labrina hosted a beautiful crawfish ball at her house. I hadn't even sat down
05:29before Manera. It was like, yesterday, you basically called me 11 years old. She's like,
05:34you're just not getting it. You don't know what her past is. You know, cutesy could have been
05:39something for her that was triggering. True. And for you, it's just natural because that's your
05:45personality. Right. I never thought of it like that, but I still feel like there's layers of Manera
05:51that she's not uncovering. And the one time she is expressive, it was like a room.
05:59So what do you think this is going to do to the dynamics of the group of friends?
06:04Having a safe space is needed, and you can sit in a group of women and still not feel safe.
06:09And I want to feel safe, and I want others to feel safe, too.
06:12Exactly.
06:13The friendship amongst the ladies, it's feeling a little broken. So I'm thinking like,
06:19hmm, maybe it's time I introduce Miss Sylvia to the group. So if I get the ladies together,
06:25would you be open to coming and chatting with all of us and hearing our hearts?
06:31Of course. But as long as they're comfortable with me being there, of course I would. We can make that
06:37happen. Perfect. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'll definitely get them together and
06:42see you over a date and all that good stuff. Okay. Sounds good.
06:46Thank you, Miss Sylvia. You're welcome. All right. See you soon.
06:50Okay. Okay. Bye-bye. I'm not this good at Zoom. Bye, Miss Sylvia.
06:57I did suggest for Norm, my mom, and myself to go out on a date, and I'm happy that they agreed to it.
07:13I really think that it's important to have all three of us go out because we have to live with
07:17each other, and it's definitely been difficult for my mom and Norm to get to a common ground
07:22because both of them are so stubborn, y'all. Let me get this chair for you right here, mom.
07:26Aw. Thank you. You're welcome. They are two people I love, but honestly,
07:31it just makes me feel weird because I'm always caught in the middle in every situation.
07:35Look at us. Yeah, so what order and what? You look like you're about to propose to me.
07:40Are you about to propose? No, I already made that mistake once.
07:43That was the best decision in your life. You know he likes the joke. He thinks he's a little comedian.
07:47Yeah, but he wants to be. Otherwise, he's so serious.
07:52Oh. She would like to have a family discussion.
07:55Like I tell Manera, most of the time, I'm always thinking about business and what I have to do,
08:00so that's why my face looks like that. I'm not really mad about it.
08:04For 10 years?
08:06It's a lot of business.
08:08But when you walk around like that, it could come across as something's wrong or you're pissed off at somebody.
08:15One of the reasons why I really love the idea of us just spending more time together is because sometimes I feel
08:20that it's difficult for me to be in the middle of you two.
08:25I'm kind of finding it hard to balance between being present in the home with y'all, with the kids,
08:33work, and sometimes I feel like I don't know if I'm letting y'all down,
08:38and then y'all start getting upset and mad and angry, and I don't know if y'all get mad and angry at me or y'all just...
08:44No.
08:45Nobody gets mad at you. You're working. You're not playing around. You're doing for your kids. Sacrificing.
08:53Like, I'm excelling in one aspect of the career. I don't want to make sure that I'm failing somewhere else.
09:00Growing up, I really never saw myself being a wife, having a marriage, and let alone being a mother.
09:06So now that I have all those things, I really want to make sure that I'm always pouring into my kids.
09:11And I know a lot of times when we're working and we're just on that grind mode,
09:14we don't necessarily realize that time away from the kids is really affecting them in all areas.
09:20Everybody knows when you have your own business that you have to work 24-7.
09:24That's why you have your mother, and that's why you have me.
09:28You can start paying me.
09:32I don't ever want it to seem like that's your responsibility.
09:36Like, at the end of the day, I appreciate you being there, but...
09:40You know, that's what grandparents do.
09:42I know. And if you want to do that, that's fine.
09:44But I don't want you to ever feel like that's your responsibility.
09:48I would do anything for them.
09:50Anything.
09:51No, we know that.
09:52But, Mom, I know I don't tell you this enough, though, but I really appreciate you.
09:57Oh, you're welcome.
09:58You're welcome.
09:58Anytime.
09:59I'm very proud of you, too.
10:01You do an amazing job with the girls, to tell you the truth.
10:05I have never seen any man, and I'm truly blessed to have a son-in-law like you.
10:13Because you love my daughter, and you take care of her and my grandchildren.
10:17That's a job I take very seriously.
10:19I couldn't see my daughter marrying anybody else but you.
10:22Isn't this beautiful?
10:24It's like a weight lifted off my shoulder because just moving quickly on a day-to-day basis,
10:29sometimes you don't realize that we're blessed to have a village that we have.
10:33I would like to give myself a pat on the back because I think this was a very successful
10:37date night.
10:37Me and Mom is going to go bingo, so.
10:40Bingo.
10:40Yeah, we're going to go bingo.
10:41And then McDonald's.
10:42McDonald's?
10:43I'll be going to McDonald's first and then bingo.
10:45Coming up, you haven't been communicating.
10:49Because you dated somebody literally four years old.
10:52What do they have to do with anything?
10:54That's weird.
10:54What is wrong with me?
10:55Nothing is wrong with you.
10:56Since we analyzed it.
10:57Nothing is wrong with you.
10:58Because there's a lot of wrong with you.
10:59I didn't hurt you.
11:01I didn't intrigue you.
11:02Like, why were we intensely talking?
11:04It's just talking to me as if I am not a grown woman.
11:08I am not 19.
11:10You want to bring a new friend and we want to ask her a question?
11:12We can ask her a question.
11:13And I'm here for all the questions because I have the receipts.
11:16This is crazy.
11:16You printed this out.
11:17Bitch, it's nowhere.
11:18Bitch.
11:20This is crazy.
11:20You printed this out.
11:21Bitch, it's nowhere.
11:22Bitch.
11:29Man, my son didn't graduated this year, man.
11:36So proud of him.
11:37Didn't see you turn into a man so fast, man.
11:39Hey, y'all.
11:41Oh.
11:42How you doing, Miss Brynn?
11:43You all right?
11:44These kids.
11:46What happened now?
11:47So, oh, y'all hella cute.
11:49I'm in the game.
11:50I'm in the game.
11:51Okay.
11:52But no, like, literally, I just came from dealing with Pop.
11:57This child of mine.
11:59I have two children.
12:01Winter, who is three years old, with my husband.
12:03My son, Brynn, we call him Pop.
12:07He's 15 years old.
12:08He lives part-time with his dad and part-time with me.
12:12Take it easy.
12:13We should call him, man.
12:14All right.
12:14So what the teacher's saying, like...
12:16You know, his grades really like sleeping.
12:19And we didn't play that here.
12:21Here, he had good grades.
12:22At our house, there are rules, there are regulations.
12:25That's it.
12:26But at his dad's house, there's a lot more freedom, leniency.
12:31So in terms of the co-parenting, it kills me to be like, okay, yeah, you can go every weekend.
12:38Because there's so many things that are lacking.
12:41It's not okay.
12:42We need to figure this thing out immediately.
12:45I mean, it's normal.
12:47As any kid, you want to be with your dad.
12:49But we had a crossroad for him because time is of the essence.
12:54I tell him all the time, we're asking you to make the right decisions, to choose the best thing for you.
13:01We need the light bulb to go off.
13:03My life is not perfect.
13:04My husband's life is not perfect.
13:07And it's okay to have struggles and come up short sometimes.
13:11But still, I do hope Pop comes back to stay full-time just to get back on track and make sure that we're all on one accord for the success of his future.
13:24What is that beeping?
13:25It's the fire alarm, you know?
13:27Oh, you mean like the detective?
13:28Just look at my random person video.
13:30You're going to hear that.
13:31Hey, Romeo.
13:46You better stop peeing in this house.
13:49The last time Jordan and I went on a date, it was a bit stressful for me.
13:53I ended up crying over Nico.
13:55You want some wine?
13:56Jordan feels like Nico should level up, and he's right, and the truth hurts.
14:03Sit.
14:04Sit.
14:05It's been a few days, and Nico and I have not talked.
14:09I don't know if he's really mad about Jordan or what's going on, but we got some things that we need to iron out.
14:14Hey, what's up?
14:20Not much.
14:22Like, you haven't been communicating, so I'm just trying to see, like, what's up, what's going on with you.
14:27Because you dated somebody literally five, four years old.
14:31What did I have to do with anything?
14:32That's weird.
14:33That's not weird.
14:34It's weird.
14:35You can ask anybody, and we weird too.
14:38That's like somebody that is a part of my life, so it is what it is.
14:41You don't have to be a part of it.
14:42I don't want to.
14:44That's fine.
14:45So I'm weird, but I have my life together.
14:47I'm trying.
14:47But when I was your age, I had my life together too.
14:50All right.
14:50You don't recall?
14:51Not really.
14:52You were staying with your mom.
14:53Yeah.
14:54Exactly.
14:54I was staying with my mom.
14:55I think you wasn't helping her do nothing.
14:58That's not true.
14:59All right.
14:59That's not true.
15:00Now I'm about to leave.
15:01No, that's not true.
15:02I was hustling.
15:02I was grinding.
15:03I was at school.
15:04I was trying to start a business.
15:05You ain't helping with another one bill, though.
15:07Nico knows what I've been through, and he's cutting my heart.
15:12Like, wide open.
15:14Like, what?
15:15You making me feel like a failure.
15:17Okay, so it's me.
15:18I'm the problem.
15:18Yes, you're right.
15:19So I get all the stuff I do, and so what is wrong with me?
15:22Nothing's wrong with you.
15:22Since we analyzing each other.
15:23Nothing is wrong with you.
15:24Because there's a lot of wrong with you.
15:27At your age, I'm taking care of a five-year-old.
15:29I had a job.
15:31What can you say about yourself?
15:32Look at me.
15:33What I look like.
15:34What does that mean?
15:35A rapper, right?
15:36Yeah, I know.
15:36That's what I want to do.
15:37Okay, so if you want to rap, what are you doing to pursue your rap career?
15:40When the last time you went to the studio?
15:43That doesn't matter.
15:44I've been to the studio a couple weeks ago.
15:46Nico, I ain't heard you been in the studio in years.
15:48But okay, a person that has a goal like that, they're working on their craft.
15:52If you don't become a rapper, what's your plan?
15:54What is your plan?
15:56I know you say you're going to become one, but everybody don't make it.
16:00That's what I want you to realize as your mother.
16:02I can do.
16:02I can start rapping tomorrow if I want to.
16:04You need to have a backup plan.
16:06Until you become a successful rapper, work.
16:09This is not how I expected this conversation to go between Nico and I,
16:12but I really don't know where we go from here.
16:15And I can only hope for the best, but it's not looking too good.
16:19You should believe.
16:20I do believe, but I ain't heard you make a video or no song in years.
16:25When's your last video?
16:27I don't even want to do this.
16:28Yeah.
16:28All right.
16:28All right.
16:29Well, bye.
16:38Lord, I want to appreciate you for all the love you have given us,
16:42and especially them because they're doing well.
16:45And my old girl over here, she's doing pretty good too.
16:48And you know, I'm trying to hold it down and keep my crown, Lord.
16:50So I want to thank you, and I appreciate you.
16:52Amen.
16:52Amen.
16:53I'm having a family dinner tonight because this is not something that we do often.
16:58I think there is a handful of times that my parents are really in the same room.
17:03I didn't grow up seeing that.
17:05You know, like, they divorced when I was two.
17:07My dad has been married to my stepmom for, like, 30 years at this point.
17:11And my mom, she's no longer married.
17:14You don't have anything green on your plate.
17:16You have green on your plate, and you don't even eat it.
17:20There you go.
17:20Show her.
17:21Show her.
17:21Show her.
17:22It's for sure, sweetheart.
17:23I just wanted them to come together for the first time in a long time and have some dinner.
17:30Let's talk.
17:30Let's talk about life.
17:32And how is Miss Winter?
17:33Winter is three, going on 35.
17:38How is Papa?
17:39Papa is good.
17:40He 15.
17:4215.
17:43Damn.
17:4415.
17:45Time is rolling.
17:46Before you know it, you'll have a college student.
17:48Mm-hmm.
17:49What do y'all think, like, is a good age for, like, a kid to leave home?
17:55Not 18.
17:56To leave home?
17:57When they graduate, you got to go.
18:00I'm not saying don't have a connection with home.
18:03I'm saying get out.
18:05You know, do your thing.
18:07My daddy was in the streets already as a teenager.
18:10My mom was a teenage mom.
18:12Like, life came at them early.
18:14It came at them hard.
18:17I honestly don't think they knew any other way to parent.
18:21I feel like I just wasn't equipped to do that.
18:24Like, I was, like, one of them ones, like, hey, it's time for you to go.
18:28Nobody said, okay, let me sit you down.
18:30Let me show you what to expect.
18:32Okay, but...
18:33Don't let me finish.
18:34I had a kid at 19.
18:35But so...
18:37There you go.
18:37Come on, girl.
18:38I'm gonna tell you, man.
18:39When you just 18...
18:39What age did you leave home?
18:43Papa wasn't even one.
18:44He was actually 10 months old when I got the ultimatum for him to go.
18:48There were rules in place.
18:50And when you don't follow the house rules, there are consequences.
18:57Coming up...
18:58I remember life was hard for me.
19:00I feel like there was no grace.
19:02I've been sitting on my true feelings for a very long time.
19:06It was so unpleasant.
19:07It was so unkind.
19:08It was so hard.
19:09So, yeah.
19:11It's...
19:12I'm gonna tell you, man.
19:20When you just 18...
19:20What age did you leave home?
19:24Papa wasn't even one.
19:25He was actually 10 months old when I got the ultimatum for him to go.
19:29There were rules in place.
19:30And when you don't follow the house rules, there are consequences.
19:34I got pregnant with my son, Brennan Pop, at 19 years old.
19:39I lived with my mom and my stepdad at the time.
19:43And my mom said I needed to move out.
19:46I struggled as a young mother just because I didn't have the tools under my belt to thrive as an adult.
19:54I think the outcome, considering...
19:57That's all right.
19:58That's all right.
19:58That was pretty good.
19:59Not to take credit.
20:00I think the outcome literally has a lot to do with our ambition and drive of just who we are as individuals.
20:06Exactly.
20:07Exactly.
20:07That's right.
20:07So, y'all can count on that pretty quickly.
20:09No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
20:10No.
20:11Sometimes you end up molding yourself.
20:14My parents grew up on that tough love and figure it out mentality to themselves.
20:19For them, it's like, oh, you want to be grown?
20:21Be grown.
20:22So, how I went from that girl to the woman I am today was trials, tribulations.
20:29We going to get out of here, though.
20:30All right.
20:31Give me a cold.
20:33So, you create a hard shell navigating through life because you're in survival mode.
20:39You're protecting yourself.
20:40You're just trying to get by.
20:41I remember life was hard for me.
20:43I felt like there was no grace during that period of trying to figure out life because nobody would really put theyself on the line for me to figure life out.
20:53I'm not trying to be defensive.
20:55And I understand what you're saying.
20:59You're not the only one that had a hard time figuring it out at 20 and 21.
21:06I mean, it happens.
21:08It was hard to get an apartment for a lot of us at that age.
21:11It was hard for a lot of us to raise a child on our own.
21:15But is there some things that I regret?
21:18Yes.
21:18Absolutely.
21:20You're entitled to feel however you feel.
21:24You know, I accept that.
21:26And I hold myself accountable for not being the best I could be at 20 and 21.
21:33But I feel like I was the best I could be up until that time.
21:37I could never imagine, you know, if Papa's like 18, 19 years old, whatever, and he would have to get out or he would have to leave just based on what life was like, figuring life out.
21:54And it was so unpleasant, it was so unkind, it was so hard, you know, because there was no blueprint that was given to me.
22:02Having a one-on-one woman-to-woman conversation with my mom, I feel very relieved to tell my mom my perspective because I've been sitting on my true feelings for a very long time.
22:15And I do agree things probably could have been different.
22:18One thing I can say that even the hardship of your young adult times, it was all done with love.
22:29It was never a thing where don't never come back to this house again.
22:34You could always come home.
22:35Whether you wanted to or not, you could.
22:38You didn't even want to be there.
22:40Fair enough.
22:45So we had to do what you had to do, you know, to get where we wanted to be.
22:51Mm-hmm.
22:57With everything that's going on with all the ladies, personally, professionally, amongst each other, it was time we got together and had some peace.
23:10So I invited all the ladies to meet with Miss Sylvia.
23:14How are you?
23:15I'm good.
23:15How are you?
23:16You look gorgeous.
23:17I think this is more so like a feels and heals.
23:21Feel what you feel so you can heal.
23:24So we don't have to stay stuck on the same things.
23:27Heal.
23:29Got a lot I want to share with you.
23:31I love that hair.
23:33Latouria is inviting us to this thing called feels and heals.
23:36And I got the heels, but I don't know about the feels.
23:38Not doing brunch.
23:40I just want to drink a little mimosa about my business.
23:42Hopefully, this will mend some of the broken pieces and tension within our friend group.
23:49I'm really excited to meet Miss Sylvia and see what she has to say.
23:55I'm more excited to see what all the other girls are going through because sometimes these ladies can bottle up a lot of emotions that we never hear about.
24:03But I can't be the only person going through something.
24:05Hello.
24:06I know that there is a lot that we have to get off our chest, and I'm interested to see the bond that it's going to create.
24:12Hey, Latouria.
24:13Good to see you.
24:14Coming into this, I'm already on edge because Latouria hasn't replied to my text.
24:19So I'm hoping that she doesn't think we need a mediator for us to talk.
24:24Hi, everybody.
24:25How are you?
24:26Hi.
24:27Julia, this is Manera.
24:28Nice to meet you.
24:29I'm cheating you.
24:30I'm not up for all of that drama.
24:34Coming up.
24:35You do not like being called cute.
24:36It's not the word.
24:37It's the word.
24:38I'm being for real right now.
24:39No, you don't like the word.
24:40Okay.
24:41I know I look young.
24:42You don't.
24:43She's just like, ugh.
24:45She's just like, ugh.
24:51Being on my healing journey, and Miss Sylvia is my therapist, and so I was like, well,
24:55you know, I know there's been a lot going on in the group, and, you know, I just want us
25:00to be able to kind of open up, so that's why we're here.
25:03Thank you for asking me to come.
25:05No problem.
25:07So, ladies, I really, really appreciate you guys allowing me to sit.
25:13In your group, and talk to you, and hear your stories.
25:16Let me tell you all, I see you guys as a big puzzle, right?
25:20Each one of y'all are a puzzle piece.
25:22You're going to all touch each other in some way.
25:24Yeah.
25:24When you fit into your spot where you're supposed to fit in, that's when the connection starts
25:29to happen.
25:29Let's see how it hurts.
25:30What's Erykah Badu's song?
25:32Bag Lady?
25:33We all have some baggage that we bring to a friendship, a relationship, and so your
25:38feelings and emotions are valid.
25:40So what do y'all need and want to talk about today?
25:46So I'm currently experiencing right now, me and my husband are sleeping in separate rooms.
25:52I'm not my total self.
25:54He is not his total self.
25:56So I'm wanting us to work on ourselves individually and then come back together to where it's healthy.
26:02So how will you know if you're really stronger?
26:05He can take steps that will contribute to a healthier relationship.
26:10Do you think he knows what the steps are?
26:12Oh, he knows.
26:12Elena's still being a little vague about what's going on with her and Josh, but I'm like,
26:17we're your friends.
26:18We're your girls.
26:18Like, open up.
26:19I do like how you're working on yourself because the only person who can make you happy is you.
26:25Take your mask off, baby.
26:26Take the makeup off.
26:27Let us see you.
26:29Like, let it out, Elena, because we've been wondering, what's the problem?
26:33What's the issue?
26:34What's the root of your pain?
26:36Is your marriage, is nobody else's marriage with you?
26:40Nobody else's.
26:40To be quite honest.
26:41I'm holding things back to protect Josh.
26:44There are a lot of things that I am not saying.
26:46And so I think right now, I feel like we are just hoping for the best in therapy to heal and be able to stay in his marriage.
26:54Okay, it's that, but what else is it?
26:56And I know that there's other things that you don't feel comfortable talking about that you haven't discussed.
27:01Because I just don't like to share.
27:03But I will say that this has taken so much for me and has broken so much of my trust.
27:13Am I able to move on from this space?
27:15I don't know.
27:16Miss Roe, what about you?
27:19Me and my daughter are good.
27:20I think we have a pretty good relationship.
27:21She's like my best friend.
27:23It's just been me and her since, you know, she's been born.
27:25How old is she?
27:26She's 12.
27:2712.
27:27She's going through that, like, that weird, I just started middle school.
27:30I'm trying to figure out who I am.
27:31Middle school is tough.
27:32That's the hardest part.
27:33Why nobody warned me?
27:34They are so mean.
27:36I used to teach seventh graders.
27:38They're mean.
27:38There's no one telling me to do this at this age.
27:40And, like, me and my mom didn't have the best relationship growing up, so I can't even really call her.
27:45Because she's going to tell me her way of her doing things, which is, like, the old way of things.
27:49Like, get real whooping or, like, you know, ground her for 30 years.
27:52I'm like, that didn't work for me, obviously, because I still was a badass.
27:54So, I don't know.
27:56I don't know.
27:56So, I just try to, like, learn how to parent her in a way that's more positive.
28:01Positive.
28:01So, just keep instilling in her who she is.
28:05Yeah.
28:05How about you?
28:06Oh, y'all.
28:08It's okay.
28:09Take your time.
28:09That's okay.
28:10So.
28:10That's what this is all about.
28:12I was a, hold on.
28:14All right.
28:15I was a young mom.
28:16I had my son at 19.
28:18Mm-hmm.
28:18And the strain on my relationship with my mom happened when I really needed, like, specific answers and guidance.
28:30On being a young mom.
28:33Mm-hmm.
28:33Besides this old school saying of, well, you gonna need to go get a job or you need to work harder.
28:40Yeah.
28:40You get out.
28:41You needed unconditional love.
28:43Yes.
28:43It also kind of hardened me because I was focused on surviving.
28:49But it did turn up my hustle times a million.
28:53There we go.
28:54So, really, it's made you stronger.
28:56Labrina, I think you said survival.
28:57You used the word survival.
28:59She did.
28:59And I just put myself in your mom's shoes, right?
29:02Mm-hmm.
29:02That stood out to me because I feel like I'm in survival mode, you know?
29:08And I'm going through that with my son.
29:12I don't know.
29:13Sometimes I feel like I blocked him out because he's grown, you know?
29:18You don't have to worry about him anymore because you've raised him.
29:21When you said that, I'm just like, you know, is that how my son feels, you know?
29:27When No died, I went into a mode where I was like, Labrina said survival mode, you know?
29:33I didn't care about how he felt.
29:35I had to figure out how the bills was going to get paid, like, not worry about how people feel.
29:40I didn't check on my son.
29:42And that, like, kills me.
29:44It eats me up inside.
29:46Is my life that chaotic to where my kids don't feel loved?
29:50You have to give yourself grace and you have to know that you're doing an amazing job.
29:55Every one of you have something personal, something in your business.
30:00How does this affect the dynamics of y'all's friendship?
30:03I think we're navigating.
30:05And obviously, you know, I'm very serious about my healing journey.
30:08Obviously, my grief journey with my dad.
30:12It's been a year since I lost my dad.
30:15He was my best friend.
30:16He was my biggest cheerleader.
30:17I miss my dad so much.
30:19This past year has been literally the toughest of my life.
30:23I am navigating through a journey without my advocate, my safe space, the shoulder for me to cry on.
30:31And it's so hard.
30:32It's very difficult.
30:34Some people don't even realize that they need the healing because if they've lived a certain life a certain way, it's natural for them.
30:42It's so natural.
30:43It's like second nature.
30:45Yeah, it's what they do.
30:47Exactly.
30:48So you've been being your authentic self.
30:50That's exactly what I've been doing.
30:51So how does that feel for you, though?
30:53Well, I don't know how to be anything but me, you know?
30:56And that's just the honest truth.
30:57And so even when it comes to, like, my humor or giving a compliment or whatever the case may be, I mean, I think there's been some moments where perhaps the way I express, the way that I love, the way that I joke may have been received wrong.
31:13And so I think, you know, recently, Muneer and I had a moment.
31:20Coming up.
31:21I feel like there's a character assassination.
31:23What is going on?
31:24This is communication via email.
31:26That says 2014.
31:28It doesn't matter the year.
31:29Do you know me or do you not?
31:32Do you know me or do you not?
31:34Perhaps the way I express, the way that I love, the way that I joke may have been received wrong.
31:44And so recently, Muneer and I had a moment when I caught her cutie.
31:48And after that took place, I wrote a letter to you.
31:52You mind if I read it?
31:57Sure.
31:58But I was, even before you get to the letter, um, in my mind, I left it there.
32:04And then after we left, I had reached out to you and sent you the message saying, I just want you to know I'm there for you.
32:10Right.
32:11I didn't get a response back.
32:12I needed time to process.
32:14Just was like, well, if I didn't hurt you, I didn't trigger you.
32:16Like, why were we intensely talking?
32:18It wasn't something that triggered me or bothered me, but it was something that was irritating to hear it over and over and over again.
32:24You do not like being called cute.
32:26You don't like the word, because when I called you cute, I told myself that's the last time I'm going to call you cute.
32:30Because you were like, why I got to be cute?
32:32Okay, but this conversation is not about the word.
32:34It was something else that was even said.
32:36It's a word.
32:36I'm being for real right now.
32:37It's not just a word.
32:38No, you don't like the word.
32:40Okay.
32:40I know I look young, but when somebody repeats.
32:42You don't.
32:43Girl, I don't need you speaking for me, nor do I need you interrupting what I'm trying to say.
32:48I just, she just, like, ugh.
32:51She's just talking to me as if I am not a grown woman.
32:55I am married, I have multiple kids, I have businesses.
32:59Like, I am in my 40s.
33:00I am not 19.
33:02And the thing is, to you, it felt, oh, I'm getting tired of this.
33:05It wasn't enough respect.
33:07You're a woman.
33:07So for Latoria, that's how she just greets people.
33:11And so we're going to let Latoria read her letter to you.
33:13Okay.
33:14So it says,
33:15Dear Manera, I'm the kind of person that gives compliments.
33:18I like to see people smile.
33:20When I called you cutesy, it was sincere.
33:22I want you to know it wasn't shade, and I truly apologize.
33:25Perhaps I could have said I admire the way you look.
33:28This is a moment for us.
33:29We are both a part of the same best sorority in the world.
33:34And one of our principal messages is we help each other.
33:38So moving forward, we will apply that.
33:41I appreciate the letter.
33:42I really do.
33:43I honestly feel Latoria said what she needed to say, and I received it.
33:47And at this point, I'm just ready to move past it.
33:50How are you all feeling about this group right now?
33:52I love this group.
33:53I feel like we have such amazing connection.
33:57Being who we are, boss women, moms, wives.
34:01It's so much we can learn from each other.
34:03I honestly feel like this group is like a gumbo.
34:07If I had to say, right, don't you love a good girl?
34:10The room better be blacker than me.
34:13But no, I'm saying that to say every ingredients is needed in a gumbo.
34:18I like that.
34:19I feel really good about feels and heals.
34:23There were some tears.
34:24There were some layers removed.
34:26There was some healing.
34:28I should be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize at this point.
34:31Oh, yeah?
34:31Tonight, Khloe invited us to Single Ladies Night at Mocha Lounge, owned by four powerful black men in Houston.
34:52Good drinks, live music.
34:55It's time to get cutesy.
34:57Pause.
34:59Get cute.
35:01Feel good.
35:03And let's just go have some drinks.
35:05Hey, sexy mama.
35:07Hey, Nesha.
35:08How are you?
35:09Good to see you.
35:10Okay, great.
35:11Come on, yeah, yeah.
35:12How you doing?
35:13Girl, good.
35:18I am so excited about Ladies Night tonight.
35:21It's going to be me, Latoya Rowe, and Elena, because she's kind of single.
35:24And I'm inviting a special guest.
35:26I hope the ladies love her.
35:28Hi, girl.
35:28How are you?
35:29Hi, ladies.
35:30Good to see you.
35:32Okay, look at me with the single ladies.
35:34Girl, let your hair down.
35:36Oh, you need a shot, yes.
35:37Shots right here.
35:39I do.
35:39I have a surprise.
35:41What's your surprise?
35:41I love surprises.
35:42What's a surprise?
35:44Y'all ready?
35:45Oh, let me see.
35:47I invited somebody.
35:48Oh, you invited Jordyn.
35:49She's close.
35:51Listen, she isn't my therapist.
35:54This is a friend of mine, who's also a friend of yours.
35:57Y'all kind of briefly know her.
35:58Y'all met her.
35:59I don't like new people.
36:00But she and I got really cool.
36:02Shaniqua, girl, from the rodeo.
36:04So, y'all friends?
36:06That's good.
36:07I wouldn't say we're friends, but we got really cool.
36:09Like, Shaniqua's a vibe.
36:10When I first met Shaniqua at the rodeo, I enjoyed her spirit, her energy.
36:14You're cougaring.
36:15Yeah, girl.
36:17We're having, like, a single ladies night out.
36:19You got to come and bring your energy.
36:21Yes, I can do that.
36:23Yes.
36:24I'm all about added value, and I feel like Shaniqua has that touch.
36:28Like, we need some more fun people around.
36:30Right now.
36:34Right now.
36:35How are we doing today?
36:36Yeah.
36:36How are you?
36:38Good to see you.
36:39Boy, why are you inviting people just not a part of the friend group?
36:41You're still giving, like, Cowboy Carter.
36:44And granted, this ain't got nothing to do with your kwee kwee.
36:46What are we doing?
36:48Boy, stop being so damn friendly.
36:49I'm not trying to be mean, but, like, the fact that you keep popping up in, like, our, like, friend group situations.
36:54Yeah.
36:54I don't know about a pop-up.
36:55It is a pop-up, because we know you were something to know.
36:57Uh-oh.
36:57Well, excuse me.
36:58She was my surprise.
37:00Oh, you saw surprise?
37:01Yes.
37:01I'm sorry.
37:01Excuse me.
37:02Surprise are usually pleasant for everybody.
37:06My hope is pleasant.
37:15She was my surprise.
37:17Oh, you saw surprise?
37:18Yes.
37:19I'm sorry.
37:19Excuse me.
37:19Surprise are usually pleasant for everybody.
37:23My hope is pleasant.
37:24Y'all got to be open to meeting people.
37:26Me saying Shanika was a pop-up had nothing to do with her.
37:29It had everything to do with Chloe inviting her and not letting us know.
37:32If we having the ladies tonight out, right, we're supposed to be comfortable with what we're talking about.
37:36We're supposed to be, you know, be able to have these conversations that, you know, are open and honest.
37:39I can't do that with somebody I don't know.
37:40Now I have to watch what I say and, you know, kind of be more on the edge because I can't be myself because I don't know her.
37:49So then let's start here because I hadn't communicated with you in, like, probably 10 years.
37:54Let's just start from 10 years ago.
37:57Like, what's the newness in your life?
38:00Tell us about you so that way we know what we're working with because at the rodeo, when you and I did go to the friend group, I didn't get to connect with you and the girls.
38:11Allow me to apologize.
38:12I'm sorry.
38:13I don't want to overstep your, like, step on your toes, you know, like, by inviting her without, because you were the...
38:20You step on her friendship toes.
38:20No, no, hold on.
38:22Let's be clear.
38:23I think Shaniqua and I can both attest to the fact that we've communicated on Facebook probably 10 years ago.
38:29But as far as...
38:30It was not 10 years ago, girl.
38:31No, that's the truth.
38:32Am I right?
38:32Well...
38:33A decade is crazy.
38:34Here's the deal.
38:35You're in the business of PR.
38:37For sure.
38:37I've done business with you because you've connected me to events, people, places.
38:41I invited you to events.
38:43Absolutely.
38:43So let me ask you a better question.
38:45Is there a reason that you're trying to minimize it?
38:47Because I don't know if it was two months ago, six years ago, or 10 years ago.
38:5010 years ago is worth minimizing.
38:52If you met somebody 10 years ago, it's not like y'all friends yesterday.
38:55I never said I was her friend.
38:56It's not...
38:57I said I did business with her.
38:58I said she was an acquaintance of mine.
39:00But she came...
39:00But saying that you don't know somebody, I don't care if it was 20 years ago, it's crazy.
39:04She didn't say she didn't know you.
39:05Can you put her down?
39:06No, there's no hold on.
39:08Because right now, I feel like there's a character assassination.
39:10Oh, there's not...
39:11Because I meet people every single day.
39:13I have people come up to me every single day.
39:15Same.
39:15One thing I never do is try to minimize an interaction, because an interaction with someone,
39:19you never know what that meant to them.
39:21So when it comes to someone, there's someone connected with you on Facebook, and that's
39:27the last...
39:27I never connected with you on Facebook.
39:28You want to look it up?
39:29So that's okay, because I was prepared for you to treat me this way today.
39:32No, you don't need me to sit by you, Shaniqua, because I'm...
39:34No, I don't need help, honey.
39:35I got this.
39:36But what I do want to do is bring out the receipts.
39:40So there's no Facebook here.
39:42What in the FedEx Kinkos is this?
39:45Did she just pull out a binder?
39:46Is she pulling out paperwork?
39:48Like, what are you here to prove?
39:51This is communication via email.
39:53That says 2014.
39:54It doesn't matter the year.
39:56Do you know me or do you not?
39:59What the hell, Shaniqua?
40:01I may have told Shaniqua that Latoya didn't remember her, but that was not my intent, for
40:06her to bring receipts?
40:08Receipts from AOL?
40:10Really?
40:11Let me say this before there's any defensive layers.
40:14No, there's no defensive layers.
40:15So then we're going to chat.
40:16Bottom line is, we've interacted, and that's all that I've ever said.
40:19I don't know why you're trying to reduce that.
40:21She asked you questions, you're getting defensive.
40:23There is no question.
40:24She sent the emails.
40:25The emails came from her account.
40:26How you came with this ready already?
40:28Because it is my character that's being attacked.
40:30Don't know why she came with me to do this.
40:31It's my character that's being attacked.
40:32And I had a feeling.
40:34So you told her that before she got here?
40:36So how's she going to bring this in?
40:37This right here, this is crazy.
40:39You printed this out.
40:40There's nothing crazy about that.
40:41You printed this out.
40:422025, 2022, no, 2014.
40:47Here you go, girl.
40:48On the night of 2014, your ass text me on MySpace.
40:52Girl, what is we talking about?
40:54All right, Brad, I'm looking.
40:55Let's bring it down to her mom.
40:56That's the I'm talking about right here.
40:58There's no that you're talking about.
40:59It's a weird like this.
41:00Bitch, it's no weird.
41:01Bitch.
41:01Yeah.
41:02Yeah.
41:02Yeah.
41:02Yeah.
41:02Yeah.
41:02Yeah.
41:02Yeah.
41:02Yeah.
41:02Yeah.
41:02Yeah.
41:03Yeah.
41:03Yeah.
41:04Yeah.
41:04Yeah.
41:05Yeah.
41:06Yeah.
41:06Next time, you wish you look like this.
41:09Try again.
41:09Don't get me talking with this Timo wig on.
41:11I started with Niko.
41:12I don't know when the last time I told him I loved him.
41:15I'm doing a dinner thing with honoring 20 women.
41:18I have two ladies here that I would like to honor.
41:21Oh, that's awesome.
41:22Aw.
41:23We were just kind of talking about what happened at Mocha.
41:26Y'all were very mean to each other.
41:28It's not our best moment, bro.
41:29Are we going to live to see maybe one more?
41:31Yeah, but me calling you a weirdo and you calling me a bitch, it's two different things.
41:34I have one.
41:43Oh no.
41:44Oh.
41:46Oh.
41:46Oh, oh.
41:47There are these two battles.
41:47Oh, oh.
41:48Oh, oh.
41:49Oh, oh, yeah.
41:50Oh.
41:50Oh, oh, oh.
41:51Oh, oh, oh.
41:51Oh, oh.
41:52Oh.
41:53Oh, oh, oh, oh.
41:57Oh, oh, oh.
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