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Petra Clenell is charged with wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
Deborah Norton, John Hallam, Jonathan Elsom and Michael Johnson star.

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00:00:18Petra Klennell is charged with grievous bodily harm on her husband, Alan.
00:00:26The jury in this trial has been selected from members of the public,
00:00:29whose names appear on the electoral register and who are eligible for jury service.
00:00:33They will reach their own unscripted verdict.
00:00:36It is the prosecution's case that the accused is indeed guilty of the most vicious attack upon her husband.
00:00:41That her attack was sudden and violent, and that it ended with her husband falling to his knees, bloody and helpless.
00:00:48One moment, Mr Golding. What's wrong with the lights over there?
00:00:53My lord, apparently some of the fuses have blown due to a leak in the roof, the water seeping into some of the wires.
00:00:59An electrician is looking into the matter at the moment.
00:01:01Can the jury see any papers they may have to read?
00:01:04I believe they can, my lord.
00:01:06Oh, very well.
00:01:08The jury may well feel that they're in a somewhat dimly lit nightclub.
00:01:12But you may disillusion them, Mr Golding.
00:01:15My lord, with apologies for not sounding like Mr Frank Sinatra,
00:01:20the evidence will show that from the moment Alan Clennell arrived home on that evening of September the 17th,
00:01:26his wife, the accused, had but one thought, to inflict grievous wounds upon his body.
00:01:32Hello. Hi.
00:01:41You look tired.
00:01:42I didn't sleep very well.
00:01:44Would you like some coffee?
00:01:45No, I'm on after the opening speeches.
00:01:48I can get a cup from the machine.
00:01:49No, you go to the canteen, Joyce. I'll stay here.
00:01:52I'll wait until you're cold.
00:01:53Don't have to.
00:01:54I had breakfast before I left.
00:01:56You don't have to watch me. Treat me like an overgrown child.
00:02:00Don't play games.
00:02:02Putting me in the wrong.
00:02:03I wasn't.
00:02:05Where's Sally?
00:02:08Coming with her aunt.
00:02:10Alan, why are you so guilty?
00:02:13I didn't want this place seeping into her.
00:02:16What do you mean?
00:02:20My daughter Sally.
00:02:22I'm sorry she had to be involved.
00:02:25Didn't want her here any longer than necessary.
00:02:29Law courts.
00:02:30Hospitals.
00:02:31Churches.
00:02:32Points of crisis.
00:02:34Legal, physical, spiritual.
00:02:37They all smell.
00:02:39Dry aridity.
00:02:42Disinfectant.
00:02:43Damp earth.
00:02:45Someone's eyes.
00:02:46Someone's teeth.
00:02:48Someone's everything.
00:02:50Keep children away from that as long as possible.
00:02:54Innocence.
00:02:55That's the only quality worth anything.
00:02:59Innocence.
00:03:04Do you understand?
00:03:05Give it to me.
00:03:07What?
00:03:08The bottle.
00:03:09What I do is my own business.
00:03:11I warned you it's rare alcoholics can return to social drinking.
00:03:16I just want to steady myself.
00:03:17You're topping up.
00:03:18Don't treat me like an idiot.
00:03:19You're worse than my wife.
00:03:21Who has to pick up the pieces Alan?
00:03:23Nobody's asking you.
00:03:24Not this time.
00:03:25Mr. Alan Clenhall.
00:03:26Give it to me.
00:03:27You can't take it in with you, can you?
00:03:28Oh, come on.
00:03:29Give it to me.
00:03:30Derek Sisson's QC appears for the defence and Marcus Golding QC for the prosecution.
00:03:51Mr. Justice Ashley presides in the case of the Queen against Clenhall.
00:03:56What religion are you?
00:03:57Church of England.
00:03:58Take the Bible in your right hand.
00:04:00Read aloud the words on the card.
00:04:02I swear by almighty God that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
00:04:08You are Alan Clenhall and you live at Dean House Beryl Road, Folchester.
00:04:13That's right.
00:04:14And you are the husband of the accused.
00:04:16Yes.
00:04:17Now, will you please tell the court what occurred on the evening of September the 17th last year?
00:04:22I got home around nine.
00:04:24My wife was in the sitting room.
00:04:26There was a fire burning, a log fire.
00:04:28I said, that looks nice.
00:04:29My wife didn't reply.
00:04:31I thought, well I knew really, she was angry.
00:04:34Because she didn't answer you or greet you?
00:04:35That's right.
00:04:36And what had you done to make her angry?
00:04:38I phoned about six to say that I had to entertain some people, a Japanese business delegation.
00:04:44I told her I'd be home as soon as possible, but soon wasn't good enough.
00:04:48I should have gone straight home and lost my company half a million pounds worth of business.
00:04:53Then my wife would have been happy.
00:04:55Yes.
00:04:56You arrived home, your wife not speaking to you, and then what happened?
00:04:59I asked her where the children were.
00:05:02Of course, I knew they were in bed, but it's just something you say, isn't it?
00:05:06Did your wife reply this time?
00:05:08No, she didn't.
00:05:09She was watching the television with the sound turned down and listening to a record, Shostakovich V.
00:05:15It was very loud, so I turned it down and went into the kitchen to look for my supper.
00:05:20There was a dirty plate on the stove and a newspaper beside it with something wrapped in it.
00:05:25So I opened it, steak and courgettes, which I took to be my supper.
00:05:30Your wife had thrown it away?
00:05:31That's right.
00:05:32Were you surprised?
00:05:34No, this wasn't the first time it had happened.
00:05:37I went back into the room.
00:05:40Petra hadn't moved.
00:05:42I stood in the doorway and asked her why she'd thrown my supper away.
00:05:46She knelt on the floor.
00:05:48I hadn't noticed before, but there was some material and scissors and things.
00:05:52She'd been making something.
00:05:54She picked up the scissors and started to cut the cloth.
00:05:57And then she asked me why I was late.
00:05:59And I told her that I'd been with the Japanese delegation.
00:06:02Yes, this delegation was important, was it?
00:06:04Yes.
00:06:05I had absolutely no choice but to stay with them.
00:06:08And you explained this to your wife?
00:06:09That's right.
00:06:10How did she react?
00:06:11She stood up, came across the room with the scissors.
00:06:15Yes.
00:06:16Show him exhibit one, please.
00:06:19Now, are those the scissors, Mr. Kennel?
00:06:21Yes.
00:06:22Quite large, very sharp scissors for dressmaking.
00:06:25Now, will you please show us just how your wife was holding them?
00:06:30Like this?
00:06:31And she crossed the room holding them like that?
00:06:33Yes.
00:06:34Quite clearly she was coming towards you with an aggressive intention.
00:06:37There's absolutely no doubt about that.
00:06:39And what did you do?
00:06:40Nothing.
00:06:42You mean you didn't take any defensive action?
00:06:45Well, I told her to stop play-acting and turn to go out of the room.
00:06:48Wasn't that a bit unwise?
00:06:50Not really.
00:06:51We've been married for 16 years and we've had some pretty violent rows.
00:06:55Verbally violent, I mean.
00:06:56But we've never attacked each other.
00:06:57Never with a weapon.
00:06:59I just didn't believe that she would do it.
00:07:01Tried to stab me.
00:07:03I was totally unprepared for what she did.
00:07:05Yeah.
00:07:06Tell the court what happened then, please.
00:07:08I turned away from her to go upstairs.
00:07:11And I heard Petra scream.
00:07:13And I felt a pain in my right shoulder blade.
00:07:16To the side, just underneath.
00:07:18And then this searing pain down my back.
00:07:21Yes.
00:07:22My lord, I would like to refer to the medical report at this stage.
00:07:24Mr. Sessions?
00:07:25No objections, my lord.
00:07:26The report has been agreed.
00:07:27Well, have the jury got copies?
00:07:29They have, my lord.
00:07:31Oh, the print's rather small.
00:07:34Can they see to read?
00:07:36Yes, my lord.
00:07:37Oh, very well.
00:07:38The report states that the wound at the base of the right shoulder blade,
00:07:43although superficial, extended downward for six inches
00:07:46and required 12 stitches.
00:07:48Now, what were you wearing at that time, Mr. Clement?
00:07:50A shirt and a jacket.
00:07:52So the scissors penetrated both those garments and into your back?
00:07:55That's right.
00:07:56Yes.
00:07:57And your wife is quite a lightly built woman, isn't she?
00:07:59Yes.
00:08:00It must have been a pretty fierce lunge she made.
00:08:03Were you able to defend yourself after that blow?
00:08:06No, I felt rather stunned.
00:08:09I remember leaning against the doorpost for a moment,
00:08:12my eyes filled with water.
00:08:14I put my hand to my back under my jacket and felt my shirt all wet.
00:08:19The warmth of the blood trickling down.
00:08:22Then I heard Petra make some kind of a noise and I thought,
00:08:25if I don't move, she's going to kill me.
00:08:27So I turned with my arm out, ready, and I hit her away with me.
00:08:31With my left hand, I tried to grab the scissors, but she twisted out of my grasp.
00:08:36Then she struck at my chest.
00:08:38I stepped back and the scissors went into my side.
00:08:42I collapsed to my knees, caught Petra around the legs.
00:08:47She fell over screaming.
00:08:49Scissors went into my thigh.
00:08:52I had to pull them out.
00:08:54And did you hold on to them?
00:08:56No, I felt sick.
00:08:58I must have dropped them.
00:08:59I thought if I faint, I mustn't faint.
00:09:02So I stood up and started to go towards the door.
00:09:05Out of the corner of my eye, I saw Petra with the scissors again.
00:09:09I turned, caught her by the arm and started shouting at her,
00:09:12Are you mad? Are you mad?
00:09:13Trying to bring her round.
00:09:14And then I heard a cry from the door.
00:09:16I turned.
00:09:17It was my daughter Sally.
00:09:21Petra saw her and dropped the scissors.
00:09:24I tried to tell Sally to go to bed.
00:09:30But she started screaming.
00:09:33And then I blacked out.
00:09:35Yes.
00:09:36Did you attack your wife, Mr. Clannell?
00:09:38No.
00:09:39Did you do anything which she might have interpreted as an attack?
00:09:42Nothing.
00:09:43Absolutely nothing at all.
00:09:50On the night in question, you telephoned your wife at six, you said.
00:09:53That's right.
00:09:54And then you went to a pub.
00:09:55Club.
00:09:56Oh sorry, club.
00:09:57And what did you do?
00:09:58What do you mean?
00:09:59At the club.
00:10:00We had a drink.
00:10:01One.
00:10:02Singular.
00:10:03Not many.
00:10:04How many?
00:10:05I didn't count.
00:10:06Three, six, nine, fifteen, twenty.
00:10:09About three.
00:10:10Three.
00:10:11Three drinks in three to four hours.
00:10:13I arrived at the club at six o'clock and I left at eight o'clock.
00:10:16Your mathematics are a bit out.
00:10:18Ah.
00:10:19You left just after eight.
00:10:21How long a drive is it from your club to your home?
00:10:23Ten, fifteen minutes?
00:10:25About that.
00:10:26And you drove?
00:10:27I drove home, yes.
00:10:28So you left just after eight and then after this ten to fifteen minute drive you arrived home.
00:10:32That's right.
00:10:33Go the long way round, did you?
00:10:36Well, maybe I left nearer to eight thirty.
00:10:39And when you arrived home you asked if your children were in bed and they were.
00:10:43I've already said that, yes.
00:10:44Now what time does your daughter, your elder daughter, thirteen years of age, normally go to bed?
00:10:50I really don't know.
00:10:51I do.
00:10:52She doesn't normally go to bed until ten o'clock.
00:10:55This must have been an abnormal night.
00:10:57Oh yes, that it certainly was.
00:10:59Now, you didn't arrive at the casualty department of the hospital until ten thirty.
00:11:04But according to you, this alleged attack by your wife took place soon after you got home.
00:11:08Around about nine o'clock.
00:11:10Were you lying on the floor bleeding for an hour and a half?
00:11:14Maybe I got home a bit later.
00:11:16Closer to ten o'clock, perhaps.
00:11:19Well, I wasn't looking at the clock all night.
00:11:22So far from my mathematics being out, you may well have had three to four hours drinking time.
00:11:28Come to your point, Mr Sissons.
00:11:31Aye, Lord.
00:11:33I have here a list of patients admitted to Fullchester Hospital some eighteen months ago.
00:11:37You were a patient at that time, weren't you, Mr Kennell?
00:11:40You were in for some ten days with a course of detoxification.
00:11:43Am I correct?
00:11:44Yes.
00:11:45Before I go into the details of the events of September the 17th,
00:11:48I should like to ask you a few questions about this alcoholism of yours.
00:11:52Past alcoholism, I was cured.
00:11:55Gentlemen, we now seem to have lost all our lights.
00:12:00We will therefore adjourn for lunch and reassemble at two p.m.
00:12:04or when the fuses are mended, whichever's the later.
00:12:08All set.
00:12:09All set.
00:12:19You do admit to being an alcoholic?
00:12:22I was treated for alcoholism, yes.
00:12:24Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. Isn't that what they say?
00:12:27It isn't correct.
00:12:28You'd been drinking with the Japanese delegation.
00:12:31What? Spirits?
00:12:32What? Gin and tonics?
00:12:35Yes.
00:12:37Do you think it possible that during the conversation
00:12:39you drank more gin and tonics than you were aware of?
00:12:41No, I do not think it possible.
00:12:42I was sipping my drinks, enjoying my drinks, like any social drinker.
00:12:47You weren't drunk when you got home?
00:12:49I most certainly wasn't drunk.
00:12:50You weren't falling about, aggressive, abusive, violent.
00:12:53Alcoholics don't behave like that.
00:12:55But you've already told us you are no longer an alcoholic.
00:12:57I meant the man that has a drink every day knows what quantity he needs.
00:13:01He never drinks more than this and he doesn't get drunk.
00:13:04And you knew how much you could drink that particular evening?
00:13:07Yes.
00:13:08How much your body needed?
00:13:09I didn't need to drink.
00:13:10Then why were you drinking at all?
00:13:11You're twisting what I'm saying.
00:13:13But you were drinking.
00:13:14How many times? Yes, I was in a club drinking.
00:13:18One drink too many, 21 not enough. Isn't that what they say?
00:13:21Who are the magical they?
00:13:22I thought alcoholics weren't supposed to drink.
00:13:24They're not.
00:13:25But you're different.
00:13:26But you were drinking.
00:13:27As a company director it is necessary for me to entertain directors from other companies.
00:13:33Well this club of yours, don't they sell orange juice?
00:13:35Have you never heard of tonic water?
00:13:36Yes, I suppose they do.
00:13:37But you were drinking.
00:13:39Oh my lord, this constant repetition of the same questions over and over again is tedious and unnecessary and very trying for the witness.
00:13:45Yes, Mr. Sissons, you have rather labelled the point.
00:13:48My lord, now there are some unlucky people for whom alcohol is a poison.
00:13:54It reduces them to a state of helpless addiction.
00:13:57Hence the saying, one drink too many, 21 not enough.
00:14:00What have you got to say to that?
00:14:02After my treatment 18 months ago I was abstinent for over one year.
00:14:07You can't go from being an alcoholic to a social drinker overnight.
00:14:10I'm sure every abstinent alcoholic cherishes the lingering hope that he may one day be able to return to normal social drinking.
00:14:17I wonder how often that actually happens.
00:14:19Not often, but it can and does happen sometimes.
00:14:22Hmm.
00:14:23This spell in hospital 18 months ago, it wasn't your first, was it?
00:14:27No.
00:14:28You were first treated six years ago, weren't you?
00:14:30You seem to have all the answers.
00:14:32Would you tell us about that treatment?
00:14:34How does that matter bear upon this case?
00:14:37Oh my lord, it is of paramount importance.
00:14:39Without an explanation and an exploration of the past, this court will be ill-equipped to make any assessment of what actually happened on September 8th.
00:14:46Oh very well.
00:14:49How did you come to be admitted to the hospital?
00:14:52I was in a car accident. I broke my leg and I was in for ten days.
00:14:56So you didn't go in for treatment for your drinking?
00:14:58Nobody knew about it.
00:15:00Well how did they find out?
00:15:01After three days I started to get the DTs.
00:15:06Delirium tremors.
00:15:08Would you explain that condition to us?
00:15:11It's a sort of disorientation.
00:15:14I began not to know where I was.
00:15:17I thought the nurses were waitresses.
00:15:20I thought I was in a bistro that I often use.
00:15:23I started calling the doctors by the names of the Italian waiters.
00:15:27Of course they wouldn't serve me.
00:15:29So I'd get angry.
00:15:30Then I'd laugh.
00:15:32And offer everybody a drink.
00:15:34But the drinks never came.
00:15:36And when you don't know where you are, there's a mood of apprehension.
00:15:42Nothing stays solid but is solid.
00:15:48I remember I was told there was a clock on the wall.
00:15:52And I was asked to tell the doctor the time.
00:15:55I told him.
00:15:57Later when I recovered I remembered this incident and the clock quite clearly.
00:16:03But the wall was bare.
00:16:06I asked the doctor.
00:16:09Where's the blue clock with the white face and the black dials?
00:16:15He told me it had only existed in my imagination.
00:16:20And later when you were on your own trying to pick things up.
00:16:26Imaginary things.
00:16:28Burning cigarettes, cards, bed bugs.
00:16:32Big black bed bugs.
00:16:36I saw that clock as clearly as I can see you.
00:16:41And how long did this go on?
00:16:43Two days.
00:16:45One night and one morning.
00:16:48Going into two days.
00:16:50And this disorientation, did it get worse?
00:16:53Much worse.
00:16:55Much worse.
00:16:57How did it get worse?
00:17:00Being threatened on all sides.
00:17:03Fighting off attackers.
00:17:05Strangers with no faces.
00:17:08All eyes.
00:17:10You started hallucinating.
00:17:12Horses racing at great speed.
00:17:15Hands on the steering wheel.
00:17:18Cornering visors spattered with blood.
00:17:21Huge, great flying beetles circling around my head.
00:17:27Every so often trying to get their pincer claws into my eyes.
00:17:33Blankets.
00:17:35Coming over my chest.
00:17:38Trying to get over my face.
00:17:41To cover my mouth.
00:17:47More blankets.
00:17:48Coming across the floor.
00:17:50The blankets were crawling across the floor.
00:17:53Trying to suffocate me.
00:17:55And more and more huge flying beetles going around my head.
00:18:00If only I could get my head under the blankets.
00:18:06Because you couldn't because they would have suffocated you.
00:18:09I do quite well, Mr. Clennell.
00:18:18Yes.
00:18:19Won't you take a drink of water?
00:18:24Or would you prefer a gin and tonic?
00:18:27My lord, such a remark is totally honorable.
00:18:29Yes, I quite agree, Mr. Sissons.
00:18:31That is a most improper remark.
00:18:33I apologize, my lord.
00:18:35You should know better.
00:18:37Except that my case is that it's true.
00:18:40If that were so, you should have waited and put the question properly when the witness had refreshed himself.
00:18:47You may continue, but I warn you not to test my patience.
00:18:52Very well, my lord.
00:18:56Would you tell us what happened next?
00:18:59The doctor came, didn't he?
00:19:01I thought he was going to kill me.
00:19:02I told him to get it over with.
00:19:05But they put me on drugs.
00:19:07And the hallucinations went?
00:19:09Yes, they did.
00:19:11Why are you so nervous now, Mr. Clennell?
00:19:14I'm not. I'm not nervous.
00:19:16Nervous and jumpy, I would have said.
00:19:17You weren't nervous at the start of this cross-examination.
00:19:19My lord, the witness has been dragged over what must have been an emotional and disturbing experience.
00:19:24I suggest that a brief adjournment would be appropriate for him to recover a little.
00:19:29Are you able to continue, Mr. Clennell?
00:19:32Yes.
00:19:34Very well.
00:19:35You may proceed, Mr. Silvers.
00:19:38In your evidence in chief, you said to my learned friend, with reference to your wife,
00:19:42we've had some violent rows, verbal violence.
00:19:45We've never attacked one another, never with a weapon.
00:19:48Why did you say never with a weapon?
00:19:50It was an expression.
00:19:52Perhaps you attacked one another with your fists?
00:19:55No, certainly not.
00:19:56Or your forehead.
00:19:57What?
00:19:58What do you mean?
00:19:59I'm talking about two years ago when you broke your wife's nose.
00:20:02Oh, come on, that was at a dance.
00:20:04We were dancing and we bumped our heads.
00:20:06My forehead hit her nose.
00:20:08There was never any question of me hitting her.
00:20:10It was a total accident.
00:20:11But you were in one of your drinking states at the time, weren't you?
00:20:14Yes.
00:20:15And you'd had a row, hadn't you, about her looking at another man?
00:20:18Not a row, exactly.
00:20:19One of the manifestations of your drinking is irrational jealousy, isn't it?
00:20:22I do get jealous.
00:20:23You don't trust your wife, do you?
00:20:25You think she plays around?
00:20:26No, I do not.
00:20:27Only when you've been drinking heavily, is that it?
00:20:29And I suggest that you had been drinking heavily on September the 17th.
00:20:32And that in a moment of insane and irrational jealousy, you attacked your wife and threatened to kill her.
00:20:37She stabbed me!
00:20:38I suggest that you had her pressed against the wall and were trying to strangle her.
00:20:41And that she, in terror, put her arm around your back and stabbed you with a downward thrust that caused that wound.
00:20:46No, that's not true, that's not true.
00:20:48I think I have to tell you what really happened, the words that were spoken that night.
00:20:51She came across the room and she said to me that I'd ruined her life.
00:20:55That she was brighter than me and who'd always been.
00:20:57She said she was finished with me.
00:20:59That she'd had enough.
00:21:01Drunk or sober, she'd had enough.
00:21:03She wishes to God she'd never carried my children.
00:21:11I leant against the door and I cried.
00:21:14And then she struck out!
00:21:21Do you mind putting your hands out in front of you?
00:21:24What?
00:21:26Your hands, like this.
00:21:27Put them out in front of you.
00:21:29What for?
00:21:30You must do as the Defending Council asks.
00:21:33Why?
00:21:35Why should I?
00:21:36Why are you so scared, Mr. Clennell?
00:21:38I'm not scared.
00:21:39You're suffering from what is commonly known as the shakes, aren't you?
00:21:46One drink and you'll be perfectly all right.
00:21:48You now have a physiological need for alcohol.
00:21:50You're once more addicted.
00:21:51Your dream of social drinking hasn't worked, has it?
00:21:55It wasn't that night.
00:21:56It only started later.
00:21:58In the last weeks.
00:22:01When my wife took out divorce proceedings.
00:22:04I love her.
00:22:05And is that why you're cross-petitioning for divorce?
00:22:09I love her.
00:22:12Life with her is impossible.
00:22:15Life without her is impossible.
00:22:18That sounds like a form of hell.
00:22:23It is.
00:22:24Of your own making.
00:22:26You must live in it alone.
00:22:27Mr. Clennell.
00:22:32Before your first treatment for alcoholism six years ago.
00:22:36How long had you been drinking heavily?
00:22:38About eight or nine years.
00:22:40And in all that time, had you ever laid a finger on your wife?
00:22:44No.
00:22:46What is that?
00:22:48Lord, the builders repairing the roof.
00:22:50They were told they could start at 4.15 as the court would be adjourned.
00:22:53Well, we can't compete with that.
00:22:56We will adjourn now.
00:22:58We will meet tomorrow at 10 o'clock.
00:23:01Prompt.
00:23:02All set.
00:23:03The cases in Forchester are fictitious.
00:23:04Join us again tomorrow when the Queen against Clennell will be resumed in the Crown Court.
00:23:17The cases in Forchester are fictitious.
00:23:18Join us again tomorrow when the Queen against Clennell will be resumed in the Crown Court.
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00:23:48Petra Clennell is charged with wounding her husband Alan with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
00:23:52Yesterday, under cross-examination, Alan admitted to having been treated twice in the past for his alcoholism.
00:23:57Mr. Clennell, were you drunk the night your wife attacked you?
00:24:01No, I felt tired, drained.
00:24:04It had been a long day,
00:24:05and a lot depended upon me selling ideas to the Japanese delegation.
00:24:09Quite.
00:24:10Now, I want you to think very carefully about my next question,
00:24:12because you might well deceive yourself.
00:24:15Were you on the road back to alcoholism on that night?
00:24:20Yes, I was.
00:24:22I didn't think I was, but...
00:24:25Yes.
00:24:26And did this make you aggressive?
00:24:28No, I was tired.
00:24:30And during those previous years of alcoholism,
00:24:32did you ever hit your wife?
00:24:34Never.
00:24:35Or your children?
00:24:37I don't even shout at them.
00:24:39I hide my drinking habits from them, of course.
00:24:42Look, I first started drinking heavily when I was made a company director.
00:24:46I found I couldn't communicate without drink.
00:24:48If I had to stand up and make a proposal to the board,
00:24:51I'd get a pain in my stomach and feel weak.
00:24:54But I found if I had a few drinks before,
00:24:58I'd have more drive, more confidence.
00:25:00I drank for confidence,
00:25:02not to indulge in any grandiose behavior or mad jealousy.
00:25:06I think my drinking is due to weakness.
00:25:11A weak will, if you like.
00:25:13It may be weak.
00:25:15But I am aware of myself.
00:25:17And I do love my wife.
00:25:19But I think that that night she saw that I was on the road back to alcoholism.
00:25:27Exactly.
00:25:28I have no further questions, my lord.
00:25:30Does your lordship have any?
00:25:31No.
00:25:31Alan Clennell has just finished giving his evidence.
00:25:34His wife, Petra Clennell, has been charged with wounding
00:25:37with intent to cause him grievous bodily harm.
00:25:39When he arrived home late one night after entertaining a business delegation,
00:25:44it is alleged she attacked and stabbed him with a pair of scissors.
00:25:47I call Sally Clennell.
00:25:49Sally Clennell.
00:25:50The daughter of the accused has been called to give evidence for the crown.
00:25:54Miss Sally, you're going to be asked some questions.
00:26:10Yes.
00:26:10And you must answer them truthfully, do you understand?
00:26:13I must tell the truth or be struck down.
00:26:16Yes, yes.
00:26:17Well, you must tell the truth.
00:26:19You see, sometimes we tell half-truths.
00:26:22We make up our own truth.
00:26:24But you mustn't do that today, even if you find it painful.
00:26:28Do you understand that?
00:26:30Yes, I mustn't distort the truth.
00:26:32I mustn't be prejudiced one way or the other.
00:26:35Yes.
00:26:35Well, I think you understand very well.
00:26:39Will you repeat these words after me?
00:26:42May I read them myself, please?
00:26:44Yes.
00:26:45Take the Bible in your right hand.
00:26:47Sir, by Almighty God, that the evidence I shall give
00:26:50shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
00:26:52You are Sally Clennell, and you are at present living with your father
00:26:57at Dean House, Beryl Road, Fulchester.
00:27:01Yes.
00:27:01Yes.
00:27:01Now, Sally, I want you to tell the court, in your own words,
00:27:04what happened on the night of September the 17th last year.
00:27:09Well, I spent the evening packing,
00:27:11because the following day I was going on a school trip to Paris.
00:27:14I went to bed quite early.
00:27:16Yes, what time was that?
00:27:17I don't remember exactly, but it was before ten.
00:27:19I was supposed to be leaving the house at seven.
00:27:22I didn't go in the end.
00:27:24No.
00:27:24Now, when you went to bed, did you go to sleep?
00:27:27No, I was too excited.
00:27:28I lay there reading.
00:27:30Then I heard Daddy.
00:27:31Yes.
00:27:31What exactly did you hear?
00:27:32His voice in the front door bang.
00:27:34And what did he say?
00:27:36Hello, where is everyone?
00:27:38How did he sound?
00:27:40Loud.
00:27:41Because there was no one in the hall.
00:27:42He was calling.
00:27:43Yes.
00:27:44What sort of tone did he use?
00:27:46Was he in a good mood?
00:27:47My lord, my friend was leading the witness.
00:27:50Or, as I was about to add, was he in a bad mood?
00:27:54You left rather a long pause.
00:27:57My lord.
00:27:58You must answer the question, Sally.
00:28:01He sounded quite happy.
00:28:04Then what happened?
00:28:05I heard Mummy shouting at him.
00:28:07And could you hear what she was saying?
00:28:09No.
00:28:10What did you do?
00:28:11I put my hands over my ears.
00:28:13Your mother's shouting, disturbed?
00:28:15It stopped me reading.
00:28:17I mean, it made you unhappy?
00:28:19I hate it when they quarrel.
00:28:21Oh, you mean they quarrel often?
00:28:22My lord.
00:28:23I'll rephrase that question.
00:28:26Had they quarrelled before?
00:28:28Often.
00:28:29But your parents do, don't they?
00:28:32How long did you hold your hands over your ears?
00:28:35Until I heard my mother scream out.
00:28:38Then there was banging and I turned over, but it went on.
00:28:41Then I went down.
00:28:42You went into the sitting room?
00:28:44Yes.
00:28:44And you saw your parents there?
00:28:46Yes.
00:28:47Now tell us what you saw, Sally.
00:28:50Daddy was standing in the middle of the room and Mummy was holding the scissors.
00:28:54She was attacking him.
00:28:55He was swaying as if he was very tired.
00:28:58He told Mummy to put the scissors down.
00:28:59He said she'd done enough already.
00:29:01Then he saw me and he turned and told me to go to bed.
00:29:04And then he fell down and there was blood on his hands.
00:29:07Thank you, Sally.
00:29:08I have no further questions.
00:29:10Please, can I go now?
00:29:11Well, Sally, I think you've been very brave.
00:29:15It cannot be very pleasant to have to recall what happened.
00:29:19But, you know, it's most important that the counsel for the defence should have a chance to ask you some questions.
00:29:30Sally, I shall ask you as few questions as I possibly can.
00:29:33And then I just want to go over what you've said.
00:29:35Now, you heard your father call out and then the front door bang.
00:29:39A moment later you heard your mother screaming.
00:29:41Is that correct?
00:29:42Yes.
00:29:43And that all happened very quickly?
00:29:45Yes.
00:29:45But you see, your father has told us that he went into the sitting room
00:29:49and then he went into the kitchen to look for his supper
00:29:51and then he went back into the sitting room.
00:29:54So it can't have all happened at once.
00:29:57No.
00:29:58I see.
00:29:59There was a bit of a pause.
00:30:01Yes.
00:30:02Now, in that pause, before you put your hands over your ears,
00:30:05that was when your mother screamed, wasn't it?
00:30:07Yes.
00:30:08Did you hear any banging in the kitchen?
00:30:11I think so.
00:30:12A sort of angry banging?
00:30:14I don't think so.
00:30:16Did you hear your father shout out,
00:30:17Where's my supper?
00:30:19He might have done.
00:30:20But when your mother screamed out, your father was silent?
00:30:23Yes.
00:30:25When your mother and father had rows, were they always one-sided?
00:30:28I don't understand.
00:30:30Was your father too cowardly to answer back?
00:30:33No, he shouted back.
00:30:35But on this evening, you only heard your mother shouting?
00:30:38Yes.
00:30:39Perhaps your father was a bit frightened of your mother.
00:30:41You didn't hear him, he didn't raise his voice.
00:30:43He said something.
00:30:45Said what?
00:30:45He shouted back.
00:30:46What did he shout?
00:30:48I couldn't hear what they were shouting.
00:30:49Because you had your hands over your ears?
00:30:52Yes.
00:30:53Because your parents were quarreling?
00:30:55Yes.
00:30:56Anyway, you heard your father sticking up for himself.
00:30:59Yes.
00:31:00You have to put my daughter through this!
00:31:02God forgive you for letting them!
00:31:04That will do.
00:31:05You will be silent.
00:31:06That's my daughter.
00:31:08She's not old enough to play your games!
00:31:11You will be silent.
00:31:12You will not shout from the dock again.
00:31:15Is that clear?
00:31:15Now, when you went downstairs, you saw your mother attacking your father.
00:31:24Is that correct?
00:31:25Yes, she was trying to stab him with the scissors.
00:31:28Wasn't your father doing anything to defend himself?
00:31:30He was trying to get the scissors.
00:31:32You mean they were struggling with each other?
00:31:34Yes.
00:31:35And then your father saw you?
00:31:37I screamed.
00:31:38He turned to you?
00:31:39Told me to go to bed.
00:31:41And what did your mother do?
00:31:43What did your mother do?
00:31:44Did she plunge the scissors into your father?
00:31:47You say she was trying to.
00:31:48Your father had turned to you.
00:31:49Now was her chance.
00:31:50What did she do?
00:31:51She dropped the scissors.
00:31:52You didn't see your father stabbed at all, did you?
00:31:57No.
00:31:57All that happened before you went down, didn't it?
00:32:00Yes.
00:32:01So what you actually saw, all you saw, was your mother and father struggling with each other?
00:32:07She stabbed Daddy!
00:32:10You love your father, don't you?
00:32:12Yes.
00:32:13Yes, of course you do.
00:32:14You've already told us he hardly ever shouts at you or your sister.
00:32:17He never does.
00:32:18I expect your mother shouts.
00:32:20Sometimes.
00:32:21Tells you off, tells you what to do.
00:32:23Warns you that she'll tell your father.
00:32:25He never does anything.
00:32:26But you don't see him very often, do you?
00:32:28At work all day, home late most nights.
00:32:31He leaves presents for the morning sometimes.
00:32:35Sally, why did you tell us that you saw your mother attacking your father?
00:32:39Thought she was.
00:32:41Because your mother does all the telling off and your father brings the presents.
00:32:45You've been doing what his lordship warned you not to do.
00:32:48Seeing the truth as you wanted to, haven't you?
00:32:56Do you love your mother, Sally?
00:32:59Yes.
00:33:00Yes.
00:33:01And you do understand that even if your mother and father were fighting with each other,
00:33:04your father wouldn't be in any trouble.
00:33:06You've nothing to cover up for.
00:33:08Do you understand?
00:33:08I thought he was staggering and blood and mummy was white and her mouth was so angry and the scissors.
00:33:17It was terrible.
00:33:20Does your lordship have any questions?
00:33:22Oh, no.
00:33:23Thank you, Sally.
00:33:24You may go now.
00:33:25There's no need for you to stay in court.
00:33:27Is there someone to take her home?
00:33:29Her aunt, my lord.
00:33:30You've been very brave, Sally.
00:33:35No matter what psychological harm it's done to her.
00:33:39I warn you for the last time.
00:33:42I wouldn't like to have to finish this case in your absence.
00:33:45But if we have any further outbursts, I shall have no other course left open to me.
00:33:51Now, is that understood?
00:34:06Would you explain what your relationship with the Clennell family was?
00:34:10I'm a counsellor working at Forchester Alcoholic Centre.
00:34:13Just over a year and a half ago, Alan Clennell's doctor referred him to the centre.
00:34:17I interviewed Alan and after a spell in hospital for detoxification, I became his individual counsellor.
00:34:24Will you now explain your involvement in the events of September the 17th of last year?
00:34:28Well, it was sometime after nine when Petra Clennell phoned.
00:34:31I had already gone to bed with a bad headache, but she sounded hysterical.
00:34:35So I said that I'd go straight over and asked if it had something to do with Alan.
00:34:38And why did you ask that?
00:34:40Well, it was her husband's alcoholism which first brought me into contact with the Clennell,
00:34:43so it seemed a reasonable assumption.
00:34:45She said,
00:34:48I've stabbed him, I've stabbed Alan, I've lost control.
00:34:51And those were her exact words.
00:34:52I've stabbed Alan, I lost control.
00:34:55Yes.
00:34:55I got into my car and drove straight round to their house.
00:34:58You didn't telephone for an ambulance or the police?
00:35:01Oh, no, my lord.
00:35:02She was hysterical.
00:35:03I thought that she was probably exaggerating.
00:35:05And I thought it best to keep the police out if possible.
00:35:08They don't like getting involved in domestic situations.
00:35:10Perhaps I should have called a doctor, but in the panic, I did feel some panic.
00:35:15Well, I threw my clothes on and drove straight round there.
00:35:18It took me about five minutes.
00:35:20Petra answered the door.
00:35:21She wasn't altogether coherent.
00:35:23But I gathered that Alan had started drinking again and that it had all been too much for her.
00:35:28Well, I found him slumped in a chair in the sitting room.
00:35:31I looked at his wounds and called an ambulance straight away.
00:35:35He'd already lost quite a lot of blood and I thought the wound in his back might be serious.
00:35:39The wounds in his thigh and side needed stitching, but it was the back wound that worried me.
00:35:43Did Alan Clennell say anything to him at that time?
00:35:46Oh, nothing at all, until the following morning when I went to see him in the hospital.
00:35:50Then he told me his wife had attacked him and he said...
00:35:52Wait a minute, Mrs. Murray.
00:35:54That is hearsay evidence.
00:35:57We are only interested in what you saw and heard, not what you were told.
00:36:01I'm sorry.
00:36:02Did Mrs. Clennell tell you what...
00:36:04One moment, Mr. Golding.
00:36:06When you arrived at the house, the accused said that her husband had been drinking again.
00:36:17Now, did you understand her to mean by that that she thought he'd relapsed into alcoholism again?
00:36:22Yes, she did, my lord.
00:36:23And in your opinion, was that true?
00:36:26I don't think that an alcoholic can return to normal social drinking.
00:36:30Are you saying that what his wife said was correct?
00:36:32I believe that without counselling, his social drinking was breaking down.
00:36:35Hmm, I see.
00:36:36Now, what do you mean by alcoholism?
00:36:41Presumably, you have some definition?
00:36:43Well, that isn't easy and no single definition can give you the whole picture.
00:36:47But having put that qualification, I would say that an alcoholic is someone who is physiologically and psychologically dependent upon alcohol and doing himself harm.
00:36:56Well, alcoholism has been referred throughout this case.
00:37:00I think it would be instructive if you could tell us a little more about the condition.
00:37:06Well, it's generally thought that the drunk who staggers about smelling of whiskey and singing Danny Boy is the alcoholic type.
00:37:13Well, that just isn't true.
00:37:15Well, the vast majority are lonely and quite anonymous.
00:37:19Television concentrates on the pathetic, vagrant alcoholic.
00:37:23You see, the BBC's Edna the Inebriate Woman isn't representative.
00:37:27The media paint a highly dramatic picture.
00:37:29Today's cases become highly dramatic.
00:37:31But I find that at least a third of the people who come to see me are shy and inhibited by basic nature.
00:37:38But, of course, there are various types of alcoholism.
00:37:40Can you explain to us what type Alan Kennel falls into?
00:37:47Well, often the drinking patterns overlap, but Alan was more or less in the regular and restrained pattern.
00:37:53This type drinks regularly every day, but although his capacity might be a bottle of whiskey a day, he doesn't lose control.
00:37:59Well, are you saying that this type is never violent?
00:38:02Oh, I'm not using it in that sense.
00:38:04Not control of his feelings, of his emotions.
00:38:07I'm talking about not losing control of the amount that he drinks.
00:38:11You see, if his needs are a bottle of whiskey a day, he will rarely go above that or even get drunk.
00:38:19There's no reaching under the bed in the middle of the night, because there's a high level of alcohol in the blood from the day before.
00:38:25But he does need that morning drink to keep the level right.
00:38:28So, once the alcohol in the blood drops to a certain level, the regular drinker will begin to feel withdrawn, and he'll need to top it up again.
00:38:37So it's a regular topping-up process throughout the day.
00:38:40I see.
00:38:41Well, thank you.
00:38:42Mr. Golding?
00:38:44Yes.
00:38:45Now, where were we?
00:38:47Where were we?
00:38:49We had just arrived at the house and telephoned for an ambulance.
00:38:53I'm indebted to your logic.
00:38:55Uh, whilst you were waiting for the ambulance, did Mrs. Clennell tell you what had happened?
00:39:01No, she didn't. Her daughter was there.
00:39:03Now, did Mr. Clennell show any sign of aggression at any point?
00:39:07None whatsoever.
00:39:08Now, when the ambulance arrived, what happened?
00:39:10I went with it.
00:39:12Mrs. Clennell didn't wish to go?
00:39:14I didn't ask her.
00:39:16Now, why was that?
00:39:17I didn't have a very good relationship with her.
00:39:19On what occasions had you met her?
00:39:22At the individual counselling sessions with Alan.
00:39:24The wife is included, is she?
00:39:26Oh, absolutely.
00:39:27Counselling can't be effective without both partners.
00:39:29The other partner's understanding is most important.
00:39:32And did you find the accused understanding?
00:39:34Not at all.
00:39:36At first, Alan didn't want her there, but I insisted.
00:39:38Yes.
00:39:39In what way did you find the accused unhelpful?
00:39:41Well, she enjoyed cutting Alan down.
00:39:44She said things like he'd been indulged by too many people.
00:39:47She had a great resentment towards him.
00:39:49Yes, and how did he take this resentment from his wife?
00:39:52He took it all quietly, philosophically.
00:39:55He never became violent?
00:39:56He isn't a violent man.
00:39:58And what about when he's in this state of alcohol?
00:40:01Oh, it doesn't change his temperament.
00:40:03I mean, it gives him more confidence, yes.
00:40:05But basically, he's the same kind, considerate person.
00:40:08Listen, you'd never know he'd been drinking
00:40:10except for a slight slowing down in a more positive manner.
00:40:13Yes.
00:40:14Now, were you surprised when the accused telephoned
00:40:16and said that she had stabbed her husband?
00:40:19No, I wasn't.
00:40:20And why was that?
00:40:22Well, at the counselling sessions,
00:40:25she had shown a violent temper.
00:40:28Alan once told me that there was a cure open to him
00:40:31to throw his job in and to leave his wife.
00:40:35This was after a session when she'd threatened to kill him.
00:40:38Did you tell Alan Clennell to leave his wife?
00:40:47I would never do a thing like that.
00:40:48We merely discussed the possibilities open to him.
00:40:50Does your job usually extend to giving that sort of advice?
00:40:54I did not tell him what to do,
00:40:55but it was obvious that they were destroying each other.
00:40:58But counsellors can't give that kind of specific advice.
00:41:01Forgive my ignorance, Mrs Murray.
00:41:03Oh, it is Mrs Murray, isn't it?
00:41:06Yes.
00:41:07But I believe you're divorced.
00:41:09Yes.
00:41:10And living alone at present.
00:41:12Yes.
00:41:13My lord, I'm not happy with this innuendo.
00:41:15If my learned friend has a point, I wish he would make it.
00:41:17Innuendo?
00:41:18My lord, I'm not trying to imply anything.
00:41:21I was merely trying to get the record straight.
00:41:22If you're suggesting that there was something between Alan Clennell and myself,
00:41:25then you are wrong.
00:41:27Obviously, I had and still have a relationship with him,
00:41:30not an acquaintanceship.
00:41:32When you counsel a man in dire need of help,
00:41:34you become involved.
00:41:35But that involvement is professional therapist to patient.
00:41:41However, what I was going to ask was,
00:41:43what sort of people become alcoholic counsellors?
00:41:47Stable individuals who are able to empathise with the patient
00:41:50and who are able to take charge without making the patient feel uneasy.
00:41:53And what qualities are necessary?
00:41:55Well, you have to be able to ask the right kind of questions,
00:41:58know the various types of alcoholism,
00:41:59and make a diagnosis before you decide on the treatment necessary.
00:42:03What sort of questions?
00:42:05I go into the alcoholic history,
00:42:07the personality and environment of the individual,
00:42:09both current and background,
00:42:10and then eventually you put all these aspects together.
00:42:13And what qualifications?
00:42:16Do you mean have I got?
00:42:18That'll do.
00:42:20Well, apart from personal experience,
00:42:22I have for some time been involved in medical social work.
00:42:27And because of my interest in alcoholism,
00:42:29I attended a concentrated educational course,
00:42:31and then a second, more advanced course.
00:42:33Were these full-time courses?
00:42:35Full-time courses.
00:42:36How long did they last?
00:42:37They were residential summer courses,
00:42:38lasting one week each.
00:42:40So from these two weeks' training,
00:42:42you're able to make all these decisions you're talking about.
00:42:45I am also doing an extramural course in social psychiatry.
00:42:49But you're not a psychiatrist, are you?
00:42:51No.
00:42:51Isn't that what the alcoholic needs?
00:42:53In the past, it was thought by some that alcoholism was a condition
00:42:56secondary to an identifiable neurosis or psychosis.
00:43:01But at least two-thirds of the people who come to see us are uncomplicated.
00:43:04Their personality problems and neurotic behaviour are as a result of their drinking,
00:43:08not the cause of their drinking.
00:43:10But if an individual with a gross personality defect comes to us,
00:43:13then of course we send him to a psychiatrist.
00:43:15But Alan Clennell has a personality defect, doesn't he?
00:43:19Wouldn't you call him a neurotic drinker?
00:43:21I did say that the patterns overlap.
00:43:24He started drinking because he couldn't cope with his job.
00:43:26He couldn't stay on top of it without drinking.
00:43:28But drinking caused the deterioration in his relationship with his wife.
00:43:31That was his main problem. He conquered the job problem.
00:43:34And as far as his wife was concerned,
00:43:37I thought it was up to you to see the wife's point of view as well.
00:43:40I tried very hard, but she was suspicious.
00:43:43But isn't that natural?
00:43:44You listened to her husband.
00:43:46You made no judgments, just listened.
00:43:49She began to feel that she were the guilty one.
00:43:51I tried, but she wouldn't give.
00:43:53Because she felt her husband should be doing the giving, not herself.
00:43:56I thought he stood more of a chance on his own.
00:43:58Perhaps I was wrong.
00:44:00I suggest, Mrs. Murray, that you stretched yourself too far with this case.
00:44:05That Alan Clennell should have consulted a psychiatrist.
00:44:08Then we beg to differ.
00:44:11At your counselling sessions, he listened to his wife's recriminations.
00:44:15And I defy anyone to live with an alcoholic for 15 years and not recriminate.
00:44:19He listened in silence.
00:44:20He didn't respond with open anger.
00:44:23And I suggest that is why your counselling didn't work.
00:44:25He drank to relieve that tension that had built up.
00:44:29And it's true, isn't it, that before such men achieve peace, there is a stage when social control goes.
00:44:34When intoxication dispels the timidity and the caution.
00:44:37It's the Jekyll and Hyde syndrome, isn't it?
00:44:39And it's in fact quite likely that it was Alan Clennell who struck out and tried to destroy his wife that night.
00:44:44And that she defended herself against a wild animal.
00:44:47But Tim and Ben who do such things under the power of alcohol are full of remorse the following morning.
00:44:51They can't live with themselves.
00:44:52If Alan had done such a thing, he'd be full of guilt, not accusing his wife of attacking him.
00:44:56When you arrived at the house, he didn't speak to you?
00:45:01No, he was in a state of shock.
00:45:03Are you sure it wasn't a state of alcoholic amnesia?
00:45:06Yes, I'm sure.
00:45:07And you're convinced that he remembers the events of that evening, are you?
00:45:10His wife told me when she phoned up.
00:45:13She said, I've stabbed Alan, I lost control.
00:45:17But you said that she was hysterical.
00:45:20She was.
00:45:21Well, then what she was saying must have been a jumble, words through sobs and hysteria.
00:45:24Some of it made sense.
00:45:26But what if she'd said, I stabbed Alan, lost control?
00:45:30But that's practically the same thing.
00:45:32No, no, no, not quite the same thing.
00:45:34Perhaps she said he lost control.
00:45:37Perhaps you didn't quite catch the first word
00:45:39and you fill in with one that fitted in with what you wanted to believe.
00:45:43Wanted to believe?
00:45:45You have been asked to give evidence in the court and passed, haven't you?
00:45:48Yes.
00:45:49And you've been subpoenaed?
00:45:50Yes.
00:45:51But you didn't appear?
00:45:53No.
00:45:53Why not?
00:45:54The relationship with the patient is confidential.
00:45:59You would never give evidence against a patient, would you?
00:46:03That would betray a trust, wouldn't it?
00:46:05That shows an admirable trait in your character, Mrs Muddy.
00:46:09It also shows why you're prepared to believe the iniquitous charges against this innocent woman.
00:46:14The case is in Fortester are fictitious.
00:46:35Join us again tomorrow when the Queen against Clennell will be concluded in the Crown Court.
00:46:39Petra Clennell is on trial on a charge of wounding
00:47:08with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
00:47:10Her husband, Alan Clennell, has claimed that his wife attacked and stabbed him three times
00:47:14with a large pair of scissors.
00:47:16The prosecution case closed with the evidence of Mrs Joyce Murray,
00:47:20a counsellor at the Fullchester Alcoholic Centre, where Alan Clennell has been a patient.
00:47:24She told the court how she was telephoned by Petra Clennell,
00:47:27who was hysterical and shouting,
00:47:29I've stabbed my husband, I lost control.
00:47:32Today the defence start their case,
00:47:34and Petra Clennell will have her chance of putting her version of what happened that night.
00:47:40Mrs Clennell,
00:47:41will you tell the court what happened on the evening of September the 17th last year?
00:47:47My husband phoned me at about six o'clock and said he was going to be late home.
00:47:50Did he explain why?
00:47:52He said a Japanese delegation had placed some big orders
00:47:55and that he was taken to the club for a drink.
00:47:58Did he say how long he might be?
00:48:00He said about an hour.
00:48:01He said to have dinner ready for 7.30,
00:48:04and I said that would be fine, we could eat with the children.
00:48:07And what time did he eventually arrive home?
00:48:08Sally went to bed about 9.30,
00:48:11and he came in some time after that.
00:48:14I was sitting by the fire.
00:48:17I was bored with television.
00:48:19I'd put a record on.
00:48:22I hadn't turned the television off.
00:48:24I'd just turned the sound down.
00:48:26Why did you leave it on?
00:48:28Kept my eyes busy.
00:48:30I was cutting out a paper pattern.
00:48:33Well, anything to keep my mind occupied
00:48:36so I wouldn't have to think.
00:48:38They were distractions.
00:48:39Distractions from what?
00:48:42Worrying about Alan.
00:48:44He told me three weeks ago that he'd started social drinking.
00:48:49I knew he'd started long before that because I could smell it,
00:48:52and I knew it was only a matter of time before he had a relapse.
00:48:56When he hadn't arrived home by 8.30,
00:48:59I went round the house searching.
00:49:01And what were you looking for?
00:49:04The hidden bottle.
00:49:06I found it.
00:49:07A bottle of gin in the central heating cupboard.
00:49:10And when he came home, I knew it had happened.
00:49:14How did you know?
00:49:17Because he sounded quite drunk.
00:49:19Four hours in a drinking atmosphere had been too much for him.
00:49:22And I suddenly felt this enormous hostility.
00:49:26I'd always looked on his drinking as an illness before, you see,
00:49:30and that's how I'd coped with it.
00:49:33But this time I...
00:49:34I thought, well, he could have come home.
00:49:36He needn't have stayed at the club.
00:49:38It was his choice to stay and drink.
00:49:40I suddenly felt quite helpless.
00:49:44He asked me where the children were.
00:49:46I...
00:49:47I didn't reply.
00:49:51I knew I wasn't going to be able to cope.
00:49:54Perhaps if I'd been a different sort of woman,
00:49:57this would never have happened.
00:49:59Do you mean your husband's alcoholism?
00:50:02Yes, that.
00:50:04And the fights.
00:50:06This.
00:50:07Everything.
00:50:07He crossed to the record player and he turned it off.
00:50:11He said, you don't want that rubbish, do you?
00:50:14And then he went into the kitchen
00:50:15and he banged about in there for a while
00:50:18and then he shouted, where's my supper?
00:50:21And then he came back into the sitting room
00:50:23and I said, your supper's on the stove.
00:50:26And he said, I don't mean that rubbish.
00:50:29I'm talking about my liquid supper.
00:50:31Have you been at the central heating cupboard?
00:50:34And he told me if I had that he'd break my neck.
00:50:38And I told him that if he'd touch me, I'd kill him.
00:50:42He called me a bloody, sanctimonious, self-righteous bitch.
00:50:48And I just...
00:50:49I went on making the dress.
00:50:51I was cutting it out.
00:50:52But I couldn't help myself.
00:50:57I said, so you had a good time, did you?
00:51:00And he said, come to heel, bitch.
00:51:04Facetious bitches are liable to get their mouths punched in.
00:51:06Were you in any way prepared for this self-generated aggression?
00:51:12Prepared? No.
00:51:14You're never prepared.
00:51:17It followed a pattern, you see, the drinking.
00:51:19When he was drinking regularly, he was manageable.
00:51:25He only got like this when he'd had a drink over his alcoholic need
00:51:28and got himself drunk.
00:51:29Well, I thought the best thing that I could do under the circumstances was to go to bed.
00:51:36So I said I'd see him in the morning and I asked him if he'd sleep in the spare room.
00:51:41I crossed the room and I passed him
00:51:47and he suddenly slapped the side of my face and knocked me against the wall.
00:51:53I...
00:51:53I...
00:51:55I couldn't hear properly for a minute.
00:51:57I...
00:51:58I screamed.
00:51:59It was such a shock.
00:52:01It was so sudden.
00:52:04I...
00:52:04I just felt this burning pain from the blow.
00:52:10I felt violated.
00:52:12And what happened next?
00:52:14Well, I just stared at him.
00:52:17And then he stopped and...
00:52:20He said you'd like me locked up, wouldn't you?
00:52:25Well, I...
00:52:29I...
00:52:31I told him I couldn't go through with it all again.
00:52:35Go through what, exactly?
00:52:38Find in bottles when he tells me he's stopped.
00:52:40Drinking champagne to celebrate that he's cured.
00:52:44Yes, he did that.
00:52:46It's quite funny, really, if you don't live with it.
00:52:48The walkings out and the...
00:52:51The reconciliations, the coming home late, the excuses, the lies, the rows, the...
00:52:58The good days.
00:53:01The promises.
00:53:03The hoping.
00:53:04You told him you couldn't go through all that again.
00:53:08Yes, I told him I was going to leave him this time.
00:53:11And how did he react?
00:53:12He said there's another man.
00:53:14And was there?
00:53:15It's a bit difficult for a woman with children.
00:53:17Your husband stopped railing at you.
00:53:21Yes, for the moment.
00:53:22Your threatening to leave him was a shock to him.
00:53:25Well, he just kept shouting,
00:53:26Who is he?
00:53:26Who is he?
00:53:27Who is he?
00:53:27And I yelled,
00:53:28There's no one.
00:53:29No one.
00:53:30And then he came towards me and made a grab.
00:53:33And I said if he touched me, I'd kill him.
00:53:37And then he went to the sideboard and he...
00:53:41He got my handbag out.
00:53:44He spilled everything onto the floor and he...
00:53:47He scrambled around like a dog, pouring at my belongings.
00:53:51And what was he looking for?
00:53:54He was searching for a photograph of my lover.
00:53:57And he told me when he found it, he'd throttle me.
00:54:01He thought there must be someone, because how could I manage without him?
00:54:07He tried to put me down.
00:54:09I told him that I'd get a job, that I could study for something.
00:54:14He tried to put me down.
00:54:17And I realized that 16 years of living with him had totally demoralized me.
00:54:23And then he stopped looking for the photograph.
00:54:28He stood up.
00:54:30And I thought, thank God, he's played himself out.
00:54:33And then he moved to pass me.
00:54:43And he turned.
00:54:45And he got me by the throat and he forced me against the wall.
00:54:51And I thought, this is it.
00:54:53This is the end.
00:54:54And I think I would have given up if it hadn't been for my children.
00:55:03And my hand was free.
00:55:06And I got my hand round his back.
00:55:10And I stuck the scissors in.
00:55:13He let go of me and clutched his back.
00:55:15And I felt as if I were mad.
00:55:21As if he were mad.
00:55:24I mean, a minute ago I'd been sitting listening to a record.
00:55:29And then he came at me again.
00:55:32And I stabbed him again.
00:55:36And then we fell on the floor.
00:55:37And he got his hands round my throat.
00:55:42And the scissors went into his leg.
00:55:46He stood up.
00:55:49It was then that Sal, my daughter, came in.
00:55:55He passed out a minute later.
00:55:59And then you telephoned Mrs Murray?
00:56:01Yes, I did.
00:56:02Now, why didn't you telephone for an ambulance?
00:56:04Well, I was afraid that if I did that,
00:56:07that I'd have to tell them that he was trying to kill me.
00:56:10So you weren't frightened for yourself?
00:56:13For myself?
00:56:14That you might be charged with assault.
00:56:17It never even entered my head.
00:56:21Now, when you telephoned Mrs Murray,
00:56:22did you say,
00:56:24I've stabbed my husband, I lost control?
00:56:26No, no, I didn't say that.
00:56:28My husband was attacking me,
00:56:29and I was defending myself.
00:56:30Do you remember what you said on the telephone?
00:56:35No, I'm sorry, I don't remember.
00:56:38Now, she came over within five minutes
00:56:39and rang for an ambulance straight away.
00:56:41Did you talk about what had happened?
00:56:43Well, she asked me, but I didn't tell her.
00:56:46Why was that?
00:56:48Because I didn't like her.
00:56:50When I cared about Alan, she...
00:56:54Oh, she made me very jealous.
00:56:56Did you suspect them of being lovers?
00:56:58Her patient-counselor relationship was very close.
00:57:04She, um...
00:57:05She always made me feel like an outsider.
00:57:09As if I were the guilty one.
00:57:13But you see...
00:57:14She didn't have to cope with the reality.
00:57:16Thank you, Mrs. Clenall.
00:57:23Now, Mrs. Clenall,
00:57:24you claim your husband came home staggering about.
00:57:27No, I...
00:57:28No, I didn't say he was staggering about.
00:57:30He was drunk.
00:57:30He wasn't staggering about.
00:57:31Very well, that he was drunk,
00:57:33and that he threw his dinner away,
00:57:35smashed you in the face because you'd hidden his drink.
00:57:37Yes, he did that.
00:57:38Yes, and that he then grabbed you by the throat
00:57:40and tried to strangle you.
00:57:41Yes.
00:57:41And you are telling this court
00:57:43that your husband was following a pattern of behaviour...
00:57:45No.
00:57:45...that you lived with a man for 16 years
00:57:47who continually behaved like this.
00:57:48No, I didn't say.
00:57:49I didn't say that.
00:57:51That's exactly what you said.
00:57:52Well, I didn't mean it.
00:57:53Well, you'd better explain exactly what you meant, then.
00:57:55When we first married,
00:58:03I didn't really know how much Alan was drinking.
00:58:07I really didn't think about it very much.
00:58:09Alan, in the company of his friends,
00:58:11was always good for a laugh.
00:58:13And after the birth of our first child,
00:58:15I didn't go out with him so much.
00:58:18He got a job in the management side of his company,
00:58:21and he had much more to do.
00:58:22He had more engagements.
00:58:23But when we did go out to dinners or parties,
00:58:27he always drank a very great deal,
00:58:29and I began to worry about it.
00:58:31I spoke to his friends about it,
00:58:32and they just laughed.
00:58:35They gave me very little sympathy.
00:58:38Drink is a drug accepted by this society.
00:58:42I suppose if I'd said,
00:58:44my husband's on heroin.
00:58:47Well, everybody seemed to be having such a marvellous time.
00:58:50I decided to start drinking as well.
00:58:52And in the beginning, I quite enjoyed it.
00:58:54I entered into the part, if you'd like.
00:58:57But then I couldn't keep it up.
00:58:58I began to feel very ill,
00:59:00so I dropped out.
00:59:01I watched Alan drinking day after day,
00:59:05week after week.
00:59:07I went to my doctor,
00:59:08and he gave me some tranquilizers.
00:59:11And then I rang up Alcoholics Anonymous,
00:59:13and they told me that Alan would have to go to them
00:59:16of his own free will.
00:59:19I spoke to Alan about it,
00:59:20and he was furious.
00:59:21He said there was nothing wrong with him.
00:59:25He began to repel me physically.
00:59:27He always smelt of stale drink and tobacco.
00:59:30He started burning holes in the sheets and the carpet.
00:59:38Well, by this time, he knew he was ill.
00:59:41He knew there was something wrong,
00:59:43but he wouldn't do anything about it.
00:59:45He began to blame me.
00:59:48He was bitter, and he was very resentful.
00:59:52And socially, he was charming.
00:59:55He began to get very jealous.
00:59:57He, um, burnt my clothes,
01:00:01and he broke my jewelry in drunken rages.
01:00:06That's what I mean by patterns of behavior.
01:00:09Yes, and did these patterns, as you call them,
01:00:11involve physical violence on you?
01:00:13Not on me, no.
01:00:14No?
01:00:14I might have defended myself.
01:00:19In a drunken fit, he attacked.
01:00:23He attacked what?
01:00:26He attacked.
01:00:28What did he attack, Mrs. Glenelg?
01:00:33He murdered our baby.
01:00:35Murdered your baby.
01:00:40Do you mean that?
01:00:42Yes, I do.
01:00:45Mr. Sissons.
01:00:48My lord, I know nothing about this matter.
01:00:50Well, I think we should adjourn
01:00:52while you make some inquiries.
01:00:54All set.
01:00:55Well, it's true.
01:01:10He murdered the child?
01:01:11That the baby died.
01:01:12How long ago?
01:01:13Eleven years.
01:01:15God, what a mess.
01:01:17I think people do to each other, eh?
01:01:20What about the police?
01:01:21I hope to God it was all official.
01:01:22Yes, I managed to talk to the detective in charge.
01:01:24And how did she say it happened?
01:01:26Well, she says that her husband came home
01:01:28and started his jealous bit off again.
01:01:30Seems he was getting pathologically jealous.
01:01:32He started asking her how many lovers she'd had
01:01:34and then he said he didn't think their second child was his.
01:01:37Apparently, he went on and on
01:01:38and eventually to shut him up,
01:01:39she said, all right, he's not yours.
01:01:41He went up the stairs,
01:01:42took the baby out of the cot
01:01:43and banged its head against the wall.
01:01:46Just once.
01:01:48Ah, superintendent.
01:01:50Superintendent Keele, Mr. Golding.
01:01:51No, no.
01:01:52Thanks for coming in.
01:01:52As a matter of fact,
01:01:53I was in another court.
01:01:55Now, look,
01:01:55I've not gone through the file
01:01:57because I've not been back to the station.
01:01:59But I do remember the case very well.
01:02:00My wife had just had a baby
01:02:02so it made quite an impression.
01:02:04Did the police spring any charge?
01:02:06No,
01:02:06there was a contusion on the crown of his head
01:02:08but no other wounds or any injury.
01:02:09And how did they say it happened?
01:02:11The husband picked up the baby
01:02:12and he dropped it.
01:02:14But a contusion on the crown of the head
01:02:15he'd have had to fall upside down.
01:02:16You don't pick a baby up like that.
01:02:18Well, according to the husband,
01:02:19he took the kid out of the cot
01:02:20and he, you know,
01:02:22held him here
01:02:22and he was playing with him
01:02:23and the kid went over his shoulder.
01:02:25You get many babies who die like that?
01:02:27Someone usually gets charged.
01:02:29And why not in this case?
01:02:30Oh, there's nothing, you see.
01:02:31There was no witness.
01:02:32The wife?
01:02:33Oh, she was a witness.
01:02:34What about her story?
01:02:35Well, at the time,
01:02:36she agreed with the husband's story.
01:02:38Had he been drinking?
01:02:39Well, by the time I arrived,
01:02:40he'd had a few.
01:02:41His wife said it was the shot.
01:02:43Do you think she was trying
01:02:44to cover up for him?
01:02:45There was no evidence
01:02:45to substantiate that supposition.
01:02:47But what do you think...
01:02:48No, what can you do?
01:02:49The wife agreed with the husband's story.
01:02:51There was no witness.
01:02:52Believe me, you're up against it.
01:02:54Well, what do you think?
01:02:55Well, if she sticks to the murder accusation,
01:02:57it won't do her any good.
01:02:58I mean, I can knock holes in that.
01:02:59Vindictive distortion.
01:03:01Oh, thanks for coming in, Superintendent.
01:03:03Oh, and if she sticks to her story,
01:03:04they could both be on trial for that kid.
01:03:09Well, Marcus,
01:03:10who's going to tell them?
01:03:12You may as well.
01:03:14Some better coming from you.
01:03:22My lord, there was a child who died,
01:03:24but due to the circumstances,
01:03:26no charge was brought.
01:03:27What were the circumstances?
01:03:29Due to a lack of evidence, my lord.
01:03:31The only witness was the accused,
01:03:33and at the time,
01:03:34she stated that the child's death
01:03:35was an accident.
01:03:36Death by misadventure was brought in.
01:03:39Mrs. Clenrol,
01:03:40do you wish to say anything?
01:03:42I'm sorry I said it.
01:03:45You know,
01:03:46you've done yourself no good
01:03:49by making this false accusation
01:03:51against your husband.
01:03:52You may continue, Mr. Curley.
01:03:56My lord.
01:03:58You were at university with your husband,
01:04:00you said?
01:04:01Yes.
01:04:01It was a happy time?
01:04:03Yes.
01:04:04Your husband took a first-class honours degree?
01:04:06Yes.
01:04:07And you took a double first?
01:04:09Yes.
01:04:09What did you read?
01:04:11Science.
01:04:12And your husband?
01:04:13Science.
01:04:13You were cleverer than he was?
01:04:16No.
01:04:17There must have been some reason
01:04:18for your gaining a double first,
01:04:19Mrs. Clenrol.
01:04:21He lacked creative flair.
01:04:24In science?
01:04:25Science at its highest level
01:04:27can be considered creative thought.
01:04:29You didn't go on to take your doctorate?
01:04:33No.
01:04:33You got married instead?
01:04:35Well, you know I did.
01:04:36Although you had brilliant prospects in front of him.
01:04:39I loved Alan.
01:04:40You gave everything up for him?
01:04:42We got married.
01:04:44You could have gone on with your career.
01:04:46We decided to have children.
01:04:48Your husband tried for his doctorate.
01:04:51He failed.
01:04:52That must have been a great disappointment.
01:04:54We all have to find our own level.
01:04:57But you were ambitious for him, weren't you?
01:04:59Well, isn't any wife?
01:05:00You pushed him hard, didn't you?
01:05:01Channelled your considerable talents
01:05:03towards pushing him.
01:05:04I loved him.
01:05:06But he couldn't cope, could he, Mrs. Clenrol?
01:05:08He's already told us he started drinking
01:05:10when he had to confront board meetings
01:05:11as one of the directors.
01:05:13I think Alan might have been better
01:05:14with another woman.
01:05:15I think I pushed him too hard.
01:05:18But the tendency towards drink
01:05:20was always in his make-up.
01:05:22I admit I might have been the catalyst.
01:05:24Yes, and over the years
01:05:25your resentment towards your husband grew, didn't it?
01:05:27You'd thrown away a promising career,
01:05:29a brilliant career, from what I've been told.
01:05:31And you found yourself married to someone
01:05:33who was, on your terms, pretty mediocre.
01:05:35Do you deny that?
01:05:37We all have to find our own level.
01:05:38Yes, but as the years slipped by
01:05:40and you had a family
01:05:41you began to see yourself as pretty mediocre, didn't you?
01:05:44Being married wasn't enough for you, was it?
01:05:46It wasn't a marriage.
01:05:48Not a proper marriage.
01:05:50You don't stay close to an alcoholic.
01:05:53You nurse him.
01:05:54You watch him.
01:05:56You don't trust him.
01:05:57You ended up not trusting your own husband, yes.
01:06:01You even thought he was having an affair
01:06:02with his counsellor, Joyce Murray.
01:06:05I knew he preferred being with her.
01:06:07Could that have been because
01:06:08she didn't make him feel a failure, Mrs. Clenrol?
01:06:11Could that have been because
01:06:12she didn't put him down?
01:06:13She hadn't lived with him for 16 years
01:06:15and had her life destroyed by him.
01:06:17Exactly.
01:06:18And that is why you lost control
01:06:19and tried to kill your husband, isn't it, Mrs. Clenrol?
01:06:22You'd spent 16 years with him,
01:06:2416 of the most important years of your life,
01:06:26and he had, in your eyes,
01:06:28taken them from you
01:06:29and destroyed you.
01:06:30You twist everything in this legal game.
01:06:32You're the one who twists everything, Mrs. Clenrol,
01:06:34even to the point of accusing your husband
01:06:35of murdering your own child.
01:06:37It was the drink.
01:06:38It was through the drink.
01:06:39Mr. Golding,
01:06:40that is a matter that has little relevance
01:06:43to this trial.
01:06:45Come now to the events of September the 17th.
01:06:48That is the only issue
01:06:49that this jury have to decide.
01:06:52Mrs. Clenrol,
01:06:54are you quite well?
01:06:55Yes, thank you.
01:06:58Very well.
01:06:59Give her a chair.
01:07:00No, no, no.
01:07:01I feel less unequal on my feet.
01:07:03I consider you to be at least my equal, Mrs. Clenrol.
01:07:05Oh, I don't mean you.
01:07:07I mean all this,
01:07:08the whole machinery.
01:07:09You're on your own territory.
01:07:11You did attack your husband, didn't you?
01:07:13Yes, verbally.
01:07:14I attacked him.
01:07:15And then, physically?
01:07:16He tried to tell me
01:07:18I couldn't manage without him.
01:07:20He told me that
01:07:21I couldn't manage if he went.
01:07:23If he went.
01:07:24And I...
01:07:25He tried to put me down.
01:07:26Well, he believed it.
01:07:28He had been doing it,
01:07:29and I'd let him.
01:07:31If you spend a lot of your time with children,
01:07:34you begin to believe anything.
01:07:36You begin to believe you're a vegetable.
01:07:39I told him he was the failure.
01:07:41He was the one who wouldn't manage when I went.
01:07:44He needed a mother, not a wife.
01:07:47He was my third child.
01:07:49Not a husband.
01:07:50Not a man.
01:07:52He knew that was true.
01:07:54He knew it was the truth.
01:07:55He resented it,
01:07:56and that is why he attacked me.
01:07:58And he tried to strangle you?
01:07:59Yes.
01:08:00Got his hands around your throat?
01:08:01Yes.
01:08:02And started to throttle the life out of you,
01:08:03and then, terrified for your life,
01:08:05you stabbed him in the back.
01:08:06Yes.
01:08:06And yet the doctor who examined you
01:08:08a little after your husband was taken to hospital
01:08:10found no marks around your neck.
01:08:12The side of my head was bruised and swollen.
01:08:15Your husband admitted that he struck you on the side of the head.
01:08:18He did that after you had stabbed him in the back.
01:08:20He was trying to defend himself.
01:08:21No, I didn't.
01:08:22Didn't what?
01:08:22Didn't stab him?
01:08:23Yes.
01:08:24I'm confused.
01:08:25You're confusing.
01:08:26Confused about what happened?
01:08:28I was going to bed, and he came at me.
01:08:31Yes.
01:08:31Do you usually take scissors to bed with you?
01:08:33What?
01:08:34You were going to bed with the scissors.
01:08:36When?
01:08:37You crossed the room to go to bed.
01:08:39Your husband made a grab at you,
01:08:40pushed you against the wall,
01:08:41and then a moment later you were stabbing him.
01:08:42Now, where did the scissors come from?
01:08:43Well, I had them in my hand.
01:08:45Were you taking them to bed?
01:08:47I hadn't put them down.
01:08:48Do you normally take a large pair of scissors to bed with you, Mrs?
01:08:51No!
01:08:51No, because you weren't going to bed, were you, Mrs Glennell?
01:08:54You looked at your husband, drinking again,
01:08:57and you despised him for his weakness,
01:08:59and you tried to kill him, didn't you?
01:09:03I looked at my husband,
01:09:05and I thought I must now acknowledge failure.
01:09:11I've taken charge of you.
01:09:14I've managed your house.
01:09:17I've helped you.
01:09:19I've covered up for you.
01:09:20I've hidden everything from your children.
01:09:25I've protected you.
01:09:28I've been your mother more than your wife.
01:09:36I did not attack my husband.
01:09:38Members of the jury,
01:09:48the charge in this case is wounding
01:09:51with intent to do grievous bodily harm.
01:09:55The issue is not whether or not
01:09:57the accused caused her husband's injuries.
01:09:59That has been admitted.
01:10:01But what was her intention?
01:10:04If you consider that she attacked her husband,
01:10:08then she is guilty,
01:10:10and you will bring in such a verdict.
01:10:13But if you believe that her husband attacked her,
01:10:18and that she was defending herself,
01:10:20and had no intention of causing bodily harm,
01:10:23then you will find the accused not guilty.
01:10:26You must ask yourselves
01:10:28whether the attack was so violent
01:10:31and so prolonged
01:10:33as to justify her firstly in using scissors,
01:10:37and secondly in using them more than once.
01:10:42You will now retire and elect a foreman
01:10:44who will speak for you,
01:10:45and consider your verdict.
01:10:48All stand.
01:10:48Members of the jury,
01:10:56will your foreman please stand?
01:10:59Just answer the question, yes or no.
01:11:01Have you reached a verdict on which you're all agreed?
01:11:03Yes.
01:11:04Do you find the accused, Petra Clennell,
01:11:06guilty or not guilty,
01:11:08of wounding with intent to cause
01:11:10grievous bodily harm on Alan Clennell?
01:11:13Guilty.
01:11:13Petra Clennell,
01:11:16you have been found guilty
01:11:18of a violent attack upon your husband,
01:11:20an attack in which you sought
01:11:22your own retribution and revenge.
01:11:24Now that is something
01:11:25that the law of this country will not allow.
01:11:28I have thought most carefully about this case,
01:11:31and because I think that both you
01:11:32and your husband need help,
01:11:35and because there are no previous convictions,
01:11:38I sentence you to a term
01:11:40of three years' imprisonment
01:11:42suspended for two years.
01:11:45I'm doing this
01:11:46so that you may seek and obtain help.
01:11:49.
01:11:49.
01:11:51.
01:12:03.
01:12:03.
01:12:04.
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