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Petra Clenell is charged with wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
Deborah Norton, John Hallam, Jonathan Elsom and Michael Johnson star.
Deborah Norton, John Hallam, Jonathan Elsom and Michael Johnson star.
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00:00:18Petra Klennell is charged with grievous bodily harm on her husband, Alan.
00:00:26The jury in this trial has been selected from members of the public,
00:00:29whose names appear on the electoral register and who are eligible for jury service.
00:00:33They will reach their own unscripted verdict.
00:00:36It is the prosecution's case that the accused is indeed guilty of the most vicious attack upon her husband.
00:00:41That her attack was sudden and violent, and that it ended with her husband falling to his knees, bloody and helpless.
00:00:48One moment, Mr Golding. What's wrong with the lights over there?
00:00:53My lord, apparently some of the fuses have blown due to a leak in the roof, the water seeping into some of the wires.
00:00:59An electrician is looking into the matter at the moment.
00:01:01Can the jury see any papers they may have to read?
00:01:04I believe they can, my lord.
00:01:06Oh, very well.
00:01:08The jury may well feel that they're in a somewhat dimly lit nightclub.
00:01:12But you may disillusion them, Mr Golding.
00:01:15My lord, with apologies for not sounding like Mr Frank Sinatra,
00:01:20the evidence will show that from the moment Alan Clennell arrived home on that evening of September the 17th,
00:01:26his wife, the accused, had but one thought, to inflict grievous wounds upon his body.
00:01:32Hello. Hi.
00:01:41You look tired.
00:01:42I didn't sleep very well.
00:01:44Would you like some coffee?
00:01:45No, I'm on after the opening speeches.
00:01:48I can get a cup from the machine.
00:01:49No, you go to the canteen, Joyce. I'll stay here.
00:01:52I'll wait until you're cold.
00:01:53Don't have to.
00:01:54I had breakfast before I left.
00:01:56You don't have to watch me. Treat me like an overgrown child.
00:02:00Don't play games.
00:02:02Putting me in the wrong.
00:02:03I wasn't.
00:02:05Where's Sally?
00:02:08Coming with her aunt.
00:02:10Alan, why are you so guilty?
00:02:13I didn't want this place seeping into her.
00:02:16What do you mean?
00:02:20My daughter Sally.
00:02:22I'm sorry she had to be involved.
00:02:25Didn't want her here any longer than necessary.
00:02:29Law courts.
00:02:30Hospitals.
00:02:31Churches.
00:02:32Points of crisis.
00:02:34Legal, physical, spiritual.
00:02:37They all smell.
00:02:39Dry aridity.
00:02:42Disinfectant.
00:02:43Damp earth.
00:02:45Someone's eyes.
00:02:46Someone's teeth.
00:02:48Someone's everything.
00:02:50Keep children away from that as long as possible.
00:02:54Innocence.
00:02:55That's the only quality worth anything.
00:02:59Innocence.
00:03:04Do you understand?
00:03:05Give it to me.
00:03:07What?
00:03:08The bottle.
00:03:09What I do is my own business.
00:03:11I warned you it's rare alcoholics can return to social drinking.
00:03:16I just want to steady myself.
00:03:17You're topping up.
00:03:18Don't treat me like an idiot.
00:03:19You're worse than my wife.
00:03:21Who has to pick up the pieces Alan?
00:03:23Nobody's asking you.
00:03:24Not this time.
00:03:25Mr. Alan Clenhall.
00:03:26Give it to me.
00:03:27You can't take it in with you, can you?
00:03:28Oh, come on.
00:03:29Give it to me.
00:03:30Derek Sisson's QC appears for the defence and Marcus Golding QC for the prosecution.
00:03:51Mr. Justice Ashley presides in the case of the Queen against Clenhall.
00:03:56What religion are you?
00:03:57Church of England.
00:03:58Take the Bible in your right hand.
00:04:00Read aloud the words on the card.
00:04:02I swear by almighty God that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
00:04:08You are Alan Clenhall and you live at Dean House Beryl Road, Folchester.
00:04:13That's right.
00:04:14And you are the husband of the accused.
00:04:16Yes.
00:04:17Now, will you please tell the court what occurred on the evening of September the 17th last year?
00:04:22I got home around nine.
00:04:24My wife was in the sitting room.
00:04:26There was a fire burning, a log fire.
00:04:28I said, that looks nice.
00:04:29My wife didn't reply.
00:04:31I thought, well I knew really, she was angry.
00:04:34Because she didn't answer you or greet you?
00:04:35That's right.
00:04:36And what had you done to make her angry?
00:04:38I phoned about six to say that I had to entertain some people, a Japanese business delegation.
00:04:44I told her I'd be home as soon as possible, but soon wasn't good enough.
00:04:48I should have gone straight home and lost my company half a million pounds worth of business.
00:04:53Then my wife would have been happy.
00:04:55Yes.
00:04:56You arrived home, your wife not speaking to you, and then what happened?
00:04:59I asked her where the children were.
00:05:02Of course, I knew they were in bed, but it's just something you say, isn't it?
00:05:06Did your wife reply this time?
00:05:08No, she didn't.
00:05:09She was watching the television with the sound turned down and listening to a record, Shostakovich V.
00:05:15It was very loud, so I turned it down and went into the kitchen to look for my supper.
00:05:20There was a dirty plate on the stove and a newspaper beside it with something wrapped in it.
00:05:25So I opened it, steak and courgettes, which I took to be my supper.
00:05:30Your wife had thrown it away?
00:05:31That's right.
00:05:32Were you surprised?
00:05:34No, this wasn't the first time it had happened.
00:05:37I went back into the room.
00:05:40Petra hadn't moved.
00:05:42I stood in the doorway and asked her why she'd thrown my supper away.
00:05:46She knelt on the floor.
00:05:48I hadn't noticed before, but there was some material and scissors and things.
00:05:52She'd been making something.
00:05:54She picked up the scissors and started to cut the cloth.
00:05:57And then she asked me why I was late.
00:05:59And I told her that I'd been with the Japanese delegation.
00:06:02Yes, this delegation was important, was it?
00:06:04Yes.
00:06:05I had absolutely no choice but to stay with them.
00:06:08And you explained this to your wife?
00:06:09That's right.
00:06:10How did she react?
00:06:11She stood up, came across the room with the scissors.
00:06:15Yes.
00:06:16Show him exhibit one, please.
00:06:19Now, are those the scissors, Mr. Kennel?
00:06:21Yes.
00:06:22Quite large, very sharp scissors for dressmaking.
00:06:25Now, will you please show us just how your wife was holding them?
00:06:30Like this?
00:06:31And she crossed the room holding them like that?
00:06:33Yes.
00:06:34Quite clearly she was coming towards you with an aggressive intention.
00:06:37There's absolutely no doubt about that.
00:06:39And what did you do?
00:06:40Nothing.
00:06:42You mean you didn't take any defensive action?
00:06:45Well, I told her to stop play-acting and turn to go out of the room.
00:06:48Wasn't that a bit unwise?
00:06:50Not really.
00:06:51We've been married for 16 years and we've had some pretty violent rows.
00:06:55Verbally violent, I mean.
00:06:56But we've never attacked each other.
00:06:57Never with a weapon.
00:06:59I just didn't believe that she would do it.
00:07:01Tried to stab me.
00:07:03I was totally unprepared for what she did.
00:07:05Yeah.
00:07:06Tell the court what happened then, please.
00:07:08I turned away from her to go upstairs.
00:07:11And I heard Petra scream.
00:07:13And I felt a pain in my right shoulder blade.
00:07:16To the side, just underneath.
00:07:18And then this searing pain down my back.
00:07:21Yes.
00:07:22My lord, I would like to refer to the medical report at this stage.
00:07:24Mr. Sessions?
00:07:25No objections, my lord.
00:07:26The report has been agreed.
00:07:27Well, have the jury got copies?
00:07:29They have, my lord.
00:07:31Oh, the print's rather small.
00:07:34Can they see to read?
00:07:36Yes, my lord.
00:07:37Oh, very well.
00:07:38The report states that the wound at the base of the right shoulder blade,
00:07:43although superficial, extended downward for six inches
00:07:46and required 12 stitches.
00:07:48Now, what were you wearing at that time, Mr. Clement?
00:07:50A shirt and a jacket.
00:07:52So the scissors penetrated both those garments and into your back?
00:07:55That's right.
00:07:56Yes.
00:07:57And your wife is quite a lightly built woman, isn't she?
00:07:59Yes.
00:08:00It must have been a pretty fierce lunge she made.
00:08:03Were you able to defend yourself after that blow?
00:08:06No, I felt rather stunned.
00:08:09I remember leaning against the doorpost for a moment,
00:08:12my eyes filled with water.
00:08:14I put my hand to my back under my jacket and felt my shirt all wet.
00:08:19The warmth of the blood trickling down.
00:08:22Then I heard Petra make some kind of a noise and I thought,
00:08:25if I don't move, she's going to kill me.
00:08:27So I turned with my arm out, ready, and I hit her away with me.
00:08:31With my left hand, I tried to grab the scissors, but she twisted out of my grasp.
00:08:36Then she struck at my chest.
00:08:38I stepped back and the scissors went into my side.
00:08:42I collapsed to my knees, caught Petra around the legs.
00:08:47She fell over screaming.
00:08:49Scissors went into my thigh.
00:08:52I had to pull them out.
00:08:54And did you hold on to them?
00:08:56No, I felt sick.
00:08:58I must have dropped them.
00:08:59I thought if I faint, I mustn't faint.
00:09:02So I stood up and started to go towards the door.
00:09:05Out of the corner of my eye, I saw Petra with the scissors again.
00:09:09I turned, caught her by the arm and started shouting at her,
00:09:12Are you mad? Are you mad?
00:09:13Trying to bring her round.
00:09:14And then I heard a cry from the door.
00:09:16I turned.
00:09:17It was my daughter Sally.
00:09:21Petra saw her and dropped the scissors.
00:09:24I tried to tell Sally to go to bed.
00:09:30But she started screaming.
00:09:33And then I blacked out.
00:09:35Yes.
00:09:36Did you attack your wife, Mr. Clannell?
00:09:38No.
00:09:39Did you do anything which she might have interpreted as an attack?
00:09:42Nothing.
00:09:43Absolutely nothing at all.
00:09:50On the night in question, you telephoned your wife at six, you said.
00:09:53That's right.
00:09:54And then you went to a pub.
00:09:55Club.
00:09:56Oh sorry, club.
00:09:57And what did you do?
00:09:58What do you mean?
00:09:59At the club.
00:10:00We had a drink.
00:10:01One.
00:10:02Singular.
00:10:03Not many.
00:10:04How many?
00:10:05I didn't count.
00:10:06Three, six, nine, fifteen, twenty.
00:10:09About three.
00:10:10Three.
00:10:11Three drinks in three to four hours.
00:10:13I arrived at the club at six o'clock and I left at eight o'clock.
00:10:16Your mathematics are a bit out.
00:10:18Ah.
00:10:19You left just after eight.
00:10:21How long a drive is it from your club to your home?
00:10:23Ten, fifteen minutes?
00:10:25About that.
00:10:26And you drove?
00:10:27I drove home, yes.
00:10:28So you left just after eight and then after this ten to fifteen minute drive you arrived home.
00:10:32That's right.
00:10:33Go the long way round, did you?
00:10:36Well, maybe I left nearer to eight thirty.
00:10:39And when you arrived home you asked if your children were in bed and they were.
00:10:43I've already said that, yes.
00:10:44Now what time does your daughter, your elder daughter, thirteen years of age, normally go to bed?
00:10:50I really don't know.
00:10:51I do.
00:10:52She doesn't normally go to bed until ten o'clock.
00:10:55This must have been an abnormal night.
00:10:57Oh yes, that it certainly was.
00:10:59Now, you didn't arrive at the casualty department of the hospital until ten thirty.
00:11:04But according to you, this alleged attack by your wife took place soon after you got home.
00:11:08Around about nine o'clock.
00:11:10Were you lying on the floor bleeding for an hour and a half?
00:11:14Maybe I got home a bit later.
00:11:16Closer to ten o'clock, perhaps.
00:11:19Well, I wasn't looking at the clock all night.
00:11:22So far from my mathematics being out, you may well have had three to four hours drinking time.
00:11:28Come to your point, Mr Sissons.
00:11:31Aye, Lord.
00:11:33I have here a list of patients admitted to Fullchester Hospital some eighteen months ago.
00:11:37You were a patient at that time, weren't you, Mr Kennell?
00:11:40You were in for some ten days with a course of detoxification.
00:11:43Am I correct?
00:11:44Yes.
00:11:45Before I go into the details of the events of September the 17th,
00:11:48I should like to ask you a few questions about this alcoholism of yours.
00:11:52Past alcoholism, I was cured.
00:11:55Gentlemen, we now seem to have lost all our lights.
00:12:00We will therefore adjourn for lunch and reassemble at two p.m.
00:12:04or when the fuses are mended, whichever's the later.
00:12:08All set.
00:12:09All set.
00:12:19You do admit to being an alcoholic?
00:12:22I was treated for alcoholism, yes.
00:12:24Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. Isn't that what they say?
00:12:27It isn't correct.
00:12:28You'd been drinking with the Japanese delegation.
00:12:31What? Spirits?
00:12:32What? Gin and tonics?
00:12:35Yes.
00:12:37Do you think it possible that during the conversation
00:12:39you drank more gin and tonics than you were aware of?
00:12:41No, I do not think it possible.
00:12:42I was sipping my drinks, enjoying my drinks, like any social drinker.
00:12:47You weren't drunk when you got home?
00:12:49I most certainly wasn't drunk.
00:12:50You weren't falling about, aggressive, abusive, violent.
00:12:53Alcoholics don't behave like that.
00:12:55But you've already told us you are no longer an alcoholic.
00:12:57I meant the man that has a drink every day knows what quantity he needs.
00:13:01He never drinks more than this and he doesn't get drunk.
00:13:04And you knew how much you could drink that particular evening?
00:13:07Yes.
00:13:08How much your body needed?
00:13:09I didn't need to drink.
00:13:10Then why were you drinking at all?
00:13:11You're twisting what I'm saying.
00:13:13But you were drinking.
00:13:14How many times? Yes, I was in a club drinking.
00:13:18One drink too many, 21 not enough. Isn't that what they say?
00:13:21Who are the magical they?
00:13:22I thought alcoholics weren't supposed to drink.
00:13:24They're not.
00:13:25But you're different.
00:13:26But you were drinking.
00:13:27As a company director it is necessary for me to entertain directors from other companies.
00:13:33Well this club of yours, don't they sell orange juice?
00:13:35Have you never heard of tonic water?
00:13:36Yes, I suppose they do.
00:13:37But you were drinking.
00:13:39Oh my lord, this constant repetition of the same questions over and over again is tedious and unnecessary and very trying for the witness.
00:13:45Yes, Mr. Sissons, you have rather labelled the point.
00:13:48My lord, now there are some unlucky people for whom alcohol is a poison.
00:13:54It reduces them to a state of helpless addiction.
00:13:57Hence the saying, one drink too many, 21 not enough.
00:14:00What have you got to say to that?
00:14:02After my treatment 18 months ago I was abstinent for over one year.
00:14:07You can't go from being an alcoholic to a social drinker overnight.
00:14:10I'm sure every abstinent alcoholic cherishes the lingering hope that he may one day be able to return to normal social drinking.
00:14:17I wonder how often that actually happens.
00:14:19Not often, but it can and does happen sometimes.
00:14:22Hmm.
00:14:23This spell in hospital 18 months ago, it wasn't your first, was it?
00:14:27No.
00:14:28You were first treated six years ago, weren't you?
00:14:30You seem to have all the answers.
00:14:32Would you tell us about that treatment?
00:14:34How does that matter bear upon this case?
00:14:37Oh my lord, it is of paramount importance.
00:14:39Without an explanation and an exploration of the past, this court will be ill-equipped to make any assessment of what actually happened on September 8th.
00:14:46Oh very well.
00:14:49How did you come to be admitted to the hospital?
00:14:52I was in a car accident. I broke my leg and I was in for ten days.
00:14:56So you didn't go in for treatment for your drinking?
00:14:58Nobody knew about it.
00:15:00Well how did they find out?
00:15:01After three days I started to get the DTs.
00:15:06Delirium tremors.
00:15:08Would you explain that condition to us?
00:15:11It's a sort of disorientation.
00:15:14I began not to know where I was.
00:15:17I thought the nurses were waitresses.
00:15:20I thought I was in a bistro that I often use.
00:15:23I started calling the doctors by the names of the Italian waiters.
00:15:27Of course they wouldn't serve me.
00:15:29So I'd get angry.
00:15:30Then I'd laugh.
00:15:32And offer everybody a drink.
00:15:34But the drinks never came.
00:15:36And when you don't know where you are, there's a mood of apprehension.
00:15:42Nothing stays solid but is solid.
00:15:48I remember I was told there was a clock on the wall.
00:15:52And I was asked to tell the doctor the time.
00:15:55I told him.
00:15:57Later when I recovered I remembered this incident and the clock quite clearly.
00:16:03But the wall was bare.
00:16:06I asked the doctor.
00:16:09Where's the blue clock with the white face and the black dials?
00:16:15He told me it had only existed in my imagination.
00:16:20And later when you were on your own trying to pick things up.
00:16:26Imaginary things.
00:16:28Burning cigarettes, cards, bed bugs.
00:16:32Big black bed bugs.
00:16:36I saw that clock as clearly as I can see you.
00:16:41And how long did this go on?
00:16:43Two days.
00:16:45One night and one morning.
00:16:48Going into two days.
00:16:50And this disorientation, did it get worse?
00:16:53Much worse.
00:16:55Much worse.
00:16:57How did it get worse?
00:17:00Being threatened on all sides.
00:17:03Fighting off attackers.
00:17:05Strangers with no faces.
00:17:08All eyes.
00:17:10You started hallucinating.
00:17:12Horses racing at great speed.
00:17:15Hands on the steering wheel.
00:17:18Cornering visors spattered with blood.
00:17:21Huge, great flying beetles circling around my head.
00:17:27Every so often trying to get their pincer claws into my eyes.
00:17:33Blankets.
00:17:35Coming over my chest.
00:17:38Trying to get over my face.
00:17:41To cover my mouth.
00:17:47More blankets.
00:17:48Coming across the floor.
00:17:50The blankets were crawling across the floor.
00:17:53Trying to suffocate me.
00:17:55And more and more huge flying beetles going around my head.
00:18:00If only I could get my head under the blankets.
00:18:06Because you couldn't because they would have suffocated you.
00:18:09I do quite well, Mr. Clennell.
00:18:18Yes.
00:18:19Won't you take a drink of water?
00:18:24Or would you prefer a gin and tonic?
00:18:27My lord, such a remark is totally honorable.
00:18:29Yes, I quite agree, Mr. Sissons.
00:18:31That is a most improper remark.
00:18:33I apologize, my lord.
00:18:35You should know better.
00:18:37Except that my case is that it's true.
00:18:40If that were so, you should have waited and put the question properly when the witness had refreshed himself.
00:18:47You may continue, but I warn you not to test my patience.
00:18:52Very well, my lord.
00:18:56Would you tell us what happened next?
00:18:59The doctor came, didn't he?
00:19:01I thought he was going to kill me.
00:19:02I told him to get it over with.
00:19:05But they put me on drugs.
00:19:07And the hallucinations went?
00:19:09Yes, they did.
00:19:11Why are you so nervous now, Mr. Clennell?
00:19:14I'm not. I'm not nervous.
00:19:16Nervous and jumpy, I would have said.
00:19:17You weren't nervous at the start of this cross-examination.
00:19:19My lord, the witness has been dragged over what must have been an emotional and disturbing experience.
00:19:24I suggest that a brief adjournment would be appropriate for him to recover a little.
00:19:29Are you able to continue, Mr. Clennell?
00:19:32Yes.
00:19:34Very well.
00:19:35You may proceed, Mr. Silvers.
00:19:38In your evidence in chief, you said to my learned friend, with reference to your wife,
00:19:42we've had some violent rows, verbal violence.
00:19:45We've never attacked one another, never with a weapon.
00:19:48Why did you say never with a weapon?
00:19:50It was an expression.
00:19:52Perhaps you attacked one another with your fists?
00:19:55No, certainly not.
00:19:56Or your forehead.
00:19:57What?
00:19:58What do you mean?
00:19:59I'm talking about two years ago when you broke your wife's nose.
00:20:02Oh, come on, that was at a dance.
00:20:04We were dancing and we bumped our heads.
00:20:06My forehead hit her nose.
00:20:08There was never any question of me hitting her.
00:20:10It was a total accident.
00:20:11But you were in one of your drinking states at the time, weren't you?
00:20:14Yes.
00:20:15And you'd had a row, hadn't you, about her looking at another man?
00:20:18Not a row, exactly.
00:20:19One of the manifestations of your drinking is irrational jealousy, isn't it?
00:20:22I do get jealous.
00:20:23You don't trust your wife, do you?
00:20:25You think she plays around?
00:20:26No, I do not.
00:20:27Only when you've been drinking heavily, is that it?
00:20:29And I suggest that you had been drinking heavily on September the 17th.
00:20:32And that in a moment of insane and irrational jealousy, you attacked your wife and threatened to kill her.
00:20:37She stabbed me!
00:20:38I suggest that you had her pressed against the wall and were trying to strangle her.
00:20:41And that she, in terror, put her arm around your back and stabbed you with a downward thrust that caused that wound.
00:20:46No, that's not true, that's not true.
00:20:48I think I have to tell you what really happened, the words that were spoken that night.
00:20:51She came across the room and she said to me that I'd ruined her life.
00:20:55That she was brighter than me and who'd always been.
00:20:57She said she was finished with me.
00:20:59That she'd had enough.
00:21:01Drunk or sober, she'd had enough.
00:21:03She wishes to God she'd never carried my children.
00:21:11I leant against the door and I cried.
00:21:14And then she struck out!
00:21:21Do you mind putting your hands out in front of you?
00:21:24What?
00:21:26Your hands, like this.
00:21:27Put them out in front of you.
00:21:29What for?
00:21:30You must do as the Defending Council asks.
00:21:33Why?
00:21:35Why should I?
00:21:36Why are you so scared, Mr. Clennell?
00:21:38I'm not scared.
00:21:39You're suffering from what is commonly known as the shakes, aren't you?
00:21:46One drink and you'll be perfectly all right.
00:21:48You now have a physiological need for alcohol.
00:21:50You're once more addicted.
00:21:51Your dream of social drinking hasn't worked, has it?
00:21:55It wasn't that night.
00:21:56It only started later.
00:21:58In the last weeks.
00:22:01When my wife took out divorce proceedings.
00:22:04I love her.
00:22:05And is that why you're cross-petitioning for divorce?
00:22:09I love her.
00:22:12Life with her is impossible.
00:22:15Life without her is impossible.
00:22:18That sounds like a form of hell.
00:22:23It is.
00:22:24Of your own making.
00:22:26You must live in it alone.
00:22:27Mr. Clennell.
00:22:32Before your first treatment for alcoholism six years ago.
00:22:36How long had you been drinking heavily?
00:22:38About eight or nine years.
00:22:40And in all that time, had you ever laid a finger on your wife?
00:22:44No.
00:22:46What is that?
00:22:48Lord, the builders repairing the roof.
00:22:50They were told they could start at 4.15 as the court would be adjourned.
00:22:53Well, we can't compete with that.
00:22:56We will adjourn now.
00:22:58We will meet tomorrow at 10 o'clock.
00:23:01Prompt.
00:23:02All set.
00:23:03The cases in Forchester are fictitious.
00:23:04Join us again tomorrow when the Queen against Clennell will be resumed in the Crown Court.
00:23:17The cases in Forchester are fictitious.
00:23:18Join us again tomorrow when the Queen against Clennell will be resumed in the Crown Court.
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00:23:48Petra Clennell is charged with wounding her husband Alan with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
00:23:52Yesterday, under cross-examination, Alan admitted to having been treated twice in the past for his alcoholism.
00:23:57Mr. Clennell, were you drunk the night your wife attacked you?
00:24:01No, I felt tired, drained.
00:24:04It had been a long day,
00:24:05and a lot depended upon me selling ideas to the Japanese delegation.
00:24:09Quite.
00:24:10Now, I want you to think very carefully about my next question,
00:24:12because you might well deceive yourself.
00:24:15Were you on the road back to alcoholism on that night?
00:24:20Yes, I was.
00:24:22I didn't think I was, but...
00:24:25Yes.
00:24:26And did this make you aggressive?
00:24:28No, I was tired.
00:24:30And during those previous years of alcoholism,
00:24:32did you ever hit your wife?
00:24:34Never.
00:24:35Or your children?
00:24:37I don't even shout at them.
00:24:39I hide my drinking habits from them, of course.
00:24:42Look, I first started drinking heavily when I was made a company director.
00:24:46I found I couldn't communicate without drink.
00:24:48If I had to stand up and make a proposal to the board,
00:24:51I'd get a pain in my stomach and feel weak.
00:24:54But I found if I had a few drinks before,
00:24:58I'd have more drive, more confidence.
00:25:00I drank for confidence,
00:25:02not to indulge in any grandiose behavior or mad jealousy.
00:25:06I think my drinking is due to weakness.
00:25:11A weak will, if you like.
00:25:13It may be weak.
00:25:15But I am aware of myself.
00:25:17And I do love my wife.
00:25:19But I think that that night she saw that I was on the road back to alcoholism.
00:25:27Exactly.
00:25:28I have no further questions, my lord.
00:25:30Does your lordship have any?
00:25:31No.
00:25:31Alan Clennell has just finished giving his evidence.
00:25:34His wife, Petra Clennell, has been charged with wounding
00:25:37with intent to cause him grievous bodily harm.
00:25:39When he arrived home late one night after entertaining a business delegation,
00:25:44it is alleged she attacked and stabbed him with a pair of scissors.
00:25:47I call Sally Clennell.
00:25:49Sally Clennell.
00:25:50The daughter of the accused has been called to give evidence for the crown.
00:25:54Miss Sally, you're going to be asked some questions.
00:26:10Yes.
00:26:10And you must answer them truthfully, do you understand?
00:26:13I must tell the truth or be struck down.
00:26:16Yes, yes.
00:26:17Well, you must tell the truth.
00:26:19You see, sometimes we tell half-truths.
00:26:22We make up our own truth.
00:26:24But you mustn't do that today, even if you find it painful.
00:26:28Do you understand that?
00:26:30Yes, I mustn't distort the truth.
00:26:32I mustn't be prejudiced one way or the other.
00:26:35Yes.
00:26:35Well, I think you understand very well.
00:26:39Will you repeat these words after me?
00:26:42May I read them myself, please?
00:26:44Yes.
00:26:45Take the Bible in your right hand.
00:26:47Sir, by Almighty God, that the evidence I shall give
00:26:50shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
00:26:52You are Sally Clennell, and you are at present living with your father
00:26:57at Dean House, Beryl Road, Fulchester.
00:27:01Yes.
00:27:01Yes.
00:27:01Now, Sally, I want you to tell the court, in your own words,
00:27:04what happened on the night of September the 17th last year.
00:27:09Well, I spent the evening packing,
00:27:11because the following day I was going on a school trip to Paris.
00:27:14I went to bed quite early.
00:27:16Yes, what time was that?
00:27:17I don't remember exactly, but it was before ten.
00:27:19I was supposed to be leaving the house at seven.
00:27:22I didn't go in the end.
00:27:24No.
00:27:24Now, when you went to bed, did you go to sleep?
00:27:27No, I was too excited.
00:27:28I lay there reading.
00:27:30Then I heard Daddy.
00:27:31Yes.
00:27:31What exactly did you hear?
00:27:32His voice in the front door bang.
00:27:34And what did he say?
00:27:36Hello, where is everyone?
00:27:38How did he sound?
00:27:40Loud.
00:27:41Because there was no one in the hall.
00:27:42He was calling.
00:27:43Yes.
00:27:44What sort of tone did he use?
00:27:46Was he in a good mood?
00:27:47My lord, my friend was leading the witness.
00:27:50Or, as I was about to add, was he in a bad mood?
00:27:54You left rather a long pause.
00:27:57My lord.
00:27:58You must answer the question, Sally.
00:28:01He sounded quite happy.
00:28:04Then what happened?
00:28:05I heard Mummy shouting at him.
00:28:07And could you hear what she was saying?
00:28:09No.
00:28:10What did you do?
00:28:11I put my hands over my ears.
00:28:13Your mother's shouting, disturbed?
00:28:15It stopped me reading.
00:28:17I mean, it made you unhappy?
00:28:19I hate it when they quarrel.
00:28:21Oh, you mean they quarrel often?
00:28:22My lord.
00:28:23I'll rephrase that question.
00:28:26Had they quarrelled before?
00:28:28Often.
00:28:29But your parents do, don't they?
00:28:32How long did you hold your hands over your ears?
00:28:35Until I heard my mother scream out.
00:28:38Then there was banging and I turned over, but it went on.
00:28:41Then I went down.
00:28:42You went into the sitting room?
00:28:44Yes.
00:28:44And you saw your parents there?
00:28:46Yes.
00:28:47Now tell us what you saw, Sally.
00:28:50Daddy was standing in the middle of the room and Mummy was holding the scissors.
00:28:54She was attacking him.
00:28:55He was swaying as if he was very tired.
00:28:58He told Mummy to put the scissors down.
00:28:59He said she'd done enough already.
00:29:01Then he saw me and he turned and told me to go to bed.
00:29:04And then he fell down and there was blood on his hands.
00:29:07Thank you, Sally.
00:29:08I have no further questions.
00:29:10Please, can I go now?
00:29:11Well, Sally, I think you've been very brave.
00:29:15It cannot be very pleasant to have to recall what happened.
00:29:19But, you know, it's most important that the counsel for the defence should have a chance to ask you some questions.
00:29:30Sally, I shall ask you as few questions as I possibly can.
00:29:33And then I just want to go over what you've said.
00:29:35Now, you heard your father call out and then the front door bang.
00:29:39A moment later you heard your mother screaming.
00:29:41Is that correct?
00:29:42Yes.
00:29:43And that all happened very quickly?
00:29:45Yes.
00:29:45But you see, your father has told us that he went into the sitting room
00:29:49and then he went into the kitchen to look for his supper
00:29:51and then he went back into the sitting room.
00:29:54So it can't have all happened at once.
00:29:57No.
00:29:58I see.
00:29:59There was a bit of a pause.
00:30:01Yes.
00:30:02Now, in that pause, before you put your hands over your ears,
00:30:05that was when your mother screamed, wasn't it?
00:30:07Yes.
00:30:08Did you hear any banging in the kitchen?
00:30:11I think so.
00:30:12A sort of angry banging?
00:30:14I don't think so.
00:30:16Did you hear your father shout out,
00:30:17Where's my supper?
00:30:19He might have done.
00:30:20But when your mother screamed out, your father was silent?
00:30:23Yes.
00:30:25When your mother and father had rows, were they always one-sided?
00:30:28I don't understand.
00:30:30Was your father too cowardly to answer back?
00:30:33No, he shouted back.
00:30:35But on this evening, you only heard your mother shouting?
00:30:38Yes.
00:30:39Perhaps your father was a bit frightened of your mother.
00:30:41You didn't hear him, he didn't raise his voice.
00:30:43He said something.
00:30:45Said what?
00:30:45He shouted back.
00:30:46What did he shout?
00:30:48I couldn't hear what they were shouting.
00:30:49Because you had your hands over your ears?
00:30:52Yes.
00:30:53Because your parents were quarreling?
00:30:55Yes.
00:30:56Anyway, you heard your father sticking up for himself.
00:30:59Yes.
00:31:00You have to put my daughter through this!
00:31:02God forgive you for letting them!
00:31:04That will do.
00:31:05You will be silent.
00:31:06That's my daughter.
00:31:08She's not old enough to play your games!
00:31:11You will be silent.
00:31:12You will not shout from the dock again.
00:31:15Is that clear?
00:31:15Now, when you went downstairs, you saw your mother attacking your father.
00:31:24Is that correct?
00:31:25Yes, she was trying to stab him with the scissors.
00:31:28Wasn't your father doing anything to defend himself?
00:31:30He was trying to get the scissors.
00:31:32You mean they were struggling with each other?
00:31:34Yes.
00:31:35And then your father saw you?
00:31:37I screamed.
00:31:38He turned to you?
00:31:39Told me to go to bed.
00:31:41And what did your mother do?
00:31:43What did your mother do?
00:31:44Did she plunge the scissors into your father?
00:31:47You say she was trying to.
00:31:48Your father had turned to you.
00:31:49Now was her chance.
00:31:50What did she do?
00:31:51She dropped the scissors.
00:31:52You didn't see your father stabbed at all, did you?
00:31:57No.
00:31:57All that happened before you went down, didn't it?
00:32:00Yes.
00:32:01So what you actually saw, all you saw, was your mother and father struggling with each other?
00:32:07She stabbed Daddy!
00:32:10You love your father, don't you?
00:32:12Yes.
00:32:13Yes, of course you do.
00:32:14You've already told us he hardly ever shouts at you or your sister.
00:32:17He never does.
00:32:18I expect your mother shouts.
00:32:20Sometimes.
00:32:21Tells you off, tells you what to do.
00:32:23Warns you that she'll tell your father.
00:32:25He never does anything.
00:32:26But you don't see him very often, do you?
00:32:28At work all day, home late most nights.
00:32:31He leaves presents for the morning sometimes.
00:32:35Sally, why did you tell us that you saw your mother attacking your father?
00:32:39Thought she was.
00:32:41Because your mother does all the telling off and your father brings the presents.
00:32:45You've been doing what his lordship warned you not to do.
00:32:48Seeing the truth as you wanted to, haven't you?
00:32:56Do you love your mother, Sally?
00:32:59Yes.
00:33:00Yes.
00:33:01And you do understand that even if your mother and father were fighting with each other,
00:33:04your father wouldn't be in any trouble.
00:33:06You've nothing to cover up for.
00:33:08Do you understand?
00:33:08I thought he was staggering and blood and mummy was white and her mouth was so angry and the scissors.
00:33:17It was terrible.
00:33:20Does your lordship have any questions?
00:33:22Oh, no.
00:33:23Thank you, Sally.
00:33:24You may go now.
00:33:25There's no need for you to stay in court.
00:33:27Is there someone to take her home?
00:33:29Her aunt, my lord.
00:33:30You've been very brave, Sally.
00:33:35No matter what psychological harm it's done to her.
00:33:39I warn you for the last time.
00:33:42I wouldn't like to have to finish this case in your absence.
00:33:45But if we have any further outbursts, I shall have no other course left open to me.
00:33:51Now, is that understood?
00:34:06Would you explain what your relationship with the Clennell family was?
00:34:10I'm a counsellor working at Forchester Alcoholic Centre.
00:34:13Just over a year and a half ago, Alan Clennell's doctor referred him to the centre.
00:34:17I interviewed Alan and after a spell in hospital for detoxification, I became his individual counsellor.
00:34:24Will you now explain your involvement in the events of September the 17th of last year?
00:34:28Well, it was sometime after nine when Petra Clennell phoned.
00:34:31I had already gone to bed with a bad headache, but she sounded hysterical.
00:34:35So I said that I'd go straight over and asked if it had something to do with Alan.
00:34:38And why did you ask that?
00:34:40Well, it was her husband's alcoholism which first brought me into contact with the Clennell,
00:34:43so it seemed a reasonable assumption.
00:34:45She said,
00:34:48I've stabbed him, I've stabbed Alan, I've lost control.
00:34:51And those were her exact words.
00:34:52I've stabbed Alan, I lost control.
00:34:55Yes.
00:34:55I got into my car and drove straight round to their house.
00:34:58You didn't telephone for an ambulance or the police?
00:35:01Oh, no, my lord.
00:35:02She was hysterical.
00:35:03I thought that she was probably exaggerating.
00:35:05And I thought it best to keep the police out if possible.
00:35:08They don't like getting involved in domestic situations.
00:35:10Perhaps I should have called a doctor, but in the panic, I did feel some panic.
00:35:15Well, I threw my clothes on and drove straight round there.
00:35:18It took me about five minutes.
00:35:20Petra answered the door.
00:35:21She wasn't altogether coherent.
00:35:23But I gathered that Alan had started drinking again and that it had all been too much for her.
00:35:28Well, I found him slumped in a chair in the sitting room.
00:35:31I looked at his wounds and called an ambulance straight away.
00:35:35He'd already lost quite a lot of blood and I thought the wound in his back might be serious.
00:35:39The wounds in his thigh and side needed stitching, but it was the back wound that worried me.
00:35:43Did Alan Clennell say anything to him at that time?
00:35:46Oh, nothing at all, until the following morning when I went to see him in the hospital.
00:35:50Then he told me his wife had attacked him and he said...
00:35:52Wait a minute, Mrs. Murray.
00:35:54That is hearsay evidence.
00:35:57We are only interested in what you saw and heard, not what you were told.
00:36:01I'm sorry.
00:36:02Did Mrs. Clennell tell you what...
00:36:04One moment, Mr. Golding.
00:36:06When you arrived at the house, the accused said that her husband had been drinking again.
00:36:17Now, did you understand her to mean by that that she thought he'd relapsed into alcoholism again?
00:36:22Yes, she did, my lord.
00:36:23And in your opinion, was that true?
00:36:26I don't think that an alcoholic can return to normal social drinking.
00:36:30Are you saying that what his wife said was correct?
00:36:32I believe that without counselling, his social drinking was breaking down.
00:36:35Hmm, I see.
00:36:36Now, what do you mean by alcoholism?
00:36:41Presumably, you have some definition?
00:36:43Well, that isn't easy and no single definition can give you the whole picture.
00:36:47But having put that qualification, I would say that an alcoholic is someone who is physiologically and psychologically dependent upon alcohol and doing himself harm.
00:36:56Well, alcoholism has been referred throughout this case.
00:37:00I think it would be instructive if you could tell us a little more about the condition.
00:37:06Well, it's generally thought that the drunk who staggers about smelling of whiskey and singing Danny Boy is the alcoholic type.
00:37:13Well, that just isn't true.
00:37:15Well, the vast majority are lonely and quite anonymous.
00:37:19Television concentrates on the pathetic, vagrant alcoholic.
00:37:23You see, the BBC's Edna the Inebriate Woman isn't representative.
00:37:27The media paint a highly dramatic picture.
00:37:29Today's cases become highly dramatic.
00:37:31But I find that at least a third of the people who come to see me are shy and inhibited by basic nature.
00:37:38But, of course, there are various types of alcoholism.
00:37:40Can you explain to us what type Alan Kennel falls into?
00:37:47Well, often the drinking patterns overlap, but Alan was more or less in the regular and restrained pattern.
00:37:53This type drinks regularly every day, but although his capacity might be a bottle of whiskey a day, he doesn't lose control.
00:37:59Well, are you saying that this type is never violent?
00:38:02Oh, I'm not using it in that sense.
00:38:04Not control of his feelings, of his emotions.
00:38:07I'm talking about not losing control of the amount that he drinks.
00:38:11You see, if his needs are a bottle of whiskey a day, he will rarely go above that or even get drunk.
00:38:19There's no reaching under the bed in the middle of the night, because there's a high level of alcohol in the blood from the day before.
00:38:25But he does need that morning drink to keep the level right.
00:38:28So, once the alcohol in the blood drops to a certain level, the regular drinker will begin to feel withdrawn, and he'll need to top it up again.
00:38:37So it's a regular topping-up process throughout the day.
00:38:40I see.
00:38:41Well, thank you.
00:38:42Mr. Golding?
00:38:44Yes.
00:38:45Now, where were we?
00:38:47Where were we?
00:38:49We had just arrived at the house and telephoned for an ambulance.
00:38:53I'm indebted to your logic.
00:38:55Uh, whilst you were waiting for the ambulance, did Mrs. Clennell tell you what had happened?
00:39:01No, she didn't. Her daughter was there.
00:39:03Now, did Mr. Clennell show any sign of aggression at any point?
00:39:07None whatsoever.
00:39:08Now, when the ambulance arrived, what happened?
00:39:10I went with it.
00:39:12Mrs. Clennell didn't wish to go?
00:39:14I didn't ask her.
00:39:16Now, why was that?
00:39:17I didn't have a very good relationship with her.
00:39:19On what occasions had you met her?
00:39:22At the individual counselling sessions with Alan.
00:39:24The wife is included, is she?
00:39:26Oh, absolutely.
00:39:27Counselling can't be effective without both partners.
00:39:29The other partner's understanding is most important.
00:39:32And did you find the accused understanding?
00:39:34Not at all.
00:39:36At first, Alan didn't want her there, but I insisted.
00:39:38Yes.
00:39:39In what way did you find the accused unhelpful?
00:39:41Well, she enjoyed cutting Alan down.
00:39:44She said things like he'd been indulged by too many people.
00:39:47She had a great resentment towards him.
00:39:49Yes, and how did he take this resentment from his wife?
00:39:52He took it all quietly, philosophically.
00:39:55He never became violent?
00:39:56He isn't a violent man.
00:39:58And what about when he's in this state of alcohol?
00:40:01Oh, it doesn't change his temperament.
00:40:03I mean, it gives him more confidence, yes.
00:40:05But basically, he's the same kind, considerate person.
00:40:08Listen, you'd never know he'd been drinking
00:40:10except for a slight slowing down in a more positive manner.
00:40:13Yes.
00:40:14Now, were you surprised when the accused telephoned
00:40:16and said that she had stabbed her husband?
00:40:19No, I wasn't.
00:40:20And why was that?
00:40:22Well, at the counselling sessions,
00:40:25she had shown a violent temper.
00:40:28Alan once told me that there was a cure open to him
00:40:31to throw his job in and to leave his wife.
00:40:35This was after a session when she'd threatened to kill him.
00:40:38Did you tell Alan Clennell to leave his wife?
00:40:47I would never do a thing like that.
00:40:48We merely discussed the possibilities open to him.
00:40:50Does your job usually extend to giving that sort of advice?
00:40:54I did not tell him what to do,
00:40:55but it was obvious that they were destroying each other.
00:40:58But counsellors can't give that kind of specific advice.
00:41:01Forgive my ignorance, Mrs Murray.
00:41:03Oh, it is Mrs Murray, isn't it?
00:41:06Yes.
00:41:07But I believe you're divorced.
00:41:09Yes.
00:41:10And living alone at present.
00:41:12Yes.
00:41:13My lord, I'm not happy with this innuendo.
00:41:15If my learned friend has a point, I wish he would make it.
00:41:17Innuendo?
00:41:18My lord, I'm not trying to imply anything.
00:41:21I was merely trying to get the record straight.
00:41:22If you're suggesting that there was something between Alan Clennell and myself,
00:41:25then you are wrong.
00:41:27Obviously, I had and still have a relationship with him,
00:41:30not an acquaintanceship.
00:41:32When you counsel a man in dire need of help,
00:41:34you become involved.
00:41:35But that involvement is professional therapist to patient.
00:41:41However, what I was going to ask was,
00:41:43what sort of people become alcoholic counsellors?
00:41:47Stable individuals who are able to empathise with the patient
00:41:50and who are able to take charge without making the patient feel uneasy.
00:41:53And what qualities are necessary?
00:41:55Well, you have to be able to ask the right kind of questions,
00:41:58know the various types of alcoholism,
00:41:59and make a diagnosis before you decide on the treatment necessary.
00:42:03What sort of questions?
00:42:05I go into the alcoholic history,
00:42:07the personality and environment of the individual,
00:42:09both current and background,
00:42:10and then eventually you put all these aspects together.
00:42:13And what qualifications?
00:42:16Do you mean have I got?
00:42:18That'll do.
00:42:20Well, apart from personal experience,
00:42:22I have for some time been involved in medical social work.
00:42:27And because of my interest in alcoholism,
00:42:29I attended a concentrated educational course,
00:42:31and then a second, more advanced course.
00:42:33Were these full-time courses?
00:42:35Full-time courses.
00:42:36How long did they last?
00:42:37They were residential summer courses,
00:42:38lasting one week each.
00:42:40So from these two weeks' training,
00:42:42you're able to make all these decisions you're talking about.
00:42:45I am also doing an extramural course in social psychiatry.
00:42:49But you're not a psychiatrist, are you?
00:42:51No.
00:42:51Isn't that what the alcoholic needs?
00:42:53In the past, it was thought by some that alcoholism was a condition
00:42:56secondary to an identifiable neurosis or psychosis.
00:43:01But at least two-thirds of the people who come to see us are uncomplicated.
00:43:04Their personality problems and neurotic behaviour are as a result of their drinking,
00:43:08not the cause of their drinking.
00:43:10But if an individual with a gross personality defect comes to us,
00:43:13then of course we send him to a psychiatrist.
00:43:15But Alan Clennell has a personality defect, doesn't he?
00:43:19Wouldn't you call him a neurotic drinker?
00:43:21I did say that the patterns overlap.
00:43:24He started drinking because he couldn't cope with his job.
00:43:26He couldn't stay on top of it without drinking.
00:43:28But drinking caused the deterioration in his relationship with his wife.
00:43:31That was his main problem. He conquered the job problem.
00:43:34And as far as his wife was concerned,
00:43:37I thought it was up to you to see the wife's point of view as well.
00:43:40I tried very hard, but she was suspicious.
00:43:43But isn't that natural?
00:43:44You listened to her husband.
00:43:46You made no judgments, just listened.
00:43:49She began to feel that she were the guilty one.
00:43:51I tried, but she wouldn't give.
00:43:53Because she felt her husband should be doing the giving, not herself.
00:43:56I thought he stood more of a chance on his own.
00:43:58Perhaps I was wrong.
00:44:00I suggest, Mrs. Murray, that you stretched yourself too far with this case.
00:44:05That Alan Clennell should have consulted a psychiatrist.
00:44:08Then we beg to differ.
00:44:11At your counselling sessions, he listened to his wife's recriminations.
00:44:15And I defy anyone to live with an alcoholic for 15 years and not recriminate.
00:44:19He listened in silence.
00:44:20He didn't respond with open anger.
00:44:23And I suggest that is why your counselling didn't work.
00:44:25He drank to relieve that tension that had built up.
00:44:29And it's true, isn't it, that before such men achieve peace, there is a stage when social control goes.
00:44:34When intoxication dispels the timidity and the caution.
00:44:37It's the Jekyll and Hyde syndrome, isn't it?
00:44:39And it's in fact quite likely that it was Alan Clennell who struck out and tried to destroy his wife that night.
00:44:44And that she defended herself against a wild animal.
00:44:47But Tim and Ben who do such things under the power of alcohol are full of remorse the following morning.
00:44:51They can't live with themselves.
00:44:52If Alan had done such a thing, he'd be full of guilt, not accusing his wife of attacking him.
00:44:56When you arrived at the house, he didn't speak to you?
00:45:01No, he was in a state of shock.
00:45:03Are you sure it wasn't a state of alcoholic amnesia?
00:45:06Yes, I'm sure.
00:45:07And you're convinced that he remembers the events of that evening, are you?
00:45:10His wife told me when she phoned up.
00:45:13She said, I've stabbed Alan, I lost control.
00:45:17But you said that she was hysterical.
00:45:20She was.
00:45:21Well, then what she was saying must have been a jumble, words through sobs and hysteria.
00:45:24Some of it made sense.
00:45:26But what if she'd said, I stabbed Alan, lost control?
00:45:30But that's practically the same thing.
00:45:32No, no, no, not quite the same thing.
00:45:34Perhaps she said he lost control.
00:45:37Perhaps you didn't quite catch the first word
00:45:39and you fill in with one that fitted in with what you wanted to believe.
00:45:43Wanted to believe?
00:45:45You have been asked to give evidence in the court and passed, haven't you?
00:45:48Yes.
00:45:49And you've been subpoenaed?
00:45:50Yes.
00:45:51But you didn't appear?
00:45:53No.
00:45:53Why not?
00:45:54The relationship with the patient is confidential.
00:45:59You would never give evidence against a patient, would you?
00:46:03That would betray a trust, wouldn't it?
00:46:05That shows an admirable trait in your character, Mrs Muddy.
00:46:09It also shows why you're prepared to believe the iniquitous charges against this innocent woman.
00:46:14The case is in Fortester are fictitious.
00:46:35Join us again tomorrow when the Queen against Clennell will be concluded in the Crown Court.
00:46:39Petra Clennell is on trial on a charge of wounding
00:47:08with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
00:47:10Her husband, Alan Clennell, has claimed that his wife attacked and stabbed him three times
00:47:14with a large pair of scissors.
00:47:16The prosecution case closed with the evidence of Mrs Joyce Murray,
00:47:20a counsellor at the Fullchester Alcoholic Centre, where Alan Clennell has been a patient.
00:47:24She told the court how she was telephoned by Petra Clennell,
00:47:27who was hysterical and shouting,
00:47:29I've stabbed my husband, I lost control.
00:47:32Today the defence start their case,
00:47:34and Petra Clennell will have her chance of putting her version of what happened that night.
00:47:40Mrs Clennell,
00:47:41will you tell the court what happened on the evening of September the 17th last year?
00:47:47My husband phoned me at about six o'clock and said he was going to be late home.
00:47:50Did he explain why?
00:47:52He said a Japanese delegation had placed some big orders
00:47:55and that he was taken to the club for a drink.
00:47:58Did he say how long he might be?
00:48:00He said about an hour.
00:48:01He said to have dinner ready for 7.30,
00:48:04and I said that would be fine, we could eat with the children.
00:48:07And what time did he eventually arrive home?
00:48:08Sally went to bed about 9.30,
00:48:11and he came in some time after that.
00:48:14I was sitting by the fire.
00:48:17I was bored with television.
00:48:19I'd put a record on.
00:48:22I hadn't turned the television off.
00:48:24I'd just turned the sound down.
00:48:26Why did you leave it on?
00:48:28Kept my eyes busy.
00:48:30I was cutting out a paper pattern.
00:48:33Well, anything to keep my mind occupied
00:48:36so I wouldn't have to think.
00:48:38They were distractions.
00:48:39Distractions from what?
00:48:42Worrying about Alan.
00:48:44He told me three weeks ago that he'd started social drinking.
00:48:49I knew he'd started long before that because I could smell it,
00:48:52and I knew it was only a matter of time before he had a relapse.
00:48:56When he hadn't arrived home by 8.30,
00:48:59I went round the house searching.
00:49:01And what were you looking for?
00:49:04The hidden bottle.
00:49:06I found it.
00:49:07A bottle of gin in the central heating cupboard.
00:49:10And when he came home, I knew it had happened.
00:49:14How did you know?
00:49:17Because he sounded quite drunk.
00:49:19Four hours in a drinking atmosphere had been too much for him.
00:49:22And I suddenly felt this enormous hostility.
00:49:26I'd always looked on his drinking as an illness before, you see,
00:49:30and that's how I'd coped with it.
00:49:33But this time I...
00:49:34I thought, well, he could have come home.
00:49:36He needn't have stayed at the club.
00:49:38It was his choice to stay and drink.
00:49:40I suddenly felt quite helpless.
00:49:44He asked me where the children were.
00:49:46I...
00:49:47I didn't reply.
00:49:51I knew I wasn't going to be able to cope.
00:49:54Perhaps if I'd been a different sort of woman,
00:49:57this would never have happened.
00:49:59Do you mean your husband's alcoholism?
00:50:02Yes, that.
00:50:04And the fights.
00:50:06This.
00:50:07Everything.
00:50:07He crossed to the record player and he turned it off.
00:50:11He said, you don't want that rubbish, do you?
00:50:14And then he went into the kitchen
00:50:15and he banged about in there for a while
00:50:18and then he shouted, where's my supper?
00:50:21And then he came back into the sitting room
00:50:23and I said, your supper's on the stove.
00:50:26And he said, I don't mean that rubbish.
00:50:29I'm talking about my liquid supper.
00:50:31Have you been at the central heating cupboard?
00:50:34And he told me if I had that he'd break my neck.
00:50:38And I told him that if he'd touch me, I'd kill him.
00:50:42He called me a bloody, sanctimonious, self-righteous bitch.
00:50:48And I just...
00:50:49I went on making the dress.
00:50:51I was cutting it out.
00:50:52But I couldn't help myself.
00:50:57I said, so you had a good time, did you?
00:51:00And he said, come to heel, bitch.
00:51:04Facetious bitches are liable to get their mouths punched in.
00:51:06Were you in any way prepared for this self-generated aggression?
00:51:12Prepared? No.
00:51:14You're never prepared.
00:51:17It followed a pattern, you see, the drinking.
00:51:19When he was drinking regularly, he was manageable.
00:51:25He only got like this when he'd had a drink over his alcoholic need
00:51:28and got himself drunk.
00:51:29Well, I thought the best thing that I could do under the circumstances was to go to bed.
00:51:36So I said I'd see him in the morning and I asked him if he'd sleep in the spare room.
00:51:41I crossed the room and I passed him
00:51:47and he suddenly slapped the side of my face and knocked me against the wall.
00:51:53I...
00:51:53I...
00:51:55I couldn't hear properly for a minute.
00:51:57I...
00:51:58I screamed.
00:51:59It was such a shock.
00:52:01It was so sudden.
00:52:04I...
00:52:04I just felt this burning pain from the blow.
00:52:10I felt violated.
00:52:12And what happened next?
00:52:14Well, I just stared at him.
00:52:17And then he stopped and...
00:52:20He said you'd like me locked up, wouldn't you?
00:52:25Well, I...
00:52:29I...
00:52:31I told him I couldn't go through with it all again.
00:52:35Go through what, exactly?
00:52:38Find in bottles when he tells me he's stopped.
00:52:40Drinking champagne to celebrate that he's cured.
00:52:44Yes, he did that.
00:52:46It's quite funny, really, if you don't live with it.
00:52:48The walkings out and the...
00:52:51The reconciliations, the coming home late, the excuses, the lies, the rows, the...
00:52:58The good days.
00:53:01The promises.
00:53:03The hoping.
00:53:04You told him you couldn't go through all that again.
00:53:08Yes, I told him I was going to leave him this time.
00:53:11And how did he react?
00:53:12He said there's another man.
00:53:14And was there?
00:53:15It's a bit difficult for a woman with children.
00:53:17Your husband stopped railing at you.
00:53:21Yes, for the moment.
00:53:22Your threatening to leave him was a shock to him.
00:53:25Well, he just kept shouting,
00:53:26Who is he?
00:53:26Who is he?
00:53:27Who is he?
00:53:27And I yelled,
00:53:28There's no one.
00:53:29No one.
00:53:30And then he came towards me and made a grab.
00:53:33And I said if he touched me, I'd kill him.
00:53:37And then he went to the sideboard and he...
00:53:41He got my handbag out.
00:53:44He spilled everything onto the floor and he...
00:53:47He scrambled around like a dog, pouring at my belongings.
00:53:51And what was he looking for?
00:53:54He was searching for a photograph of my lover.
00:53:57And he told me when he found it, he'd throttle me.
00:54:01He thought there must be someone, because how could I manage without him?
00:54:07He tried to put me down.
00:54:09I told him that I'd get a job, that I could study for something.
00:54:14He tried to put me down.
00:54:17And I realized that 16 years of living with him had totally demoralized me.
00:54:23And then he stopped looking for the photograph.
00:54:28He stood up.
00:54:30And I thought, thank God, he's played himself out.
00:54:33And then he moved to pass me.
00:54:43And he turned.
00:54:45And he got me by the throat and he forced me against the wall.
00:54:51And I thought, this is it.
00:54:53This is the end.
00:54:54And I think I would have given up if it hadn't been for my children.
00:55:03And my hand was free.
00:55:06And I got my hand round his back.
00:55:10And I stuck the scissors in.
00:55:13He let go of me and clutched his back.
00:55:15And I felt as if I were mad.
00:55:21As if he were mad.
00:55:24I mean, a minute ago I'd been sitting listening to a record.
00:55:29And then he came at me again.
00:55:32And I stabbed him again.
00:55:36And then we fell on the floor.
00:55:37And he got his hands round my throat.
00:55:42And the scissors went into his leg.
00:55:46He stood up.
00:55:49It was then that Sal, my daughter, came in.
00:55:55He passed out a minute later.
00:55:59And then you telephoned Mrs Murray?
00:56:01Yes, I did.
00:56:02Now, why didn't you telephone for an ambulance?
00:56:04Well, I was afraid that if I did that,
00:56:07that I'd have to tell them that he was trying to kill me.
00:56:10So you weren't frightened for yourself?
00:56:13For myself?
00:56:14That you might be charged with assault.
00:56:17It never even entered my head.
00:56:21Now, when you telephoned Mrs Murray,
00:56:22did you say,
00:56:24I've stabbed my husband, I lost control?
00:56:26No, no, I didn't say that.
00:56:28My husband was attacking me,
00:56:29and I was defending myself.
00:56:30Do you remember what you said on the telephone?
00:56:35No, I'm sorry, I don't remember.
00:56:38Now, she came over within five minutes
00:56:39and rang for an ambulance straight away.
00:56:41Did you talk about what had happened?
00:56:43Well, she asked me, but I didn't tell her.
00:56:46Why was that?
00:56:48Because I didn't like her.
00:56:50When I cared about Alan, she...
00:56:54Oh, she made me very jealous.
00:56:56Did you suspect them of being lovers?
00:56:58Her patient-counselor relationship was very close.
00:57:04She, um...
00:57:05She always made me feel like an outsider.
00:57:09As if I were the guilty one.
00:57:13But you see...
00:57:14She didn't have to cope with the reality.
00:57:16Thank you, Mrs. Clenall.
00:57:23Now, Mrs. Clenall,
00:57:24you claim your husband came home staggering about.
00:57:27No, I...
00:57:28No, I didn't say he was staggering about.
00:57:30He was drunk.
00:57:30He wasn't staggering about.
00:57:31Very well, that he was drunk,
00:57:33and that he threw his dinner away,
00:57:35smashed you in the face because you'd hidden his drink.
00:57:37Yes, he did that.
00:57:38Yes, and that he then grabbed you by the throat
00:57:40and tried to strangle you.
00:57:41Yes.
00:57:41And you are telling this court
00:57:43that your husband was following a pattern of behaviour...
00:57:45No.
00:57:45...that you lived with a man for 16 years
00:57:47who continually behaved like this.
00:57:48No, I didn't say.
00:57:49I didn't say that.
00:57:51That's exactly what you said.
00:57:52Well, I didn't mean it.
00:57:53Well, you'd better explain exactly what you meant, then.
00:57:55When we first married,
00:58:03I didn't really know how much Alan was drinking.
00:58:07I really didn't think about it very much.
00:58:09Alan, in the company of his friends,
00:58:11was always good for a laugh.
00:58:13And after the birth of our first child,
00:58:15I didn't go out with him so much.
00:58:18He got a job in the management side of his company,
00:58:21and he had much more to do.
00:58:22He had more engagements.
00:58:23But when we did go out to dinners or parties,
00:58:27he always drank a very great deal,
00:58:29and I began to worry about it.
00:58:31I spoke to his friends about it,
00:58:32and they just laughed.
00:58:35They gave me very little sympathy.
00:58:38Drink is a drug accepted by this society.
00:58:42I suppose if I'd said,
00:58:44my husband's on heroin.
00:58:47Well, everybody seemed to be having such a marvellous time.
00:58:50I decided to start drinking as well.
00:58:52And in the beginning, I quite enjoyed it.
00:58:54I entered into the part, if you'd like.
00:58:57But then I couldn't keep it up.
00:58:58I began to feel very ill,
00:59:00so I dropped out.
00:59:01I watched Alan drinking day after day,
00:59:05week after week.
00:59:07I went to my doctor,
00:59:08and he gave me some tranquilizers.
00:59:11And then I rang up Alcoholics Anonymous,
00:59:13and they told me that Alan would have to go to them
00:59:16of his own free will.
00:59:19I spoke to Alan about it,
00:59:20and he was furious.
00:59:21He said there was nothing wrong with him.
00:59:25He began to repel me physically.
00:59:27He always smelt of stale drink and tobacco.
00:59:30He started burning holes in the sheets and the carpet.
00:59:38Well, by this time, he knew he was ill.
00:59:41He knew there was something wrong,
00:59:43but he wouldn't do anything about it.
00:59:45He began to blame me.
00:59:48He was bitter, and he was very resentful.
00:59:52And socially, he was charming.
00:59:55He began to get very jealous.
00:59:57He, um, burnt my clothes,
01:00:01and he broke my jewelry in drunken rages.
01:00:06That's what I mean by patterns of behavior.
01:00:09Yes, and did these patterns, as you call them,
01:00:11involve physical violence on you?
01:00:13Not on me, no.
01:00:14No?
01:00:14I might have defended myself.
01:00:19In a drunken fit, he attacked.
01:00:23He attacked what?
01:00:26He attacked.
01:00:28What did he attack, Mrs. Glenelg?
01:00:33He murdered our baby.
01:00:35Murdered your baby.
01:00:40Do you mean that?
01:00:42Yes, I do.
01:00:45Mr. Sissons.
01:00:48My lord, I know nothing about this matter.
01:00:50Well, I think we should adjourn
01:00:52while you make some inquiries.
01:00:54All set.
01:00:55Well, it's true.
01:01:10He murdered the child?
01:01:11That the baby died.
01:01:12How long ago?
01:01:13Eleven years.
01:01:15God, what a mess.
01:01:17I think people do to each other, eh?
01:01:20What about the police?
01:01:21I hope to God it was all official.
01:01:22Yes, I managed to talk to the detective in charge.
01:01:24And how did she say it happened?
01:01:26Well, she says that her husband came home
01:01:28and started his jealous bit off again.
01:01:30Seems he was getting pathologically jealous.
01:01:32He started asking her how many lovers she'd had
01:01:34and then he said he didn't think their second child was his.
01:01:37Apparently, he went on and on
01:01:38and eventually to shut him up,
01:01:39she said, all right, he's not yours.
01:01:41He went up the stairs,
01:01:42took the baby out of the cot
01:01:43and banged its head against the wall.
01:01:46Just once.
01:01:48Ah, superintendent.
01:01:50Superintendent Keele, Mr. Golding.
01:01:51No, no.
01:01:52Thanks for coming in.
01:01:52As a matter of fact,
01:01:53I was in another court.
01:01:55Now, look,
01:01:55I've not gone through the file
01:01:57because I've not been back to the station.
01:01:59But I do remember the case very well.
01:02:00My wife had just had a baby
01:02:02so it made quite an impression.
01:02:04Did the police spring any charge?
01:02:06No,
01:02:06there was a contusion on the crown of his head
01:02:08but no other wounds or any injury.
01:02:09And how did they say it happened?
01:02:11The husband picked up the baby
01:02:12and he dropped it.
01:02:14But a contusion on the crown of the head
01:02:15he'd have had to fall upside down.
01:02:16You don't pick a baby up like that.
01:02:18Well, according to the husband,
01:02:19he took the kid out of the cot
01:02:20and he, you know,
01:02:22held him here
01:02:22and he was playing with him
01:02:23and the kid went over his shoulder.
01:02:25You get many babies who die like that?
01:02:27Someone usually gets charged.
01:02:29And why not in this case?
01:02:30Oh, there's nothing, you see.
01:02:31There was no witness.
01:02:32The wife?
01:02:33Oh, she was a witness.
01:02:34What about her story?
01:02:35Well, at the time,
01:02:36she agreed with the husband's story.
01:02:38Had he been drinking?
01:02:39Well, by the time I arrived,
01:02:40he'd had a few.
01:02:41His wife said it was the shot.
01:02:43Do you think she was trying
01:02:44to cover up for him?
01:02:45There was no evidence
01:02:45to substantiate that supposition.
01:02:47But what do you think...
01:02:48No, what can you do?
01:02:49The wife agreed with the husband's story.
01:02:51There was no witness.
01:02:52Believe me, you're up against it.
01:02:54Well, what do you think?
01:02:55Well, if she sticks to the murder accusation,
01:02:57it won't do her any good.
01:02:58I mean, I can knock holes in that.
01:02:59Vindictive distortion.
01:03:01Oh, thanks for coming in, Superintendent.
01:03:03Oh, and if she sticks to her story,
01:03:04they could both be on trial for that kid.
01:03:09Well, Marcus,
01:03:10who's going to tell them?
01:03:12You may as well.
01:03:14Some better coming from you.
01:03:22My lord, there was a child who died,
01:03:24but due to the circumstances,
01:03:26no charge was brought.
01:03:27What were the circumstances?
01:03:29Due to a lack of evidence, my lord.
01:03:31The only witness was the accused,
01:03:33and at the time,
01:03:34she stated that the child's death
01:03:35was an accident.
01:03:36Death by misadventure was brought in.
01:03:39Mrs. Clenrol,
01:03:40do you wish to say anything?
01:03:42I'm sorry I said it.
01:03:45You know,
01:03:46you've done yourself no good
01:03:49by making this false accusation
01:03:51against your husband.
01:03:52You may continue, Mr. Curley.
01:03:56My lord.
01:03:58You were at university with your husband,
01:04:00you said?
01:04:01Yes.
01:04:01It was a happy time?
01:04:03Yes.
01:04:04Your husband took a first-class honours degree?
01:04:06Yes.
01:04:07And you took a double first?
01:04:09Yes.
01:04:09What did you read?
01:04:11Science.
01:04:12And your husband?
01:04:13Science.
01:04:13You were cleverer than he was?
01:04:16No.
01:04:17There must have been some reason
01:04:18for your gaining a double first,
01:04:19Mrs. Clenrol.
01:04:21He lacked creative flair.
01:04:24In science?
01:04:25Science at its highest level
01:04:27can be considered creative thought.
01:04:29You didn't go on to take your doctorate?
01:04:33No.
01:04:33You got married instead?
01:04:35Well, you know I did.
01:04:36Although you had brilliant prospects in front of him.
01:04:39I loved Alan.
01:04:40You gave everything up for him?
01:04:42We got married.
01:04:44You could have gone on with your career.
01:04:46We decided to have children.
01:04:48Your husband tried for his doctorate.
01:04:51He failed.
01:04:52That must have been a great disappointment.
01:04:54We all have to find our own level.
01:04:57But you were ambitious for him, weren't you?
01:04:59Well, isn't any wife?
01:05:00You pushed him hard, didn't you?
01:05:01Channelled your considerable talents
01:05:03towards pushing him.
01:05:04I loved him.
01:05:06But he couldn't cope, could he, Mrs. Clenrol?
01:05:08He's already told us he started drinking
01:05:10when he had to confront board meetings
01:05:11as one of the directors.
01:05:13I think Alan might have been better
01:05:14with another woman.
01:05:15I think I pushed him too hard.
01:05:18But the tendency towards drink
01:05:20was always in his make-up.
01:05:22I admit I might have been the catalyst.
01:05:24Yes, and over the years
01:05:25your resentment towards your husband grew, didn't it?
01:05:27You'd thrown away a promising career,
01:05:29a brilliant career, from what I've been told.
01:05:31And you found yourself married to someone
01:05:33who was, on your terms, pretty mediocre.
01:05:35Do you deny that?
01:05:37We all have to find our own level.
01:05:38Yes, but as the years slipped by
01:05:40and you had a family
01:05:41you began to see yourself as pretty mediocre, didn't you?
01:05:44Being married wasn't enough for you, was it?
01:05:46It wasn't a marriage.
01:05:48Not a proper marriage.
01:05:50You don't stay close to an alcoholic.
01:05:53You nurse him.
01:05:54You watch him.
01:05:56You don't trust him.
01:05:57You ended up not trusting your own husband, yes.
01:06:01You even thought he was having an affair
01:06:02with his counsellor, Joyce Murray.
01:06:05I knew he preferred being with her.
01:06:07Could that have been because
01:06:08she didn't make him feel a failure, Mrs. Clenrol?
01:06:11Could that have been because
01:06:12she didn't put him down?
01:06:13She hadn't lived with him for 16 years
01:06:15and had her life destroyed by him.
01:06:17Exactly.
01:06:18And that is why you lost control
01:06:19and tried to kill your husband, isn't it, Mrs. Clenrol?
01:06:22You'd spent 16 years with him,
01:06:2416 of the most important years of your life,
01:06:26and he had, in your eyes,
01:06:28taken them from you
01:06:29and destroyed you.
01:06:30You twist everything in this legal game.
01:06:32You're the one who twists everything, Mrs. Clenrol,
01:06:34even to the point of accusing your husband
01:06:35of murdering your own child.
01:06:37It was the drink.
01:06:38It was through the drink.
01:06:39Mr. Golding,
01:06:40that is a matter that has little relevance
01:06:43to this trial.
01:06:45Come now to the events of September the 17th.
01:06:48That is the only issue
01:06:49that this jury have to decide.
01:06:52Mrs. Clenrol,
01:06:54are you quite well?
01:06:55Yes, thank you.
01:06:58Very well.
01:06:59Give her a chair.
01:07:00No, no, no.
01:07:01I feel less unequal on my feet.
01:07:03I consider you to be at least my equal, Mrs. Clenrol.
01:07:05Oh, I don't mean you.
01:07:07I mean all this,
01:07:08the whole machinery.
01:07:09You're on your own territory.
01:07:11You did attack your husband, didn't you?
01:07:13Yes, verbally.
01:07:14I attacked him.
01:07:15And then, physically?
01:07:16He tried to tell me
01:07:18I couldn't manage without him.
01:07:20He told me that
01:07:21I couldn't manage if he went.
01:07:23If he went.
01:07:24And I...
01:07:25He tried to put me down.
01:07:26Well, he believed it.
01:07:28He had been doing it,
01:07:29and I'd let him.
01:07:31If you spend a lot of your time with children,
01:07:34you begin to believe anything.
01:07:36You begin to believe you're a vegetable.
01:07:39I told him he was the failure.
01:07:41He was the one who wouldn't manage when I went.
01:07:44He needed a mother, not a wife.
01:07:47He was my third child.
01:07:49Not a husband.
01:07:50Not a man.
01:07:52He knew that was true.
01:07:54He knew it was the truth.
01:07:55He resented it,
01:07:56and that is why he attacked me.
01:07:58And he tried to strangle you?
01:07:59Yes.
01:08:00Got his hands around your throat?
01:08:01Yes.
01:08:02And started to throttle the life out of you,
01:08:03and then, terrified for your life,
01:08:05you stabbed him in the back.
01:08:06Yes.
01:08:06And yet the doctor who examined you
01:08:08a little after your husband was taken to hospital
01:08:10found no marks around your neck.
01:08:12The side of my head was bruised and swollen.
01:08:15Your husband admitted that he struck you on the side of the head.
01:08:18He did that after you had stabbed him in the back.
01:08:20He was trying to defend himself.
01:08:21No, I didn't.
01:08:22Didn't what?
01:08:22Didn't stab him?
01:08:23Yes.
01:08:24I'm confused.
01:08:25You're confusing.
01:08:26Confused about what happened?
01:08:28I was going to bed, and he came at me.
01:08:31Yes.
01:08:31Do you usually take scissors to bed with you?
01:08:33What?
01:08:34You were going to bed with the scissors.
01:08:36When?
01:08:37You crossed the room to go to bed.
01:08:39Your husband made a grab at you,
01:08:40pushed you against the wall,
01:08:41and then a moment later you were stabbing him.
01:08:42Now, where did the scissors come from?
01:08:43Well, I had them in my hand.
01:08:45Were you taking them to bed?
01:08:47I hadn't put them down.
01:08:48Do you normally take a large pair of scissors to bed with you, Mrs?
01:08:51No!
01:08:51No, because you weren't going to bed, were you, Mrs Glennell?
01:08:54You looked at your husband, drinking again,
01:08:57and you despised him for his weakness,
01:08:59and you tried to kill him, didn't you?
01:09:03I looked at my husband,
01:09:05and I thought I must now acknowledge failure.
01:09:11I've taken charge of you.
01:09:14I've managed your house.
01:09:17I've helped you.
01:09:19I've covered up for you.
01:09:20I've hidden everything from your children.
01:09:25I've protected you.
01:09:28I've been your mother more than your wife.
01:09:36I did not attack my husband.
01:09:38Members of the jury,
01:09:48the charge in this case is wounding
01:09:51with intent to do grievous bodily harm.
01:09:55The issue is not whether or not
01:09:57the accused caused her husband's injuries.
01:09:59That has been admitted.
01:10:01But what was her intention?
01:10:04If you consider that she attacked her husband,
01:10:08then she is guilty,
01:10:10and you will bring in such a verdict.
01:10:13But if you believe that her husband attacked her,
01:10:18and that she was defending herself,
01:10:20and had no intention of causing bodily harm,
01:10:23then you will find the accused not guilty.
01:10:26You must ask yourselves
01:10:28whether the attack was so violent
01:10:31and so prolonged
01:10:33as to justify her firstly in using scissors,
01:10:37and secondly in using them more than once.
01:10:42You will now retire and elect a foreman
01:10:44who will speak for you,
01:10:45and consider your verdict.
01:10:48All stand.
01:10:48Members of the jury,
01:10:56will your foreman please stand?
01:10:59Just answer the question, yes or no.
01:11:01Have you reached a verdict on which you're all agreed?
01:11:03Yes.
01:11:04Do you find the accused, Petra Clennell,
01:11:06guilty or not guilty,
01:11:08of wounding with intent to cause
01:11:10grievous bodily harm on Alan Clennell?
01:11:13Guilty.
01:11:13Petra Clennell,
01:11:16you have been found guilty
01:11:18of a violent attack upon your husband,
01:11:20an attack in which you sought
01:11:22your own retribution and revenge.
01:11:24Now that is something
01:11:25that the law of this country will not allow.
01:11:28I have thought most carefully about this case,
01:11:31and because I think that both you
01:11:32and your husband need help,
01:11:35and because there are no previous convictions,
01:11:38I sentence you to a term
01:11:40of three years' imprisonment
01:11:42suspended for two years.
01:11:45I'm doing this
01:11:46so that you may seek and obtain help.
01:11:49.
01:11:49.
01:11:51.
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