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Crown Court - No Questions Asked. Philip Shepherd has been charged with the murder of John Butlin. Peter Jeffrey, TP McKenna and Norman Jones star.

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00:00:00Members of the jury, that is the case for the Crown.

00:00:08Now, any criminal charge made in any English court of law

00:00:12must be proved to the satisfaction of the jury.

00:00:15If you fail to find the charge proved against the accused, you will acquit.

00:00:20It is only if you are satisfied that the prosecution do prove that charge

00:00:24that you will convict.

00:00:26Now, the case for the Crown is this, and nothing less.

00:00:30That Philip Shepard murdered John Buckland on or about the 5th of May last.

00:00:36That the murder took place at Shepard's home.

00:00:39That Shepard subsequently cut the body of the dead man into pieces.

00:00:45That those parts of the body were then wrapped up by Shepard,

00:00:49removed from his home by him, and dropped into the Irish Sea.

00:00:54I call Dr Neville Sutherland.

00:01:00I swear by Almighty God that the evidence I shall give

00:01:18shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

00:01:21Your full name is Neville Sutherland.

00:01:24It is.

00:01:25You are a registered medical practitioner and a consultant forensic pathologist.

00:01:29I am.

00:01:30Doctor, would you please tell his lordship and the court what qualifications you hold?

00:01:34I am a doctor of medicine, a bachelor of surgery, fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists,

00:01:38and I hold diplomas in medical jurisprudence and pathology.

00:01:42Did you, on the 25th of May last, perform a post-mortem on an unidentified headless torso

00:01:47at Fulchester Mortuary?

00:01:49Yes, I did, and I carried out forensic tests on the clothing that was on the body and on

00:01:53the sacking and ropes.

00:01:55Sacking?

00:01:55Yes, my lord, the torso was found floating in the River Dee on the 24th of May,

00:02:00and when discovered, it was wrapped in sacking that was secured to the body by ropes.

00:02:04Thank you, Mr Edgar.

00:02:05If we may deal with the torso firstly, Doctor, what were your findings?

00:02:09My lord, these are my notes and the post-mortem report.

00:02:12May I refer to them, please?

00:02:13Were they made at the time of the examination?

00:02:15They were, my lord.

00:02:15Very well.

00:02:16Thank you, my lord.

00:02:17Now, the torso was that of a man.

00:02:22I estimate the age of the man as mid to late forties.

00:02:25There were three stab wounds in the chest.

00:02:28The partial decomposition of the body and subsequent forensic tests indicated the man

00:02:31had been dead approximately three weeks.

00:02:33It was apparent that the body had been dismembered by someone with very little,

00:02:36if any, medical knowledge.

00:02:38The cause of death was the three stab wounds, one of which had pierced the heart.

00:02:42Thank you, Doctor.

00:02:43Now, with regard to the sacking and the ropes, you've carried out forensic tests on these.

00:02:46Yes, I did.

00:02:48And what conclusions did you reach?

00:02:49That the body had not been thrown into the River Dee, where it was found,

00:02:54but had, in fact, been dropped into the open sea from an aeroplane.

00:02:59Just a moment, Mr Edgar.

00:03:01Dr Sutherland.

00:03:02Yes, my lord.

00:03:02Do I understand you to say that although this torso was found in the River Dee...

00:03:08By the way, Mr Edgar, whereabouts in the River Dee?

00:03:10At Hollywell, my lord.

00:03:11Ah.

00:03:12Although the torso of this man was found at Hollywell in the River Dee,

00:03:15you believe it was dropped from an aeroplane to the Irish Sea?

00:03:18That is correct, my lord.

00:03:19That would mean that the torso is floating upriver?

00:03:23Yes, my lord.

00:03:24Wouldn't the tide carry it out to sea again?

00:03:26That would normally be the case, my lord.

00:03:29For example, a body dropped upriver in, say, the Thames,

00:03:32would float nine miles downstream on the ebb tide

00:03:36and eight and a half miles back up on the flood tide.

00:03:39Therefore, it would move half a mile towards the open sea on every complete tide

00:03:42until it eventually reached the open sea.

00:03:45There are, however, exceptions to this rule.

00:03:49Evidently, we have one here.

00:03:50How do you explain it?

00:03:52Undercurrents, my lord.

00:03:53Occasionally move in directly the opposite direction to the direction of the tide.

00:03:57So as the tide is moving in one direction,

00:04:00a powerful undercurrent moving the other way

00:04:01is capable of carrying objects upriver.

00:04:04There have been a number of very well-documented incidents recently

00:04:07where radioactive waste matter has been dumped at the mouths of rivers in this country.

00:04:11Subsequent research has revealed radioactive waste matter had moved inland.

00:04:16And you believe that happened to this torso?

00:04:18I do, my lord.

00:04:19It's the only explanation for the algae which I found on the sacking and on the body itself.

00:04:24It is a saltwater variety commonly found in the Irish Sea, never in freshwater.

00:04:28Ah.

00:04:29By algae, Dr Southerman is referring to seaweed and the like.

00:04:33Is that not so, doctor?

00:04:34Yes, my lord.

00:04:35Thank you very much, doctor.

00:04:36Most informative.

00:04:37Doctor, why did you conclude that the torso had been dropped from a plane?

00:04:45Apart from the three stab wounds, there were no external injuries on the body.

00:04:50Now, internally, however, there were a number of injuries

00:04:53which in my experience can be caused in only one way.

00:04:56I have conducted a number of post-mortems on airmen whose parachutes fail to open over the sea.

00:05:03Now, the internal injuries I found in this torso were identical with the injuries I had previously found in those airmen.

00:05:09Thank you, doctor.

00:05:10Now, on the 27th of May last, were you given a set of fingerprints by Detective Chief Inspector Rutherford?

00:05:16Yes, I was.

00:05:17I carried out certain tests, and I was subsequently able to advise Chief Inspector Rutherford

00:05:21that the set of prints he had given me came from the hands of the dead man.

00:05:25And did he then advise you of the identity of the dead man?

00:05:27He did.

00:05:28He told me the body was that of John Butlin.

00:05:31On the 29th of May last, did the Chief Inspector request you to carry out an examination at the home of the accused?

00:05:37Yes, he did.

00:05:38I examined the first floor flat at 42 Park Street, Fulchester.

00:05:43The house is divided into two maisonettes, my lord.

00:05:45The accused lives on the first floor.

00:05:47Oh, do you think plans of this flat would be of any use of this juncture, Mr. Edgar?

00:05:50Yes, I was about to introduce them, my lord.

00:05:52Ah.

00:05:52Could you please?

00:05:58Thank you so much.

00:06:01Doctor, would you please tell the court what you found at the flat?

00:06:05Yes, on the stairs inside the front door of the flat, and leading up to the flat itself,

00:06:10I found traces of blood on the linoleum.

00:06:12On the edge of a carpet in the living room, on the boards beneath the carpet,

00:06:18and underneath the boards, I found further traces of blood.

00:06:21With regard to the traces of blood on the carpet, an attempt had been made to remove these.

00:06:26The carpet had been cleaned and dyed after becoming bloodstained.

00:06:29All the bloodstains found were of the same blood group as that of the deceased man, John Butlin.

00:06:36Dr. Sutherland, the accused blood group, does Shepard share the same blood group?

00:06:42No, my lord.

00:06:42Uh-huh.

00:06:43On the same day, the 29th of May, did you also examine a two-seater light aircraft,

00:06:48a Cessna 150, had hired an aerodrome?

00:06:51I did.

00:06:51And what, if anything, did you find?

00:06:53I found traces of blood on the right-hand seat, the passenger seat.

00:06:57I also found traces of blood under the seat.

00:06:59Now, both traces were of the same blood group as John Butlin's.

00:07:03Dr. Sutherland, thank you very much.

00:07:06Dr. Sutherland, you described the condition of the torso when you first examined it

00:07:11as being partially decomposed.

00:07:15That is correct.

00:07:16What was the condition of the hands?

00:07:19Uh, they were badly wrinkled.

00:07:21The torso had been in the water for the better part of three weeks.

00:07:24The skin on the fingers was badly wrinkled?

00:07:26Yes, it was.

00:07:27Now, you have told the court that after carrying out certain tests,

00:07:30you were able to confirm that the fingerprints of the dead man

00:07:32matched a set previously given to you by Chief Inspector Rutherford.

00:07:36Yes, that's right.

00:07:38But if the skin on the fingers was badly wrinkled, Dr. Sutherland,

00:07:40how were you able to obtain a set of fingerprints from the dead man, from his hands?

00:07:44I cut the wrinkled tubes of skin from the fingers.

00:07:51These were then placed upon the fingers of one of my assistants,

00:07:55thereby resulting in the skin stretching back to its original tension.

00:07:59We then fingerprinted the hands of my assistant

00:08:02and obtained a perfect set of prints.

00:08:04Well, I must congratulate you on your ingenuity, Doctor.

00:08:07I'm afraid I cannot take credit for the invention of this technique.

00:08:10It was perfected by Scotland Yard experts some years ago.

00:08:13Now, while we are discussing fingerprints,

00:08:14I wonder if you could tell the court about any fingerprints of the dead man

00:08:18that you found in the home of the accused Philip Shepard?

00:08:21I did not find any fingerprints belonging to the dead man at Shepard's home.

00:08:26None at all?

00:08:27I mean, not even one?

00:08:29No, not one.

00:08:31But if the dead man had entered the home of Philip Shepard alive and well,

00:08:34and subsequently after a struggle was killed in that,

00:08:37then wouldn't you expect to find some of his fingerprints there?

00:08:41I would.

00:08:42Of course, they might have been removed.

00:08:44Indeed.

00:08:46They might equally have never been there.

00:08:48That is so.

00:08:49Yes, thank you, Doctor.

00:08:49Tell me, did you find any evidence of the sacking and ropes

00:08:53that were around the torso had come from the home of the accused?

00:08:57No, none whatsoever.

00:08:58None whatsoever.

00:09:00That is correct.

00:09:01Now, you have examined at some length

00:09:03and obviously in considerable detail

00:09:05the torso of John Button.

00:09:07I have.

00:09:08Now, were you able to arrive at any conclusions about the dead man,

00:09:10his weight, for instance?

00:09:11I would estimate his weight at 14 and a half stone.

00:09:14His height, six feet.

00:09:15He was a powerfully built man.

00:09:17He was a powerfully built man.

00:09:18Strong, would you say?

00:09:19I would estimate his strength as above average.

00:09:22Apart from being slightly overweight,

00:09:24he was a very fit man in his late forties.

00:09:27You told the court, Doctor,

00:09:28when being examined by my learned colleague,

00:09:31that it was apparent to you

00:09:32that Butlin had been dismembered by an amateur.

00:09:37Someone, I quote,

00:09:38with very little, if any, medical knowledge.

00:09:41Now, what led you to that conclusion, Doctor?

00:09:43Well, firstly, the nature of the implements

00:09:45used to cut off the head and legs.

00:09:48The condition of the severed extremities

00:09:49indicated that a hacksaw had been used

00:09:53and an ordinary knife, a carving knife, had been used.

00:09:56Secondly, where the cuts had been made.

00:10:00It must have taken considerable time.

00:10:02Whoever did it certainly didn't take the quickest route.

00:10:04I suppose you have considerable experience, Doctor,

00:10:08of cutting up human bones.

00:10:12Oh, yes, I've been doing it for over 20 years.

00:10:15Is it a quiet process,

00:10:18sawing up human bones?

00:10:20No, it is not.

00:10:22It produces a noise that drowns ordinary conversation.

00:10:26It is quite impossible to dictate to one's secretary

00:10:29while bodies are being sawed.

00:10:36Doctor Sutherland.

00:10:38My Lord.

00:10:39How long do you think it would take a person

00:10:41inexperienced in sawing human bones

00:10:44to saw through the size of a man,

00:10:48thus removing his legs,

00:10:50and then to cut off the same man's head?

00:10:54Well, that's impossible to say, my Lord.

00:10:57But we're certainly talking about something more

00:10:59than a few minutes' work.

00:11:00Oh.

00:11:02Thank you, Doctor.

00:11:03Now, Doctor, the Crown's case is that

00:11:04John Butlin was murdered by the accused man

00:11:07in that spot where you found those bloodstains.

00:11:10Now, Butlin was stabbed frontally in the chest, was he not?

00:11:13Yes, he was, three times.

00:11:15Well, would you expect such an attack

00:11:16to pass off very quietly without a struggle or noise?

00:11:19No, I would not.

00:11:20And apart from those three stab wounds on the chest,

00:11:22there were no other injuries of an external nature?

00:11:24No.

00:11:25No cuts on the arms?

00:11:26No.

00:11:27No cuts on the hands?

00:11:28No.

00:11:29Well, if, as the prosecution allege,

00:11:31Butlin was killed by Shepard,

00:11:33and by Shepard alone,

00:11:34after a fight,

00:11:35would you not expect to find such wounds?

00:11:38I would.

00:11:39Do you think it's probable, Doctor,

00:11:41from your examination of the torso of John Butlin,

00:11:44that he was attacked by a single assailant,

00:11:48by one man?

00:11:50I think.

00:11:52That because of the absence of marks upon the body,

00:11:54other than the three stab wounds,

00:11:57that the evidence renders it more likely

00:12:00that John Butlin was killed by more than one assailant.

00:12:03Dr. Sutherland, you have been most helpful.

00:12:12I have no further questions.

00:12:16Dr. Sutherland,

00:12:17I wish to make sure the court understands you correctly.

00:12:20Are you saying that, in your opinion,

00:12:21John Butlin could not have been killed by one person?

00:12:25Certainly not.

00:12:25The evidence renders it more likely

00:12:27that more than one person was involved.

00:12:28But that does not rule out the possibility

00:12:30that he was killed, in fact, by a single assailant.

00:12:34But you were inclined to the view

00:12:35that more than one person was involved.

00:12:37I do.

00:12:38And you were inclined to this view

00:12:39largely because of the absence of any cut wounds

00:12:41on the hands or arms

00:12:42or any external injuries upon the torso

00:12:44other than the three fatal stab wounds.

00:12:46That is correct.

00:12:47Do you believe that the evidence indicates

00:12:49that Butlin had his arms held behind his back

00:12:52by one or more people

00:12:54whilst another one stabbed him in the chest?

00:12:58Yes, my lord.

00:13:00With respect, doctor,

00:13:01that belief is surely based

00:13:03on a number of unsupported assumptions.

00:13:05That Butlin was conscious of the time he was stabbed, for example.

00:13:08He may very well have been knocked unconscious

00:13:09before being stabbed.

00:13:11Indeed, he may have been.

00:13:13But in view of the fact that the head is yet to be found,

00:13:16may I suggest with respect

00:13:17that such a belief is an unsupported assumption?

00:13:19Well, let us put an end to assumptions, doctor,

00:13:21whether supported or otherwise.

00:13:22Let us take it from the position

00:13:23of a living, conscious John Butlin,

00:13:25not tied up or impeded in any way,

00:13:27a man well able to defend himself.

00:13:29Now, such a man would undoubtedly

00:13:31put up his hands to defend himself

00:13:33and would, in your view,

00:13:34have sustained cuts to his hands or arms.

00:13:37That is so.

00:13:38Yes.

00:13:39My lord, please, may I, with the aid of my colleague,

00:13:41demonstrate a point both to the doctor and the jury?

00:13:44Oh, certainly, Mr. Edgar.

00:13:45Thank you, my lord.

00:13:45Mr. Perkins.

00:13:50Now, doctor,

00:13:51I want you to imagine

00:13:52that my colleague is John Butlin,

00:13:55alive and well

00:13:56and able to defend himself.

00:13:58So.

00:14:03Now, as long as I keep a strong left arm on him,

00:14:07there's not a great deal he can do

00:14:08in such a very short space of time, is there?

00:14:10No, there isn't.

00:14:12No.

00:14:13Thank you, Mr. Perkins.

00:14:14Thank you, doctor.

00:14:15No further questions, my lord?

00:14:17Well, thank you, Dr. Sutherland.

00:14:21I'm aware that you have an important post-mortem to perform,

00:14:24so as there are no further questions from Leonard Counsel.

00:14:27You may leave the witness box.

00:14:29Thank you, my lord.

00:14:33Detective Chief Inspector Rutherford,

00:14:35was the deceased John Buckley known to you during his lifetime?

00:14:39Yes, he was.

00:14:41Were you aware that he had a criminal record?

00:14:44I can answer that question, my lord,

00:14:45but I don't know whether or not I should do so.

00:14:48Mr. Edgar, is this evidence germane to the issue?

00:14:51Yes, my lord.

00:14:51It has a direct bearing on it.

00:14:53Very well, I direct you may answer the question.

00:14:54Nine years ago, I arrested him

00:14:57and charged him with receiving stolen property.

00:15:00He was subsequently found guilty in this Crown Court

00:15:02and sentenced to three years' imprisonment.

00:15:04Upon his release, he went into business

00:15:06selling second-hand motor cars.

00:15:08He was engaged in that occupation

00:15:10at the time of his disappearance on the 5th of May last.

00:15:12How did you first become aware of his disappearance?

00:15:15A business partner of Butlin's,

00:15:17Rudolf Adams, phoned Forchester Police Station.

00:15:20He had an appointment with Butlin at his home,

00:15:22a Butlin's home, that is, at 5pm.

00:15:25When he hadn't appeared by 7pm, he became anxious.

00:15:28He felt sure something had happened to Butlin.

00:15:30Did he give any specific reasons for that anxiety?

00:15:33Well, the appointment he had with Butlin

00:15:35was a very important one.

00:15:36Adams insisted that his partner

00:15:38was not the kind of man to break such an appointment.

00:15:41Did he give any other reasons?

00:15:43Yes, he was carrying £5,000 on him in cash at the time.

00:15:48Adams felt his partner had been turned over.

00:15:51Turned over?

00:15:52Chief Inspector?

00:15:53Mugged.

00:15:54Robbed, my lord.

00:15:55Ah.

00:15:56What action, if any, did Forchester Police take at that time?

00:15:59Normal missing persons procedure.

00:16:02Circulation of Butlin's description

00:16:04to the missing persons bureau.

00:16:06And we carried out independent inquiries simultaneously.

00:16:09And based on those inquiries, what did you discover?

00:16:12John Butlin left his car showrooms in Forchester at 4.30pm on the 5th of May.

00:16:19He told his secretary he was going to keep his appointment with Adams.

00:16:23He was driving his blue Citroën car.

00:16:26He was never seen alive again.

00:16:28He never arrived at his home in Forchester, which is only 10 minutes drive from his car showrooms.

00:16:34His blue Citroën car was found parked near his home on the morning of the 6th of May.

00:16:42On the 24th of May, a torso was found floating in the River Dee.

00:16:47On the 27th of May, that torso was identified as being part of the remains of John Butlin.

00:16:52Thank you, Chief Inspector.

00:16:53Now, upon discovery of the torso on the 24th of May last,

00:16:56was a search made for the missing head and legs?

00:16:58Indeed, an intensive search was made at the River Dee,

00:17:01using launches on a frogman unit.

00:17:04And in light of information given to me by Dr Sutherland,

00:17:07that search was extended to the Irish Sea.

00:17:09But to date, the other remains have not been found?

00:17:12No, sir, they have not.

00:17:13Perhaps all available information indicates that they are in all probability

00:17:17at the bottom of the Irish Sea.

00:17:19There's a question I should have asked the doctor, Chief Inspector,

00:17:22but you may be able to answer it.

00:17:24If all the remains of John Butlin were dropped into the Irish Sea,

00:17:28why did this headless torso not sink along with the head and legs?

00:17:34Expansion of gases within the chest, my lord.

00:17:36They would, indeed did, make the torso extremely buoyant.

00:17:39I see. Thank you, Chief Inspector.

00:17:41Now, after the disappearance of Butlin,

00:17:44and prior to the discovery of his headless torso in the River Dee,

00:17:47what other lines of investigation did you pursue?

00:17:50Well, there were two main lines of inquiry.

00:17:52The first involved the missing money

00:17:54that was known to be on Butlin's person at the time of his disappearance,

00:17:58and the second involved all known associates and friends.

00:18:01Well, let us deal with the money initially, please, Chief Inspector.

00:18:03Butlin had withdrawn the money from his Fulchester bank account

00:18:07only two hours before his disappearance.

00:18:10It was all in five-pound notes.

00:18:12His bank were able to furnish us with a serial number

00:18:15of just over £3,000 worth of those five-pound notes.

00:18:18They were new notes, and the numbers ran consecutively.

00:18:21I authorised the publication of those numbers.

00:18:23Were any of them subsequently traced?

00:18:26Yes.

00:18:27A bank in North Street, Fulchester, advised us

00:18:30that a client of theirs had paid £800 in five-pound notes

00:18:33into his bank account.

00:18:35The serial numbers of all those notes

00:18:37tallied with the notes paid to Butlin on the 5th of May last.

00:18:40And who was the client who had paid £800 into his account, Chief Inspector?

00:18:46The accused, Sir Philip Shepard.

00:18:47He paid them into his account on the 8th of May last.

00:18:50Three days after John Butlin vanished.

00:18:53That is correct.

00:18:54Now, you testified a short while ago

00:18:56that one of your lines of inquiry prior to the discovery of the torso

00:19:00concerned all the deceased's known associates and friends.

00:19:05Now, during the inquiry that was being made at that time,

00:19:08did you interview the accused?

00:19:10No, my lord.

00:19:11Our inquiries did not reveal any connection between the two men.

00:19:15Uh-huh.

00:19:16Thank you, my lord.

00:19:17Now, in view of Dr Sutherland's post-mortem conclusions

00:19:20that the torso had been dropped from a plane into the sea,

00:19:23what action did you take?

00:19:25A complete check on all persons in the Fulchester area

00:19:28having a private pilot's license.

00:19:30We also made inquiries at all local aerodromes.

00:19:34The investigations revealed that the accused,

00:19:36Philip Shepard, held a private pilot's license.

00:19:38Further investigations revealed that he was a member of the Hard and Flying Club

00:19:42and that on the 7th of May,

00:19:45he hired a two-seater Cessna plane for a two-hour flight.

00:19:48He hired the same plane for a two-hour flight the following day.

00:19:51And is this the same plane that Dr Sutherland examined on the 29th of May last?

00:19:56Yes, sir, it is.

00:19:58One of the bloodstains, Miss Redgar?

00:19:59The same, my lord.

00:20:01And on the same day, did you ask Dr Sutherland

00:20:03to carry out a forensic examination of Philip Shepard's home?

00:20:06Yes, I did.

00:20:07He found the following bloodstains.

00:20:08Yes, yes.

00:20:09Thank you, Chief Inspector.

00:20:10I don't think we need the findings reiterated, do we, Miss Redgar?

00:20:13As your lordship pleases.

00:20:15Well, prior to that examination,

00:20:18had you taken the accused to Fulchester Police Station for questioning?

00:20:22Yes, I had.

00:20:22I told him I was questioning him

00:20:25concerning the murder of John Butlin.

00:20:27He asked me if I was in charge of the case.

00:20:29When I told him that I was,

00:20:31he said he wanted to make a statement.

00:20:32And you now produce that statement?

00:20:34Yes, I do.

00:20:35Exhibit five, please.

00:20:38Who took it down?

00:20:39I did.

00:20:41Chief Inspector, will you please read out to the court

00:20:43the statement made by the accused after the caution?

00:20:46On the 6th of May, I received a telephone call from a man.

00:20:49I knew this man as Johnny the Print.

00:20:51He asked me if I was interested in earning a quick £1,000,

00:20:54no questions asked.

00:20:56I agreed to see him at my home.

00:20:58He arrived about five in the evening with two other men.

00:21:01Johnny introduced them as Big Willie and Boise.

00:21:04Johnny told me they had some hot plates,

00:21:07counterfeit plates, that is,

00:21:08that they wanted dumping in the sea.

00:21:10The deal was £1,000 cash, no questions asked.

00:21:15I needed money badly at the time,

00:21:16and I agreed to do the job.

00:21:19Two of them went for the parcels

00:21:20and dumped them in the living room.

00:21:22Boise produced a large roll of fivers

00:21:24and counted out £1,000 onto the coffee table.

00:21:28After they'd gone, I phoned Hardin Flying Club

00:21:30and booked a plane for the following day.

00:21:32The next day, I found that I could not lift the big parcel on my own.

00:21:36I put the two smaller parcels into my car

00:21:38and drove to Hardin Drone.

00:21:40The Cessna was waiting for me.

00:21:41I took it up and headed towards the Irish Sea.

00:21:44When I was well out to sea, I dumped them.

00:21:47The next day, I got an old piece of lino

00:21:49and rolled the big parcel onto it.

00:21:51I then dragged the lino with the bundle on it

00:21:53to the top of the stairs,

00:21:55then let it roll down to the bottom.

00:21:57This time, I drove the car right up to the plane.

00:22:01Somehow, I managed to get the big parcel

00:22:03into the plane passenger seat.

00:22:05I took off, heading out towards the sea,

00:22:08and opened the passenger door

00:22:09and tried to push the parcel out.

00:22:12It wouldn't budge.

00:22:14I banked the Cessna steeply.

00:22:15Suddenly, the parcel shot out and fell into the sea below.

00:22:18The door whipped shut.

00:22:20I circled and saw that,

00:22:22unlike the two parcels on the previous day,

00:22:23this one was floating.

00:22:24There was nothing I could do about it.

00:22:28I have not seen

00:22:29any one of the three men since.

00:22:32I know nothing about the murder of John Butlin.

00:22:35He was known to me.

00:22:37Everybody in Forchester

00:22:38knew John to nod to.

00:22:41Thank you very much, Chief Inspector.

00:22:42And he then signed that statement?

00:22:44Yes, he did.

00:22:46A short while later,

00:22:47I told him I was charging him

00:22:49with the murder of John Butlin.

00:22:52He said,

00:22:52you were charging an innocent man.

00:22:54I then formally cautioned him

00:22:56and charged him with the murder of John Butlin.

00:22:57He made no reply.

00:22:59Tell me,

00:23:00since that date,

00:23:01have you attempted to trace

00:23:02the three men referred to in Shepard's statement?

00:23:05Yes, I have.

00:23:07I can find no evidence whatsoever

00:23:08to substantiate the existence of these three men.

00:23:12You have found no trace of them?

00:23:14No, sir, I have not.

00:23:15Thank you, Chief Inspector.

00:23:16I have no questions to ask the Chief Inspector, my lord.

00:23:23My lord?

00:23:25Yes, Mr. Edgar?

00:23:26Well,

00:23:27am I to understand that my learned friend

00:23:29does not wish to cross-examine the Chief Inspector,

00:23:31that he accepts without question

00:23:33all the evidence that has just been given?

00:23:35It will appear so.

00:23:38Makes a refreshing change,

00:23:39don't you think so, Mr. Edgar?

00:23:41Yes, but my lord...

00:23:42My lord,

00:23:42if I may put my learned friend's mind at rest,

00:23:45the defence accepts without question

00:23:47the testimony of the Chief Inspector.

00:23:49The jury in this case

00:24:10is composed of members of the general public.

00:24:13The Queen against Shepard

00:24:14will be resumed tomorrow

00:24:15in the Crown Court.

00:24:19Philip Shepard has been charged

00:24:43with the murder of John Butlin.

00:24:45As his trial enters its second day,

00:24:47Rudolph Adams, the dead man's business partner,

00:24:50is giving evidence.

00:24:51I've had a partnership with John Butlin

00:24:52for just over three years,

00:24:53buying and selling second-hand cars.

00:24:55And where was this business conducted from?

00:24:57The car showrooms in Forchester.

00:24:59Was your relationship with the late Mr. Butlin

00:25:01purely business?

00:25:02No, we'd been friends for about a year

00:25:05before I went into business with him.

00:25:07We remained friends.

00:25:07Yes.

00:25:08Mr. Adams,

00:25:08would you please tell the court

00:25:10something of the structure

00:25:11of this second-hand car company

00:25:12that you owned with the deceased?

00:25:14Well, basically,

00:25:16John bought the cars and I sold them.

00:25:18We employed his secretary,

00:25:19a number of car mechanics.

00:25:22That's about it.

00:25:23Yes.

00:25:24But the buying of the cars

00:25:25was left from Mr. Butlin.

00:25:26That's right, yes.

00:25:27Whom did he buy from?

00:25:29Well, we came by them

00:25:29in a variety of ways.

00:25:31Members of the public,

00:25:32other dealers,

00:25:32part exchange deals.

00:25:34Yes.

00:25:34When cars are bought by your company,

00:25:37how are they paid for?

00:25:38By cheque?

00:25:39Sometimes cheque, yes.

00:25:40Sometimes spot cash.

00:25:41Cash, really?

00:25:42Is that not unusual

00:25:43in this day and age

00:25:44to carry out transactions

00:25:45of that nature

00:25:46with cash payments?

00:25:47No, not the motor trade, no.

00:25:48There are a number of reasons

00:25:49for cash transactions.

00:25:50Well, would you please

00:25:51tell the court

00:25:52some of those reasons?

00:25:53Well, a lot of people

00:25:54still don't have bank accounts.

00:25:56Others need cash in a hurry.

00:25:58John always had a philosophy

00:26:00about paying cash for a car.

00:26:02What was that philosophy,

00:26:03Mr. Adams?

00:26:04Well, he always used to say

00:26:05that by producing the readies

00:26:06you could guarantee

00:26:06to not 25 notes

00:26:07off the price of the motor.

00:26:09Readies?

00:26:10What are readies?

00:26:12Pound notes

00:26:13or actual cash, my lord.

00:26:15It is a popular euphemism.

00:26:16Oh, really?

00:26:18I can't think why.

00:26:20You were telling me

00:26:21about your partner's philosophy,

00:26:23Mr. Adams.

00:26:23Yes, he always said

00:26:24that the sight of the readies

00:26:25or the pound notes, my lord,

00:26:27always got the punters going

00:26:28and seemed to work too.

00:26:30By punters,

00:26:31the witness means

00:26:32members of the public

00:26:33who want to sell their cars.

00:26:35Mr. Adams,

00:26:36I don't think we have any members

00:26:37of the motor trade

00:26:37amongst the jury.

00:26:39It might be useful

00:26:40if you bore that in mind

00:26:40when you're phrasing your reply

00:26:41to the undercounsel's questions.

00:26:46So it would not be unusual

00:26:47for John Butler

00:26:48to be carrying on his person

00:26:50considerable amounts of money.

00:26:52It would be unusual

00:26:53to find him

00:26:54without a large roll.

00:26:55I mean a large roll

00:26:56of money, my lord.

00:26:57I didn't think you meant

00:26:59a cheese roll, Mr. Adams.

00:27:02On the 5th of May last,

00:27:04you telephoned

00:27:05Fulchester Police Station

00:27:06shortly after 7pm

00:27:09to report your partner's disappearance.

00:27:11That's right, yes.

00:27:11I'd arranged to meet him

00:27:12in his house at 5 o'clock.

00:27:14He didn't show up by 7,

00:27:15so I knew something was wrong.

00:27:17What made you think

00:27:17something was wrong?

00:27:19John Butler was never late

00:27:20for an appointment,

00:27:21either business or pleasure,

00:27:22in the entire time I knew him.

00:27:23Took great pride in punctuality,

00:27:24said it was the mark

00:27:25of an efficient person.

00:27:27Apart from that,

00:27:28I happened to know

00:27:28he was carrying

00:27:29a large amount of money with it.

00:27:30Larger than usual?

00:27:31Oh, yeah.

00:27:31Do you know how much?

00:27:32Yes, over £5,000.

00:27:34Do you know why he was carrying

00:27:35such a large amount of cash?

00:27:36Yes, we had the chance

00:27:37to buy five motors

00:27:38from a car hire firm.

00:27:39They were having cash flow problems

00:27:40and we were offered

00:27:41five of their car fleet

00:27:42in a knock-down price, cash.

00:27:43Yeah, so what was the purpose

00:27:44of your meeting

00:27:45with John Butler on that day?

00:27:48Well, we were going to discuss

00:27:49what our top and bottom offers

00:27:50on the deal would be.

00:27:52And the plan was

00:27:52that having agreed

00:27:53what we'd pay,

00:27:54John would then

00:27:54wind up the deal the same day.

00:27:56Yeah, but he never arrived

00:27:57for the meeting.

00:27:58No, he didn't.

00:27:59No, we'd arranged the meeting

00:27:59earlier that day

00:28:01when I was at the showroom.

00:28:01That was the last time

00:28:02I saw him alive.

00:28:03Do you know if he had

00:28:04any enemies?

00:28:07Business rivals?

00:28:08I mean, we both did.

00:28:09Who doesn't these days?

00:28:10Enemies?

00:28:11No.

00:28:12He was a good man.

00:28:14Very well liked.

00:28:17I don't know anybody

00:28:18who'd want him dead at all.

00:28:19Prior to his arrest,

00:28:20was he accused known to you?

00:28:23By reputation.

00:28:25My lord, I submit

00:28:25my learned friend

00:28:26is beginning a line

00:28:27of questioning

00:28:27that is improper.

00:28:29Improper?

00:28:30In what way, Mr. Canty?

00:28:32On the witness's own admission,

00:28:33he has no direct knowledge

00:28:35of the accused.

00:28:36Therefore, any elaboration

00:28:37on his last answer

00:28:37would surely be hearsay,

00:28:39my lord.

00:28:39It would also seem

00:28:40that my client's character

00:28:41is about to be attacked.

00:28:44Mr. Edgar?

00:28:45My lord, I feel

00:28:46my learned friend

00:28:47is being somewhat previous.

00:28:48I was quite prepared

00:28:49for your lordship

00:28:49to rule on my next question

00:28:51prior to the witness answering.

00:28:53With respect, my lord,

00:28:54by that time,

00:28:55the damage might very well

00:28:56have been done.

00:28:57Yes, I see.

00:28:59Mr. Edgar,

00:29:00I'm not, of course,

00:29:00ruling upon a question

00:29:01I have yet to ask.

00:29:03But I would remind you

00:29:04of the rules

00:29:04covering hearsay evidence

00:29:06and such other dangers.

00:29:08Yes, my lord.

00:29:09Mr. Adams,

00:29:12do you know

00:29:12or have you ever known

00:29:13of a man called

00:29:15Johnny the Print?

00:29:16No.

00:29:17Do you know

00:29:18or have you ever known

00:29:19of a man known as Boise?

00:29:21No.

00:29:22Do you know

00:29:22or have you ever known

00:29:23of a man known

00:29:24as Big Willie?

00:29:26No.

00:29:27During the entire time

00:29:28that you knew

00:29:29the late John Butler

00:29:30in some four years,

00:29:31I think you said,

00:29:31did you, during that time,

00:29:33ever hear your business partner

00:29:35refer to any of these three men?

00:29:37No, never.

00:29:37Thank you very much,

00:29:38Mr. Adams.

00:29:39Did you know

00:29:42that your business partner

00:29:43had a prison record?

00:29:46What's that got to do

00:29:47with this trial?

00:29:48Mr. Adams,

00:29:50I will decide

00:29:50the pertence of questions.

00:29:53Answer the question.

00:29:54Yes, I did know

00:29:55he had a prison record.

00:29:56You knew, did you not,

00:29:57that he had received

00:29:57a three-year prison sentence

00:29:59for receiving stolen goods?

00:30:01My lord,

00:30:02this is going to do

00:30:02the car business

00:30:03no good at all.

00:30:05The purpose of this trial

00:30:06is not to enhance

00:30:07your business.

00:30:08We're here to establish

00:30:10whether Philip Shepard

00:30:11murdered John Butler.

00:30:13Yes, I didn't know

00:30:15he'd been inside for receiving.

00:30:16You know,

00:30:16I find your list of priorities

00:30:17revealing, Mr. Adams.

00:30:19More concern

00:30:19would profit

00:30:20than establishing

00:30:21that this man

00:30:21murdered your business partner,

00:30:23your friend,

00:30:23the man you just referred to now

00:30:25as a good man.

00:30:27Well, he's dead.

00:30:29Well, I mean,

00:30:30I'm a realist.

00:30:31Life goes on

00:30:32for the rest of us.

00:30:32It does indeed,

00:30:34Mr. Adams.

00:30:35Would you agree with me

00:30:36that you stand to benefit

00:30:37greatly from the death

00:30:38of John Butler?

00:30:40I don't know

00:30:41what you're talking about.

00:30:42Oh, I think you do,

00:30:43Mr. Adams.

00:30:44John Butler left no heirs.

00:30:47The car business

00:30:48is now all yours,

00:30:49is it not?

00:30:50I suppose it is.

00:30:51There is no supposition

00:30:52about it, Mr. Adams.

00:30:54It is now registered

00:30:54as sole owner,

00:30:56Rudolph Adams.

00:30:58What was your turnover

00:30:58last year?

00:31:00I don't know.

00:31:01I don't carry the figures

00:31:01about with me.

00:31:02Oh, well, I do, Mr. Adams.

00:31:03Would you agree with me

00:31:04that your audited books

00:31:05of the last financial year

00:31:07showed a gross turnover

00:31:08of 157,000 pounds?

00:31:11You say so, yes?

00:31:12I don't say so, Mr. Adams.

00:31:14Your books do.

00:31:15And you are now

00:31:16sole owner.

00:31:17What are you suggesting?

00:31:18Nothing, Mr. Adams.

00:31:19I'm merely wishing

00:31:20to establish some facts.

00:31:23That is all.

00:31:25Now, those two hours

00:31:25that you spent waiting

00:31:26for your partner

00:31:27on the day

00:31:28he vanished

00:31:29where exactly

00:31:31did you wait for him?

00:31:32I've told you

00:31:32I waited at his home.

00:31:34Who let you in?

00:31:35I've got my own key

00:31:35to his house.

00:31:36He had one to mine.

00:31:37So you let yourself in.

00:31:38That's right.

00:31:39Was anyone there?

00:31:40No, he lives alone.

00:31:41Did anyone call

00:31:42at the door

00:31:43a telephone

00:31:44during those two hours

00:31:45that you waited

00:31:45for your colleague?

00:31:46No, they didn't.

00:31:47I made a number

00:31:47of calls out there.

00:31:48No, did you?

00:31:49Who did you phone?

00:31:51Our secretary

00:31:52at the showrooms,

00:31:53a couple of clubs.

00:31:54I also phoned

00:31:55several other car dealers.

00:31:56I mean, I was looking for John.

00:31:57I also phoned the car firm

00:31:59we were going to buy

00:31:59the cars from,

00:32:00see if he'd gone straight there,

00:32:01but he hadn't.

00:32:02At seven o'clock,

00:32:03I phoned the police.

00:32:05I knew something was wrong.

00:32:06I mean, a man like John

00:32:07doesn't just vanish

00:32:08into thin air.

00:32:09Now, we've had evidence

00:32:10in court that John Button

00:32:11was in good physical condition

00:32:13at the time of his death.

00:32:14Would you agree with that?

00:32:14Certainly.

00:32:15He was tough as nails.

00:32:15I mean, indeed,

00:32:17a man like John Button

00:32:18doesn't just vanish

00:32:19into thin air, does he?

00:32:20Unless somebody arranged it.

00:32:24I mean, those phone calls

00:32:26you made while you waited

00:32:28for your partner,

00:32:30no one phoned you back.

00:32:32I've already told you.

00:32:32Nobody phoned.

00:32:34Didn't you give them

00:32:34any phone numbers

00:32:35so that they could contact you

00:32:37in case they saw your partner?

00:32:38I don't think I did.

00:32:42But surely, Mr. Adams,

00:32:42I mean, correct me

00:32:43if I'm wrong,

00:32:44but this was the situation,

00:32:45was it not?

00:32:46You had a meeting

00:32:47with your business partner

00:32:48at his home.

00:32:50Your partner is carrying

00:32:51a large amount of money.

00:32:54He does not arrive

00:32:55for the meeting.

00:32:55You become anxious,

00:32:57firstly, because you,

00:32:58better than anyone,

00:32:59know that John Button

00:33:00sets great store

00:33:01on punctuality.

00:33:02Secondly, you are concerned

00:33:03because of that large amount

00:33:05of money that he is carrying.

00:33:06You get anxious.

00:33:09You begin to phone around,

00:33:12trying to establish

00:33:12if any of your friends

00:33:13had seen Butler.

00:33:14You phone quite a number

00:33:16of people.

00:33:16No one has any information.

00:33:20Are you seriously suggesting

00:33:22that, concerned as you were,

00:33:24you didn't leave

00:33:25any telephone number

00:33:26with any of these people

00:33:27so that they might contact you

00:33:29in the event of their

00:33:30seeing John Butler?

00:33:31Look, I was anxious about him.

00:33:32I didn't stop to think about that.

00:33:33I just kept phoning around.

00:33:34Of course, by not giving

00:33:35a telephone number,

00:33:36Mr Adams.

00:33:37Those calls you made

00:33:37could have been made

00:33:38from anywhere,

00:33:38couldn't they?

00:33:38What are you implying?

00:33:40Mr Adams, I am implying nothing,

00:33:41merely trying to establish

00:33:42some facts.

00:33:43Those calls you made

00:33:44could have been made

00:33:45from anywhere,

00:33:45couldn't they?

00:33:45I suppose they could have.

00:33:46What are you saying?

00:33:47I had my partner set up,

00:33:48I arranged for him

00:33:48to be murdered?

00:33:49My Lord, I feel I must

00:33:50object to this whole line

00:33:51of questioning.

00:33:52Mr Adams is not on trial.

00:33:54Surely we've strayed

00:33:55far enough from the matter

00:33:56in hand.

00:33:57My Lord, I do not consider

00:33:58that we have strayed at all.

00:33:59I consider the movement

00:34:00of Butlin's business partner

00:34:02on the day that Butlin

00:34:03himself vanished

00:34:04of the utmost importance.

00:34:05After all, my Lord,

00:34:06here we have

00:34:07one of the few people

00:34:08who knew that Butlin

00:34:09was carrying 5,000 pounds,

00:34:12who knew exactly

00:34:13what his movements would be

00:34:14at exactly the time

00:34:15that Butlin did in fact

00:34:17vanish.

00:34:17We have here in this dock

00:34:18a man who certainly

00:34:19stood to gain a great deal

00:34:21from the death

00:34:21of John Butlin.

00:34:22Now, I am not for one moment

00:34:24suggesting or imputing

00:34:25anything to the witness.

00:34:26Then why are you following

00:34:27such a line of questions?

00:34:29You're trying to run

00:34:30with the hair

00:34:30and hunt with the hound.

00:34:31On the contrary,

00:34:32I am demonstrating

00:34:33how easy it is

00:34:34to build a case

00:34:36against an innocent man

00:34:38as you have done

00:34:39against him.

00:34:41Gentlemen,

00:34:41this is a court of law,

00:34:42not a marketplace.

00:34:44I'll have an end

00:34:45to these histrionics.

00:34:48Mr. Edgar,

00:34:49I find nothing wrong

00:34:49with this line of questioning.

00:34:51You admitted freely

00:34:52in your opening address

00:34:52to the jury

00:34:53that your case against Sheppard

00:34:55rested almost entirely

00:34:56upon circumstantial evidence.

00:34:57I find it quite proper

00:34:59for Mr. Canty

00:35:00to demonstrate

00:35:01to the jury

00:35:01that such a case

00:35:02based on circumstantial evidence

00:35:04can pertain to others.

00:35:07Mr. Adams,

00:35:08for example.

00:35:10Now, let's get on with it.

00:35:15Thank you, my lord.

00:35:16Mr. Adams,

00:35:16quite apart from yourself,

00:35:17who knew

00:35:18you were meeting

00:35:18John Butlin

00:35:19that afternoon?

00:35:20Our secretary knew.

00:35:23Anyone else?

00:35:25I don't think so.

00:35:26I didn't tell anyone.

00:35:27John might have.

00:35:28Apart from yourself,

00:35:29who knew

00:35:29that John Butlin

00:35:30was carrying

00:35:30£5,000?

00:35:33They would have known

00:35:34at the bank.

00:35:36Our secretary knew.

00:35:37Anyone else?

00:35:39What, dozens of people

00:35:40knew he always carried

00:35:40large amounts of money.

00:35:41Yes, but not usually

00:35:42as much as £5,000.

00:35:43No.

00:35:44Now, you've told the court

00:35:45that apart from

00:35:46being your business partner,

00:35:48he was also your friend.

00:35:49That's right.

00:35:51Did you ever have

00:35:51any arguments with him?

00:35:54What kind of arguments?

00:35:55Oh, you know,

00:35:55of any kind,

00:35:55business arguments,

00:35:56for example?

00:35:58We used to argue

00:36:00about things

00:36:02from time to time.

00:36:03You tell me anyone

00:36:03in business who doesn't.

00:36:04What did you argue about?

00:36:07Oh, the way

00:36:08the business should be run.

00:36:09We used to disagree

00:36:10about that from time to time.

00:36:12What was the nature

00:36:12of these disagreements?

00:36:13Well, John's attitude

00:36:14was always a quick turnover,

00:36:15you see, quick profits.

00:36:17I mean, sometimes

00:36:17he'd tread on toes

00:36:18for quick profits.

00:36:19I told him it was

00:36:19a very short-sighted policy.

00:36:21We should build

00:36:21the business

00:36:22on a basis of goodwill,

00:36:23build up regular customers

00:36:24rather than one-offs.

00:36:26So there was,

00:36:27from time to time,

00:36:28some friction between you.

00:36:29Nothing.

00:36:30We couldn't sort out

00:36:31man to man.

00:36:32No, of course not.

00:36:33Man to man.

00:36:34Now, we have had evidence here

00:36:37that your partner

00:36:38was in good physical condition

00:36:39at the time of his death.

00:36:41Now, would you agree with that?

00:36:41I've told you,

00:36:42he was tough as nails.

00:36:43He's a strong man.

00:36:43Very, yes.

00:36:44Courageous.

00:36:45I never knew him

00:36:46to back down from anybody

00:36:47and all the time I knew him.

00:36:48Based on your personal knowledge

00:36:50of John Buckland,

00:36:51would you say

00:36:51that he would be

00:36:52an easy target

00:36:53for a would-be attacker?

00:36:55Quite the reverse.

00:36:56Anybody that took him on

00:36:57would get a lot more

00:36:59than they bargained for.

00:37:00Tell me, Mr. Adams,

00:37:02are you a very courageous man?

00:37:07I don't know.

00:37:08Just now,

00:37:09in answer to my learned friend's questions,

00:37:11you told the court

00:37:11that you had never heard

00:37:12of three particular men.

00:37:15That's right, yes.

00:37:16Now, let me test your courage

00:37:17this way, Mr. Adams.

00:37:18Suppose you are asked

00:37:19to help the police

00:37:20in identifying a gang of men

00:37:22whom you knew

00:37:23would not stop short at murder

00:37:24if they knew

00:37:26that you had given them away.

00:37:27Do you think you'd be very anxious?

00:37:29To assist the police?

00:37:31I have assisted the police.

00:37:33Were you warned

00:37:33to keep quiet about these things

00:37:34because the men

00:37:35they were seeking

00:37:35might be violent?

00:37:39I think some of my friends

00:37:40may have told me

00:37:41to be careful.

00:37:42Did the police warn you,

00:37:43Mr. Adams?

00:37:45Oh, I don't think so.

00:37:47It's difficult to remember

00:37:48who said what.

00:37:49Ah, yes, I'm sure it is.

00:37:51Tell me, Mr. Adams,

00:37:52would you say that you

00:37:53knew all of your partners,

00:37:56friends and acquaintances?

00:37:57Of course not.

00:37:57We've had our private lives.

00:37:59So it is possible, isn't it,

00:38:00that these three men,

00:38:01Johnny the Print,

00:38:02Big Willie and Boise,

00:38:04might have been known

00:38:05to Butlin,

00:38:05but not to you.

00:38:06Yes.

00:38:07Is it equally possible

00:38:08that your partner,

00:38:09John Butlin,

00:38:10apart from conducting

00:38:11a perfectly legal business

00:38:12with yourself

00:38:13such as selling

00:38:14second-hand cars,

00:38:16returned to the activity

00:38:18which had earned him

00:38:19a three-year prison sentence?

00:38:21What do you mean?

00:38:21Being a fence?

00:38:22Yes.

00:38:24I mean, it is possible,

00:38:25isn't it,

00:38:25that Butlin,

00:38:25without your knowledge,

00:38:27was the receiver

00:38:27of stolen property?

00:38:28No.

00:38:29But you have just told us

00:38:30that you did not know

00:38:31all his friends

00:38:32and acquaintances,

00:38:33that you both,

00:38:33to quote your own words,

00:38:34had your own private lives.

00:38:36Surely,

00:38:37part of his private life

00:38:38could have been spent

00:38:38receiving stolen property.

00:38:40You put it like that,

00:38:41yes.

00:38:42No further questions.

00:38:46Mr Adams,

00:38:48did you at any time

00:38:49in the four years

00:38:50that you knew the deceased,

00:38:51the four years

00:38:52in which you became

00:38:53not merely business partners

00:38:54but close friends

00:38:55working with each other daily

00:38:56in and out of each other's homes,

00:38:58did you at any time

00:38:59see the slightest indication

00:39:00that John Butlin

00:39:01was engaged

00:39:02in criminal activities?

00:39:03No, I did not.

00:39:04Thank you, Mr Adams.

00:39:06Does your Lordship

00:39:07have any questions?

00:39:08I think not.

00:39:09Mr Edgar, thank you.

00:39:10Thank you, Mr Adams.

00:39:12You may leave the witness box.

00:39:16I call Miss Janet Morris.

00:39:22I work in Johnson's Hardware Shop

00:39:24in Grant Road, Fullchester.

00:39:26Is there anyone in the courtroom

00:39:27who is known to you?

00:39:30No, I don't think so.

00:39:32I didn't mean

00:39:33His Lordship, Miss Morris.

00:39:34Please, look carefully

00:39:35around the courtroom.

00:39:36Oh, Mr Shepard.

00:39:39He's one of our customers.

00:39:40Thank you, Miss Morris.

00:39:41Now, you recall

00:39:42a particular incident

00:39:43that occurred in May

00:39:45that involved Mr Shepard?

00:39:47Oh, I don't know.

00:39:48Miss Morris,

00:39:49you have already made

00:39:50a statement to the police.

00:39:51My questions to you

00:39:53are based on that statement.

00:39:55Oh, I see.

00:39:56Well, why didn't you say so, then?

00:39:58Yes, Mr Shepard came into the shop

00:40:00to have a large carving knife

00:40:01resharpened.

00:40:02Came in just before

00:40:03closing time one day.

00:40:04He was in a great hurry.

00:40:05He wouldn't leave the knife.

00:40:07Said he wanted it done

00:40:07there and then.

00:40:08And was it done

00:40:09there and then?

00:40:10Oh, yes.

00:40:11He wouldn't wait

00:40:12for a proper edge

00:40:12to be put on it.

00:40:13Said he needed it

00:40:14in a hurry.

00:40:15And what day

00:40:16did this take place?

00:40:18On the 5th of May.

00:40:24Miss Morris,

00:40:25you said that he came in

00:40:26just before closing time

00:40:28on the 5th of May.

00:40:29What time

00:40:30does your shop close?

00:40:31Six o'clock.

00:40:32So, shortly before 6th,

00:40:34on the 5th of May last,

00:40:35Mr Shepard came into

00:40:37your hardware store,

00:40:38had a large carving knife

00:40:39resharpened

00:40:40and then left

00:40:41with the knife.

00:40:42Yes, that's right.

00:40:43I remember

00:40:44because Dad was ever so upset

00:40:45about not having time

00:40:46to finish the job properly.

00:40:47But you see,

00:40:48Mr Shepard was in

00:40:49a tearing hurry.

00:40:50Thank you, Miss Morris.

00:40:53Hi, Miss Morris.

00:40:53I won't keep you long.

00:40:56Oh, that's all right.

00:40:57Dad's given me time

00:40:58off to be here.

00:41:00What?

00:41:01Oh, yes, of course.

00:41:03You describe Mr Shepard,

00:41:05Miss Morris,

00:41:05as one of our customers.

00:41:07Do you mean

00:41:08regular customers?

00:41:10Yes, he's always

00:41:10popping in and out.

00:41:11Of what purpose?

00:41:12Well, to buy things,

00:41:13of course.

00:41:14And to get his knife

00:41:15sharpened from time to time.

00:41:16You appear to recall

00:41:17this particular occasion

00:41:19very clearly.

00:41:20Well, yes,

00:41:20because he wouldn't wait

00:41:21for a proper edge

00:41:22to be put on the knife.

00:41:23Do you recall

00:41:24his appearance?

00:41:26You look like

00:41:26he always does.

00:41:27No bruises on his face,

00:41:29no blood on his clothes.

00:41:31Had you been in a fight, then?

00:41:33Miss Morris,

00:41:33I'm afraid you're not

00:41:34allowed to ask questions.

00:41:36Seems a bit unfair.

00:41:37Everybody else says.

00:41:40Were there any bruises

00:41:41on his face, Miss Morris?

00:41:42Was there any

00:41:43blood on his clothes?

00:41:46No.

00:41:48No further questions, my lord.

00:41:51Does your lordship

00:41:52have any questions?

00:41:53No, I think not.

00:41:54Thank you, Miss Morris.

00:41:55May I leave the witness box?

00:41:57Is that all?

00:41:59Yes.

00:42:01Thank you very much.

00:42:06Mrs. Pritchard,

00:42:08how long have you been

00:42:08employed by the defendant

00:42:09as a daily help?

00:42:11Five years.

00:42:12And what hours

00:42:12do you work for him?

00:42:14Ten in the morning

00:42:14until twelve every day,

00:42:16except Saturdays and Sundays.

00:42:18And I go back at five

00:42:19and prepare an evening meal

00:42:20for him.

00:42:21I usually leave about six.

00:42:22Were you at the home

00:42:23of Philip Shepard

00:42:24on the 6th of May

00:42:25between five and six

00:42:26in the evening?

00:42:27Yes, I was.

00:42:29Did three men

00:42:30call to see Shepard

00:42:31while you were there?

00:42:33Not that I remember.

00:42:34Well, would you have remembered

00:42:35if three men did, in fact,

00:42:36call at that time?

00:42:38Oh, yes, I'm sure

00:42:38I would have done.

00:42:39Mr. Shepard doesn't have

00:42:40many visitors when I'm there,

00:42:42and if three men

00:42:42all came together,

00:42:44well, yes, I'm sure

00:42:45I'd have remembered it.

00:42:46Yes.

00:42:46Have you ever heard

00:42:47of three men

00:42:48called Johnny the Print,

00:42:50Big Willie, or Boise?

00:42:51No, I haven't.

00:42:53Shepard never referred

00:42:54to these men

00:42:54or said that he knew them?

00:42:56No, he didn't.

00:42:57Right.

00:42:58Now, can you recall

00:42:58any unusual events

00:43:00that took place

00:43:01at Mr. Shepard's home

00:43:02during early May?

00:43:03Well, yes.

00:43:04These things happened

00:43:05during the first week of May,

00:43:06but I can't tell you

00:43:07the exact dates.

00:43:08That's quite all right.

00:43:09Go on, please, Mrs. Pritchard.

00:43:10Well, there was a business

00:43:11of the living room

00:43:11for a start.

00:43:12I mean, they wouldn't

00:43:13let me clean in there

00:43:13for several days.

00:43:14Why not?

00:43:16He said there's a lot

00:43:16of antique silver

00:43:17spread out on the carpet

00:43:18that he was cleaning.

00:43:19He deals in antiques, you know.

00:43:20Yes, I know.

00:43:21Yes, well, he said

00:43:22he didn't want the stuff

00:43:23disturbed while he was

00:43:24working on it,

00:43:25and he just kept the door

00:43:26locked for several days.

00:43:27Mm-hmm.

00:43:28Anything else?

00:43:29Yes, when I was finally

00:43:30allowed back in the room

00:43:31to clean it,

00:43:32the carpet was missing.

00:43:33The felt was still

00:43:34on the floor,

00:43:34but the carpet had been

00:43:35taken up and removed.

00:43:36And did you ask him why?

00:43:38Yes, I did.

00:43:39He said that

00:43:40it's built some

00:43:40of the cleaning fluid

00:43:41he was using

00:43:42for the silver

00:43:42onto the carpet,

00:43:43and it was badly stained.

00:43:45He said he'd taken

00:43:46the carpet away

00:43:47for cleaning and dyeing.

00:43:48Did the carpet

00:43:49eventually come back?

00:43:50Yes, it did,

00:43:51about three weeks later.

00:43:53Well, he'd had it dyed all right,

00:43:54a revolting shade of red.

00:43:56Of red.

00:43:58I see.

00:43:59Were there any other

00:44:00unusual events

00:44:01during this period?

00:44:02Yes, he gave me

00:44:04a cash bonus

00:44:05of 50 pounds.

00:44:06Well, he said

00:44:07he was very pleased

00:44:07with the work,

00:44:08but, I mean,

00:44:08he'd never done that before.

00:44:09He's very careful

00:44:11with money,

00:44:12isn't he, Mr. Shepard?

00:44:13Yes.

00:44:14This cash bonus,

00:44:15was the money paid

00:44:16to you in five pound note?

00:44:17Yes, it was.

00:44:19I spent it in Mallorca

00:44:20during my summer holidays.

00:44:21Thank you very much,

00:44:22Mrs. Pritchard.

00:44:25Mrs. Pritchard,

00:44:26you told her and her friend

00:44:27that you cannot recall

00:44:28three men

00:44:28coming to see

00:44:29Mr. Shepard

00:44:30on the 6th of May last.

00:44:32That's correct.

00:44:33Can you recall

00:44:34one man calling

00:44:35on the defendant

00:44:35on the previous day,

00:44:37that is,

00:44:37on the 5th of May?

00:44:39I don't know.

00:44:40Nobody's asked me

00:44:41about one man before.

00:44:42No, I didn't think

00:44:43they had, Mrs. Pritchard,

00:44:44so let me help you,

00:44:45if I may.

00:44:46The man I have in mind

00:44:47is in his mid-forties.

00:44:49He is well-built,

00:44:50weighing some 14 and a half stone,

00:44:52his height is six feet.

00:44:54His name is John Butlin.

00:44:55Oh, I knew Mr. Butlin.

00:44:57My husband bought a car

00:44:58from him about two years ago.

00:45:00I never saw him

00:45:00at Mr. Shepard's home.

00:45:02Now, on that same day,

00:45:02that is the 5th of May,

00:45:04you were at the defendant's home

00:45:05from five to six

00:45:06in the evening?

00:45:08That's when I prepare

00:45:09his evening meal.

00:45:10Precisely.

00:45:11On that day,

00:45:11the 5th of May,

00:45:12do you recall

00:45:13any noises

00:45:14coming from the living room?

00:45:16Sounds of fighting,

00:45:18sounds of two men

00:45:19locked in mortal combat?

00:45:21Oh, no, I mean...

00:45:22Sounds of someone,

00:45:23for instance,

00:45:23being stabbed three times,

00:45:24Mrs. Pritchard?

00:45:25Well, no, of course not.

00:45:26I mean, if I had,

00:45:26I would have found

00:45:27for the place at once.

00:45:28Do you recall

00:45:29on that same day

00:45:30any sounds of sawing

00:45:31emitting from the living room

00:45:33or of objects

00:45:34being cut up?

00:45:36No, no, I didn't.

00:45:38Now, the three men

00:45:38that my Leonard friend

00:45:39questioned you about,

00:45:40could they have arrived

00:45:41before you

00:45:43on the 6th of May?

00:45:44I mean, could they have been

00:45:45in the living room

00:45:45while you were

00:45:46in the rest of the flat?

00:45:48I doubt it.

00:45:49I'd have heard them.

00:45:51But you can't swear,

00:45:52can you, Mrs. Pritchard,

00:45:53that they were not

00:45:54already there

00:45:54when you arrived

00:45:55inside that locked

00:45:56living room door?

00:45:58No, of course I can't.

00:46:00No further questions?

00:46:04Apart from not seeing

00:46:05these three men

00:46:06on the 6th of May,

00:46:07you did not hear them?

00:46:09No, I didn't.

00:46:10And I don't just mean

00:46:10the sound of talking

00:46:11in the living room.

00:46:12I mean the noise

00:46:13of entering and leaving

00:46:14two or three times.

00:46:16Two or three of them

00:46:17coming and going

00:46:17several times,

00:46:18returning laden

00:46:19with heavy parcels,

00:46:21dumping these parcels

00:46:22on the living room floor.

00:46:23Did you hear any of that?

00:46:25No, and I'm sure

00:46:26I would have done.

00:46:27Thank you, Mrs. Pritchard.

00:46:28My Lord?

00:46:29Thank you, Mrs. Pritchard.

00:46:30Yes.

00:46:31Mrs. Pritchard,

00:46:33are you absolutely certain

00:46:34that on both of the evenings

00:46:36you've been questioned

00:46:37about by London Council,

00:46:38that is the 5th of May

00:46:39and the 6th of May,

00:46:41you were at the defendant's home

00:46:42between the hours

00:46:43of 5pm and 6pm?

00:46:45Yes, my Lord.

00:46:47I've checked my diary

00:46:48because I keep a note

00:46:49of the hours I've worked

00:46:49for Mr. Shepard in it

00:46:51and I was there

00:46:52on both days.

00:46:53Yes.

00:46:53Thank you very much,

00:46:54Mrs. Pritchard.

00:46:55You may leave

00:46:55the witness box.

00:46:56I call Marie Shepard.

00:46:58Marie Shepard.

00:47:08Now, what religion are you?

00:47:10Now, take the book

00:47:11in your right hand,

00:47:11read the words on the card.

00:47:13I swear by Almighty God

00:47:15that the evidence I shall give

00:47:16shall be the truth,

00:47:17the whole truth,

00:47:18and nothing but the truth.

00:47:21What is your full name?

00:47:22Marie Shepard.

00:47:23Are you related

00:47:24to the accused?

00:47:26Yes, he's my father.

00:47:28What is your occupation,

00:47:29Miss Shepard?

00:47:31The jury in this case

00:47:47is composed of members

00:47:48of the general public.

00:47:50The Queen against Shepard

00:47:51will be concluded tomorrow

00:47:52in the Crown Court.

00:47:54Philip Shepard has been charged

00:48:19with the murder

00:48:20of John Butlin.

00:48:21His daughter has just been called

00:48:22to give evidence

00:48:23for the prosecution.

00:48:26Yes, he's my father.

00:48:28What is your occupation,

00:48:30Miss Shepard?

00:48:31I'm taking a law degree

00:48:32at Fullchester University.

00:48:33I'm in my second year.

00:48:35I understand you live

00:48:36in the ground floor

00:48:36maisonette directly beneath

00:48:38your father.

00:48:39That's right.

00:48:40My lord,

00:48:41I wish to make it clear

00:48:42that I'm giving evidence

00:48:43for the prosecution

00:48:44against my wishes.

00:48:45I have no desire

00:48:46to testify against my father.

00:48:48I think that is understood,

00:48:49Miss Shepard.

00:48:50I'd like to ask you

00:48:51some questions

00:48:51about your movements

00:48:52in the first week of May.

00:48:53I understand.

00:48:55My lord,

00:48:55I know this as I'm not

00:48:56an expert witness,

00:48:57I shouldn't refer to notes,

00:48:59but I wonder if I might refer

00:49:00to my study schedule

00:49:01to ensure my answers

00:49:02are entirely accurate.

00:49:04I don't see why not,

00:49:05Miss Shepard.

00:49:06Any objections to that,

00:49:07Mr. Canty?

00:49:08No, no, my lord.

00:49:10Now then, Miss Shepard,

00:49:11the 5th of May last,

00:49:14what were you doing

00:49:15that afternoon?

00:49:17Researching at

00:49:17Fullchester Public Library

00:49:19in the afternoon,

00:49:20then revision work

00:49:21at home in the evening.

00:49:22Have you any idea

00:49:23what time you returned

00:49:24to your flat?

00:49:25It would be about 6pm.

00:49:26Yes.

00:49:27Did you see your father

00:49:28that evening?

00:49:29Yes, I saw him in the hall.

00:49:31He was a bit breathless.

00:49:31He'd been rushing

00:49:32to get to the shops

00:49:33before they shut.

00:49:34He said he had some work

00:49:35to do and would be busy

00:49:35for the rest of the evening.

00:49:37Did you hear any

00:49:38unusual sounds

00:49:39coming from his flat

00:49:40that evening?

00:49:41No, just ordinary

00:49:43everyday noises.

00:49:44Dad moving about,

00:49:45having a bath and shower.

00:49:46Do you recall

00:49:47any towing and froing

00:49:48upstairs between 5 and 7

00:49:50on the evening

00:49:51of the 6th of May?

00:49:52No.

00:49:53Very well then.

00:49:54Now the 7th of May,

00:49:55Miss Shepard.

00:49:56I was at university

00:49:58all that day.

00:49:59Well, I didn't return home

00:50:00until about 9 in the evening.

00:50:02Yes.

00:50:02And the following day,

00:50:03the 8th of May?

00:50:04I was in and out

00:50:05all that day.

00:50:06That was the day

00:50:07I thought Dad

00:50:07had fallen down the stairs.

00:50:09Oh, really?

00:50:09Why do you think that?

00:50:10I was at home reading

00:50:11in the early afternoon.

00:50:13Well, I heard this

00:50:13tremendous bumping

00:50:14on the stairs.

00:50:15I thought Dad

00:50:16had fallen over.

00:50:17I rushed out,

00:50:17but he was all right.

00:50:18He said he was just

00:50:19taking some rubbish

00:50:20to dump.

00:50:24Please,

00:50:24go on, Miss Shepard.

00:50:28Miss Shepard,

00:50:29you were telling the court

00:50:30your father said

00:50:30he was taking some rubbish

00:50:32to dump.

00:50:33What kind of rubbish?

00:50:35He had a large bundle.

00:50:37I offered to give him a hand,

00:50:39but he said he could manage.

00:50:41I went back indoors.

00:50:42Taking some rubbish

00:50:44to dump.

00:50:45That's right.

00:50:46Yes.

00:50:47And finally, Miss Shepard,

00:50:48do you know,

00:50:48or have you ever heard

00:50:49your father refer to

00:50:50three men known as

00:50:52Johnny the Print,

00:50:53Big Willie,

00:50:54or Boise?

00:50:55I've never heard of them,

00:50:57but there are lots of people

00:50:58who exist who I've never heard of.

00:50:59Oh, yes, quite so.

00:51:01Thank you, Miss Shepard.

00:51:03Miss Shepard,

00:51:04during the period of time

00:51:05that my learned friend

00:51:05has been questioning you about,

00:51:07apart from the events

00:51:08you have described,

00:51:10did you ever hear

00:51:11anything else

00:51:12or see anything else

00:51:14involving your father?

00:51:16No.

00:51:17No sounds of fighting

00:51:18from the flat above?

00:51:20Fighting?

00:51:21No sounds of a body

00:51:22being sawn up

00:51:24or being cut up?

00:51:26You are talking about

00:51:27my father, aren't you?

00:51:28Yes, I am.

00:51:29My father's the least

00:51:30violent man I've ever met.

00:51:32Throughout my entire childhood,

00:51:34he never hit me once.

00:51:35I've never seen him

00:51:36lose his temper.

00:51:38To me,

00:51:38he's a very gentle man.

00:51:41Thank you, Miss Shepard.

00:51:43No further questions?

00:51:46Does your Lordship

00:51:47have any questions?

00:51:48No, I think not,

00:51:48thank you, Miss Shepard.

00:51:49Then that, my Lord,

00:51:50is the case for the crown.

00:51:51I call Philip Shepard.

00:51:56Yes, I deal in antiques.

00:52:20How long have you been engaged

00:52:21in that line of business?

00:52:22Oh, more years

00:52:22than I care to remember.

00:52:23Most of my life, in fact.

00:52:25Do you find it

00:52:25a very lucrative profession?

00:52:27It fluctuates.

00:52:28You can have

00:52:28lean periods

00:52:29and then very good ones.

00:52:31Now, Mr Shepard,

00:52:31upon your instructions,

00:52:32I took no issue

00:52:34with the evidence

00:52:35of the Chief Inspector.

00:52:37That was because

00:52:37you accepted

00:52:38that his testimony,

00:52:39particularly that part

00:52:40giving your statement,

00:52:42was entirely accurate.

00:52:43No, that is not the reason

00:52:46I instructed you accordingly.

00:52:49Really?

00:52:50Then what, er,

00:52:52what was the reason,

00:52:54Mr Shepard?

00:52:55Well, having heard

00:52:55that statement read out

00:52:56at the committal proceedings,

00:52:57I realised that it was

00:52:58absolutely pointless

00:52:59for me to contest

00:53:00any part of it.

00:53:01I felt it would only

00:53:02prejudice my case

00:53:03in front of a jury.

00:53:05Mr Shepard,

00:53:05do I understand you correctly?

00:53:07Are you saying

00:53:07the Chief Inspector

00:53:08Rutherford's evidence

00:53:09was wrong?

00:53:10That he was in error?

00:53:11Yes, my Lord.

00:53:12Well, you can't have it

00:53:12both ways.

00:53:14The time to challenge

00:53:14Chief Inspector Rutherford's evidence

00:53:15was when he was

00:53:16in the witness box.

00:53:17To do so now

00:53:18would be improper.

00:53:19Most improper.

00:53:20Yes, I appreciate that,

00:53:21my Lord,

00:53:21but my counsel

00:53:22asked me my reasons.

00:53:24I'm on oath.

00:53:25I'm therefore

00:53:25telling the truth.

00:53:28I see.

00:53:30Mr County,

00:53:30I must warn you

00:53:31to steer a very fine course.

00:53:34Of course, my Lord.

00:53:36I, er,

00:53:37I realise

00:53:37I am in certain difficulties,

00:53:39but without wishing

00:53:39to retrospectively

00:53:40challenge

00:53:41Chief Superintendent,

00:53:42I do feel

00:53:43that I must question

00:53:44my client

00:53:45as to

00:53:45the background

00:53:47to this position

00:53:47he has chosen to take.

00:53:49You're embarking

00:53:50on a very dangerous course.

00:53:51My Lord,

00:53:52perhaps the jury

00:53:53should be excused

00:53:53during this discussion.

00:53:55May we all come to that?

00:53:57We shall see.

00:53:58Carry on,

00:53:59Mr Canty.

00:54:00Thank you, my Lord.

00:54:02Was the Chief Inspector

00:54:03known to you

00:54:04prior to your arrest?

00:54:04Yes, he was.

00:54:06I was visited

00:54:07in my antique shop

00:54:08by him

00:54:08or his men

00:54:09continually

00:54:11over a period of years.

00:54:12Why did they visit you,

00:54:13these policemen?

00:54:14Ostensibly,

00:54:15to give me current lifts

00:54:15of stolen valuables

00:54:16that might be offered to me.

00:54:17You say,

00:54:18ostensibly,

00:54:19was there any other reason?

00:54:20They'd ask me questions

00:54:21about this robbery,

00:54:22about that break-in.

00:54:23Did I know

00:54:24who was responsible?

00:54:25Had I any idea

00:54:26where the stuff might be?

00:54:28Surely,

00:54:28these would be

00:54:29routine questions

00:54:30as a man

00:54:30in the antique business

00:54:31ought to be used

00:54:32to that sort of thing.

00:54:33There are many ways

00:54:34of asking questions.

00:54:35I'm sure you know that.

00:54:38I feel we have

00:54:38the drift of this now,

00:54:39Mr Canty.

00:54:41Yes.

00:54:41Might I suggest

00:54:42that you explore

00:54:43other avenues?

00:54:46Very well, my Lord.

00:54:48How well did you know

00:54:49the deceased John Butler?

00:54:51Well, not very well.

00:54:51As I said in my statement,

00:54:53I knew him to nod to

00:54:54and a couple of times

00:54:54he'd had drinks together

00:54:55in nightclubs.

00:54:56Apart from that,

00:54:56you had no other contact

00:54:57with the dead man.

00:54:58Not at all.

00:54:59Now, in your statement

00:55:00to the police,

00:55:00Mr Shepard,

00:55:01you said that the man

00:55:01Johnny the Print

00:55:02was known to you.

00:55:04Is that correct?

00:55:05Yes, I've met him

00:55:05a couple of times

00:55:06in Liverpool

00:55:06in nightclubs.

00:55:07We got on well together.

00:55:08He sold me some silver

00:55:09on one occasion.

00:55:11Now, when he phoned you

00:55:12on the 6th of May

00:55:13and asked if you would be

00:55:14willing to earn

00:55:16a quick £1,000,

00:55:18were you surprised?

00:55:19Well, not really.

00:55:20He made it clear

00:55:21on the phone

00:55:21it was because I flew.

00:55:23I mean, did you realise

00:55:24at the time

00:55:24that the job

00:55:24might involve

00:55:25some element of criminality?

00:55:27Oh, yes.

00:55:28People don't offer you

00:55:29£1,000 cash,

00:55:30no questions asked

00:55:31for a straight job.

00:55:33Despite that fact,

00:55:34you were prepared

00:55:35to consider it?

00:55:36Yes, I was.

00:55:37I was very short

00:55:37of cash at the time.

00:55:39Now, the details

00:55:39recorded in your statement

00:55:40about how the men

00:55:41came to your house,

00:55:44are they accurate?

00:55:46Yes, they are.

00:55:47It's all accurate

00:55:49as far as it goes.

00:55:51I see.

00:55:52What you are objecting

00:55:53to are omissions?

00:55:55Yes.

00:55:56Perhaps I can help

00:55:57my learned friend,

00:55:58my lord.

00:55:59When I cross-examine

00:56:00the witness,

00:56:01I am prepared

00:56:01to question him

00:56:02about these omissions

00:56:03and in the light

00:56:04of his answers,

00:56:05it might be that

00:56:06Chief Inspector Rutherford

00:56:07should be recalled

00:56:08to the witness box.

00:56:10Mr Canty?

00:56:11My lord,

00:56:11I am obliged

00:56:12to my learned friend.

00:56:13Thank you, my lord.

00:56:16So, these three men

00:56:17came to your house

00:56:18at about five o'clock

00:56:19on the 6th of May

00:56:20and for 1,000 pounds

00:56:22you agreed to drop

00:56:23three parcels

00:56:24into the Irish Sea.

00:56:26That's correct.

00:56:27Johnny told me

00:56:28there were counterfeit plates

00:56:29that needed to be lost fast.

00:56:31Now, the account you gave

00:56:32and that statement

00:56:33read out by the

00:56:34Chief Inspector

00:56:34of how you disposed

00:56:36of what you thought

00:56:37were counterfeit plates.

00:56:39Do you accept that?

00:56:40Yes.

00:56:41It is entirely accurate.

00:56:43Now, we have heard evidence

00:56:44that on the day

00:56:45that Butlin disappeared

00:56:46you had a knife,

00:56:49a carving knife,

00:56:50sharpened.

00:56:51Why did you have

00:56:51that knife sharpened?

00:56:52I bought a job lot

00:56:53of antique Victorian boxes

00:56:55earlier in the day.

00:56:55When I got back

00:56:56to the flat,

00:56:57I discovered in one of them

00:56:58a quantity of junk jewellery,

00:57:00dress items,

00:57:01that sort of thing.

00:57:02Among the jewellery

00:57:03was a Georgian diamond earring.

00:57:05Just the one

00:57:05that was relatively worthless

00:57:06but the pair

00:57:07could have been worth

00:57:07a great deal of money,

00:57:08perhaps 30,000 pounds.

00:57:10That particular box

00:57:11had a false bottom.

00:57:13I could hear something

00:57:14rattling around inside.

00:57:15I thought it would be

00:57:15the other earring

00:57:16but I couldn't get

00:57:17the bottom out.

00:57:18My knife edge

00:57:19was too thick.

00:57:19That is why

00:57:20I needed a knife

00:57:21with a fine edge

00:57:22to prise that bottom out.

00:57:24And did you discover

00:57:25the matching earring?

00:57:27I'm afraid not,

00:57:28my lord.

00:57:28There was just

00:57:29a worthless brooch inside.

00:57:31When did you realise

00:57:33that the three parcels

00:57:34you had agreed to drop

00:57:35did not in fact

00:57:36contain counterfeit plates?

00:57:38When I tried

00:57:39to move the big one

00:57:40I saw there was blood

00:57:41on the carpet.

00:57:44Now what did you

00:57:44then think they contained?

00:57:45I didn't think.

00:57:47I didn't want to think.

00:57:48I just wanted to get

00:57:48that damn parcel

00:57:49out of my home.

00:57:50It was pointless

00:57:51going to the police.

00:57:52I've only told you

00:57:52how anxious they were

00:57:53to nail something onto me.

00:57:55Imagine going to see

00:57:56Chief Inspector Rutherford.

00:57:58Oh, by the way,

00:57:59Chief Inspector,

00:57:59I thought you might

00:58:00like to know

00:58:00there's a parcel

00:58:01in the middle

00:58:01of my living room

00:58:02oozing blood

00:58:03onto the carpet.

00:58:04I don't know

00:58:04what's inside

00:58:05or I got there

00:58:05but I'm sure

00:58:06you'd be interested.

00:58:08That was a lovely

00:58:09catch, 22.

00:58:11What do you mean?

00:58:12I mean that I was

00:58:13caught either way

00:58:14I moved.

00:58:15If I went to the police

00:58:16they'd probably charge

00:58:17me with a very serious

00:58:18crime.

00:58:18If they didn't charge me

00:58:19went looking for

00:58:20the three men

00:58:20the odds are

00:58:21the three men

00:58:22would find me

00:58:22before the police

00:58:23found them.

00:58:24I mean,

00:58:24I'd be the next parcel

00:58:25dumped into the Irish Sea.

00:58:26My only hope

00:58:27was to get that parcel

00:58:28out of my home

00:58:29onto a plane

00:58:30and into the Irish Sea.

00:58:33That's what I did.

00:58:35Did you kill

00:58:36John Butlin?

00:58:37No, I didn't.

00:58:39Did you cut his body up?

00:58:41No, I did not.

00:58:43No further questions.

00:58:52You admit, though,

00:58:54do you not

00:58:54that you took

00:58:55the dismembered pieces

00:58:56of John Butlin's body

00:58:57and dropped them

00:58:58from a plane

00:58:58into the Irish Sea?

00:59:00I know that now

00:59:00but at the time

00:59:01I thought

00:59:02they were counterfeit plates.

00:59:03And you did this

00:59:04for money?

00:59:05Yes.

00:59:05For £1,000?

00:59:07Yes.

00:59:08You would have the court

00:59:08believe you thought

00:59:09you were dropping

00:59:10counterfeit plates

00:59:11into the sea.

00:59:12That's what they told me

00:59:13the parcel's contained.

00:59:14So, by your own admission

00:59:15you were engaged

00:59:16upon a criminal enterprise.

00:59:18Yes.

00:59:19But not murder.

00:59:20I wouldn't have

00:59:20anything to do with that.

00:59:21Wouldn't you,

00:59:22Shepard?

00:59:23But you did.

00:59:24Counterfeit plates

00:59:25don't drip blood

00:59:26onto carpets,

00:59:27do they?

00:59:28No.

00:59:29No.

00:59:30Then why not go

00:59:30to the police?

00:59:31Why not tell them

00:59:31you had been horribly

00:59:32compromised by these

00:59:33three men?

00:59:34I've already told you

00:59:35my reasons for not

00:59:36going to the police.

00:59:37Oh, yes.

00:59:37Yes, indeed.

00:59:38This tale of a vendetta

00:59:39between yourself

00:59:40and Fulchester Police

00:59:41in general

00:59:41and the chief inspector

00:59:43in particular.

00:59:44Tell me

00:59:45about your statement,

00:59:47Shepard.

00:59:47What is your complaint

00:59:48about it?

00:59:48What are these

00:59:49omissions

00:59:49that you mention?

00:59:50At the time

00:59:52I made that statement

00:59:52to the chief inspector

00:59:53I gave him

00:59:54a detailed description

00:59:55of the three men.

00:59:57There's nothing

00:59:57of that in my statement.

00:59:59Indeed there isn't.

01:00:00Why do you think

01:00:01that is?

01:00:02They didn't want

01:00:03to waste time

01:00:03looking for three men

01:00:04when they had me

01:00:05in Fulchester Police Station.

01:00:06Burden and Angersworth

01:00:07two or three in the bush.

01:00:08So you believe

01:00:09the chief inspector

01:00:10deliberately suppressed

01:00:11this information?

01:00:12I know he did.

01:00:13We shall see.

01:00:14On the 5th of May last

01:00:18John Butlin vanished

01:00:19from the face of the earth

01:00:20sometime after 4.30pm

01:00:22and less than

01:00:23one hour and a half later

01:00:25you rush into

01:00:26a hardware store

01:00:27in Fulchester

01:00:27to get a large

01:00:28carving knife

01:00:29resharpened.

01:00:30You're in such a hurry

01:00:31you won't even wait

01:00:32for a proper edge

01:00:33to be put on the knife.

01:00:35I put it to you

01:00:36that your need

01:00:36for a sharp carving knife

01:00:37was to cut up

01:00:38the body of John Butlin.

01:00:39You're wrong.

01:00:39I put it to you

01:00:40that between 4.30 and 6pm

01:00:42you had killed

01:00:43Butlin in your flat.

01:00:44That's not true.

01:00:45And that having killed him

01:00:46you were faced with

01:00:47an apparently

01:00:47insurmountable problem.

01:00:49With all due respect

01:00:50Mr. Shepard

01:00:51you're not a very big man

01:00:52are you?

01:00:53No.

01:00:53Average strength?

01:00:54I think so.

01:00:55I'm sure you couldn't lift

01:00:56and carry out of your flat

01:00:58the dead Butlin

01:00:58a man weighing

01:00:59some 14 and a half stone

01:01:01some 6 feet tall.

01:01:03You're talking

01:01:04pure fantasy.

01:01:06Am I Shepard?

01:01:07But it's no fantasy

01:01:08that you couldn't

01:01:09lift the headless torso

01:01:10out of your flat

01:01:11is it?

01:01:12It was only with

01:01:12the greatest difficulty

01:01:13that you managed

01:01:14to drag it to the top

01:01:15of the stairs

01:01:15and then let it bump

01:01:16its way down

01:01:17to the bottom.

01:01:17Now that's no fantasy

01:01:19is it?

01:01:20No.

01:01:21And when the noise

01:01:22of that torso

01:01:22bumping downstairs

01:01:23disturbed your daughter

01:01:24you told her

01:01:26you were just

01:01:26taking some rubbish

01:01:28to dump.

01:01:30Is that how you value

01:01:31human life Shepard?

01:01:32Some rubbish to dump?

01:01:33I didn't want Marie

01:01:34I didn't want Marie

01:01:34to get involved.

01:01:36On two separate occasions

01:01:38you took parts

01:01:40of Butlin's body

01:01:41up into a plane

01:01:42flew out of the Irish Sea

01:01:44and dropped them

01:01:45into the water.

01:01:45Now that is correct

01:01:46is it not?

01:01:47But I said I thought

01:01:48I was dumping

01:01:48counterfeit plates.

01:01:50You were prepared

01:01:51to put your own life

01:01:52at very real risk

01:01:53for 1,000 pounds

01:01:54to dump counterfeit plates

01:01:55for forges.

01:01:56You were prepared

01:01:56to risk your life

01:01:58for a trifle.

01:01:59I wasn't risking my life.

01:02:01Oh but you were.

01:02:02The plane that you flew

01:02:04was a single engine

01:02:05Cessna 150

01:02:06was it not?

01:02:07Yes it was.

01:02:08Well if that single engine

01:02:09should fail

01:02:10your life would be

01:02:11in very great danger

01:02:12over an open sea.

01:02:13And you put your life

01:02:14in that danger

01:02:14didn't you?

01:02:15I'd never thought of it.

01:02:17Oh come along now

01:02:18please you're an

01:02:18experienced flyer.

01:02:20Surely you wouldn't

01:02:21put your life

01:02:21into very real jeopardy

01:02:23just for 1,000 pounds.

01:02:25Well I did.

01:02:26Did you?

01:02:27No I suggest

01:02:29you only took that risk

01:02:30in a bid to get away

01:02:31with murder.

01:02:33That the only way

01:02:33you could get the dead

01:02:34body out of your flat

01:02:35was by cutting it up

01:02:36and then only

01:02:37with the very greatest

01:02:37difficulty.

01:02:40And why?

01:02:41Why was the door

01:02:42to your living room

01:02:43locked for a number

01:02:44of days early in May?

01:02:46Oh I didn't want

01:02:47Mrs Pritchard poking around

01:02:48while the parcels

01:02:49were in there.

01:02:50I put it to you

01:02:51that you didn't want

01:02:51Mrs Pritchard

01:02:52or your daughter

01:02:53or anyone else

01:02:54walking in on you

01:02:55while you were cutting up

01:02:56the body of John Butlin.

01:02:58I further put it to you

01:02:59that these three men

01:03:00Johnny the print

01:03:01Big Willie and Boise

01:03:02are a fabrication

01:03:03figments of your

01:03:05fertile imagination

01:03:06that they do not exist

01:03:07outside your own mind.

01:03:09Well what do we know

01:03:10of these three men?

01:03:11Nothing

01:03:11except what you have

01:03:13told us about them.

01:03:14Nobody saw them

01:03:14enter your flat

01:03:15no one saw them leave.

01:03:16No one apart from you

01:03:18has ever seen them.

01:03:19What do you know

01:03:21such men?

01:03:22What could you know

01:03:23about such men?

01:03:25You're cocooned

01:03:25in your upper middle

01:03:26class life.

01:03:28Prep school

01:03:28public school

01:03:29university

01:03:30read for the bar

01:03:31you've moved

01:03:32from one ivory tower

01:03:33to another.

01:03:35There's another world

01:03:36out there.

01:03:38In London

01:03:39you can get a man

01:03:41to kill

01:03:41for 500 pounds

01:03:42you can buy a gun

01:03:43for 50 in Liverpool

01:03:44you can arrange

01:03:47for a man

01:03:48to slash another man's

01:03:49face

01:03:50in Glasgow

01:03:51with a razor

01:03:52for 25 pounds.

01:03:56There are nightclubs

01:03:56in Birmingham

01:03:57where you get a glass

01:03:58in your face

01:03:58they're just looking

01:03:59at another man's wife

01:04:00yes just looking.

01:04:03Those three men

01:04:04exist all right

01:04:04and dozens like them.

01:04:07You ask the police

01:04:08ask the casualty doctors

01:04:10in every bigger hospital

01:04:11ask the governor

01:04:12of any prison

01:04:13you live a privileged

01:04:16life

01:04:17Mr. Edgar

01:04:18I've sat here

01:04:20and listened to you

01:04:21for the last three days

01:04:23playing games

01:04:24with the troops.

01:04:26Mr. Shepherd

01:04:26you must not take it

01:04:27all so personally.

01:04:28Lord I do take it personally

01:04:30my freedom

01:04:30is a very personal matter.

01:04:32You see I can't win.

01:04:34If I'm convicted

01:04:35I face a life in prison.

01:04:37If I'm acquitted

01:04:37then sooner or later

01:04:38those three men

01:04:39will come looking for me

01:04:39or they'll send somebody else.

01:04:41See no one's allowed

01:04:41to grasp

01:04:42to inform.

01:04:43that may not be the law

01:04:44in this courtroom

01:04:45in this courtroom

01:04:48but it's the law

01:04:50where those three

01:04:50come from.

01:04:55How well

01:04:56did you really know

01:04:57John Butlin?

01:04:58I've told you

01:04:59I knew him to nod to

01:05:01on the street

01:05:01and a couple of times

01:05:03we had a drink together.

01:05:04Well what did you discuss

01:05:05over those drinks?

01:05:07What do you mean?

01:05:08What did we discuss?

01:05:08Well did you discuss

01:05:10current events

01:05:11in Portugal

01:05:12for example?

01:05:13We talked about

01:05:14his car business

01:05:15and the antique game.

01:05:17That sort of thing.

01:05:20When Mr. Adams

01:05:21was giving evidence

01:05:22my learned friend

01:05:23was at pains to discover

01:05:24if John Butlin

01:05:25was at the time

01:05:25of his death

01:05:26engaged in any

01:05:27criminal activity

01:05:28receiving stolen property

01:05:29for example.

01:05:30Maybe you can assist him

01:05:31in that area.

01:05:33Did you know

01:05:33the deceased

01:05:34had served

01:05:34a prison sentence

01:05:35for receiving?

01:05:37Yes of course

01:05:38lots of people knew.

01:05:39Do you know

01:05:40if Butlin engaged

01:05:41in such activities

01:05:41after he'd been

01:05:43released from prison?

01:05:44No I don't know

01:05:44that was his affair

01:05:45not mine.

01:05:46Did you know

01:05:47he was in the habit

01:05:48of carrying large sums

01:05:49of money around

01:05:49with him?

01:05:50Yes of course.

01:05:51Anyone with the slightest

01:05:52connection with John Butlin

01:05:54knew that.

01:05:55And you knew that

01:05:55did you?

01:05:56You knew he carried

01:05:57around large sums

01:05:58of money.

01:05:59That's what I've said.

01:06:00Yes and at the time

01:06:02of Butlin's death

01:06:02you were

01:06:03let me see

01:06:04how did you phrase it

01:06:04in view of the fact

01:06:05that I needed money badly

01:06:07at that time

01:06:09I agreed to do the job.

01:06:12And that of course

01:06:12if we are to believe you

01:06:13was the job

01:06:14of dumping the remains

01:06:15of John Butlin

01:06:16into the Irish Sea.

01:06:16That is right

01:06:17is it not?

01:06:18Yes for one thousand pounds.

01:06:21Yes.

01:06:21Yes one thousand pounds

01:06:22cash.

01:06:23Money that had come

01:06:24from the dead man's pocket.

01:06:25But I didn't know

01:06:26that at the time.

01:06:27What you didn't know

01:06:28at the time was

01:06:28that there was a record

01:06:29of the numbers

01:06:30of over three thousand

01:06:31pounds worth

01:06:32of those notes.

01:06:32You didn't know that

01:06:33did you?

01:06:34No I didn't.

01:06:35No.

01:06:36Now

01:06:37these three men

01:06:39that you tell us exist

01:06:40why should they contact you?

01:06:44Johnny the print

01:06:45knew I flew planes.

01:06:46He said a couple of times

01:06:47that he could probably

01:06:47put work my way.

01:06:48Did he indicate

01:06:49what kind of work?

01:06:51No he didn't

01:06:51that first time

01:06:52I'd work for him.

01:06:53Disposal of a man's body

01:06:55for one thousand pounds.

01:06:58I put it to you

01:06:58shepherd that a man

01:06:59who will dispose

01:07:00of a body

01:07:00for one thousand pounds

01:07:01will kill

01:07:02for five thousand.

01:07:03You can put to me

01:07:03what you like.

01:07:04I don't know

01:07:05about your ethics

01:07:06but I wouldn't kill

01:07:07for twenty times

01:07:08that amount.

01:07:08But you did

01:07:09dispose of the body

01:07:10for one thousand pounds.

01:07:12I've told you

01:07:12I thought I was dumping

01:07:13counterfeit plates.

01:07:15Oh but you knew

01:07:16did you not

01:07:17before any part

01:07:18of that body

01:07:18had left your flat

01:07:19that in fact

01:07:20it was a body

01:07:21and not counterfeit plates.

01:07:22I told you

01:07:23I didn't want to think.

01:07:24When I saw that blood

01:07:25coming out

01:07:25I realised

01:07:26I was dealing

01:07:27with violent

01:07:28dangerous men.

01:07:29I was trapped.

01:07:30I just wanted

01:07:30to get that stuff

01:07:31out of my home

01:07:32and away from my life

01:07:32as fast as possible.

01:07:33When I saw that blood

01:07:34I had the fear

01:07:36of Christ in me.

01:07:38So you lied

01:07:39to your daily help.

01:07:40You lied

01:07:41to your own daughter.

01:07:42Yes I did.

01:07:43You're not a very

01:07:43honest man are you?

01:07:45That's what I mean

01:07:45about you.

01:07:47Playing with truth.

01:07:48If you show me

01:07:49one man or woman

01:07:50in this courtroom

01:07:51who can get into

01:07:51this witness box

01:07:52and swear

01:07:53under oath

01:07:53that they've never

01:07:54told a lie

01:07:55you just show me one.

01:07:57Are you so god I'm pure

01:07:58it's so easy

01:07:59to point a finger

01:08:00isn't it?

01:08:00But you're doing

01:08:01the pointing

01:08:01Mr. Shepherd.

01:08:02Mr. Shepherd

01:08:03I must ask you

01:08:04to control yourself.

01:08:05My lord

01:08:05I'm on trial

01:08:06for a murder

01:08:07I did not commit

01:08:08and you ask me

01:08:08to control myself.

01:08:09With all respect

01:08:10for my lord

01:08:10for me

01:08:11this is no game.

01:08:13I can't go home

01:08:14this evening

01:08:14and get the port

01:08:15out with my wife

01:08:15and discuss

01:08:15what a fascinating

01:08:16day I've had in court.

01:08:17I've been obliged

01:08:20to watch

01:08:21while my daughter

01:08:21was called

01:08:22for the prosecution

01:08:23presumably

01:08:23to give evidence

01:08:24against me

01:08:24that God knows

01:08:25what they hope

01:08:25to get from her.

01:08:27This courtroom

01:08:28should be a place

01:08:28where truth

01:08:29is sought for.

01:08:31Surely the function

01:08:32of the court

01:08:32are to protect society

01:08:34against a criminal.

01:08:35Am I not a member

01:08:36of society?

01:08:37Indeed you are

01:08:38Mr. Shepherd

01:08:38and we are here

01:08:40to decide

01:08:40whether you are

01:08:41also a criminal.

01:08:41I must ask you

01:08:43again to contain

01:08:44yourself to answering

01:08:45questions put to you

01:08:46by learning counsel.

01:08:48I am obliged

01:08:49to your lordship.

01:08:50Shepherd

01:08:51after you had

01:08:52disposed of the

01:08:53remains of John

01:08:54Butlin

01:08:54you were tempted

01:08:56to conceal your

01:08:57deed did you not?

01:08:58Yes.

01:08:58You had your

01:08:59bloodstained carpet

01:09:00clean.

01:09:00Yes.

01:09:01You attempted to

01:09:01remove the bloodstains

01:09:02from the floorboard.

01:09:03Yes I did.

01:09:05Those were hardly

01:09:05the actions of an

01:09:06innocent man were

01:09:07they?

01:09:09That's for the jury

01:09:10to decide.

01:09:12I put it to you

01:09:13that on the

01:09:13afternoon of the

01:09:145th of May last

01:09:15you murdered

01:09:15John Butlin

01:09:16in your living room

01:09:17by stabbing him

01:09:18to death.

01:09:18I put it to you

01:09:19that you then

01:09:20dismembered his

01:09:20body,

01:09:21parceled up the

01:09:22pieces and

01:09:23subsequently dropped

01:09:23them from your

01:09:24plane into the

01:09:25Irish Sea.

01:09:26And I put it

01:09:27to you?

01:09:29You know as well

01:09:30as I do.

01:09:30There's not one

01:09:31vestige of truth

01:09:32in those accusations.

01:09:34No more

01:09:34questions my lord.

01:09:38My lord

01:09:39I do not wish

01:09:40to re-examine.

01:09:41that is the case

01:09:43for the defence.

01:09:49I do not recall

01:09:50that at any time

01:09:51Shepard gave more

01:09:53than the sketchiest

01:09:54description of these

01:09:55three men.

01:09:57Was he given the

01:09:57opportunity to look

01:09:58through what I believe

01:09:59you call your rogues

01:10:00gallery, photographs

01:10:01of known criminals?

01:10:03Yes he was.

01:10:04He looked at a number

01:10:05of books.

01:10:06He failed to identify

01:10:07anyone.

01:10:08Thank you Chief

01:10:08Inspector.

01:10:10Chief Inspector

01:10:10you say that he

01:10:12offered you only the

01:10:13sketchiest of

01:10:14descriptions of the

01:10:15three men.

01:10:16That is correct.

01:10:17Well I put it to you

01:10:17Inspector that he gave

01:10:18you the following

01:10:18descriptions.

01:10:20Firstly Johnny the Print

01:10:21of a puddy in age

01:10:22of about 50

01:10:23height about 6 foot

01:10:242 inches

01:10:25well built

01:10:26red hair

01:10:26secondly

01:10:27big willy

01:10:28Scotsman

01:10:29probably from Glasgow

01:10:30age about 35

01:10:31bald

01:10:32two front teeth

01:10:33missing

01:10:34thirdly

01:10:35boysy

01:10:35slim build

01:10:36cockney

01:10:36black hair

01:10:37age about 25

01:10:38wore glasses

01:10:39as I put it to

01:10:39you Inspector

01:10:40that he gave

01:10:40you these

01:10:41descriptions.

01:10:43Absolutely not.

01:10:45You say he was

01:10:45shown books

01:10:46of mug shots

01:10:47how many of these

01:10:47books would be

01:10:48shown?

01:10:49About six.

01:10:50About six?

01:10:52Would I be right

01:10:53in saying Inspector

01:10:54that you have at your

01:10:54disposal several

01:10:55hundred of these

01:10:56books of photographs

01:10:57or mug shots

01:10:58or whatever you

01:10:58care to call them?

01:11:00Yes you would.

01:11:04Indeed there is

01:11:05no direct proof

01:11:06that the living

01:11:07button was ever

01:11:08in Shepard's flat

01:11:09but undoubtedly

01:11:12the dead body

01:11:13of that man

01:11:14was in Shepard's flat

01:11:16and equally

01:11:18it is beyond issue

01:11:19that Shepard

01:11:20disposed of that body

01:11:21now he has sworn

01:11:23that he did not know

01:11:24that it was

01:11:24Buckley's body

01:11:25he has told us

01:11:27of his agreement

01:11:28with these three men

01:11:29to dispose

01:11:30of counterfeit plates

01:11:32you will consider

01:11:33that testimony

01:11:34very carefully

01:11:35he has given

01:11:37a simple explanation

01:11:38of his need

01:11:39for a sharpened

01:11:40carving knife

01:11:41on the day

01:11:42that Butlin vanished

01:11:44the prosecution

01:11:45have suggested

01:11:46a much more sinister

01:11:47reason

01:11:48that sharpened

01:11:49carving knife

01:11:50now if you consider

01:11:53Shepard's story

01:11:54of these three men

01:11:55to be a tissue

01:11:56of lies

01:11:57that will go a long

01:11:58way towards

01:11:59establishing his guilt

01:12:01if on the other hand

01:12:03you believe his account

01:12:05you must acquit him

01:12:07members of the jury

01:12:12will your foreman

01:12:12please stand

01:12:13and just answer

01:12:14this question

01:12:15yes or no

01:12:16have you reached

01:12:17a verdict

01:12:17on which you'd all

01:12:18agreed

01:12:18yes

01:12:19and do you find

01:12:20the defendant

01:12:21Philip Shepard

01:12:21guilty or not guilty

01:12:23on the charge of murder

01:12:24not guilty

01:12:25I told you

01:12:29I was innocent

01:12:30it's academic

01:12:33Shepard

01:12:33they'll charge you

01:12:34of being an accessory

01:12:35after the fact

01:12:36to murder

01:12:37probably get

01:12:39ten years

01:12:39you can join

01:12:55another jury

01:12:55when our cameras

01:12:56return to bring you

01:12:57a further case

01:12:58in the Crown Court

01:13:09to be

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