Raoul Moat Inside the Mind of a Killer 2025

dante chazy

In July 2010, Raoul Moat went on a two-day shooting spree, killing one person and seriously injuring two others, leading the police on a week-long manhunt across the Northeast of England. His brutal and terrifying rampage left a wake of emotional and physical devastation. 15 years later, the legacy of these events continues to impact those left behind.

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00:00:00It was the Friday evening, and suddenly I heard four police sirens go off.

00:00:22Can everyone just please move back in the lane for your own safety?

00:00:25And I was like, they found him, they found him, they found him.

00:00:28Well, it's just gone eight o'clock and Northumbria police have just revealed that they are negotiating with a man who fits a description of Raoul Moat.

00:00:36He shot his ex-girlfriend, he shot her new partner, he then shot a policeman.

00:00:41It was the biggest manhunt we'd ever seen.

00:00:43Officers from across the country, helicopters flying overhead, armed vehicles on the street.

00:00:49He even had an RAF tornado jet.

00:00:51There are dramatic developments tonight in the hunt for Raoul Moat, the gunman who's been on the run in Northumberland for the last seven days.

00:00:58They were saying that he could go on the run for weeks, for months, he may never be caught.

00:01:04And suddenly, it looked as if they had got their man.

00:01:08Raoul Moat had been cornered. He was holding a sawn-off shotgun to his neck. He still is, as I talk to you now.

00:01:15There's 20 armed officers pointing their weapons at Mr Moat. Unfortunately, he's got the shotgun facing underneath his head.

00:01:23It is absolutely clear that Raoul Moat was a callous murderer.

00:01:32Full stop, end of story.

00:01:35He's not stopping. He's on a hunt. He's on a rampage. Who's next? That's all I kept thinking. Who's next?

00:01:42I'm telling you now, I'm absolutely not going to stop. You're going to have to kill me. I'm never going to stop.

00:01:45People don't just turn into murderers. They're all at one point and then all taken away.

00:01:50He was damaged. He was mentally unwell. He wanted love. He never had it as a child.

00:01:55This is what happens when you push, push, push and push. Are you taking me serious now?

00:01:59I wasn't looking forward to getting out of the jail.

00:02:27People were saying, yeah, you should be smiling. But I wasn't.

00:02:33I get out, I get a lift back off me pile and I go to my house.

00:02:37Now my house is not the same house I remember.

00:02:40This sounds fucking nuts, right? But the house looked like a totally different house.

00:02:45It looked like as if someone had took the other one away and put this one back.

00:02:49Everything looked different.

00:02:51You know the trees are going to grow and I know the garden's going to get overgrown in my absence.

00:02:56But it didn't even look like my house.

00:02:59He's got out, sitting in the house on his own.

00:03:02He's got no kids there. His girlfriend's gone.

00:03:05In his mind he'd lost everything.

00:03:08However, I didn't agree with what he did.

00:03:10You know, it's devastating to be honest.

00:03:13The end of the world was on its way.

00:03:14Newcastle is literally one of the best cities in the world, I would say.

00:03:28It's full of so much heart.

00:03:30People are very proud to be from there.

00:03:33Be happy in it. That's the way to be. Only you get one chance.

00:03:36The West End's just on the west side of the Newcastle City Centre.

00:03:40You've got like Elzey, Benmore, Fennam.

00:03:42Me and Raul both grew up in like Fennam.

00:03:45The area where we both grew up, I mean, it's just an average working class area.

00:03:52My dad was self-employed. We ran a corner shop.

00:03:56You know, my mum and dad have Indian names and the corner shop was called Fred and Barbaras.

00:04:01My granddad used to work in the shipyards until the shutdown.

00:04:05And my mum was a cleaner.

00:04:06You know, Newcastle, be a proper man.

00:04:10You should be looking after your family and your kids and trying to bring them up the best you can.

00:04:15You know, you'd have to be a man's man in that time period.

00:04:19A man's man is meant to never show emotion, meant to act tough and hard and stuff like that.

00:04:27Sorry, I've got it.

00:04:28Got it.

00:04:30This was the thing with Raul, you know.

00:04:33What, do you want a hand?

00:04:33He was super strong externally, but I think he suffered a lot internally.

00:04:42He was a broken man.

00:04:48Well done.

00:04:49Yeah.

00:04:50How many did you do there, five?

00:04:51Just four in each other.

00:04:52I thought, sorry.

00:04:56I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

00:04:58Back then, I hear they drown.

00:05:00I thought he was the worst thing ever.

00:05:02I just knew it wouldn't be good.

00:05:05It wouldn't be a happy ending.

00:05:08So I met Raul on a night out in town.

00:05:11She was too young to go to town, but it happened.

00:05:15She met him until 16 and he was 31.

00:05:17And I believe Raul was a doorman on one of the pubs that she must have went into.

00:05:23When I first met Raul, it was scary, like the size room, but she cared a lot about Samantha.

00:05:30That's just the way I say it.

00:05:31She cared about Samantha and wanted to protect her.

00:05:34When he got with Sam, he gave up the doors and run a normal business.

00:05:41Mr. Trimmett was just like removing garden waste or taking trees down.

00:05:45Probably a fresh start for him.

00:05:46He's wanting a happy family life that he didn't really have.

00:05:50Raul got custody of his daughter's kids he had with his ex.

00:05:53And then Sam and him had a kid as well.

00:05:57He wanted to give them a family life with both mother and father present.

00:06:02But once you're past their honeymoon stage, lots of little cracks appear.

00:06:07It's not like a little dream anymore.

00:06:09I believe he had, like, split personality.

00:06:14He was a nice person.

00:06:16He could be a nice person, but he could also be a horrible person.

00:06:21When some mum first met Raul, she was a good little hairdresser.

00:06:24She was.

00:06:26Must have been tough because she'd give her hairdressing job up.

00:06:29And all of a sudden, she was like, it's in the house all the time.

00:06:31Raul was keeping her way from people.

00:06:33Don't believe she had any friends when she was with him.

00:06:35I remember at one point, I had had a disagreement and he had slapped her or something.

00:06:42And she wanted out.

00:06:43She wanted breathing space.

00:06:45So she just couldn't mind.

00:06:47But obviously, he knew where she'd be.

00:06:49And that's when the phone call started.

00:06:51It was non-stop.

00:06:52Like, every time she put the phone down, he would ring again.

00:06:55One time when Sam was with me Nana, he went to me Nana's.

00:06:59And he had a gun.

00:07:00He threatened her with a gun.

00:07:02It showed me what he was capable of doing.

00:07:05I think the only way she would cry from him was when he ended up going to prison.

00:07:15It was early February.

00:07:16By the looks of things, we knew he was going to get time.

00:07:18You could see he was really paranoid, really worried.

00:07:22School had seen a mark on one of his children.

00:07:25And one thing led to another.

00:07:27And he was charged with assaulting child.

00:07:30Then he got sentenced to 18 weeks in prison.

00:07:33Went off to Durham prison.

00:07:36Raul Moe and Samantha Stolbert, their relationship started when she was just 16.

00:07:41When he went into prison, she would have been 21, 22.

00:07:44And by this point, she was trying to remove herself from that relationship.

00:07:49They were in a long process of splitting up, I think.

00:07:54Raul's still trying to be part of her life.

00:07:56And she's telling him to stay away from her.

00:07:59He's just unable to accept that she doesn't want to be with him anymore.

00:08:05It was when he was in prison that she told him on the phone that she had a new boyfriend.

00:08:08A few days before he came out of prison, they had this argument on the phone, Sam and Raul.

00:08:17Samantha was saying she didn't want Raul to come around because she's got a new boyfriend.

00:08:21And Raul got angry in this phone call.

00:08:24And one of the things that he says is, it's not a case of that, man.

00:08:27It's just, you know, it hurts not seeing you, man.

00:08:31I cannot have you out of my life.

00:08:32And if you take us, if you take yourself, if you take yourself out of my life, I'm going to go crazy.

00:08:38Raul, it's not my fault.

00:08:40And to be honest with you, Raul, he's a handy fucking bloke anyway.

00:08:42And he isn't going to put up with any shit.

00:08:44Sam, I don't give a monkeys about that, Raul.

00:08:46And he's a lot younger than you.

00:08:47It doesn't matter, Sam. I'm as handy as they come, Raul.

00:08:50If you really, really hurt me with this, Raul, I'll end up going for him.

00:08:54And I don't want to.

00:08:54Well, you won't end up going for him because he'll knock you straight on your fucking arse, Raul.

00:08:58He'll not?

00:08:59Yes, he will. You'll get a shock.

00:09:01Well, who is he?

00:09:01Well, I'm not fucking telling you who he is.

00:09:03It's fuck all to do with you, that's why.

00:09:06Sam says again, he'll knock you on your arse.

00:09:10Raul says, he'll not.

00:09:12And she says he will.

00:09:13And then the call ends.

00:09:19They were telling him he wasn't getting the kids back.

00:09:21With him not having the kids, he wouldn't be having the house because he needed the kids for the house.

00:09:26Like, for the bedrooms and stuff.

00:09:27And then his business was gone because he wasn't working.

00:09:32I'd be eating him up.

00:09:33I'd be eating anybody up, really.

00:09:34One of the first things that Raul did when he got back home was go to the barber.

00:09:45He wanted a Mohican.

00:09:47And he told people in the barber shop that he'd just done a stretch and he'd probably be back in by the following day because he had arses to kick.

00:09:55He went into Newcastle City Centre, got these fishing weights, which he was going to use in shotgun cartridges.

00:10:05At some point, he'd got a tent.

00:10:07And then this plan was kicking into action.

00:10:13Carl Ness was there waiting for him in the house.

00:10:16So Nessie was a friend of Raul's, seemed in awe of Raul.

00:10:19And was someone there that Raul did use to some extent.

00:10:22Carl Ness took possession of a sawn-off shotgun and brought that back to the house.

00:10:29Raul got these fishing weights.

00:10:32He removed the shotgun pellets from the cartridges and put these fishing weights in.

00:10:39He might have wanted to cause more damage.

00:10:47Mo was told that Samantha's new boyfriend was a karate instructor.

00:10:52Carl and Raul were on the laptop, basically trying to track this guy down.

00:11:00Chris Brown was really into karate.

00:11:02He'd moved up to the northeast and he'd met Samantha and he was pretty smitten.

00:11:08Chris Brown was handing out flyers, trying to get people to come to these karate classes that he did.

00:11:16And Samantha was with her kids, agreed to kind of go to some of these classes.

00:11:22It was a very short amount of time that Christopher Brown and Samantha Stoppard knew each other.

00:11:26Chris Brown would have known about Raul Moat.

00:11:29His friends told me that he did know that Raul Moat was an abusive ex-partner of Samantha's.

00:11:36That protecting Samantha would have been his utmost priority.

00:11:40That he was a very loving person, a very caring person.

00:11:43That he treated women very well.

00:11:45Ness and Moat went out in the van.

00:11:54Looking for Christopher Brown.

00:11:58With a piece of paper, with addresses on it.

00:12:00They just happened not to find him.

00:12:08I got a phone call from a friend saying he's out.

00:12:10He's just got out of the day.

00:12:12So I rang him on his mobile and he says,

00:12:13Bruce, we can't speak on this line.

00:12:15Ring me on the landline.

00:12:16He just said, you know, how he'd been looking for a new boyfriend.

00:12:21He said, I've been told he teaches karate,

00:12:23so I've been in all the dojos around Gator, Newcastle, looking for him and I can't find him.

00:12:28I said, listen around, man, just leave it, man.

00:12:32Leave it be.

00:12:32I'll come and see you tomorrow.

00:12:34In his exact words with me, I'm just going to do him in.

00:12:37Now, do him in, normally with Raul would mean beat the living daylights out of him.

00:12:41I didn't think he was going to go out with the intention of murdering someone.

00:12:45That's a certainty, you know.

00:12:49Detail, Matt.

00:12:49And we'll start off with Northern England, where it's dry and bright.

00:12:53Some decent spells of sunshine.

00:12:54And temperatures are quite well.

00:12:55So on the Friday, Moat gets up.

00:12:58Samantha Stobart, this evening, she wants to go out for a drink with Christopher Brown.

00:13:07She's telling Raul that he needs to come and collect these dogs, his dogs, that she's been looking after.

00:13:12There's a series of phone calls, and it's just getting more and more heated.

00:13:16I think it was on one of these phone calls when Samantha said that Christopher Brown is a police officer.

00:13:22Moat had this very antagonistic relationship with the police.

00:13:35He told one of the psychiatrists that he got pulled over, I think, 180-odd times, which isn't backed up by what the police recorded.

00:13:42I went to see him once.

00:13:44In a five- or six-day period, he'd been stopped seven times by the police.

00:13:48And he was saying, Bruce, man, can you believe it?

00:13:51You know how many times I've been stopped?

00:13:53That was in his trailer or his Jeep.

00:13:54She did tell him that Chris was a police officer, but that wasn't true.

00:14:06He was a karate instructor.

00:14:07And you can imagine if you were Samantha in that situation, she might have said that because she wanted to scare him off, make him stay away.

00:14:17I don't agree with it, but it would have been rage.

00:14:21You've got an ex who you loved and put everything into, ringing you and saying, Raoul, I've met someone else.

00:14:29And by the way, he's bigger than you, he's stronger than you, and he's a copper.

00:14:35The ego's huge.

00:14:36He's made a reputation for himself within the city.

00:14:39He's well-respected.

00:14:40If anyone had a problem with him, you know, and then people say, oh, who's that Raoul?

00:14:44No one had a problem, you know, issues.

00:14:45The word would come back, oh, leave that, mate.

00:14:47Don't go there.

00:14:48You'll live to regret that if you're trying that.

00:14:51That's the reputation he had.

00:14:52So you've got to think of a man with an ego that big, hatred for the police, which he had, who'd been ongoing for a number of years, jealous, suspicious anyway.

00:15:02Now he's lost the house that he lives in.

00:15:04The business has gone, and she's telling me she's met a copper.

00:15:07You've got to put yourself in his mind.

00:15:10I can, because I knew him very well.

00:15:12I'm going to be raging on him, because I'm not interested in looking at my part in this situation.

00:15:18Someone's got to pay.

00:15:25The 2nd of July is my mum's birthday.

00:15:29Samantha and Chris had gone to my mum's.

00:15:33Nessie's doing his homework and finding out where this guy is, where they're living, what they're doing.

00:15:39Him and Carl drive down the A1 from Fennam, over the river, down past the metro centre, past the Angel of the North, to this place, Bertley.

00:15:53Carl and Mo say goodbye to each other, and Mo heads off with a shotgun.

00:16:03He kind of hides at their front window, basically.

00:16:07Listens for like an hour and 40 minutes, texting backwards and forwards with Carl Ness, who's waiting in a van nearby.

00:16:14And apparently, he'd hid behind a wall, and he had actually listened to her and this guy slag him off.

00:16:34That would have infuriated him.

00:16:36Then he's like, you know, the switch. With Raoul, there was a switch. Flick that switch, and you're going to get it. You know what I mean?

00:16:462.40am, Christopher Brown and Samantha Stobart come out of the house. Raoul has his shotgun.

00:16:54Chris Brown's instant reaction was to step in front of Samantha to protect her physically, you know, as a human barrier, so Samantha could get away.

00:17:032.40am, Christopher Brown's instant reaction.

00:17:05Mo shoots Christopher Brown in the chest.

00:17:11Christopher Brown gets away a little bit, and then Raoul shoots Christopher Brown in the neck, reloads, and shoots Christopher Brown in the head.

00:17:24Raoul goes back to the house, points the shotgun at Samantha.

00:17:28You know, she's just running into the house, screaming. And I think me mom's obviously been on the phone then, to the police.

00:17:36And then he's turned the trigger onto Samantha, and he's shot Samantha through the window.

00:17:44And she put her arm up. Like, like that. And that's obviously saved her a little bit, by putting her arm up, because the bullets then went through her arm.

00:17:53Come out of her arm, and went through her stomach.

00:18:04The paramedics come, and Samantha survives, but Christopher Brown doesn't.

00:18:07I woke up on the Saturday morning. I can't remember what time. I think it was 8, 9 o'clock.

00:18:22And I had messages after messages, missed phone calls.

00:18:26Have you seen the news? Have you seen what's happened in Berkeley?

00:18:2850 officers are involved in the hunt for Raoul Thomas Mote.

00:18:32They believe he shot his former girlfriend and her new partner in the Burtley area of Gateshead early this morning,

00:18:38after being released from prison on Thursday.

00:18:41It obviously didn't name Samantha or Chris at first, but as soon as I seen about the shooting, I knew.

00:18:49I just knew. I actually thought she was going to die.

00:18:52I really did.

00:18:54She was her little sister.

00:18:56This is 37-year-old Raoul Thomas Mote, released from prison two days ago, and now wanted for murder.

00:19:06Well, I'd been on the 12-hour night shift.

00:19:08When I woke up, there was loads of missed calls on me phone.

00:19:11It was one of Sam's sister.

00:19:15And she started screaming down the phone about what Raoul had done.

00:19:19I was expecting him to turn up at the house.

00:19:21At 20 to 3 this morning, police were called to reports of shots being fired here.

00:19:27When they arrived, they found a man's body where that forensics tent is, and a woman who was seriously injured.

00:19:33In the morning, my flatmate has shouted, Bruce, I think it's your mate on the TV here.

00:19:38And I thought, what?

00:19:40Just thinking, what the fuck have you done, man?

00:19:42And I just knew there was no coming back from this now.

00:19:44You've done it, haven't you?

00:19:45I would urge anybody who has any information about the incident or about the whereabouts of the offender to call the police immediately.

00:19:54I had just started out in journalism as a reporter.

00:19:57Two people had been shot, thought to be domestic-related.

00:20:00I spoke to quite a few people, and they were all just so shocked.

00:20:04You see, I thought I saw a body.

00:20:06When I did get there, I realised that somebody did.

00:20:09It sounds so cliche, but things like that just did not happen in that part of the world.

00:20:14Yes, there could be crime, but nothing like this.

00:20:19I went back home, and the police came and put panic buttons in my house.

00:20:25And that night, silly little children pressed the panic button, and I had loads of police just turn up out of nowhere.

00:20:34They put my weed in my house, running around us, teasers, and they told us to pack a bag.

00:20:41At the top of the hotel, it's not stopped.

00:20:45He's on a hunt.

00:20:47He's on a rampage.

00:20:48Who's next?

00:20:49That's all I kept thinking.

00:20:50Who's next?

00:20:50Raoul's driving around Newcastle.

00:21:01The police didn't know where he was.

00:21:03Whereas most of us might be stressing, panicking, full of horror at what we'd just done, that we'd killed someone, shot someone who may also be dying.

00:21:19From the material moat left behind, it seems like he was relieved.

00:21:24I think the phrase full of beans got used at one point.

00:21:27It seemed to make him feel better.

00:21:33Just after midnight, moat stopped at a petrol station and bought this SIM card.

00:21:39And at that point, moat made his first 999 call to the police.

00:21:42Hello there, this is the gunman from Berkeley last night.

00:21:47My name is Raoul Moat.

00:21:49What I'm talking about is to tell you exactly why I've done what I've done, right?

00:21:53Now, my girlfriend has been having an affair behind my back with one of your officers, this gentleman that I shot last night, the crowd, the instructor.

00:22:01I wouldn't have shot him.

00:22:02Okay.

00:22:03He's been passing with me for so many years.

00:22:06Come anywhere in the end, I'll tell you.

00:22:08I'm coming to get you.

00:22:09I'm not on the run.

00:22:10I am coming to get you.

00:22:11Because I am hunting for officers now.

00:22:17You've got a thing in his mind, he's got his revenge, right?

00:22:20He's killed her new boyfriend, so he's got his revenge, right?

00:22:24He's got her as well, he's shot her as well.

00:22:26Now he's going to go and get the others.

00:22:28Because in his mind, it was them that have ruined him.

00:22:31No fault of his, but they've ruined him and now they've got to pay.

00:22:36Me and David were born as identical twins.

00:22:42David was born two and a half minutes before I was born.

00:22:47I think that two and a half minutes just made that difference.

00:22:50He was always the older brother to me, I think.

00:22:53We were called the Terrible Twins where we were growing up, which is a place called Cote and Fields in Stafford.

00:23:02And if something was going on or wrong, we got to the stage where it was us we were to blame, even if we were inside the house.

00:23:09So to join the police force is quite a strange employment path to take.

00:23:16After a few attempts, David was finally accepted by Northumbria Police and he was ready to join the police service.

00:23:23He was beyond himself.

00:23:25He finally made it.

00:23:26He fulfilled his dream.

00:23:27David met Moat when they were doing an operation on alchemy theft, which is theft of metal.

00:23:38I think Moat was seen driving the typical transit flatbed loaded to its gunwales with all types of shit and David stopped it.

00:23:49I know Moat had his vehicle seized and I think that was one of the biggest things that pissed him off.

00:23:54The fact that he'd had his truck took off him.

00:23:56The English Bobby is renowned for their intuition, like Sherlock Holmes.

00:24:02I'm not saying David wore a deerstalker and smoked a pipe, but he had an intuition.

00:24:08When he met him, he knew that there was a risk to David's safety and he was smart enough and clever enough to realise that he needed another patrol to come and help him.

00:24:19I do recall David saying that Moat was probably, out of all his policing career, the second male that he was ever concerned about dealing with and there was only one other.

00:24:31So he was memorable to David at that particular time.

00:24:34David wasn't at work when the initial shooting with Stobbard and Chris Brown happened.

00:24:48David probably didn't remember Moat outright until he refreshed his memory and it would be, oh, I remember him.

00:24:55He was that angry, angry man.

00:24:58He got as much intelligence as he could.

00:25:02And I know David went looking for him.

00:25:06David parked up on a major thoroughfare in Newcastle.

00:25:12Moat made the threat that he was out to get police officers.

00:25:16They had a very short window to give a warning out.

00:25:20Decisions that could have made a difference weren't made.

00:25:23He wasn't warned.

00:25:25That difference could have saved David's life.

00:25:30Moat has just made this 999 call.

00:25:34So they see this police car.

00:25:37He has no idea that he's ever met the police officer who's in this car.

00:25:42He just wants to shoot a police officer.

00:25:44Moat gets out.

00:25:46He creeps up to the side of David Rathband's car and then taps the window with the gun.

00:25:53I looked up.

00:25:55And as I was looking at him, he just pointed the gun forward, sort of towards the car window.

00:26:00And then the next thing I felt was my face just explode.

00:26:08It was the noise that I heard first.

00:26:11It was as if my head was inside a tin can with the biggest ever, you know, firework that you could ever possibly imagine getting.

00:26:19And then putting your head inside and shutting the lid.

00:26:22It was just absolutely unbearable.

00:26:24I was thrown into the footwell with the force of the blast and then when I got back up to try and press the radio, whilst doing that, I covered my face for some reason with my left arm.

00:26:40Unfortunately, I'd managed to keep my hand on the microphone in the vehicle and passed a message across to the control room.

00:26:52And then seconds or minutes later, I actually heard sirens coming as I'd managed to open the driver's door and put my foot in it.

00:27:00So the interior light stayed on.

00:27:02So the interior light stayed on.

00:27:06Hello, this is Sir Roald, the Berkey gunman.

00:27:20Are you taking me serious now?

00:27:21I've just downed your office at the roundabout at the west end of Newcastle.

00:27:25Yeah.

00:27:26Yeah.

00:27:28Well, I'm going to destroy a few lasers.

00:27:29You've destroyed my...

00:27:31Simon to burn with everything I heard.

00:27:33I've got no light now.

00:27:34There's nothing to play with.

00:27:36This is what happens.

00:27:37This is what happens when you push, push, push and push.

00:27:39That's what I'm telling you now.

00:27:40I'm absolutely not going to stop.

00:27:42You're going to have to kill me.

00:27:44I'm never going to stop.

00:27:51At quarter to one this morning, a uniformed motor patrols officer was carrying out static patrol.

00:28:15He was approached by an armed man and shot.

00:28:19The injured officer is PC David Rathbound, who is 42 years old, married with two children.

00:28:30One eye was completely shut out, but he also had hundreds of pieces of shrapnel in his face.

00:28:42My brother is an inspiration not only to me, but he should be an inspiration to everybody involved in this investigation.

00:28:48He wants to thank Northumbria officers and all the other officers from across the country who have come up here to resolve this incident.

00:28:55I remember being told, just be prepared.

00:29:01He does look pretty, pretty rough.

00:29:04When I walked in, the initial feeling was, Dave's all right.

00:29:10He was in front of me.

00:29:11I could hear his voice.

00:29:12He's alive.

00:29:13So, that changed pretty quickly on when he went for an eye examination.

00:29:20I was in his room and he was asked to go off to the eye infirmary clinic.

00:29:24And then I heard him coming back up the corridor.

00:29:26It went quiet.

00:29:27And then, as I looked towards the door where he would have come in, you could see his hand, feeling a doorway.

00:29:37I broke down.

00:29:41Just realising he'd lost his sight.

00:29:45He'd lost his sight.

00:29:47He couldn't even walk through a door without reaching out.

00:29:50And I looked at him and thought, shit, he's broken.

00:29:58Probably up until that time, really, I realised that, yeah, he was my big brother.

00:30:06But I realised he was in trouble.

00:30:17Yeah, I need to stop for a sec.

00:30:19All armed officers in the region are continuing to hunt for Raoul Thomas Mote,

00:30:35with more being drafted in from across Britain.

00:30:38They don't know where this man is, how he's getting about,

00:30:42and they're appealing for anyone with information to contact them.

00:30:44They believe somebody knows where this Raoul is at the moment.

00:30:49I think the shooting of PC David Rathband took this crime to the next level.

00:30:54And there was this feeling that, oh my God, if a police officer isn't safe, how are any of us safe?

00:31:01So there was a real sense of fear.

00:31:04And it wasn't just that he'd shot this police officer.

00:31:06He'd got away, and no-one knew where he was.

00:31:09Armed officers are now on guard while a manhunt goes on across the north-east.

00:31:13The police message is simple.

00:31:15Raoul Mote is still at large and still dangerous.

00:31:19Tonight, several people on Tyneside remain under police protection.

00:31:23Raoul Mote certainly remains on the run, and the police clearly believe still in the area.

00:31:29In 2010, I was a reporter, and that's when I first heard about this story.

00:31:34When we first got there, there wasn't the sense of just how big this story was going to turn out to be.

00:31:40Pulled up on the slip road, hidden behind this barrier,

00:31:44Mote got out of the car and crept up to the traffic officer on foot.

00:31:48Obviously, the police themselves were worried that they could be the next target.

00:31:52You got a sense of just how tense the situation became.

00:31:56The police were desperate to catch him.

00:31:58Every available armed officer is deployed, searching for a killer who is armed and still at large.

00:32:12It was a normal day.

00:32:13We were playing out, and it wasn't until an auntie had rang and said,

00:32:18you need to put the news on.

00:32:19You'll take a chance to kill us.

00:32:21No, I'm here.

00:32:21I am going for officers now.

00:32:23I don't know how to describe it, but...

00:32:28It's quite daunting to hear your parents' voice for the first time on national television.

00:32:36My mother and father met before he was in a relationship with Samantha.

00:32:40I grew up wanting to know him, but he's never reached out.

00:32:45My mum used to refer my dad as Jekyll and Hyde.

00:32:48He did have a good side, a very professional side.

00:32:52And the Hyde was the monster, big brute, the controlling narcissist.

00:33:01After my father found out that my mum was pregnant,

00:33:04he had arranged for people to attack my mum because she refused to have the abortion.

00:33:09I know a friend was there, and the friend protected my mum and my zowl.

00:33:16There was days where I was walking through Kenton as a child with some friends,

00:33:21and even a few times with my mum.

00:33:24And I remember seeing Raoul.

00:33:28My mum just said, put your head down and you walk away.

00:33:30On the day of the rampage, my mum was worried that he would work his way through people to attack.

00:33:41And knowing that he went after one of his exes,

00:33:45my mum felt like she could be targeted.

00:33:49And if she was a target, I was a target.

00:33:51The police were phoned and they instantly came straight out.

00:33:58You know, it was quite scary.

00:33:59You don't know where they are, when or what can happen,

00:34:05how long it's going to go on for.

00:34:07Across this area, high-profile police operations have been underway all day.

00:34:17This raid took place in Gateshead this morning.

00:34:20Residents say a man was seen taken away by officers.

00:34:24This hasn't been confirmed by the police.

00:34:26At least two men, visibly resembling Raoul Mote,

00:34:31mistakenly arrested by armed officers.

00:34:34Police came to my house as well to see if he was at Main,

00:34:37which was a bit stupid the way they came in.

00:34:39They weren't armed, so if he was hanging behind the door with a shotgun,

00:34:43they would have been stuffed.

00:34:45So it wasn't very well planned out.

00:34:47So they were just trying to target us for being his friend.

00:34:50There were dozens of police around looking for Raoul Mote.

00:34:54And I wanted to move away from the police

00:34:56and try and get a sense of who Raoul Mote was.

00:34:59So I remember I started knocking on doors

00:35:01on an estate where people knew him.

00:35:04I think the fact that he came out of prison and found this all out

00:35:08has made all the stress he's had over the last few months

00:35:12just be too much for him.

00:35:14I think this is why this has happened.

00:35:17A couple of his friends had said that Raoul Mote

00:35:20had had a difficult upbringing

00:35:22and that this had played into his sense of self,

00:35:25a sense of masculinity,

00:35:28of his place in the world.

00:35:34I was his friend from about the age of three, four years old.

00:35:38Around that time he was just skinny,

00:35:41with a big bright ginger hair all brushed back and fluffed up.

00:35:45He used to be me and Raoul play together.

00:35:47We always used to have our Star Wars figures.

00:35:51Raoul was a nice, happy kid.

00:35:53He always lived with his gran

00:35:55and his mum was never there.

00:35:57He would have probably been about 10 years old

00:35:59when his mum came back.

00:36:00What he said, he was always getting bullied off the stepdad.

00:36:03Happiness seemed to go downhill from then.

00:36:05So he said to me that as a child

00:36:07he would be beaten for days on end,

00:36:10locked in a bedroom.

00:36:12And that's his exact words.

00:36:15Raoul was always looking for his dad

00:36:17and he was always asking his mum who it was

00:36:19and his name and everything.

00:36:21She would never tell him.

00:36:23As a child, he was probably embarrassed

00:36:25at the fact he didn't have a dad

00:36:26so he made up a story

00:36:27that his dad was French and lived in France.

00:36:31I just thought he was telling me the truth.

00:36:32Of course, if you don't have a father

00:36:36your father can be anything that you want him to be, you know.

00:36:40I was sitting in and I was listening to the news.

00:36:44This is 37-year-old Raoul Thomas Mote.

00:36:48And then I heard like three words.

00:36:52Raoul.

00:36:53Thomas.

00:36:54Mote.

00:36:55And I thought, oh my God.

00:36:59That's him.

00:37:00The son that had got away

00:37:02that I'd lost.

00:37:04I'd suddenly found.

00:37:06Anybody with any information

00:37:08contact us on this number.

00:37:10So I rang the number.

00:37:13This Raoul Thomas Mote, I said,

00:37:15I'm his father.

00:37:21I'd lived in Birmingham all my life

00:37:23and I started gravitating down to Newcastle.

00:37:26And I met this girl, Josie.

00:37:30Very pretty.

00:37:32I was a sucker for a pretty face, you know.

00:37:35We moved in together.

00:37:37We were very happy.

00:37:39And everything was hunky-dory.

00:37:42And then one day

00:37:43she said, well, I'm pregnant.

00:37:47And I thought, well, this is going to work out just fine.

00:37:50But these kind of mood swings that she was having,

00:37:55I couldn't really make sense of it

00:37:57because it was completely different

00:37:59to the way she'd behaved hitherto.

00:38:03Josie said, you've got to go.

00:38:05I don't want you to come back.

00:38:06I could never understand it.

00:38:10And I thought,

00:38:11when I was told that she had bipolar

00:38:14and it was a serious condition,

00:38:16I thought, well, why did I not see anything?

00:38:21I later spoke to her uncle.

00:38:24She was pregnant.

00:38:26And quite sensibly,

00:38:28she thought, well, what's this medication?

00:38:31What effect might it have on the baby?

00:38:33It might not be good.

00:38:34And she stopped taking it.

00:38:37I went to see a solicitor.

00:38:40And I said, what rights do I have?

00:38:42He said, you don't have any.

00:38:44He said, you can't be a father to him

00:38:45if she doesn't want you to be.

00:38:47He said, you're not married to her.

00:38:50I thought, I'll speak to my father.

00:38:52He will know what to do.

00:38:54He said, he will come to you.

00:38:56Now, if you approach him before he's ready,

00:39:02you could lose him forever.

00:39:05And I deeply regret that.

00:39:07I didn't.

00:39:09I don't think Raoul had a template

00:39:12as to how a man should be.

00:39:14My template probably was my father.

00:39:17Armed officers are taking part

00:39:19in the extensive search.

00:39:21He obviously must have thought,

00:39:22well, my father just cleared off.

00:39:24So he felt unloved.

00:39:25And I think he went through life

00:39:28with this weighing on him.

00:39:32The search for moat continued overnight,

00:39:42with police also protecting those thought to be at risk.

00:39:45Other forces from as far away as South Yorkshire

00:39:47are helping in the operation.

00:39:49At this point,

00:39:52there are armed officers

00:39:52from six different police forces.

00:39:55This operation was huge already.

00:39:57Breaking news just a short time ago

00:39:59is that the police have revealed

00:40:01that they are looking for a specific car

00:40:04which is wanted in connection

00:40:06with a number of shootings.

00:40:08They've released details of that car

00:40:11just a short time ago.

00:40:12It's a black Lexus.

00:40:13So the police told us

00:40:16that they were looking for a car,

00:40:18a black car,

00:40:19and they gave us a number plate.

00:40:20And they thought that

00:40:21that's how Raoul Moat was getting around.

00:40:25There were all sorts of theories.

00:40:27Some people said that he'd got on a plane.

00:40:30He'd flown off to another country.

00:40:32Some people say

00:40:33he might have headed for the ports.

00:40:35We kept hearing rumours

00:40:36about him popping up in different places.

00:40:38So the police were spread very thin.

00:40:40And I remember thinking,

00:40:44where is this man?

00:40:46Where has he gone?

00:40:58From very early on,

00:41:00we were all pretty convinced

00:41:02that Raoul Moat was getting help.

00:41:04And so then it was,

00:41:05who are the people

00:41:06that have been helping him?

00:41:08Raoul and Ness

00:41:10and their other friend,

00:41:11Karam Awan,

00:41:12had set up this four-man tent

00:41:15that they got from B&Q

00:41:16in this discreet spot.

00:41:19Awan was this guy

00:41:20who I don't think Raoul really knew very much.

00:41:24Moat was the dominant person.

00:41:26He was controlling what was happening.

00:41:28And then I guess

00:41:29Carl Ness was the next in line,

00:41:31but very subservient.

00:41:33Awan was younger as well,

00:41:35in his 20s.

00:41:36So he was kind of like doing what he was told

00:41:38and I'm not really sure what he thought

00:41:40what the outcome was going to be

00:41:41other than very, very bad.

00:41:45Raoul would send Ness and Awan

00:41:47on shopping trips to the supermarket,

00:41:49go and get all this food.

00:41:50Go to Argos to get dictaphone tapes,

00:41:54get the newspapers,

00:41:54things like this.

00:41:56The plan was Ness and Awan

00:41:58were going to pretend

00:41:59that they were hostages.

00:42:00Both Carl Ness and Karamawan

00:42:02wrote letters to their families

00:42:05saying that they'd been taken hostage.

00:42:08And Karamawan wrote a letter to his sister,

00:42:11basically saying,

00:42:12not to worry,

00:42:13I'm safer than safe.

00:42:14This is going to make me my fortune.

00:42:17Burn this letter.

00:42:18But she didn't burn it.

00:42:20Raoul starts to write,

00:42:22I think 40 odd pages,

00:42:24explaining what he did,

00:42:26why he did it,

00:42:27and then lots of stuff

00:42:28about Samantha as well.

00:42:30Last night,

00:42:31I declared war on Northumbria police

00:42:33before shooting an officer.

00:42:35They're going to pay for

00:42:36what they've done to me and Sam.

00:42:38All my life, I'd wanted death.

00:42:40Now I wanted life,

00:42:41and I wanted it with Sam.

00:42:44I'm still chomping my jaw

00:42:45like I'm in ecstasy.

00:42:46I thought it was the medication,

00:42:48but I've been offered

00:42:48since I came out.

00:42:51It feels like I'm watching a film,

00:42:53not real at all.

00:42:54I guess I've finally lost it.

00:42:57We know Raoul

00:42:59went to see a GP in 2006

00:43:02and was referred to a psychiatrist.

00:43:06So he reported

00:43:07he felt guilty about things,

00:43:09about his family situation,

00:43:10and he had fleeting thoughts of suicide.

00:43:13He'd lost three stones

00:43:14in one and a half years,

00:43:15currently weighed 17 stone.

00:43:17He reported crying a lot in the past.

00:43:19He reported being paranoid.

00:43:20He had these CCTV cameras

00:43:22around his house.

00:43:23He worried that people thought

00:43:24he was a soft touch,

00:43:25that people used to work

00:43:26on the doors with.

00:43:26He felt like he needed to look hard.

00:43:30I would like to have

00:43:31a psychiatrist, psychologist,

00:43:33have a word with me regularly,

00:43:35on a regular basis,

00:43:36to see if there's somewhere

00:43:37underlying, like, where,

00:43:39you know, a problem

00:43:40that I haven't seen.

00:43:41You know, it's easy for me

00:43:42to say I don't do anything wrong,

00:43:43but I would like a professional,

00:43:45you know, not a DIY thing,

00:43:46you know, a professional thing,

00:43:47for someone to come along

00:43:48and say, look,

00:43:49there's area for improvement here.

00:43:50This is a problem.

00:43:52I think he wanted a diagnosis.

00:43:54He wanted some kind of a solution

00:43:55to his problems, I think.

00:43:58I don't think it's unreasonable

00:43:59for us to want to understand ourselves

00:44:01and try and stop being

00:44:04a problem for ourselves.

00:44:05Spend some money in trying

00:44:06to get this family back together

00:44:07instead of splitting it up,

00:44:08you know.

00:44:09So the psychiatrist referred him

00:44:10to go and have psychotherapy.

00:44:12The psychotherapist sent him

00:44:13this form,

00:44:14which was a self-assessment,

00:44:16which is a 17-page form.

00:44:18So when it asks him

00:44:19how he is, he writes,

00:44:21I feel tired, anxious,

00:44:23isolated, helpless, angry.

00:44:25But he just gets kind of annoyed

00:44:27with this form.

00:44:28So it asks about

00:44:29his personal relationship

00:44:30and he writes,

00:44:31and this is all in block capitals,

00:44:34look, I'm now really pissed off

00:44:35because these questions

00:44:36should be discussed in person,

00:44:37away from my missus and kids

00:44:39so they don't have to see me

00:44:40wound up about things

00:44:41I choose not to think about.

00:44:42I can express myself

00:44:44better in person

00:44:44and see this is totally

00:44:45dismissive and uncaring.

00:44:47I was about to chuck

00:44:48these forms in the bin

00:44:49but wrote this

00:44:50because I need the help.

00:44:52It's going to take an effort

00:44:53for me to do all this

00:44:54so contact me

00:44:54and I'll discuss

00:44:55whatever you want.

00:44:56I do not wish to discuss

00:44:57my life with paper.

00:44:59They received it

00:45:00and they gave an appointment

00:45:02to him.

00:45:03He didn't turn up

00:45:04for that appointment.

00:45:04They wrote back saying

00:45:05we don't usually give

00:45:06a second appointment

00:45:07but we'll try

00:45:08because we know

00:45:08it's been difficult for you

00:45:09so here's another appointment.

00:45:11He didn't show up

00:45:11for that appointment either.

00:45:12He couldn't live life

00:45:16on life's terms.

00:45:18You see when you

00:45:19grow up with childhood trauma

00:45:20it's like it opens up

00:45:23a gateway

00:45:23you know

00:45:24a doorway

00:45:25to more chaos

00:45:27and that's where

00:45:28the drug taking comes in.

00:45:29It was all about

00:45:30escape wasn't it?

00:45:31That's why we did

00:45:32the things we did.

00:45:34I do know he started

00:45:35sniffing coke at some point

00:45:36I can't remember

00:45:36much of that

00:45:37but he very quickly

00:45:39went from sniffing

00:45:40to crack

00:45:40do you know what I mean?

00:45:41That was his

00:45:42drug of choice.

00:45:44It was an absolute nightmare

00:45:45with Raoul

00:45:46because if paranoia

00:45:47was something else

00:45:47I'd be sitting in his flat

00:45:49and he'd had cameras

00:45:50on the stairs

00:45:50cameras outside

00:45:51and I'd have to

00:45:53watch the camera

00:45:54and the moment

00:45:55he's going to smoke

00:45:56the pipe

00:45:57because he was convinced

00:45:58the police were coming

00:45:59for him

00:45:59someone's going to come

00:46:00up them stairs right now

00:46:01you've got to watch

00:46:02for them coming

00:46:02while I take my pipe

00:46:03that's how bad it was.

00:46:05We used to have a laughing

00:46:06joke about it right Raoul

00:46:07I'm not taking

00:46:07I'm not taking any

00:46:08I'm not smoking that

00:46:09with you anymore

00:46:10because you look for

00:46:11coppers in the cupboards

00:46:12you're looking in the teapot

00:46:13and under the kettle

00:46:14and everywhere

00:46:14do you know

00:46:15under the cups

00:46:16because that's how it was

00:46:19he was paranoid

00:46:20really paranoid

00:46:21he had a microphone

00:46:23in the bus stop

00:46:24on the main road

00:46:26where he lived

00:46:26so he could hear

00:46:27what people were talking

00:46:28about in that bus stop

00:46:30that's how bad it was.

00:46:37there had been some rumours

00:46:42circulating

00:46:42that a takeaway

00:46:44had been held up

00:46:46by a man

00:46:46that looked like

00:46:47Raoul Moat

00:46:47on the Monday evening

00:46:48but we kept hearing

00:46:50all sorts of rumours

00:46:52about Raoul Moat's

00:46:53been spotted here

00:46:54Raoul Moat's been spotted there

00:46:55so it was on Tuesday morning

00:46:57when I got a call

00:46:58from my editor

00:46:58saying a black Lexus

00:47:00had been spotted

00:47:01in Rothbury

00:47:02and the police

00:47:03descended on Rothbury

00:47:05Rothbury is where I'm from

00:47:06that's where I grew up

00:47:08as I was driving over

00:47:13you go from being

00:47:15within a city

00:47:16very quickly

00:47:17to being in very

00:47:18dense countryside

00:47:19there's caves here

00:47:21there's a very

00:47:22dense forest here

00:47:23I was thinking

00:47:25god if he's here

00:47:26it actually would be

00:47:26a really good place

00:47:27to hide

00:47:28armed police

00:47:29moved from building

00:47:30to building

00:47:30farm to farm

00:47:31after they found

00:47:32his getaway car

00:47:33this morning

00:47:34it was a huge story

00:47:35at the time

00:47:36in the normally

00:47:37tranquil countryside

00:47:38of Northumberland

00:47:39scores of armed police

00:47:41have been stalking a killer

00:47:43everywhere you looked

00:47:44it was on TV

00:47:45it was on the radio

00:47:45it was in all of the newspapers

00:47:47police have helicopter

00:47:48mounted thermal imaging

00:47:50equipment

00:47:50should Mr Moat

00:47:51be hiding in woods

00:47:53or waiting for night

00:47:54to fall

00:47:54the newspapers knew

00:47:56that people were interested

00:47:57and so they were doing

00:47:58page after page

00:47:59after page

00:48:00he was being compared

00:48:01to the character

00:48:02in the Martin Scorsese film

00:48:03Taxi Driver

00:48:04he was called

00:48:05the Moeican murderer

00:48:06because of his haircut

00:48:07but they were also

00:48:09bigging up his survival skills

00:48:10I remember when they found

00:48:11his tent and his sleeping bag

00:48:13they called it a lair

00:48:14when it was just a tent

00:48:15and a sleeping bag

00:48:16this picture of him

00:48:17being built up

00:48:18that he would be able

00:48:19to survive for weeks

00:48:20that he was some sort

00:48:21of Rambo figure

00:48:22I think there were

00:48:24stereotypes about Raul Moat

00:48:26and the sort of

00:48:27subculture on his estate

00:48:28you had gym culture

00:48:30the fact that he used steroids

00:48:31the fact that he was a bodybuilder

00:48:33all of these elements

00:48:34I think combined

00:48:35to make it a huge story

00:48:37well he was very different

00:48:43you know when he was young

00:48:44back in them days

00:48:46he was skinny

00:48:46he was tall and skinny

00:48:48I would say he came across

00:48:49as really shy as well

00:48:51and we both started

00:48:52going to the gym

00:48:53when you haven't got a dad

00:48:57you're looking for

00:48:58like someone

00:48:59to guide you

00:48:59a little bit

00:49:00on the man's side

00:49:01so a lot of the people

00:49:02that I know

00:49:02go to the gym

00:49:03and train

00:49:04that's it

00:49:06going Raul

00:49:07it's looking really good

00:49:08tries it

00:49:10huge

00:49:11go on

00:49:13that's it

00:49:14that's it

00:49:14come on

00:49:15you can do it

00:49:15come on

00:49:16that's it

00:49:17oh shit

00:49:17it feels like

00:49:20as an adult man

00:49:21he really wanted to

00:49:22leave behind

00:49:24the young

00:49:25insecure

00:49:26naive

00:49:28boy

00:49:29and become this

00:49:30larger than life

00:49:31man

00:49:32so I think it was

00:49:40mirroring what he was

00:49:41seeing in his society

00:49:42emulating men

00:49:44that he looked up to

00:49:45he did

00:49:47respect

00:49:48the

00:49:49bigger lads in town

00:49:51the head doorman

00:49:52the ones that had the power

00:49:54the ones that could make the moves

00:49:56and yeah

00:49:57he wanted to be like them

00:49:58and so did a lot of other people

00:50:00I met Raul

00:50:02through a friend of mine

00:50:03didn't look

00:50:04confident to me

00:50:05he says he wanted size

00:50:07he wanted to get big

00:50:08so he gave me the money

00:50:09and so I gave him the gear

00:50:10he did well off that

00:50:11because then I'd seen him

00:50:12about six weeks afterwards

00:50:13and he had put on weight

00:50:15and then he wanted more

00:50:17220 kilo

00:50:18Christ

00:50:19it's only 36 stone

00:50:23something like that

00:50:23Christ

00:50:24you do feel

00:50:28bigger

00:50:29you feel stronger

00:50:30it gives you more confidence

00:50:33you feel better about yourself

00:50:35it is like a feeling of having

00:50:39armour on you

00:50:40but he didn't feel

00:50:43he was that man

00:50:44who he had in his mind

00:50:46he was like a scared

00:50:49lost soul really

00:50:50all are now involved

00:50:52in the search

00:50:53for one fugitive

00:50:54on steroids

00:50:55himself bearing a gun

00:50:56and a grudge

00:50:57all the media was trying to make

00:51:00on that he was a big bad doorman

00:51:02where he hadn't been a doorman

00:51:03for quite a while

00:51:05he was a tree surgeon

00:51:06but a tree surgeon doesn't sound

00:51:08as nasty as a doorman

00:51:10and then they're trying to play on

00:51:12he's taking steroids

00:51:14for the gym

00:51:15and everything else

00:51:15where he hadn't been taking steroids

00:51:16for years

00:51:17so it wasn't a steroid rage

00:51:19or anything else

00:51:20it was just depression

00:51:21and stress

00:51:22you have to ask

00:51:23whether he had been

00:51:24from a different social class

00:51:26or he'd been from down south

00:51:27from London for example

00:51:28whether he would have been

00:51:30written about in the same way

00:51:31Kramowan and Carl Ness

00:51:41were walking along a country road

00:51:42the police pounced on them

00:51:46intelligence led us to conduct

00:51:48an operation

00:51:49during which we arrested

00:51:51two men

00:51:52on suspicion

00:51:54of conspiracy

00:51:55to commit murder

00:51:56it became apparent

00:51:59that Raul Moat

00:52:00was actually a lot closer

00:52:01to home

00:52:02than some of the rumours

00:52:03had suggested

00:52:03it turns out

00:52:06the police had found

00:52:07a sleeping bag

00:52:08and a tent there

00:52:09and the car

00:52:10had been found nearby

00:52:11after that Raul Moat

00:52:14was on his own

00:52:14he didn't have

00:52:15any survival gear

00:52:17with him

00:52:17we understand

00:52:18he had abandoned

00:52:19his tent

00:52:20and his sleeping bag

00:52:21he'd run off

00:52:22into the woods

00:52:23trying to run away

00:52:24from the police

00:52:25it wasn't a coincidence

00:52:28that Moat

00:52:30went to Rossbury

00:52:30to hide out

00:52:31it was a place

00:52:32that he'd gone

00:52:32throughout his childhood

00:52:33he used to go there

00:52:36with his brother Angus

00:52:37they'd kind of mess around

00:52:39go on adventures

00:52:39and things like this

00:52:40he used to go there

00:52:41on holiday

00:52:42and stay in a caravan

00:52:44go fishing

00:52:44around there

00:52:45he wanted to

00:52:47live in the countryside

00:52:48with Sam

00:52:49and the kids

00:52:50he wanted

00:52:51he wanted his own farm

00:52:52he wanted to live

00:52:54off the land

00:52:54and be self-sufficient

00:52:55that was his dream

00:52:58a £10,000 reward

00:53:06as the Northumberland gunman

00:53:07stays one step

00:53:08ahead of the police

00:53:10hello there

00:53:11tonight

00:53:14extra officers

00:53:15and resources

00:53:16have been brought in

00:53:17from as far away

00:53:18as Northern Ireland

00:53:19Mr Moat

00:53:21I've said it before

00:53:23and I will say it again

00:53:25we want to apprehend you

00:53:29safely

00:53:30please give yourself up

00:53:33on Wednesday the 7th

00:53:38it felt as if

00:53:39things got more intense

00:53:40the police operation

00:53:42got bigger

00:53:43there were something like

00:53:45160 armed officers

00:53:47from across the country

00:53:48so police forces

00:53:49as far as Manchester

00:53:50Yorkshire

00:53:51the Met

00:53:52down in London

00:53:52they had all sent

00:53:53armed officers up

00:53:54for this manhunt

00:53:56there was an RAF jet

00:54:01with thermal imaging

00:54:02on board

00:54:03sometimes you'd be

00:54:04walking along

00:54:05I remember in the countryside

00:54:06and you'd sort of

00:54:07see a glint of something

00:54:08and you'd realise

00:54:09it was a sniper rifle

00:54:10I mean these guys

00:54:12were absolutely everywhere

00:54:13and it was surreal

00:54:15we hadn't seen anything

00:54:16like that before

00:54:16on the streets

00:54:17of this country

00:54:18yesterday the town

00:54:19was shut down

00:54:20and there was a search

00:54:21on a very specific area

00:54:22down by the river

00:54:23today there's been

00:54:24a much wider search area

00:54:26searching up on the hills

00:54:27with specialist firearms

00:54:28office surrounding

00:54:29the woodlands

00:54:30the more focus was on the police

00:54:38the more criticism of the police

00:54:39was coming out

00:54:40you know

00:54:40why hadn't they caught him yet

00:54:42have they got any idea

00:54:43where he is

00:54:44I remember

00:54:44that there were incidents happening

00:54:46that suggested

00:54:48they had missed opportunities

00:54:49a farmer had reported

00:54:51seeing smoke

00:54:52in his field

00:54:53the police had been

00:54:54very slow to respond

00:54:55and it turns out later

00:54:56that that may have been

00:54:57where our moat had been camping

00:54:58come on show yourself

00:55:00our police

00:55:02this house was broken into

00:55:04on Tuesday night

00:55:05police responded

00:55:06but didn't watch the property afterwards

00:55:08and it was then broken into again

00:55:10this time somebody appeared to have slept

00:55:12in the spare bed

00:55:13and the family are too scared to return

00:55:15I am disappointed

00:55:17that we haven't located Mr Moat yet

00:55:19and I'm sure

00:55:19all of the public

00:55:20hold that view

00:55:21there is no one trying harder than me

00:55:24and the entire resource

00:55:26you know

00:55:27allocated to this matter

00:55:28I had spoken to people in Rothbury

00:55:33people around Gateshead

00:55:35and I remember there were

00:55:37mixed views about the police

00:55:38so obviously people supported the police

00:55:41people wanted them to catch trial moat

00:55:43they were horrified by the brutal shootings

00:55:46they were in close contact with us

00:55:47all day yesterday

00:55:48they did advise us to keep the children

00:55:50in through break times and lunch times

00:55:52which we did

00:55:52I just hope he's long gone by now

00:55:55but obviously there are a lot of woods

00:55:57and caves and things around here

00:55:58where he could be hiding

00:55:59but there were some people

00:56:01who were almost willing

00:56:03Raul Moat to outfox the police

00:56:05so people on his estate

00:56:06wanted him

00:56:07to outmanoeuvre the police

00:56:09they were willing him on

00:56:10in my estate itself

00:56:13people were not fans of the police

00:56:15they didn't like them at all

00:56:16when you live in a council estate

00:56:18you see a lot of police stuff

00:56:20I don't know

00:56:21there was a hatred towards them

00:56:22you know

00:56:22because they

00:56:23you've got nothing

00:56:25and when you do get something

00:56:26they're trying to come

00:56:27and scare you

00:56:27you're probably going to get

00:56:28a lot of good coppers

00:56:29but you always remember

00:56:31the bad more than the good

00:56:32this was a community that felt

00:56:35that they didn't have

00:56:36a lot of opportunities

00:56:37that they would often be

00:56:38arrested by the police

00:56:40they felt

00:56:41for no reason at all

00:56:42so historically

00:56:43they had always felt

00:56:44that it was them

00:56:45against the police

00:56:46and that Raul Moat

00:56:47was standing up

00:56:48against the police

00:56:49you know

00:56:51they were saying

00:56:52good on him

00:56:52despite all these resources

00:56:54all these police everywhere

00:56:56they still can't catch him

00:56:58there were comparisons

00:56:59with Robin Hood

00:57:00so the myth of Raul Moat

00:57:01was growing

00:57:02for every lie

00:57:10I see in the paper

00:57:11or any paper

00:57:12I'm going to kill

00:57:14an innocent member

00:57:14of the public

00:57:15right

00:57:15while Raul Moat

00:57:17was camped out

00:57:19near a farm

00:57:19on the outskirts

00:57:20of Rothbury

00:57:21he recorded

00:57:22hours of

00:57:23feelings

00:57:24on a dictaphone

00:57:26I want to let you know

00:57:27which lie

00:57:28has pissed me off

00:57:29right

00:57:29and I want each person

00:57:31that you told this lie

00:57:31to go on a lie detector

00:57:33right

00:57:33and that is my rules

00:57:35and if you don't do this

00:57:36right

00:57:36if you don't comply

00:57:37I'm just going to

00:57:38continue killing people

00:57:39it's as simple as that

00:57:41what started as anger

00:57:44towards his ex-girlfriend

00:57:47and the police

00:57:48then widened

00:57:50to the media

00:57:51information

00:57:53has now emerged

00:57:55that Mr Moat

00:57:56has made threats

00:57:58towards the wider public

00:58:00the pressure to find Raul Moat

00:58:02grows day by day

00:58:03especially given his latest

00:58:05disturbing communication

00:58:06with police

00:58:07well that's alarming

00:58:08you know it was quite

00:58:10anxiety provoking

00:58:12if that was to be honest

00:58:14up until now

00:58:17police had said

00:58:18that Raul Moat's grievances

00:58:19were directed

00:58:20at specific targets

00:58:22but now that detectives say

00:58:24there may be a threat

00:58:25to the wider public

00:58:26the public simply want to know

00:58:28what does that mean

00:58:29I remember going into that meeting

00:58:31and it was a really

00:58:32quite a tense atmosphere

00:58:33we the police

00:58:35want to be part of

00:58:36your community as well

00:58:37and I didn't want to

00:58:38cause you concern

00:58:39people had so many questions

00:58:42they were on edge

00:58:43they were nervous

00:58:43this is a very quiet village

00:58:46and now

00:58:48all of a sudden

00:58:49everything has changed

00:58:51so initially

00:58:53there was a media blackout

00:58:54and we were told

00:58:55not to report anything

00:58:56until the police

00:58:57gave us the go ahead

00:58:58one of the interesting things

00:59:02about Raul Moat

00:59:03was that

00:59:03it was obvious that Moat

00:59:04was following

00:59:05the media coverage

00:59:06about himself

00:59:07and it was important

00:59:09to Raul Moat

00:59:09what people thought of him

00:59:11and so with the media blackout

00:59:13he had managed to control

00:59:14the narrative

00:59:14around his story

00:59:16if you don't need to come to

00:59:18Rothbury

00:59:19don't come to Rothbury

00:59:20if you live in Rothbury

00:59:22then go about your business

00:59:23as usual

00:59:23but don't take unnecessary risk

00:59:26and please be vigilant

00:59:27there was apparently a hit list

00:59:31who he was going to next

00:59:33I was moved

00:59:36from one hotel

00:59:38to another

00:59:39because I had been recognised

00:59:40and I think that's when

00:59:43the full city became on edge

00:59:44David actually had a thought

00:59:48that he was being targeted

00:59:50he was scared

00:59:51he had asked for

00:59:53firearms officers

00:59:54to be sent to his house

00:59:56to protect his family

00:59:57because he was that paranoid

00:59:59David knew that he could kill

01:00:02a lot more people

01:00:03it worked you think

01:00:07is he going to circle back

01:00:08come back to Newcastle

01:00:09is he going to shoot someone else

01:00:11so I remember

01:00:13getting a phone call

01:00:13of someone

01:00:14quite a big name

01:00:16in the town as well

01:00:16that says

01:00:17just letting you know

01:00:18he's got a list

01:00:18so I remember

01:00:19at the time

01:00:20I was on £10 an hour man

01:00:21and they

01:00:21they bring the shotgun

01:00:23and they go

01:00:23Mick

01:00:23if he turns up the front door

01:00:25you'll distract him

01:00:26at the front door

01:00:26and then if he went

01:00:27in the strip

01:00:28as he went down the stairs

01:00:29out the back

01:00:29they took you up

01:00:30at the car park

01:00:31at Dean Street

01:00:32he went

01:00:32I'll come all the way around there

01:00:33and I'll get him

01:00:35you know

01:00:35from the side

01:00:36I went

01:00:37are you stupid

01:00:38I said

01:00:38I'm on £10 an hour man

01:00:39I said

01:00:40if he comes

01:00:41in the front door

01:00:41with a gun

01:00:41I said

01:00:42I'm on the back

01:00:42I'll be away

01:00:43it's half past one

01:00:51in the morning

01:00:51and this search

01:00:52has been going on now

01:00:53for a number of hours

01:00:54the helicopter

01:00:55has been focused

01:00:56on the building

01:00:57behind me

01:00:57for around half an hour

01:00:58and the area

01:00:59is now surrounded

01:01:00by armed officers

01:01:01and officers

01:01:02with search dogs

01:01:03I don't think anyone

01:01:05knows where he was staying

01:01:06somewhere amongst trees

01:01:10amongst bushes

01:01:10with no tent

01:01:14or anything like that

01:01:15just out in the elements

01:01:16reports that he'd gone

01:01:19into some gardens

01:01:20around there

01:01:20and got vegetables

01:01:21from people's gardens

01:01:22tomatoes and things

01:01:23I've never seen

01:01:25any evidence of that

01:01:26so I don't think

01:01:27he was really eating

01:01:28he is tired

01:01:33and depleted

01:01:35and resigned I think

01:01:38can everyone just

01:02:02please move back

01:02:03in the light

01:02:03for your own safety

01:02:04it was the Friday evening

01:02:07I was staying

01:02:09with my mum

01:02:09at this point

01:02:10in a town

01:02:10about 20 minutes

01:02:11away from Rothbury

01:02:12and suddenly

01:02:13I heard four

01:02:14police car sirens

01:02:16go off

01:02:17and I was like

01:02:17they found him

01:02:18they found him

01:02:19they found him

01:02:20my phone rang

01:02:20and it was my editor

01:02:21and he was like

01:02:22get to Rothbury now

01:02:23well it's just gone

01:02:24eight o'clock

01:02:25and Northumbria police

01:02:26have just revealed

01:02:27that they are negotiating

01:02:28with a man

01:02:29who fits the description

01:02:30of Raoul Moat

01:02:32the police didn't know

01:02:33where he was

01:02:33until a member

01:02:35of the public

01:02:35was walking along

01:02:36the bank of the river

01:02:37came face to face

01:02:39with him

01:02:39the police came along

01:02:41armed officers

01:02:41told him to put his

01:02:43weapon down

01:02:43and instead of

01:02:44putting his weapon down

01:02:45Moat pointed his

01:02:47shotgun at his own head

01:02:48and that was the start

01:02:51of six hours

01:02:52of this police standoff

01:02:53there's 20 armed officers

01:02:56pointing their weapons

01:02:57at Mr Moat

01:02:58unfortunately he's got

01:02:59the shotgun facing

01:03:00underneath his head

01:03:01the coverage of the standoff

01:03:03was huge

01:03:04there was great concern

01:03:05for public safety

01:03:06for the safety of the press

01:03:07we've been moved back

01:03:08to 150, 200 yards away

01:03:10from the scene

01:03:12news bulletins

01:03:13led with the story

01:03:14they threw out

01:03:15their running orders

01:03:15and they just focused

01:03:17on that standoff

01:03:18this was the moment

01:03:20that everybody

01:03:20had been waiting for

01:03:21and it looked as if

01:03:22the police had cornered

01:03:23Raoul Moat

01:03:24Raoul had walked

01:03:27into the town

01:03:28and it appeared to me

01:03:30he'd come into town

01:03:31to die

01:03:32and I thought

01:03:33now is the time

01:03:34I've got to be there

01:03:36I'd spoken to the police

01:03:38how can I get up there

01:03:40as quickly as possible

01:03:41you know

01:03:42I said

01:03:42can you send a helicopter

01:03:43or something

01:03:44and I said

01:03:46look

01:03:46do you want to arrest him

01:03:49or do you want to arrest

01:03:50a corpse

01:03:50he's not going to

01:03:52surrender to you

01:03:53but he could surrender

01:03:54to his father

01:03:55and he said

01:03:57we're going to deal

01:03:58with it in another way

01:03:59I felt exactly

01:04:01as I did

01:04:01in 1972 and 73

01:04:05completely powerless

01:04:07I was actually at home

01:04:18and we were following

01:04:20it on the TV

01:04:21some news channel

01:04:22was covering it

01:04:22live

01:04:23the police are within

01:04:2420 feet of him

01:04:26trying to negotiate

01:04:27his surrender

01:04:28I've tried phoning the police

01:04:29and I said

01:04:30listen I've known him for years

01:04:31please can I come up there

01:04:32and talk

01:04:32at that point

01:04:34I wanted to try

01:04:35and get there

01:04:35to try and get him

01:04:36to surrender

01:04:37because I didn't want him

01:04:38ultimately to pull that trigger

01:04:40on himself

01:04:41so I wanted that opportunity

01:04:42to try and help

01:04:43but they just didn't want to know

01:04:45from this angle

01:04:46we filmed the critical

01:04:47in a group

01:04:48you can see the taser

01:04:50at the left

01:04:50I was sat with my family

01:04:52we're all sitting in the living room

01:04:54there was my mum

01:04:56my stepdad

01:04:57I was very anxious

01:04:59I barely spoke to anybody

01:05:00the final outer ring

01:05:02controlling road access

01:05:04and keeping back the public

01:05:05and the media

01:05:06or attempting to

01:05:08in the latter case

01:05:09in the middle of this

01:05:13really tense standoff

01:05:14we heard that

01:05:16Gaza had turned up

01:05:17Paul Gascoigne

01:05:18the footballer

01:05:19with a chicken

01:05:20a fishing rod

01:05:21and a zub lager

01:05:22and afterwards

01:05:23Paul Gascoigne said

01:05:24in interviews

01:05:24that he'd been drinking

01:05:25he'd been on drugs

01:05:26and he'd been watching

01:05:28the 24 hour news coverage

01:05:30about Raoul Moat

01:05:31he thought he knew Moatie

01:05:32it turns out he didn't

01:05:33and he just got in a taxi

01:05:35and came to the scene

01:05:36I think

01:05:37the idea of celebrities

01:05:39turning up

01:05:39added to the sort of myth

01:05:41around Raoul Moat

01:05:42someone who was

01:05:47trying to get a license

01:05:48to a new kind of taser

01:05:50arrived

01:05:51they couldn't get close enough

01:05:52to do a normal taser

01:05:53they thought these shotgun tasers

01:05:54were able to disable him

01:05:55from a distance

01:05:56when it eventually comes

01:05:58to him talking

01:05:59to the negotiator

01:06:00it comes across very much

01:06:02that he's no longer

01:06:03got any rage in him

01:06:04he was still focused

01:06:06on the same things

01:06:08that had preoccupied him

01:06:09all this time

01:06:09like the police

01:06:10Samantha

01:06:12as well as mental health

01:06:13he's still trying to understand

01:06:15what was wrong with him

01:06:16and he says

01:06:17nobody can tell us

01:06:18what's the matter with us

01:06:19we're still looking for it

01:06:20at that point

01:06:20surrounded by armed police

01:06:22nobody will tell us

01:06:23what's the matter with us

01:06:24doesn't matter how he came across in those letters

01:06:30or what he said

01:06:31to the public

01:06:32about threats

01:06:33this that and the other

01:06:33he was in a lot of pain

01:06:35there would have been

01:06:36a lot of remorse

01:06:37guilt

01:06:37shame

01:06:38but it's too late

01:06:39they are clearly talking to Mr Moat

01:06:42and the fact that a friend of his

01:06:43has now arrived

01:06:44indicates the way in which

01:06:45those negotiations

01:06:46are being conducted

01:06:47I got in my car

01:06:48and I drove up to Rothbury

01:06:50from my house

01:06:51then when I got there

01:06:52I got up to a cordon

01:06:53and they wouldn't let us

01:06:54through the cordon

01:06:55and they were radioed down to the

01:06:56like further down the line

01:06:58but then the police car

01:07:00come up

01:07:00and put me into the back

01:07:01of the police car

01:07:02and took us down towards the cordon

01:07:04and then put a blanket over us

01:07:06and then took us to the police station

01:07:08to lock us up

01:07:09for a bit of a fugitive

01:07:11from even just driving up there

01:07:13to see if I could talk to him

01:07:15and bring him out

01:07:16as the sun set

01:07:20it got colder

01:07:21then started to rain

01:07:22for six hours

01:07:25as the light faded

01:07:26the negotiators worked on

01:07:28armed officers surrounding them

01:07:30and Moat

01:07:31there was a certain point

01:07:33in the standoff

01:07:34when the negotiator confirmed

01:07:36to Moat

01:07:37that Christopher Brown

01:07:38wasn't a police officer

01:07:39and he says

01:07:41I know what you said before

01:07:42that all you wanted

01:07:43was a straightener for this lad

01:07:44but you do know

01:07:45he wasn't a police officer

01:07:46don't you

01:07:47and Moat

01:07:49so seemingly at this point

01:07:51he still didn't really know

01:07:52so Moat says

01:07:54is that the truth

01:07:55and then he tells

01:07:57Moat that he was

01:07:59a karate instructor

01:08:00and Moat says

01:08:02is that all he was

01:08:03and then

01:08:05there must have been

01:08:06something in body language

01:08:07or something

01:08:07which concerned the negotiator

01:08:09because the negotiator says

01:08:10listen Raoul

01:08:11look at me

01:08:11look at me Raoul

01:08:12Raoul Raoul

01:08:13Raoul

01:08:13mistakes happen

01:08:14you acted on the

01:08:15information you were given

01:08:16by someone who you love

01:08:17what we learnt afterwards

01:08:21was that Raoul Moat

01:08:22had spoken a lot

01:08:23about his family

01:08:24when the negotiators

01:08:27were talking to him

01:08:28he actually said

01:08:29one thing that sticks in my mind

01:08:30is I haven't got a dad

01:08:32he said

01:08:33and he also said

01:08:34that nobody cares about me

01:08:36he was damaged

01:08:38he was mentally unwell

01:08:40he still had feelings

01:08:41like every other person

01:08:43you know

01:08:43he wanted a father

01:08:45he wanted a family

01:08:46he wanted love

01:08:47he missed it

01:08:48he craved it

01:08:49he didn't have love

01:08:50in his life

01:08:50he never had it as a child

01:08:52he wanted to know

01:08:53everything's going to be okay

01:08:54and he wanted to know

01:08:55there were people

01:08:55that cared about him

01:08:56they weren't able to get him

01:08:57and they were there

01:08:58and they're going to help him

01:08:59in contrast to

01:09:04all of the stories

01:09:05that had been written about him

01:09:06the way that he'd been portrayed

01:09:08the way that some people

01:09:10had mythologised him

01:09:11in the end

01:09:12it came down to him

01:09:14on that riverbank

01:09:15with a gun pointed at his head

01:09:17surrounded by police

01:09:18feeling that

01:09:19nobody cared for him

01:09:21that he had nothing to live for

01:09:22at some point

01:09:24what they said was

01:09:25Moat

01:09:26looked like he was about

01:09:27to shoot himself

01:09:28they fired these

01:09:29shotgun tasers

01:09:31one of them missed

01:09:33one of them hit him

01:09:35but it didn't work

01:09:36and at this point

01:09:37Moat shot himself in the head

01:09:39go for it

01:09:44go for it

01:09:46go for it

01:09:49go for it

01:09:50I was watching it

01:09:58on the television

01:10:00I heard a very loud bang

01:10:02and I thought

01:10:04heard somebody saying

01:10:05get the gun

01:10:06and at that moment

01:10:08I thought well

01:10:09if he's got a gun

01:10:10pointed at his head

01:10:11that's unsurvivable

01:10:15you can't describe

01:10:16how that feels

01:10:18you know

01:10:19to watch your son

01:10:20die

01:10:21on television

01:10:22and

01:10:24quite frankly

01:10:26if I hadn't woken up

01:10:27the next

01:10:27if I'd have had a stroke

01:10:28in the night

01:10:29or something

01:10:29I would have regarded

01:10:32it as a blessing

01:10:32I really would

01:10:34I didn't want to wake up

01:10:35the next day

01:10:36I just remember

01:10:37hearing that gunshot

01:10:38and

01:10:40everybody in the room

01:10:42just looks at me

01:10:43looks at my mum

01:10:44looks back at me

01:10:45I remember

01:10:47all the adults in the room

01:10:48they like rushed around me

01:10:49cuddled me

01:10:50and they're like

01:10:50I hope you're okay

01:10:51but it wasn't until

01:10:53after that fact

01:10:54that I started feeling

01:10:55lost

01:10:57and hurt

01:10:58we can confirm

01:10:59that a shot

01:11:00or shots

01:11:01have been fired

01:11:02and it's believed

01:11:04the suspect

01:11:05has a gunshot wound

01:11:06I couldn't process

01:11:07what had happened

01:11:08you know

01:11:09that I lost him

01:11:10in the way I lost him

01:11:11and that he did what he did

01:11:12and now the world hates him

01:11:14none of them fully understand him

01:11:16nobody wants to understand him

01:11:19they just think he's a monster

01:11:20he was this

01:11:21he was that

01:11:21but I suppressed those feelings

01:11:24taking substances

01:11:25so that got me through that

01:11:27but inevitably a year later

01:11:29I had a breakdown

01:11:30the emergency services came to the scene

01:11:42took Ramak to hospital

01:11:45and he was pronounced dead

01:11:48in hospital

01:11:49it still hadn't sunk in

01:11:53that he was there

01:11:54that he'd been shot

01:11:55even when I went

01:11:59I went to the mortuary

01:12:00to see him

01:12:00and when I was in there

01:12:02it just didn't even feel real

01:12:04he's got a bandage

01:12:05on his head

01:12:06to cover the gunshot

01:12:08and when I went in

01:12:10he was lying there

01:12:11and he'd tell you

01:12:13how much weight

01:12:13he'd lost

01:12:14I think he was down

01:12:16to about 15 stone

01:12:17or 14 stone

01:12:18or something

01:12:18you could see

01:12:19he was like drawn in

01:12:20so he was starving away

01:12:22and I took my Star Wars figure

01:12:27that I had of his

01:12:28for about 30 years

01:12:32or something

01:12:33and I gave him that back

01:12:35and then we left him

01:12:37I went up for the funeral

01:12:49and I went into the church

01:12:52I couldn't believe it

01:12:55it was packed

01:12:56and people started coming up to me

01:13:00I was told

01:13:02when he got to 18 years of age

01:13:05he demanded to know

01:13:07who his father was

01:13:09and his mother wouldn't

01:13:11tell him anything

01:13:12I got this in my mind

01:13:14wait for him to come to you

01:13:16and it never occurred to me

01:13:18that he couldn't

01:13:18but if I'd have contacted him

01:13:21when he was 18

01:13:22I think I could have turned

01:13:24his life around

01:13:24it never happened

01:13:27and that was a massive mistake

01:13:31probably the biggest of my life

01:13:33there was so much

01:13:36that could have been done better

01:13:38in terms of how

01:13:39that tragedy unfolded

01:13:41and was covered

01:13:42particularly by the media

01:13:43and this sort of

01:13:45Robin Hood legend

01:13:46that sadly formed

01:13:47particularly in the wake of his death

01:13:49I do remember in the media

01:13:53all his supporters

01:13:55that thought he was a hero

01:13:57wanted to turn up at his funeral

01:13:58on like on the Facebook pages

01:14:00and things like that

01:14:02saying they never knew Roe

01:14:03but they wanted to come to his funeral

01:14:05to support him

01:14:06it was crazy

01:14:08I really feel that he was persecuted by the police

01:14:12and he didn't deserve what he got

01:14:15I do think that he's a legend

01:14:17and a hero

01:14:19in a funny sort of way

01:14:22there were definite people

01:14:24who connected to his anger

01:14:26and his rage

01:14:27and conveniently forgot about

01:14:30some of the horrendous things that he did

01:14:32but they could see

01:14:33oh I get why he's angry

01:14:35because I am too

01:14:36in the days afterwards

01:14:38there were just bouquets of flowers

01:14:41and letters and notes

01:14:42saying he didn't deserve it

01:14:44and you know

01:14:45the police were to blame

01:14:46and I just thought

01:14:49I wonder how many flowers there were

01:14:51for Chris Brown

01:14:52I remember seeing Chris's family

01:14:55speaking after his death

01:14:56I couldn't stop crying

01:14:58I really couldn't stop crying

01:15:00I've got a pain in my chest

01:15:02and it hasn't gone yet

01:15:03it's still there

01:15:07Chris was someone's son

01:15:10someone's brother

01:15:12someone's father

01:15:13and that was all taken away

01:15:17social media was horrible

01:15:20there was loads of people blaming Samantha

01:15:23the two-file Chris is dead

01:15:25no one can make you do anything

01:15:27if you don't want to do it

01:15:29Samantha was a true victim

01:15:31at that point

01:15:32it takes a long time

01:15:34to break free

01:15:34from those types of toxic

01:15:36dangerous relationships

01:15:37and she was probably doing

01:15:39what she thought was best for her

01:15:40and for her child

01:15:41nothing justified

01:15:42what he then went on to do

01:15:44I was at the trial

01:15:55for Nessa Nguyen

01:15:57which was in Newcastle Crown Court

01:15:59in 2011

01:16:00we watched all the footage

01:16:02and we listened to their stories

01:16:04about how they were

01:16:05being held hostage

01:16:06the defence was trying to say

01:16:08that they were scared by moat

01:16:09so we're just going to do anything

01:16:11that he said

01:16:11you could just see in their behaviour

01:16:14on CCTV footage

01:16:16they weren't scared

01:16:17Carl Ness broke down

01:16:20and started to sob

01:16:21and Karam Awan

01:16:22appeared to faint

01:16:23as they were convicted

01:16:24of helping one of the most

01:16:26notorious gunmen

01:16:27the country has ever seen

01:16:29they were both convicted

01:16:30of conspiracy to murder

01:16:31and they were also charged

01:16:33with firearms offences

01:16:34Ness was given 40 years

01:16:36and Awan was given 20 years

01:16:38I remember being in court that day

01:16:41when the sentences were handed down

01:16:42and a lot of people felt

01:16:43that justice had somehow been done

01:16:46and that even though Raul Moat

01:16:49had killed himself

01:16:49before he could get justice

01:16:51that his accomplices

01:16:52had got what they deserved

01:16:53when the sentences were announced

01:16:58I was a similar age to Carl Ness

01:17:00and I remember thinking

01:17:02wow

01:17:02that is a massive sentence

01:17:05but it was a reflection

01:17:07of the gravity

01:17:08of the situation

01:17:09that

01:17:10even though he hadn't

01:17:12pulled the trigger

01:17:13without him

01:17:14Raul Moat

01:17:15couldn't have done

01:17:16what he did

01:17:16these two individuals

01:17:18have been convicted

01:17:19and have continued

01:17:21to lie throughout

01:17:22so they will now

01:17:23both go to prison

01:17:25as convicted criminals

01:17:26and both liars

01:17:28and I'm extremely pleased

01:17:30with that

01:17:30I have a lifetime to live

01:17:32and they have a lifetime

01:17:33to reflect

01:17:34after I found out

01:17:36David was blind

01:17:37I said look

01:17:38I want to start a charity

01:17:39because when he gets out

01:17:41he's going to need something

01:17:42and by the time

01:17:44David had gone out

01:17:44very shortly after

01:17:45PC David Rathbun's

01:17:47Blue Lamp Foundation

01:17:49had been created

01:17:50he raised thousands of pounds

01:17:53for injured service personnel

01:17:56it drove David

01:17:57and he was busy

01:17:59and do you know what

01:18:00while you're busy

01:18:01you're not thinking about

01:18:02where you should be

01:18:04what you've lost

01:18:05what you want

01:18:06very shortly after

01:18:08he started training

01:18:09for the marathon

01:18:10he trained in his garage

01:18:13on a treadmill

01:18:14well done

01:18:15he ran a marathon

01:18:16blind

01:18:18he then won

01:18:19Pride of Britain

01:18:20he had a purpose

01:18:21and that went on for some time

01:18:23when there's a massive story

01:18:26everyone wants to talk to you

01:18:27and then suddenly

01:18:29the stories move on

01:18:30everyone up camps

01:18:32and leaves

01:18:33and you're left behind

01:18:34with what's remained

01:18:35and I really felt like

01:18:38that was kind of what happened

01:18:39with him

01:18:40and he was left

01:18:41with the harsh reality

01:18:42of what had been done to him

01:18:43and with that change

01:18:45came the realisation

01:18:47that that blackness

01:18:49was going to stay black

01:18:51when I wake up in the morning

01:18:53the first thing I see

01:19:04is darkness

01:19:05and it's not very nice

01:19:09but it again

01:19:10it's I either pull my socks up

01:19:12and get on with the day

01:19:13or I shrink and sit in front

01:19:16of the television

01:19:17and listen to the radio

01:19:18I'm not prepared to do that

01:19:19he had nightmares

01:19:21he had visions

01:19:22he had all the symptoms

01:19:24of somebody suffering PTSD

01:19:26anxiety

01:19:27shortness of breath

01:19:28increased heart rate

01:19:29he said that he had visits from him

01:19:31it was that

01:19:33that real

01:19:34that he wouldn't be able

01:19:35to get to sleep again

01:19:36when David was shot

01:19:40hundreds of pieces of

01:19:41shrapnel

01:19:42stayed in his face

01:19:44he was in constant pain

01:19:46I still have

01:19:48hundreds of pieces

01:19:49of what he did to me

01:19:51and I want them out

01:19:52do you think you'll see a day

01:19:54where you've picked

01:19:55the last piece out

01:19:56no

01:19:56you don't

01:19:57no

01:19:58I think I'll go to the grave with him

01:19:59it was heartbreaking

01:20:01to think what

01:20:03David Rathband

01:20:04must have gone through

01:20:05in the months and years

01:20:06after he got shot

01:20:08David Rathband

01:20:09had wanted to go back

01:20:10to policing

01:20:10but couldn't

01:20:11that his marriage broke down

01:20:13that he was struggling

01:20:14the last time I saw my brother

01:20:17was in my

01:20:18garage

01:20:20that was under the house

01:20:22before he drives off

01:20:24he tells me what he's

01:20:25he needs for me to do

01:20:26look after his kids

01:20:28and then I said

01:20:30I don't need this conversation

01:20:31no

01:20:31nothing's going to happen to me

01:20:33and when he drives off

01:20:34and tells me

01:20:35that he loves me

01:20:36and I tell him

01:20:38he's been

01:20:38he is the best

01:20:39big brother

01:20:40anybody could have

01:20:45and his reply was

01:20:52I love you Darren

01:20:53you are

01:20:55also

01:20:57the best brother

01:20:59I was at work

01:21:25remember I had two files in my hand

01:21:27and my phone goes

01:21:30a supervisor

01:21:30came on the line

01:21:31and said Darren

01:21:32I'm sorry to tell you

01:21:33David's hung himself

01:21:35he's deceased

01:21:35he's dead

01:21:36so that was

01:21:38that

01:21:39I dropped

01:21:42dropped the files

01:21:43on the floor

01:21:46and then wailed

01:21:49in an office

01:21:54with about 15 people in

01:21:59wailed like a baby

01:22:00and them

01:22:03crawled under a desk

01:22:07yeah that's what happened

01:22:10yeah

01:22:11I remember that quite vividly actually

01:22:15and just

01:22:16wailed

01:22:18wailed

01:22:19every day

01:22:24grief puts on

01:22:26a new face

01:22:27my brother said to me

01:22:31you're a good brother

01:22:33I say to my brother

01:22:35you were a great brother

01:22:37it's time to take my brother

01:22:40home

01:22:41my brother

01:22:46was my

01:22:47admiration

01:22:48I wanted to be just like him

01:22:51losing him

01:22:53I'm not who I was before

01:22:56I turn

01:23:00the sun's in my face

01:23:02and I look behind

01:23:02there's no shadow

01:23:03you're missing something

01:23:04too long man

01:23:12too long

01:23:13I think

01:23:14the testament to my brother

01:23:16is

01:23:1715 years on

01:23:18people

01:23:20still remember

01:23:21his generosity

01:23:23his empathy

01:23:24and compassion

01:23:26when you look at how people

01:23:30deal with

01:23:31their

01:23:32pain

01:23:32the perpetrator

01:23:34came out of prison

01:23:35and decided to

01:23:36go and shoot people

01:23:37you know what

01:23:38David got shot

01:23:39and decided to run a charity

01:23:40surely we all have

01:23:42a moral compass

01:23:43that tells us

01:23:44what's right and wrong

01:23:45and he's remained

01:23:47pointing in the right direction

01:23:50it is absolutely clear

01:23:56that Raoul Moot

01:23:57was a callous murderer

01:23:59full stop

01:24:00end of story

01:24:01and I cannot understand

01:24:03any wave

01:24:04however small

01:24:05of public sympathy

01:24:06for this man

01:24:07there should be sympathy

01:24:08for his victims

01:24:08and for the havoc

01:24:09he wreaked in that community

01:24:11there should be no sympathy

01:24:12for him

01:24:12what I was trying to do

01:24:15when I was writing the book

01:24:15about Raoul Moot

01:24:16was try and explore

01:24:18the difficulties

01:24:19Moot had experienced

01:24:21and times when he may have

01:24:23been failed

01:24:24see if there were any

01:24:25he died without knowing

01:24:27what was wrong with his brain

01:24:30but when you go through

01:24:32his history

01:24:33people tried to help him

01:24:35and other than some

01:24:37mistakes

01:24:38which you can see

01:24:39were made

01:24:39you still chose

01:24:41to shoot Christopher Brown

01:24:43Samantha Stobart

01:24:44David Rathband

01:24:45and that was a decision

01:24:48you made

01:24:49the only person

01:24:50who was responsible

01:24:52for what happened

01:24:52was Raoul

01:24:53I had a shit childhood

01:24:56and I hadn't turned

01:24:57into such a bad person

01:24:58but Raoul

01:25:01I think it affected him more

01:25:03like I got help

01:25:04I don't think that Raoul Moot

01:25:08was a monster

01:25:09I think that's way too simplistic

01:25:11I think it's really important

01:25:12to understand

01:25:13why he did

01:25:15these terrible things

01:25:16but I do also think

01:25:18that has excused

01:25:20his behaviour

01:25:21and then

01:25:22by a result

01:25:25put blame

01:25:26at the door

01:25:27of his victims

01:25:28which I feel

01:25:30very uncomfortable about

01:25:31so

01:25:32I think

01:25:33you can't lose sight

01:25:35of that

01:25:35while you're trying

01:25:36to understand him

01:25:37you can't ever

01:25:38justify what he did

01:25:40I will never

01:25:48forgive

01:25:49what my dad did

01:25:50it made me think

01:25:55very negatively

01:25:56about myself

01:25:57for a very long time

01:25:58all I can see

01:26:03is that moment

01:26:04when he was lying there

01:26:06surrounded by police

01:26:07it just feels like a dream

01:26:09it's only been more recently

01:26:12that I look in the mirror

01:26:13and I respect who I am

01:26:14there are similarities

01:26:16between

01:26:17what happened with my father

01:26:19and his father

01:26:20myself

01:26:21my father

01:26:22it seems like

01:26:24it's repeating history

01:26:27I can't do anything now

01:26:30for Raoul

01:26:31I think I can

01:26:32bring comfort

01:26:33to his children

01:26:35Peter's had a very positive

01:26:37impact on my life

01:26:38he just stepped forward

01:26:41and was like

01:26:41I'm Raoul's father

01:26:43because he never had a relationship

01:26:45with his own son

01:26:45we've built our own bridges together

01:26:48two of his children

01:26:52have children

01:26:53I see a boy

01:26:56who is

01:26:56eight years old

01:26:58and he seems happy

01:26:59and hopefully

01:27:00they'll have a better chance

01:27:03than Raoul ever had

01:27:04understanding

01:27:05of her

01:27:07that's what

01:27:28I think

01:27:30that's what

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