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00:00Okay, so I need to know everything about Sally.
00:04Who is Sally first?
00:06Well, okay, sorry.
00:08I don't...
00:09Is Sally...
00:10Okay, anyway.
00:12There's nobody named Sally.
00:15Okay, okay, okay, okay.
00:22Alright, so let's talk about Sally.
00:24I want to know everything.
00:26So how did the song come to be,
00:27but then how and when did you decide,
00:31I'm going to bring out a Sally with me at all of these shows?
00:36That's kind of how we first met.
00:38That is, yeah.
00:39I guess the song came about because we were...
00:41I was in deluxe mode and writing those songs,
00:46and I brought in this girl, Annika Bennett,
00:50who's an amazing artist but also songwriter,
00:53and I wanted her to come do backing vocals on another song of mine,
00:56thinking that was going to take, like, hours.
00:58It took 10 minutes,
01:00and so we were just kind of sitting there,
01:02and we were like,
01:03should we make a song just for fun and, like, mess around?
01:07And that song was born.
01:08And then as far as, like, bringing Sally's out...
01:11Who was the first?
01:12Well, so we put out the deluxe,
01:17and then a week later I started my U.S. tour,
01:20and the first two shows I just performed the song normally,
01:25and then we got to Dallas,
01:28and there was some weird joke online
01:30that Sally was about Jake Shane,
01:34and so I was like, he happened to be in Dallas,
01:36and I was like,
01:36do you want to come out for the song
01:38and just, like, play into this, I guess,
01:40and just dance around?
01:41And people loved it,
01:47and then it just kind of sparked a thing
01:50where I was like,
01:51this would be fun to do
01:52with someone from the crowd
01:53every night.
01:56Okay, who's been your favorite Sally?
02:00Miss Maria.
02:01It's always cool to just, like, meet someone for the first time
02:12in front of a crowd of people,
02:16but I was really happy you didn't, did it,
02:18and I didn't think you actually would, so...
02:19Very happy as well.
02:20Oh, thank you.
02:21Thanks for inviting me to do that.
02:22And I met the band boys after.
02:24Yeah.
02:24They're so nice.
02:26They're very sweet.
02:27They feel like,
02:28it feels like you have a lot of just, like,
02:30brothers around you that...
02:32Yeah, they're the best.
02:33...are very protective.
02:33It was cool.
02:34They are.
02:35It's very cute.
02:35They take really good care of me on tour.
02:37They're the sweetest, sweetest...
02:39Josh, Eddie, and Jesse are just the sweetest.
02:43I love that.
02:44They are like my brothers.
02:45Wait, I have a question about that.
02:47Okay.
02:48I don't know if I...
02:49It's public that you dated Josh?
02:53Yeah.
02:53Okay.
02:54If you got through a breakup,
02:55or when you went through a breakup,
02:58how quickly are you, like...
03:01Your pen starts going, like...
03:03Yeah.
03:04Is it immediate?
03:05Are you, like...
03:06It's not immediate because I think in the immediacy,
03:09I just go into fight or flight.
03:12I just go into, like, survival mode of,
03:15okay, I need to get over this breakup.
03:17I need to figure out who I am outside of this breakup.
03:20So it just goes into, like, you know,
03:24quote, unquote, like, self-work
03:26and, like, self-exploration.
03:28And then I think, at least that's how it was,
03:30you know, kind of before writing Submarine.
03:34I needed time to, like, process.
03:37Yeah.
03:38And then once I took the time to process everything,
03:41like, process my emotions
03:43and talking to my therapist
03:44and doing all these things,
03:46then I was able to better, like...
03:50Yeah, like, hone in on, like, how I was feeling
03:52and then I put what I learned
03:56and how I processed it into the music.
03:58I agree.
03:59How's your process?
04:00Kind of the same thing.
04:01I think I remember trying to make it immediate,
04:05just as, like, something to do with my days all of a sudden.
04:09I was like, let me go do this.
04:11And then it just wasn't clear.
04:14And so I, like, stepped back for a couple months,
04:18recovered whatever, explored everything,
04:23and, like, found some, like, freedom and whatever.
04:27It was kind of like a...
04:30It was a cool experience.
04:30I had not...
04:31Cool experience is crazy.
04:33But it was, like, a new experience for me
04:35that was super harsh,
04:39like, ground shattering,
04:41and then there's, like, this period where...
04:43I don't know.
04:44There's, like, a silver lining.
04:46And I made friends for the first time in L.A.
04:49because of it.
04:50And, like, sometimes when you're in a relationship,
04:53no matter how great it is or not,
04:56it can be kind of, like, a haze,
04:59and then it ends in that haze list.
05:02And all of a sudden, you're like,
05:03oh, I haven't been texting these friends back.
05:06I haven't been, like, talking to my mom as much.
05:09I haven't gone home in, like, two months.
05:10Like, there's good things that come from it.
05:14And I think once I started to find those,
05:16I was like, I wanted to kind of grab the pen
05:19and start talking once things were organized, I guess.
05:24Do you ever ask yourself, like,
05:29or censor what you're writing
05:30because you know that they might hear the songs?
05:34Because...
05:34I don't, but it's, like, my personality, like, I should.
05:39Like, I feel like I'm the type of person
05:42that would do that,
05:43but in the moment, I do not think about that.
05:46Or after the fact.
05:47So you've written the song,
05:48and then you're like,
05:50oh, this person might hear this song.
05:54I might change a thing or two, or do you...
05:58No, I think at that point,
05:59I'll have, I'll be so, like, attached to a song or something
06:02that I'm like, this is just what happens.
06:05This is, like, a part of, I guess, making music.
06:08It's like, you might hurt someone's feelings maybe
06:13or whatever, but it's, like, you are,
06:16it's your perspective.
06:17Do you censor yourself?
06:18No.
06:20I mean, yeah.
06:21No, I think there are times that I'm like,
06:26I probably should,
06:30but I, yeah, to your point,
06:32I get attached to, like,
06:34what was written in that moment,
06:35and it's something that I felt like I needed to say.
06:39And so, yeah, I, I, I, yeah, I don't...
06:45But, like, being in the room,
06:48making music with the person that you're in a relationship,
06:51I can't imagine.
06:52But, but Josh is so,
06:54he's such a great collaborator
06:56because he never asks, like,
06:59he's never asked me,
07:00is this song about me?
07:02Is this song about someone else?
07:04Is this a song about your past?
07:06Like, he's always given me the freedom to write how,
07:10like, whoever I want to write about
07:12and however I want to write
07:13without giving me that sort of, like,
07:16without questioning too much.
07:17Because I think if he questioned me too much,
07:19then I would censor myself
07:21in order to not hurt him.
07:24But I think he,
07:27I don't know, he's very strong.
07:30He's a really, he's a really good guy.
07:31And I think both of us do put music
07:34as, like, number one in our lives.
07:36And I think he knows that
07:38I can't censor,
07:39or I can't question what she's talking about
07:42because I don't want her to censor it.
07:44Because at the end of the day,
07:45it's, like, about the music.
07:47So, yeah,
07:48Josh is an amazing collaborator for that.
07:52Yeah.
07:53Makes me want to hug him.
07:54Yeah.
07:54He's a good guy.
07:55He's a really good guy.
07:56There have been moments,
07:58there have been moments,
07:59don't get me wrong,
08:00that we'll be done with a song
08:01and then we'll, like, look at each other
08:03and just kind of be, like...
08:05Really?
08:06There's, like, a little tension?
08:07There's a little tension.
08:09There's a little tension.
08:10I can't imagine there wouldn't be,
08:11like, from time to time.
08:13That's as far as it goes.
08:14That's amazing.
08:15It doesn't go anywhere past
08:16the sort of, like,
08:18uh-oh.
08:18That's great.
08:19What did you just say?
08:20That's, like, best case scenario.
08:21Yeah.
08:21I have other questions.
08:22Okay.
08:22Who's going to do it first?
08:23Okay.
08:24You've talked about, like,
08:26acid, doing acid,
08:28while making music.
08:30Yes.
08:30Which I'm, like, fascinated by
08:32and I just want to know
08:33what that's like
08:34because I'm too scared
08:35of most drugs to do them.
08:38Because your music is very, like,
08:40drug and do...
08:40Like, it puts you in that...
08:42Like, I need...
08:43That's all I need.
08:44Like, I don't need to go
08:45do acid or nothing.
08:46I can just put on the Marias.
08:48Is she all that you want?
08:56Is she all that you need?
08:59Not for radio.
09:00That's a compliment.
09:02And it's amazing.
09:02Like, to make someone feel like
09:04they're, you know,
09:05floating like that is incredible.
09:07We've written songs, like,
09:09microdosing on mushrooms
09:10and then we've written songs, like,
09:12on acid where we had
09:13an engineer with us
09:15because usually Josh will engineer
09:16everything for the Marias,
09:17but we were like,
09:18let's just get somebody to engineer
09:20so that you don't have to do that
09:21while you're tripping
09:22and then see what happens.
09:24And we didn't really like
09:26anything that we made
09:28when we were tripping
09:29and making music.
09:30I think our favorite thing
09:32is making the music
09:34and then tripping
09:35and listening back
09:36because you can really hear, like,
09:39so many layers
09:41and, like, the tones
09:43and the textures
09:44when you're tripping.
09:45Like, one of my favorite things
09:46to do when I'm tripping
09:48is listening to music
09:49on headphones
09:50and then I'll, like,
09:51pull out, like, my notebook
09:53and make, like, a diagram
09:54of all the sounds
09:55that I hear.
09:56What tripping helps me do
09:58is, like, get really
09:59in the moment
10:00and experiencing nature
10:03in a different way.
10:05Outside of the studio.
10:06Yeah, outside of the studio
10:07and then bringing,
10:09sort of, like,
10:10my observations
10:10observations
10:11or, like, the,
10:13how it's, like,
10:13opened my mind
10:15into the studio.
10:17I love that.
10:18That seems more
10:20achievable for me
10:21if I were to ever
10:22do it outside of the studio
10:25and then just come in
10:25and talk about it.
10:26Yes, yes.
10:27Interesting.
10:27If I ever do it,
10:28would you be my guide
10:29in the studio?
10:30I would love to.
10:30I would love to do that.
10:31Would you be fanning me
10:32while I'm on my phone
10:33writing lyrics?
10:34You won't be on your phone.
10:36Trust me,
10:36you won't even want
10:37to look at your phone.
10:38I love it.
10:38You'll look at your phone
10:39and be like,
10:39no, no, no.
10:40No.
10:40No.
10:48So, you started
10:50the solo project,
10:51not for radio.
10:53When did you,
10:53first of all,
10:53when did you know
10:54you were going to do that?
10:55I don't,
10:56we were actually in Mexico.
10:58We were playing some shows
10:59with the Marias
11:00and, I don't know,
11:02I was like,
11:03I think I,
11:04I think I want to get really,
11:06like,
11:07put myself
11:07in a really uncomfortable
11:08situation
11:09and try to make music
11:11outside of the band
11:14and I think I want to go
11:16somewhere really cold
11:17and snowy
11:19and maybe upstate New York
11:21and...
11:22Did you say that out loud
11:23or were these different?
11:23It was all thoughts.
11:24It was all thoughts.
11:25Yeah,
11:25and so my friend Sam Evian
11:27has a studio cabin
11:30upstate,
11:31in upstate New York
11:31that he, like,
11:32built with his own,
11:33like, hands.
11:35And then my friend Luca,
11:36who I worked on
11:39No One Noticed with,
11:41I was like,
11:42what if we,
11:43what if the three of us,
11:44like,
11:45went to Sam's cabin
11:46in upstate New York
11:47in the dead of winter
11:48while it's snowing
11:49and then just, like,
11:50see what happens
11:51with no expectations
11:53and that's what we did.
11:55Do you feel like
11:56being in that, like,
11:57new environment
11:58helped create, like,
11:59a different sound
12:01because it is different
12:02than the Marias?
12:03Yeah.
12:03It's, like, cohesive
12:04but it's for sure different.
12:05Yeah,
12:06yeah,
12:07I think getting a,
12:09you know,
12:09I had made music
12:11with the Marias
12:11in L.A.
12:12for so long
12:13and I just wanted
12:15to put myself,
12:17and I'm an island girlie,
12:18I'm from Puerto Rico,
12:19like,
12:20I love the warmth
12:21and I wanted,
12:23you know,
12:23intentionally to
12:24be uncomfortable
12:26and see what would happen
12:28from that discomfort
12:29and so,
12:30yeah,
12:30I was like,
12:31I want to go somewhere
12:31really, really cold
12:32and
12:34I love that.
12:35change,
12:36change my environment,
12:38change, like,
12:39Were you uncomfortable?
12:40I was very uncomfortable
12:41but I was very comfortable
12:42in the,
12:43in the,
12:44in the discomfort.
12:45Yes.
12:45Yeah.
12:46What about you?
12:47Like,
12:47does your environment
12:48dictate the music
12:50that you make
12:50and have you made it
12:51in different
12:52Yeah.
12:54climates and environments?
12:56I think so.
12:56I've found that the people
12:57matter the most
13:00and then,
13:01like,
13:01the environment
13:02for sure
13:03helps.
13:06I think being in New York
13:07helps sometimes
13:09just because,
13:10like,
13:10you're walking
13:11to the studio,
13:12you're walking around
13:13all day,
13:13you,
13:13see things.
13:15Whereas in L.A.,
13:16like,
13:17the day
13:18I have a studio session,
13:19and, like,
13:20say it starts at 1 p.m.,
13:22I'm in my home
13:24the whole morning
13:26leading up to that
13:27so there's,
13:27like,
13:27no real experiences
13:29aside from driving
13:30to the studio
13:30and walking in.
13:31Mm-hmm.
13:33So I like getting out
13:34of that,
13:35like,
13:36cycle that
13:36I sometimes get stuck
13:38in in L.A.
13:38Mm-hmm.
13:39Where do you want
13:39to write your next album?
13:41I started it.
13:41Have you,
13:42yeah.
13:42I've started it here,
13:44or no,
13:44not here,
13:45we're not in L.A.
13:45I started it in L.A.
13:47Actually,
13:47Jack Ananoff
13:48has, like,
13:49a studio there,
13:50a new studio,
13:52Tamron,
13:52and it's...
13:53It's the sister studio
13:54to Electric Lady.
13:55That's what I've heard.
13:56Yeah.
13:56I didn't know if it was
13:57sister or cousin
13:58or what it was,
13:58but it's...
13:59In the family.
14:00It's in the family,
14:01and it was incredible.
14:03It's, like,
14:04we started it there
14:05and, like,
14:06two weeks
14:07made more progress
14:08than...
14:10Wow.
14:11I made in, like,
14:12a year
14:12on the last project,
14:13so it was, like,
14:15it's fun.
14:15I feel inspired.
14:16I'm sure I'll hit
14:17a wall here soon
14:18where I'm gonna be, like,
14:19all right,
14:20let's go to, like,
14:20upstate New York
14:21or do something different,
14:22but...
14:23Go to Maine.
14:24Or go to Maine.
14:25I don't know
14:26if there's studios there.
14:27I'll have to check, but...
14:28You can take your...
14:29Take your rig.
14:30Set it up somewhere.
14:32Set it up a little hut.
14:33Yeah.
14:34Yeah.
14:35Do you have a concept
14:36for your next album,
14:37or how...
14:39Do you just start writing,
14:40or do you have something
14:40in mind,
14:41and then,
14:43you're like,
14:43I want it to sound
14:44a certain way.
14:44I want it to have,
14:47you know,
14:47this aesthetic sort of world,
14:49and then you go in
14:49to write it,
14:50or do you just
14:51start writing,
14:52and then...
14:53That happened.
14:54I...
14:54I wasn't writing
14:56for a while.
14:56I was literally
14:57just, like,
14:58I know what I want
14:59it to sound like,
15:00and I know what I want
15:01it to look like,
15:02and so, like,
15:03while I was stuck
15:04on what I wanted
15:05to talk about,
15:06I made a folder
15:08on my phone
15:08of just, like,
15:09mood board stuff,
15:10visuals,
15:12and then I made
15:14a playlist of just
15:15very, like,
15:17precisely what I wanted
15:18everything to sound like
15:19and take little things from.
15:22Mm-hmm.
15:22So that was really nice,
15:24and then as soon as
15:25inspiration hit
15:26for, like,
15:26writing,
15:27and what I wanted
15:28to talk about,
15:28I think that's why
15:30it was, like,
15:31quicker.
15:31I wasn't throwing
15:32paint at the wall,
15:33really.
15:33Mm-hmm.
15:34It was nice.
15:35Yeah.
15:35Do you do that?
15:36I feel like you're
15:36a big mood boarder.
15:38Yeah.
15:38I feel like you're
15:39a Pinterest girl.
15:40I am.
15:41I am.
15:42I'm still a Tumblr
15:43girly, too.
15:44That's, yeah.
15:45There's some good, like,
15:47there's some good stuff
15:47on there still.
15:48Of course.
15:49I like to see everything,
15:51I think,
15:51before going into
15:53the studio.
15:53I've done it both ways,
15:55but I think I prefer
15:56kind of what you just
15:57mentioned, like,
15:58going in with the
16:00visual ideas
16:01and, like,
16:02how you want it to sound
16:03and what textures
16:04you want in the music
16:05and, yeah,
16:07going in with,
16:08like, an intention
16:08and, yeah,
16:12and then I think
16:13it comes together
16:14more cohesively
16:15and I think
16:18in a good way
16:19gives you, like,
16:20bounds to work within
16:21because I think
16:22if it was, like,
16:23boundless,
16:24then you're just,
16:25I feel like,
16:27yeah, I don't know,
16:27throwing paint to the wall
16:29without really, like,
16:30knowing, you know,
16:31but if you give yourself
16:32some sort of, like,
16:34parameters to work
16:35within,
16:36then you're, like,
16:36more focused.
16:38I agree.
16:38I think,
16:40yeah, that's exactly it.
16:41I think I'm just
16:42learning that now.
16:44Wait, on the note
16:45of Tumblr,
16:46Pinterest,
16:47everything,
16:49I feel like,
16:50I don't even know,
16:51maybe this ends
16:51in a question,
16:52it's more of a compliment,
16:53but I feel like you
16:54are, like,
16:54the brand,
16:55like,
16:56a branding,
16:58like, dream,
16:59like,
16:59and it seems intentional
17:01and I feel like
17:01it all comes
17:02from your brain,
17:03but, like,
17:03from the music,
17:05to everything,
17:06like,
17:06you post
17:07and aesthetically
17:08and everything you wear
17:09and, like,
17:10the cover art,
17:12I could see someone
17:13on the street
17:13wearing an outfit
17:14and be like,
17:14that's a Maria's,
17:15that's very Maria's.
17:17Like,
17:17you've become now
17:18an adjective,
17:19which I feel like
17:21is very hard to achieve.
17:24But is that,
17:25like,
17:26I guess that's a product
17:27of what we were
17:27just talking about,
17:28you seem like
17:28a very visual person
17:29and you care
17:31very deeply
17:32about the creative
17:33and everything.
17:34Yeah.
17:35You definitely have,
17:35like,
17:35a hand in the...
17:37I think it,
17:37I think it,
17:38everything,
17:40because people
17:40experience music,
17:42like,
17:42in so many different ways
17:43that,
17:44like,
17:45a lot of it
17:46is visual
17:47and a lot of it
17:48is, like,
17:49tactile, too.
17:50Like,
17:51all of your
17:51different senses.
17:52So it's like,
17:53when,
17:55yeah,
17:55I think that,
17:56at least that's how
17:57I experience music.
17:58Like,
17:59when I put on my headphones
18:00and go outside,
18:01like,
18:02I like to visualize,
18:03I can't just,
18:04like,
18:04close my,
18:05I mean,
18:05that,
18:06too,
18:06but...
18:07Identify with that.
18:07But even when I close my eyes,
18:09I see visuals,
18:10you know what I mean?
18:11Of course you can't escape it.
18:11You can't escape it,
18:13so...
18:14It's because we studied film.
18:15Yeah.
18:16We studied film.
18:17That, too.
18:18And just,
18:18like,
18:19we go into the studio
18:20with sort of,
18:20like,
18:20visual,
18:22like,
18:22visual references
18:23and cues
18:24and giving ourselves
18:25this sort of,
18:25like,
18:26parameters to work within.
18:28I think it's also nice
18:29to, like,
18:30give people experiencing
18:31the music
18:32those same sort of,
18:33like,
18:34cues.
18:35Mm-hmm.
18:36So that I think it's,
18:38it might be easier
18:39to, like,
18:40grasp the concepts
18:41of the music.
18:42But I think...
18:44I agree.
18:44I think we're just...
18:45You built a world
18:46and it's very cool.
18:46I think we're just visual,
18:47yeah.
18:48But also,
18:49we're just visual.
18:49We're just visual.
18:50We like the visuals.
18:52Yeah.
18:52We like pictures
18:53and books, guys.
18:54Yes.
18:55Do you read?
18:58Yes.
18:58I've always loved to read.
19:00Did you guys have
19:01Accelerated Reader
19:02in your school?
19:03Or is that just
19:04a Southern thing?
19:05Sounds very familiar.
19:07Yeah.
19:07I was, like,
19:09in a little
19:09Accelerated Reader parade
19:10because I read
19:11so many books.
19:12But now as an adult,
19:14it's hard.
19:17I don't know
19:17if this is the same
19:18for you,
19:19but it's been harder
19:19for me to focus
19:21on reading
19:24when there's
19:25so many distractions
19:26going on,
19:27especially during
19:28a rollout
19:28where things
19:30are so fast-paced
19:31that when you sit
19:32to, like,
19:32read a book,
19:33it's so difficult.
19:35Like you said,
19:35during, like,
19:36the writing process
19:37and when you're, like,
19:37back in the studio
19:38for weeks at a time
19:40or whatever,
19:41I think then
19:42it's helpful
19:42to have, like,
19:43movies
19:43or wind-down time
19:45at the end of the night
19:45because I just, like,
19:46need to shut
19:47my brain off
19:48or else it will,
19:49I won't sleep.
19:51And so...
19:51What's your go-to
19:52to shut your brain off,
19:54whether it's, like,
19:54a book or a movie
19:55or a show?
19:56Well, it used to be
19:57The Office, but...
19:58Me too.
19:59I can't get behind
20:00getting something
20:01called Peacock.
20:02Like, I can't...
20:03Same.
20:03I can't get behind.
20:05They took it off
20:05of Netflix
20:06and I was like,
20:07I need to find
20:09a new wind-down show.
20:09I know.
20:10Because then you can't
20:11skip the intro
20:12and the intro's so loud.
20:13I know.
20:14It's the loudest...
20:15It wakes you up.
20:15It wakes you back up.
20:16For sure.
20:17Yeah, whoever mixed
20:18that show
20:19somehow got the intro music
20:22way up here
20:23and dialogue down here.
20:25Yeah.
20:25Yeah, The Office is gone.
20:28I like Parks and Rec.
20:30Okay.
20:30Things that I've seen
20:31a million times over
20:33is good
20:34because I don't have to,
20:36like, be like,
20:36where is this going?
20:37For sure.
20:38It's just...
20:39It's just empty up here,
20:41you know?
20:42It's dead.
20:42Same.
20:43What's your other one
20:44aside from The Office?
20:45Great British baking show.
20:47I had a phase.
20:48Yeah.
20:48I watch it every night.
20:50I've seen all the seasons,
20:51like, four times,
20:52which is how it was
20:52with The Office.
20:53I saw, like,
20:54all the seasons,
20:54like, four or five times.
20:57And it is comforting
20:58to know exactly
21:00what happens next
21:01and, like,
21:03then you sort of, like,
21:04the characters
21:05become a part of your family
21:06and you're like,
21:07oh, I know them.
21:07Like, they know me.
21:08They're, like,
21:09my lullaby at this point.
21:10And sometimes you start
21:11singing along with it.
21:12Like, you know what
21:13they're going to be saying,
21:14so I'll, like,
21:14I'll sing along with the show.
21:16That one specifically
21:17is amazing
21:18because it's the happiest show
21:19I've ever seen.
21:21Yeah.
21:22Like, the colors,
21:23the setting,
21:24the people.
21:25It's, like,
21:26if you're having a bad day,
21:27watch that show.
21:28A hundred percent.
21:30What's something
21:30that's happened
21:31in your career
21:32that you'd want to relive?
21:34Okay, I think
21:34any time
21:35you figure out a bridge
21:38is, like,
21:40the greatest
21:41release
21:43of dopamine
21:44ever
21:45for me
21:46because usually
21:48that's always, like,
21:49the last thing
21:50and sometimes
21:50there's, like,
21:50weeks go by
21:51or whatever
21:51where you, like,
21:52whatever.
21:53So I think
21:53any time I've ever
21:55written a bridge
21:56that I'm proud of...
21:58What's your favorite bridge
21:59that you've written?
22:01That's a good question.
22:02Probably Sun Protector,
22:03to be honest.
22:04Maybe.
22:05Am I guilty?
22:06Am I sorry?
22:08Did I miss you
22:09at the party?
22:11What about you?
22:12What's your favorite bridge
22:12you've written?
22:13Probably the
22:14No One Noticed Bridge.
22:16Come on.
22:17Don't leave me.
22:18Yeah.
22:19See, baby,
22:21if you believe me,
22:23I guess I'll
22:24get on a plane.
22:26I went to the...
22:27I had to pee.
22:27I went to the bathroom
22:28and then I was, like...
22:29That is the best part
22:30of the song.
22:31And then I was, like,
22:31in the bathroom
22:32and then I just sort of, like,
22:33started singing that
22:34and the lyrics came out, too.
22:35And then I walked out
22:36and I was, like,
22:37Luca, I don't know.
22:38That's, like,
22:38I'm singing this thing.
22:39He's, like,
22:40let's try it.
22:41Let's see where it works
22:42in the song.
22:43You said that the, like,
22:45virality of No One Notice
22:47made you, like,
22:50disconnect from the song
22:51a little bit.
22:52Yeah.
22:52And, like,
22:54the videos that people
22:55were making
22:56and, like,
22:56I'm sure the edit
22:57where they put,
22:59I don't know,
22:59the other song.
23:00Yeah.
23:01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:02Blue Face
23:02over your song.
23:03Yes, yes, yes.
23:04You said that, like,
23:05those videos
23:06and the virality
23:07helped you, like,
23:10I don't know if help
23:10is the right word,
23:11but it, like,
23:12disconnected the emotional
23:13side of the song
23:14for you.
23:14Mm-hmm.
23:15And I'm curious.
23:16I want to hear more
23:16about that
23:17because that was interesting
23:18and you said it was,
23:19like, a good thing.
23:20I mean,
23:21the first few times
23:22that I, you know,
23:24sang that song live,
23:26it was really hard for me
23:27and I would get, like,
23:28really teary-eyed
23:29because I still had this,
23:30like, emotional connection
23:32to the song
23:33and to the situation
23:34that happened,
23:37like, that inspired the song.
23:38Yeah.
23:40But the more that I played it
23:42and then the more that I saw
23:43how fans connected to it
23:44and, like,
23:45just the looks on their faces
23:47and, like,
23:48how they were moving to it
23:49and then now,
23:50and then seeing the edits
23:51and I think it became,
23:54like, more
23:54how the fans connected to it
23:57and how endearing that was
23:59and then less about
24:00how I felt about the song.
24:02So it was, like,
24:03this really beautiful exchange
24:04of, like,
24:05they almost, like,
24:06took the pain away
24:08from me.
24:09That's beautiful.
24:10I love that.
24:11Because of how they were
24:12experiencing it
24:13and how much fun it was
24:14for me to watch them
24:16experience the song.
24:18What about for you?
24:19Has there been a song
24:20or songs
24:21that have been really emotional
24:23and difficult for you to play
24:24that have gotten easier
24:25because of, like,
24:27how the fan response
24:28has been towards those songs?
24:30I guess maybe, like,
24:31Sun Protector
24:32when we do that,
24:33the, like,
24:33bridge of that song
24:34is, like,
24:35a moment
24:36and I used to get
24:39kind of emotional
24:40and, like,
24:42really belt
24:44that part of the song
24:46and I guess I still do
24:48but I think in the same way
24:50there's, like,
24:51less emotion
24:51because now I, like,
24:52look down
24:52and there's,
24:54for some reason
24:54it's a theme now
24:55for all of Barricade
24:56to be, like,
24:56head-banging
24:57to the point
24:58that they're, like,
24:58snapping their necks
24:59and it's, like,
25:00a whole thing now.
25:01How can you cry
25:02when you're hoping
25:03that the fans
25:04don't break their neck?
25:05I know, it's insane.
25:06It's, like,
25:07it's violent
25:07so it's hard for me
25:08to, like,
25:08get in the place
25:10of my head
25:11but it's fun to watch
25:12so it's, like,
25:12I also, I think
25:14it's a good thing.
25:15That's one of my
25:15favorite songs of yours.
25:18Yeah.
25:19I'm very honored
25:20that I got to do this
25:22with you.
25:22Same.
25:23I'm a massive fan
25:24and you're incredible.
25:25You know what?
25:26I should have worn,
25:26there's a fan
25:27at the show
25:28that I was Sally at
25:29that gave me
25:31a Sally bracelet.
25:32Really?
25:32Yes.
25:33What the hell?
25:34Yes.
25:35Thank you for that moment.
25:36I meant to.
25:38I meant to.
25:38You haven't been
25:39wearing it every day?
25:40Pretend, like,
25:41it was actually
25:42really cute.
25:42It was, like,
25:43really cute beads
25:44but so I'm really
25:45grateful for that
25:45moment and
25:46really grateful
25:47to have gotten
25:48to sit here
25:49and get to know you
25:50more and
25:51we'll have to go
25:52on a little
25:53nature walk.
25:54Let's do a nature walk.
25:55I would love to do that
25:56and if I ever do
25:58acid,
25:58you're gonna
25:59be my guide.
26:00Be my guide.
26:01You'll cradle me
26:02while I'm in
26:03fetal position.
26:05You'll be just fine.
26:05Okay.
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