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00:00Back in 1995, I was assigned as a motorcycle officer with the city of San Bernardino.
00:30On August 10, 1995, at about 10 o'clock, I was on a traffic stop when I heard the triple tone.
00:38Triple tone means that there's some kind of an emergency.
01:00What do you mean they died?
01:01What do you mean they died?
01:02What's wrong with them?
01:03I don't know, right, sir?
01:04Ma'am, where is the person that died?
01:06Where is he at?
01:07He's on the floor in the living room.
01:11What's the address?
01:12What, Elm?
01:17Yeah, it's Elm.
01:18This wasn't my first homicide.
01:21This wasn't my first crime scene.
01:22But this one just stuck with me.
01:27These people were brutally executed.
01:30Brutally killed.
01:32Through all my years in the homicide, I've never seen a scene like this before.
01:35Just, it's, to this day, still sticks with me.
01:40It's, to this day, still sticks with me.
02:10It's, to this day, still sticks with me.
02:40When I got off my bike, the first thing I noticed were all the people standing in the
02:45front yard.
02:46They were frantic, were all crying.
02:49They were yelling in Vietnamese.
02:51I didn't know what they were saying.
02:52But the look on their faces told me that there was something inside that house that was, that
02:57was big.
02:58I saw a woman there holding about a two- or three-year-old.
03:04The child appeared to have been shot.
03:09I immediately called for medical aid for him.
03:13That's when I approached the house.
03:15I didn't know if there was a shooter still in the house.
03:21I had my gun at the ready.
03:23When I walked in, the first thing I noticed was I could smell the blood.
03:39There was blood everywhere.
03:40I noticed a woman laying on her back.
03:51There was a puppet next to her.
03:53Laying there next to her was an older Vietnamese man, probably in his 40s, laying face down,
04:09hands tied behind his back, appeared to be shot in the back of the head.
04:12And the body next to him appeared to be a young boy.
04:19He was face down also with his hands tied behind his back.
04:24I proceeded to where the bedrooms were located.
04:29The house appeared to be very disheveled.
04:31It was a mess.
04:38There was a bedroom.
04:39The door was open.
04:42In the back bedroom, there were two bodies of a boy and a girl.
04:49I couldn't believe what I was in.
04:52They were both riddled with bullets shot numerous times.
04:56The little boy looked like he was trying to cover his sister as they were being shot.
05:02That was heroic to me.
05:05I have two little boys that were about the same age, and that's all I could think about,
05:09is how he put, he, at 10 years old, risked his life to save his sister.
05:18I was a detective working for the city of San Bernardino Police Department in the homicide unit.
05:35And when we got to the front yard,
05:37I knew something bad had occurred in that house.
05:40And I kind of even questioned myself, if I really wanted to go in and see what was going on.
05:46When I first walked in and started looking, one of the things we did notice was blood prints, fingerprints, from a small child, and smears along the walls lowered to the ground so we knew they were not from adults.
06:03We knew the three-year-old boy, who had went to the hospital, had wandered around all night.
06:10You know, you start thinking, what does this kid have to suffer when he saw this by himself in there for probably eight years?
06:16to ten hours before somebody showed up to save him.
06:17When we got closer to looking at the bodies, we noticed a lot of different things.
06:18We knew the three-year-old boy, who had went to the hospital, had wandered around all night.
06:23You know, you start thinking, what does this kid have to suffer when he saw this by himself in there for probably eight to ten hours before somebody showed up to save him?
06:36When we got closer to looking at the bodies, we noticed a lot of different things.
06:43Dad had cuts on his neck, which were unusual.
06:49The first time I looked at the mother, when she was lying on her back in the living room, what I saw up her nose, I knew did not belong there.
07:04It was kind of a bluish-colored substance, consistent with what I thought was toothpaste.
07:13There was also what appeared to be shampoo that had been poured into the eyes.
07:19In the same room, we found an empty shampoo bottle.
07:22I've worked a lot of murders, a lot of death investigations, and I've never seen anything like this, ever.
07:34We found that Lam had been wearing a jade and diamond pendant that apparently had been taken from her.
07:43We thought maybe it was taken as a trophy, because some serial killers do that.
07:48When we got to the kitchen area, I saw all the pots and pans were removed from cabinets, from the countertops.
08:00They were all laid on the floor, nice neat little piles.
08:03This was not normal.
08:07That house on Elm Street was a horror scene.
08:20As we worked the scene, neighbors were interviewed by some of the detectives.
08:24What we discovered was the Wynn family consisted of six people.
08:28The father, Henry Wynn, was 44 years old.
08:31The mother, Trin Nguyen, was 35.
08:34The daughter, Doan, was 15 years old.
08:36Daniel, the oldest son, was 11 years old.
08:39And the middle son, David, was 10 years old.
08:43And Dennis was three and a half the time he was shot.
08:46He was their only surviving victim out of this incident.
08:53I think Dennis had dropped down between the beds and hid in the back bedroom.
08:59He'd caught a couple stray rounds, one in the hand and one in the arm.
09:04We talked to the neighbors, and they said that Dad ran a landscaping business.
09:09Mom ran a sewing business where she made uniforms for Vietnamese restaurants.
09:16Nobody was aware of any threats to the victim family either.
09:23I found out about it just by working the beat, as they say.
09:27It just had all the makings of an interesting story for a crime reporter.
09:32It was a family that was attacked inside their home,
09:35and it was terrible and frightening.
09:38San Bernardino is about 60, 70 miles due east of downtown Los Angeles.
09:45And there's a couple hundred thousand people.
09:48The Nguyen family lived on kind of the center part of San Bernardino
09:52in a predominantly Vietnamese and Southeast Asian community.
10:01Detectives continued to do a neighborhood canvas.
10:03Knocking on doors, asking questions.
10:06Do you see anything?
10:07Do you hear anything?
10:08Notice anything unusual?
10:11But it was predominantly a non-English speaking community.
10:14Most of them spoke Vietnamese, and so there was just a language barrier, number one.
10:19And then there were the cultural aspects of not understanding the way the police worked in this country.
10:24I was lucky enough to find Peter Lee, the community leader for that Vietnamese area.
10:31So we made him the focus point so he could provide us what we needed.
10:34The very few people, they tend to afraid the police.
10:41They don't like the police because they had memory back home.
10:45They don't follow the law.
10:46They can do whatever they want.
10:48So I had to encourage them to speak with the police when something happened.
10:53Everybody in the neighborhood is shocked and scared.
10:57So at that point, I started getting phone calls from other agencies.
11:02And they were telling me toothpaste and shampoo in the eyes was a Vietnamese torture technique that was found during the Vietnam War.
11:13They'd shove toothpaste up their nose, dump shampoos in the eyes to try and irritate them.
11:20So we knew then for sure that that's what it was. It was torture.
11:25I just couldn't understand why someone would hurt someone like that.
11:29Everybody in the neighborhood down here by the Wynn's home was frightened.
11:34We couldn't answer the questions, who did this? Why did it happen?
11:38They scared that the killer could go after them.
11:41I think that whoever do that is evil.
11:45We never think that what happened on AMC can happen here in this country.
11:50But this happened anyway.
11:53The violence we saw in that house, we knew that this crime was sent as a warning.
11:58More violence was coming because we knew this killer was going to continue doing exactly what they were doing.
12:11More violence was coming.
12:12More violence was coming.
12:13More violence was coming.
12:14More violence was coming.
12:19On August 9, 1995, the Wynn family was shot and killed inside their house.
12:26The only surviving member of this family massacre was three-year-old Dennis.
12:30We had a detective who worked the Crimes Against Children Division who went to the hospital to try and talk with Dennis to see if we could get any type of statement from him.
12:48Detectives told us that Dennis, he was experiencing a lot of fear. He was afraid of loud noises.
12:58He just kept repeating that he saw blood. He saw blood. He was clearly traumatized.
13:06Any detective was smart enough to know when not to question and when to question.
13:15He made the determination that this was not the time to be pushing anything because he could still see the fear in this kid's face.
13:22He was scared to death.
13:23When we originally started the investigation, we had no information whatsoever.
13:42The neighbors were not speaking. Our eyewitness, Dennis, wasn't talking.
13:47But then we got a phone call from the crime lab.
13:53The criminalist showed me a very unique primer to only one gun, Glock handgun.
13:59So that was our first big break. We knew Glock handguns had been used in this homicide.
14:06The next day, we get a phone call from Sacramento Sheriff's Department.
14:09He says, hey, we have this home invasion and we submitted casings and have a match against your case and we got a match.
14:20I jumped out of my chair while I'm talking on the phone. We're back in business. We got a lead.
14:25And one of the detectives up there explained to me their murder had occurred about two weeks before our case in San Bernardino.
14:34They had a mom and pop business they were running out of their house.
14:36He told me that on the day of their murder, the daughter of the victims in San Clemente was sitting on the front steps of her apartment.
14:53She saw two men come up the stairs with guns in their hands and it scared the bejesus out of her.
14:59She yelled to her mother, shut the door, shut the door.
15:02Shut the door, shut the door.
15:07The mother ran to the door to try and shut it.
15:08After the suspects entered, they shot mom in the leg.
15:14Dad grabbed the chair, tried to hit one of the suspects, get shot.
15:18The grandfather's there, he gets shot in the head.
15:19They're both dead.
15:23The daughter said that the only way that mom survived was because of the sirens that were in the background.
15:24They knew they'd been had.
15:26They knew they'd been had.
15:28You were like, what do you think they were going to call me?
15:29And the mother was hurt, and it was like, what do you think it was?
15:30I'm a kid.
15:31That's a kid.
15:32And he decided to wake up.
15:33You got hurt.
15:34I get hurt.
15:35I'm a kid.
15:36I don't care.
15:37I'm半 Seit.
15:38there, he gets shot in the head. They're both dead. The daughter said that the only way that mom
15:47survived was because the sirens that were in the background. They knew they'd been had and they got
15:55out of there as fast as they could. We started to realize that this wasn't just one lone individual
16:03that was committing these crimes. It was a group of individuals that were acting in a packed
16:09mentality and they were acting together to target these unfortunate Vietnamese families.
16:18Based on the information we were building from these two cases, I realized that these guys
16:22are progressing at a much more violent rate than we expected.
16:27These guys, if they didn't get stopped, God knows how many more people they would kill.
16:37We needed that information. And the only witness was Dennis, a three-year-old. So we knew that we
16:45needed to try and get what he saw and what he felt.
17:15Soon after this family had been murdered, Dennis was physically recovering, also emotionally
17:32recovering. So there was a police psychologist who was working with the boy to get him to
17:37understand what had happened and be able to communicate what he knew to police investigators.
17:41Dennis had drawn some pictures, and there were some figures, a lot of red, what she believed
17:52was blood. The psychologist said she could see Dennis was scared.
17:58He told us exactly what happened. Through brutality, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
18:14His mom had always told him that monsters aren't real. But that was the night he found out
18:33she was wrong. He crawled out of bed and peeked into the hallway.
18:41It was like, oh, you didn't do anything.
18:48Get out of bed.
18:49Oh.
18:50Help!
18:50Help!
18:51Yeah!
18:52Help!
18:53That was a dick you are.
18:55There's nothing in it.
18:57I need to make a difference.
18:58Just, I need to make a difference.
18:59Uh, I need to make a difference.
19:00I need to make a difference.
19:01Oh, this was a dick you are.
19:06There's nothing in it.
19:06It was a really great thing in it.
19:08I mean to make a difference.
19:09It was a good sign.
19:09I had to do this.
19:10We couldn't identify anybody,
19:39but Dennis remembered seeing men with guns.
19:43He actually pointed to one of the investigators' head on their belt.
19:48Well, he said there were shots fired.
20:05Dennis also told us they didn't even cover their faces.
20:07They didn't have any mask or anything.
20:09At one point, one of the detectives asked Dennis if the killers spoke English
20:27at one point one of the detectives asked dennis if the the killers uh spoke english
20:37like the detective was speaking to him that's when dennis responded they speak like me
20:44which clued the detectives in that the killers were speaking vietnamese
20:50when dennis recognized the language that one of the killers was speaking
20:55they knew that it was a member of the community not an outsider when we got that information
21:01that made a big difference for us still we just didn't know who or where they were from
21:06as the investigation progressed one thing i thought was important for us was to find out
21:15more about the jade necklace taken off the mother trend had a jade necklace which in their culture
21:23is generally seen as bringing protection
21:25in vietnam or cambodis the female they think jade protect their life
21:33so when that thing is lost or stolen or somebody took it
21:38they feel it's very bad luck for them
21:41police realized they needed to break the silence in the community
21:50so they decided to release more details of the killings and also a five thousand dollar reward
21:55for information about what had happened five thousand dollars especially to members of that
22:01community was a lot it was not a rich community investigators are asking for any information or
22:06leads surrounding the win family murders in san bernardino authorities now believe the shootings
22:11may be linked to another family murder which occurred just weeks before in sacramento
22:16we got so many phone calls i mean we were inundated we had to have detectives just take the phone
22:30calls and go through them and see what was useful and what was not we needed a big break because
22:36they killed grandpa and dad and shot mom in a leg in sacramento
22:41and then they killed an entire family in san bernardino and left a three-year-old alive
22:47so it was just getting worse
22:49detectives are searching for the killers responsible for murdering two vietnamese families
23:04one in san bernardino and another four weeks earlier in sacramento
23:09investigators decided to release more details of the killings and also
23:14a five thousand dollar reward for information about what had happened that decision resulted in a
23:20bunch of leads being called in we were given a name of this guy in seattle washington that had
23:27the jade and diamond necklace was taken off the mother the lead also provided me with a drawing of
23:35exactly what that pendant looked like but we had no idea at this point if this guy's our killer
23:41we did not know what was going to happen next
23:47we went to the house
23:59we told them that you're either going to give us what we want
24:07or we'll get a search warrant and we're going to charge you with five counts of first degree murder
24:12in san bernardino california
24:13after we told him that he was scared to death
24:18he told me he knew of absolutely no murders
24:21he pulled out the pendant
24:23i said bingo
24:26this is it we got it
24:28it was exactly like the drawing bleed had given me
24:31he eventually told him who had given him the jade necklace
24:36his name was run chun
24:39he said run chun had gone to seattle to see a girlfriend
24:43when he got there he realized he was out of money and couldn't get back home
24:47he had the necklace with him
24:49he offered to trade a pendant for cash so he could drive home
24:54he like many others was terrified of run chun
24:59and he probably knew what he was capable of doing
25:02like the smearing of the toothpaste in the nostrils
25:05torturing and terrifying the victims
25:08so we were looking for him and really worried about where he was going to go
25:13as we were searching for run chun
25:29i get a phone call from spokane pd homicide
25:34and they're telling me about a home invasion murder
25:38it was another vietnamese family
25:40and i was kind of shocked
25:41i asked if they could tell me what type of gun was used
25:44and they said a glock
25:46and i lit up and i asked them to contact their criminalist
25:52to contact san rio county sheriff's criminalist
25:54see if they can do a comparison
25:56this was two weeks before the shootings in sacramento
26:02and a month before the newen family killings in san bernardino
26:05spokane pd told me they killed mom and dad in front of two kids
26:10had a five-year-old and a two-year-old that had survived the incident
26:14we had two more victims
26:16the brutality was just beyond belief
26:21he had to be stopped
26:26spokane pd interviewed joe hagan
26:33the son of the victims
26:35who was five years old at the time
26:38being five this victim was uh able to speak a little bit more
26:43and provide some crucial information for this overall investigation
26:47during the incident in spokane joe hagan was in his room
26:55and he heard loud banging
27:03little joe got up to poke his head out of his room
27:07and he was able to see
27:14that there were two men
27:16one was a bigger man and one was smaller
27:20he saw guns they were black and shiny
27:26he saw his parents
27:30and their hands were tied together
27:35joe saw his mom wanted to help her
27:39and as he started to get closer he saw his mom's eyes get wide and she started shaking her head
27:46and this scared him he backed off
27:52he heard loud noises
27:56gunshots
28:01and ran behind the couch
28:08and grabbed the pillow and he he put it over his face
28:13because he was afraid
28:16he just continued to hold that pillow over his face
28:19because it was so loud
28:23he sat there until sunrise
28:29and that's when he went to his neighbor's house to go get help
28:36the detectives placed this series of photographs out
28:39for joe to try to identify who one of these suspects were
28:46and joe was able to point at one of these photographs
28:50and identify the big man that had hurt his dad
28:55that big man turned out to be the same man
28:58that had ripped the necklace off of dennis's mom
29:06ron chun
29:10there's no doubt in my mind that the main man was ron chun
29:14after getting the information on spokane that occurred on july 10th of 1995
29:20when we found out that the ballistics did match what happened on july 27th in sacramento
29:25and those matched the ballistics from august 9th in san berlino
29:30so we definitely connected all three cases together at that point but we still didn't have
29:35any other named suspects
29:39i called peter lee he told me that he would put his nose out there and see what he could come up with
29:44the police called me very early then i talked with a lot of people in the neighborhood i said you
29:53have to you have to talk with the police if you don't talk with the police the police can do nothing
30:00the people in the neighborhood scared i think maybe they think they own next
30:05then i got a phone call from peter and he asked if i could come by his office peter lee told me that
30:11there was a young lady that i needed to talk to that had information about the home invasion on elm
30:16street and this young lady named carol tran
30:22carol tran had lived about a block away from the win family we ended up eventually finding her at a
30:28residence
30:33person who opened the door was nancy tran carol's mother
30:39too had looked inside the house and saw dennis inside covered in blood
30:44we picked carol tran up and brought her to the station she was definitely scared
30:48she was very reluctant to tell us the whole story but we needed her information can you tell me what
30:59happened when she started telling us what had happened i couldn't believe what i was hearing
31:18it's not a problem when we interviewed carol tran she was very reluctant to tell us the whole story
31:32but she knew run chun and his gang known as trg
31:39trg or tiny rascals gang was a violent immigrant gang back in the mid-90s
31:45we found out that run chun spent some time in the long beach area which is where trg formed and
31:51that's how trg ended up in san verdino carol tran was not really a member of the gang she was i would
31:58call her an associate hey tell me what happened did they come to your house they didn't come to my
32:05home for a while have you had any relationship with any of these guys no did you talk to these guys
32:11that carved up before you know what you're in the book to do she proved to be the ultimate source of
32:21information she identified by name everyone involved in that incident that night vin scrappy tran
32:29man cj evans and their leader ron chun
32:33ron chun
33:03carol said they heard through the neighborhood that the win family had jewelry and they had money
33:24ron chun new asians sometimes keep their money and jewelry hidden in pots and pans
33:28pots and pans because they don't trust banks carol told authorities that she did not believe
33:34that there was going to be a murder that night that it was only going to be a home invasion robbery
33:39she was stupid enough to be involved with these people
33:43she didn't commit the crimes other than knocking on the door and getting them dealt in the door
33:5524. i got a phone call from sacramento sheriff they had arrested run chun
34:05then scrappy tram and the other guy was cj evans
34:10when we got back up to sacramento sheriff's office the first interview we did was with cj evans
34:26and he laid out the whole scenario of everything that happened in san bergino
34:31do you know about that incident i need to have that one more time for me too just to kind of like
34:36lock that down for me so fast he was involved in what happened and were you present when that
34:43shooting took place okay he told me that carol tran run chun scrappy vin tran and cj himself
34:55all went to the house on elm street
35:15run chun and scrappy each had a gun
35:19the family told them initially they didn't have any money
35:28that's when run chun grabbed a knife and started torturing dad cutting on his neck
35:33to make him give up whatever he had
35:40i knew to know for myself what happened in the house um one thing i'm really curious about was the
35:46toothpaste i think that the little boy probably did it
35:52because like none of us would if you're trying to tell me you think the little boy did that i don't
35:57think so because i know all right because i look for the fact that another work i know for the fact
36:03that i didn't do it and that i know nothing about it you told me you saw shocker shoot dad
36:08when you saw him shoot the boy next to dad right i was just saying shoot dad okay and look back to my
36:16mom who shot her didn't you say somebody was shooting in that direction or just scrappy
36:24i see him start shooting my darts
36:28cj7 shown told him to go back outside so he took no part in what was going on inside as far as the
36:34shootings went how much time do you think you spent in the house yourself
36:41one more than not even two minutes i mean what's the total length of time everybody was there
36:50after we'd spoken with cj evans
36:56my partner and i sat down with run chun the police needed a monster to speak to them
37:01the leader run chun okay so you're here in sacramento now it's you scrappy cj and cj yes okay
37:12now i want to kind of go to and some events that occurred back in the uh the second week of august
37:18okay around august 9th august 10th you know we believe that you have knowledge about the family
37:22thing more than what you say you do what family
37:25people that you know or they say that you're involved with that in those shootings carol's
37:31saying she was there scrappy is saying he was there cj is saying he was there okay wouldn't talk
37:38didn't care had nothing to say i know for a fact that down at this house on elm street
37:46carol went to the door and three guys followed carol up and stood off to the side behind the bushes
37:50and i know two guys had guns and the first person everybody said one of them lsu yeah i figured that
37:59okay he was very cocky very smart ass type personality all these people involved know that
38:09they're going to get some type of punishment for what they did and the only one who was involved in
38:14it and i believe you were okay who hasn't admitted any involvement like you're the angel okay okay
38:22it's you so i supposed to stand up and say okay i killed all the people no you're supposed to tell
38:29us what you did and who you killed or if you shot anybody okay you're not taking care of business
38:35you're letting their story lock you up okay oh this story's already locking me up i would see that
38:45i tried to explain what he was looking at with uh multiple murder cases life in prison and he just
38:51kind of looked me in the face and said i'm not worried i knew this was going nowhere and i'd never
38:57get nothing out of him and i'm thinking to myself why do i not want to reach across the table and beat
39:03the living out of him because this guy's got me pissed and i knew that that was the point where i had
39:09to back out and say enough's enough carol trend was charged with five counts of first degree murder
39:20she agreed to testify on a plea deal of five counts of second degree murder to be ran concurrent was
39:26sentenced to 15 years to 50 years scrappy pleaded guilty to five counts first degree murder
39:33and he was sentenced to 50 years to life cj pled to five counts of first degree murder 25 to life
39:50in the trial rung chun walked out arrogant cocky like like nothing could touch him
40:00i got called to the stand because obviously i was first on scene
40:02and um i gave my story got a little emotional on the scene i was staring at the face of evil
40:12the jury found rung chun guilty and they came back with a death sentence he's still on death row
40:22once we left i went home and the first thing i did is hug my boys both of them
40:27you want to think that something like that would never happen but it happened
40:34you look at your family and you think how what would you do if that happened to your family
40:42son family come here for better life they had no idea that would happen to the family
40:49it it it heartbreaking
40:50to this day i still wake up in the middle of the night thinking about the house on elm street
40:58and i've seen a lot of murders but i've never seen anything like that since and i'm thankful for that
41:11when i arrived at the house on elm street something wasn't right
41:14the victim was naked as can be he had something very unusual on the body
41:23they found our uncle dad it was devastating it was like it had become its own urban legend
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