Bersatu Information Chief Datuk Tun Faisal Ismail Aziz joins us to address pressing questions surrounding recent controversies of the party.
Many observers have pointed to signs of differing narratives within the party, prompting public curiosity: Is there genuine friction at the leadership level, or is it merely perception from the outside?
With elections drawing near and all eyes on Bersatu’s next move, this conversation seeks clarity on whether the party is truly united or still navigating internal realignments.
Catch the full episode on Top News Podcast - only on Sinar Daily’s YouTube and Facebook. A must watch!
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Many observers have pointed to signs of differing narratives within the party, prompting public curiosity: Is there genuine friction at the leadership level, or is it merely perception from the outside?
With elections drawing near and all eyes on Bersatu’s next move, this conversation seeks clarity on whether the party is truly united or still navigating internal realignments.
Catch the full episode on Top News Podcast - only on Sinar Daily’s YouTube and Facebook. A must watch!
#TopNewsPodcast #SinarDaily #TunFaisal #Bersatu #MalaysianPolitics #PartyUnity #LeadershipDynamics #PoliticalInsight #GE16 #PRN2025
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00:00Hello everyone, I am Talasin Looman from Sinar Daily and today I'm sorry for laughing I'm sorry
00:16for laughing because today we're like having an awesome time with Bersatus Information Chief
00:23Dato' Tun Faizal Ismail Aziz bin Aziz right? Okay you know what like I have this totally fun
00:31question maybe it's fun maybe it's funny I hope it's not too personal but like you are definitely
00:36a Dato' kan? Tapi a lot of people love to call you Tun and we all know Tun is a bit more higher ranking
00:44than Dato' but Tun tu is your name right? So like how do you feel about it like it's kind of like you
00:51dapat a natural upgrade? Yeah actually I don't mind people calling me a stone when it's not in a
01:01I mean it's not in official events and whatever official affairs so I think it's okay it sounds
01:08better it sounds closer it sounds of higher status but the thing is sounds more friendly to me okay so
01:18I'm okay with those who call me by Tun. You're also like it's close it brings you closer to the people
01:25meaning to say like you're able to touch the not touch lah like I have a closer knit relationship with
01:30the rakyat with the people your supporters your to me because uh Tun is my name but Dato' is given to
01:38me so Dato' of course of higher status when people call you by Dato' means they already have a little bit of
01:47gap between them and I so I think for them maybe it sounds not that friendly but to me if you call me Tun
01:58then I think uh it's more friendly to me okay then there is not much gap left uh for them okay so you guys
02:08if you've met Dato you can just call him Tun because Rasa lebih rapat yeah okay if it's not official events
02:16then it's okay okay so we're not go straight into the questions because we have the Bersatu information chief
02:23and we all know there's a whole bunch of things happening in Bersatu right now yeah so we're gonna get
02:28straight to it because recently um one of your party members uh one cycle one john he called out
02:35uh an old video of Dato' Sri Azmin Ali your secondary general uh alleging that the video the alleged
02:45tape is authentic right so from your take like what's happening there and could you just tell us like
02:54what should people understand when we're talking about this whole scandal yeah i've gone through
03:00discussions on the net i've gone i've read the postings by the netizen and public and also i've read
03:07some write-ups from the columnists one of them is Jocelyn Tan the star so she described the whole episode
03:16as uh gutter politics and i think that is uh really spot on so when you look into the controversy
03:24it's uh never about Bersatu as a party it's not about our struggle it's not about our policies not about our
03:33way to move forward it's not about our direction and not even about our performance and past track record
03:40when we were in the government in 2020 till 2022 so it's more about um personal attitude and also
03:52it's about um whole politics okay so i think there are a lot of things that we need we need to do
04:01we need to strengthen the party then we need to prepare for the election
04:05sabah elections coming uh black election is coming and we have a lot of things to talk about
04:12the cost of the people so there are a lot of things to do uh and we shouldn't get ourselves trapped
04:20and dragged by um personal dispute and also all politics okay so we're we're talking about not being
04:29dragged yeah but we have to understand that the party is going through we are understanding that the party is
04:35going through some internal differences there are also there has always been this narrative that
04:41there's two camps um the president's camp and nato sri hamza's camp as well and there's also targets
04:48we can see it we can see it and you've also mentioned that there there has been um the eyes i mean the
04:56party has also stated that certain people are being investigated and being whatever that's going against
05:03the constitution but what do you think about the narrative being set here for the party itself
05:09i think when there are disputes or disagreements in party what we need to do is to refer back to where
05:19the source of information lies for instance when we have dispute among the muslim we go back to
05:28quran hadiths and also consensus of the scholars same goes to our country when we have dispute or we
05:34have disagreement we go back to our constitution and also go to the loss of the land but and same the
05:41same thing happened when it happened in bersatu when we have the disagreement and also dispute
05:46we have to go back to the source of our reference means we have to go back to our constitution
05:52look back at the policy matters a policy of the party and also look back at the decision made by the
05:59the party before so that's where we won't get ourselves wrong so in order to handle uh things different
06:08of our opinion different narratives the most importantly what is actually right or wrong
06:15uh within the party constitution and whether it is uh similar to what have been decided to the party
06:25by the party and also policy of the party if it's not against the constitution if it's not against the
06:31policy if it's not against the decision of party then you are on the right side so this is what
06:36happening now in the bersatu we have made some decision in the party some might not happy with the decision or
06:43some might not uh agree with the decision but the this decision has been made uh way back in 2024
06:51during our party election and also our agm in 2024 so those who act against the decision then we have
06:59manners uh how to deal with it and the best way is uh to bring them uh in the disciplinary board and look
07:09whether they have um uh offend the constitution or offend the regulation or act against the decision of the
07:21party okay you're being you're investigating if they have done anything against the party and also
07:28against the decisions decisions but to say that it may impact the elections and upcoming i mean upcoming
07:39elections definitely but the image of the party and the confidence of the people towards the party um
07:43people will start making assumptions people will say of course dah jadi dah sekarang kan so
07:48macam macam mana like for bersatu itself like what are you doing to make sure that people understand
07:54that bersatu is actually memang bersatu and you're weeding out these unbersatu people yeah it's not
08:01weeding out the unbersatu people i think uh first we have to explain to our party members and we also have to
08:08explain to the pn component parties okay so we need to get them to understand what is going on in the
08:17party and whether we are holding on to our constitution and decision and party policies so this is very
08:25important because in in order to determine whether one is right or wrong people can people can have opinions
08:33but the way you express your opinion opinion does matter say for instance when you want to express
08:40opinion in the matter that it's against the constitution that is wrong when you want to express your opinion openly
08:47in media in social media by attacking someone that is obviously wrong against the party regulation
08:55if you want to say something that have a negative impact on the party okay tarnish the name the good name of
09:04the party that is also against the regulation everything you've said just now everything that you've just
09:09mentioned is basically one saiful doing what he did no i think we don't want we don't want to focus in
09:17on one person okay i think it's general okay whoever even if i do the same thing i would face i have to
09:24face the music but that you have to ask i have to ask him okay okay but for me uh stick to the
09:33regulation stick to the decision of the party then you won't go wrong okay so i think let that party
09:39has some space to deal with the internal uh matters right now then what i can assure of we are doing
09:47it calmly we are doing it wisely and we are doing it in accordance to our uh regulation and also uh
09:54the party rules yeah okay okay okay okay okay i want to go back to the agm last month yeah um we saw the
10:03fights we saw the fight during the president's speech a bit of chaos okay uh and then like immediately
10:12the next day we saw datuk sri hamzah and yeah tansri meriden embracing each other like they were hugging
10:19and it looked like it was a peaceful situation yeah was it really a peaceful situation yeah i think it was
10:27a good thing maybe the night before other last kid chaotic things uh there are some hiccups uh but the next
10:37day most importantly is that after one day of debate discussion uh that is the important uh thing about
10:46our agm okay when we have platform high highest platform like this to make decision we not only debate we
10:53we also make decisions when this uh when the party make decision the most importantly everyone has to
11:00respect it everyone has to implement it and also defend it so it's good gesture and sign when you see
11:07uh datuk sri hamzah uh shaking hands uh hugging datuk tansri muhidin and i think it's a very positive sign
11:16for us especially after the the night before um hiccups i think like datuk sri hamzah are doing that
11:22it's a signal to his supporters supporters that things are okay yeah we have we have to give him
11:29credit for that okay i think when he said that he is the number one uh supporters of uh supporter of
11:36tansri muhidin that bring unity message to to everyone so that for me that is good okay then do you think
11:43the message was sent to one saiful um part of uh it's one saiful part of uh datuk sri hamzah's camp
12:00you don't know i would say there is there is a move uh to to
12:06uh bring up uh datuk sri hamzah as uh the next president of the party i think that is uh okay but
12:18should be done in a manner that is uh accepted by the regulation and constitution of the party so you
12:28have to do it by book okay when one was doing it without referring to the constitution or against
12:36the constitution or against the decision of the party past agm of the party that doesn't look good
12:44and we have to manage it uh within our party yeah so i think this is what is happening right now okay so
12:51if you see at the moment only one party has been going out saying it aloud but i think those who are
13:01holding onto the party discipline party constitution we were leaving it to a disciplinary board to
13:09to do whatever that is necessary so i think that should be the way to handle internal politics in the
13:17party but if you think what they did was deliberate i think they should uh reserve comments and
13:30face uh disciplinary board and explain themselves there okay it would be better if they explain
13:35themselves in the media in open media you won't solve whatever dispute they won't solve whatever
13:41whatever um whatever whatever whatever being said about them okay okay so if they talk if they explain
13:55themselves in front of the disciplinary board that it would be better and it save uh the disagreement
14:05outside of the party i mean outside of the outside of the party channels so just do it in the party
14:11channels uh do it uh calmly do it in amicable manner uh without ternishing further um the party image
14:19okay so in moving forward um you mentioned it's now about being a united front right yeah so because
14:25a lot of people are questioning like you know what the war hasn't started the elections hasn't started
14:30but the battle within the party like macam-macam so do you think like it's good that you're having this
14:37indifference and confrontations before the elections because sabah baru so do you think it's a good move
14:45that you settle it now before everybody heads to the polls because once sabah starts
14:50yeah so it's gonna be like a row of elections yeah so it's not good to have open controversy means
15:09confrontation uh that known to the public that that is not good okay if we can contain it within
15:16our party that is uh better actually okay uh but since things happen so i think it's better to
15:24have a ways to manage whatever that had already happened in amicable manner okay so it has to be
15:32settled as early as possible so that after that we can prepare ourselves into the general election and also
15:40are the election so you should you should be settled now i would say okay what about like perkata
15:47national in general like the relationship with pass and gerakan and sekarang mca and mic possibly
15:55potentially joining you guys before the elections begin like what are we seeing there so far i think i
16:05can see a very good acceptance towards a very good acceptance towards bersatu and perikatan national okay you
16:09can see that when uh tan seri moheddin invited those uh all opposition parties to be together and they
16:19they mean they get together with tan seri and they plan for common causes to be fight upon then if you look at
16:27at the mca and mic i think they also know that uh if they stay in pakatan harapan coalition and
16:35varisan national coalition they will they will have a lesser chance to win or to have a seat in the
16:43coming election so it would be better for them to get themselves out from there and join perikatan national i
16:51see that way and so far they are very positive at uh perikatan national and hopefully they will join us
16:59in the future and we are as uh like you can see besatu tan seri moheddin perikatan national we are very
17:06inclusive and we accept as long as they can as long as their ideology is about the same with us their
17:14expression is about the same with us then i think they can they can be together with us and this is what
17:19happened uh towards the direction dan seri moheddin has a founderly figure he has bring everybody
17:25together and that uh that itself is a sign of uh asset accepted in his leadership okay so that is good
17:34for besatu it's good for pn i think it's it's getting better and better okay so maksudnya i mean
17:40let's just be clear uh mca and mic are very much welcome into perkata national yeah everyone actually
17:47everyone as long as as long as as long as they are the the ideology is uh almost similar to us
17:54as long as the expression is what what is the perkata national ideology i think it's whatever in
18:03the constitution okay in line with the malaysia's constitution constitution and for besatu
18:08uh we fight for the cause of the malay muslim and uh the i mean the again the constitution whatever
18:19stated in constitution and not similar to not not something similar to what the ap is fighting for
18:29so what is the ap fighting for then so like the ap i think the ideology ideology is uh very much
18:40different than than bersatu okay and perikatan national and definitely past and i think the approach
18:47also it's a lot of different a lot of different a lot different than what we have approach approach
18:52okay okay okay how is it different in many ways for instance macam baru ni kan uh the issue of the liquor
19:02during the government event okay so kalau macam dap you can see that uh ngakomeng is very
19:08uh i mean defensive on it okay but i think on on bersatu on other other party in perikatan national
19:18we accept the fact that this is government event then uh it should be organized according to the policy
19:26of the country and this should be served uh during the event okay okay let's just like go a bit in your
19:36history you were an um no man before you became uh bersatu man masih dekat umno though like how do you
19:42think things have changed you know over the past i don't know maybe it hasn't been eight years ten years
19:48since 2018 2018 but they have changed after 20 after the 22 means 2023 yeah yeah do you do you you know
19:59since datuk seri najib is no longer you were definitely a datuk seri najib razaq punya man
20:06we we all know that um since zahid took over as the president kan like as a former umno leader
20:16how do you think um no's direction is now now that you know they are closely knitted to
20:21pakatan harapan i was i was one of those you know against the decision of the to zahid and certain
20:31quarters in umno when they want to support the anno ibrahim as the next prime minister okay and we were
20:38those we were among the those against the decision of the party to make so-called new jajaran with the
20:47dap and pakatan harapan so why we did that because it is it is against the policy of umno then which was
20:57no anwar no dap yeah it's not uh simply a policy but this policy has been uh hold by umno since i think
21:07years back but um dap i think since uh after the dap was uh and singapore was i mean exile from malaysia
21:19because they hold on to malaysian malaysia ideology they want to make to return the constitution into
21:30circular forms which is so much against the policy of umno and barisan national then
21:37then why we uh against uh ibrahim is because of his wrongdoings in 1998 he was sentenced by the
21:51court for abuse of power in 1999 and also for his crime in sodomy yes in 2015
22:03if i'm not mistaken so not only that ibrahim has ideology which is not very clear and not accepted by
22:14umno then yes so i think that is the position of umno when we decided uh in our general election
22:22oh no sorry our agm in 2019 that uh we are against anwar and also against dap no anwar and
22:30and no dap comes from that standard point but uh after that uh razaq was sentenced uh to prison and
22:41and after that you see that one is after the share of the move the change of the government
22:48um no being back into the government together with the perikatan national so i think things are
22:55quite okay for months i think almost six months until dato najib was sentenced
23:00uh that was in july if i'm not mistaken then after that the attitude uh on umno side towards the
23:10perikatan national toward bersatu and past has uh has changed okay uh it seems that they're not happy
23:17with a decision made by the court so then you see there are a lot of so-called sabotage so-called i mean
23:27uh disagreement in the prekatan national itself then some of the umno leaders in the government have
23:35to defend that stream within yeah and but the sentence was uh made uh in 2020 yeah yeah yeah but
23:49yeah yeah so it would be like both of them would be somehow linked or blamed about it
24:00both of them means uh yeah i think the the stand of uh tan sri muhreden at that time
24:09he doesn't want to get himself involved into any court of these court cases yeah
24:16yeah so during that time i think the stand of uh tan sri muhreden he he he want to bring uh the
24:36perikatan national umno and the rest into fresh election okay he want to get fresh mandate and he
24:43want he doesn't he did not want to get himself caught up with um uh court cases i mean interfering into court cases
24:52like this so i think that was his decision at the time okay but it was not uh received positively by
25:01umno leaders and therefore if you look back at the track back what happened after that you can see that as
25:09as early as in october 2020 there was a letter uh of sign by datuk sri zahid and also datuk sri najib
25:20supporting anwar to be the prime minister okay that is the first uh i mean uh exposed
25:30i mean a letter uh which we can we can we can term it as a sabotage against the perikatan national and
25:38against tansri muhreden at that time so i uh tansri anwar musa i was uh with him at that time he was the minister
25:47the then minister of minister of federal territories and i was his uh uh press secretary okay and we came to
25:58know about the letter and he exposed it uh i think early 2021 so after he exposed it i also talked about
26:09it in a press conference uh i talked about uh why datuk sri zahid should come clean and should not support
26:17anwar to become a prime minister and because of that we have a lot of disagreement and i was suspended for
26:28six years because of that so why we did that because we don't want amno to set the president
26:35to be with uh to be with uh dap in the government and also not to support anwar to become a prime minister
26:44so that was uh why we fight against uh zahid amidi okay and now you are in bersatu you're still
26:53fighting against uh i'm still against uh anwar i'm still against uh dap so i think i'm quite consistent on
27:01this okay so but um no has gone astray okay without um no manipulation without zahid manipulation and
27:11deceit and lies okay anwar won't become the 10th prime minister and this government won't be
27:18governed because they don't they didn't win the election okay yeah a lot of people are saying that
27:24because of the majority it depends on the mp seats right like to form the government so and if you
27:32remember on the 22nd of november 2022 the one who has who managed to get 115 sd before 230 was
27:44okay okay but his um his constitutional right was denied at that time then after that and we know on the
27:5432nd uh anwar only has um he had uh only 82 sd okay and zahid doesn't have sd or he only have agreements but not
28:09sd okay so he thought he has a 30 but happened that 10 of those uh sd who were with with were for uh
28:18tansir moheddin okay so after that i think there are meetings in barisan national and barisan national
28:27decided uh not to uh to uh support anyone okay to remain uh neutral okay but there was another letter by
28:39zahid as the chairman of the barisan national to the yandif pundanggung which has a false
28:48um particles inside which is uh in the letter mentioned that uh the 30 mp's of parisan national
28:59giving full support for anwar ibrahim to become prime minister but as mentioned earlier just now
29:06the day before or the night before the decision of parisan national is not to support anyone and to
29:12remain neutral okay so that's that's the reason why i said that this government is not formed because
29:19of the uh win the election they won the election but it is formed because of deceit manipulation and
29:26lies okay okay this is very deep but i love the fact that we have some behind the scenes stories here
29:34i made police report in 2023 23 november in 2023 i made the first report in 2022 and i made another
29:44report okay when i have more evidence i have made another report in on the 5th of september 2024 okay to ask the
29:53police to to investigate about this matter okay okay it's a great refresher yeah as we head into the
30:02elections again okay so before we end i just nak tanya tun yeah what can we expect for the upcoming
30:11elections first sabah melaka joho ge ge eh sarawak sabah is quite tough one okay but i think what is
30:19going on like orang ni nak dengan team ni orang ni nak dengan team ni it's gonna be quiet
30:23um this is i think the taste bait for for the coming uh election okay um they trying
30:31macam um no maybe they're trying uh if um no go solo what will happen okay and pakatan harapan sees whether
30:38with the help of jrs um they can get support from the sabahans which they don't get uh very much support
30:45last time so i think this this is a taste bait then i think warisans then a better chance because they
30:54they're not in they were not uh when they were in the government they were not long so not much bad
31:01things were talk about them and and bersatu if you look at bersatu uh past uh record we won at 11
31:10seats okay so if in combination with other parties maybe we can form uh the next one of sabah but it
31:18depends on the politics in sabah is very nice very dynamic and until today we are not sure who will pack
31:25with the who and at the moment what we know is amno will not pack with the jrs yeah bersatu also will not
31:32pack with the because of the because of the treason yeah the rs leaders last time yeah so yeah it's a very
31:40dynamic um no doesn't team out with jrs and bersatu doesn't team up with jrs right is there even a
31:47chance for you guys to penetrate the ground because jrs is very very grassroots based right so macam
31:53macam mana bersatu tapi jrs got so many issues right now right betul all the graph issues the videos
31:59and yeah definitely and they are not the best government that sabahan has i mean experience
32:05i mean before okay so kalau tengok and ph also ph government is not doing good also okay they are doing i
32:13mean situation right now is not getting better they took from perkataan national the country is in very good
32:21hand no pandemic economy growth is a good but now i think things getting worse and worse and a lot of
32:28people complaining about the pakatan harapan government so and happens that umno barisan national is in the
32:35government okay so i think everyone in drs ph ph pakatan harapan also barisan national will be impacted
32:45uh with the uh from the uh from the national uh issues okay and also the sabahan issues okay and also the
32:52sabahan issues for instance the graph issues yeah yeah yeah video too and also uh zara kareena yeah and other
32:59things uh farhash singing oh yeah that's another big issue so from that i mean point of view for towards upcoming
33:10election i think uh i think uh we we are not new to governing if you look at us we were in the
33:16government before yeah and when we were in the government before that's why then we had done quite
33:24well in managing the crisis and we have revived the country in very short period of time we saved millions
33:33of lives we saved millions of uh businesses small businesses we saved the country and i think uh we
33:41we rebuilt the country uh quite well before it's taken over by pakatan harapan
33:56so kalau kata you uh we will go to the to the reaction based on our track record okay and when we
34:02name tan sri mohideen as our as bersatu soul candidate for pm11 we did it based on marriage because of his
34:11experience and because of his um knowledge he he has better experience than anwar ibrahim he was in 11
34:21ministries before in comparison to anwar ibrahim only five and anwar never been in the state that
34:27was mb for one state and also if you look at the the proven track record his tenureship during the
34:38covid era and he managed to to manage that he managed to revive our country during the pandemic era and
34:48also based on study by institute kajian massa it shows that tan sri mohideen has a greater support in
34:55comparison to anwar and also zahid okay dan sri mohideen have uh 40 has 43 percent of people i mean
35:05satisfied with what he has done before in comparison to anwar only 33 and zahid 15 percent okay and for
35:13candidate for the next uh premiership dan sri mohideen also has a better ratings okay he has i think 33 percent
35:22support from the people uh from the people i remember him only um 20 plus and zahid only 14 something like
35:29that 40 percent okay so yeah but like the people on the ground yeah do you think you guys really have
35:38the vote of the people i think people and do they really want tan sri mohideen like yeah i think
35:45if you check we are in crisis right now the party or the country the country the country the country
35:52the country is a crisis economic crisis uh we have a cost of living crisis yes we have
36:00debt country's debt crisis already surpassed 1.3 million more than 65 percent of our our
36:07our gdp and so we we cannot simply try and error okay we cannot simply macam dulu lah macam pakatan
36:15harapan they want anwar to become the prime minister saja nak cuba-cuba because pakatan harapan
36:21never been in government before and so look what's happening now okay the country is not getting any
36:27better but getting worse so that's the reason why we named tan sri mohideen uh during our uh general
36:35election the general agm because we want uh we we act responsibly uh to give a candidate that suits
36:44the condition of the country right now okay and based on his experience based on his knowledge
36:49and proven track i think he can handle the crisis that we are facing right now okay
36:54that took we have to end because like dah lama i know right but i'd love to invite you to come
37:03again okay okay we can have like an umno info chief pkr info chief we can have like a whole
37:09discussion together ahead of elections that sounds really good right okay so okay i'm looking forward
37:16for that pkr info chief to the people what do you have to say to the people yeah i think uh
37:32right now uh perikatan national is their best hope the best bet from the for the people okay in sabah
37:39and also for malaysia okay so i hope uh we can be given another chance to lead the country and we'll
37:45prove what we can do for the country and confirm like you'll solve all your internal issues right now
37:50yeah we are doing it we are doing it give us time i think we are doing it calmly based on our
37:56constitution based on our regulation okay and it will resolve soon insyaAllah next week i follow up
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