What lies ahead for MCA, MIC and Barisan Nasional as Malaysia’s political landscape continues to shift?
In this episode of Top News Podcast, we sit down with Former MCA Vice-President Datuk Seri Ti Lian Ker for an unfiltered conversation about the crossroads facing some of the country’s most established parties.
Sprinkle that with some current issues happening the nation - let's talk about survival, reform and the future of Malaysia’s political alliances - only on Sinar Daily's Top News Podcast.
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In this episode of Top News Podcast, we sit down with Former MCA Vice-President Datuk Seri Ti Lian Ker for an unfiltered conversation about the crossroads facing some of the country’s most established parties.
Sprinkle that with some current issues happening the nation - let's talk about survival, reform and the future of Malaysia’s political alliances - only on Sinar Daily's Top News Podcast.
#TopNewsPodcast #TiLianKer #MCA #MIC #BarisanNasional #UnityGovernment #SabahElection #Madani2025 #MalaysiaPolitics #SinarDaily
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00:00:00Hello everyone! Hi! It's Tasim Lokman, the editor of SinarDaily and today I am with Dato Sri Tilyanko.
00:00:18Hi Dato Sri. Yes, hello. Thank you for inviting me here.
00:00:24Hello, hello. Hi guys, so today we're gonna be talking about BN's fate, Barisan National, Barisan National is BN, BN's fate and also MCA's relevancy with Dato Sri Tilyanko.
00:00:40Are you good Dato Sri? I'm good, I'm just thinking where to start and what to say about BN and MCA.
00:00:47Because like MCA, MIC, BN, UMNO is like probably the biggest news happening right now these days because is BN leave, is BN gonna be disrupted?
00:00:58BN akan musnah ke? Is MCA gonna be flying to Perikatan National? MIC going to be going to PN?
00:01:06So, before we start, actually we're gonna start with that, we're gonna start with that. Where does MCA stand when it comes to BN?
00:01:16I think we should be more interested in what does BN stands for.
00:01:21Okay.
00:01:22The BN practice, the political culture, the convention, political convention and we must also know what has BN contribute besides the hype up and the gutter politics about BN corrupted.
00:01:41Okay.
00:01:42I think corruption is not about Barisan National, corruption is our political ecosystem, our administrative ecosystem, our culture itself.
00:01:52Okay.
00:01:53We need to, it's a different root problem.
00:01:55So, coming back to Barisan National, Barisan National has managed to bring, it is a continuation, the legacy of alliance.
00:02:04Yes.
00:02:05It brings the Chinese, Indians and Malays together, get independence.
00:02:09People say don't talk about history.
00:02:10But you must understand how this alliance get about Tunku Abdul Rahman, Tuan Tan Chin Lok, Tuan Zambantan.
00:02:20They can sit down despite the division among Malay because there was a clear divide and rule by the British administration.
00:02:29So, to bring these three race who don't interact, who are suspicious of one another, who has unseen enmity and distrust together.
00:02:40Yeah.
00:02:41So, that is the spirit of Barisan Alliance continued by Barisan National after May 13.
00:02:46Yes.
00:02:47And giving us 60 years of harmony.
00:02:50But along the way, some leaders failed the nation.
00:02:53Okay.
00:02:54Along the way, some, but once you failed leaders come and go, just remove them.
00:02:59So, we must have a system that will reduce.
00:03:02But what I'm trying to say is, we can replace Barisan National, like Barisan National replaced alliance.
00:03:08But now, what I'm trying to say is, where are we heading to?
00:03:12Yeah.
00:03:13Now, people are confused.
00:03:14People are lost.
00:03:15People are talking about, on an ad hoc basis.
00:03:19We are doing firefighting.
00:03:21We are doing propagandas.
00:03:23We are doing social media, social influencing of the minds of the people.
00:03:27But we are not going to the truth of the matter.
00:03:30Okay.
00:03:31What's the truth?
00:03:32The truth of the matter, this country, the corruption level is high.
00:03:37Okay.
00:03:38It's still there.
00:03:39It's very difficult to prove corruption.
00:03:42And this country, we become very manipulative, a hoc in action.
00:03:48Okay.
00:03:49We become very target, very partisan.
00:03:51If you talk to the people, they are not interested in the truth.
00:03:53They are interested to see which party, what party, where MCA go, where MSC go.
00:03:58MCA, MSC can come and go.
00:03:59People can form new parties.
00:04:01But more importantly is, where do we go from here after talking about reform?
00:04:08That reform actually becomes a deform.
00:04:12Okay.
00:04:13The whole structure is like reformation of our educational system.
00:04:18In the past, the educational system was good, trusted, and embraced by everybody.
00:04:24But we destroy it.
00:04:26Yeah.
00:04:27When we destroy it, we try to keep on.
00:04:29Every new education minister come in and try and error new policies, new narrative.
00:04:34But in the end, the whole educational policy system has been deformed.
00:04:40So it's very difficult to go back to where were we.
00:04:43But if I want to say that, many people are going to be unhappy.
00:04:47But this is what I'm saying.
00:04:49It must be straight from the heart.
00:04:51What is the problem?
00:04:52Then we agreed on the problem first.
00:04:54So the country's problem right now is corruption, right?
00:04:56The country has a lot of problems.
00:04:58Okay.
00:04:59What are the top five problems of the country right now?
00:05:02Firstly, the government is not strong.
00:05:04Okay.
00:05:05Or the government is seen to be strong.
00:05:07But the government has no political view.
00:05:10Okay.
00:05:11So it's like DAP.
00:05:12They are the strongest party now after promising so many reform.
00:05:15Now they are blaming it.
00:05:16We cannot do anything because APNO is there.
00:05:18So underground, they still give a punch.
00:05:22As if APNO is a liability.
00:05:25APNO is the cause of all problems.
00:05:27But APNO has also provided a lot of solution for the country.
00:05:30Okay.
00:05:31And APNO leaders have been very progressive.
00:05:33You don't pick on individuals.
00:05:35You don't pick on a narrative during perhimpunan.
00:05:39This is what they are doing now on PASS.
00:05:42So what we should be interested is what is this party about?
00:05:46What is their political philosophy?
00:05:48What are their promises?
00:05:50Now nobody is talking about promises because the promises are meant to be broken.
00:05:54And this is accepted.
00:05:55You can promise anything.
00:05:57Once you are in power, you can forget everything.
00:05:59So that is our problem.
00:06:01We are not honest enough.
00:06:03We are not steadfast.
00:06:05We are not dignified.
00:06:07We keep on giving, seeking excuses.
00:06:10And we also, our own supporters become apologists for things which are not done.
00:06:15And I think this is all wrong.
00:06:17Similarly, corruption.
00:06:19Corruption is bad.
00:06:21And if you want to eradicate corruption, the first thing we have to do is the local government election must be reintroduced.
00:06:30Because the practice of corruption is very rampant on the local government level.
00:06:37Because they are direct about licensing, business control, monitoring, and then this enforcement, etc.
00:06:46I think a lot of little traders, small traders, paid their way through for license.
00:06:52And then when we appoint local councils by politicians, you are perpetuating the political system of return and then buying in.
00:07:06Okay.
00:07:07So, we need, we need to go to all this.
00:07:10So, then we cover it up by saying, oh, we cannot have local government because the Malays are sensitive.
00:07:15Then we solve the problem.
00:07:17If the Malays are sensitive, we have a quota.
00:07:19Okay.
00:07:20We come up with solutions.
00:07:23And then if we cannot, then we try out.
00:07:26Maybe Taling Jaya, Ipoh, dulu.
00:07:29Okay.
00:07:30Then we let the Malays see.
00:07:31Or this election, the local government election, which was promised in the party manifesto, which the people voted for, can be introduced.
00:07:40Okay.
00:07:41We just have a quota for the, make sure that, you can, it was Yang Ni Putra, make sure it's a Malay.
00:07:46Yeah.
00:07:47It's not.
00:07:48So, I think if we can recognize Bumi Putra Kata in education, we can also recognize Bumi Putra.
00:07:54Huh?
00:07:55Yeah.
00:07:56That's the Bumi Putra quota, right?
00:07:57Yeah.
00:07:58Then you solve all the problems.
00:07:59Yeah.
00:08:00Because now you are using an excuse.
00:08:01You are saying that the Malays are sensitive.
00:08:02Yeah.
00:08:03So, straight away do away.
00:08:04But this is something which is in the heart of everybody who voted DAP.
00:08:09Okay.
00:08:10Because a lot of people suffered corrupted practice.
00:08:13Huh?
00:08:14Little Napoleons.
00:08:15Huh?
00:08:16But they cannot report because they want, it affects their livelihood.
00:08:19Yeah.
00:08:20Huh?
00:08:21And they are not going to be the bad guy to fight corruption.
00:08:22It's like, huh?
00:08:23You go there.
00:08:24Sacrifice lah.
00:08:25You will be sacrificed.
00:08:26Huh?
00:08:27Because you become the, you become the problem.
00:08:29Yeah.
00:08:30Huh?
00:08:31You are not solving the problem, you become the problem.
00:08:32Yeah.
00:08:33Because the action taken on you, not on the problem.
00:08:35Yes.
00:08:36And the focus will be on you.
00:08:37Yeah.
00:08:38Then they will come out.
00:08:39They will magnify all your little problems.
00:08:40Yeah.
00:08:41And you become the problematic guy.
00:08:42Right.
00:08:43Yeah.
00:08:44So, many people don't want to be the, orang cakap, oh, we are pejuang and all that.
00:08:49Because the, our culture is still very feudal.
00:08:53Okay.
00:08:54It's still very patronage based.
00:08:55Yes.
00:08:56So, once you have, orang cakap, mau pukul aja, tengok tuan dia.
00:09:00Uh-huh.
00:09:01Uh-huh.
00:09:02Uh-huh.
00:09:03So, the, back to, the spirit of Barisan National.
00:09:07It can be in a new, if, if, up no NDP wants to form a new, uh, platform.
00:09:16Uh-huh.
00:09:17Say it out loud.
00:09:18Okay.
00:09:19We want a new platform.
00:09:20We are going to, uh, transform into, you know, no longer.
00:09:23Well, don't try to use the Barisan National concept.
00:09:26Okay.
00:09:27Push MCA out.
00:09:28DAP keep on taunting.
00:09:29MCA building nak keluar.
00:09:30Um, MIC building nak keluar.
00:09:32Because DAP is waiting to jump into the marital bed of up no.
00:09:35Okay.
00:09:36Because DAP is desperate, really.
00:09:38So, it's all about political needs.
00:09:40It's all about ag hoc.
00:09:41DAP is desperately wanting to buy in Malaysia.
00:09:44Because they know, only by buying in Malaysia, they can perpetuate their power, their presence
00:09:50in the government, be part of the government.
00:09:53So, this is the problem.
00:09:55But if like that, they cannot use the excuse of UMNO controlling the narrative.
00:09:58That is underground.
00:09:59That is underground.
00:10:00Oh, excuses.
00:10:01So, I, eh, bukan saya tak mahu bini tak kasih lah.
00:10:05Ah.
00:10:06It's something like that.
00:10:07Yeah.
00:10:08So, I think this is all very, very, uh, unhealthy.
00:10:12Okay.
00:10:13I'm not honest.
00:10:14Dulu sebelum coming into power, we talk about democracy, transparency, accountability.
00:10:20All these words now, doesn't ring a bell anymore.
00:10:23Okay.
00:10:24People don't even want to talk about it.
00:10:25Because orang sudah hilang kepercayaan.
00:10:28They have lost their confidence.
00:10:30So, even, I think we have to go back to politics, political worker, healthy politics.
00:10:38What is right, is right.
00:10:40What is wrong, is wrong.
00:10:41What is politically correct.
00:10:42Yeah.
00:10:43If, if the perception is this, is wrong.
00:10:45It's not populist.
00:10:46It's not popular.
00:10:47You have to correct people, educate people.
00:10:50Like GST.
00:10:51A lot of people agree that it is correct, but because it has been politically hyped up as a wrong system.
00:11:00Yes.
00:11:01So, now nobody wants to admit they are wrong.
00:11:03Yeah.
00:11:04So, you keep covering up.
00:11:05And now we are ending up paying the people.
00:11:08The riot is paying more tax.
00:11:10Yes.
00:11:11The situation is getting higher.
00:11:12Yes.
00:11:13Everything is being taxed.
00:11:14And people are complaining.
00:11:15Yeah.
00:11:16But at the same time, I met a lot of business people.
00:11:18Yeah.
00:11:19I'm paying more, much, much more tax.
00:11:21Why is this happening?
00:11:22But what to do?
00:11:23This government, I, I, I support one.
00:11:25Huh?
00:11:26Because it's like, I already picked this government.
00:11:29So, people resign to it.
00:11:30And they don't want to admit that they have made a mistake.
00:11:34So, we need to do away with partisan politics.
00:11:37Forget about MCA.
00:11:38Forget about MIC.
00:11:39Forget about BN.
00:11:40Forget about DAP.
00:11:41We talk about what is right is right.
00:11:44Forget about Malay.
00:11:45Forget about Chinese or Indian.
00:11:46We must think what is right.
00:11:48Do what is right for the country, for the people, for the nation, and for the future.
00:11:53But is the government promoting this?
00:11:57I cannot speak on behalf of the government.
00:11:59Are you promoting this?
00:12:00Is your party promoting this?
00:12:01Is your party promoting this?
00:12:02My party is a supporter of the government.
00:12:04That's why I say, the party must first, because we are so critical of the present government.
00:12:09Every day you can see MCA attacking the government.
00:12:12Yeah.
00:12:13So, why not just draw a line?
00:12:15No, we are not with the government.
00:12:17We are still with BN.
00:12:18Because we believe in the present national concept.
00:12:20We believe in the spirit of the present nation.
00:12:22We believe in the political convention, political good practices.
00:12:26Not the corrupted practices.
00:12:28Not the corrupted practices.
00:12:29It's corrupted one.
00:12:30Catch them.
00:12:31By all means, arrest them.
00:12:33So, we have to clean up the house.
00:12:35So, but unfortunately, all these are not happening.
00:12:39And the government of the day today is a government who has two-third majority.
00:12:44But they are saying we are weak.
00:12:45Because we are just a bit of what?
00:12:50Of common interest.
00:12:51Yeah, common interest.
00:12:52Strange fellows.
00:12:53Strange fellows.
00:12:54Strange fellows.
00:12:55And I think that is again wrong.
00:12:57When you are in government, when you already got support, you must do what is right.
00:13:03Yeah.
00:13:04And you are the leader.
00:13:06You must lead and tell people.
00:13:08It's just like I'm saying saying MCA.
00:13:10If we are so unhappy with the government.
00:13:12If we feel that we have been sidelined.
00:13:14Then dissociate yourself with the government.
00:13:16Yeah.
00:13:17All you lose is the two member of the parliament.
00:13:19Yeah.
00:13:20You only lost your few million peruntukan.
00:13:22Then.
00:13:23But you must have that dignity to stand away and say, okay.
00:13:26Huh?
00:13:27I know you want to join.
00:13:28You join.
00:13:29But as a national, we still want to continue.
00:13:30Okay.
00:13:31Ha.
00:13:32But MCA, we are not supporting all.
00:13:35Apa salahnya?
00:13:37Okay.
00:13:38So, MCA, you are urging your president that MCA should start away.
00:13:42I am not deciding.
00:13:43I am saying that.
00:13:44Urging.
00:13:45The leaders must lead.
00:13:47Okay.
00:13:48They must make decisions.
00:13:50They must also give their narrative.
00:13:53They must also tell where they are heading.
00:13:55They don't have to decide today.
00:13:56I'm going to quit at the end.
00:13:57Or I'm going to quit government.
00:13:59But as a, we are going to live.
00:14:01If this, this, this is not done.
00:14:03Or this, this is cannot be compromised.
00:14:06We cannot say is that I disagree.
00:14:09But I still wants to live under your rule.
00:14:13So, because I got peruntukan.
00:14:16Maybe.
00:14:17Maybe.
00:14:18So, people will see you with a different light.
00:14:21Huh?
00:14:22So, I believe we need to make sacrifices in politics.
00:14:27And we need to stand firm.
00:14:29And that is my belief that we have to be firm after standing firm.
00:14:33We must be prepared to suffer and pursue.
00:14:37But don't be like DAP.
00:14:38They sell everything.
00:14:40Huh?
00:14:41They, they, they suffered only.
00:14:43One or two leaders suffer in the ISA.
00:14:45They continue to use it.
00:14:47They expect other people suffering like Theobing Hawk.
00:14:50Then they, they, they, they malign the MCA with gutter politics.
00:14:55Huh?
00:14:56And like, what they are trying to do with PAS.
00:14:57That's right.
00:14:58Sometimes when I speak on behalf of PAS in, in defensive, trying to be defensive.
00:15:04Not that I'm supporting PAS.
00:15:06I'm saying it's not fair to demonize them.
00:15:09Okay.
00:15:10Huh?
00:15:11Because they are also fellow humans.
00:15:12They are also a fellow party.
00:15:14They also got good people in the party.
00:15:17They got bad people in the party like anybody else.
00:15:19Okay.
00:15:20But today, we are indoctrinating the Chinese community into PAS is the taboo.
00:15:28Okay.
00:15:29And that is what I don't believe in.
00:15:31And that is what I disagree.
00:15:33I think that if PAS has things which we don't agree upon, we should engage them.
00:15:39We should try to make them understand.
00:15:41If that says they are not multi-racial in the PAS, you say, okay, this is all.
00:15:45Come back to Palestine national concept.
00:15:47So anybody can adopt Palestine national concept.
00:15:51Huh?
00:15:52Consensus.
00:15:53Meaning even you are a minority, you have a right to veto any decisions.
00:15:58Okay.
00:15:59That is race-based or that is unfavorable.
00:16:03And if you look at the constitution, this whole country, we started with tolerance.
00:16:08Nowadays, there is no tolerance.
00:16:10Even you put the flag upside down, people go for the queue.
00:16:13You know, because the expert is all about politics today.
00:16:16Yeah.
00:16:17It's all about politics.
00:16:18But if you look at the constitution, I always say, when the Malays feel insecure.
00:16:22Because those days, the Malays are very backward.
00:16:26Okay.
00:16:27There are certain provisions given to make them secure.
00:16:30Yeah.
00:16:31And even the Majis Raja-Raja is not Majis Raja-Raja Melayu.
00:16:35Yeah.
00:16:36Abno was the one who make it a race, Majis Raja-Raja Melayu.
00:16:38It's only Majis Raja-Raja, council of rulers.
00:16:41And council of rulers supposed to take care of not only the Malays, but even the native,
00:16:47Karjazan, Chinese, Indians.
00:16:49And their culture must be respected.
00:16:51Yeah.
00:16:52Their practice must adapt.
00:16:54So all these are forgotten.
00:16:56Now people don't even refer to the constitution.
00:16:58Everything is about politics.
00:17:00And I think we are very screwed up.
00:17:02Okay.
00:17:03If everything is about politics, because politicians, most of them are opportunists.
00:17:07They are just, they go by political feasibility, opportunity and feasibility.
00:17:14That's why today DAP can embrace Abno.
00:17:16Yeah.
00:17:17And, but I'm not still a large part of Abno against it.
00:17:22They are not happy.
00:17:23They cannot swallow this.
00:17:24It is Marwah.
00:17:25Orang Melayu.
00:17:26Okay.
00:17:27To them.
00:17:28Because DAP has demonized Abno for too many years.
00:17:32So I think that is something is real.
00:17:34You know, so if that is the case.
00:17:35If DAP wanted to re-embrace Abno with, with, with, with, dengan keikhlasan, with sincerity.
00:17:42They must first apologize the past political narrative.
00:17:46And not try to cover, oh we got newness narrative.
00:17:48That's not my meaning, you are, you are, you tipu dulu.
00:17:51Sekarang you juga tipu.
00:17:52Tapi you tipu lain.
00:17:53Yeah.
00:17:54So then you, you can continue to go on lying.
00:17:57So I think this is very wrong.
00:17:58I'm not attacking DAP.
00:17:59But this is what I sincerely believe.
00:18:01Because in the past, I am also seeing that.
00:18:02in the past I am also sympathetic to the AP I read time bomb but after having gaining political
00:18:10wisdom I called your bluff there are certain things which is all politically motivated and
00:18:17I think we need to do away with this political motivation we need to do away with this party
00:18:22past MCA MIC yes they are party but we must take them to to task what is your party representing
00:18:31why is your leader saying this if you're not happy Ustaz Hadi why is your leader saying this we don't
00:18:37agree with what he is saying and we feel we are hurt so when you express all this but today
00:18:43it's three ah semua tak boleh cakap again it's not healthy there is no conversation there is no
00:18:48if there is no conversation there is no solution there is no solution there's no meeting of mind
00:18:54there's no understanding how does this country come about it's through conversation yeah between UMNO
00:19:00MCA and MIC and I think a lot of conversation has been done that's why we can even come up with a
00:19:07framework constitution written our constitution is a masterpiece it should be it is so well written
00:19:15and if you see what is your problem if you go back to constitution there's a solution
00:19:19but today people are disregarding the constitution people are using the constitution
00:19:24like they're using the Quran they pick on one one one one one one one then they just go blah blah blah blah blah blah
00:19:30blah blah and I think these people are all human huh they have the devil in them they are not angels
00:19:39sorry to see you say that but okay okay okay okay okay but we go back to the original question
00:19:45is MCA and I guess MIC going to berkata national and leaving barisan national
00:19:52MICA has postured they are ready to live okay and I think they have also sent out
00:19:59fillers they have political postures okay
00:20:03MCA apa pun tada pass it to the grassroot pass it to the grassroot but even then they are not happy they
00:20:10don't say they're not happy that's why people don't respect MCA okay huh if you are not happy with the
00:20:15present government you said we are not happy you're not happy when up no sideline you totally in the past
00:20:21six election you must say i'm not happy yeah but media macam you MCA leader i'm a past leader i'm still a
00:20:30division leader but i cannot overrule the central okay i cannot overrule president and i also have to follow
00:20:37party discipline you need a lot of money in politics you need to work probably hard and you need to have
00:20:46be young and energetic i have contributed enough to the party and to the people and to what i believe in
00:20:54for from 2008 to 2008 to 2005 about 20 years i didn't stand in any party in any election okay but i still
00:21:07survive yeah i am still around i'm still speaking and then many people are still referring me to talk
00:21:13because i asked you why i want to retire no because you say things which people want you need to want
00:21:20to say but they're not saying so but as i brand new so i jadi i put connect sensors about now got three
00:21:27r i put up more gonna tank up for and for the 20 years if you just google my name i say many things i fight
00:21:33with um no i fight with past i fight with everybody but the things i'm fighting on are on issues yeah
00:21:40not on personal abilities etc even within the party i fight for issues so i think people like me
00:21:48hang nadim culture is is is not there it's not enough and in politics the good man never wins
00:21:56the bad man rules there is some people who aspire to the politicians about it now i am saying it in
00:22:02in politics the good man no one always that's why the story of hang nadim come in uh-huh okay it's
00:22:08because we are still very few okay uh we if you want i i think uh there's many things that it's all about
00:22:17culture value system okay fear in god huh not the pun saya takut saya insyaallah belakang saya buat lain
00:22:26you know i think there's a lot of hypocrisy in politics and and then more so in malaysian politics
00:22:32we are going on political expediency okay this is something which i have always disagree we should
00:22:38go on political correctness okay not political experience what is correct and we must be brave enough
00:22:43to speak up and stand up for correctness political correctness i think this is not the culture
00:22:48so i i don't want to oversell because i always tell okay okay okay you talked about uh feudal system
00:22:55right what about the political parties in barisan national is mca is mic is um no very feudalistic
00:23:01right now how do we like how do they sorry i'm not in the parties how do they how do you guys like your
00:23:08leaders i think the the every party got their system okay like for example dap they elect their
00:23:14central delegates they know their central committee the central committee elect the second and then
00:23:20everybody so so just is very authoritarian okay authoritarian so that's why the link can control
00:23:27the party for many years because all the 25 central committee he needs just to have
00:23:32to the authority and to the out of 25 i can't i control eight personal i control the party forever
00:23:38so people who i don't like i slowly li lam tai all this one by one i can remove them and every time
00:23:45is example you antagonize me i will remove you so that is one political system okay in name of democracy
00:23:52but it's very authoritarian so back to i'm no mca mca i'm no and mca used to have perwakilan that central
00:24:00delegates the century they get two thousand two thousand plus or three thousand who will vote for
00:24:05their leaders from president down to the central committees deputy all that and these delegates are
00:24:11people who are in the know people who are politically literate people who are politically aware people who
00:24:18are political conscious they wake up they talk about politics these newspapers but now in the name of
00:24:25democracy we enlarge our delegates to 30 000 i'm no and large bigger yeah but out of that the voting
00:24:35system the division voted for the president and a committee but your words will be known so that is
00:24:43against democracy okay democracy is what should be the spirit of democracy the word should be confidential
00:24:50two you are asking 30 000 division delegates and this division again a lot of the branches they cannot
00:24:57even find they will put in their brothers sisters there are people they know there because people don't
00:25:03fight to be their division so even so in in a lot of husbands and wives yeah so a lot of it again
00:25:10patronage it's not democracy democracy in name but patronize so the division chairman when they receive
00:25:16uh instruction or menu to work for so and so if they don't work for it it will be seen and these
00:25:22divisions and men need to buy the president yeah yeah they need to buy the center so it in name that
00:25:28democracy has been enlarged to a bigger number in practice that is not less democratic because these
00:25:34people are like the most of them they are they don't even know who the candidates are okay does it apply to
00:25:41mca also the prize in mca many of the delegates who is who they don't know okay and the menu will
00:25:49come okay this menu is uh it's a practice so when the menu comes the division chairman or the branch
00:25:56chairman will tell the delegates to work for so and then the division so it's not a healthy practice
00:26:01to me it happens so i'm not saying that oh this is happening everywhere but it happens it could happen
00:26:08everywhere yeah huh so macam mana how are we supposed to get actual leaders of everything so the central
00:26:14delegate to me the central delegate system is a more correct system because these people who choose
00:26:20they are they know okay they identify they understand they know they follow so it's all right it's like
00:26:27china if you allow china democracy the whole system will collapse why china only 2 000 delegates
00:26:33yeah because this 2000 knows the happening of the country what the nation needs what the people
00:26:39hey literate yes they are politically literate yeah our problem is today is we are allowing political
00:26:47illiterates to make decisions oh my god i i i won't say they are illiterate i say they are laymen
00:26:52maybe they they don't practice politics but they are there because they are so and so
00:26:57so that's why i i believe in muda huh i i even adjusted to some of my friends who get frustrated
00:27:06go to muda not about today okay but for future so i i think muda with young people you can sell ideas you
00:27:15can be more idealistic okay you can be more pure and i think that's a good start but today i idealism doesn't
00:27:23sell yeah people are very realistic yes realism sells yes if you say idealism sells psrm should be getting
00:27:32some some some elect because they are really for psm they are really for the people they're really for
00:27:38the environment and you can see their leaders are very very passionate but they cannot win any election
00:27:44so if you see hassan karim formerly from psrpsm yeah so you can see that he is still very he is in pkr
00:27:52but he is still continuing the dna i think political dna is very important yeah huh how how you are
00:28:00brought up between your family and how what you are it is it determines huh you're upbringing yeah so okay so mca
00:28:11relevan ke tak lagi dalam uh political scene the chinese are being marginalized okay today in the past
00:28:21the uh any prime minister were asked what the chinese want because you need the chinese support to continue
00:28:28to be the prime minister it's like mahathir after malay dilemma when you become prime minister he start
00:28:32buying in chinese and because he buys in chinese he actually make a lot of liberal uh live more liberal more open
00:28:40decisions okay he actually accommodate the chinese more that's why in 1999 when anwar very popular
00:28:46among the malays the malays swing for anwar mahathir managed to survive because the chinese still
00:28:51supported mahathir that is one one part so mca relevant or not relevant depends a lot on the chinese
00:29:00are they still interested you have chinese identity chinese name chinese language or they still believe
00:29:06or they need their own space their own rights like malay got special rights the chinese also they want
00:29:11the special needs so if you think that you have a special need you do you believe that the malay mps
00:29:18malay leaders understand what the chinese wants so if you think that they understand you can trust them
00:29:24then support whichever malay leaders which is what is happening the chinese are going to persatu going to
00:29:30amana going to pass you know so but by and large the chinese still believe that the government servant
00:29:38do not understand their needs the small medium industry has special needs they have their problems so the
00:29:44chinese news still needs a party to represent them they still need some people to speak on their behalf
00:29:49courageously speak out so mcau in the past used to whisper because we are so powerful we sit next to the
00:29:57prime minister yeah now kanan kiri belakang you don't get a chinese so why is it sitting next to the
00:30:05princess is important because many issues or things which are tabled suddenly it could be sensitive
00:30:12you just have to whisper to the chair and it can be postponed but if you don't whisper or you speak out
00:30:18you start fighting you don't want to be antagonistic sometimes the things are passed through okay because
00:30:24people buy in everybody wants to be the good guy yeah i i have been in committee before i have been
00:30:30discussion before nobody today this guy can say oh against alcohol etc but tomorrow he could be joining
00:30:40somebody to drink yeah so i think there's a lot of hypocrisy in our culture and i think one of the biggest
00:30:49problem about it's not about raswa it's about hypocrisy okay i think we need to have a more
00:30:56truthful honest courageous upright people and we must speak beyond the race facade the religion facade and
00:31:07when you say this right it makes it look like the chinese people are the chinese community are not going
00:31:12to dap are they not they're going to dap because they believe in dap dap have made so many promises
00:31:18for so many years and dap has actually uh uh practiced gutter politics for so long okay if you want to go
00:31:25and talk about it they say don't talk about it now but if we need to talk about history then we know why and
00:31:31how so in the past dap has back mouth i'm not so much zahid so much yeah today is nothing yeah so dap is
00:31:42strong because of the propaganda and the other thing is the chinese feels victimized by the system
00:31:50they blame it on mca and the chinese things dap can make a difference and dap make promise them
00:31:55ubah okay but today now dap is in there the chinese can see that there is no ubah but things are
00:32:03getting worse a lot of their problems they don't know who to speak to because dap will say i'm a
00:32:07multi-racial party yeah you cannot speak even the one is there i'm not chinese so the chinese are
00:32:13beginning to get a awakening is there but awakening will also take time people are quite stubborn and
00:32:19obstinate they don't want to acknowledge and admit that they make a mistake okay that is human behavior
00:32:24though that's why if you ask the experts they say to take another two terms one or two terms
00:32:28for for words to come back to them to mc yeah i think because revenge political revenge take place
00:32:35people who bear a grudge against the they will bear against the party now you can see a lot of on dap
00:32:43now you can see that people don't talk they don't romance dap the way they romance them okay it's like dap
00:32:50no longer romance the moon huh nowadays they say the moon is it's red in color the moon is green it's no
00:32:56longer so i think things change but this is all about politics and it's all about political education
00:33:04our country the biggest problem is we are political gossipers we are not political scientists and we need
00:33:13more political literacy and we need more political narrative and we need to call out the political
00:33:19bluff okay that's so serious sounds serious but it's not easy to achieve yeah but this has to be said
00:33:28hey it has to be propagated to make people more very more very of politicians don't believe party per se okay
00:33:36okay like i don't believe in mc 100 okay but i know why what i can believe in what i cannot believe
00:33:42what i can carry out what i cannot similarly i don't believe up no 100 percent i fight with them when
00:33:49they are they when they go overboard yeah huh but people see me as a trouble maker i am not a trouble
00:33:55maker i am like hassan karim i believe in certain values and i think these values need to be uh need to be
00:34:05upheld upheld okay okay since we're talking about a little bit of politics and semua i want to ask you
00:34:11so there's a lot of talk of najib possibly serving his remainder uh for house arrest under house arrest um
00:34:20as a person who is in barsa national right what's your take on this situation if najib
00:34:27that was free najib does get out of prison for house arrest like what's gonna
00:34:34is there any is there going to be any changes because we both know that mcaa and mic are very
00:34:40why do you keep on go on to the party let me let me talk about what najib's case
00:34:46najib's case is about rule of law okay whether the evidence is there it is there whether it's
00:34:52constitutional okay whether it has to be complied with so if we don't that that is actually this
00:35:00it's actually going against the law okay so nobody wants to talk about the law nobody wants to talk
00:35:06about the existence we have to go to court to find out the existence so there's many issues there what
00:35:11mcaa and barisan national believe in is not important anymore because they are not the dominant government
00:35:18okay okay huh yeah you i'm not used to be the uh orang cakap the the tulang belakang yeah i'm not it
00:35:24becomes now 20 over uh uh member of parliament oh they they they have to back the ap to come to to
00:35:32to embrace them to get them in so it is a different story and the end if you talk about mcaa and mic is not
00:35:40relevant you can also say say um no is because of irrelevant to the malays that's why whatever
00:35:45they are saying they misread the malays many malays disagree when akma went on the on the on the
00:35:52tyrant malays don't agree many of my military friends they turn off so but i'm not don't realize
00:35:58so i'm no mca and mse need to know the market today is different no longer melayu adalah up no i'm
00:36:08melayu hari ini melayu berani membuat keputusan sendiri berdasarkan prinsip dasar dan kepercayaan okay so
00:36:18this is something which back to najib we have to be fair to we just talk everybody rule of law we cannot
00:36:27mocktah hasim even murder he is what but uh so if it is it is it is that it is what it has to be enforced we
00:36:36don't drag or manipulate so hiding the adenum is wrong okay so that is a form of manipulation and
00:36:44is doing injustice to an old man in jail okay because the last part of his time he could be out of
00:36:50jail you don't uh we don't want to see our past prime minister uh justice to him and if he has to go
00:37:00in the circumstances which is not fair okay so this is not political this is about the rule of law okay
00:37:10so do you think when he if he by the time he comes out he he has he only has one more year to serve
00:37:17kind uh he'll be out by this time next year if the other than the other if the case is not if he doesn't go
00:37:24house arrest okay do you think he will make he will be the game changer for the upcoming election even
00:37:31though he can't contest that's that's why people are are saying there are manipulations you drag him
00:37:37drag drag drag drag because the election coming so people are stuck those critical might start saying
00:37:43whether it is conscious whether there is uh uh uh there is a high what a strong arm tactics
00:37:50etc there are manipulations because najib could be a factor yeah in the next election okay oh whether
00:37:58najib is a factor in the upno but itself so uh so if it is because of politics all this uh
00:38:11all this strong it's not if we fear if we believe in the constitution we believe in the law
00:38:18we believe in god then we have to call it out it's wrong okay because if that can be done on the past
00:38:24prime minister it can be done on many many other people yeah so we are not upholding the rule of law
00:38:29and when we are not upholding the law we are calling the rule of the jungle to come into play and today
00:38:35najib could be a victim tomorrow somebody else could be a victim and then tomorrow you could disappear
00:38:40and there is no law to protect you so i think we should be more concerned of the rule of law okay and in
00:38:46the past everything is all uphold the rule of law now nobody talk about the rule of law you realize
00:38:52that yeah so it's the big comparison okay something is very wrong i i don't i in this short while i
00:39:00cannot give the answer and i also cannot give the answer because i didn't do enough research okay
00:39:04but i'm calling out something is very wrong and the people should be concerned because what can happen to
00:39:14somebody in power can happen many things can happen to people who are weak okay wow okay yeah you're
00:39:21right okay so before we go into the next half of the conversations oh it's happening i thought so it's
00:39:28over okay how has their performance been if you if you go to the ground people are not happy okay the
00:39:45prices are going up the promise uh uh free tool is not there uh petrol subsidy is gone so and people
00:39:56cannot understand why we don't have this problem during najib's time and then why are we having all this
00:40:04problem so the narrative that all i semua salah on mdb people also so i think there's a lot of issues
00:40:14that need to be taken okay but then again many people are still very sentimental many people are still
00:40:22the ap supporter lawyers loyalists so it's like a religion but you always talk about the ap what
00:40:28about that i think bkr don't have entrenched supporters they have they started bkr started with
00:40:36many indian supporters okay in rough huh and when anwar the right started that time but when they
00:40:43did during the party election the indian realized that they cannot get the hope a lot of party posts they
00:40:48lost okay then a lot of indians are disappointed they left that's why you see many people leaving pkr
00:40:54but if you check the ap history who has left the ap except for being those people who are not in
00:41:00in line to the limb dynasty okay so that's a different story so you are talking about you cannot compare
00:41:08it's an apple and orange thing okay so i'm going to be into i prefer to go into details okay but details cannot
00:41:16be done and people are not interested in details because it's boring okay so sometimes cut short to
00:41:21cut the story short so what is this short story about about the support and the performance of madani
00:41:32the short story is uh people are not happy okay people are not happy and i think the government knows
00:41:38that that's why they're coming out trying to come out with populist uh uh gestures like 100 ringgit to
00:41:43everybody but we are wasting a lot of time we are creating a lot of 400 ringgit worth i think there is a
00:42:00lot of something is not right okay and and if it's not of giving welfare even you i if i give welfare it has to
00:42:09be target orientated and it has to to resolve a problem huh not to please just to please a policing
00:42:18gesture you think do you think the madani government right now is targeting the youth to for i think
00:42:25they are targeting everybody okay they will sell apple to people who want to eat apple you sell orange to
00:42:30people who want to eat bananas okay okay okay okay okay okay okay i think it's enough apple orange and
00:42:43bananas okay okay okay um okay so moving forward we have the sabah state elections coming up and then we're
00:42:54going to be having the joho state elections melaka state elections and also sarawak state elections
00:43:00before g before the general elections are basically right so um what's your do you already smell the
00:43:09elections coming we forget people says a good leader think of the next generation okay but every day our
00:43:20leaders are talking about the next election yeah nobody is talking about next generation
00:43:27and now we are more focused in sabah then after that melaka that joho and every time leaders will be
00:43:33mobilizing uh discharging their duty responsibility towards an election and that is why this country is
00:43:41not heading anywhere similarly i'm talking about when i say mca we must have a direction we must be
00:43:47berani berani berani cakap we start from ground zero okay mca on its own balakong we do it in balakong
00:43:53we did it we still with bm because we believe in bn but we stood on our own that is a good start okay
00:43:59but you must then tell people what mca stands for we stand for multiculturalism multi-linguism
00:44:06we spend we believe in the multi-racial system and culture but we also want people to know that
00:44:12there is a sizable number of chinese population who has their needs their problems their political
00:44:20obstacles dilema they have been bullied they have been victimized in certain don't let them keep
00:44:26in the heart and then be learn just provoke or inside a bit oh they got they go around getting
00:44:37desert about it so back to sabah sabah even sabah and sarah is different that's what
00:44:44it's beautiful about malaysia malaysia is multi-ethnic multi-culture and we are multi-political that's why
00:44:50those days when dap tried to say we want a two-party system we cannot let brysan nationals be so strong
00:44:55vote for us i said we are multi-party system now we are so fragmented the pmx today has two-third
00:45:05majority support but he acts like he is leaving working on the edge sekejap jaga akno sekejap jaga dap sekejap jaga asabah
00:45:15so it's all taking buying in taking care when maharaday has two-third majority he makes decisions
00:45:23yeah reform structural reform constitutional reform right or wrong but he makes decision so you can see
00:45:31pmx and mahathir what's the difference mahathir leads pmx adopt mahathir's political playbook but i
00:45:41think a lot what he does is what mahathir has been doing 3r is equivalent to mahathir sensitive issues
00:45:46those days that's what i say when this is so many things are covered up many people are pushed and
00:45:52then actions taken persecuted how even social media like my youth chairman in bahang
00:45:59she just makes some criticism why was she single out one time two times so to me mahathir's playbook of
00:46:06persecution operasi ladang has been adopted so these are all politics but i don't want to say too much
00:46:13because i happily out of active politics but i want to be a commentator i want to call up the bluff and i
00:46:21want to stop the political play so i will still do play my role but i don't want to get into trouble
00:46:27i'm not standing for any election for since 2008 for about 20 years i don't stand for any election but i
00:46:33survive i continue to talk huh but i think people like me is uh we are the last of the mohicans i think
00:46:44we are losing it i'm not saying that i'm 60 over i'm still very idealistic okay huh that's why i make
00:46:51a lot of enemies because i i i have my idealism i dare to stand up and call it above i can call a cheat a
00:46:58cheat i call me because when we study in school the english system call a spit a spit yeah today
00:47:07so we must be able to call a spit a spit when i says kasyong is not leading i said kasyong
00:47:13you need to lead okay i didn't say you are not leading i said you need to leave so is it right now
00:47:18i think in this issue and it is not providing the leadership many people are frustrated what you
00:47:24should like yeah whether to stay in bed no no it's not about staying in bn actually staying
00:47:30uh not staying there is it's premature okay because we even haven't negotiated on the seat okay but the
00:47:37the direction and uh the navigation okay huh i think he is too silent okay and then the ground is very
00:47:45frustrated even though the a lot of veterans are fresh are not happy but people are just whispering nobody
00:47:52wants to say okay so you're saying it now i'm saying it and saying it and people think that i'm a
00:47:57bitch oh but i'm not bitching i don't eat bananas i don't eat orange i don't eat apple but i i will take
00:48:05rice okay okay so i'm last and i want to quote that was srinajib razak here all right apalagi china mau
00:48:12in moving forward with malaysia apa china mau is actually what is the wish list of the chinese
00:48:22okay what is the wish list we have budget 2026 coming up yes we have wish list of the malays okay
00:48:29the malays is understood because the prime minister is malay the policy maker that ketua-ketua
00:48:35jabatan they are very well understood and then a lot of our penerangan and all that so the malays
00:48:41problem are easily solved resolved and there's a political view but the chinese problem they are the
00:48:47second largest ethnic group last time and i think believe even now yeah so they they must also they must
00:48:57have they have their own special needs they have their problems okay they have their so that's why the
00:49:03constitution provide that you you must uh also protect the the the interest and the the culture
00:49:12the practice what do they want the chinese today are not the chinese of the past okay the chinese today
00:49:18you talk to uh underground chinese or they want to call them the police they want to buy the igp
00:49:26so that example example so you talk to the the the the traders
00:49:33they want to know who is the counselor you talk to the developers they want to go to penang they want
00:49:39to connect at the ap because the ap minister is minister housing okay so so banyak cerita so then but
00:49:47you simplify it like what the chinese wants yeah so the this what the chinese wants has to be discussed
00:49:53under closed door and then we have to prioritize what they want the fully dapat what they want can they get it
00:50:01should they get it okay when they get it and this was all done under the brystern national
00:50:06political practice but those days they say we are coward you tak berani you because they want us to fight
00:50:11outside but what is the point of shouting uh uh to put the other but after that when you are in the chair
00:50:18in the meeting oh damn apa pun china i wrote an article on that okay up sekarang apa pun pun tak
00:50:25mahu in the in sing chi it was published that is what is happening today and now the chinese are
00:50:29grumbling and now nobody want to speak because if you speak it's three ah and then now the melee ketuanan
00:50:36malay kind of spirit is coming up again because after when the chinese are marginalized with only 18
00:50:43okay huh the the numbers are getting less now it's all about many politics sabah politics sarawak
00:50:49politics the chinese and the indian politics are marginalized so what the upper china mouth becomes
00:50:56secondary even not only secondary it becomes irrelevant so it's not mca mic becoming irrelevant the chinese and
00:51:04indians are equally split and then people are buying into your past are trying to buy chinese
00:51:10and indians so everybody is buying so we are actually split unlike those days we coordinate you
00:51:16have your house to take care i have my house to take care we are but people call us racist but actually
00:51:21we we take care of the house then after that we sit together and talk about taking care of the society
00:51:26and taking care of the nation but that was not understood so sekarang now that mca and mic are weaker and
00:51:33since since the supporters are at split with other political parties per se as you mentioned
00:51:40this causes the community to be to lose out no you see the younger generation don't understand
00:51:51the the role mca and mic play in in the context of a multi-racial society under a
00:51:58melee very strong dominance political dominance so they don't understand so basically mca and mic
00:52:06it's been marginalized and i've not realized that because they themselves have been marginalized the
00:52:12the race factor is not there yeah but when the respecter is not there people becoming more racist
00:52:18because they all because you feel that people are not getting what they are not communicating yeah we are
00:52:25suppressing their needs they are suppressing their emotions so they start reaching in their own
00:52:31closed circle okay and this will intensify and actually you're creating a bigger divide under current
00:52:37divide okay and this is potentially damaging explosive it is a time bomb so that's what i'm saying we have to
00:52:45trigger we have to check out pick off that that bubble okay so now the political parties in government
00:52:54are not playing their roles to the rakyat because there are no playable mca and mic has been there there's
00:53:01no playbook on how to govern how to represent the chinese okay but they are in all the chinese constituency
00:53:08they win the world mca because they work with the malays they work with pass to win yeah they work
00:53:14they buy in everybody okay dap has won but today they don't know how to function okay and the other
00:53:20thing is dap do not have branches in every corner of the chinese community okay mca you i tell you
00:53:26people to look at that okay but they are very strong in the social media oh they act like hero
00:53:38then we look you you get superman coming out to speak very loudly then you get the thousands of
00:53:42millions likes yeah but the people the voice on the ground is not being heard okay so the grassroot and the
00:53:50rakyat is not being served it's not being hurt it's not being served and it is not going to be good
00:53:57because yeah it will rot huh and then this system is not going to be healthy that's why you take you look
00:54:03another two times three times and you will see the revenge coming but then the damage will be done
00:54:08then we actually destroying a good in political infrastructure of the barisan national it's like
00:54:15bangsa-bangsa bersatu okay huh but uh if you destroy it to rebuild it it takes time and and i think
00:54:22malaysian will lose a good legacy uh set by tungku abdul rahman bapak merdeka but people don't even know
00:54:30who is tungku abdul rahman nowadays uh yeah so the social media like asking they don't yeah so something is
00:54:36very wrong with the country the soul is not there bapak merdeka we are calling bapak malaysia but the students
00:54:43don't know university students there was a there was an interview once then i read they don't know
00:54:50i and and i think this is wrong and i think something strong with education because politics
00:54:55is also an education it's just it's not a formal education it's not in the school but if they are
00:55:01politically mis-educated or politically radicalized uh the dap could pass then this country is heading for a
00:55:09big divide until one day dap and pass decide to join together okay and work together and then what's
00:55:17that what's gonna happen there if we pass and ap work together you tipu saya saya tipu you lah
00:55:23okay okay okay but sebelum kita and i just want to summarize everything basically barisan national
00:55:29is the structure of malaysia and amno takes care of the malays mca takes care of the chinese indians take
00:55:36care of the indians and then we have the sabah and sarawak party there and then when you guys were
00:55:44leading the nation administrating the nation you guys make sure every single voice from the ground
00:55:49is heard i've been heard and their wishes their needs their wishes their wish list is also been
00:55:55presented presented to the table to make sure all the policies are in line i'm no is the back uh backbone
00:56:02white bone and i'm not leaders are magnanimous and and very uh uh hearty hearty besar they embrace
00:56:10but they also take into the sensitivity of the malays yes so they don't do certain things that were
00:56:15antagonized or trigger the malays anger yes but they cannot control on the ground so i'm no
00:56:21wannabe heroes to shout out loud uh crossing chinese school and all that they cannot control so dap will
00:56:28exploit these people and paint in bad light the whole person especially mca in the bad light that we
00:56:35cannot control you cannot control monkeys monkeys are remain monkeys unless you give them bananas yeah okay so
00:56:43now when we have that framework and that idea that the problem now is the government may not be
00:56:49playing their roles no no no no the government today do not have a political management book okay
00:57:00today they because this government are populist government who win seats the ap won 40 seats yeah
00:57:06but are they uh uh they are they won because of the popular the populism the promises are they
00:57:14are they delivering they're no longer delivering now they're using up no as an excuse because i know
00:57:18we cannot deliver but that's again it is wrong okay so back to this government there is no structure
00:57:25there is no political convention there's no political practice and then there is no okay so but
00:57:34everybody is trying to buy it's to be seen that they give upper melayu wow okay because everybody is buying into
00:57:41the malayu wow okay i'm gonna just be the devil advocate here do you think with the removal of the
00:57:48these like the end structure would lead to a more unified malaysia where color
00:57:56we're all colorblind and racially and religiously more tolerant i said this before the government
00:58:02change people say oh because i am in bn i said after the government change and i many people agree with me now
00:58:09okay past and dap is creating a bigger divide okay people are now the chinese and malays are
00:58:17work up over little things like the bandera yeah just opposite of the malays work out you think akma
00:58:24is stupid akma is not stupid he's playing to the melee gallery so you so people are and then you see why
00:58:31why is dap taking a whole star because they're playing to the chinese gallery okay and why is past today
00:58:37uh uh uh uh saying that they want to be the prime minister because they are also playing to the
00:58:43gallery so if everybody plays to your own gallery you are actually uh heating up the temper yeah you are
00:58:50actually increasing the temperature okay and this temperature will sooner or later burn us down okay and
00:58:57i am saying mca mic i have no sabah sarawak parties in the past we serve we reduce the temperature we build
00:59:06bridges but we are seeing to be compartmentalized but this compartment are working together in a department
00:59:14unlike now we uh it is divided into two big compartment but they come out and play different uh different acts
00:59:22okay uh to please the people and i think that is that's why i say hypocrisy is hypocritical coming
00:59:29back to that's why i say the local government election i even when i was with the president
00:59:34when they did that when people asked me i said it's good what the ap is proposing is good but when
00:59:40dimkislam come and say come out and say oh we cannot implement a local government election because we have
00:59:46to respect the melee sentiment i got a shock the the the the the race local government election is
00:59:54about democracy it's about eradicating corruption at the root because that is where when then these
01:00:01little napoleons where these little napoleons come from from all these appointed political wannabes who
01:00:08are political warlords or political warlords representative they are there they are not rich they are not wealthy
01:00:15they go there any any amount of wealth they want to accumulate and that is an opportunity is that now
01:00:21many people are saying oh those days people say bn corrupted now they face a lot of political demand
01:00:29but they they are not going to stand up and call call it because nobody wants to get into trouble okay but
01:00:35they have to cough up more and they are saying this is the ground complaint yeah this is more rampant and more
01:00:43bigger in scale that is what some people are saying but they are not willing to so whether this is
01:00:50happening or not kita akan tahulah time and type huh the time will tell the time will tell time will tell
01:00:58okay your last messages to the people before we end i'm i'm very grateful sinah harian
01:01:03sinah daily and and and i i noticed you're you're you're not so partisan okay you're not so partisan
01:01:13objective that's why i i love to engage yeah and sometimes i think we need more independent
01:01:19because student today media a lot of been patronized a lot are playing a narrative propaganda to please their
01:01:28masters okay and i think we need a more independent press and i don't believe that we should have three
01:01:35r we should clamp down media okay because that is what we were fighting for when we talk about ubah i
01:01:42think the people when he said we the people and then even though i don't i'm in the government
01:01:47those days but i still believe what is right is right so brother or to all the malaysians i sincerely hope
01:01:56that we can reduce racial religious cultural cultural temper is not so much and we should think
01:02:04beyond and think of the next generation and not about our politicians our political party
01:02:10you know in the all the years we are fighting over everyone is an um no leader or the prime minister
01:02:16we change so many times they are all um no leaders everyone is up no every single person the
01:02:24hatred for up no they are haters of up no there should not be hate you should understand
01:02:32i only understand then we know what went wrong okay it's all about political literacy okay all right
01:02:40thank you so much that's three for joining us today i appreciate it my pleasure and everything you
01:02:45explain i hope everybody understand that as well if you don't understand the first round make sure you
01:02:49watch the second and third round to comprehend betul-betul everything that that's three has
01:02:53explained and think about it yourself so before we end thank you so much thank you thank you make sure
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