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00:00Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
00:01Hello everyone, I am Taslim Lokman from SinarDaily
00:04and you are watching top news today
00:06and today, oh my god, it's amazing
00:08we have a living legend
00:10the 8th Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin
00:13Thank you so much for being with us today
00:15Thank you for inviting me
00:16I'm so glad you're here
00:17This is actually my first time ever interviewing Tan Sri Muhyiddin
00:21You look so excited
00:22I am! I'm super excited
00:24Oh my god, please, I will control myself
00:26and stop being a fangirl right here
00:28Tan Sri, Bersatu is having its annual general meeting this weekend, right?
00:35Yeah
00:36So we're here to talk about that
00:37and current issues that's happening across the country, nationwide
00:41and let's have a sprinkle of politics and pressing issues
00:44Okay
00:45Can we do that?
00:46Alright
00:47So, let's start with the first question
00:49which I think resonates with everyone, nationwide
00:52the cost of living and subsidy reforms
00:56What is Bersatu planning to talk about when it comes to cost of living of the rakyat and the people?
01:03And will you guys be addressing the pressing matters and economic concerns during the AGM?
01:08Obviously, because this is not something which is new
01:12I have talked on this issue many times, both in parliament and outside parliament
01:18I shouted loud the last time when they had this Turun Anwar major rally
01:24And of course, we have got members of parliament who spoke about this issue also in parliament
01:30many, many times because I think the problem that we now understand very seriously facing the people
01:36is about cost of living
01:37Okay
01:38It's about rising cost of food, rising cost of services, many things
01:43added to the, of course, the problem of what they call rationalisation of subsidy
01:48Okay
01:49Basically, it's a cut on subsidies which makes things more expensive
01:53Burden onto the people, cost of logistics, everything is added to many, many things at the same time
02:00And then the issue of, for example, tax policy that government has been implementing
02:06which I believe has been a very heavy burden on the people
02:11I give example of, you know, SST, okay
02:13Where, those were the days when most of items are not taxed at all
02:18For many, many, many, many years, 60 over years
02:21But lately, 1st of July of this year, they said, no, we will add to the list another 6,000 odd items
02:28I'm not too sure you know what are the items
02:30But you can go to the government gazette
02:33Which means most items are not really that critical
02:36But they have for the imposed duties as well
02:39They said they do that is with the intention of collecting 10 billion ringgit
02:45Which they're short of
02:46But taxing people to collect those amount of money is really, is not, I would say, the right policy
02:54Because role of government, among others, of course, to make things easier for the life of people
02:59Exactly
03:00So that's why this matter, of course, will be raised and discussed again at our AGM
03:04Which we use as a very important platform annually
03:08Where all leaders from all levels of our party will participate
03:13There are representatives who speak on many issues
03:16But obviously, this would be one of the factors that we will discuss again
03:20And then, of course, not just mooted whatever ideas
03:23What next that need to be done to impress upon the Malaysian public at large
03:30That Bersatu is not just a political party
03:32It is the voice of the people
03:34And we want to fight that whether it is in parliament, outside of parliament
03:38Of course, if we are in the government, looking back to the government, that's a different matter
03:42Then we act upon it to be more effective
03:45Okay
03:46But like on a personal scale, right, what's your top two most concerning matters
03:51When it comes to the cost of living and for the rakyat punya economic situation
03:55Like, what do you think mesti dan wajib diaddressed?
03:59Yeah, as I said just now, I mean, you know, we have our institute that did proper survey and study
04:05We have done five times
04:07Okay
04:08This is not to add to other research body like medical center and main research
04:13We compare all these factors
04:15But it's at the top of the list that is of concern to the people
04:19Which basically, if we have about 1,200 respondents
04:22Okay
04:23You could be one of them to say, what's your concern now?
04:26It's the rising cost of living
04:28And at the same time, our salary is not as high as the rate of inflation
04:35Yeah
04:36Government will now say, we have 2% or 3% inflation, it's so small
04:40No, we have done a study to say in certain sectors of this so-called figure
04:47For example, in food sector
04:50Okay
04:51For example, in Kuala Lumpur again, in locality for example
04:54The burden is more serious to the people, especially people living in PPR
04:59You know, perumahan rakyat
05:01Because of their poor condition, because their income is so low
05:05Not enough to actually pay for the cost of living, so it becomes worse
05:09So as you said, what will be, that is the key
05:13And if I do not mention that at all, they say, hey, Mohyiddin, you have lost track
05:18The people are suffering, everybody is complaining
05:22Some don't have jobs, especially young people don't have jobs
05:26Even those who have jobs, the gig sectors for example
05:30That is not enough to even service the loan, pay for the food, for education, for health
05:37So these are serious matters
05:39So Besatu being a party that represents the voice of the people, we speak up on that matter
05:45Okay, alright, okay, so let's go to the next question, maybe we'll circle back to economy later
05:52But institutional trust and judicial independence have come under scrutiny recently
06:00Does this AGM delineate any stance or policy fixes from Bersatu on governance and transparency?
06:08This issue has been raised many times
06:12Basically, what government, this present government has done, has not created the trust that they thought they would get from the people
06:23What they promised to deliver, institutional reforms, political reforms, even to detailed matters like PT, PTN or toll matters, they did not deliver at all
06:37So the trust on the government is slow
06:40In fact, the popularity of the Prime Minister, as I observed from some of the reports coming in, has tipped to below 35% for example
06:48So this is a major subject
06:50Because importantly, in any government, the issue of governance, governance is key
06:57Which basically means when you run countries, you administer a country legislation which is of course very important
07:05You must follow not just the rules, the laws, you implement the executive to the best that you can based on rules and laws and whatever you have promises
07:15If you fail to do that, which they have not performed as I said just now, then people have lost trust
07:22So the question is, what will Bersatu do?
07:25Oh, to Desi Mesha
07:26I said, we can allow this to continue
07:30This present administration, if you just say go and don't do anything about it, then I think we are not performing our duty
07:37So as much as we are opposition, we are not yet the government, I think
07:42It's the government in waiting, as some people say
07:44We still have our responsibility
07:46We have to perform our duty to check and balance
07:50To voice a concern in parliament and outside parliament
07:54Which we are doing at the same time
07:55Of course, the AGM is another platform
07:58Which is the highest in any political body to be used to provide the avenue for people to air their concern again at the same time
08:08So it is compounding matter that we will not just live like that
08:13We have to address this matter because it is very important for the livelihood of all Malaysians
08:19And there has been rumours going around, or maybe very strong speculation that there will be an election next year for G17, the next general election
08:34Election?
08:36I don't know, I am just saying
08:38You are saying general elections or party elections?
08:41Because Johor is happening and then Melaka is happening, Sarawak is happening next year, right?
08:46So there are strong speculation that the next general election will be concurrent with the state elections
08:53Possible
08:54Possible
08:55Yeah, there are some rumours or there are some speculation which is quite normal
08:59We also in our party, we always assess the situation where the things are coming earlier than later
09:05Because the later date could be 2027 or something like that, but some say maybe 2026
09:11But for a political party like Perkatan Nasional for example, as a coalition party, we are at all time on a standby
09:23To face any election
09:25Because the prerogative to dissolve or not dissolve parliament is the government of the day
09:30Or the Prime Minister will decide so
09:32So we are not in that position, so we don't know
09:34But because we are not in that position, we have to be always on ready and safeguard to prepare ourselves
09:41As you say correctly, of course next year or this year, Sabah will face state election
09:47Because it's ending by October, December or before end of this year
09:53We are in that midst now to prepare ourselves to participate in election in Sabah
09:58Yes
09:59And we have identified seats that we will contest, we have identified those so-called candidates
10:04Including young men and women that we believe could be a good wakil rakyat
10:09To present the voice of Sabah
10:11And whatever is needed that need to be done, we strategise trying to work out with our other friendly parties
10:19That we can work together to form some good sort of a coalition or parties that we work together with
10:30So it's one part, of course, that could be in Sarawak, could be Johor, could be in Malatia
10:35As you said, it's a continuing process
10:37You can't wait until the time
10:39It's all time like that
10:41And we have all the experience that we've been going for many, many years
10:44So the thing is, we have to be on guard
10:47We have to be ready
10:48Not ready in terms of just human power or resources or funding
10:53Which is quite normal
10:54But in terms of strategy or manifesto
10:57They have to be prepared so that when comes election
11:01Public will look at us and say, ah, this is what we're waiting for
11:05We're ready to let you in to form the next government
11:08That's what we hope for
11:09What's your strategy then? Because you're talking about you're always on your toes prepared, right?
11:14Is there any shifts in, I don't know, maybe a younger people
11:18You know, because you mentioned just now both men and women
11:21Is there any like, is it going to be more inclusive?
11:24Is it going to be more eye-opening?
11:26We are an inclusive party
11:28We want to present all
11:31Okay
11:32Not just because it is Peribumi, it's just Melayu
11:35Okay
11:36Or is this Perikatan National, it's just PAS and us, no
11:39We are a coalition of parties that present all races
11:43Okay
11:44Malay, Chinese, Indian, Iban, Kedazan, Dusud, Sabah, Sarawak
11:47We're all there
11:48So that's what we want to flag
11:50So in order to do so, of course we have to be ready in terms of our strategy
11:56Ready in terms of our plan
11:58Even preparation of our manifestos that will then lay out what we promise to deliver and perform
12:07So that when voters look at it, they say, yeah, they are quite good, they are quite ready
12:13And we are willing and prepared to support them, for example, that's very important for us
12:18And do you think that manifestos is important for a political party?
12:23Well, it is important, it is an indication how serious we are in governing
12:28It's not just like cakap-cakap, kosong, and then nothing happened
12:32This is all in black and white
12:33When manifestos is written to say, if Anwar did say they will hapuskan PT-PTN
12:39And the question now, people ask, have he done that?
12:43Why? He has not done that
12:45So what is it? Bohong
12:46If he promises to hapuskan PT-PTN di semua Lebuh Raya
12:53The question you should ask as young lady, say, has he done that? No
12:58But he has promised, yeah
12:59It is in the manifestos, yeah
13:01We are not going to follow that sort of stupid way
13:04We will promise what we believe we can deliver
13:08Like the first important thing, what people are waiting, tomorrow you become the government
13:12I want to see whether the price of goods is going to come down
13:15Of course, it is not going to be instantaneous
13:17But we have to have an immediate term, we have to have medium term, we have to have long term
13:22For example, just to a bit of highlight, for example, people are concerned about
13:26Harga barang-barang, ikan, sayur, apa semua, mahal
13:30Something is wrong with our national agriculture policy
13:34All this so-called dasar keterjaminan makanan or food security
13:40If food security has been given proper role or proper position and focus, then things like this should not have happened
13:49For example, in terms of increases of food production, sayur-sayuran, vegetables and crops and everything
13:56Malaysia has got abundant land, water bodies, rivers and water bodies
14:04I have had experience when I was Minister of Agriculture before to prepare a blueprint just on one subsector
14:11For example, on aqua culture
14:13What is aqua culture? It produces fish from our own farm
14:18Because there are so many water bodies, you know, water bodies means like swimming pool, not swimming pool
14:23River and lakes and rivers and lakes like that, which could be utilized for culturing all this sort of fish products
14:31So that, but what happened?
14:33Fish supply is short and fish process has gone up
14:37Dulu, people called ikan kembong
14:39Nobody wants to eat ikan kembong
14:40It's so cheap because they said, no, no, that's not our standard
14:43But now ikan kembong is among the sort of the fish because it's among relatively the cheaper one
14:50But it's still something in demand
14:52Why? Short of supply
14:54So I just mentioned this part just to give example
14:57We will go into the micro part of things
15:02We're not just policy, broad policy
15:04Because if you are the government, you don't just stock
15:07You have your ministries, you have your budget, you have your plan
15:13You should execute that
15:15Okay
15:16So that what you feel is short in the market that people have to buy at high price
15:20Will then be able to be handled with better
15:23Okay
15:24So what I'm to say, action plan must be in place
15:27So that what people are facing today, at least there's some effort to reduce the problem
15:33So do you think the government is actually focusing on bigger things?
15:37You don't talk about the smaller things that are impacting them
15:39I don't think they're bigger, I don't know what bigger things
15:42If I'm going to ask
15:43Okay
15:44Well, they are important big things
15:46Issues of national importance, international relations
15:49Those are, of course, National Development Plan
15:54The 13 Malaysia Plan for example
15:56These are big or documents that have been produced to show that what government plan to do
16:02But plan is plan
16:04If you're not able to execute the plan as per what you have promised, then you fail
16:09Okay
16:10The question is people are looking at what has been happening for the last three years
16:13Yeah
16:14He has promised a lot, but they have not done
16:17Delivered
16:18I'm not saying because I'm opposition head
16:20It's fact
16:21Okay
16:22So this is something which I don't think is good for the people
16:25All right
16:26So the country needs good government that people can trust
16:33Okay
16:34I spoke just so earlier about trust
16:36Yes
16:37If you are a government but people don't trust you
16:41Okay
16:42Whatever you open your mouth, buka molot, bohong
16:44It's said now become like a popular caption that people say that this government is not performing
16:50Okay
16:51Then you're not doing your job
16:53So I think I'm as concerned, even not as a party man but as an individual for example
16:58I don't like to see this happening
17:00We have to put back this nation on firm footing
17:03Okay
17:04Some use the word reset
17:06They said what has been untangled, bertrabur, tak betul
17:10You have to put it back
17:11Okay
17:12So that people believe that there's a way forward
17:14Okay
17:15But the question now, you may ask
17:17Are we moving in the right direction?
17:18You know?
17:19Yeah
17:20There are questions being put by many of this so-called body that I mentioned earlier
17:25Most people don't believe that the country is in the right direction
17:31Okay
17:32Okay
17:33If you have about 30 odd percent believe that Malaysia is in the right direction
17:37That means more than 70 percent numbers don't believe we are in the right direction
17:42So that is very serious
17:43Yeah
17:44So basically you have to steer back the country into the right direction
17:48To achieve a certain target
17:50Set the time for five years, ten years
17:53That Malaysia will rise itself to become the tiger, the power, economic power of this region
17:58Yeah
17:59So this is what needs to be done
18:01Okay
18:02Okay
18:03The reason why I asked you that question earlier was because I wanted to know
18:06If the AGM nanti, you're going to be having motions and resolutions and debates
18:13So I was wondering how will you maneuver those resolutions and motions into
18:20Are you going to operationalize them into your manifesto in the next GE?
18:25Yeah
18:26Yeah, because this is a democratic party, it's a process
18:32This is provided for the constitution
18:35We have delegates who will speak on many subject matter, economic, social, education, religious matters
18:42They will speak freely
18:44Okay
18:45We don't dictate that
18:46But obviously issues of sort that you mentioned just now will not be discarded
18:50They will be part of the mainstream matter that will be discussed as well
18:55Okay
18:56So does it mean it will just end there?
18:58Uh-huh
18:59Yes
19:00We are based on PAT, done with
19:01No, no, no, no
19:02It's only the beginning
19:03Okay
19:04Even before the PAT, we have done many, many things
19:06Now for example, the Perempuanan Agong, the AGM will be the other avenue for these people to speak up again
19:13If many people speak on the same subject, then we should recognize
19:17That means these are feedback that they have collected from down there
19:22The grassroots to say these are areas of concern
19:24Yeah
19:25So what will leaders like me be doing then?
19:28Okay
19:29What we have been doing before is when we finish the AGM, because we have continued meetings and whatnot
19:36We will deliberate the decision further
19:38Okay
19:39If what matters has been raised very specific, we have got representative in parliament
19:43Yeah
19:44Ketua Pembangkang, Ali Ali Parliament to speak those matters
19:47They can speak even at the state assembly
19:49Because they are adun
19:51Yes
19:52Or they bring the matter to the government like this Northern SG4 government
19:56Okay
19:57Kelantan, Tengganu, Kedahan, Pandes or Siapa are under our rule
20:00Then of course, they will be able to bring it to that level
20:04But that's only targeted at those so-called states which are under our authority or our government
20:12Yes
20:13That is what we can do so
20:14But nationwide, there are areas which are federal, which is not our jurisdiction
20:19But we have a role to play as opposition to check and balance
20:24We keep on pounding this issue to tell to the government, please look into it again
20:29Okay
20:30I mean there are so many things, bills being tabled in parliament
20:34Many things have been introduced from time to time
20:37But unfortunately what his president government is being, some are flip-flop, a U-turn
20:45So we are not too sure what they are targeting at to do
20:49Okay
20:50For example, issue subsidy rationalisation, many has not been resolved
20:55How do you feel about the government right now doesn't have an economic minister?
20:59I don't think it's good to assign another minister to execute a function which is quite critical
21:09Then you burden on the percent
21:11Okay
21:12Menteri Keuangan 2 is also Menteri Economy
21:15Two portfolio which is heavy
21:17Menteri Keuangan 2 because there's already Menteri Keuangan 1, Prime Minister who travel all over the world
21:24Maybe less focused on his job as well
21:26Okay
21:27So he is burdening on the Menteri Keuangan 2 to do the job
21:30Okay
21:31And then he assigned this Menteri Keuangan 2, Brother Amir, to also perform duty of Menteri Economy with Mr Rafizy has left or resigned
21:39Yes
21:40Or resigned
21:41You can easily assess, is it going to be easier for him or not easier for him?
21:45Okay
21:46Or it indicates that the government or the Prime Minister lack understanding of economy to burden a person like this minister who is not an economic minister to perform his duty
21:58Okay
21:59So I sure believe it will be too loaded for him to do so
22:04But the question again is
22:05Is there not a person in his party, his parliament, who can do his job?
22:12Okay
22:13Why are you laughing?
22:14I don't know, it's kind of a joke, doesn't it sound like a joke?
22:17It sounds like a joke, isn't it?
22:18Yeah
22:19No, no, it's not, it's a joke
22:20It's not, unfortunately it's a real problem, right?
22:23It is a real problem because economic ministry is among the most important ministry
22:27Exactly
22:28I'm not saying that Rafizy did well before but at least there's a minister in charge
22:32Yes
22:33So if people want to gasak him, you just gasak him, not performing his duty, whatever
22:36But at least somebody is answerable
22:38Yes
22:39But you assign Amir, I know him quite well to say, you do this job well, why?
22:44So, I mean, it is already a big problem, the economy is not being managed well
22:53So to assign a person like that to the job, one indicated that within the present government, there's not enough people who are qualified
23:01to do the job
23:03Okay
23:04So, if you want to give this person, you don't want to give this person. If you want to give this person, you don't want to give it to them
23:08So, I think it's not going to be effective
23:11Okay
23:12Okay, Tuan Sri, you were in the government when Datuk Sri Najib was the Finance Minister and Prime Minister
23:20And now we see Datuk Sri Anwar and Ibrahim being the Prime Minister and Finance Minister as well
23:26Despite promises that saying that, you know, their whole campaign has always been no Finance Minister should be the Prime Minister
23:32Yeah, agreed
23:33So, like, bila ni jadi, and you were also the Prime Minister, so, can we just get your take on the situation even though benda ni dah lama
23:41Yeah, but because I did not promise even, because when I became Prime Minister, God willing, my network too, then I said, I'm serious about things
23:50Okay
23:51Because we face a very serious challenge of COVID-19
23:53Yes, definitely
23:54And then there is a need to make sure that economy will not collapse and people will not die of COVID-19
24:01So, there's two big challenges, you know?
24:03Yeah, definitely
24:04So, but in spite of lack of guidance, because this has never happened before
24:09Unprecedented
24:10Unprecedented
24:11Yeah
24:12I think we did quite well
24:13Okay
24:14Because we gave focus on it so that people still have food on the table to eat, we have vaccine to at least save their life
24:21Mm-hm
24:22And the economy did not crumble
24:24That's what the Governor of Bank Negara used to tell us in the midst of our National Economic Council meeting
24:30To say, one month from now, Prime Minister, if you do not lift the economy and open the economy back, the whole economy will collapse
24:37If you were the Prime Minister then, how would you feel?
24:40So, anyway, that is history, it's past what we have done
24:44So, but again, they said, why did not I hold the post of Minister of Finance?
24:50I would be the most powerful man
24:52No, I don't want power
24:55I could easily be Minister of Finance, but I said I want to find someone who has at least economic background, financial background to manage finance
25:06I think the Prime Minister, I know about him, has no financial acumen
25:10Okay
25:11He has no financial experience
25:12He doesn't have enough, I would call, business experience as well
25:16Okay
25:17I'm so sorry, that is a record
25:18I know him well
25:19Yeah, you know, you guys came from the same
25:22Yeah, but he doesn't have the capacity
25:25So, more so if he realise so, he should not hold the post of Finance Minister
25:31He should find someone else, a full-time guy who has visited, at least this guy, you can put on him
25:37Like when I was there as Prime Minister, I said, Zaffron, we are facing a big serious problem now
25:43One is COVID, one is of course, is economy
25:46I want you to look into ways and means how do you make sure that we have some funds, packages of rescue packages that I can launch to safeguard the economy and to manage the COVID
26:00He came up with one, no, no, no, not enough
26:03Two, no, three, not enough
26:06Four, eight packages of 850 billion
26:11Okay
26:12That's a huge sum, never in the history
26:14Why is it so big?
26:15Because that is what is needed
26:17Partly if fiscal, fiscal means what government fund from the government pay revenue
26:22Or two is non-fiscal, non-fiscal like banks, moratorium, and many-manyak lagi
26:30Which is not coming from government copper, but using other's funding from the bank to help
26:35So, we combine both, we have the money
26:37So, basically what I'm trying to say, we have to have qualified people who manage the funds
26:44Not that I'm not good enough in finance
26:47Okay
26:48I have business experience
26:49I have economic background
26:51Yeah
26:52I know I can do it
26:53Okay
26:54But I said, no, no, no
26:55I think we should have someone more qualified
26:57Okay
26:58So, I caught him freedom to manage it
27:00I think whatever I say or people say about Zafrul, he did help manage the finance of the country
27:07And of course with me to help save the economy as well
27:10It's what, no
27:11Dr. Najib was the same thing
27:13He was a Prime Minister, he was Minister of Finance as well
27:18I'm so sorry to say what happened to the finance economy, finance of the country at that time
27:24Why is 1MDB happening?
27:27You were the Deputy Prime Minister and you voiced out against the Prime Minister
27:30I was Deputy Prime Minister, all the states on his right side
27:33I knew well that I appointed by him as Deputy Prime Minister and he is the Prime Minister
27:39He said, I know who the power is, but what is your job?
27:42Yeah
27:43Your job is to tell the truth
27:44Being a Muslim, jangan bohong
27:46And then you have amanah and you have tanggungjawab
27:49You can just lift things like that and you don't sit
27:53In Islam, they also say if you see something bad is happening, you just don't shut your mouth
27:58And then you have to do something about it
28:01So I tried to do that
28:02I gave him a caution statement, warning many times
28:05But unfortunately I was a small boy
28:08A small kid maybe of less importance to him
28:11How can you say that?
28:12Not important but look what happened now
28:15I've been dedicated because I know what I said was right
28:18The court is still proceeding with the cases until today it's not resolved
28:23So, it is your responsibility
28:27Don't worry about your job
28:29Because this is the God who gave you to your job
28:31Allah who gave you to your job, Allah who gave you to your job, and so on
28:35But that's all of God
28:36But the responsibility to speak the truth
28:41It is painful
28:43You have to speak the truth while the truth is painful
28:51I spoke
28:52And what happened to me?
28:54It is history, I was sad
28:56It doesn't matter
28:57I'm not dead, I'm still alive
28:59You're still here?
29:00I'm still here
29:01You're not in prison?
29:02Yeah, I'm still here
29:04But how do you feel about the rumors that he may be out for house arrest in the next few months?
29:08That one I don't want to speculate
29:10Okay, we won't speculate about that
29:12That's another story
29:14When it happens
29:15Okay, but
29:17On the EGM, do you anticipate your role as Perkata Nationals Prime Minister candidate to be echoing just like last year?
29:25I think my position in PN as Chief has been there from the beginning
29:32Okay
29:33So you don't have or need another boost of another AGM for example just to put you where you want to be
29:45Because I think importantly is to reflect on Perkata Nationals as a solid political organization that people can hope for
29:54Okay
29:55It's important
29:56Within them, they are personality
29:58Within them, they are leaders
29:59Within them, they are leaders
30:00It's not just one-man show or whatever
30:03But of course, if I have the opportunity or Allah qura takdirkan that they give me another chance
30:13I can bear that responsibility
30:14I know until today
30:15You can see I'm quite fair
30:17Yes
30:18Quite strong and healthy
30:19I'm very fit
30:21Mentally, I'm still alert
30:23So I still can perform my duty
30:25Okay
30:26But that's not for me to decide
30:27Okay
30:28The mandate will come
30:31Would you say that?
30:33Yeah
30:34Okay
30:35Okay
30:36So
30:37I think we have a few more minutes
30:39So we'll do one more question
30:41Let's do some self-reflection for Bersatu and Perkata Nationals
30:45Could you give maybe a performance rating, a report card for you guys as the opposition to the current government?
30:55For us?
30:57Yeah
30:58Like reflect on the performance of Bersatu and Perkata Nationals
31:04Okay
31:05As the opposition
31:06Well I think
31:07Well you can ask me right now
31:10I can answer to that question
31:11But some people say
31:12Of course, prejudice lah
31:13You ask Muhyiddin about what Bersatu and Perkata Nationals
31:17He always should say he gave a 100% rating or A++
31:22I don't think it's so
31:23But I think importantly it's not you
31:25Okay
31:26It is the people
31:27You are the one who are in right position to access
31:30If you know what Bersatu is all about
31:33To say I think this party while it is still new
31:37It's only eight years old
31:40It has achieved great success
31:43Okay
31:44It's on record
31:45Yes
31:46It's on record
31:47What is success is
31:48From nothing
31:49It has become at least something of sort to be recognised
31:53That it has its vision
31:57It has its ideas, it has its strategies
32:01It has show his record of ability to perform and deliver
32:06And it is also hope of the future
32:10Yes
32:11I did explain before this another interview to say
32:13I have expanded the idea of Perkata National not solely to be a Perkata National per se
32:19Okay
32:20That there are plus, plus, plus
32:21For example, 11, 12 other opposite parties sitting together
32:26Which is unprecedented
32:28People can belittle it to say
32:30Ah, this is a political gimmick
32:32It's not a gimmick
32:33These people who sat around the table
32:35Knight of the round table, what they call it
32:39Has got his own leadership, his own ideas
32:44Okay
32:45Of how the country should be governed
32:47And we should not belittle that
32:49So I recognised them
32:50Okay
32:51And I come up with the idea
32:52Let's get together over coffee and tea and sit down
32:55They were very happy to sit down
32:57And because for them, this has never happened before
33:00Okay
33:01As much I'm not a party, I'm not in the government
33:04But they know who I am
33:05Of course, other leaders within Perkata National, they came
33:08And they were very frank and open to say
33:10We want to be in part of this thing
33:12And I can tell you, a few others are waiting at the door
33:15To come in to participate in the next meeting
33:17Okay
33:18So that is something which I think is very critical
33:22To pave the way forward
33:24That PN is a party for all
33:27Okay
33:28It is not a party limited to one or two or three
33:30But a party for all
33:31That the party, this is important
33:34To show some sense of you
33:37Sense of unison or unity
33:40In many-many elections
33:43Because there were so many political parties contesting
33:46You split the vote
33:47Yeah
33:48When that happened, there are the three corner, four corner, five corner
33:52I mean, it's a free for all thing
33:54That's democracy
33:55But if you can create some better understanding
33:58To reduce that contest
34:00That might lead to break up of votes
34:03And votes are concentrated into just one or two
34:07Simple arithmetic shows that this is a better approach
34:11So I'm not saying that could happen
34:13But I think we have started that
34:14Okay
34:15So as we move along
34:17Now we have got the first meeting
34:19Informal, second meeting, formal
34:22We have made resolution
34:23There will be meetings and meetings other than that
34:26Who knows one day the coalition membership expanded
34:32But some are quite sceptical to say
34:36I think it's more like a gimmick
34:39Okay
34:40But as I said, different parties have their own ideology
34:45It's okay
34:46When we call for the first meeting to say
34:48You have your certain views on certain issues
34:51You're not similar to mine
34:52I have certain things like this not similar to you
34:55But it doesn't matter
34:56But there are areas which somehow rather gel well
35:00Okay
35:01What is it about?
35:02Economy
35:03Economists must to you angkat tangan
35:04Bad government, cost of living
35:08Everybody agrees
35:09So there are really common ground
35:11Or if there are certain areas which is not common
35:15Some people agree or disagree
35:17Because there is already a platform
35:19So you can bring to this meeting and say
35:21Can we not discuss about this?
35:22Some will say it's not possible
35:24But some will say no, we just explore
35:26Who knows
35:27After many discussions and meetings and better understanding
35:31What is supposed to be not agreeable
35:34Become agreeable areas
35:35Yeah
35:36Right?
35:37Yes
35:38So what do you think?
35:39Is it not good?
35:40It is good
35:41So you should accept this is a strategy which I look forward
35:44Not for now but for the future
35:46Okay
35:47For example you said that
35:48When election GE comes
35:51Some people have already forecasted that there will be another hung parliament
35:58You know what hung parliament is all about?
36:00But no single political party have enough number to form the government
36:04Yeah
36:05Like the last time
36:06We have 71, they have 81
36:08Nobody has got
36:09Yeah, majority
36:10Majority
36:11So then we have to wait for a few days
36:12Then of course Sabah come in
36:13Sarawak come in
36:14It's always like that
36:15And somebody becomes kingmaker
36:17But that's what democracy is about
36:19It's not just Malaysia and the countries
36:21My thinking forward of course is
36:25Could there be a time that will arrive not into distant future
36:30In not too long a time
36:33That when there is an election
36:35Prior to election there is this arrangement
36:38That I mentioned just now
36:40We have achieved a better understanding
36:43That instead of three, four, five corners
36:46Dua corner je fight
36:48So then with two or three percent differences
36:51A party could garner another 15 to 25 more seats
36:57That will make the difference
36:58So then the possibility of hung government solution will be minimized
37:05This is what I think
37:06I'm not too sure other leaders are looking to that
37:09I look forward not for my own sake but for the sake of the country
37:13So that there will come a point of time not too far away
37:17There will be political stability
37:20And then because if there is political stability like we had done before
37:24Or we have gone to before
37:26The focus on building, nation building with more focus
37:31Okay
37:32Economy, economic development with more focus
37:34Building up the lives of people to become more focus
37:36Quality of life become more focus
37:38If there is no, political stability, gahang
37:42Every time you find things people trying to juggle up
37:46It's too much politicking right?
37:48As a policy focusing on people
37:49I as a politician also don't like that
37:51Okay
37:52But we as politicians must think forward
37:54There must be some compromise
37:56There must be some sacrifice
37:59For all parties to sit down together for the sake of the nation
38:03To come to that point when there is political stability
38:06That is my thinking
38:07Alright, that's amazing
38:09Thank you so much, Tan Sri
38:11So before we end, do you have any message to the people out there?
38:14To our followers?
38:15To our watches?
38:16Sure, I think we have our AGM coming
38:19Anybody who is willing to follow whatever the debate
38:22They may come down to see that
38:24But secondly, of course, with what I have explained
38:28What the Perikatan Nasional Barisan
38:31Perikatan Nasional and Bersatu stand for
38:35There is greater confidence and belief
38:38That you have someone that you can depend on
38:42Which is Bersatu and Perikatan Nasional
38:44Thank you
38:45Thank you
38:46Okay, thank you so much Tan Sri
38:47That was amazing
38:48Thank you so much for watching and staying with us until the end
38:51Don't forget to follow Sinar Daily on all social media platforms
38:55And our website www.sinardaily.my
38:58And we're excited to see what's going to happen at Bersatu punya AGM
39:03Okay?
39:04Alright, bye!
39:05Thank you guys
39:06Thank you
39:07Thank you
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