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24 Hours in Police Custody S00E37 Murder Is No Game pt 2 of 2 (6th October 2025)
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00:00Yeah, it's a horrific scene.
00:24Okay, I do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention
00:32when questioned.
00:33Stop murder.
00:34It's my mother, my sister and my brother.
00:37Are the schools in lockdown?
00:41He was looking at some pretty sick content being here around quite notorious mass killers.
00:48He's looked at some mass shooting videos.
00:51He has got lots of protons and little girls.
00:59And he's obsessed with Clementine, which is the little girl in the Walking Dead game that
01:04he likes.
01:05I am the chosen one, chosen by Clementine.
01:09He purchased 100 cartridges.
01:10He had 35 on him, which is more than the deadliest American mass shooting.
01:19And more than twice as high as the highest death count in the UK.
01:23It's crucial that we find the truth.
01:36Got to question everything, believe nobody.
01:38It's almost a game of chess, trying to slip up.
01:42This is your opportunity to talk to me.
01:43Three people were found dead in a tower block in Luton on Friday morning.
01:59Shortly afterwards, an 18 year old man was arrested in nearby Bramingham Road.
02:06All right, we're going to take some compensation.
02:09Ready to come and meet your sister?
02:11Oh, it's a cone.
02:13It's a what?
02:14A cone.
02:15What cone?
02:16I also wore a cone.
02:18A cone of what?
02:19A cone of what?
02:20A cone.
02:21Oh, a cone.
02:22Not right now.
02:23Your hair looks fine though.
02:25What are you worried about?
02:27Bedfordshire police are investigating a triple murder.
02:40An 18 year old man is in custody, suspected of killing his mother, sister and brother with a shotgun.
02:58Custody.
02:59I know we haven't made a start as yet, but there's been some comments I think made.
03:04Yeah, he's made a number of significant comments.
03:08Really important to keep the victims at the heart of what you do.
03:11It's easy to become sidetracked by the person that's done this.
03:15They become central to the investigation and we've got them in custody and they're the face that gets often splashed about the media.
03:22But they're not important. The people who are important are the victims and their loved ones left behind.
03:28So we always, in our briefings, show pictures and say that this is who we're fighting for justice for.
03:35At this stage, he has been cleared by lads as being fit for an interview.
03:42We have an appropriate adult who's just arrived, a solicitor who's just arrived.
03:47And we are hoping to get in to interview this evening.
03:50You've been arrested on suspicion of the murder of Juliana Falcon, who's your mum, Giselle Prosper, who's your sister, Kyle Prosper, who's your brother.
04:11The reason that you're suspected of that is because you, you know, you presented yourself to the police, you had a knife on you and you showed them where a gun was.
04:19So, did you kill them?
04:21No comments.
04:22I want you to tell me about that shotgun.
04:24No comments.
04:25Is it your shotgun?
04:27No comments.
04:28Is that a shotgun that was used to kill your mum and your brother and sister?
04:31No comments.
04:32No comments.
04:33No comments.
04:35Intelligence analysts have investigated the phones belonging to the suspect.
04:41That Joanie's just, um, gonna throw some cool data down to both of us.
04:45They're just coming through now.
04:46Why don't, if you take the numbers run them through the intel systems and I'll do some open sourcing and see where we get back.
04:59Wow.
05:02What was the weapon that was found?
05:05Hang on, we should bring it up, hang on.
05:06It's a Neko 5000 shotgun to double barrel.
05:10Yeah, I've just found an advert with a Neko 5000 for sale
05:14with that last number, it's contacted,
05:16so he must have bought the gun.
05:17Yeah.
05:18How the hell has he done that?
05:23I'd always assumed that it was far more challenging
05:26to try and buy a firearm than it actually is.
05:32My immediate thought is this must be illegal sites,
05:34this must be through the dark web,
05:37but there are legal sites where legally owned firearms
05:40can be bought and sold.
05:42Online guns classified.
05:44Do you want me just to ring him?
05:45We're not going to lose anything if there is offences there,
05:48we're not going to lose anything.
05:49It's just how he's paid, isn't it?
05:51Yeah.
05:51And where they delivered it to.
05:54I think the crux for me is then if we know from the off
05:58that we've got an offence, i.e. he's got no certificate
06:01to sell firearms, then it's clearly an illegal sale.
06:05We might have to change tactics,
06:07but I'd be keen to speak to him as a witness first.
06:11Hello, I'm sorry to trouble you.
06:13My name's Detective Inspector Justine Jenkins
06:15from the Major Crime Unit in Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire.
06:21I just want to, I wondered whether you can help me with regards to,
06:24have you sold a shotgun recently?
06:30Ah, could you give me some details around that?
06:33We're currently investigating an incident in Bedfordshire,
06:35and I just wondered if you could provide me with some further details.
06:39The gun looks to me like it's got live ammunition in it.
06:48As far as we know, there were three people in the address,
06:51three people deceased.
06:52What was the purpose of having the gun reloaded again?
06:55No comment.
06:56Was it to harm yourself?
06:57No comment.
06:59Was it to harm further people?
07:00No comment.
07:01Who were the further people that you were going to harm?
07:03No comment.
07:06I've seen from the phone, obviously,
07:07the contact he's had with the person he's purchased the firearm from.
07:10The fact that he's got it the day before,
07:11I don't think that's a coincidence.
07:13No, it's not.
07:14And then I can see through the text communication they've had with each,
07:17he'd sent a picture of a firearms licence.
07:19Well, we know he hasn't got a firearms licence,
07:20so where does that come from?
07:22Yeah.
07:22I mean, my bet at this stage would be, you know,
07:25has he got that, sourced that on the dark web?
07:27I would have thought, I've seen,
07:29he has got the talk browser wrong there, so.
07:33Okay.
07:34Oh, hold on one second.
07:3512 bore Nikko shotgun, yeah.
07:40Sorry, I appreciate this must come as a bit of a shock to you,
07:43so I apologise for the cold call.
07:47How did he make contact?
07:49This gun...
07:49Yeah.
07:53Can I ask what the payment was?
07:56In cash.
07:57Okay, and how much was that?
08:03£6.50 plus £30 for fuel.
08:07Okay.
08:08Is there anything else you want to say to us while we have this opportunity?
08:12No comments.
08:14This thing is happening to you, not us.
08:17This is your family that's died.
08:20Is there anything you want to say to us?
08:21Because we will end the interview if you don't want to talk anymore.
08:25No comments.
08:26Okay.
08:26I know, I'm so sorry, and I appreciate it, it's over the phone,
08:37but as you can imagine, it's quite an important inquiry, so we had to speak to you.
08:42Yeah, I know, and I understand that totally, but from everything that you've said,
08:47you've followed all the procedures that you needed to do.
08:49So, you know, don't feel like this is your fault, but we'll come and explain it more.
08:57I know, and there's nothing I can say that's probably going to change how you're feeling at
09:01the moment, but you just hang tight. Don't worry about anything at the moment,
09:05and we'll come down and see you, okay?
09:08All right. Okay, you take care, sir. Thank you.
09:11Thank you. Take care. Bye-bye.
09:30The interview, I don't know about you, Kat, but he was very calm, wasn't he?
09:34I mean, I was really just trying to focus on getting through it properly and making sure we
09:39didn't miss anything, but in the back of my mind, I was thinking, you know, I thought you'd
09:44get more upset, and when... Yeah, you literally murdered three members of your family, and then
09:49nothing. He was, like, really staring intently at us, wasn't he? Yeah, he didn't get this bit.
09:54He did, but that's as much as he got.
09:57Well, flowers continue to be left here in Leebank in Luton, where the bodies of a mother and two of
10:12her children were found on Friday. Police don't believe there's a wider risk to the public,
10:17but to provide reassurance, there will be a heightened presence of police community support
10:21officers in the area in the coming days. We're just doing patrols around this area,
10:34um, in regards to all the stuff that's happened in Marsh Farm. You're not in trouble or nothing,
10:37OK? Obviously, I don't really know them on a personal level, but if I do see them,
10:41it will always be, like, a high-bad kind of situation, that they'll just really calm people,
10:45like, I don't have a bad word to say, but I don't really.
10:48Have you been personally affected by it, or your family members?
10:51I'd say, yeah, my mum and my sister, because they, like, they heard the whole thing.
10:55They heard the banging, the screaming, because they were in the living room,
10:57so apparently, like, the floor was shaking, like, they heard the screaming,
11:00they heard, like, loud banging, and they were just obviously, like,
11:03really confused as to what's going on.
11:09Hello. Hi.
11:12Can we come in, yeah? I've got my shoes on. Is that OK?
11:14All right, yeah. Yeah? Me as well.
11:17Actually, I try to forget, I know it's a bad thing to say, but I try to forget things,
11:22you know, bad things that happen. Yeah.
11:24Because otherwise it screws them in the head. Of course.
11:27Because living on your own, you start getting... Yeah, yeah, of course.
11:29And the only hour I knew, it was about five in the morning,
11:35I heard bang, and it woke me up. Yeah.
11:39I've got two cats. They'll hide now, you won't see them. Yeah.
11:43And I just said to him, I said, oh, somebody don't want to go to work.
11:46That's the way I think, you see. Yeah.
11:48I said, oh, somebody don't want to go work, slam the door.
11:50That's what it was. Well, I didn't know, apparently, that was the gun going off.
11:54Detectives discover a website their suspect frequently visited,
12:09which features real-life videos of people dying.
12:12And I'm all right in thinking this is the site that he got kicked out of,
12:18because of stuff he was saying. Yeah. So, um, you've got to be going
12:21something to get banned on a site like this, haven't you? I mean, that's...
12:26Jesus Christ. Look at the content on it. And categories of gore.
12:30You've got compilations, beheading, suicide, execution, explosions, drowning, disaster. I mean...
12:40He's an 18-year-old lad. How would he know about this?
12:44You know, we work in law enforcement for 20 odd years, and we've never seen it.
12:49So he can only have found that, I think, through the extensive searches that he's been doing.
12:53Well, his obsession with mass shooters is just going to follow...
12:58He's going to follow the trail, isn't he? Yeah.
13:01So on his web history, there's loads of videos on there,
13:05and they all come back to his site. So, I mean, he is, like, I mean, like, transfixed.
13:10Sitting there, just clearly watching all of this, day in, day out.
13:14Getting up at four o'clock in the morning, first thing he's doing is going on this.
13:17Yeah. And last thing at night, he's watching this.
13:20I mean, that's going to self-radicalise yourself, isn't it?
13:24It's self-radicalisation. Nobody radicalised him.
13:30He radicalised himself. You can't pinpoint an ideology.
13:35You can't pinpoint anything other than his self-radicalisation into mass shooting.
13:42He just became obsessed with it.
13:44I don't know when the kids left watching videos of murders, paedophilia, notorious killers.
14:09It... It's just constant.
14:13Yeah.
14:15Oh, my God.
14:16That is... Yeah.
14:18How can that be possible?
14:19You can just... You're three clicks away from looking at that on the internet.
14:24The thing is, it's not even on the dark web.
14:28That's not me. This is just the normal web.
14:33Jesus.
14:33I think when you're watching this level of material on a daily basis,
14:45real footage or real killings, you know, watching a diet of horrific material,
14:51and certainly when someone is doing that in isolation, it is a concern that, firstly,
14:56people are putting that type of material out there, and secondly, that it's as accessible
15:01as it is within two clicks.
15:05We want a free market. We want access to information. We want to be able to
15:10to allow people freedom of expression. But there is some material that is beyond the pale
15:18that no right-minded person would want to view or to allow other people to view.
15:24And the UK isn't alone in facing this issue. The internet is international,
15:34so how do you regulate something that takes place on a server in a country that may not respond to
15:40requests to take down material? I think it's nigh on impossible to to put the genie back into
15:48the bottle and make sure that there's only the material that we would want to see.
16:01I just, I'm just okay talking to people, although it may not seem like it all the time. I have many
16:16acquaintances. I was pretty decently liked in school, um, no bullies, no anything, um,
16:24in terms of close friends, I have to say around, I had around, I can't say like 15, 17. At this time,
16:40I'm not too fond of them. Uh, there was a bit of a fallout in June.
16:45The rise and proliferation of social media sites and the propensity of people to be
16:57ever present on the internet means that that it's a lot easier to get an echo chamber.
17:03And no matter how offensive or limited in popularity of view is,
17:10there is some part of the internet that's out there that allows people who hold that view to come
17:18together. Then that can reinforce and exacerbate the issue, which isn't the case in the real world.
17:25In communities, somebody is going to say, no, you've got that wrong. Just stop. There'll be a guardian,
17:31a teacher, somebody who can say, I know there's a different perspective here and you need to change it.
17:36Um, but what, what sort of things make you feel frustrated?
17:42I guess, I've never been a fan, I've never been a fan of authority and
17:54I guess, powerlessness, kind of. Powerlessness in terms of not being able to do what I want to do.
18:06Hello Nicholas, come forward. I think you've made aware already, the CP has been approached and
18:23uh, there's been six charges that have been authorised. Um, so I'll read out some legal
18:26bit first. So you do not have to say anything, but it may help me to defence. If you don't mention now,
18:30something later on in court, anything you do say may be given evidence. So the first charge is,
18:33Contrary to Common Law, on the 13th of the 9th of 24 at Luton, the County of Bedfordshire,
18:36murdered a Gazelle Prosper. The second charge is Contrary to Common Law, on the 13th of the 9th of 24,
18:43at Luton, the County of Bedfordshire, murdered a Juliana Falcon. The third charge is, on the 13th of the 9th
18:50of 24 at Luton, the County of Bedfordshire, murdered a Kyle Prosper.
18:58Have you got any reply to those charges?
19:06No comments.
19:10If I can ask you to sign to say that you understand what I said, not that you're guilty, that you
19:13understand.
19:14Thanks.
19:15So the next part of my job is to decide whether you are given bail or not.
19:26You are not going to be receiving bail.
19:28The reason for that being is the nature of the offence you've been arrested for is a severe
19:35one.
19:36There's concerns that if you were to be released, you may not attend court again because you
19:40said to the officers, if I was to flee, what would happen?
19:43You've made numerous comments whilst in custody as well.
19:45I was asking questions.
19:48Appreciate that.
19:49But we have to consider whether you're going to turn up to court or not.
19:52There's concerns that you may harm other people as well.
19:54So we want to make sure that everyone's safe and that you are safe as well.
19:58So if I had not made those comments, would it really make a difference?
20:02No, you probably would be staying here anyway.
20:06How are you feeling now?
20:08Calm.
20:11That is all I need from you.
20:15My view is that what had happened in the flat had no impact on him.
20:20He has shown a lack of remorse, a lack of real understanding of the impact of what he's
20:26done.
20:27He's ready to go to court.
20:29He's ready to go to court.
20:30He's ready to go to court.
20:31He's ready to go to court.
20:32He's ready to go to court.
20:33He's ready to go to court.
20:34No.
20:35Can I have a shower before?
20:36No.
20:37No, it's too late.
20:38I needed to ask earlier.
20:39I wasn't informed, sir.
20:40No, I've got the court here.
20:41They're ready to take you.
20:42So you need to take your shoes.
20:43I was just told that it's like 10 o'clock, sir.
20:44No, they come over at any time between 8 and 9.
20:45Sorry about that.
20:46You will need your shoes.
20:47I'd like to wash my face.
20:48You know what, you can't do that.
20:49I can take you around to the sink and you can do that.
21:04These shoes are sucky.
21:07I'll get you some new ones.
21:09If you come around with me, I'll take you around to where the sink is so you can have
21:13down and close.
21:15Yeah?
21:16You good?
21:17Follow me.
21:18OK.
21:19I don't think for a moment that he reflected on murdering his family, people that loved him.
21:27No compassion for his victims has ever been shown.
21:36I mean, if you only find something now, then that's a pretty bad job from this.
21:41Exactly.
21:42There's some new...
21:43Hopefully not.
21:44...shoes there for you.
22:11We've got him looking at the dates.
22:14I can see the dates.
22:16I mean, he's even looking at the weather on those dates.
22:19Yeah.
22:20It's like it's been planned, isn't it?
22:22So there's something being planned.
22:24Analysis of the suspect's online behaviour reveals what else he intended to do on the day
22:30of the murders.
22:32The fact that he's also looking at notorious shooters.
22:38Obviously, I found those searches that were a little bit random and got us thinking now
22:45about St Joseph's.
22:46And I know you've done some additional stuff on that.
22:49Yeah.
22:50I mean, I don't even want to contemplate what I think you're going to tell me, but...
22:53St Joseph's, what primary school was his target?
22:56That was the target.
22:57Jesus.
22:58He chose a primary school because he wanted maximum impact, maximum devastation.
23:17Shooting anyone is horrific enough, but the public outcry, the shock and disbelief in
23:24his mind is multiplied if it's children.
23:29He has searched for Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter, Jaden Parkinson who murdered his
23:40pregnant girlfriend, Reinhard Singh who was convicted of 136 rapes of young men, then
23:47Dunblane Primary School, then St Joseph's Primary School.
23:53So he's, what's the inference from that, that he's Googling himself in amongst it?
24:00Yeah.
24:01Because he's a nobody.
24:02Yeah.
24:03And he wants to be one of those people up there.
24:06Oh, that's mad.
24:08There's some pictures in his camera roll, there's some pictures in his downloads.
24:20He's even got some memes, I think that's what they call them, memes isn't it?
24:24Of, then you can tell it's Lanza.
24:27Adam Lanza was the shooter for the Sandy Hook Elementary School on December the 14th, 2012.
24:35He shot 20 children, six adults, so 26 victims at his old school.
24:42The Sandy Hook obsession is sort of his, other than The Walking Dead Clementine, I would say
24:52the Sandy Hook shooting and Adam Lanza is his second most obsessed thing out of all of the stuff that we've seen so far.
25:05I did a side-by-side comparison of Adam Lanza's life and his life.
25:11And if you took the names off both lists, it's carbon copy.
25:15You wouldn't have known which one was which.
25:17I think he was completely obsessed with him more than anybody else.
25:21The bits that stand out the most, Adam killed his mum before he went to go and carry out the massacre at Sandy Hook.
25:29Lived online, never left his bedroom.
25:33I ended up looking at a number of school shootings.
25:37Killing family members all seemed to be part of the plan.
25:41I believe that he killed his family because it was part of a bigger plan.
25:54He made his plans in great detail, right down to what he was going to wear on the day.
26:11What date he was going to do it, he wanted to find a date where there was nothing else in history which was a bigger event.
26:20So a day that he could have to himself and be known as the perpetrator of the most significant and horrific acts that had ever taken place on September the 13th.
26:33In response to the revelation of a pre-planned school shooting, high-ranking officers arrange a gold command meeting.
26:40It was not his sole intention, we think, just to carry out a killing of the three members of his family.
26:47Obviously that will be a matter of significant concern to the community and I think it would be advantageous if that information came from us, not from third sources.
26:59It doesn't mean necessarily from my point of view that it's appropriate to go and inform people of that straight away because there is that right to fair trial.
27:07What I'm really conscious of is somebody saying that we have impacted on his right to a fair trial if somebody who was able to later settle the jury is hearing all this information which we have injected into the public arena.
27:17A cold, calculated intention to bring devastation to a community because he wanted notoriety.
27:33Words can't describe the evil that rested within him.
27:43One thing that I am keen to avoid is the glorification of the offender.
28:08There is very much a mindset there where he is looking at people who have carried out mass shootings with an intention of trying to gain some form of fame or notoriety.
28:20And it would certainly be my intention to remove the oxygen from any of that type of conversation.
28:27Police have a suspected triple murderer in prison who had planned a mass shooting at a local primary school.
28:34Senior police officers and staff need to decide what information to release to the press.
28:40Whatever you do in circumstances like this you will cause someone to think that you have made an error of judgement.
28:48Release too much, release too little, too early, too late.
28:52So it's a balance all the way through.
28:55Do I control the narrative here or do I let it have the potential to leak out?
29:02And then what does that mean?
29:04How do we really focus this on those people that are most impacted by it?
29:09So those who have lost their lives and the friends and family and loved ones of those people rather than focusing on a person who I am just referring to as the subject of the investigation rather than using his name?
29:20You know, the less attention we can give him, the better in my view.
29:27Sorry, I'm a bit rattled. Upstairs, banging, crashing, someone screaming.
29:33Just got a knock on the door, sorry.
29:36And I could hear him groaning like someone would be, I could hear him punching.
29:41Before trial, officers begin to review the case evidence.
29:47And then I could hear him groaning, carry on punching or whatever and then I heard a loud bang.
29:53It literally was the loudest bang, it literally scared the lights out of me and I ran back downstairs because it's right.
30:00OK.
30:01Well, the fact that there was a disturbance and she's gone upstairs and then heard that bang and then everything quiet.
30:07So that's obviously the last one, isn't it?
30:09And she heard what she thought was punching and we're thinking he might have used the knife, that might have been him using a knife.
30:14Yes.
30:15Well, he's got stab wounds on his shoulders.
30:18I think his plans to carry out that school shooting failed because his mum woke up and disturbed him.
30:30And he had a regimented plan on how he was going to do it, which involved killing his family first.
30:39And his mum disturbed that.
30:42And then the neighbours knocking on the door when they heard the shotgun discharge.
30:49It was too early and the school wouldn't have been open.
30:53So he's had to flee the flat and then he's got this period of waiting.
31:02He had enough shotgun cartridges on him to carry out that school shooting.
31:12But he had a regimented plan of how he was going to do it.
31:17And there was a break in that chain.
31:20So I would suggest that that plan had failed by that point.
31:24Look, that sign home is about, home is being with a very loving family.
31:32That photo is tragic.
31:34It is tragic.
31:35And on this wall here on the other side, it's like a chalkboard to put all the kids' names and pets' names with love hearts.
31:42Oh, bless their hearts.
31:46Clearly a family home, isn't it?
31:48Yeah.
31:49Yeah.
31:50Is that what I think it is?
31:52Yeah.
31:53Oh, Jesus.
31:56Fucking hell.
31:58Did everyone know where you got the gun from?
32:11You bought it the day before, I think.
32:13Yeah, well, where from though?
32:14That's weird.
32:15No one knows.
32:16Do not pop to the shop and buy shots.
32:17Well, not every week.
32:20I don't even know, where do you even go?
32:28The gun seller has provided a statement to the police.
32:33Over a number of days, there have been a series of text messages between them discussing,
32:40I'll need to see your shotgun certificate.
32:42And so Nicholas sent a photograph of that initially.
32:47They weren't able to meet at the time.
32:49Apparently Nicholas was on some kind of voluntary project.
32:52But they agreed on the 12th.
32:54And Nicholas has proposed, well, let's meet in the car park.
32:58Sent a Google Maps image of where they could meet.
33:01They've arrived early at about a quarter to 11.
33:05Nicholas has said, oh, I'm on a team's call.
33:07But I'll come.
33:08And then sometime shortly afterwards has come down.
33:12They don't see him coming out of any particular building,
33:14but coming across the car park.
33:18And then the conversation takes place at the boot of the car,
33:21which is where the shotgun is.
33:23They had the shotgun broken down into three parts.
33:26So showed Nicholas how it's reconstructed.
33:29Nicholas has showed him where the safety is.
33:32Didn't have any concerns whatsoever.
33:35Asked to see Nicholas's certificate in person.
33:39Says that the photograph looked very much like him.
33:43Said I had no concerns whatsoever.
33:45The certificate looked like it was on nice paper.
33:48It looked genuine to me.
33:49I had no concern.
33:50He seemed to have a bit of an awareness about guns.
33:52But he did say this was his first firearm.
33:55Then they've kind of departed.
34:01He feels that he did everything the correct way.
34:04But does now realise he's potentially been duped by fake documentation.
34:10He feels an immense amount of blame.
34:13So Sam, just give me a little bit more detail about how that transaction took place.
34:28So he's got hold of the shotgun the day before the murders take place on that morning.
34:44Yes.
34:45And there's nothing in law that requires the vendor of that shotgun to have told the police before they transferred it across.
34:54They can do it retrospectively.
34:56That's right.
34:57Retrospectively.
34:58Seven days is the timeframe in which it needs to be done by.
35:02OK.
35:03I was just trying to work through if there was any way that we could have prevented this from taking place.
35:12He'd been duped.
35:13He was a decent member of society who wouldn't have dreamt of selling one of his shotguns to anyone that had any criminal intention.
35:21But the offender in this case created a legend researching gun clubs to try and have a list of names to essentially be able to quote if needed.
35:30To build confidence.
35:31He built a legend that he worked as a volunteer at a bird sanctuary.
35:36He wanted to build trust with anyone that he was going to buy a gun from to make sure that they had no concerns.
35:43Wouldn't necessarily get cold feet and change their mind or report him.
35:47And the paperwork we're assuming is a fake shotgun certificate.
35:53Yeah.
35:54Absolutely.
35:55And then how did the subject pay for the shotgun?
35:58It was paid for in cash.
36:00OK.
36:01So for me looking at this, it feels slightly unusual that a vendor of a shotgun is prepared to travel from their location up to Luton
36:12and accepts several hundred pounds in cash from a relatively young purchaser of a shotgun.
36:21Yeah.
36:22But that is the system.
36:23Absolutely.
36:24There's nothing unlawful about that.
36:25That is just how the law is written at the moment.
36:28The seller was fully investigated looking for were there any offences and none have been established.
36:34It just looks like a relatively weak process.
36:37There is a gap there clearly that an 18 year old can get a shotgun within the law, albeit the seller was duped.
36:50But yeah, there needs to be something more robust than I would suggest.
36:53I guess what we're needing then is a system put in place by which we can be notified of a potential transfer before it takes place?
37:02Yeah, absolutely.
37:03The history of gun legislation in the UK is sadly marked with events that have caused us to tighten the legislation.
37:17Hungerford, Dunblane, Plymouth.
37:19The law is always changing.
37:21Learning from criminal cases where gaps in legislation are identified.
37:26This is certainly one of those cases where I hope that the law is tightened up around firearms licensing that reduce the likelihood of such an offence happening again.
37:37Let's recap on what's happening in one of the big stories of the day.
37:56A man from Luton pleaded guilty this afternoon to the murder of his mother and two siblings.
38:02With the suspect pleading guilty and sentencing for his crimes approaching, detectives decide to release details of his plan to carry out a mass school shooting.
38:13I understand the shock and horror that this news brings to parents, carers, school staff and the wider public.
38:23Hi.
38:24Hello.
38:25Hi there.
38:26Hi.
38:27Hi.
38:28Maya.
38:29Hi.
38:30Hi.
38:31You've got to be thinking what's the questions that the media are going to ask?
38:34But possibly more so in the 21st century, what narrative is going to be played out by those people who want to cause division and hatred.
38:47There was no racial, religious, political ideology, anything like that.
38:53Our assessment is it was purely on notoriety.
38:58He wanted to be known as the most horrific, significant school shooter
39:04and wanted to be the most notorious by killing the most amount of children.
39:07To be able to definitively say that the offender was a local Lutonian
39:14whose intention was to kill local people.
39:18You're always wanting to be able to second guess where the narrative is going to go
39:25and be able to answer those questions so that you can give the public as much information as you possibly can
39:31as early as you can, but to do so in a way that doesn't cause additional harm.
39:37What can you tell us about the victims perhaps?
39:39Everything that we've gathered in relation to them demonstrates what lovely, fantastic people they were.
39:45Juliana, a doting mother of her children, did a lot of work for charity, a very keen runner.
39:52Kyle described as a really cheeky, chappy, funny, popular with friends and doing very well at school.
40:00And his sister Giselle, also very popular with an infectious smile.
40:04So the fact that anyone would want to harm them, let alone anyone that was part of their family, is devastating.
40:12The family in this case, what an unbelievable family, what a dignified family, what a supportive and kind family,
40:35what a devastating impact this has had on them, of which you wouldn't wish on anyone.
40:46It's emerged a man from Luton who pleaded guilty to the murder of his mother and two siblings, was planning a school shooting.
40:54Officers discovered that Nicholas Prosper planned to commit a shooting at a local school.
41:00Good morning.
41:01Good morning.
41:02Are you from the press?
41:03I am, yes.
41:04OK.
41:05Yeah, I'll be there.
41:06OK.
41:07How are you doing?
41:08Not bad.
41:09Are you guys here all day?
41:10Yeah, we should be here.
41:11Most of the day.
41:12Most of the day.
41:13Most of the day here.
41:14We are here to be fair, just to give some reassurance.
41:17Yeah, of course.
41:18Good morning.
41:19Hello.
41:20Hello.
41:21Ready for school?
41:22There is currently no law against preparing a mass casualty attack in this country.
41:34A mass casualty attack that is not terrorism, just a desire to kill large numbers of people for no particular cause.
41:40This is a gap.
41:41It should be filled with a need.
41:43At times my emotional bucket has been full and how much more can I deal with here?
41:49Because it's affecting me outside of work.
41:51It's affecting my sleep pattern, my engagement with my family, my enjoyment of life and social events outside of work.
41:59My thinking first of all was that we didn't want to distort the meaning of terrorism.
42:05I think this is an isolated case.
42:08That being said, there will be others because this is not robbery, burglary, terrorism.
42:15This is something else.
42:16This is a new wave of criminality.
42:22He wanted to become notorious.
42:24And the following morning he had planned to go to his old primary school that looks at about three-quarters of a mile from their home and carry out a mass shooting.
42:37For terrorism to be present, you need to have an ideology that's driving it under our current legislation.
42:44If your desire, your motivation is just self-serving, the desire to be notorious, it doesn't meet the threshold for terror.
42:53For terrorism currently.
42:56But it's still harmful.
42:57And it's still having an impact on communities and society.
43:02Your crimes involved the following.
43:15Very substantial premeditation.
43:18Three murders on the same occasion, but committed individually.
43:23Each victim was shot with an illegally held firearm.
43:27A consultant forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Ian Coyman, has produced a full report.
43:34Is it although you have not undergone a formal diagnosis, you have traits of autism spectrum disorder, ASD.
43:42Albeit not to a severe degree.
43:45You are intellectually capable of logically deducing the impact of your actions on others.
43:52You told Dr. Coyman you had made the choice to commit mass murder and become posthumously famous.
44:00It was your preferred alternative to a menial 9-to-5 job for the rest of your life which you believed was your future.
44:09You made a series of choices to put your own desires above any consideration of the lives of many others.
44:17There is no suggestion that you didn't understand the law or that killing people is morally wrong.
44:24You just didn't care.
44:26You have expressed pride in your crimes and the attention gained from them.
44:36Stand up.
44:37Stand up.
44:46You intended to unleash disaster on the community of Luton.
44:49Your plans failed because your mother woke up and realised you had a gun and were determined to use it.
44:57This led to an horrific triple shotgun murder.
45:02I impose concurrent sentences of custody for life with a minimum term calculated from 49 years.
45:10Finally, I repeat my observation that Juliana Falcon, Kyle Prosper and Giselle Prosper's deaths
45:18are almost certain to have saved the lives of many children.
45:22The community owes them its gratitude and their memory should be honoured.
45:38This horrific case has exposed a big loophole in the sale and exchange of firearms.
45:45I think we need a national database for gun license holders.
45:50I've listened to the Home Secretary asking her to do that because one case of this kind is one too many.
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