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00:00An international fugitive is caught after 11 years on the run.
00:11I feel like I'm willing to run the question to explain things.
00:14Can detectives finally get her to confess to murdering her own husband?
00:19Her belief was that she just got away with murder.
00:23But first, a young mother vanishes into the night.
00:27We've been talking for three minutes and he's already lied.
00:34Investigators searching for answers in the interrogation room.
00:51Every suspect accused of a crime has the right to remain silent.
00:55Many agree to be interrogated anyway.
00:58But they can stop the interview at any moment, making it a race against time.
01:04Justice hangs in the balance.
01:07Police call 911.
01:08Where is your emergency?
01:09It's like a non-emersion one.
01:10Report what?
01:11A misimperson.
01:12It's my sister.
01:13How old is she?
01:14She's 25.
01:15And what is her name?
01:16Samira Watkins.
01:17Where was the last place you saw her?
01:18The last place I seen her was Thursday night around 8 o'clock.
01:23We're getting an officer over there to you.
01:24Samira Watkins.
01:25We're getting an officer over there to you.
01:26We're getting an officer over there to you.
01:30Samira Watkins's sister reported her missing and made it very clear that it was highly unusual
01:33for her to go several days without talking to anybody.
01:38Sometimes people just get up and leave.
01:43But that wasn't the case with her personality.
01:45Samira Watkins was a parent.
01:46We're getting an officer over there to you.
01:51Samira Watkins' sister reported her missing and made it very clear that it was highly unusual
01:59for her to go several days without talking to anybody.
02:04Sometimes people just get up and leave.
02:08But that wasn't the case with her personality.
02:10Samira Watkins was a parent and she had a job.
02:17Samira's family said that she was a student, a hard worker, a young mother.
02:27She was doing her best to do well for herself.
02:31She was in college.
02:32She was seeking a career in the dental field.
02:36She was just a beautiful young girl with her future ahead of her.
02:41This wasn't a girl that would typically just go off the radar without talking to her family,
02:45without going to work, without reporting to school.
02:48Those facts definitely gave me reason to be very concerned that this could actually be more than just a missing person.
02:55Samira's sister said that the night Samira went missing, Samira worked a shift at her job.
03:04She went home.
03:06She changed her clothes.
03:08She let her sister know that she was going over to talk to her boyfriend, Zachary Littleton,
03:14and that she would be home later that night.
03:17She was never seen or heard from again.
03:21So it just made sense to go ahead and talk to Zachary Littleton as quickly as possible to see whether or not Samira had actually made it to his apartment.
03:31He could very well be the last person that had seen her.
03:46He could be here.
03:47I'll be right back, okay?
03:48Okay.
03:49Zachary Littleton was a 24-year-old member of the United States Navy.
03:57He was stationed here in Pensacola at Pensacola Naval Air Station.
04:01And Littleton was Samira's boyfriend.
04:06My goals for this first interview were to find Samira.
04:10A missing person, you want to resolve that as soon as you can.
04:13The longer that goes, the more unlikely it is that that's going to end well.
04:17A secondary goal was to lock Zachary Littleton into a statement.
04:22So that later on, should we discover evidence that's in direct confrontation with the statement that he gave earlier,
04:29maybe he'll break or change his story.
04:31What's your phone that God-given birth name?
04:34Zachary Antoine Littleton.
04:36What's your address?
04:38I was standing at 3500 Crane Road at the apartment, but I moved the last two days.
04:45My wife and my daughter, they'll be here on Friday.
04:50That's it.
04:51She was stationed in Goose Creek, and I was stationed here, so the Navy decided to put us together.
04:57Oh, so you're both in the Navy.
05:00Right.
05:01Where's Goose Creek?
05:02South Carolina.
05:03So you all finally get to be together.
05:06Cool.
05:07That's really good.
05:09We learned.
05:10Zachary Littleton was married to an enlisted Navy sailor who lived out of town and was caring for their child.
05:16Littleton was a bit of a playboy.
05:21That's easily an indicator of somebody that's flat out a liar and who probably will lie about other things.
05:28So you know the reason why you're here?
05:30We had that discussion over the phone about Sammy going missing.
05:34You know her as Sammy?
05:36Yeah.
05:37Okay.
05:38But you've had some dealings with her and you've talked to her.
05:42Yeah.
05:43She's been over to the house like maybe four or five times.
05:47She'll kick it over though, but you know it wasn't really a relationship.
05:52We're just friends.
05:53The wife's out of the world.
05:54So you've known her for how long then?
05:57A few months.
05:59Not a whole year.
06:01It's been a few months.
06:03Did your wife know that you were talking to this girl?
06:05No.
06:06Okay.
06:07Would that be a problem if she knew that?
06:09No.
06:10Because she knew I have a lot of friends.
06:12Did you have any kind of a relationship with Sammy that was more than just friends?
06:17No.
06:18I want you to know that I'm not the military.
06:25I don't have any intention of telling anybody else anything that is said in this room.
06:30I want to make that clear so that I want you to feel free to tell me everything without you worrying about getting in trouble from your wife or getting in trouble at work.
06:42The military does not look fondly upon members committing adultery.
06:48You can be demoted in rank or you could actually be discharged from the military for having an adulterous relationship.
06:56So I thought that maybe he was lying because of that.
06:59But it could also be because he's lying to avoid getting in trouble for what we're investigating.
07:05I understand that we're looking into this case and I just, I really need to know the exact extent of y'all's relationship.
07:14Okay.
07:15We had sex once or twice.
07:16Okay.
07:17They want to know every time we saw each other because she's only been over like maybe, like I say, four or five times.
07:24Okay.
07:26It certainly is a strike against him early on.
07:29I mean, we've been talking for three minutes at this point and he's already lied.
07:33Most people aren't going to lie about things unless they've done something wrong.
07:38I need you to tell me exactly when you saw her last.
07:40Well, it's definitely Wednesday.
07:41Yeah.
07:42It's Wednesday.
07:43Somebody dropped off.
07:44She said, well, why you coming just popping up in my house like that?
07:48And I was like, you know what?
07:49You need to leave.
07:51And then she was getting like attached.
07:54So I just told him, I'm married.
07:57I got a daughter.
07:58So why?
07:59Why should it?
08:00It was good while it lasted.
08:01And you knew it from the gate.
08:03You knew it from the beginning that you weren't going to be the woman in my life.
08:06And that's when I took that off.
08:09Have you seen her any time since when he dropped her off?
08:14No.
08:15I haven't.
08:16But it's definitely Wednesday.
08:17Yeah.
08:19My first thought was maybe he had his days mixed up.
08:21Samira's sister told us that when she last saw Samira, Thursday night,
08:26Samira was leaving to go meet with Zachary Littleton at his apartment.
08:30But I really nailed that point down.
08:33Now he's actually saying, no, I didn't even see her at all on Thursday.
08:36I saw her the night before.
08:38So we're trying to paint the person in corners and then see if they're going to give us something
08:44where we can kick the door open and confront them with the actual crime that we're investigating.
08:49Does it strike you as odd that we're here talking about her?
08:53Uh, it's driving me up cause, uh, now she's missing.
08:56And it's f***ing time to scream out but it's messing me up.
09:00How's it messing you up?
09:01Cause, how is that possible?
09:04I mean, I didn't do it.
09:06I didn't do anything.
09:07I'm not responsible for her being missing.
09:09I hate it for her cause she was a nice person.
09:12She wasn't no feisty type or no.
09:16She had the tendency to be a good woman.
09:19There was a period during the interview where Zachary Littleton would refer to Samira in the past tense.
09:26She was this or she was that.
09:30I, I, that struck me as odd.
09:32At this point she is missing but she could be any number of places and be perfectly fine.
09:39I, I can tell you're ready to go.
09:45Yeah.
09:46I mean, I'm ready, I'm ready to get you out of here.
09:49I ended the first interview with Littleton because I was trying to maintain the ability to have him come back for a second interview later on in the investigation.
09:59Littleton had definitely not relieved my suspicions of him.
10:04Nor did he lead me to where she was at.
10:07And as he left, I felt like he very well could be responsible for Samira's disappearance.
10:29Before Watkins went missing on October 29th, she told her mother she was going to her boyfriend's apartment to talk to him.
10:49Nobody saw or heard from her after.
10:51Samira's sister April Joseph says Samira only knew the man for a few months.
10:56Family members say the man is a married sailor.
10:59If we were going to find Samira alive, we really needed to find something out very soon.
11:04Even if she was just somewhere hiding, getting some kind of information could help us to find her.
11:10We learned Samira Watkins had recently become pregnant.
11:23Samira's family made it very clear that Littleton definitely knew she was pregnant and that the baby was his.
11:30Her family said that Zachary Littleton was not happy about this information.
11:37Zachary Littleton was so against her pregnancy that he encouraged her to get an abortion.
11:52On the night that Samira went missing, Samira's phone had pinged a tower right in the area of Littleton's apartment.
12:01Zachary Littleton told me in this initial interview he never saw her that night.
12:07We were beginning to see more vividly that Littleton was very likely to be responsible for whatever happened to Samira.
12:15We decided to ramp up our approach a little bit.
12:39This interview was not as laid back as the first.
12:42We still did not know where Samira was, if she was alive, dead.
12:46We really hoped we'd get some answers.
12:53We're seeing if we couldn't get him to either add information, break completely,
12:59or to set traps for later understanding in the investigative process.
13:04We're going to talk about what's going on and hope that we can maybe try and figure some stuff out.
13:10Okay.
13:12What do you think happened with her?
13:14Where is it?
13:16I mean, where is she at now?
13:18Okay, what do you think, though?
13:22I understand that, but what do you think she...
13:26I don't know what to think of.
13:28You need to.
13:29You need to.
13:30I need to?
13:31Yeah.
13:32You need to.
13:33You need to think real hard about the different possibilities.
13:36What are the possibilities that you've come up with in your hotel?
13:43I ain't really thought about it like that.
13:45Yeah, you have.
13:46I ain't.
13:47That's totally unnatural.
13:49Anybody in this situation who was innocent.
13:51They're going to be wracking their brain thinking about what happened to this person.
13:56And now it's a matter of challenging and see if he'll come off of that story.
14:01I need you to wrack your brain.
14:03Okay?
14:04I'm hoping that maybe you can tell us in places that we might go look based on your conversation with them.
14:08Because if we find her, we can resolve the whole issue.
14:11Right, so.
14:12And me standing up and raising my voice and projecting it a little bit more, it's testing
14:17to see if they're susceptible to a person showing dominance over them.
14:21I mean, maybe if it's something happened to her en route.
14:24Okay.
14:25Maybe she did tell people she was going with her in my house.
14:27What sort of thing would possibly happen to her while she was en route?
14:32At this point, the main thing that concerned me was his avoidance of the pregnancy issue.
14:52He has to realize that him being the father of her unborn child puts him pretty high on the motive list.
15:00And I wanted to talk about it.
15:02It's a matter of trying to present new stresses to see what he might be susceptible to
15:07in the hopes of your breaking new information loose.
15:09You acknowledge that she's pregnant, right?
15:11She said she was.
15:12At some point, she has to draw the bomb on you that she thinks is your kid.
15:16All right.
15:17I mean...
15:18When did that happen?
15:19She never told me it was my kid.
15:21I'm not finding out for her.
15:22All right.
15:23What did she actually say?
15:25I mean, she just asked you and told me,
15:28she said, I'm going to need some help with this baby.
15:30And I was like, well, I can't help you.
15:32You know, I don't have a room in my finances.
15:34What sort of help did she ask for?
15:36Pampers and baby wives and food.
15:40You know, as she said, it was your baby.
15:43It's your baby.
15:44She never said that.
15:45Why would she expect you to buy the supplies?
15:47I don't know.
15:49We're almost in a debate.
15:51And we're seeing if we can use the intelligence side of the debate to get him to change his mind.
15:56And it's another strategy that we'll employ to try and get someone to change their story.
16:01I think ultimately the issue is that you just don't want to be involved because it's messy.
16:10Yeah, it is messy.
16:11Okay.
16:12It's messy.
16:13It's not good.
16:14Okay.
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16:49On the morning of November 3rd, some jet skiers found a large duffel bag that was washed up on shore of a waterway very close to Pensacola Naval Air Station.
17:03The bag had a foul odor coming from it. There was insect activity on and around it, and there was even blood that was seeping out of the bag.
17:19When the sheriff's office got there and they opened it up, they did find a body of a female inside of that bag, deceased.
17:43She had no clothing on except a bra, and she was curled up in the fetal position inside of the duffel bag.
17:53The other portion of it was that her face was taped up, which is also a behavior that someone who has a relationship with a victim will do to hide their face, almost as if to hide the shame of what took place.
18:06A latent fingerprint examiner was able to conduct a fingerprint comparison on site, and they were able to report that, indeed, this was Samira Watkins.
18:19We later learned that the cause of death was asphyxiation, most likely a strangulation.
18:27It completely changed the whole look of the investigation. It was now a homicide, and Littleton was our main suspect.
18:39When we opened the bag, there was a few things that we learned. First and foremost, she was missing an earring.
18:43When Samira went missing, we knew that she had been wearing both earrings because we obtained the video surveillance from her employer.
18:53Finding that second earring would be so important. If I found it in the possession of an individual, they would certainly be potentially the killer.
19:03There was also a couple of paper towels in the bag. You could clearly see that it had a distinct pattern on it.
19:13It was more or less pulled up into the driveway and just abandoned.
19:40So we started pulling video footage from the area. We found a local restaurant where we found footage of Littleton walking in the night that she ultimately disappeared.
19:50It puts him in the area where her car was dumped.
19:53He made mistakes. He made big mistakes.
19:55During that search, we found some key pieces of evidence.
20:12We did find a roll of paper towels that matched exactly the print of the paper towel found inside the bag with Samira.
20:23But the biggest thing found at Littleton's house was that matching earring, the earring we'd been looking for.
20:36That was a direct link between the victim, the scene, and the suspect.
20:41Any doubt that I had, which wasn't much, was now eliminated.
20:44I knew that Zachary Littleton was our killer.
20:47Littleton's arrest took place at the Pensacola Naval Air Station.
21:12It was a really good feeling to know that this was going to be a case that we did resolve and it wouldn't be one that would be hanging out as a cold case down the line.
21:23I believe the night Samira Watkins went missing, she drove over to Zachary Littleton's apartment.
21:42At some point while she was there, he strangled her to death.
21:47He placed her body inside of the duffel bag.
21:50He drove her to the Naval Air Station.
21:53He threw her body in the water.
22:01He thought that he had gotten away with it.
22:03But then law enforcement was so quickly in touch with him, and that's why he started telling the lies that he did.
22:09My job prosecuting the case would have been much more difficult without the two interrogations because the jurors would not have gotten to see Zachary Littleton's cold demeanor,
22:31his lack of concern for Samira, and the fact that he was lying in both interviews.
22:37I don't know what to think of you.
22:39You need to have.
22:40You need to.
22:41I need to?
22:41Yeah.
22:42Zachary Littleton was sentenced to life in prison without parole.
22:50Justice was served.
22:53This was such a tragic case.
22:54It involved a young mother and her unborn child.
22:58And because of that, there was a special sense of desire to do justice for them.
23:07Carl didn't show up to work, which was not like him at all.
23:36He never missed work.
23:38So people started calling, and of course they called me.
23:41Do you know where he's at?
23:42I was like, no.
23:43One of his friends started calling around and ended up calling the police.
23:58When the Newton Falls Police Department arrived on scene, they did not notice any signs of forced entry.
24:03Everything looked okay, and they eventually contacted Carl's parents, and they made entry to the house.
24:13The officer that went in immediately smelled a terrible odor.
24:18The odor was, in his mind, a dead person.
24:25And then they found my brother.
24:46We found Carl located at the bottom of the stairway, covered in a tarp and a comforter with gunshot wounds.
25:00How I found out was, my oldest brother called me.
25:11Carl was a kind person, very patriotic, family-oriented person.
25:19Carl was in the military for roughly 25 years.
25:28He flew combat missions in Bosnia, and he flew missions over in the Middle East.
25:33And the C-130s, it's a big plane, it's kind of slow, so they kind of, they're a target when they're up there.
25:41So it takes a special kind of pilot.
25:44Everything we heard about him painted him as a good citizen, a contributing member of society, and a true victim.
25:51From looking at the condition of the body, the estimate was, he had been dead two or three days.
26:01We discovered he had three gunshot wounds, two to the torso, and one to the head.
26:07And the gunshot wound sustained to Carl's head was at close range.
26:21It was obvious signs of foul play, you know, instantly apparent.
26:40We were told that Claudia was originally from Brazil.
26:44That in the late 90s, she moved to the U.S., became a naturalized U.S. citizen.
26:49Carl met Claudia through a match.com, and he dated her for a couple months.
27:00And then for whatever reason, he decided to run off to Las Vegas and go get married.
27:06That was a little impulsive for him.
27:10Six to nine months into the marriage, he started expressing some concerns about being married to Claudia.
27:19He just said he wasn't happy with her and wanted to get away from her.
27:23I believe she was taking his money. That's what he believed.
27:27So he started talking to me about wanting to get divorced.
27:34There were multiple efforts by the police and others to contact Claudia Herring.
27:38They could not connect with her.
27:40Nobody really knew where she was, so she was quickly a person of interest.
27:44Investigators learned that Claudia had recently purchased a .357 Magnum at a local gun shop.
27:59We had also spoken to witnesses who told us that she had gone to a shooting range to practice shooting.
28:07Obviously, that raises some red flags.
28:09It was very clear from the track of her phone that it was going to the Pittsburgh airport.
28:22From there, we found flight records that indicated she flew from Pittsburgh to New York,
28:32where she purchased a separate plane ticket to take her to Brazil.
28:36Within a matter of a couple months, we had Claudia located in Brazil.
28:39But based on Brazilian law and the Brazilian Constitution,
28:45they did not allow for their extradition of citizens to a foreign country,
28:49even if they're suspected of committing a crime such as homicide.
28:54So the U.S. government, they just ran into a brick wall.
28:59Brazil just didn't want to cooperate.
29:02Claudia was just living freely, out in the open.
29:05Her belief was Brazil would never extradite her, so she just got away with murder.
29:27I was looking at a couple hours, almost every night, corresponding with the embassy.
29:33I just really wasn't willing to give up.
29:39That family never let go to the idea that anybody could get away with killing their son, their brother.
29:50Our case was in the late 90s.
29:55Claudia becomes an American citizen.
29:58She signs her documents, taking allegiance with the United States of America,
30:04and denying her loyalty to Brazil.
30:07That got us in the door.
30:10I said, I don't want her Brazilian ass, I want her American ass.
30:14It was a huge relief to get her back.
30:25It was like a big block off my shoulders.
30:36Out of the blue, just mid-flight, she says,
30:39you know a wife doesn't kill her husband without a good reason.
30:44I put those of us on the plane in a really tenuous or unique position.
30:50We don't know enough about the case to question her,
30:54but on the other hand, we have no legal obligation to make her stop talking.
30:57And she spent the next couple hours of this flight telling the story that she wanted to have heard.
31:06Although I didn't have the facts of the case,
31:27I was in the unique position of, you know,
31:30having sat on that plane with her for so long that we had a rapport.
31:33My role was just to try to keep her comfortable, to keep her talking.
31:48If she doesn't give this statement to us in this room on the video,
31:51now it's her word against ours.
31:53I felt more pressure or stress than I have in any other case.
32:01Knowing the seriousness of the crime
32:03and the amount of effort that so many people put in for so many years,
32:09we felt like we can't screw this up.
32:13She told these guys everything on the plane,
32:15but now that the cameras are rolling, this is what counts.
32:18Now, it's my understanding, from what I hear,
32:42that while you were on the plane on the plane ride up here,
32:45you kind of gave these guys a statement about what happened.
32:48Yeah, partial.
32:50Partial statement.
32:51Okay, great.
32:51But I kind of want to start at the beginning.
32:53I want to go back to March 15, 2007.
32:58Okay, you're going to start from the end.
33:01Well, yeah, the beginning of the end.
33:03Yes.
33:04I thought backwards.
33:06It's going to start backwards.
33:07I think in terms,
33:10I think what you had already talked to Tony and I about on the plane,
33:15I think that that would be a very good place to start.
33:18I feel like I'm under pressure to explain things.
33:22I didn't feel that way on the plane.
33:24Right.
33:24And you're not going to be under any pressure.
33:27I'm not going to talk to you any differently now.
33:29It's very hard not to feel under pressure.
33:31But it's just scary.
33:32She had viewed me as the good guy in the interview.
33:35She felt comfortable with me.
33:38So really, the only role I could play is the one I played,
33:41and that was to reassure her and to keep her talking.
33:45I would like you to do any of this entirely of you.
33:48Just talk about the things that you talked about with us before,
33:51the things that you are already comfortable with.
33:53This is where I started wondering,
34:01is this going to happen or isn't it?
34:04You can't force anybody to make a statement.
34:07If they ask for a lawyer, the interview is over.
34:10If they choose not to talk anymore,
34:12that's their constitutional right.
34:14Whether or not this interview takes place is solely her discretion.
34:23I think that what is important is the couple of things that you said
34:33that led up to what happened that day,
34:35because she was reading a lot of things in the news,
34:38and she wants to fill in those blanks,
34:39the things that weren't correct.
34:40Is that fair?
34:41Is that kind of how all this thing started?
34:43Okay.
34:44To organize what point I was talking about.
34:50As soon as we got married,
34:51but I didn't want to be married to him.
34:54All of a sudden, he was a different person.
34:56He scared the lights out of me.
34:59He treated me very, very bad.
35:01He was, like, very aggressive with me.
35:06He made me...
35:07It was torture. He tortured me.
35:09During the interview,
35:11Claudia was claiming to be a battered wife,
35:14which we found no evidence of.
35:16What she was saying didn't match
35:17what the detectives were hearing
35:19from any of his friends, family, former girlfriends.
35:23In those cases where you have that type of abuse,
35:26there is always, always some type of corroboration.
35:31In her case, there was zero.
35:35You just got to do the hardest part.
35:36Okay?
35:37You're doing really well,
35:38and I think it's important.
35:40This is an important part of your story.
35:41She needed to feel like she had somebody on her side,
35:47and it's difficult.
35:48You know the horrific thing they did,
35:50but you have to put that all aside
35:52and at least act like you're their friend,
35:57act like you believe them,
35:59because you want them to keep talking.
36:01You really enlightened me for talking.
36:05I really want him to hear.
36:06I really want him to hear what you told me.
36:13Um, I was pregnant,
36:16um, and he got very, very angry.
36:19And he went crazy.
36:20He said,
36:21One of the things that I noticed right away
36:37was how rehearsed everything she said seemed to be.
36:40There were a lot of statements that she made
36:42in the interview room
36:43that were just verbatim,
36:45just word for word what she had said on the plane.
36:47Even some of her hand movements.
36:49It was like she had been practicing this story,
36:52and that struck me as really odd.
36:55After that,
36:56things start filing out of control, right?
36:59Yeah.
37:00I had a plan.
37:03If it doesn't want to accept this pregnancy,
37:05I'm going to kill myself.
37:06What it could.
37:08I went to a, a, a, a,
37:10a, a, a, a, a, a fire, a firing range, right?
37:12The firing range, right?
37:13Right?
37:13Because I went to shoot.
37:15They had to understand about the divorce.
37:17I can't say that I, I,
37:18I've really been made aware ever
37:20of somebody who bought a gun
37:22or obtained a gun to commit suicide
37:24that went to the shooting range in practice.
37:28Here's the thing from the aspect of an interview.
37:31Sometimes a lie
37:32is more powerful than the truth.
37:36We just had to let her keep talking
37:37because the more that she does that,
37:40the worse it is for her.
37:46So I started drinking,
37:48and, and I had a gun.
37:51What a gun.
37:52Um, so now I'm,
37:54I'm on the right track.
37:56You're on the right track.
38:07I was really nervous at that point.
38:11Generally, there is only one time
38:13that person's going to sit across from us.
38:15This is basically your one chance.
38:16So, he got home,
38:18and I said to him,
38:20um,
38:21forget it.
38:23I'm not gonna have an abortion.
38:26And he grabbed me.
38:27He, he threw me in,
38:29on bed,
38:29and he grabbed my throat.
38:31I just defend myself.
38:33He was very angry,
38:34and I, I, I already had
38:37this point to commit suicide.
38:38He said, um,
38:41that's a very, uh, uh,
38:43good idea,
38:45but just do me a favor.
38:47Uh, go to the basement
38:48to do that,
38:50because you're gonna splash
38:52my, my paintings.
38:54You're gonna splash blood
38:55all over my paintings.
38:57I mean, basically,
38:57he just told you
38:58that his,
38:58that his paintings
38:59are more important than you.
39:00Yeah, yeah.
39:01So you're pissed.
39:02Yeah.
39:03What happened to that?
39:04Well, what happened next,
39:05look,
39:06and I got very angry,
39:07and I got up real fast
39:08and I shot.
39:11Shot what?
39:12I shot, uh, the, uh,
39:14that him,
39:14and, uh, I was
39:15lying down.
39:17Come back over here,
39:18please, please.
39:19Yeah, I was like,
39:19I got up real fast,
39:22and I shot at him.
39:23It was so,
39:24he wasn't too far away.
39:25My plan was never,
39:26not for one single minute
39:28to kill anybody
39:29of myself,
39:30swear to God.
39:31It was not for a single minute
39:33I thought about it.
39:34It was relief.
39:34She confessed to shooting him.
39:37Now Mike could ask
39:38the tough questions.
39:41You were pregnant.
39:42What happened with that child?
39:44I lost the baby in Brazil.
39:45You lost that?
39:45He lost the baby in Brazil,
39:47but did you go to a hospital there?
39:48Or a doctor?
39:49No, because I was afraid
39:50to give my name
39:52and be arrested.
39:53It's paranoid for that.
39:55We did not believe her.
39:57We were never able
39:58to find any information
40:00to substantiate
40:01Claudia's claims
40:02of being pregnant.
40:03after you shoot
40:05and you get your wits about you
40:07and you realize
40:08what just happened.
40:11Did you ever think about
40:12just calling the police?
40:13Yes, I did.
40:14And I was.
40:16But my father said
40:19not because of the death penalty.
40:22I guess it's probably
40:22the simplest question
40:23that we didn't ask.
40:25Instead of killing him,
40:30wouldn't it be easier
40:30to just get a divorce?
40:31I tried.
40:32He wouldn't let me.
40:34What was his story?
40:35What was his answer?
40:37I love you.
40:38I beg you,
40:39I'll change.
40:40I love you.
40:40I love you.
40:41I can live with you.
40:42Most beautiful woman
40:43in the world.
40:43I love you.
40:44I swear I'm going to change you.
40:46I was sitting there thinking,
40:48how can anybody believe this?
40:49Right from the beginning,
40:50it felt like theatrics.
40:51I think her narcissism
40:53overshadowed her intelligence
40:56and common sense
40:57and that when she walked
40:58out of that room,
40:59that she probably felt
41:01like a winner.
41:12My personal belief
41:14is I think she wasn't real pleased
41:15that he had rejected her.
41:18He wanted to get divorced from her.
41:19I don't think she was used to that
41:21and I think she was vindictive.
41:25We the jury in this case
41:27duly impaneled and sworn or affirmed
41:28find the defendant, Claudia C.
41:30Eric, guilty of aggravated murder
41:32as she stands charged
41:34in the first count of the indictment,
41:36dated this date,
41:37signed by all 12 jurors.
41:41Claudia was sentenced
41:42to life in prison
41:44with the possibility of parole
41:46after 28 years
41:47because that was actually
41:49one of the stipulations
41:50to the extradition.
41:52You cannot overestimate
41:54the value of interviews
41:58and confessions.
41:59I got very angry
42:00and I got real fastly shot.
42:02It's instrumental
42:03to our convictions.
42:05The confession brought out her lies
42:08which were contradicted
42:09by the evidence,
42:10which in my opinion
42:11is the best kind
42:12of evidence to have.
42:13I was relieved.
42:14I don't take cases personally
42:16at all, ever.
42:17But this case was so different
42:19that I was happy
42:21to see some closure
42:22for the Harry family.
42:26The impact on my family
42:27was pretty big
42:29for that 11 years.
42:31Takes a lot out of you.
42:35It was a huge relief
42:37to finally get her convicted.
42:38Tenacity pays off.
42:43Had it not been
42:44for the tenacity
42:45of the family,
42:47for the investigators involved,
42:48this case never would have come
42:50to a successful conclusion.
42:52Justice is a journey.
42:54It doesn't end
42:55until it's done.
42:58We owe one last mission
43:01for Carl
43:03and his service
43:04to this country.
43:05We owe one last task
43:07for clients
43:09to receive
43:10the money
43:10from the sleeping
43:11fluid protesters
43:12and all tongues
43:14and all ages,
43:15and we need
43:15to receive
43:16all such effects
43:16because unfortunately
43:17we have all
43:17to be inline
43:18and she knows
43:19the slack
43:19to the children
43:20and he knows
43:20that only
43:22we'll have to
43:23input through
43:24and,
43:24but he knows
43:26that only
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43:29can be
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