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President Donald Trump has held a series of high-stakes meetings at the United Nations this week, beginning with bilateral talks with UN Secretary-General António Guterres and leaders from Ukraine, Argentina, and the European Union.

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00:00are annexing parts of the West Bank, saying they are no longer considered by Israel as a separate
00:06entity, and the Israeli law is now going to apply to them, and they are officially part of Israel.
00:11What that will mean, there's a lot of technical and legal aspects of what that will mean,
00:14but the different ideas that are being thrown around are, on the one hand, the most hawkish
00:20ideas. Those are the ones of Vitalos, Montech, and Benvir, and they are saying Israel needs to
00:25annex the entire West Bank, basically make this line here disappear, and this entire area become
00:31Israel, and as far as they're concerned, the world can keep on screaming, but that's what should
00:35happen. Then we have what Netanyahu is advocating as a, what's considered a more moderate approach,
00:42which is to annex the Jordan Valley. The Jordan Valley is this area over here along the border
00:47between Israel and Jordan, and Netanyahu has said, I can sell this. I can sell this possibly to the
00:54American Arab Emirates. I can sell this to the United States. I'm not going to annex the entire
00:57West Bank, but I can say that's a security need, that Israel is going to always hold on to that
01:01border, and just annexing that. So that's what's being thrown around in Israel, in terms of saying
01:06the Palestinians have made a unilateral move. Israel's going to make a unilateral move. Not
01:11sure what will happen. That's just important also, but in context, because we're going to be seeing
01:14Israel saying they're going to do something, whether they do or they don't. We're going to see them
01:18say that they're going to do something probably in the coming days already.
01:20I'm always so thankful for the addition of the maps behind you. It helps put all this stuff into
01:24perspective. One more thing we got to hit. While we're talking about the UN, let's discuss something
01:31that happened about a week ago. A team of independent experts commissioned by the United
01:37Nations Human Rights Council has concluded that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. They issued a
01:44report on Tuesday that calls on the international community to end the genocide and act to
01:50punish those responsible for it. Before we analyze this alone, everyone needs to know
01:55the definition of genocide. What is it?
01:59So this is one of the places where there's obviously a lot of controversy, but even a lot of
02:04problems when it comes to the debate. When people think genocide, they tend to think the Holocaust.
02:11They tend to think Rwanda. They tend to think are examples of an attempt to completely wipe out and
02:17annihilate a population. And they think and we can see that by the sheer numbers. Now, that maybe should
02:24be the right definition morally, not morally, that's a question for everyone to debate. But legally, in
02:31international law, that is not the definition. International law actually does not say anything about how many
02:36people have to have been killed. What international law says that this is based on the Rome Statutes as the
02:42definitions of International Criminal Court going back to 2002. It says that I'm actually just going
02:47to read it out there in front of me. According to the Rome Statute genocide is committed when one or more
02:53of the following five categories of underlying acts is committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in
03:00part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. And the five categories include killing members of the group,
03:07causing serious bodily injury, deliberately inflicting conditions that make it impossible for the group to
03:13live, imposing measures that are intended to prevent births, and forcibly transferring children from the
03:19group to another group. So legally, what international legal scholars are debating are whether Israel has done
03:27that in the Gaza Strip, then that theoretically, again, according to the report, according to the definitions,
03:33has nothing to do with the amount of people killed. And I'm just bringing that up because very often the
03:37debate is, what are you talking about? Even if you accept the numbers of the Palestinian health ministry,
03:42which as I've said, people probably should, but even if you accept them, that's 65,000 people killed.
03:48How could that be genocide? We don't talk about genocide in Syria, in Ukraine. There are hundreds of
03:53thousands of people killed. The reason why there's often a debate is because when people think genocide,
03:58they think numbers. But the international definition is not about numbers. It's about
04:03the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, members of a group. And then it lists specific categories.
04:10That's just in terms of the definition where there's often confusion.
04:16So, and then, you know, the logical next question there is, how do people work out
04:22how to parse out where they should fall on this spectrum alone? If there's an international definition,
04:38and then people, as you say, need to debate it amongst themselves, how are we to decide whether
04:45what's happening in Gaza does meet the definition of genocide? Is the answer simply,
04:50it's within the eye of the beholder? Something else?
04:53So, I'll say two things. I'll say how this commission looked at it, and then maybe how
04:57people should think about it. In terms of how this commission looked at it, they looked for
05:03these five things, the intent to destroy large members, or in whole or in part, the Palestinian
05:10nationhood. And the operative word there is intent. And that is another thing that people often forget,
05:17that the distinction largely between genocide and crimes against humanity, is that you can commit
05:24mass acts of atrocities and murder. And that, for example, the leaders of Hamas were summoned to
05:30the ICC and an arrest award was given on crimes against humanity for mass murder on October 7. But
05:37what the definition of genocide is, is that legally, you have to say that the state had the intent
05:44to actually do this. It's the intent to do this, not the outcome. And one of the things that the
05:48commission did is simply look at the rhetoric. The rhetoric that was used by the Israeli government,
05:55by the Israeli prime minister, by the military commanders. Rhetoric saying you should new Gaza.
06:01Ministers and cabinets saying we should kill all the men in Gaza. Israeli prime minister saying we're
06:07not going to allow any food into Gaza. All these things that often were seen as just populist
06:12statements that may or may not have actually been implemented into policy. But then the commission
06:17says, okay, if we see that there is starvation in Gaza, then we have statements of the state leaders
06:24saying we are going to starve them out. Okay, now we have our proof, so to speak, that this was the
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07:01The commission relied only on Palestinian evidence that was submitted. And it says that in the report,
07:06it did not have any defense submitted by Israel. Israel said it's not cooperating. So that's in
07:10terms of if we are to understand this commission and the fact that it found Israel guilty, that's how
07:15it was looking at it. In terms of how people should debate this, and this is again often comes up in
07:20my classroom. I often get asked. I say a couple of things. First of all, make sure that you know what
07:27you're talking about with whoever you're talking to. Because very often people are, one person is
07:32coming and talking from the moral stance. Is Israel committing genocide? Do Israelis want to kill all
07:37Palestinians? And someone else is coming from the legal stance. Do you meet this requirement legally
07:43to say that you have or you haven't? And very often that's where people do not understand each
07:47other. So the first thing to think about when you're trying to understand is this genocide or not
07:52is what are both sides talking about? Who are you coming? What are you and your partner you're talking
07:59to? What is your definition? And what is it that you're debating? That's point number one. Point number two
08:05is also important to remember. All of us really care about issues in the world. Most of us really don't
08:13know actually all the evidence and what is actually happening. Most of us are going based on our gut
08:18instincts. The definitions of genocide are a legal definition. And especially to an audience in the
08:23United States, we know very well how litigious systems work. Someone could be guilty as hell,
08:30but they get let off on a technicality because the legal definition said A, B, and C. Or even more
08:35regrettably, someone could be innocent, but they end up being found guilty because of circumstantial
08:40evidence. And that's also important to remember. When we say is it guilt or innocence,
08:43the definitions are legal. They're not about is this right or wrong? Is it moral or is it not moral?
08:49And that is also something that's important to remember because people often feel very impassioned
08:53as though if you say there's genocide, then that means that you are an anti-Semite or hate Israel.
08:59And if you don't say there's genocide, that means you don't care about the Palestinians and you don't
09:03care what's happening in Gaza. The truth is the commission and the way the United Nations looks at
09:07this is a legal question. Does it meet these standards? And if so, what has to be done?
09:13So that's something that helps encourage people as much as we all feel impassioned about this.
09:17Remember, as far as the UN is concerned, it's a legal question. And when you are trying to debate this,
09:22make sure that you are clear if you and your partner are talking in the same way.
09:26Is it a moral question or a legal question?
09:28Alon is the host of the Israel-Palestine Report on YouTube. You can go give him a subscribe. Look up
09:35either his name or the Israel-Palestine Report. You can go give him a subscribe. Alon always
09:40appreciate the insight. Take care. Have a good rest of your night.
09:43Thank you. Have a good night.
09:44All right. So what we're going to do is, and you know, we did see some live blasts,
09:50uh, indicative of the idea that the IDF continues its campaign at this hour.
09:55Um, the time right now just past six in the morning is real standard time. Time for us to hit a break.
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