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CIA analyst John Nixon is the first person to interrogate Saddam Hussein after his capture.
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00:00A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:30COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE
00:34LIFE IN AMERICA, MAN, IT'S BEAUTIFUL
00:42WHEN THEY STARTED THE WAR, 2003
00:45THEY WANT PEOPLE TO BE A TRANSLATOR
00:48WITH THE SPECIAL FORCES
00:51I WAS LIKE, I'M IN
00:54WE GO KICK DOORS
00:57LOOKING FOR ANYTHING THAT LED US TO THE CAPTURE
01:01OF SADAM
01:04I HATED HIM, I HATED THE REGIME
01:08THIS MAN DESTROYED THE COUNTRY
01:11THIS MAN HURT ME AND HURT MY FAMILY
01:15A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK ME, LIKE, HOW COME YOU?
01:20HOW COME YOU THE ONE?
01:22I JUST WAS THERE IN THE RIGHT TIME
01:25WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT PLACE
01:27IN THIS SERIES, THE STORY OF THE IRAQ WAR
01:32IS TOLD BY CIVILIANS, JOURNALISTS, AND SOLDIERS
01:36WHO LIVED THROUGH THE 2003 INVASION
01:39AND THE YEARS OF CHAOS THAT CONTINUE TO THIS DAY
01:42WE SET UP THE PERFECT CONDITIONS
01:47IT'S THE PERFECT STORM FOR AN INSURGENCY
01:51THE INVASION BASICALLY RATICALIZED THE WHOLE SOCIETY
01:54IT FORCED PEOPLE TO RELIGIOUS EXTREMES
01:57THAT TO ME WAS ALWAYS ONE OF THE GREAT IRONIES
01:59I THINK THAT HE'S BRINGING A HEALTH
02:13SO I'M GOING TO BE DOING THE ANTICS
02:17WE DON'T HAVE SOME SIDDAM
02:20WE DON'T HAVE SLEEPT
02:22SO I'LL BE YOU
02:24WE DON'T HAVE SLEEPT
02:26A CIDADE NO BRASIL
02:56It then ended when Saddam used his army to massacre over 80,000 of his own people.
03:02And hundreds of thousands more had to flee their homes.
03:13This is in Nasiriyah, my city.
03:19That's the reason we left quick.
03:21You'd rather have to die than get captured by these guys.
03:29I have a lot of friends that are missing.
03:33They didn't even find their bodies.
03:34Sometimes it feels like yesterday happened, you know.
03:56We're hoping one day is a miracle going to happen that takes Saddam away from power.
04:15And I just want to be part of the operation to go and fight to help free my own people.
04:23I just want revenge.
04:29We're going to show you this appreciation letter that I got from the military.
04:41This is back in 2004.
04:44I met President Bush.
04:46People, when they see these pictures, they get so excited.
04:50They always like to hear the story.
04:57They like what I did.
04:58I wanted to be part of history in some way.
05:10And I thought that working at the CIA would enable me to do that.
05:15And I was right.
05:17John Nixon was a senior analyst for the CIA during the Bush administration.
05:22He'd studied Saddam for years and volunteered to go to Iraq soon after the war began.
05:27From my experience working as a CIA analyst,
05:41I've come to the conclusion that all the best analysts have a bit of the obsessive in them.
05:48This is Apollo Saturn launch control.
05:51When I was young, I became fascinated by space exploration.
05:55I knew all the names.
05:58I knew all the dates.
05:59I even knew the Russian missions.
06:01I wanted to be an astronaut.
06:02That's very pretty out here.
06:04After astronauts, it then became sporting teams like hockey and baseball and football.
06:09And then after that, I became kind of obsessed with popular music, like the Grateful Dead.
06:19And then when Saddam invaded Kuwait, I had kind of an obsession with him.
06:26Colorful stories about his family.
06:28There are all sorts of petty jealousies and hatreds.
06:34It's like the Simpsons with guns.
06:40He was such a big part of my life.
06:47We would spend hours every day talking about what he was up to for years and years and years.
06:54He was becoming my new Neil Armstrong, you know.
06:58We used to watch videotape of him all the time.
07:02Oh, this is a great clip.
07:04One of the turning points in his rule is the famous Bat Party conference.
07:17He basically assumes the presidency, and there are a lot of people who don't like that.
07:26And so he held this party conference to kind of get everybody in one room under the pretext
07:31of having a very important statement.
07:35He says there's been a plot, and he starts reading out names of people he deems disloyal.
07:42And suddenly, everybody gets very nervous.
07:44And at one point, he even gets to a name, and he says,
08:03Mohamed, and he pauses, and he says, no, no, and he crosses that out.
08:09So everybody in the auditorium, his name Mohamed, is like, oh, thank God, you know.
08:14But he subsequently has these people arrested, imprisoned, and then executed.
08:20It's political theater, and that wasn't lost on him.
08:26He sees a name, and he wipes tears away.
08:29He's showing that he's doing this not because he's bloodthirsty or ruthless,
08:34but he has to do this for the good of the country.
08:36I mean, he was making a point that I have the power now,
08:47and you're all going to sit here until I let you go.
08:50And some of you are not going to survive, and it's me making that decision.
08:54And I have to be honest with you, I thought that maybe if we do remove him from power,
09:03we can create a better situation for Iraqis, and we can help them.
09:07And, you know, I look back on those ideas that I had, and I think they're incredibly naive.
09:15But at the time, I supported what George Bush was doing.
09:20I still had hopes that we could turn this thing around,
09:24and catching Saddam was a very important part of that hope.
09:29He acted quickly on the intelligence, but it looks like we probably missed him by about 24 hours.
09:34We were getting a lot of pressure from Washington to find Saddam Hussein.
09:41And hundreds of people are involved in this.
09:45But it was just very difficult because the Iraqis know that the CIA is in Baghdad,
09:51and they also know that they're paying money for information.
09:54I am today announcing a $25 million reward for information leading to the capture of Saddam Hussein.
10:00And so there's a lot of reporting coming in, and most of it's garbage.
10:08The one that I always thought was the funniest was that he was dressed as a woman and hiding in a Baghdad bus station.
10:14It's the hardest place I've ever tried to cover as a journalist because it was so complicated.
10:29It was changing so fast.
10:31But I thought, partly for that reason, because it was a place that was constantly changing,
10:40that the thing could work.
10:44I felt that way for a long time.
10:47Dexter Filkins covered the Iraq War for the New York Times from 2003 until 2010.
10:53There was this whole theory at the time that Saddam had always planned it this way.
11:21That he knew that his army would not be able to resist the Americans,
11:26and so he had essentially planned for a guerrilla campaign.
11:34And that he is, in fact, actually not just the inspiration for the insurgency,
11:41but he's actually running it.
11:43And so the idea was if we could capture Saddam, then the insurgency would die.
11:51US soldiers taking part in another pre-dawn raid.
12:00Their target, one of Saddam Hussein's bodyguards,
12:03a man the US hopes could lead them to Saddam himself.
12:06We killed his son in a firefight right down here and around the corner.
12:11They had launched RPGs, they were heavily armed.
12:13We radiated so many places.
12:21Every time we get there, it's going to be a little, a little late.
12:24These guys are moving around.
12:27We bring people in, they give us more information,
12:29and we move to the next.
12:31Seven, they just have eight and nine left.
12:33Eight.
12:34Eight.
12:34Ultimately, special forces were looking for a guy named Muhammad Ibrahim Umar al-Muslim.
12:39He was the chief bodyguard protecting Saddam.
12:45This is the bodyguard.
12:47He's supposed to know who Saddam is.
12:49The forces at this moment, they're raiding the farm.
12:53They're breaking doors, kicking doors.
12:55All that screaming, guys screaming, yelling, all that.
12:59They search the farm.
13:01Nothing.
13:02I was like, Muhammad, right now, where's Saddam?
13:08He's like, it's okay, it's okay.
13:09He's inside the bunker.
13:11I was like, where's the bunker?
13:13He's like, the bunker you guys stand on.
13:16We started looking, and I was like, really?
13:19How'd you get to the bunker?
13:21And he started doing this with his feet.
13:24Then he's just, he's like, you got a shovel?
13:27Wow.
13:33We didn't know it was a bunker, because it's hard to see it.
13:36It was covered with dirt.
13:39It looks like a sewer.
13:41I saw a hand coming out of that hole.
13:44And we all pulled him out.
13:47And when we pulled this man, it's like, it's an old man.
13:54And then I was like, it's him.
14:03Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
14:15Iraq's future has never been more full of hope.
14:18There is a new opportunity for the members of the former regime
14:24to end their bitter opposition.
14:32What we will see next is a picture of Saddam Hussein
14:36at the time he was captured.
14:38Nobody expected to see Saddam Hussein
14:40so battered, so broken, so humiliated.
14:44He looks a little beat up there.
14:45He started calling me a traitor, and it's bye.
14:49I mean, I started punching him in the face.
14:53It felt so good.
14:55And then he tried to bit my hand.
14:58It was going to bite me.
15:01So I grabbed from his beard,
15:03shaked him like crazy, hard as I could.
15:07You coward.
15:08You are nothing.
15:09You're a pussy.
15:11I'm going to kill you today.
15:12You're going to be my bitch today.
15:15He did not like that at all.
15:18I told him about who I am.
15:21I told him about I was part of the uprising.
15:24And I started kicking him.
15:26Kicking and kicking.
15:28I was like, let me take my chance.
15:30Let me take my revenge.
15:32And then, finally, my boss came and said,
15:35enough, you can't do this anymore.
15:37I was like, please, please, please.
15:40And he said, no, Samir, he can't do that.
15:44Boom.
15:48Yeah.
15:49Well, within the last hour, President Bush has said Saddam would see the justice he had denied millions.
16:05Good afternoon.
16:06I have a message for the Iraqi people.
16:09The goals of our coalition are the same as your goals.
16:13Sovereignty for your country.
16:15Dignity for your great culture.
16:16And for every Iraqi citizen, the opportunity for a better life.
16:22And that's the goal.
16:24I think it points to the fact that Saddam wasn't pulling the levers of the resistance.
16:29It's not the kind of place that you could direct an insurgency from.
16:34Interestingly, he had quite a penchant for bounty bars and for Mars bars.
16:38Now, what about the weather for the week ahead?
16:41Here's Rob McKelvey.
16:42Rob, good evening.
16:43Good evening.
16:43Good evening.
17:12Eles falaram com eles, eles falaram com eles.
17:15Eles queriam ver esse cara.
17:22Eu não consigo imaginar esse cara.
17:25Ele me ensinou.
17:29Então quando ele foi capturado assim,
17:31ele pensava que não era ele.
17:34Não é possível ser o cara do mesmo.
17:36Ele é invisível.
17:37Ele é como Hercules.
17:39Mas agora é ele.
17:41Ele é Saddam, mas ele é uma pessoa.
17:44Ele não é um Deus.
18:41Todos eles estão passando e passando.
18:44Todos eles estão passando e assistindo.
18:46Não é para eles.
18:47Eles não estão indo para eles.
18:49Eles não estão indo para eles.
18:52A mãe estava por um lado na descrição.
18:55Uma vez era uma pessoa de um homem.
18:57Ela falou que tinha um homem que eles tinham,
18:59que eles tinham um homem que eles tinham.
19:01E ela ficou com o próprio.
19:03Não é apenas um filho de meu filho.
19:06Nós somos nós.
19:07Nós somos nós.
19:09Nós somos nós.
19:10Como a grande maioria dos Iraqueiros, a Mãe Ibrahim é um Shia-Muslim.
19:21Depois de anos de opressão, a maioria dos Shiais celeraram o fim do regime.
19:27Mas foi a minoria de Sunnis, que aumentou menos de 20% da população, que sempre governou em Iraque.
19:34Alguns Sunnis saw Saddam's captcha as the end of centuries of their power.
19:45Lots of explosions that day.
19:48And the shooting kept happening for three, four nights.
19:56And it was very dangerous to go out,
19:59because people were very angry,
20:02especially, I mean, the supporter for Saddam.
20:06But then it settled down.
20:13Washington is caught by surprise.
20:16They have a live Saddam Hussein on their hands
20:19and now has to figure out, what are we going to do with him?
20:22And so it takes a couple of days,
20:24and then eventually we find out that we're going to be the ones in charge of debriefing him.
20:31At the end of 2003,
20:33John Nixon started a five-week interrogation of Saddam Hussein for the CIA.
20:39We get to a door and then the door opens.
20:44And there he is.
20:45The first thought that came to my mind was,
20:48holy shit, it's Saddam.
20:50It's actually him.
20:51Even in his reduced state as a prisoner,
20:55he had a sort of,
20:57I don't want to sound crazy or anything,
20:59but he had a certain aura around him.
21:01That was, that was, you felt it.
21:03And I mean, it took my breath away.
21:06You know, I just said to him,
21:07you know, we're here to ask you some questions
21:10and we want you to answer these truthfully.
21:12And he listened and then he just sort of leaned forward.
21:16And he just, and he had this mean laugh.
21:18He was like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
21:24Let me ask you something.
21:26Who are you guys?
21:27What are your names?
21:29Where do you come from?
21:30Identify yourselves to me.
21:31And he's acting like we are his guests.
21:34You know, this is still his country.
21:36He just had this demeanor that said,
21:39well, I come here every Saturday night
21:41and I always greet my guests this way.
21:43So in any event, surprisingly,
21:48we get very little guidance from Washington.
21:51In early 2004, George Bush thinks
21:57that Iraq is a solved problem.
21:59Mr. Speaker, since we last met in this chamber,
22:09the people of Iraq are free.
22:12Having broken the Baptist regime,
22:28we face a remnant of violent Saddam supporters.
22:32We are dealing with these thugs in Iraq,
22:35just as surely as we dealt with Saddam Hussein's evil regime.
22:42The White House wants to know about,
22:44where is the weapons of mass destruction?
22:46And it's really all they want to know.
22:49And he'd say,
22:51you found a traitor to turn in Saddam Hussein.
22:53Why don't you go find another traitor to turn in this WMD?
22:56And then he launched into this whole thing
22:58about how he didn't have WMD.
22:59And then he just said,
23:00you know, you're being misled by your leaders.
23:03Your leaders are terrible.
23:04You know, they are people who don't know what they're doing
23:08and they don't know the trouble that they're causing
23:11and they don't know the problems
23:12that they're creating for themselves.
23:14Your leaders are terrible.
23:16You people don't understand what you've done.
23:17He said, because of what you've done,
23:19you remove Saddam Hussein from power.
23:21You know, Iraq is going to become the playing field
23:24for international terrorism.
23:26You've created the conditions for more terrorism, not less.
23:37Though Iraq was still governed by the coalition,
23:40the intention was to hold democratic elections
23:42as soon as possible.
23:45But the end of Saddam's police statement
23:47that people were already enjoying new freedoms
23:49they'd been denied for decades.
23:52for three days.
23:53I was driving.
23:54I decided to leave.
23:56And there were no challenges.
23:57I couldn't decide.
23:58I couldn't wait.
24:00I couldn't wait.
24:01I couldn't wait.
24:02I couldn't wait for him.
24:03I couldn't wait for him.
24:04I couldn't wait for him.
24:05I couldn't wait for him.
24:06O que aconteceu é isso. Não podemos nos preocupar. O que aconteceu é a liberdade.
24:17Segundo o regime antigo, Saddam tinha abençoado festivais religiosos como a Shura,
24:22onde os Shia-Muslims moram a morte do filho do prof. Mohamed.
24:27O que a Shia foi?
24:30O que ele disse aos Estados Unidos, ele decidiu deixar ela na terra a emblema da violência.
24:34Nós abonçamos.
24:39Temos pensado que essas coisas ficam mudanças e inteligentes e amados por todo o dia.
24:45Mas a coisa apareceu sem vida.
24:482003 foi a primeira vez que a Shia foi capaz de celebrar a Shura em anos.
24:57E foi maravilhoso, incrível, e peaceful.
25:022004, foi muito ruim.
25:10Eles foram atacados por nove bombas.
25:40Foi um terrorífico ataque.
25:44175 pessoas mortas, 100 pessoas mortas, bodies em todo lugar.
25:50Bombas como isso se tornou mais comum.
25:52Mas foi uma das grandes coisas que mostrou apenas como morto e heartless isso era.
26:02Isso foi quando tudo se tornou.
26:06A Shura bomba confirmou que a insurgency havia evoluído.
26:16O que começaram as uncoordinated attacks de pessoas que se tornaram no regime,
26:22tinha crescido em uma rede complexa terrorista.
26:26No ano de 2004, foi conhecido como Al-Qaeda em Iraque.
26:34Al-Qaeda em Iraque, que foi fundado por Abu Musab al-Zakhawi
26:38era uma espécie de descanso de descanso.
26:44Eles não poderiam parar.
26:46Eles não poderiam parar.
26:47Ele era um maluco.
26:48Ele era um maluco.
26:50Ele era um maluco.
26:54Zakhawi era um extremista Sunni.
26:57Ele decidiu que, porque eles eram uma minoria,
27:00e não poderiam ganhar as eleições,
27:02a única forma para os Sunnis regalarem o Iraque
27:05era para ganhar uma guerra civil.
27:07Os Estados Unidos encarnou a rotais sa pytanie.
27:23Os Estados Unidos encarnou-se
27:24Os Estados Unidos encarnou-se a ordem da Sarkawi.
27:28Os Estados Unidos encarnou-se
27:30Na guerraria das alles.
27:35They wanted the Shiite to start killing Sunnis, because that would bring the civil war.
27:43So it was an incredibly dark vision, absolutely insane.
27:48What wasn't clear was, you know, whether they could pull it off,
27:52whether Al Qaeda in its insanity could do this.
27:56But the anger was building, and it was building and building and building.
28:00You know, if you go out into the streets, people would say,
28:03we want to strike back.
28:07The Shiites, by and large, want a revenge.
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28:30Eu não acredito que ele não se sente.
28:32Não é necessário que ele esteja com esse fogo.
28:40Então, eu adorquei aqui,
28:42porque eu não adorquei a escola.
28:46E as coisas que eu fiz,
28:48eu vi tudo.
28:50Eu vi tudo pequeno.
28:52Eu não escrevi.
28:54Eu nunca escrevi.
28:56Acho que eu não vou fazer isso.
29:02Mas o que eu vou ver é que ele não é muito bom.
29:14Aqui está o que eu vou fazer.
29:16É...
29:22Não é necessário que ele faça um filho.
29:26Eu acho que uma pessoa é jovem
29:28e a árvore é uma árvore de sangue.
29:31Não é necessário.
29:43Eu comecei a fazer uma situação de mal.
29:46Um dia depois de dia.
29:50Eu vi as pessoas que saíram de sangue
29:54e deixaram de sangue.
29:57Eles deixaram de sangue e deixaram de sangue.
30:00Eu me lembro de sangue.
30:11Eu me lembro de sangue.
30:25Eu me lembro de sangue.
30:27Eu não me lembro de sangue.
30:29Eu não me lembro de sangue.
30:30Eu não me lembro de sangue.
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33:20para a primeira vez.
33:24Antes de 2003, quando Saddam estava controlando a dictatorship,
33:29você nunca encontrou alguém que diz que há diferença entre os Iraqueiros.
33:33Foi muito difícil.
33:34O que você quer dizer que há diferença entre os Iraqueiros?
33:37Não há diferença entre os Iraqueiros.
33:39Você não pode dizer quem é Siní, quem é Shiaí, quem é Christian.
33:44Nós somos um país e um povo.
33:47Essa é a boa parte daquele momento.
33:53Muitos de campanha agressiva por parte dos políticos
33:56que ajudaram a dividir os Iraque em diferentes facções religiosas.
34:02O que é que eu sou de Siní, eu preciso de Siní.
34:06Eu sou de Siní, eu preciso de Siní.
34:08Eu preciso de Siní.
34:09O que ele não vai ser de Siní,
34:11ele não vai ser de Siní,
34:14em torno de religiosos, em torno de religiosos e em torno de Tâifa.
34:19Então eles começaram a alimentar essas ideias para as pessoas.
34:23Quem são eles? Quem você está falando?
34:24Eu estou falando de os políticos.
34:27Então eles dividiram Iraque, literalmente.
34:29A muito bem-quidada, elegante-se mulher.
34:32A me deu muito mal com alegria.
34:33Ela me olhou com incrível.
34:35E disse,
34:39Ele disse, você, você americans, você destruiu nosso país, e você chamou a democracia.
34:52Então, uma coisa que levou a guerra civil foi a eleições.
34:58O que levou a guerra civil foi a guerra civil e a guerra civil e a guerra civil e a guerra civil.
35:28Ele pensou que isso poderia acontecer.
35:38Ele poderia fazer isso.
35:47Em octobre 2005, Saddam e os membros do seu regime começaram a procurar os crimes contra a humanidade.
35:59Ele...
36:02Ele...
36:04a fazer a maior equipe de atosso
36:07com a autoridade.
36:09E até que a terra não se entregou
36:13de uma equipe de atosso e de uma equipe.
36:16A equipe de atosso é a necessidade
36:20de atosso.
36:22A equipe de atosso.
36:25A equipe de atosso.
36:28A equipe de atosso.
36:31Eu acho que todos eles me acompanham, eles não estão se assustando.
36:38Não se preocupa, não se preocupa. Não se preocupa com ninguém.
36:44Eu sei, eu sei que há pressão sobre ele.
36:48Eu tenho um dos meus filhos e eu vou fazer.
36:52Mas não é daquilo, não é daquilo que eu vou fazer, não é daquilo que eu vou fazer.
36:57É daquilo que eu vou fazer.
36:59O que eles vão fazer.
37:01Cause jamão...
37:03O que ele não se preocupa, nem se preocupa.
37:06Mas não sonido e não?
37:11Então não.
37:15Se preocupa com os Estados Unidos e os Estados Unidos e os Estados Unidos e os Estados Unidos e os Estados Unidos.
37:24Os Estados Unidos e os Estados Unidos e os Estados Unidos.
37:27e o caramba, e o caramba, e o caramba, e o caramba de Deus.
37:35Não pode me enxar.
37:46Eu senti lá e falo com ele como eu e você agora.
37:49Sem brincadeira, eu jogava com o cara, e ele me derrotou duas vezes.
37:52Ele derrotou em três movimentos, e depois eu disse, você não vai derrotou me de novo,
37:55e eu vou dizer, se você não derrotou me em cinco.
37:56Eu não sei como ele fez isso até hoje.
38:00Brandon Barfield foi um dos militares que guardou Saddam durante o seu trial.
38:06Esse é o main building que nós keptes ele em.
38:09As você pode ver, o whole building é basicamente destruído.
38:13Nós fizemos isso, então ninguém vai pensar que ele estava lá.
38:16Tem um pequeno concrete wall aqui, e aí é onde ele se sent, e aí é onde ele se sent, e aí é onde os plantos foram.
38:23Ele ia estar lá e tal, e aí era ele falando com os alunos, e aí era o tempo.
38:26E aí, ele ia sempre joked porque era um monte de weeds e tudo.
38:31Basta, nós eram babysitters.
38:33O que ele queria, ele tinha.
38:34Brandon's unit called themselves the Super 12. Part of their job was to escort Sedan to court.
38:44I remember one day he got right to the door and he's like, I'm tired. I didn't sleep good. I'm not going to court.
38:52He said, I want to smoke a cigar with his buddies, with all the rest of them on trial.
38:56And I was like, I don't know what to tell you, boss man. I said, you got to go to court.
38:59So I opened the door. He goes, watch this. As soon as I opened that door, man, he stepped in. He started yelling, calling the judge all kinds of names.
39:10He was in there maybe three and a half minutes. And I remember he took a deep breath and I think I'll have my cigar now.
39:32And I was like, I said, man, this guy is running the court, man. And I couldn't help but laugh. I said, man, I said, you got him, boss man. I said, you got him.
39:40So we took him downstairs, got him a cigar. And he wanted all his buddies to come down there. So they canceled court that day and gave that man his cigars with all his buddies.
39:49I just thought that was the craziest thing, man. I said, but yeah, whatever he wanted, he got, man.
39:53He was captured as a coward, man. But you see him at the court. He was screaming at the judge, yelling. And he's acting still like the president and he's not afraid of anything.
40:11He just started making himself looks better. Pissed me off big time. I mean, how could he get away with that? How? I mean, he committed so many crimes against the Iraqi people, killing thousands of innocent civilians.
40:32A person like him, he should not have no mercy, really.
40:36A person like him, he said, you should not have no mercy.
41:06How did they make you feel when you saw those images?
41:22I had a relationship at that time. I didn't, I didn't care anything. I didn't care about anything.
41:27Well, tell me about the moods on the street then. Do you remember the mood of the country?
41:30His, his popularity grow. He lost it zero and then he started to gain it again from the court.
41:39On the streets? On the streets, yes.
41:41The new Shia-dominated government begged for calm.
41:51But coalition troops had been unable to stop the Al-Qaeda attacks on Shiite civilians.
41:56What is it really like to try to cover this war on the ground in Iraq?
42:11It's dangerous all the time, everywhere. And you just have to think through everything that you do very carefully before you do it.
42:19But there's no way to do it without taking a lot of risks.
42:21You know, I'd wake up every morning and there's 15 Sunni males, bullets in the back of their head, in one of the Sunni neighborhoods.
42:33And those were the hardest neighborhoods to go into because the Sunni neighborhoods often had the big kind of Al-Qaeda presence.
42:39So it was difficult for us to try to figure out, like, what's going on here?
42:43But slowly we kind of pieced it together and what, what was happening was the, the kind of American-built, American-trained, American-armed, Iraqi police force and army, largely Shiite,
42:59was like moving into the Sunni neighborhoods and just, and killing Sunnis. And they were striking back.
43:03And so they'd have their uniforms on, but it would be like, tonight after work, we're going to go into the Sunni neighborhoods out west and we're going to, like, take down some guys.
43:19We're going to set up some checkpoints. We're going to pull everybody over and look at their ID card.
43:26And if you see a Sunni name, like Omar, that's a Sunni, give it to them.
43:33We were carrying two IDs. One for a Sunni checkpoint and the other for the Shiite checkpoint.
43:48It's different. The names, the tribe, the province, everything.
43:52Lots of people got killed and they are Sunni. They were killed by a Sunni checkpoint because they pulled the wrong ID.
43:58And they were like, no, no, no, no, we are Sunni, but we are faking where she is. And shh, they were killed.
44:10As the sectarian violence in Baghdad intensified, millions fled the capital.
44:15I don't want to call it an exodus, but we've come across quite a few people leaving for good.
44:23Mostly people with money. The poor can't really afford to do it.
44:26I've noticed a lot of doctors and other guys like that doing it.
44:31So I told my family to leave Iraq.
44:33Repeatedly told them, go to Syria like everyone else.
44:37Just go to Syria and live there.
44:39They refused.
44:40Why?
44:41I don't know. They say, no, this is our country.
44:44This is the city that we have to be here.
44:46I don't know. This is bullshit.
44:47This is the city that we have to be here.
45:17Okay. Here we go.
45:44There's a walk on the left side.
45:47And still, the civil war didn't start yet.
45:53It was only a chaos before the war.
45:58When would you say the civil war began then?
46:00The civil war began 2006, beginning of 2006.
46:06The event that finally pushed Iraq into a civil war was the bombing of one of the Shia's holiest shrines.
46:21Every hour that passes here brings yet more violence.
46:29We're now hearing about a massacre on the outskirts of Baghdad.
46:32But that's just one of many, many incidents.
46:37And Jonathan, in terms of the military response, what are the British and American troops doing?
46:40The Americans have told all their troops here in Baghdad and the surrounding regions that they should not travel.
46:46They should stay in their barracks unless absolutely necessary.
46:50And it's the same in the south.
46:51We've had no reports of British troops trying to calm this situation down.
46:54It was like the worst thing ever happened to Iraq because normal civilians fighting normal civilians and for no reason.
47:05They're just like, let's, let's, let's go, let's fight.
47:08Just because they are Sunni and they are Shia and that's it.
47:11I was ready to die.
47:23Everyone in Iraq was ready to die.
47:26He knows that he could die any minute.
47:29Random bullets, explosion, American convoy, anything in the street could kill you.
47:41It was like hell in Iraq.
47:54I don't think there's a family and they didn't lose anyone.
48:00Everyone was losing everyone.
48:08Can you tell what happened to your brother?
48:09Do I have to?
48:14Of course you don't have to.
48:21It's, I hate that moment.
48:26My brother was, he, he was killed in a very brutal way.
48:35The, the, the, the mortar shell fell right on his head.
48:42And he was, he became pieces, literally.
48:50I saw the pieces.
48:54And we collected the pieces to make a body.
48:57So my mom thinks that there's a human.
49:03But there wasn't a human.
49:09I don't want to talk about it, please.
49:11I don't want to.
49:25Is that what?
49:25I don't.
49:27. . .
49:57He said, I am at peace with my God, and everything that I did, I did for the Iraqi people, and basically, I'm okay with that.
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51:58E ele foi desculpado porque ele estava sendo desculpado
52:05e sendo tratado como um traitor.
52:08Ele disse que era uma pessoa de cara de cara.
52:10Ele queria ser morto por um esquadro,
52:12porque era o jeito que ele disse que os soldados deveriam die.
52:17E ele tinha uma garrafa de garrafa que ela fez.
52:23Ele não conseguiu tirar a garrafa
52:24porque era o jeito dele de ser com ele.
52:27Ele estava falando sobre ela todo o tempo.
52:48Ele sabia exatamente o que ia acontecer.
52:50Ele sabia exatamente o que ia acontecer.
52:52Ele sabia exatamente o que ia acontecer.
52:54Ele ia acabar com os inimigos daqueles.
52:57Ele era desculpado.
52:58Ele não deveria ter sido assim.
53:04E para mim, quando eu vi isso acontecer,
53:07eu disse,
53:08essa é a final justificação para a guerra que agora foi retirada.
53:13que era uma guerra.
53:15A guerra que era um novo raquil.
53:17Ele era um novo raquil.
53:18Ele era um raquilão.
53:19Ele era um raquilão.
53:20E que tudo seria diferente.
53:22Mas, em vez, eu estava vendo isso em meio de noite.
53:25E, em vez, era um raquilão de raquilão.
53:27E, em vez, era um raquilão.
53:30Ele era um raquilão.
53:32Foi naquele momento em que eu comecei a sentir-se complicit em uma acção quase criminosa.
53:41E eu comecei a pensar que não deveria estar lá, que não tinha razão para estar lá,
53:48e que tudo que fazemos a situação pior.
53:50Isso é um país que foi brutalizado, você sabe, brutalizado em todas as formas, por décadas.
54:07Muitas pessoas estavam felizes com o que foi feito.
54:10Eles queriam isso.
54:11Não dignidade, não cerimônia.
54:13Fácil, façam, façam.
54:15Fácil, façam!
54:15Fácil, façam, façam!
54:17Fácil, faça...
54:18Fácil, faça...
54:18Fácil, faça...
54:19Fácil, façam!
54:20Fácil, façam.
54:23Fácil, façam.
54:27Liar!
54:32O jeito que ele foi executado foi tão famine 네unch Reformas
54:33Que trabalhou, ou seja, assim,
54:37O fato de tão foize,
54:40É feito é que transforma esse gotta殺amente
54:43Em muitas pessoas程as, de muitos lo Sea's de matos
54:45Música
55:15Farr قتل هواية
55:17وراس قوت صدام
55:25كل الأمهات خايفات
55:31تقول الله ما نام
55:33ما نام أبدا أخاف على ابني
55:45هذا كان إبراهيم
55:49وهذا أخوه بسام
55:53كل مكان هو ويا
55:55متفاهمين
55:57هذا القبر مع إبراهيم
56:07على مجروح
56:12هو بكبد
56:15موسيقى
56:29وأنا خسرت ابني
56:31خسرت زوجي
56:32وخسرت حفيدي
56:34موسيقى
56:36موسيقى
56:37موسيقى
56:38موسيقى
56:40موسيقى
56:43موسيقى
56:44نفسي
56:45أحاول أخار
56:47العيني
56:49Eu não queria ficar em casa onde meu irmão foi morto, eu não podia, porque eu acho que minha família, é a culpa deles.
57:03Eu disse para ir em Iraque e eles não fizeram.
57:05Depois disso, eles disseram, oh, agora devemos ir à Syria.
57:09Ah, é muito tarde.
57:11Então eu não podia ver eles.
57:15Então eu me deixei para meu irmão em Ramadi, e eu moro por dois anos com meu irmão.
57:24Em Ramadi, Al-Qaeda é o controle da rua.
57:32Eles controlam todos os detalhes da sua vida.
57:35Claro que as mulheres não podem fazer nada, além de estar em casa.
57:40Eles fazem você assistir as pessoas que foram mortas, enquanto eles estão mortos.
57:44E eles terrifiam todos os dias.
57:47Tudo que você pode imaginar, eles fizeram.
57:50Mas pelo menos no Ambar, em Ramadi, eu sei que eu tenho um inimigo.
57:54É Al-Qaeda.
57:55Em Bagdad, há 1,000.
57:57Eu não sei quem quer me matar e por que.
58:00Mas no Ramadi, há Al-Qaeda.
58:02Eu tenho que esconder de eles.
58:04E é isso.
58:05E aí, Isis veio.
58:07E aí, Isis veio.
58:08E aí, Isis veio.
58:09E aí, Isis veio.
58:10E aí, Isis veio.
58:15A única escolha que você tem é
58:36either to be a victim
58:37or to be the killer.
58:41We have one against ISIS.
58:45We've beaten them
58:46and we've beaten them badly.
58:49All episodes in the series
59:04streaming now on BBC iPlayer
59:06and Once Upon a Time in Iraq
59:08the book is available now.
59:11Cuban leader Fidel Castro
59:12and his desire for revolution
59:14tomorrow at nine on BBC Two.
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