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03:10a trainer, everything in wrestling for the last 40 years.
03:14When I started working for the WWF at the time,
03:18Vince's inner circle, they were lifers.
03:21They had been in the wrestling business forever,
03:23and I felt that they were looking at the wrestling business from within.
03:27I came as a fan.
03:29Vince McMahon is somebody that is never going to be fully understood.
03:34He's a genius and a demon.
03:36Vince McMahon has no other hobbies.
03:38I doubt very seriously if he's gone to the grocery store
03:41or been to a movie in over 40 years.
03:44But Vince McMahon has always been the WWF.
03:47I got a call from Vince's assistant,
03:50and she said, Vince wants to see you up here immediately.
03:53So I literally think I am going up to his office to be fired.
03:58Then as I walk in his office, all the minions,
04:01Bruce Prichard, Jim Ross, Pat Patterson, Jim Cornette,
04:05and Vince has got the raw magazine in his hand.
04:10And he slams it down on the table, and he says,
04:13this is what our television show needs to be.
04:17And from that point on, I became involved in the writing of the show.
04:22Vince Russo brings an outsider's perspective to the secretive world of matchmaking,
04:26and he isn't afraid to push his own vision of what wrestling could be.
04:30At first, I was like, okay, he's a goof.
04:32He's never been involved in wrestling.
04:34He doesn't know how this stuff works.
04:36We can try to explain it to him.
04:38And within a few months, I realized he didn't want to learn.
04:42He wanted to do wrestling the way he wanted to do it,
04:44which was the Jerry Springer show.
04:46The Jerry Springer show was the hottest thing on TV.
04:51We literally would sit there and write Monday Night Raw
04:55with the Springer show playing in the background.
04:58This approach would become the Attitude Era.
05:01You had angles where guys were stealing each other's wives,
05:06or, you know, one guy stole the other guy's dog and cooked it and fed it to him.
05:10Back then, man, you had fraternities on college campuses
05:14gathering every Monday night to watch Raw across the country.
05:19So, number one, you can't, you don't want to insult their intelligence
05:22because they'll never watch it again.
05:24And number two, you don't want to mamby-pamby it.
05:27That's what I was all about during the Attitude Era
05:29was what was going to make a casual television viewer
05:33watch this product if they weren't a wrestling fan.
05:37To maintain their edge,
05:40WWF needs a constant stream of original ideas,
05:43something audiences have never seen before.
05:46Look, here's the deal, man.
05:48You've got to bring something to the old man.
05:49He's looking for an idea.
05:51What's the next big thing?
05:52I don't know.
05:53How about this?
05:54Okay.
05:55I'm Jim Ross.
05:56Got in wrestling in 1974.
05:58So my career has lasted for many generations
06:01as a broadcaster, as administrator,
06:03and executive vice president.
06:05The idea came from Vince Russo.
06:07So get inside his head.
06:08Hell, I don't know.
06:09The idea from the Brawl for All was really simple.
06:13Okay?
06:14I was not a big fan of JBL.
06:17John Layfield.
06:18I was from New York.
06:20John was, you know, from Texas.
06:22I thought he had a big mouth.
06:23I thought he was full of himself.
06:25I thought he was a bully.
06:28We were backstage at a show one day,
06:30and John Layfield made the comment that if this were real,
06:35I would beat everybody's ass in the locker room.
06:38So now I'm sitting there, and I'm saying,
06:42you braggadocious bully bastard.
06:46I know of at least 10 guys in this locker room.
06:48I'll kick your ass.
06:49I went to Vince McMahon, and I proposed the idea of a brawl for all.
06:54And he goes, what do you mean?
06:55I said, Vince, we're becoming more and more and more and more real.
06:59Let him fight for real, man.
07:00Put on gloves.
07:01Let him go out there.
07:02Let him fight.
07:03Let's legitimately see who the toughest guy is.
07:08Vince gave the idea his blessing,
07:11and we went on with the brawl for all.
07:15The top stars have nothing to gain,
07:17risking their reputation in an unpredictable fight.
07:20The challenge is to find 16 competitors with nothing to lose.
07:26I got stabbed with the bottle, the wine bottle.
07:29It was in a bar fight, and they broke a bottle and stuck it in.
07:32When they stuck it in, they went in and up,
07:33punctured the lung, lung collapsed,
07:36shredded the diaphragm and lacerated the liver.
07:38Everybody knows me as Bart Gunn here in the States,
07:41part of the Smoking Guns, Cowboy Gimmick.
07:44We rode horses out.
07:46That was pretty cool.
07:47Hey there, I'm Bart, and I'm Billy.
07:49Yahoo!
07:52For whatever reason, everybody that comes in as a tag team,
07:56eventually they get split up.
07:58When Billy and I were split up,
08:00my career kind of, I don't want to say fizzled.
08:03I guess it's good to say it fizzled out.
08:05Just, I had a hard time adjusting to it, though.
08:08It was a little difficult.
08:12When I first approached, it was Bruce.
08:15He says, hey, we're going to do this brawl for all,
08:17kind of a tough man contest.
08:19I go, how are you going to do that?
08:21I said, no, I said, don't want to do it.
08:22I thought it was a stupid idea.
08:24And then Kevin Kelly, he said,
08:26this here would be great for your career.
08:28He says, you're kind of stuck right there at the middle,
08:30and you go through this,
08:31and he says, you'll have a great run with Austin,
08:32because that's the winner of the tournament.
08:34He's going to get a run with Steve Austin.
08:35At the time, he was the hottest thing going.
08:37And then, of course, you work with the top, top guy,
08:40you get top, top pay.
08:41And I thought about it, thought about it,
08:43and that's when I decided that I would go ahead and do it.
08:46The WWF approaches their toughest,
08:49most underutilized wrestlers
08:50with the lure of cash prizes and main event status.
08:55Well, there are a lot of tough guys in the locker room.
08:57I think when I looked at this thing,
09:00I'm like, Godfather,
09:03like, was probably the toughest guy.
09:06Big 6'7", 6'8", guy.
09:08Worked in bars and been a bouncer.
09:10My real name is Charles Wright.
09:13I wrestled for many years in the WWF
09:16as everything from Papa Shango to Kama.
09:20Joined the Nation of Domination
09:22with The Rock and that whole group.
09:24And then became my favorite person ever,
09:27The Godfather.
09:29Selling white girls on TV,
09:31talking about getting high,
09:32and selling pussy.
09:34I'm in the Nation of Domination now.
09:36They're building up Mark Henry.
09:38The Rock's taking over.
09:40So now I'm like, I gotta make a change.
09:42They're not doing nothing with me.
09:43Bruce Pritchard had called me and said,
09:46hey, we're doing this thing.
09:47You get, I think, $10,000 if you fight
09:50and so much more if you win.
09:51And you're wearing gloves.
09:53And I'm like, hell yeah, I'll do it.
09:54That's the type of stuff I do anyway.
09:56So I was in right from the beginning.
09:59Darren Drozdoff was one of my favorite recruits
10:01of all time.
10:01Came out of the University of Maryland.
10:03He just wanted to compete.
10:05They brought me in as a football player
10:06to see if I could learn the sport.
10:09We saw footage of him puking on an NFL game.
10:12I threw up all the time.
10:13If I was throwing up at that time,
10:14if I could grab ahold of you,
10:16you'd get one in the face.
10:17I brought him to the WWE office
10:19and to have a meeting with Vince McMahon.
10:21Vince loves that kind of humor.
10:23If you're a writer and you come up with a skit
10:24that involves puking, taking a dump, peeing,
10:28you'll probably buy it.
10:29He's gonna puke!
10:31He's gonna puke!
10:32He's gonna puke!
10:33He's gonna puke!
10:35Whatever it takes, you know,
10:36the way I thought, we'll do it this way,
10:38I'll come in as puke, right?
10:39You know, I got my foot in the door or whatever,
10:41and, you know, I just went from there.
10:44Russo's idea is gaining traction,
10:46but not everyone in the WWF
10:48is convinced it'll work.
10:50I first heard about the Brawl for All,
10:52I believe, at one of the TV tapings
10:54when they were mentioning
10:55it was gonna be starting in the next few weeks.
10:58And as I grasped what they were talking about,
11:01I got more and more concerned about it.
11:04You don't know it's not gonna work until you try it.
11:06I didn't kill the idea in my mind's eye
11:08when I first heard it.
11:09There was no precedent for it.
11:11And you're taking guys out of their element
11:12and putting them into their imaginary element
11:14of what they pretend they know,
11:16and that's barfighting.
11:17When some of them hadn't been in a barfight,
11:19now the wrestlers are living out their fantasies.
11:21And the result is chaos.
11:27With the unusual concept
11:29of combining professional wrestling
11:31and real fighting,
11:33the architects of the Brawl for All
11:34make final preparations.
11:36They went around to all the talent
11:39and asked who wanted to participate.
11:41The story was,
11:42and I didn't see this hat,
11:44but the story was that
11:45the pairings were chosen at random
11:46by drawing names out of a hat.
11:49What we did,
11:50and we did it in my office,
11:51had Savio Vega.
11:53We had a brown paper bag.
11:55I wrote everyone's name down
11:56on a piece of paper,
11:57threw it in the bag,
11:58and Savio drew the names.
12:00And the first name drawn
12:02was the first name on the bracket,
12:03and so on and so forth.
12:05So that's how the brackets were made.
12:06As the brackets are set,
12:08these 16 men become
12:09the official competitors
12:10in wrestling's first ever
12:12legitimate prize fighting tournament.
12:14You knew Steve Blackman
12:16was like the real deal.
12:17Then you had a guy like Mark Merrow,
12:19who was a legitimate
12:21gold gloves champion.
12:23Mark Canterbury,
12:256'5", 300,
12:27punches like a bull.
12:28John Layfield Bradshaw,
12:30he's a big old rough and tough Texan.
12:32Brockus was a bodybuilder.
12:34He didn't have any mobility.
12:36Brockus had about as much business
12:38in the brawl for all as I would.
12:40Savio Vega always had
12:41like a little bit of a belly,
12:43but could take care of himself.
12:45Hogg would have no problem
12:46pulling a guy's eyeball out
12:47and eating it
12:48or biting his nose off his face.
12:50Mark Gunn was hardworking,
12:51dependable, loyal.
12:52You could rely on him.
12:53Draz was a no fear kind of guy.
12:57Bob Holly was a badass
12:58on a street level.
13:00Carl Ouellette,
13:01big time talented kid.
13:02Godfather,
13:03he beat up people
13:04like for a living.
13:06Dan Severin
13:06was a UFC Hall of Famer,
13:08a super fight champion,
13:09a triple crown winner.
13:10Ron Harris walked into bars
13:12for one reason
13:13and that was to fight.
13:14Too Cold Scorpio
13:15had decided he would try
13:16and break out of the flash funk,
13:18ha-ha gimmick.
13:19The one man that stands out
13:23is recent WWF acquisition
13:25Steve Williams,
13:27also known to fans
13:28as Dr. Death.
13:30He's like a little brother.
13:32We brought him out of college,
13:33gave him his first job.
13:34Introducing first
13:35in the red corner
13:36from the University of Oklahoma,
13:39Steve, Dr. Death, Williams.
13:42He was a homegrown,
13:44sentimental favorite.
13:45I think he was
13:45four-time All-American football
13:47and I believe he's
13:48a four-time All-American wrestler, too.
13:50Toughest guy in the business.
13:51Does this face look like
13:53he's ever been scared?
13:55Jim Ross' boy.
13:56A lot of heat for that,
13:57saying that,
13:57but he's Jim Ross' boy.
13:59You hear about the stories of Japan,
14:00he's just beat the Japanese up,
14:02drop them on their head.
14:04Come on,
14:05James, get it off.
14:06The reason we're bringing
14:07Dr. Death into WWE
14:08was to eventually have a run
14:10with Stone Cold.
14:12So we thought,
14:12if this works out
14:13and Doc can pull his way
14:15through this tournament,
14:16we might have him ready
14:17to have a program with Austin.
14:19These guys,
14:21for years and years,
14:22go out there
14:23and they have
14:24a choreographed fight.
14:26You know at some point
14:28in the locker room,
14:29like, these conversations
14:31really had to come up.
14:32Like, how bad an ass
14:34is Steve Blackman?
14:35Now it was real.
14:36Now a lot of these questions
14:38were going to be answered.
14:41Scheduled over a two-month period,
14:44The Brawl for All
14:45premieres June 29, 1998
14:47on Monday Night Raw.
14:49Each match consists
14:50of three one-minute rounds
14:51with five points awarded
14:53for each landed punch
14:54and each takedown.
14:55The last man standing
14:57will receive a $75,000 cash prize.
15:02We are watching The Brawl for All
15:04for the first time
15:05in over 20 years.
15:06Look, look, look, look, look,
15:07look at this here.
15:08Look, look.
15:09See?
15:11Oh, this is great, man.
15:12Catching up.
15:13God, I was 28 years old
15:15and I'm 50 now, so.
15:17Maybe two, three, four hours
15:18before the match,
15:20getting ready
15:20to fight a UFC fighter.
15:24Well, me, I was outside
15:26with some of the girls
15:27smoking cannabis.
15:29And that just goes
15:30to show you one,
15:31that I was always
15:31smoking cannabis.
15:32That's not the big deal.
15:33Is I had no fear.
15:35Let's go.
15:36Anybody who knows anything
15:37can tell right off the bat
15:38these guys do not know
15:39how to box
15:40and it's just sloppy.
15:41You've gotten away
15:42from all your moves
15:43and all your setups.
15:45It has nothing
15:46to do with wrestling.
15:47Jim Ross had to try
15:48to explain to the fans
15:49why these guys
15:50may be great wrestlers,
15:51but they look like
15:52two drunks in a bar
15:53right now.
15:54It's not just the fans
15:55who are frustrated.
15:56The chaos of the fights
15:58makes them difficult
15:58for anyone to follow.
16:00I was so confused
16:02whenever I got signed up
16:03and the rules kept evolving
16:04and a takedown is legal.
16:06I don't know if that's
16:06a takedown or a knockdown
16:08or...
16:09Well, is that a takedown?
16:10That should be
16:10a takedown right there.
16:12Do you think?
16:12You've got a referee
16:13that's never refereed
16:14boxing or a competitive fight.
16:17You've got judges
16:18that have never judged
16:19any type of competitive fight.
16:20When you've got stupidity
16:22on this grand, biblical scale,
16:24anything is possible.
16:26I mean, again,
16:26I gotta be honest with you.
16:28As a pure television viewer,
16:32I'm totally entertained by this.
16:35Dan Severn narrowly defeats
16:37the Godfather in the first round,
16:39but senses his reputation
16:40as a decorated fighter
16:41is at risk if he continues on.
16:44He decides to drop out
16:46of the tournament altogether,
16:47which sends the Godfather
16:49into round two.
16:50Nobody knew what was going on,
16:52and that's when guys started saying,
16:54let's just punch each other.
16:55Make it exciting.
16:57Just throw punches.
16:58Somebody gets knocked out,
16:59they get knocked out.
17:00At the time,
17:01I was wrestling with Bob Holly.
17:02We were a tag team.
17:03We were actually
17:04the Midnight Express,
17:05but my first bout and his,
17:07they put us against each other.
17:09You know, I just thought
17:10that was really
17:11a shitty way of doing it.
17:13So, yeah, we drew him.
17:13We drew him all out of the hat.
17:15It's just the way it came out.
17:16No, I'm not buying that one.
17:18As the reality of the situation
17:21takes hold,
17:23brotherhood and professional
17:24relationships are put aside.
17:26My friend, my partner,
17:28we're going to go out
17:28and whack each other.
17:30Started kind of weird
17:32because we travel together,
17:34we shared the rooms.
17:35You know, we always ate together,
17:36go train together.
17:37So, well, I got to hit him
17:38or he's going to hit me.
17:39Oh, that letter smacking.
17:41I didn't go easy on him.
17:42I wanted to win.
17:43Here is your winner,
17:44Boat Nation Sport.
17:45Do you recall
17:46what it was like afterwards?
17:47Yeah, well, actually,
17:48we had to get in the car
17:49because we stayed
17:50in the same room that night.
17:52It was a little quiet,
17:53a little awkward.
17:54I think we might even
17:55have had a match
17:56or something the next day
17:57together, you know,
17:58as a tag team.
18:01Vince McMahon can't keep
18:02his finger out of anything.
18:03So even something that's
18:04supposed to be
18:04a legitimate shoot,
18:05he probably said to himself,
18:07as long as they're really fighting,
18:08we can play with the matchmaking
18:10all we want.
18:11People have talked about
18:12that they've had
18:13the Dr. Death theory
18:14that this was skewed
18:16to Dr. Death,
18:17put him in there
18:17with a one-eyed guy.
18:19No, it wasn't.
18:21Carl Ouellette
18:22had sight in one eye.
18:23Should have been
18:24to Brawford all hell no.
18:25What are we thinking?
18:26He's blind in one eye.
18:28I don't remember
18:29who the first injury was.
18:30Was the first of several.
18:32He's one after the other.
18:34I tore my bicep
18:35and, I mean,
18:36tore pods and tore ACLs.
18:38It was like it was jinx.
18:40Vince could have
18:41pulled the plug
18:42on this any time
18:43he wanted to,
18:44but he chose not to.
18:46It didn't take
18:46but one week of TV
18:48to convince me
18:49that this thing
18:50has shit the bed.
18:52I dreaded having
18:52another night
18:53of Brawl for All matches
18:54because you never knew
18:56who's going to get hurt tonight
18:57because it seems
18:58to be inevitable
18:58and enough is enough.
19:01The Brawl for All tournament
19:02is already on the rocks,
19:04but through the chaos,
19:05an unlikely hero
19:07is set to emerge.
19:08When I was in the ninth grade,
19:15I weighed 89 pounds.
19:17I was the shortest kid
19:17in class,
19:18so I got picked on
19:20constantly.
19:22They slap you in the head,
19:23they push you,
19:23they trip you,
19:24knock your books
19:25out of your hands.
19:26Then I got older,
19:28grew up,
19:29got a little bigger,
19:29and then I kind of
19:30went back,
19:31and everybody that
19:31kind of picked on me
19:32I went back
19:32and paid up a visit,
19:34let them know
19:34what it was like.
19:35After an awkward victory
19:38over his tag team partner
19:40in the first round
19:40of the Brawl for All,
19:42Bart Gunn awaits
19:43his next opponent.
19:44Well, what happened was
19:46Bruce calls me up.
19:47He says,
19:48oh, Bart,
19:48just going to let you know
19:49you're going to be
19:49fighting Dr. Death.
19:51I go, really?
19:52He says, yeah.
19:53I said, oh,
19:53so you changed
19:54the brackets around.
19:55And I go, well,
19:56Bruce, why don't you guys
19:57leave it like it is
19:58and save us for the end?
19:59I said, you know,
20:00I'd be more than happy
20:01to work with you guys
20:02because everybody knows
20:03you guys want him to win.
20:04He goes, no, no,
20:05we got all the faith
20:06in the world in Dr. Death.
20:07That tells me right there
20:08it was designed for him.
20:09Absolutely.
20:10I already knew that
20:10because any time
20:11they actually advertised
20:12the Brawl for All,
20:14they talked about Steve.
20:15I said, okay.
20:16I said, well,
20:17let me ask you this.
20:18Am I going to get heat
20:19with you guys
20:20when I beat him?
20:21He goes, oh, no, no, no.
20:22We got all the confidence
20:23in the world in him.
20:24Now, Bruce at that time
20:25had known Doc
20:27for a long time
20:27just like we all had
20:28and I think kind of giggled
20:30and said, sure, yeah,
20:31knock out Dr. Death.
20:32When they said that,
20:33it kind of made me feel like
20:34now they're already
20:35putting him with me now.
20:36Maybe they don't have
20:37any confidence in me
20:38and I'm just a nobody.
20:39Well, why wouldn't you
20:40have confidence in Dr. Death?
20:42Is that a sin?
20:43He was a four-time
20:44All-American in wrestling
20:45in Division I.
20:47They don't give that stuff away.
20:49As soon as I walked in the door,
20:50Pat Patterson,
20:51he walked right up to me.
20:52He says, oh, so you're going
20:53to knock out Dr. Death,
20:55are you?
20:55And at that time,
20:56I was just furious.
20:57It just pulled my blood
20:59because they snagged
21:00at me all day long.
21:01They said, oh, yeah,
21:02you're going to knock him out.
21:02You're going to knock him out.
21:03I go get something to eat
21:05or anywhere in the hall,
21:06somebody would have
21:07something smartass to say.
21:09They're all back there.
21:10They got their little clans
21:11and yakking,
21:12so just kept it all bottled up
21:14all day long.
21:15When that match came on,
21:17it was standing room only
21:19at those monitors.
21:20It became very, very, very real.
21:23As both men head to the ring,
21:26Dr. Death is the overwhelming favorite.
21:28At that time,
21:29I was so furious
21:30because of what everybody
21:31in the office was saying.
21:33And I was more tunnel vision.
21:34I wasn't seeing it any other way.
21:36I was going to go out
21:37and beat him.
21:38Stood there toe to toe,
21:39just thinking my mind,
21:40okay, this is it.
21:42This is what I'm going
21:42to have to do.
21:44The stakes are high
21:45in this matchup
21:45and the brawl for all.
21:47He took me down.
21:48I was kind of surprised at that.
21:51But then at some point,
21:52Bart switched up his game plan
21:54and took Doc down.
21:55Uh-oh.
21:58He was like halfway
21:59out of the ropes
22:00and he's like,
22:00damn, brother.
22:02And then I just said,
22:03sorry,
22:03what do you want me to do
22:04with the shoot?
22:05It's not like
22:05we're out there working.
22:07Then at some point,
22:09Doc tore his hamstring.
22:10Yeah, I think I get him down.
22:11Now, this could be
22:12that's a takedown.
22:12And now suddenly,
22:13Dr. Death Steve Williams
22:14has become a 300-pound,
22:16one-legged man
22:17in an ass-kicking contest
22:18where you need to be mobile.
22:21You know, right there at the end,
22:22you know,
22:22as I caught him
22:23a couple times,
22:23he was staggering.
22:25And I thought,
22:25man, he's fixing to go down.
22:28And then it happened.
22:29Boom, boom, boom.
22:31The big left hand
22:32by Bart Garon
22:33caught the doctor.
22:34And down goes Doc.
22:36He's out cold,
22:37you know,
22:38and I was like,
22:38oh, shit.
22:40And my heart sunk
22:41and I got a bad feeling
22:43in my stomach
22:43because I knew
22:44here went Dr. Death's
22:45WWF career.
22:48Dr. Death's injuries
22:49are so severe,
22:50he's forced to undergo
22:51a lengthy rehabilitation.
22:53But the damage
22:54to his reputation
22:55proves far worse.
22:57Within a year,
22:58he'd be out
22:58of the WWF entirely.
23:01There comes Russo
23:02walking down the hallway.
23:03I said,
23:03are you happy?
23:04You just cost a company
23:05five million dollars
23:07in one night.
23:08And he looked at me
23:09and, what are you talking about?
23:10I said, you idiot.
23:11Dr. Death Steve Williams
23:12just got beat
23:13on live television
23:14in front of everybody.
23:16What difference is it
23:17about Bart Gunn's
23:18going to be a star now?
23:19I said, I want to kill you.
23:20I would like to just
23:21squeeze you
23:22until your britches are full
23:23and your eyeballs pop out.
23:26Dr. Death,
23:27I'm sure we could have
23:27done a lot with him,
23:28but it's not like
23:29he was coming in
23:30at his peak
23:31or his prime
23:31or on his way up.
23:33It's probably fair
23:34to say his best years
23:35in wrestling
23:36were behind him,
23:37but no doubt about it,
23:38you know,
23:39that injury
23:39definitely cut his career short.
23:42Kind of quiet
23:43when I went back.
23:45Management didn't say
23:46anything to me.
23:47I had all the heat
23:48on me then
23:49because I just
23:50knocked out
23:50J.R.'s boy.
23:52This whole Dr. Death element
23:53in the Brawlford office
23:54has been so grossly
23:55overthought
23:56that it has embarrassed me
23:58about some of my peers
23:59and some of my friends
24:00that actually believe
24:01there's another story.
24:03There's this covert action
24:04that's going on.
24:05We'll never really
24:05know the answer.
24:07Come on.
24:08Grow up.
24:11I didn't really see anybody
24:12from the office
24:13after that,
24:13so it's kind of like
24:15you guys were
24:16picking at me
24:16and, you know,
24:17I did what I was going to do.
24:19Bart secures his place
24:21in the semifinals
24:22where the Godfather awaits.
24:24In the other match,
24:26Draws takes on Bradshaw.
24:30F***bag it.
24:31I got you cocksucker.
24:33That's Bradshaw for you.
24:34Dirty bastard.
24:36Did Bradshaw know
24:37that you had built it
24:39around him?
24:39Oh, yeah.
24:41Absolutely.
24:41Well, I'm sure I reminded
24:43him a couple times.
24:44Should have gotten
24:45freaking points
24:46for a takedown there.
24:47That was a takedown
24:49under any rules,
24:50screwy or not.
24:51That was a takedown.
24:51How would you call this one,
24:52JR?
24:53Who do you think?
24:53Well, it's close.
24:54Very close in my book.
24:55I'm on Draws' side here.
24:58Here's your winner,
24:59Bradshaw!
25:00There it is!
25:01Bro, I'm going to cry
25:02bullshit.
25:04Now I'm going to be bitter
25:04for the next couple days.
25:06You guys got to be bitter.
25:08I won't fight.
25:08I got tears in my eyes.
25:09I'm like, fired up like shit.
25:13It ended up
25:14and had me wondering,
25:15of course.
25:15I don't know
25:16if the people upstairs,
25:18if they wanted me
25:18to fight Bart at the time.
25:20And I still think
25:21that it was, you know,
25:23that I won the fight.
25:24But Bradshaw didn't go
25:25around bragging
25:26because he knew.
25:28I so badly wanted Bradshaw
25:29to get his ass kicked.
25:31That's all I cared about
25:32because he was so cocky.
25:34He was so confident
25:35when he made the remark.
25:36He couldn't back out
25:38of it now
25:38because I would be
25:39the first one to say,
25:40wait a minute, whoa.
25:41I just wanted to see him
25:43get his cock clean.
25:44I'm being honest.
25:45With only one fight
25:46left before the final,
25:48it's up to Bart Gunn
25:49or The Godfather
25:50to keep Bradshaw
25:52from having the last word.
26:00Working at this club
26:01right here in the 90s,
26:03and I was the manager
26:04from 5 o'clock
26:05in the morning
26:05until 1 in the afternoon,
26:07and I hated pimps.
26:09And I would say,
26:10if there is any pimps
26:11behind this bar,
26:13they better not be here
26:14in the next five minutes
26:15because I will knock you
26:16off your bar stool.
26:18And I swear to you,
26:19I would walk behind the bar,
26:21the pimp was sitting there
26:22just cracking as hard
26:23as I could,
26:24and they'd start running.
26:25But yeah, man,
26:26I used to be able
26:27to knock people out
26:28by slapping them
26:29in their face.
26:30The Godfather's
26:32second-round victory
26:32over 2-Cold Scorpio
26:34advances him
26:35to the final four.
26:36He's just two wins away
26:37from claiming
26:38the $75,000 prize.
26:41Standing in his way
26:42is tournament underdog
26:43Bart Gunn.
26:45Well, this is going
26:46to be a tough fight.
26:47It's big.
26:48Then I'm watching him
26:49like shadow boxing stuff.
26:51And I go,
26:51wow, he's got boxing skills, too.
26:53I went into that fight
26:55way overconfident.
26:57I'd been smoking all day.
26:58Yeah, but I smoke
26:59all day, all the time.
27:00Just before I fought Bart,
27:02he says,
27:02I'm going to knock you out.
27:04And I'm like,
27:05yeah, okay, good luck.
27:07Do you remember anything
27:09of what you were thinking
27:09before going into that match?
27:11Hit him.
27:11Don't let him take me down.
27:13Stone-cold face, okay?
27:15Psyched myself up.
27:16I come out throwing leathers.
27:17And here we go.
27:18This is going to be
27:18a slugfest, JR.
27:20You know, we were punching.
27:21I think he kind of caught me
27:22and went pretty good.
27:24I was like,
27:24wow, that kind of stung
27:25a little bit.
27:26And somewhere in there,
27:28he hit me with something
27:29that knocked me to the ground.
27:31And I remember going back
27:33to the corner saying,
27:34I don't have my legs.
27:35I don't have my legs.
27:37I don't have my legs.
27:38Every single person
27:40was at the monitor.
27:42And nobody could believe it.
27:44Bart looking for the left.
27:45Oh!
27:46But it's a right hand!
27:47It's a right hand!
27:48It's a right hand!
27:49And the Godfather is down!
27:52He is out!
27:53His head hit the ropes
27:54or come real close to it.
27:56Kind of went out of the ring
27:57and kind of hang in there.
27:58It's like, wow,
28:00I hope he's okay.
28:01I mean, the reputation
28:02of the Godfather
28:04and, you know,
28:04Bart being under the radar,
28:06I mean, unbelievable.
28:10My wife was really upset
28:12because she was counting
28:13on that money.
28:14She was not happy about it.
28:16She blamed it on me smoking.
28:18And I'm like, eh.
28:19I didn't give Bart
28:20the amount of respect
28:21that I should have.
28:22This is a few days
28:24after that fight.
28:27I was up.
28:28And I couldn't walk.
28:29I had to get in a wheelchair.
28:31My leg got infected.
28:33I got this cut out.
28:34Oh.
28:35Woo!
28:36Maybe that was the stupidest idea
28:38in wrestling right there
28:39because a lot of people
28:40did get hurt.
28:42The injuries were a big, big deal.
28:44Here's what it meant.
28:44It meant taking guys off the line.
28:46They were sitting at home.
28:47They couldn't work.
28:47They couldn't earn.
28:48And that cost the company money
28:50because they weren't able
28:51to be productive.
28:51It wasn't a good thing.
28:53How morally
28:55and intellectually bankrupt
28:56and irresponsible
28:57do you have to be
28:58to create a situation
29:00where your stars
29:01get legitimately injured
29:03just to get even
29:04with a wrestler
29:05who was bragging
29:06about how tough he was
29:07in the locker room?
29:08He can't be feeling good
29:10about getting in the ring
29:10with Bart, man.
29:11There's no way.
29:13At that point,
29:14that was like the finals.
29:15There was only one more left
29:16and that was Bradshaw.
29:17After a rollercoaster
29:19two months of combat,
29:20the Brawl for All final is set.
29:22A one-time long shot
29:24against the man
29:25who inspired it all.
29:28Both men have trained
29:29very diligently
29:29for this contest.
29:31Come out.
29:33Just a couple punches.
29:34Caught him.
29:35There he goes!
29:37Unbelievable!
29:39Golly!
29:40It's like, wow, it's over.
29:42Then he got back up.
29:43I was like, whew.
29:44You okay?
29:45Let's go.
29:45Well, this may not last
29:47much longer.
29:47Oh, there it is!
29:49Oh, my God!
29:52That's it!
29:52Whoa!
29:54Four guys!
29:55There's your winner!
29:56Four!
29:57Goal!
29:58Take a look at a guy
29:59that has just made a name
30:01for himself
30:02in this business.
30:03Oh, my good night.
30:07Man, he even had
30:08the jittery legs.
30:09Did you see the jumpy legs?
30:10The smelling salt
30:12ain't doing nothing to him.
30:15When Bradshaw got knocked out,
30:16it was scary
30:17because his eyes
30:18obviously weren't there
30:19and he twitched a little bit
30:21and you could tell
30:21he wasn't home
30:22even a while afterwards.
30:25When I saw Bradshaw
30:26get knocked out,
30:27I could not hold back
30:28those emotions.
30:28Like, I'm sorry.
30:29This whole tournament
30:31was because of him
30:32and his mouth
30:34and there he was
30:35laying on the canvas
30:36unconscious.
30:38Bro, you know
30:39the old saying,
30:40don't, don't,
30:40never, never ask for,
30:42how's that go?
30:44You get what you ask for
30:45or, you know what I mean.
30:47He didn't understand
30:48even then
30:49what he had done
30:50to this day.
30:51The moron
30:52doesn't understand
30:53what he's done.
30:54I believe he sabotaged
30:56the talent,
30:57the integrity
30:57of the business,
30:58got people
30:59legitimately hurt
31:00and killed
31:01a future superstar
31:02and doesn't realize
31:04he did anything wrong.
31:05There in a nutshell,
31:07you have the skid mark
31:09on the underwear of life
31:10that is Vince Russo.
31:13I'm 57 years old.
31:16Jim Cornette is my age.
31:17When is this ever
31:19going to stop?
31:20Cornette believed
31:21in the stake
31:22of the business,
31:23Russo more
31:24of the sizzle
31:24of the business
31:25and therein
31:26they have
31:27a tremendous
31:27controversy
31:28and conflict.
31:30They'll never be
31:31on the same page
31:32in my lifetime.
31:33Jim Cornette
31:34leaves a message
31:36on my answering machine
31:38threatening to kill me,
31:40threatening to kill
31:41my entire family.
31:43I said,
31:43I'd just like to tell you,
31:44you no good piece of shit,
31:46you
31:46what a piece of shit
31:48you are
31:49and how you narrowly
31:50escaped getting put
31:51in a hospital by me
31:52with a goddamn baseball bat
31:53for all you've done
31:54to me and my friends
31:55and the careers you've ruined
31:56and the shitty wrestling
31:57that you've produced.
31:58I just wanted to make sure
31:59that you knew that
32:00from my own lips.
32:01And I'm just like,
32:02bro, this is wrestling.
32:04Like, are you serious?
32:06Like, you're gonna kill me
32:08over professional wrestling.
32:09Why is he doing this to me?
32:11Just over wrestling?
32:12Just over wrestling?
32:14That's what it's always been
32:15because he just,
32:16I can't believe
32:17that he would do this to me
32:18just over wrestling.
32:20And wrestling
32:20has been the most important
32:22thing in my life.
32:26With a disastrous
32:28brawl for all finally over,
32:30Bart Gunn has proven
32:31to be the toughest guy
32:32in the locker room
32:33and he was ready
32:34to jumpstart his career.
32:36But he was in
32:37for a brutal awakening.
32:46Well, these here are the gloves
32:47that they gave me
32:48for winning the brawl for all.
32:50It is my privilege and honor
32:51to present you
32:52with these golden boxing gloves.
32:55What was your reaction
32:56to winning this whole thing?
32:57It was great.
32:58I said, man,
32:58I'm finally gonna get
32:59a great push.
33:00Jim Ross comes up
33:01and talks to me.
33:03He says, hey,
33:03to be honest,
33:04we didn't think anybody
33:05could take Steve off his feet.
33:07He goes, I guess we should've
33:08did our homework on you
33:09a little better.
33:09And I said, well,
33:10probably so.
33:11And, you know,
33:11I tried to work with you guys
33:13and he's like, well,
33:14I just want you to know
33:15there's no hard feelings.
33:16And I think as soon
33:17as he said that,
33:18I thought, wow,
33:19I do got some heat.
33:21After his victory
33:22in the brawl for all,
33:23Bart Gunn is awaiting
33:24his big career push.
33:26The WWF are now faced
33:28with the problem
33:29of what to do
33:30with a wrestler
33:31they didn't expect to win.
33:34It was always the plan
33:35that whoever would win
33:36the brawl for all
33:36would get a big promotional push.
33:38When it was Bart,
33:39the wind kind of came
33:40out of those sails.
33:41I'm not knocking Bart Gunn.
33:42Great athlete,
33:43good wrestler,
33:44good guy.
33:46But the way he had been presented
33:47for the previous five years
33:49was at a level here,
33:50not here.
33:51Examine the facts.
33:54Nobody got over.
33:56Not one son of a bitch
33:58that fought in that brawl for all
33:59got over.
34:00End of story.
34:02They send me home,
34:03now they don't know
34:04what to do with me.
34:05Then Therese will call me up
34:06and he said,
34:07Bart, we don't really know
34:08what type of a storyline gimmick
34:10to put you in.
34:11I kind of sat home
34:12for a long time
34:13not doing anything.
34:15The longer I sat at home,
34:16the more frustrating it was.
34:18They let him twist in the wind
34:20for a little while
34:20and then of course
34:21Vince McMahon got the idea
34:22because it's a gimmick.
34:24Butterbean!
34:24Let him fight Butterbean
34:26at WrestleMania.
34:30Well, my understanding
34:31is when Bart knocked out
34:33Dr. Death,
34:33Vince got pissed.
34:35So they called me in
34:36for his punishment.
34:37Butterbean's an overachiever.
34:39You know,
34:39he's got that bald head
34:40and he's very white.
34:41He looks like
34:42some sort of appliance.
34:44But boy,
34:44does he hit.
34:45Oh my God.
34:46Eric Esch,
34:47a.k.a. Butterbean
34:48is a 300-pound
34:50professional prize fighter
34:51with more than 50 wins
34:53under his belt.
34:55What he lacks in technique,
34:57he more than makes up for
34:58with raw hitting power.
35:00So at some point
35:02it was suggested
35:03Butterbean and Bart
35:04have a boxing match
35:06because Butterbean
35:07was a great personality,
35:08great for wrestling.
35:09I think it was presented to me
35:11and, you know,
35:13it's like,
35:13yeah, you know,
35:14I don't, you know,
35:15sure, I guess.
35:16You know,
35:16because I was sitting at home,
35:17I was tired of sitting at home.
35:18And they said,
35:18hey, we're going to send you
35:19to a boxing school,
35:21you know,
35:21and they start teaching me
35:22how to box.
35:23The crossover match serves
35:25as both the promotional push
35:26Bart has been waiting for
35:27and a chance for the WWF
35:30to cash in on Butterbean's
35:32mainstream popularity.
35:33The man that will face
35:35Butterbean,
35:36Bart Gunn.
35:37Well, J.R.,
35:38you know,
35:38I'm not training just to beat him.
35:40I'm training to knock him out.
35:42Me, Butterbean,
35:43and Gilbert,
35:44we were chilling.
35:45I think me and Gil
35:46were smoking.
35:47Butterbean wasn't smoking
35:48and we were talking about it.
35:50Butterbean,
35:50he told me,
35:51he said,
35:52listen,
35:52I've already told Vince.
35:53He goes,
35:54you guys are tough guys.
35:55I give you that,
35:56okay?
35:56But you're not
35:57professional fighters.
35:59I will beat that kid
36:00in seconds.
36:02It's two different sports.
36:03He has no chance against me.
36:05You know,
36:05Vince kind of smiled at me
36:07when I went to the ring.
36:08He knew that
36:08it was over for Bart.
36:09He knew that I was
36:10going to knock him out
36:11and he wanted me
36:12to knock him out.
36:13Walking to the WrestleMania
36:14was kind of like
36:15no experience I've ever had
36:16up to that point.
36:18This place was huge.
36:19On March 28,
36:211999,
36:22the WWF resurrects
36:24the brawl for all concept
36:25on their largest stage,
36:27WrestleMania 15.
36:29A talented amateur
36:30can't stand up next
36:31to a professional
36:32in any field.
36:33So there was no reason
36:34to believe
36:35that even though
36:35Bart was a great looking athlete
36:37and Butterbean
36:38was a big fat round
36:40baked potato
36:40with arms and legs,
36:41Butterbean was a trained
36:43and experienced
36:44professional boxer.
36:46I didn't feel the same
36:47as I felt
36:47with the other fights
36:48because I'm different now.
36:50I'm a boxer now
36:51and I got this other
36:52persona.
36:54Here we go,
36:54round one,
36:55pro for all.
36:56Butterbean and Bart Gump.
36:57I remember being
36:58in the crowd.
36:59Something was off.
37:01This wasn't the guy
37:02that I saw
37:03knock out The Godfather
37:04and the guy
37:05that I saw
37:06knock out Bradshaw.
37:07This wasn't
37:08one of those fights.
37:09Now I'm out there
37:10as a green boxer
37:11trying to,
37:12okay,
37:12hold my hands like this,
37:13hold my feet like this.
37:15When Bart tried to box,
37:16I said,
37:16this is it.
37:17I got him now,
37:18so I just went in,
37:18charged him,
37:19just give him
37:19a couple good shots,
37:20put him to the mat.
37:21And then when I went
37:22to the corner,
37:22I'm like,
37:22man,
37:23I hope he don't get up
37:24because it's going
37:24to be bad if he does
37:25because he's wobbling.
37:27When Vinny let the fight
37:28go on,
37:29I'm going,
37:29oh,
37:31out of it.
37:31So I just give him
37:32one last good right hand.
37:36His head actually
37:37turned around backwards.
37:39Yeah,
37:40you know,
37:40when I got home,
37:40my kids come home
37:41from school
37:41and they were a little upset.
37:42They go,
37:43Dad,
37:44my friend told me
37:45you killed a guy on TV.
37:46You killed Bart Gunn.
37:48I said,
37:48he's not dead.
37:49He just looked like it.
37:51I'll be honest,
37:51if he would have
37:52had a 50-50 chance
37:53if he would have went out
37:54and brawled
37:55like he did
37:55with the other guys.
37:57But with me,
37:57he actually tried to box,
37:59which was stupid.
38:00Very disappointing.
38:01I wanted very,
38:01very mad at myself.
38:03You know,
38:03just wasn't happy at all.
38:06After WrestleMania,
38:08I knew I was done.
38:09There wasn't a future
38:10left there for me
38:11at all.
38:12It's the end.
38:13That was the end there
38:13for me in the States.
38:21Wow.
38:22A lot of old stuff here.
38:24You said you hadn't watched
38:26the Butterbean fight.
38:27Can you talk about why
38:28that was the case?
38:30I don't know if I went
38:31that on air,
38:31but...
38:32I just never watched it.
38:38I was mad at myself
38:39that I made some mistakes,
38:41but it always stuck
38:42in the back of my mind.
38:44And then I saw,
38:45when I was in Japan,
38:46Butterbean.
38:46I saw he was over there.
38:47He's doing MMA.
38:48I thought,
38:49wow, this is interesting.
38:50Because I always wanted
38:51to get a second chance.
38:52And then I said,
38:53you know,
38:53I want to do MMA.
38:55And I got a fight
38:56with Wesley Cabbage
38:58and Butterbean fought him.
39:00Butterbean beat him,
39:01like, in the second
39:02or third round.
39:03Went over there
39:04in my very first MMA fight
39:05and stopped it
39:06in the first round.
39:07So I said,
39:08yeah, I beat this guy,
39:09Tricker,
39:09and Butterbean beat him.
39:10One night,
39:11like, on a Tuesday night,
39:12he said,
39:12hey, we got you
39:13a match with Butterbean.
39:14So, really great.
39:15He said, yeah,
39:15we want you to come
39:16fight Friday.
39:17It's like, in four days.
39:18And I said, no, no, no, no, no.
39:20So I've learned
39:20from my mistakes.
39:21He says,
39:22you're going to set up
39:22a match with me
39:23and Butterbean.
39:23I want 12 weeks
39:24to train for it.
39:25So that didn't happen.
39:26Could have turned out
39:27the same thing.
39:27He could have beat me again.
39:29But I would have got
39:30to do it a little bit
39:31better my way.
39:32It may sound crazy
39:33to a lot of people,
39:34but that's just kind
39:35of the way I'm driven.
39:36And then kind of time passed
39:37and then said
39:39some things happened
39:39in my life.
39:40And after that,
39:40I was kind of done
39:41with the whole fighting thing
39:42and then I didn't do anymore.
39:44I miss being at the curtain
39:46and going through the curtain
39:47and out and performing.
39:49You know,
39:49you've got the excitement
39:50in the crowd,
39:51the adrenaline rush.
39:52Me going to work every day,
39:54there's not an adrenaline rush
39:55there anymore.
39:55But I enjoy sleeping
39:56in my bed every night,
39:58you know,
39:58sitting there
39:59with my dinner
39:59at the house.
40:00You get tired
40:01of eating out
40:02at all your meals,
40:03you know,
40:04seven days a week.
40:05So.
40:10Drauz's career
40:11in the WWF
40:12would continue
40:12for another year
40:14until a tragic accident
40:15changed his life forever.
40:17Do you mind
40:18if I ask you
40:19a few questions
40:19about your injury?
40:20No problem, man.
40:21Okay.
40:21Prior to it happening,
40:23what was your plans
40:24for the wrestling business?
40:25You know,
40:25I really had no clue.
40:27And the funny part
40:28is I was actually
40:29going to win that match.
40:31You know,
40:31I didn't get a lot of wins.
40:32Drauz was wrestling
40:33D'Lo Brown one night
40:35and D'Lo was very smooth,
40:37accomplished wrestler.
40:38We were just going
40:39to do a powerbomb
40:40and he had powerbombed me before.
40:43When he picked me up,
40:44I don't know
40:45if I slipped or what.
40:47I have this,
40:48these memories are
40:49seared in my brain perfectly,
40:51which stinks.
40:54Pulled them up
40:55and we didn't go
40:56and we just fell forward.
40:58But I remember
40:59going back down,
41:00I'm like,
41:00this isn't right.
41:01I couldn't get my hands down,
41:02really.
41:02And I just remember
41:03hearing crack, crack.
41:05And I just went,
41:06oh, I just broke my neck.
41:08I said,
41:08I said,
41:09stop messing with me.
41:10You okay?
41:11I can't move.
41:14One of the cardinal rules is
41:16you're supposed to leave
41:17the ring the same way
41:17you went into it.
41:19And I remember crying
41:20next to him,
41:20telling him I was sorry,
41:21I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
41:22It should never happen.
41:23Drauz is going,
41:24it's okay, dog.
41:24It's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
41:26Nothing we could have done
41:27would have changed,
41:28you know,
41:28it just happens.
41:30So, but he's,
41:30he's a good guy, man.
41:32And I still wish him,
41:33I wish him the best
41:34last time I saw him.
41:35Neither of us,
41:36we've talked about it,
41:37we don't know what happened.
41:39Neither of us blame the other.
41:41It's one of those
41:41unfortunate accidents
41:42that happen.
41:44Bottom line is,
41:45I'm here,
41:45still alive,
41:46I'm still kicking.
41:47Well, not kicking really,
41:48but,
41:48can't kick,
41:50but I still get to go out.
41:51I hunt,
41:52you know,
41:52I do all the things
41:54that I can do.
41:55It's just,
41:55you know,
41:56you learn to do things differently.
41:58Draw is still paralyzed
41:59to this day,
41:59it's been more than 20 years.
42:01Things happen,
42:02you know,
42:03in this business.
42:05And it's not ballet.
42:06And that's why
42:07it especially
42:08angers me
42:10when people
42:10diminish it.
42:12One move,
42:13he's been in a wheelchair
42:14for the rest of his life.
42:16So don't tell me
42:17that wrestling
42:17is a bunch of bullshit.
42:19Just some of the ways
42:20that people
42:21that have gotten into it
42:22treat it
42:22is bullshit.
42:26I feel bad.
42:27How come?
42:28Because,
42:29I don't want to see
42:29anybody get hit like that,
42:31man.
42:31Oh my God.
42:32Especially now
42:33with just all the stuff
42:35we know about
42:35head trauma
42:36and everything,
42:37man.
42:38Oh man.
42:40Ugh.
42:44Oof.
42:46I really should have
42:47been thinking,
42:47man,
42:48these guys
42:49are out of their element
42:50with what we know
42:50about concussions today.
42:52Just knowing
42:53all that today,
42:54which we didn't know
42:55back then,
42:56no way,
42:57no way
42:58would I ever
42:58propose it again.
43:00I think the Brafford
43:00All should be remembered
43:01for what it was,
43:02a cluster.
43:03It sucked.
43:05There's no reason
43:06to embrace it.
43:08It was simply
43:08a bad idea
43:09that featured
43:10a lot of guys
43:11looking to get a rub
43:12in a new event.
43:13That's what it was
43:13developed to do.
43:15Create some new stars,
43:17new rubs,
43:18new opportunities,
43:19and just didn't do it.
43:20The Brawl for All
43:22remains the only
43:23prize-fighting tournament
43:24to be put on
43:25by the WWE.
43:27What could have been
43:28a career-defining moment
43:29for its champion
43:30instead became
43:31a stark reminder
43:32of how wrestling's
43:33winners are always
43:34chosen
43:35in the boardroom.
43:37Bruce has said
43:38that the Brawl for All
43:39is the, quote,
43:40absolute worst idea
43:41in the history
43:41of the business.
43:43I agree with that,
43:44but they're the ones
43:45that put it on.
43:46So, explain that one.
43:51I think they, uh,
43:53should learn
43:53from their mistakes
43:54and probably should
43:55never do it again.
43:57Should just kind of
43:57let it disappear.
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