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00:32¡As Moula, the promoter, I wanna make money for my talent, and I wanna make money for Moula!
00:38¡Moula!
00:40¡Moula!
00:41Even to this day, if you say, women's wrestling, the picture of Moula...
00:47...appears in my mind.
00:50If Moula was alive today, I'd probably slap her.
00:55She was so jealous of any woman that was younger than her in wrestling.
01:02She was also a manipulator and she was also a thief.
01:05She wanted to hurt me, bruise me.
01:11There was drugs, there was sex, there was a lot of abuse with Moolah.
01:18I'm like, wow, they waited until she passed away to say all these things so she couldn't stand up and defend herself.
01:25I was born, but I wanted to wrestle so bad.
01:28She gave her whole life to professional wrestling.
01:31She gave all these girls an opportunity and for nobody to stand up for.
01:38I don't know, just couldn't deal with it.
01:41She was a great professional wrestler, but she didn't know when to stop.
01:49On this episode, the life, legend, and controversy of the Fabulous Moolah.
02:02And it's Fabulous Moolah with a WWF women's title on the line here.
02:07She made all of her costumes herself.
02:10Anything flashy, she loved.
02:13She was just that kind of person.
02:15It really never impressed me that much because to me, she was just my mother.
02:20And I didn't really realize how popular she was.
02:23My name is Mary Austin, and I'm the only child of the Fabulous Moolah.
02:30My mother kind of kept me out of the spotlight, but she loved the spotlight.
02:36She was determined to do it.
02:38When you really love something, you put yourself into it, and she had all of herself into it.
02:43This is one Mary let me have.
02:46As you can see how beautiful it is, sparkly, just like Moolah liked it.
02:49My name is Selena Majors.
02:53I wrestled as Bambi.
02:56Started in 1986, so I've been in it for 32 years.
02:59I wanted my name as a kid to be Dynamite Dixie Majors.
03:03So I've got these big posters that would say,
03:05The Fabulous Moolah Champion versus Dynamite Dixie Majors.
03:09I had this life-size doll.
03:12And I'd take that doll, and I would body slam it, and climb up on the bed, and drop an elbow.
03:16I'd stand in front of the mirror with my hairbrush, do little interviews, and tell Moolah how I was going to come and wrestle her.
03:26As you can tell, I like the bad guys, the heels.
03:29She was a heel.
03:29She played that part.
03:31My name is The Fabulous Moolah.
03:32I've been wrestling since I was 15 years old, and I am the world's champion, Lady Wrestler.
03:38They hated her, but that's what she wanted.
03:40Oh, I'd fix up a little spoon handle, you know, about the size of your finger, roll it up with tape, and put it down in my bra.
03:52The meaner she was, the more they liked it, you know, and she loved being a heel.
03:56Stick it in the eyes and the throat.
04:00Ah!
04:00The Fabulous Moolah started as a female wrestler, and then she became the female wrestling champion, and then she became the booker of all the girl wrestlers.
04:09I first broke into wrestling as a photographer.
04:11I was a 15-year-old kid, and I was doing all of the photography that was sold in the arenas for the entire Memphis wrestling territory.
04:17Moolah, can I get a couple of pictures for the magazines?
04:19Always say for the magazines, right?
04:21Well, of course you can, darling.
04:22And she had her stock poses, boom, boom, boom, in 30 seconds, and she's off to the ring.
04:27Moolah pioneered the hair-pullin', cat-fightin', scratchin', crowd-pleasing kind of women's wrestling.
04:36She broke glass ceilings one after another.
04:40She got into wrestling when there was no women in wrestling.
04:44Women's wrestling was actually banned in Madison Square Garden, and Moolah was the one that was chosen to break the ban.
04:51She was the featured girl in the first girls' match in the garden.
04:54Now that she's almost 60, she's on MTV.
04:59It's 1984, the Rock and Wrestling Connection, Cyndi Lauper, and that whole era of network TV and Madison Square Garden and MTV and rock and roll stars.
05:10And this place is ready to explode tonight.
05:13Got so much national attention that NBC and everybody else started looking at pro wrestling.
05:19She made it from the mid-50s to the dawn of MTV for the biggest payoff she ever made.
05:25There she is, the fabulous one, the fabulous Moolah, putting her title on the line.
05:31There'll never be anyone to have the guts that she had.
05:35This must have been really old.
05:40Look at that.
05:41Look at her hair.
05:42This is a wrestling license.
05:44Her mom passed away when she was about nine, I think.
05:48And then it was her dad and her brothers that raised her.
05:50So she learned how to fight real early.
05:53It was rough for her.
05:55I was an only child and she was just a teenager.
05:58She went to wrestling matches every week.
06:01And my mother saw Mildred Burke and she said, that's what I want to be.
06:05It's Mildred Burke of Los Angeles, California, world champion.
06:09Back in the 30s and 40s, Mildred Burke was such a legitimate athlete.
06:14She was in tremendous shape and she just had a natural flair for wrestling.
06:18But behind the scenes, Billy Wolf, Mildred Burke's husband, was pulling the strings and managed
06:22the whole women's troop for good and bad.
06:25When she was 17 or 18, she went to see Billy Wolf.
06:29When you became a wrestler for Billy Wolf, you automatically had to go to bed with him.
06:35She said she wasn't doing it.
06:37She could find some other way to wrestle without having to go to bed with him or anyone else.
06:42What's the worst experience you might want to say that you ever had with a promoter?
06:46That's kind of hard to talk about.
06:48It really is.
06:50The fabulous moolah at one point was married to a guy named Buddy Lee.
06:54Buddy Lee used to wrestle.
06:56Of course, they met and they sort of fell for each other.
06:59And she did most of the wrestling and he did most of the booking.
07:04She basically copied the Mildred Burke and Billy Wolf playbook.
07:09They kept their own stable.
07:11They took all the bookings.
07:12And more importantly, a booking fee out of all of the girls' pay.
07:17You knew right off the bat why she got in the business and why she wanted to be a star.
07:22She loved money.
07:26Moolah would play such a dominant role in women's wrestling that in 2018, 11 years after her death,
07:33her memory still loomed over the sport.
07:36The WWE made the announcement on March the 12th that they were going to honor the fabulous moolah by having the fabulous moolah Memorial Battle Royal.
07:43I thought it was very nice that they wouldn't name it after her, keeping her legacy going.
07:49Two or three days later, that had all been taken away.
07:52Let's talk about the fabulous moolah controversy.
07:54I think it's supposed to be a bunch of bull.
07:57I really think it's a bunch of bull.
07:58Moolah has an awful pass.
08:00Some really, really sick shit.
08:02She was an evil person.
08:04Moolah was pimping girls out.
08:06A lot of this stuff is a legend.
08:07We gotta see that.
08:08It's a legend.
08:09Grossed out about it.
08:10Name it something else.
08:11It's not hard.
08:12Scrap it.
08:13Our story started coming out on the internet.
08:18Fabulous moolah suddenly was a horrible person who took advantage of all these women and pimped them out and fed them drugs and all this stuff.
08:26They contacted the sponsors and they had to take her name off.
08:30I was very shocked because I knew better.
08:33I knew none of that was true.
08:35And thanks to Nigel, he took the lead way on it.
08:39My name is Nigel Sherrod.
08:41I'm mostly known as a wrestling host.
08:44The Fight for Moolah campaign came about because we started a petition to put the truth out there and to honor the woman who broke down the walls for everybody else.
08:55I just wanted to clear a name because Moolah's not here to defend herself.
09:00Did Moolah indeed take advantage of the girls?
09:03Some of the girls have said yes.
09:04Some of the girls have said no.
09:06I think that it was ignorant canceling the fabulous Moolah Memorial Battle Royal.
09:12Because I interviewed over 20 women and they all said the same thing.
09:17There's no truth to those rumors.
09:20Accusations about Moolah polarized the wrestling world.
09:23They originated from an investigative newspaper story that quoted serious allegations by the family of one of her former wrestlers.
09:33St. Mark, if you see these guys moving around, they are a professional film company.
09:38And they are doing an episode dealing with pro-women wrestlers, which one of them was my mother.
09:48South Carolina first black female professional wrestler, Sweet Georgia Brown.
09:52I'm Michael McCoy.
09:58I'm a senior pastor at St. Mark Baptist Church.
10:02That article that came out in the Columbia Free Times, it was about what my mother had to go through and endure while she was in wrestling.
10:10I started a search to try to find out the truth.
10:13Maybe you could just tell us your name and a little bit about yourself.
10:16Yes, my name is Barbara Harsey, and I am the proud daughter of Susan Mae McCoy.
10:23Who is also known as?
10:24Sweet Georgia Brown.
10:25When my mom went into wrestling, she was with the so-called Great Moolah.
10:35She said she was forced to do a lot of things against her will.
10:42Now, these are just stories that I heard.
10:44Do I know any truth to them?
10:46No, I can't sit here and say I know truth to them.
10:49I'm not.
10:49But, you know, when more than one, two, three people saying the same story, you know, somebody ain't lying.
11:04Phillip!
11:06Honey, can you walk these guys outside and show them the banister?
11:11This is my husband, Phillip.
11:12How y'all doing?
11:13How we going?
11:14Sure.
11:14Sure.
11:14Yeah.
11:18Back here, honey.
11:19Oh, wow.
11:20Back when Moolah died, my husband, he went over to tear down the barn that the ring was in, and he found the banister, the women's wrestlers.
11:33And he brought it back, thought I would want, you know, keep it.
11:37For the better part of 25 years, every top girl wrestler was trained by Moolah, booked out by Moolah, and was controlled by Moolah's group.
11:46Can you tell us who Sweet Georgia Brown was?
11:48Yeah, she was one of the first African-American women to wrestle, and my mother trained her.
11:57Believe it or not, it was on a mattress in the living room.
12:01It was unreal.
12:02But they learned a lot.
12:04I was told she had that drive to go get it.
12:07You know, it's like she had a purpose.
12:09She wanted to be there.
12:11The first time I've seen a wrestler, the place was jam-packed, throwing each other out the ring, they're kicking, body slamming.
12:19And I just figured, you know, this is one tough lady.
12:24Being one of the first black females to get into the Rassman business, the KKKs was at their fullest.
12:33The segregation was really bad at that time.
12:36Whenever they were on the road, my mother was very protective.
12:38There was a time in Mississippi she did have a run-in with some KKKs.
12:45She was thrown on the floor of the bus, and she was scared for her life.
12:50She'd have had to have been super passionate, because, see, in 1964, she was ranked number four in the world.
12:59If she would have had the opportunity to fight for the world's title, she probably would have won it.
13:05But Moolah was most definitely not going to let a student challenge her for the world's title.
13:12When my mom went into wrestling, she left us with one of her sisters.
13:18She'd call us names, half-breeds.
13:23She was a witch.
13:25God forgive me, she's dead and gone.
13:28Every time my mother went on the road and she'd come back, just about, she was pregnant.
13:33One of my aunts said that every time you come back home, you come back home with one of these half-and-half white kids, half-breeds.
13:39And we got mistreated, you know, for years growing up because of our color.
13:44I hated where she had left us.
13:47I hated her career.
13:50But then when I got the full story from her, I kind of understood.
13:57There's a lot of abuse with Moolah and Buddy Lee.
14:02I saw her one time.
14:06This big old car had pulled up.
14:08She was getting out of the back of the car and it was only for a few hours.
14:15I didn't know the man's name at the time, but he thought it was time to go.
14:20My sister and I, we grabbed hold to her leg, but he kind of like pushed her and she hit her head getting into the car.
14:29I don't know if it was intentionally or it was an accident.
14:34And my mom said everywhere she went and everything she did was done according to Buddy Lee and Moolah.
14:43I think she thought that it was going to be glamorous and glory, but it turned out to be something totally different.
14:51I heard different stories about my mother.
14:57It's real sad and I have no reason not to believe that I count.
15:02There was one gruesome time that we talked about.
15:07She was told to drink and pot pills.
15:12She was made to have sex with other men.
15:19On the road, some of the promoters wouldn't pay some of the girls until they slept with other promoters.
15:25From what my mother told me, she was their favorite.
15:29And you can call it entertaining or whatever.
15:36It's still pimping in prostitution.
15:40Buddy Lee was not a nice person.
15:42And my mother was on the road and she came home a day early and caught him in her bed.
15:48It was one of the girls that she trained.
15:50And she threw Buddy out. That was it.
15:53A lot of the girls went with him.
15:55Georgia Brown was one of the girls that went with Buddy.
15:57I started to search for my father and then one of the first places where I started was with the fabulous Moolah.
16:03Honestly, I was almost kind of afraid a little bit because I heard of the Moolah that everybody else talked about.
16:11But the Moolah that I met, she seemed to be a fine lady.
16:17I asked Moolah, did my mother ever talk about who my father was?
16:20And Moolah took me to her wall and she pointed out this one picture.
16:24And I said, who is this guy right here in the middle?
16:29She said, well, his name is Buddy Lee.
16:33He was kind of rough on the girls.
16:35I think that happened with sweet Georgia Brown.
16:37She was one that had to go to bed with Buddy.
16:41And as a matter of fact, I think the son, Michael, is proof of that.
16:44If Buddy Lee's my father, then that's who he is.
16:48I wasn't coming in to look for anything.
16:51And I didn't want anything.
16:52I just wanted to close a chapter in my life.
16:57I knew that everything was over when my uncle burned up all of her stuff.
17:05And he poured gas on it and he set it on fire.
17:10Right there in front of us.
17:12At the end, she kind of thanked him because of the things that she had to endure.
17:19The things that she was made to do by Moolah, by Buddy Lee, by the industry itself.
17:28Listening to your mom describe some of the most horrific things she had to do.
17:35You can't just walk away.
17:36Regardless of the abuse she went through, regardless of if they made her use drugs,
17:43they made her use alcohol, rather they pimped her,
17:46she still was South Carolina's first black female professional wrestler.
17:52Honor it.
17:55Sweet Georgia Brown's life was shaped by forces beyond her control.
17:59For Moolah to succeed, she would need to build her own women's wrestling empire.
18:10The fabulous Moolah single-handedly built her women's training school into a powerhouse that dominated the industry.
18:16It attracted young women, eager to follow in her footsteps.
18:21In Columbia, South Carolina, there was a location called Moolah Drive.
18:25And on Moolah Drive was the house that Moolah built, and also a variety of other buildings.
18:31It was a compound.
18:33The women not only trained there, but they lived on the property,
18:36and Moolah presided over it like a mother lion.
18:40She took girls from all walks of life, and she brought them in.
18:45She taught them a skill.
18:47She put it together like a group or a union, and took care of the girls,
18:51and made sure they were taken care of.
18:54She was one of the most powerful women in the wrestling business.
18:58If you were a female wrestler at that point, and you wanted to get booked,
19:01you pretty much had to go through Moolah, or you weren't going to work.
19:07I have a bunch of questions.
19:09Okay.
19:10I took my truth serum before I came in.
19:13My name is Wendy Richter.
19:16Wendy Richter!
19:18I was a professional wrestler for over 20 years.
19:21The first time I ever watched a wrestling match,
19:24I watched the fabulous Moolah versus Vivian St. John,
19:29and I told my friend I could beat Moolah.
19:33The referee gave me Moolah's phone number.
19:36She told me to come on to Columbia, South Carolina.
19:40I was there within two weeks.
19:41My name is Victoria Otis.
19:44I wrestled as Princess Victoria.
19:45Victoria!
19:46Victoria!
19:46I come from a very, very abusive childhood.
19:53And that's basically what took me to wrestling.
19:57You had to want it.
19:59You had to bleed.
20:00You had to cry.
20:02When I was wrestling, and it had been about a year,
20:04and I was told by my promoter,
20:06look, I've done all I can do.
20:09I've tried to get you booked to other places.
20:11The only way I can get you booked is I've got to send you to Moolah.
20:15I still remember a friend of mine telling me,
20:17Vicki, he said, don't go to Moolah's.
20:20Find a job, get on your feet, just don't go to Moolah's.
20:24I was warned.
20:24But I wanted to wrestle so bad.
20:30When you first got to the property, there's these big gates.
20:36After dark, the gates were locked.
20:38If you weren't home and you weren't working, you got locked out.
20:43Moolah had a roommate named Diamond Lil,
20:46and we all called her Katie.
20:48And I really like Katie.
20:51My name is Diamond Lil.
20:52And Buddy Lee named me Diamond Lil.
20:56Katie comes from a hard background, too.
20:58She was a wrestler, and she lived in the house with Moon.
21:02And she called her Ma.
21:04And she's been right there with my mother through thick and thin.
21:08Katie liked to drink beer, but she wasn't allowed to.
21:13Katie used to come out to the pond and go fishing,
21:15and I'd come in there and drop a six-pack in the pond,
21:18and her and I'd sit there and drink beer.
21:19I was famous for getting the beer on the property.
21:26They had apartments, and she would put two or three girls in there at a time,
21:31and they would come down to the gym every morning.
21:34What I remember the most about my training at Moolah's was learning to drop kick.
21:43I would go out there and drop kick and drop kick and drop kick and just land on the mat.
21:50The mat wasn't soft.
21:51It was all bloody, and by that time, a lot of it was mine.
21:55There were buckets strategically placed, and it wasn't if you were going to throw up.
22:02It was when you were going to throw up, and would you hit the bucket.
22:06The one thing that Moolah taught me, take a bite and growl.
22:15Moolah, she never trained me.
22:17She just took the money, and she had the girls train me.
22:21She wanted her $300.
22:25Now, can you imagine four girls in one little house?
22:29She's getting $1,200 a month in the 80s?
22:35And on top of that, she's taking 25% off of what she's telling us were paid.
22:42Bullpugging.
22:43I'm sitting here 24 hours a day, making you connections with the promoters.
22:48All you got to do is set your lazy butt in the car and go to wrestle and collect their money and send me 25%.
22:55And I thought that was fair.
22:59There's a picture of me in this brown outfit that Moolah presented to me at Christmas in front of all the girls after she had given all of them a $5 or $10 gift.
23:15That was no cheap outfit.
23:17That was hand-beaded.
23:19That was a $200 to $300 outfit.
23:21She couldn't take me in privately and give me this outfit.
23:25She had to do it in front of the girls.
23:26That was another one of her little manipulation things.
23:31Everything brings back memories now.
23:33And it's like the floodgates get opened.
23:37I was in a match.
23:39I know it was the first or second week in September 1984.
23:43A girl...
23:45Shut up!
23:54Um...
23:54The night I broke my neck in the ring, a girl stumbled and she sat on my head.
24:04That was the day my world fell apart.
24:09It hurt so bad I couldn't stand it.
24:12I remember a moment at the hospital.
24:15They had my neck braced.
24:17I remember being on a cot.
24:20Then the next thing I remember, I don't know how, but I'm back at Moolah's property.
24:26And Moolah's walking me out to the ring.
24:28She said, I want to see if you can take a bump.
24:30I took a bump.
24:31And I cried.
24:33Every time I took a bump, I felt like something was exploding.
24:37This went on for a month, two months.
24:41Moolah comes to me one day.
24:43She said, hon, if you go see this guy in Holland, he'll give you a payday.
24:47I thought to myself, if I can't wrestle, might as well.
24:51I get on the phone with this guy, and I make it explicitly clear.
24:56It's separate motel rooms.
24:57The conversation after I hung up with him with Moolah was, you know, hon, the nicer you
25:05are to him, the bigger your payday will be, and you could really use a payday.
25:10And so was Moolah sort of insinuating, like, the idea that...
25:14When Moolah looked at me and said, you know, the nicer you are to him, the nicer he'll be
25:22to you, what else can I say?
25:25When this guy first picked me up at the airport, I said, damn.
25:30This guy didn't get beat by the ugly stick.
25:32He got beat by the whole damn forest.
25:35I wake up the next morning.
25:37I catch him right here, and I grab his hand, and I'm holding it.
25:42I said, dude, I will break your wrist.
25:47And she was fire engine red pissed when I got back.
25:52I can't believe she didn't sleep with him.
25:56Well, not a week after I got back is when Moolah came to me and said, look, you can't
26:00wrestle, and I need my ranch.
26:02I'll take that yellow outfit.
26:04I'll take the brown outfit that she gave me for Christmas.
26:07I left the property that day with my Chevy Malibu station wagon and 20 bucks in my pocket.
26:13She dumped me.
26:14And I never wrestled again.
26:18When I walked away 30 years ago, my heart was broke.
26:23I can't even explain it.
26:28I miss the road.
26:30I miss my friends.
26:31I miss my family.
26:31And when I left, do you know what Moolah told the girls?
26:37She told them I was in prison for dealing cocaine.
26:40For God's sake, she couldn't tell them that I broke my neck and I was of no use to her anymore.
26:46So I had to go because then they knew their fate.
26:49I love wrestling.
26:58To protect this business to me is like protecting the country.
27:02If wrestling needed me, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
27:08All someone has to do is ask.
27:12Moolah!
27:13As wrestling gained popularity in the early 1980s, the WWF looked to replenish its roster with younger wrestlers.
27:22Moolah's protege, Wendy Richter, was an obvious choice.
27:27Wendy Richter.
27:30Hell of a person.
27:30A hell of a lady.
27:34She loved her business.
27:36She honed her skills.
27:38She worked very hard to become the wrestler she was.
27:42Do you have an assumption as to why there was so much friction between you and Moolah?
27:47The only thing I can think of why there was so much friction is possibly she was jealous of me because I was younger than her.
27:54And like my father said, they couldn't put her face on a can of dog food to sell it.
27:59Wendy Richter began to eclipse her mentor and she left Moolah's stable to join Vince McMahon.
28:06When I left Moolah's, I had a conversation with Vince McMahon and told him that I didn't want to live there anymore and I did not want my check going to her.
28:17I wanted the check to come to me so I knew what I was making.
28:23As soon as Vince took over from his father, he started making changes.
28:28One advantage that he had was that a lot of celebrities had grown up in the New York area as fans of wrestling and one of those was Cyndi Lauper.
28:39Cyndi Lauper was on an airplane flight with Lou Albano and then Lou Albano tells everyone that he was managing Cyndi Lauper.
28:54I created and made Cyndi Lauper cook up from the nothing.
28:59I don't know if anybody knows it, but when she did Girls Just Want to Have Fun, he was in it.
29:04That's how all of this came together.
29:07It all boiled down to that Lou Albano said, I'm going to choose someone to represent me in the ring.
29:14So Lou Albano chose Fabulous Moolah.
29:17Woo, I'm happy.
29:19And Cyndi Lauper chose me.
29:21Moolah may have the world's championship belt, but she also has Lou Albano on her side.
29:26As soon as Cyndi Lauper got involved with Lou Albano, Vince McMahon saw gold and fostered that connection into the rock and wrestling connection.
29:38The wrestlers giving their hand at it.
29:41They have been involved with rock and roll in the past year.
29:44It brought the dated look of wrestling into the mainstream.
29:48Wendy Richter morphed from the Dallas Cowgirl to Wendy Richter a little bit more Cyndi Lauper-ish, a little more rock and roll.
29:55And that's what led the MTV movement there in 1984 that pretty much paved the way for the first WrestleMania.
30:01They were giving girls more of a push than they probably ever had before.
30:05They were really trying to escalate the girls up, trying to get equal to the men.
30:11It was the turning point for women's wrestling.
30:13Vince wanted to make Wendy Richter the equivalent as Hulk Hogan would be, so he had a male role model and a female role model.
30:20Since the most widely recognized female champion of the previous 30 years had been the fabulous Moolah, Wendy needed to beat Moolah for the title.
30:27Well, with that in mind, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to introduce to you the number one contender for the ladies' championship, Miss Wendy Richter.
30:35And the rest is history.
30:37Ladies and gentlemen, this title belt will be on the line at Madison Square Garden just moments.
30:42From now, this lady to the band.
30:45Their rivalry was about to explode in what would become one of the most watched matches of all time.
30:51That was probably the most nervous I've ever been in my life.
30:56I knew every move mattered.
30:59There was so much at stake, and it was against Moolah.
31:03It was the culmination of my whole career.
31:06Moolah had been very jealous and guarded of that championship for a long time, but Vince was able to write the appropriate amount of money on a check that changed Moolah's mind.
31:18And also, by doing that, Moolah got Vince McMahon Jr.'s loyalty for life.
31:24One, two.
31:25That's when everything changed.
31:30I love this boat, and you were the most incredible.
31:37Thank you, Linda.
31:40Oh, my word.
31:42When I won the championship, it was a feeling like no other.
31:47Everyone was up on their feet and screaming.
31:51I can't believe someone beat her after 28 years.
31:55And that someone was me.
31:57It was a big deal for the fans because they wanted to see Wendy win, right?
32:00But it was a bigger deal inside the business because two generations of wrestlers had come and gone without ever seeing the fabulous Moolah lose.
32:09It was shocking to the folks in the business who knew about the stranglehold that Moolah had had on the thing.
32:14Right here is the new champ, the terrific symbol of the new woman.
32:19My match against Moolah for the championship was kind of ground zero for women's wrestling, and it moved towards a different level of women's wrestling.
32:29See, what a lot of people don't understand is once you step in that ring, you're addicted.
32:38I think Moolah let her ego get in her way, and Moolah couldn't quit.
32:45Cindy Lauper!
32:55Oh my God, we were on the top of a skyscraper.
32:59I remember I was hot, I was hungry, I was thirsty, and it felt like the day would never end.
33:08When I went to visit my father and my grandmother in Kokomo, Indiana, people recognized me.
33:16I'm thinking, they know me in Kokomo.
33:18Even though Wendy was a household name, Wendy wasn't getting paid like a household name, though.
33:25I found out early in my career that the men were being paid far more than the women.
33:30But if I'm the only one saying that, one person can be replaced.
33:36Vince McMahon had been pushing Wendy Richter, going to make her a superstar.
33:41She possibly was getting too big for her britches.
33:43He decided that she needed to lose the belt, and who's going to beat her for the belt?
33:48I was on the road constantly, but it was always matches against Moolah, over and over.
33:56I'll never forget one time, she got me in a move, the Boston Crab.
34:01With that, you never go all the way back, because you could break someone's back.
34:05Well, she did.
34:07She tried to break my back.
34:10She wanted to put me out.
34:12My spine snapped like firecrackers.
34:15She was just so bitter.
34:17I really believe in the golden rule, treat others as you'd like to be treated.
34:22But sometimes you've got to treat fire with fire.
34:25And in the ring, when that bell rang, you had no friends.
34:28When I was to wrestle the Spider Lady for a championship match, it changed my career.
34:38It changed my life.
34:42I really didn't think anything of it.
34:44So I thought, well, it's just another championship match, and it's against the Spider Lady.
34:49Wendy said that Moolah had showed up.
34:56She didn't understand why Moolah was there.
34:58I'd wrestled the Spider Lady before, and I didn't recall her being that size.
35:05A very determined young lady, going to take one heck of a wrestler to be able to strip that title from her.
35:12The match really didn't go that good.
35:19It was just a wrestling halt.
35:22Spider going, oh, small package.
35:24The referee counted one.
35:27I kicked out, had my shoulder up.
35:30Two, three.
35:34And that was it.
35:37What was that?
35:40Appears that the referee has made a three count.
35:42The match was over.
35:44Then the masked person took their mask off.
35:53And it was Moolah.
35:55It is Moolah!
35:58It is Moolah!
36:00Take a look, Tess!
36:00Fabulous Moolah, the oldest, saltiest dog in the yard, knows all the tricks.
36:05She was the one that was chosen because it was thought that if things did break down,
36:09that she can handle Wendy legitimately anyway.
36:12Did you have any idea that that was Moolah, the match at all?
36:16No.
36:17I couldn't tell who it was.
36:22It was obvious who was under that mask.
36:24Everybody in the arena knew who was under that mask.
36:28Wendy knew.
36:30This double cross blurred the lines between business and storyline.
36:34Whatever the truth was, Wendy came out the loser.
36:37I demanded to talk to Vince McMahon, and no one would tell me where he was.
36:44I probably would have killed him with my bare hands.
36:48What Vinny and Moo did to her?
36:51Wendy was over like a million dollars at that time.
36:54Her and Cyndi Lauper and the cartoon, the Goonies.
36:59Wendy was over as big as Hogan, and maybe that was the problem.
37:03The only thing I can think of is I was asking to be paid fairly.
37:12I feel like it was a sad situation that happened because the girls should be paid maybe more than
37:19they were at the time.
37:20But when a promoter tells you who's going to win or lose, you have to go with the one who's
37:27running the show, whether you like it or not.
37:29That was her choice to walk away from it.
37:32If everything had worked with Wendy, there would have been an established women's division
37:38with women featured in more important matches a lot before it actually happened.
37:44I was angry for what she just did to women's wrestling.
37:48For so long, she held it back, she held it back, she held it back.
37:52Then finally, it started to bloom, and she killed it.
37:58I think Moolah was afraid.
38:00I think she was afraid of walking away.
38:03I left out of the arena fully dressed in my wrestling suit,
38:09hailed a cab in New York City, and went to the airport.
38:12They were dead in my life.
38:16They were dead.
38:21Have you ever seen the footage of the match?
38:25I almost did.
38:26I couldn't bear to see it.
38:28What good would it do?
38:29The bitch is dead, okay?
38:31I don't need to see it.
38:32I was there.
38:33In 1995, the fabulous Moolah became the first woman inducted into the WWF Wrestling Hall of Fame.
38:49Tonight is the greatest night of my life, being inducted into the WWF Hall of Fame.
38:59By the year 2000, the WWF had phased out traditional women's athletic wrestling
39:04in favor of strip matches and comedy storylines.
39:08But Moolah showed no sign of slowing down.
39:11She teamed up with fellow wrestling legend, Mae Young.
39:15Mae Young wrestled for seven different decades.
39:18She was tougher than Moolah, and that's saying something.
39:21Years ago, they had to put up a chicken wire fence up over the ring because they hated
39:26me so bad.
39:28It's insane that more people saw Moolah and Mae in the late 90s and early 2000s when they
39:34were both everybody's grandmother.
39:36Or maybe the Addams family's grandmother.
39:38I have to be real careful with her.
39:40Everywhere I go, she either wants to get drunk or naked.
39:43This would be the place, I guess.
39:44And then, of course, they go out on TV and they can take the tremendous bumps and incredible
39:50falls and still somehow not break into a million pieces.
39:54Oh, come on!
39:55She should have stopped in her 60s, but she couldn't.
39:59I mean, my God, she was 80 years old wearing a checkered schoolgirl outfit.
40:06No, no, stop.
40:08Stop, Cooter, stop it.
40:10Stop.
40:12Shh.
40:14I get the last word, not you.
40:16Be good boy.
40:21What was her funeral like?
40:23It was crowded, and I don't, I'll tell you the truth, I don't know.
40:27I was just in a daze the whole time.
40:29I didn't even know that he was there.
40:32I just remember thinking that it was the end of an era.
40:36In 2007, Moolah passed away at the age of 84.
40:41The wrestling family showed up in large numbers to pay their respects.
40:46This is where she's buried.
40:48This is hers here, and this is Katie's, and this was Johnny May's here.
40:54She had that little thing put there.
40:55She said, when you want to come talk to me, there's a bench in there.
40:58You won't get wet if it's raining.
40:59She was all I had, and I miss her every day.
41:09No one can ever, can ever be as good as she was, never.
41:13Women's wrestling today has undergone a renaissance I don't think would have been possible
41:20without the rise of women in mixed martial arts, and specifically Ronda Rousey.
41:24Now it's so much more refined.
41:27It wasn't that way in Moolah's day because that wasn't her strong point.
41:33Ten years after Moolah's death, her impact on wrestling remains controversial.
41:37Well, I think in wrestling, there is blurred lines between your character and who you really are.
41:47I believe that the fans couldn't tell the difference between Moolah and the character she was playing.
41:55Nobody really knows how it hurts you to hear that, that you work for somebody and they pimped you out so you get where you did.
42:03And she was, um, had never once ever drugged any of us.
42:09It just really pisses me off that they're taking away the legacy of the fabulous Moolah.
42:16I mean, I'll be honest with you, Bambi was never a famous wrestler.
42:20But if there's one thing that I could do, it would be to save Moolah's name and legacy
42:27and restore what she gave to the professional wrestling business.
42:31Moolah may have initially opened doors, but she quickly closed the door.
42:39She held women's wrestling back probably for 40 years.
42:44If Moolah had left Wendy with the belt, I think women's wrestling would have skyrocketed.
42:50She wasn't as big a star as Mildred Burke.
42:54She's not as big a star as Ronda Rousey, but she was the placeholder for 30 years.
42:59How do you think people should remember Moolah?
43:03Any way they like.
43:04Everybody have their own opinion.
43:07And me personally, I don't have an opinion of Moolah.
43:11None that I care to share.
43:13If I choose not to like her because of what she did to me, that's fine.
43:19But Moolah needs to be remembered.
43:22She was an icon in this business.
43:25You can't take away her history just because she's an asshole.
43:30All the girls that she trained remember her.
43:32And they know that they wouldn't be where they are now without her.
43:37And they wouldn't have had the career they had without her.
43:40Whoever's starting these rumors, you're not just calling Moolah a pimp.
43:45You're calling me a prostitute.
43:48And that hurts.
43:51And if you were not on that property, if you were not in that room,
43:56you don't know what happened and you need to shut up.
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