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Trainer James Owen made his first foray to the United States a winning one when Wimbledon Hawkeye scored in the GIII Nashville Derby. He joined this week's TDN Writers' Room presented by Keeneland to discuss the lucrative victory and share his unique background in the sport.
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00:00For the love of the worse, for generations to come.
00:23Welcome to another edition of the TDN Writers' Room Podcast.
00:31My name is Bill Finley, and I'm a correspondent for Thoroughbred Daily News.
00:35I also co-host Down the Stretch Radio Show every Saturday with Dave Johnson.
00:39How are y'all doing? I'm Randy Moss with NBC Sports.
00:45It's good to see you representing there, Randy.
00:47Zoey Cameron with First TV and First, basically, and I'm delighted to be here.
00:54I missed you guys last week.
00:55We missed you too, Zoey. Do you have fun in Vegas?
00:59Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, you hate to go, but then you're actually glad you went,
01:04but then you're so glad you left. So it's one of those things.
01:08All right. So it was a very busy and very eventful weekend for horse racing.
01:13And let's start with the Pacific Classic on Saturday at Del Mar.
01:18The race lost some of his luster when Nysos was scratched beforehand,
01:22but it still had the fierceness versus journalism showdown in there.
01:28You know what? I came away from this.
01:30We, you know, maybe not so much lately, but early on, fierceness had this reputation of being soft.
01:36And boy, did he was he tough in this race.
01:38Coming out of the gate, he took a left turn, almost branged into the outside, into the inside rail.
01:44He was in between horses, didn't have anywhere to go.
01:47Then they got an opening and he just took off like a wild horse.
01:51It was not only a nice win, it was a win where he showed that he's got some toughness after all.
01:57I thought journalism would win this race. I was very confident.
02:01I just thought the three-year-olds were just better than the older horses.
02:03He ran fine, but he just like, just like with races against sovereignty, simply wasn't good enough.
02:08And he closed for second in what was essentially a two-horse race.
02:13Yeah, we get these narratives in horse racing, don't we?
02:16That, that, that develop around these horses and then they're hard to go away.
02:22They're hard to shake from some horse players.
02:24Initially, it was that fierceness ran one good race and then one bad race, as if that makes any sense at all, that the horse would actually do that on a, you know, continuous basis.
02:34Then it was that fierceness couldn't overcome any adversity.
02:38And now we've heard that journalism, all he needs is a target and he'll run down anything, right?
02:43Just give him a target and he'll go get him.
02:45And he does a lot of times, but it depends on how fast the horse in front of him is actually running.
02:49So, what we saw were a couple of things.
02:53First of all, as you said, Bill, fierceness can overcome adversity when he's in the right spot, when, you know, when things, when he's in great form, first of all.
03:03And he certainly did in the Pacific Classic.
03:06And also, I think he's better in California.
03:10The fast racetrack surfaces, I think, maybe lend themselves a little more towards his natural speed.
03:16You saw it in the Breeders' Cup Classic last year, ran an unbelievable race in defeat, up on, you know, incredibly fast fractions and nearly held off Sierra Leone anyway.
03:26And now they ship him to Del Mar to get him out of the way of mine for any more on that later.
03:31And he just bounces back big time.
03:34We also see that when fierceness does toss in, you know, kind of an off race, he almost always bounces back in his very next start.
03:45So, I think we might have downplayed fierceness a little bit because of his disappointing race in the Whitney.
03:52But all it took was a trip back out to California.
03:55And he is, once again, I think, front and center in the Breeders' Cup Classic conversation.
04:01Journalism, I didn't see any excuse for him.
04:04I don't know.
04:05Did you, Zoe?
04:06No, I didn't.
04:08I just feel that perhaps with all the shipping across country and all the racing, he's kind of lost a little bit of his punch, as far as I'm concerned.
04:17Rispoli is riding him exactly how he needs to ride him.
04:21He's not moving too early and not seeing him getting run down late.
04:24He's getting his target.
04:25But for me, if I'd have owned him, and trust me, I applaud Eclipse and the ownership group for campaigning this horse how they have.
04:34It's just fantastic to see a horse being campaigned, people rooting for him.
04:39But if he was mine, I'd have left him in the stall until the Breeders' Cup Classic and freshened him up.
04:45Now, he's probably going to think he's fresh as hell going into the Breeders' Cup Classic.
04:49Having, what, eight, nine weeks before the race or whatever it is, eight weeks?
04:54That seems to be, like, a long time for him right now.
04:58I just felt he's kind of lost his punch and lost his kick.
05:01So I don't think he lost anything in defeat.
05:05I applaud the ownership group for campaigning him like he has.
05:08He's an iron horse.
05:09I'd love to own him.
05:10But fierceness was best here.
05:12And how about Johnny V?
05:13He's in the Hall of Fame for a reason.
05:16How the hell he stayed on that horse, I will never know.
05:19It's just natural instinct.
05:21When a horse does that, you pull him back the other way.
05:23And then he jumped on the bridle.
05:25It was almost like it kick-started fierceness into a little bit of a tug-of-war with Johnny,
05:31who sat behind horses.
05:33He ate dirt, and he liked it.
05:35And that electric move.
05:37Now, Johnny V was kind of lucky because the horse on the inside was done,
05:41but he still had to take up just to avoid any happenings because he came through there like a rocket.
05:48But terrific ride by Johnny V.
05:50Hall of Fame ride.
05:51Great job for Todd to take him out there.
05:54And he was much, much the best.
05:56Nicers, I guess we're going to see him in the Goodwood, hopefully.
06:00Foot bruise, whatever it was.
06:03Bob is moving forward and looking for the next target.
06:06But that would have been a...
06:07I was so looking forward, and I didn't actually even hear about the scratch till late.
06:11And I was really bummed that I wasn't going to see them have this matchup, to be perfectly honest.
06:17I was like, oh, hell.
06:19That's terrible.
06:21Now, most of the top older male horses and the three-year-old dirt horses have run their last race.
06:27The dreaded were training up to the Breeders' Cup.
06:30Everybody, that's all they do now.
06:32It's pretty much the fall season, which used to be a great time of racing.
06:37It just stinks.
06:38It doesn't make any difference whatsoever.
06:40Randy, sovereignty favorite in the Breeders' Cup Classic and fierceness second choice?
06:45Well, that's how I voted.
06:46You know, they had that weekly Breeders' Cup poll, and I think I had mistakenly knocked fierceness all the way down to sixth or seventh or something like that after the Whitney, in which he had no excuse, I thought.
06:58But now I got him all the way back up to number two, right behind sovereignty.
07:03Yeah.
07:04Well, Sunday at Saratoga, they ran the Jockey Club Gold Cup.
07:07And because it's a family-oriented show, I'll only say it was a cluster beep rather than you know what.
07:13But matter of fact, so many things went wrong early in the race that you could just write a story about the first six jumps, and it could be thousands of words.
07:22We're going to show you now the drone shot, which gives you a very good idea of exactly what happened.
07:28Yeah, and we're going to look at the drone shot.
07:30It actually doesn't show them coming out of the gate, but you can see the break.
07:34And if you're taking a good look at Mindframe, who's in the yellow with kind of the teal silt, he does come out a little bit.
07:42But you can see the seven come over, and Irad actually just gets bumped.
07:47He gets bumped, and he rides on the back of the gray horse there for about three or four strides, falls on the ground.
07:55And then Pratt, doing his best aboard Sierra Leone, trying to avoid him, actually wound up going over the top of him.
08:02He pulled his horse right to get him out of the way.
08:05And then, as it happens, Jose actually fell to the right, and it was an absolute cluster.
08:11It really was, and there was a lot of finger-pointing and a lot of blame being put on this guy, on that guy.
08:19Obviously, they took the third-place finisher down, ridden by Kendrick Carmouche,
08:23because he basically came over at the start and forced the domino down to the inside.
08:29But it wasn't a case of clipping heels.
08:33It was a case of a horse being bumped to the side, and Irad simply just losing his balance and coming off on the top of Wider Barrio.
08:43Great job by Edgar Zayas to even stay on Wider Barrio.
08:47Wider Barrio carrying, what, 260 pounds for a couple of jumps there.
08:54I mean, I don't know in any other jurisdiction how you can't call that a non-starter.
09:01I don't know.
09:02It was just an absolute cluster.
09:03Sierra Leone lost all chance at the start, having to avoid the fallen horse.
09:09It was just a mess.
09:11Yeah, I mean, there were a lot of, you know, when you watch that race and you see what happened,
09:17and then you see and read about the aftermath, you know, boy, it could have been a lot worse.
09:22You know, first of all, Irad Ortiz is apparently going to come back and ride this week at Kentucky Downs,
09:28which is amazing given that he was literally trampled by Sierra Leone after he hit the ground.
09:35It's unbelievable that Edgar Zayas didn't come off of Wider Barrio when Irad basically grabbed a hold of him
09:43as he was coming off mind frame.
09:45Zayas was off his horse and then somehow managed to scramble back on Wider Barrio
09:50and get his irons back and everything.
09:53That was miraculous that he didn't go down.
09:56Mind frame apparently wasn't injured in the whole thing, despite the fact that he, you know,
10:02had all that happen at the start and then ran around the track riderless.
10:06You know, I guess Wider Barrio wasn't injured.
10:09He could have been, possibly.
10:11I mean, there's all sorts of, you know, near misses there in the Jockey Club Gold Cup.
10:17But bottom line, the horse that avoided all of that mishap was Antiquarian.
10:23Yeah.
10:24The other Todd Pletcher horse, mind frame stablemate, who continues, I mean, his pattern of big time improvement.
10:31He had just been beaten by Phileas Fogg, the disqualified horse in the Jockey Club Gold Cup.
10:38But he ran the race of his life to hold off an unlucky Sierra Leone to win.
10:42And now Antiquarian throws his hat into the ring for the Breeders' Cup Classic.
10:47And by the way, there's been a lot of finger pointing, obviously, at Kendrick Carmouche,
10:52who doesn't have the reputation as being a reckless rider.
10:58You know, I'd like to get Zoe's thought on this.
11:00I just think that when he angled over Phileas Fogg, wanting to get the lead and clear,
11:07I think the horse probably reacted in a much more abrupt manner than he expected.
11:13And it kind of surprised him that Phileas Fogg angled over that sharply.
11:17It was an overreaction on everybody's part, to be perfectly honest.
11:21And let's just say the horse did not clip heels.
11:24This was a bump.
11:26And it was not even a turn sideways bump.
11:28It was a little bit turned sideways.
11:30It was simply a case of jockeys riding on their toes, becoming unbalanced, as you do,
11:35and not riding quite as safely as they should.
11:39It happens every day.
11:41Every horse is bump.
11:42In every race across the country, it just happened to be on a massive stage when this happened.
11:48So I just believe everyone just needs to take a little bit more care.
11:52And it was simply just a bump.
11:54Kendrick does not ride like that.
11:56Dylan Davis got the brunt from Ripolli.
11:59He doesn't ride like that.
12:00It was just an overreaction to a bump that happened that Irad lost his balance, got unseated.
12:06And thank God he is okay.
12:08But, I mean, let's hear it for the winner.
12:10Antiquarian, Centennial Stables, by their own sire, Preservationist, who they campaigned so well.
12:17What a big day it was for them.
12:18And it's just fortunate that all horses and all jockeys were okay.
12:22Yeah.
12:22Obviously, I think Sierra Leone, in hindsight, was probably the best horse in the race since he was beaten a length and a half.
12:29So you can kind of give him extra credit as he goes back to Del Mar now for the Breeders' Cup Classic.
12:33What's Todd going to do with Mindframe?
12:36I'm guessing he's going to try to look for another prep race, but I don't know.
12:40Maybe you'll bring him here for the Goodwood.
12:41Maybe.
12:42You know, why to Barrio?
12:44You've got to give him a little bit of an excuse, given what happened to him early.
12:47Highland Falls got in some trouble when all that happened early on.
12:51Just a mess of a race.
12:54Absolutely.
12:55So Mike Rapoli, the owner of Mindframe, he always has something to say.
13:01And he posted on X or Twitter or whatever the hell you want to call it these days about rabbits were used in 1982 and the NFL doesn't play in leather helmets anymore.
13:12He was advocating.
13:13The rabbit, of course, was the horse that was going to set the pace for Sierra Leone.
13:19Country thinking.
13:20I disagree with that.
13:22And rabbits are just part of racing.
13:23It's not just something that happened 30 years ago.
13:26And in Europe, there's rabbits galore in almost every race.
13:31You know, it turned out that maybe the rabbit, I don't even remember the name of the horse.
13:35He's so insignificant.
13:37Country thinking.
13:38Country thinking.
13:39So it was 70 to 1.
13:41But, I mean, does anybody agree with him that it's maybe you should not?
13:46Nope.
13:47Yeah, I don't either.
13:48Don't love discussing.
13:49And by the way, sometimes rabbits win.
13:51Yeah.
13:51Every once in a while.
13:53The horse was 70 to 1.
13:54I mean, anybody who bet on him was even at 70 to 1 was probably asking to rip up all their tickets after the race.
14:00But nonetheless, you know, it could have been a lot worse because humans and horses were all apparently OK after what was a very scary incident at the start.
14:12So how do you think that Pratt felt during the running of the race, knowing that he tried to avoid Irad and wound up running over the top of him and running the whole race, having to ride his race to try and win, not knowing.
14:29Because they're pretty good buddies, him and Irad.
14:31He said that he was when he first went to New York, Irad was the first person to come over and like help him out, talk him through stuff and kind of show him the ropes in New York.
14:42And he really appreciated that.
14:44Wow.
14:45Yeah.
14:47The TDN Writers Room is brought to you by Keeneland, who had a Labor Day full of graded stakes winners coast to coast and in between on the eve of the September sale.
14:57We'll be talking about many of these a little bit later on.
15:00All right.
15:00They included Antiquarian, the winner of the Grade 1 Jockey Club.
15:05Ted Noffy, the winner of the Grade 1 Hopeful.
15:08Boy, oh boy, was he impressive.
15:09Bear River in the Grade 2 Mint Kentucky Turf Sprint.
15:14A.G. Bullitt, she just keeps on rolling in the Grade 2 Ladies Turf Sprint.
15:19Forbidable Man in the Grade 2 Del Mar Mile.
15:23And praying winner of the Grade 3 Prioress.
15:25You can find your next graded stakes winner at Keeneland, September the 8th through the 20th.
15:31I am hopping on a plane tomorrow morning.
15:33First thing, guys, and headed to Keeneland.
15:35It all comes down to this.
15:39Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
15:40The moment that defines the year.
15:43When the world's most influential buyers gather.
15:46And every decision, every bid, every opportunity shapes the future.
15:53At a marketplace that brings the thoroughbred world together.
15:57And where futures are forged.
15:59Because every moment matters.
16:03At the world's yearling sale.
16:05Keeneland, September.
16:06The Fastest Horse of the Week brought to you by the Fast Sires at Winstar Farm.
16:11A great example.
16:12Nashville, whose first yearlings have generated quite a few six-figure sales prices already.
16:18Topped by a $215,000 yearling at Saratoga's New York Bread Sale.
16:23One of the attractions of Nashville, of course, is the Breeders' Love Speed.
16:27And he was a track record-setting stakes winner at Keeneland when he ran six furlongs on a Breeders' Cup Saturday in 107.89.
16:36It turned out to be nearly a full second faster than the Breeders' Cup sprint later that same day.
16:42Nashville bred 368 mares in his first two books.
16:46And you'll see more of his first yearlings on display next week at Keeneland in September.
16:50The Fastest Horse of the Week, who we have already discussed, Antiquarian, that 109 buyer speed figure that he reeled off in the Jockey Club Gold Cup on Sunday,
17:01happens to be the fastest buyer in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in 10 years since Tonalist matched that 109 buyer speed figure back in 2015.
17:16Now we welcome in the Gainesway Guest of the Week.
17:18It's James Owen, the winning trainer in the Nashville Derby with Wimbledon Hawkeye.
17:23James, thanks for joining us.
17:24Must have been a heck of a weekend for you.
17:27Oh, fantastic weekend, yeah.
17:29I've never been to America, let alone come over with a horse and win such a big prize of that nature.
17:35And we were welcomed with open arms and a great experience for me, my owner as well.
17:43We had a great time.
17:44And the result was just the icing on the cake.
17:47And James, a lot of us here in America look at our turf horses versus the European turf horses.
17:53And Wimbledon Hawkeye is a good example.
17:54He was a very good horse, but he wasn't a Group 1 superstar.
17:58That your horses are just better than ours.
18:00And you can come over and win these big purses.
18:03You think that's the way European trainers think?
18:05I'm pretty new to the game, so I'm only going off past results.
18:14And I think that the track at Kentucky Downs is very unique.
18:19It probably suits our horse.
18:22We've been to Goodwood, which is a very up and down track.
18:27You've got to gallop downhill, gallop uphill.
18:29Go on your left lead, go on your right lead.
18:31Which I think probably gives the European horses an advantage because they've had that.
18:38They're not just going on an oval track.
18:40It definitely gave our jockey an advantage.
18:42Frankie is obviously another step ahead on that track.
18:45He's a world-class jockey, but he's definitely a step ahead on that track as well.
18:52I think we're massively better than your horses.
18:57I just think our horses are used to the track more.
19:00So as we tape this interview, it's early afternoon in the United States on Tuesday,
19:08late afternoon, early evening in the UK.
19:10Are you back in the UK right now?
19:13Yeah, back in the UK.
19:14We got back yesterday.
19:16And I've actually been to the sales today.
19:18It's the first yearling sales in Newmarket today, the summer.
19:23How much time did you actually get to spend in the US?
19:28I know trainers always talk about how they never get any holiday time because there's always horses that need to be taken care of.
19:35Did you get any time at all to go to New York City for half a day or anything?
19:40No, we flew in on Friday.
19:42We got there Friday afternoon and got a little look at Nashville and Broadway, which was – and I enjoyed that.
19:51Didn't have too late a night because, you know, it was game late for the next day.
19:55And we got to the track about – we got to the track about one o'clock.
20:01We were in our suits and ties.
20:03And we got there and, you know, we're English people.
20:07We go racing.
20:08That's what we wear.
20:08We're in our suits and – and, you know, I love – I've got a point-to-point background.
20:19So, you know, we do steeplechasing here and I love tracks like that.
20:23It's a real track, nice track, full of lovely people.
20:27No airs or graces on anyone.
20:30And, you know, we had a little – we were killing time for a while, so we had a bit of food.
20:34We actually – me and Tim wandered down – me and Tim, the owner, wandered down, had a little look at the casino, which was an eye-opener.
20:41And, you know, without that casino, that puts the money into the prize money.
20:45So, very interesting looking at the casino.
20:47I've never seen anything so big.
20:49There's many slot machines and people in there following racing, which was – I think it's fantastic.
20:56They're following the form and, you know, they're really good.
20:59But, yeah, we had a great day.
21:01You know, we didn't have to pay for a drink, didn't have to pay for any food.
21:05And, yeah, it was great.
21:09Well, you certainly hit the nail on the head right there, James, when you mentioned point-to-point,
21:14because it is an atypical point-to-point.
21:17And you grew up point-to-pointing.
21:19Before we get on and really dive into Wimbledon Hawkeye,
21:22give us a little overview of where you came from in a seemingly such short amount of time.
21:29Because 2023, you took out your dual license, which nobody really does anymore,
21:35and won like 175 races on the flat and over jumps.
21:39How did this all start?
21:42You were a jockey, right?
21:44Yeah, lucky.
21:45Yeah, no, we've been lucky.
21:46No, jockey.
21:47You were a jockey.
21:48I was a jockey, yeah, I was a jockey.
21:50I wouldn't be, I'm probably two or three times the size of a jockey now,
21:53but I was an amateur jockey.
21:55I started riding it when I was 16.
21:57I rode Arabian racing to start with and point-to-pointing.
22:02I rode 128 winners point-to-pointing, quite a few under rules.
22:08And sort of in my left, I was nine times East Anglian champion point-to-point jockey.
22:14So I really enjoyed it.
22:16But in my latter years, I realized that point-to-pointing was a bit of fun.
22:21You know, while I was pointing, I was working as assistant trainer to some big pre-trainers,
22:26Malcolm Bastard and Ed Peat.
22:28They'd be the biggest pre-trainers in the country.
22:32And probably, they're very well-renowned.
22:34Like, Malcolm Bastard is still one of the best.
22:36And, you know, he's a great guy and taught me very well.
22:40You know, he doesn't leave a stone unturned.
22:42And I rode a horse, I rode John Ferguson's point-to-pointers the last couple of seasons.
22:50And fortunately, I got, well, unfortunately, I got hurt on one of his.
22:54And I did a Liz Frank fraction.
22:56I got dragged down a hill at our local point-to-point and hurt my foot quite badly.
23:01But luckily, it was on one of John Ferguson's horses.
23:04So John looked after me, got me sorted, had a few operations.
23:09And then John said, right, James, I want you to come and work for me, be my assistant trainer.
23:14We're going to train a few jump horses.
23:17Well, six months later, we've got 50 jump horses, all from, all blue blood from Sheikh Mohammed.
23:24And fantastic.
23:25We had some great years.
23:27John is an amazing guy.
23:30You know, amazing what he did for Godolphin, what he did for Sheikh Mohammed.
23:35And what he did with Bloomfield as a jump in operation was fantastic.
23:40You know, that, I met my wife there.
23:43You know, she was a vet from the Cops world.
23:48She'd come up, you know, and met her there.
23:51She moved up and then I always wanted to do something my own, wanted to be my own, my own boss, really.
23:59I was okay being employed, but I'd rather be my own boss and build something.
24:04And Jenny was full behind me, full behind it, my wife.
24:06And John supported me when I first started and sent me quite a few horses.
24:12Pre-trained for quite a lot of years and started off in Harrison Court Stables just outside Newmarket.
24:17And Daryl Holland owned that yard and got us going.
24:21And then we were lucky to move to the yard we are now.
24:24We moved here in 2015, pre-trained here, rented it initially.
24:30And we pre-trained some real good horses.
24:33We pre-trained the Derby winner, Desert Crown.
24:35And we pre-trained for all the top trainers and owners.
24:39And, you know, through the pre-training and pointing, I've sort of made a lot of contacts,
24:43which is helping me now and still is, you know, I see these people and they're like,
24:48oh, we must send you a horse, we must send you a horse.
24:50Yeah, they wouldn't if we weren't doing well, but that's what I think.
24:53It's a bit easier.
24:54We've sort of half got our foot in the door with these people.
24:57And we had, we were at a hundred horses here pre-training.
25:02So we had the set up.
25:04But during COVID, we'd bought the yard, which is the right thing to do.
25:10But pre-training was very up and down, very seasonal.
25:16And I thought we were training Arabians at the same time.
25:19We've been champion, I've got to say that.
25:21We were training for a shake ham down.
25:22We've been champion trainer five times.
25:26But unfortunately, you know, his sad passing, the Arabians, they stopped overnight.
25:31We need something to pay, you know, the solid amount of horses all year round.
25:37And it wasn't pre-trained.
25:38And so we get, we give it a go with training a few jumpers.
25:41And it took off.
25:42We had 10 stables to start with, 12 licensed and then 20.
25:46And now we've got like 100 and 135 licensed stables and 35 unlicensed.
25:55Wow.
25:56Yeah, it's grown quickly.
25:58But the flat was, the jumping was the, is my love.
26:03The flat was my business because that was pre-training.
26:06As soon as I had a runner on the flat, my pre-training business virtually stopped overnight because I'd become a competitor.
26:14And Tim was keen, Tim Gredley, I've always broken their horses in.
26:18And he said to me, come on, have a go, have a go flat racing.
26:21You know, you can always, if that works, you can always, you know, go back.
26:26He says, I'll support you.
26:28I'm not going to send you, I'm not going to send you one or two.
26:31You can have, you can have all of them.
26:33And, you know, they've given me massive support.
26:35And, you know, without their support, I wouldn't have been, I wouldn't have been ballsy enough to do it.
26:39But I'm pretty glad they did.
26:41So, James, one of the reasons why I think more European horses don't come over to Kentucky Downs is if they're not Kentucky bred, they don't share in the full purse.
26:50Now, it was a $3.5 million race.
26:52You, of course, obviously, a European horse was not a Kentucky bred.
26:55You still made a $1.1 million, even with that discount for not being a Kentucky bred.
27:03Did you think about that beforehand?
27:06You know, not, we're not a Kentucky bred, maybe we shouldn't go.
27:09And do you think that idea that, you know, horses are bred in overseas, in Europe, maybe the trainers are reluctant to go because they're not running for the full purses?
27:16We would have loved them to be Kentucky bred.
27:21It would have been nice.
27:23So, it's a fantastic purse when you, when you, when you weigh it up.
27:28And, yeah, I mean, to be a Kentucky bred would be, you know, another million.
27:33And that's great.
27:33I think that's great to have in place.
27:35But it's a fantastic prize for me to be running against, you know, to be running for.
27:40And, you know, Wilburton Hall, probably he is a group two, group three horse here.
27:46He's competitive.
27:48I do think he's still, he's improving all the time.
27:52So, I do think he can still upgrade.
27:55But to be running against that, that money, he's, you know, it's, you can't turn that down.
28:02You can't, you can't.
28:03And do you have any plans to bring him back to the state at any time?
28:07Yeah, we're, we're very keen to take him to the Breeders' Cup turf.
28:10He's, you know, a mile four.
28:12I think he'll upgrade, go in an extra furlong.
28:14Very nimble.
28:15He'd go around a tight track.
28:17And, you know, he had a bad draw the other day.
28:20Yeah, he was the best horse in the race.
28:21But he was drawn 12 of 12.
28:23He had a bad, bad pitch.
28:25He had a great ride from Frankie.
28:26But, you know, he's gone a long way.
28:28If you go back and watch the video, he's gone a long way compared to the other horses.
28:32And I think he shot Frankie when he gave him a kick in the belly, how much he quickened.
28:36And then he's gone, oh, you know, I'm looking around in front.
28:39But lovely how he knuckled down and got it done.
28:41That was, you know, that was, the last bit was his ability.
28:44But I do think he's, he's improving.
28:46But, you know, we're keen to come back.
28:50Yeah, he's not, he's going to be a real tough task.
28:52He'd be probably, you know, he'd be third or fourth favorite in that.
28:57But, wow, to be, you know, I've never, you know, been to America last this weekend.
29:02And fingers crossed, we'll be coming again, you know, early November.
29:06So the race on Wimbledon Hawkeye's form, James, that really caught the eye of American punters
29:12was the Princess of Wales' when he was second to El Cordobas, an older horse owned by Godolphin
29:19who then came over to the States and won the Sword Dancer at Saratoga.
29:23When we saw he was beaten just a couple of lengths by El Cordobas,
29:25so now he was back in against three-year-olds, we thought, wow.
29:28But one other thing we noticed, if we went back and watched all of his races,
29:33most of his races in the UK, is that, you might have referenced this,
29:37when he makes the lead, sometimes he tends to idle a little bit.
29:42Now, as much as you trusted and admired Frankie Dettori,
29:45were you concerned at any point, like with five-sixteenths of a mile to go
29:49when Frankie blew to the lead and opened up,
29:52that he might have pressed the gas maybe just a little bit too soon?
29:58I was concerned because, you know, it looked visually,
30:02I watched it visually, I didn't watch it on the screen,
30:04it looked visually they'd gone plenty hard enough
30:07when they said there wasn't much pace in the race.
30:09I thought they'd gone plenty strong enough early.
30:11And when he, you know, he kicked on three out, turning in,
30:14I think that was about three furlongs out in our thing.
30:20And it's a stiff finish, and he suddenly accelerated away.
30:24I thought, oh, Christ, here we go.
30:26But then when you saw that other horse going, I thought,
30:28oh, my God, here we go again.
30:30We're going to get nabbed.
30:31But what Frankie did fantastically is when he saw,
30:35if you see the head on, he saw the shadow of the other horse coming,
30:39and he pulled him across just to eyeball him.
30:43And our horse, I think our horse just outbacked the other horse in the end.
30:47I think, you know, we won his pricks in the end.
30:49It was a nervous moment, but, you know,
30:54he showed great resolution, our fellow, I thought.
30:56He did.
30:58Well, I've just got one last thing.
31:00If you love Nashville, you are going to love Del Mar.
31:04If you love Nashville.
31:05Someone asked me today, where's Del Mar worth?
31:07I didn't even know.
31:08So we're looking forward to Del Mar.
31:11But we had a great day in Nashville on the Sunday before the flight.
31:15We went up there at 10 o'clock and had a little walk around.
31:19But we had a great day as well.
31:20A bit more relaxed the next day.
31:23All right.
31:23Very good.
31:24Well, James, thanks so much for coming on today to be the Gainesway Guest of the Week.
31:29Fascinating career.
31:30I just started training standard breads, too, while you're at it.
31:33I mean, there's some, you might as well have everything there is to train.
31:38But anyways, a great win with Wimbledon Hawkeye.
31:41And congratulations.
31:43And we hope we do see you back for the Breeders' Cup and for many more trips to the U.S.
31:47with your very unique and diverse stable.
31:50Lovely.
31:51Thank you very much.
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33:02Well, he had some really nice two-year-old races to end up the meet at Saratoga.
33:06With Todd Pletcher, again, winning both the hopeful and the spin away for one of his main clients, Spendthrift.
33:14The hopeful Ned Toffee.
33:16What a great name.
33:16I know you keep getting confused, Zoe.
33:18But it's obviously named after Ted.
33:23Now I'm messing it up.
33:25The horse's name is Ted Noffy.
33:29Named after, good Lord, this is difficult.
33:34Named after the hopeful of the grade one stakes race at the end of the meet at Saratoga.
33:40Zoe, what's the name of the horse?
33:43Ted Noffy.
33:44Ted Noffy.
33:45Okay.
33:46And that name comes from?
33:48Ned Toffee.
33:50It was a misprint in a publication that shall not be named.
33:54Yes.
33:54And what a clever nickname, by the way.
33:57This was a tough race.
33:59Baffert had a horse in there.
34:00And he looked like, you know, he looked uncomfortable most of the way.
34:04But in the last eighth of a mile, he just rocketed it away from horses to win by eight and a half lengths.
34:10I'm always curious about this.
34:11The hopeful of grade one, it really doesn't lead to winning the Kentucky Derby.
34:16The last hopeful winner to win the Derby was affirmed who, in 1977, won the hopeful, 1978 in the Derby.
34:22The only other horse that had any success in the Triple Crown after that was a Fleet Alex who won the 2004 Opal.
34:29But this is a good horse.
34:31And, you know, I don't think he's going to be a flash in the pan or overly precocious Zoe.
34:36I think he's going to go on and win and perhaps be a horse we'll be talking about next year.
34:41He's a big boy.
34:42Two turns most definitely in his wheelhouse.
34:45I actually had to go back and look at my notes.
34:47He was a $650,000.
34:49Keeneland September yearling, Taylor Maid sold him.
34:53And I put big, pretty Roan.
34:56Like he was big even as a yearling.
34:58And he was actually a really good mover, but he looked like he was still in his baby clothes, so to speak.
35:04And just a good mover.
35:07I put he probably going to need some time.
35:09Did I ever think he was going to win six furlongs first time out?
35:12Probably not.
35:13But boy, when Johnny pressed the button on him, he just absolutely took off.
35:19They finished up in 122.35.
35:21He went his last eighth in 12.17.
35:25They ran a full second faster than the Phillies the previous day.
35:29He's out of an old-fashioned mare.
35:32So I'm not sure how he is as a broodmare sire.
35:35But he's buying into mischief, which tells you pretty much everything you need to know.
35:40And he was by far the most impressive two-year-old winner I saw all weekend long.
35:46He just took off with ease.
35:49He was amazing.
35:51And it always says he's out of an old-fashioned mare.
35:53She doesn't mean that he's out of a mare that loves the good old days.
35:56It was actually a horse named Old Fashioned for people that don't know that.
36:00And 99% of the people out there watching this podcast already know this.
36:04But for the 1% that don't, Ned Toffee runs Spindthrift Farm for Eric Gustafsson.
36:11And before that, for the late B. Wayne Hughes.
36:15And Toffee's been around a long time.
36:16He's got a fantastic reputation in the sport.
36:20And so this horse was named by Gustafsson as kind of a play on that inadvertent misprint
36:25in which he was called Ted Noffy.
36:28Look, very fast race.
36:30Very fast race.
36:31This horse is completely legitimate moving forward.
36:35Apparently, Todd Pletcher is going to run Ted Noffy, at least the early plans,
36:40in the Breeders' Futurity at a mile and a sixteenth at Keeneland.
36:44It capped a big weekend for Pletcher and for Spindthrift that we're going to talk about here in just a second.
36:50And coincidentally, this race officially was the Spindthrift Farm Hopeful Steak.
36:58So Spindthrift sponsors it and Spindthrift wins it in very impressive fashion with Ted Noffy.
37:05And I just want to add one thing.
37:07That misprint in a racing publication, it was not Thoroughbred Daily News.
37:13One more little thing I want to throw in here.
37:15When you go down a rabbit hole and you look at Ted Noffy's pedigree, on the female side,
37:23he is actually bred to be better on the grass than on the dirt.
37:28So they're not even thinking grass right now.
37:31It's not even in their mind.
37:32But that is something that they have in their back pocket perhaps someday with Ted Noffy.
37:37And the horse and the human have a lot in common.
37:40They're both big and gray.
37:42And I love Ned.
37:43Ned Toffy is one of my favorite people.
37:47And when this horse first started, I said, boy, I hope you're standing in the winner's circle with him.
37:52And it's just a big joke and they're having so much fun with him.
37:55But it's so good to see a horse be so good this early, named for a good guy.
38:01So just delighted for Spindthrift.
38:02So earlier in the weekend, the Spinaway was won again by Pletcher Spendthrift Farms with a filly by the name of Tommy Joe.
38:10Again, very impressive.
38:12Don't know what her future is down the line, but she certainly looked like she's the real deal.
38:17Zoe?
38:18Very impressive indeed.
38:20Now, interestingly enough, you had Kendrick Carmouche subbing for Johnny V, who was riding Fierceness that day.
38:26So I would assume that Johnny V gets the mount back.
38:30Perhaps he just borrowed it, but did a very good job subbing, sat off a very quick time, 22-1, 44-2.
38:38And then she just took off and won.
38:40Now, her time wasn't quite as fast.
38:42It was almost a full second slower than the boys' one that ran the day before than Ted Noffy ran.
38:50But she is very impressive, and she really caught my eye.
38:53It was after she broke her maiden.
38:56I just saw this one filly working solo for Todd.
38:59He almost always works everything in company other than horses that are really good work horses.
39:04And I saw her come around the turn.
39:05I was looking.
39:06I was like, who is that?
39:07And we're privileged to get Todd's set list, right?
39:10So I'm looking down.
39:11I'm like, oh, Tommy Joe.
39:13She's big.
39:14She looks like a colt.
39:15And she is certainly one to take note of, and she's named for the granddaughter of the Gustafsons as well.
39:23So Ted Noffy, Tommy Joe, they're really keeping it in the family this past weekend.
39:27Yeah.
39:28Again, both owned by Spindthrift Farm, both bred by Spindthrift Farm, both son and daughter, both winners, right?
39:36Ted Noffy and Tommy Joe of the Super Stallion Into Mischief, who stands at Spindthrift Farm.
39:41I thought visually Tommy Joe was even more impressive than Ted Noffy.
39:47Now, by the clock, no.
39:48By speed figures, no.
39:50And I know that move that Tommy Joe made on the turn was in part an illusion because they went the first half mile in that race in 44.54 seconds.
40:01And so the speed was kind of coming back at the same time that Tommy Joe was launching her three-wide move.
40:07But boy, did she look good.
40:08And now she's headed to the Alcibiades at Keeneland.
40:12So you'll have Ted Noffy running on Saturday in the Breeders' Futurity, if all goes well.
40:16And the day before that, Tommy Joe, I think it's the day before that on Friday, running in the Alcibiades.
40:22Now, what does this mean going forward, right?
40:24These, you know, looking ahead to the Breeders' Cup.
40:26Now, obviously, the Breeders' Cup's in California.
40:28It's in Del Mar.
40:29And coming up next weekend, you've got the Del Mar debutante and the Del Mar Futurity, which Bob Baffert is expected to dominate, right?
40:38In the Del Mar debutante, he's got Himika and he's got Explora, a recent maiden winner.
40:45They both look fantastic.
40:46Himika won the Sorrento.
40:47And then in the Del Mar Futurity, Brandt, who ran that 101 debut buyer speed figure, unbelievable son of Gunrunner, he's going to be a huge favorite in the Del Mar Futurity.
40:59So, you know, those horses are waiting out there for whoever Todd has on the East Coast out of Keeneland shipping out to California.
41:06But keep in mind that the Eastern-based horses did very well in the Breeders' Cup last year at Del Mar.
41:14So, you can't really penalize a horse going from East to West anymore.
41:19Head-to-head right now, Brandt, Noffy.
41:25Right now, before we see Brandt run, I'll take Brandt.
41:29Okay, I'll go Noffy.
41:32Okay.
41:33And I'll break the tie.
41:35I'll go Brandt.
41:36How about that?
41:37Off that big buyer number, somebody's going to have to run very, very fast to beat him.
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43:31And, of course, the big conversation about Kentucky Breeds all weekend has been about those KTDF purse supplements at Kentucky Downs,
43:38which turned an already healthy stake structure into just bonkers purse money at Kentucky.
43:44We'll talk about that momentarily.
43:46More of just a quarter of a billion dollars paid to the breeders of Kentucky Breeds worldwide since that program was implemented back in 2005.
43:53But, as always, the reach of Kentucky Breeds goes a lot further than that, because Labor Day weekend, Kentucky Breeds had four grade one winners.
44:02Fierceness, Antiquarian Tommy Joe, and Ted Noffy.
44:08Kentucky Breeds.
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44:11Randy, you used a good term for what's going on at Kentucky Downs earlier in the show, that the purses have gone bonkers.
44:19I like that.
44:19That perfectly sums up what's going on there.
44:22And, you know, this is such a cool racetrack.
44:25And what they're doing there is just beyond belief.
44:28$41 million in purses for the meet.
44:31Saturday, they have six stakes races.
44:34One of them, how about this?
44:36The Gunrunner stakes, $2 million, isn't even graded, which is a little bit crazy.
44:42The Nashville Derby last week was a grade three, a $3.5 million purse.
44:46I think, Toba, the graded stakes committee needs to rethink that.
44:50But they're giving away, in the stakes races alone, they're giving away $13 million in purses.
44:57You know, every year we kind of think, well, we've seen the best of Kentucky Downs.
45:01It's peaked.
45:02It can't get any better.
45:04Somehow they do it.
45:05I mean, it's almost like they have a machine in the basement printing money, and they don't even know what to do with it.
45:10They just give it away to every horse, give it away to whoever wants to promote them.
45:18And, Randy, you were watching from Connecticut for the ESPN, excuse me, for, of course, for the NBC broadcast.
45:24What are some of your thoughts on what's been going on so far at Kentucky Downs?
45:29Well, first of all, about the money generated by the Mint Casino at Kentucky Downs.
45:34They not only give money like crazy to the horse, they give money to Churchill Downs.
45:39They give money to Keeneland to help supplement their purses.
45:43They got more money.
45:44It's unbelievable the impact that Kentucky Downs has had, not just on the state of Kentucky,
45:50but horsemen everywhere are now having to completely rethink the schedules for their horses, especially their grass horses.
45:56But even some of them, I mean, look at the three-year-old dirt horses that decided to take a run at the Nashville Derby
46:01instead of running against sovereignty and journalism.
46:04And Burnham Square ran a hell of a race in defeat to Wimbledon Hawkeye in the Nashville Derby.
46:09Look, it's just unbelievable the job that they've done.
46:12And the first thing that I think people noticed when they were watching Kentucky Downs this year was the upgrade in their video system, right?
46:23With the drone shots and the cable cam shots as the horses came down the wire.
46:28It really makes – it really has taken watching Kentucky Downs races, right, from, okay, where's my horse?
46:39Whoa, no, where'd he go?
46:41To all of a sudden having just a top-class video production where you can follow everything very, very well.
46:48And, you know, three cheers to Kentucky Downs for doing that.
46:52Yeah.
46:52And, Bill, you hit the nail on the head.
46:54They are literally printing money in the basement.
46:57They have machines called horse racing, historical horse racing machines that are literally printing money in the basement.
47:06They've got so much money they don't know what to do with it.
47:08And, yes, the camera angles were great, but, I mean, they had money last year and the year before.
47:13I'm glad they finally got around to doing it because it's not like they haven't had the money to do it.
47:19The camera angles were very, very good.
47:21I love the addition of Michael Rona.
47:24He was absolutely brilliant.
47:26And it's not easy from his standpoint to call those races because he's doing it from his binoculars across a field uphill and Dale.
47:35So, I thought he did a terrific job of calling the races.
47:39The races were great.
47:40How about Frankie de Torre?
47:41He won four races on Sunday.
47:44He won two on Saturday.
47:46He's the leading jockey with six wins.
47:48Jose Ortiz, who took down the last two titles, is second with five wins.
47:53There's only one trainer who's won three races.
47:55That's Joe Sharp.
47:56Mike Maker's won two.
47:58And everyone else is on one or a ducker.
48:00It's been absolutely terrific.
48:02There's no main dominant trainer down there this year, at least not right now.
48:08And it's been really fun to watch.
48:10I'm glad to see that NBC made the fray.
48:13It was good to see Brittany and Nick down there.
48:15And Jess flew over from England.
48:17So, it really is a terrific garden party in a big field with millions of dollars that they're printing in the basement.
48:27Yeah.
48:27The only thing, and I don't want to dwell on this, but I'll just mention it.
48:31The only thing that didn't go right for Kentucky Downs this opening weekend, they decided at the last minute to go to a new vendor for on-screen graphics and for race timing.
48:44Right?
48:44A vendor from France called McLeod.
48:46Ooh, the timing.
48:48Who apparently does some Asian races and does some French races and all that.
48:53And it was understandable that they would want to take a shot with it because this company on their website boasts that they can get accuracy to within one centimeter.
49:05Right?
49:06It's a combination of GPS and antennas and things like that.
49:09Well, they tried.
49:13I mean, suffice to say that Bill Belichick's debut as the head coach of North Carolina went better than McLeod's debut timing races in the United States.
49:23And you'd like to think, okay, let's get, you know, work the kinks out and then, you know, we'll come back and see, give them a little bit of time.
49:30Well, it was only a seven-day meet at Kentucky Downs, so it's not like they have a lot of time to work the kinks out.
49:35So you may have noticed if you're a horse player or handicapper, every single posted final time, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, has been changed by Equibase.
49:48Equibase completely flushed all of the times from the McLeod system and is using their own video times.
49:56And it's been a little bit of a headache for speed figure guys.
49:59But anyway, I don't want to dwell on that because it's 99% positive, everything, coming out of Kentucky Downs.
50:06But that's something that some horse players may notice.
50:09And, Randy, how did that affect the buyer team?
50:12Was it hard to make speed figures for these races?
50:14I spent about 48 hours retiming races and looking at gate positions and looking at run-ups and looking at the French times and looking at the Equibase.
50:26Yeah, it was a – but I think I got them okay.
50:29You've got it.
50:29All right, good for you.
50:30Sorry, there's some wet stuff falling from the sky.
50:32I had to run outside and actually take a look and see what on earth is going on outside.
50:39Or in California, it doesn't rain, it's raining.
50:41Moistures falling from the sky.
50:44I know.
50:46All right, so I asked each of you guys to look at the card on Saturday at Kentucky Downs and just pick out a horse or somebody in a race you particularly like.
50:55I'm going to start it off with a gun runner, the $2 million listed race.
50:59I am so convinced, especially after Hawkeye won this Nashville Derby, that the European horses are just so much better than our horses.
51:11And in this race, you have two European horses.
51:13I think Tabidi is the best one of the two.
51:17The other one is Namiron from Germany coming in.
51:20Usually, German horses aren't nearly as good as the Ireland, England, France, but a German horse has already come in and won at this meet, flattened the curve, who won the Bowling Green Cup earlier in the meet.
51:31Tabidi is a typical European horse that comes over and can win these races.
51:35He's not a star.
51:36He's not a Group 1 horse.
51:37But when he meets up with our horses or any of these European horses meet up with our horses, they just seem to always win, you know, more than their fair share.
51:47So I'm going to look to box those two in that race, maybe fool around with a couple other horses.
51:52Zoe?
51:53I did not understand the assignment.
51:56I thought we were looking back.
51:58All right, you get an F.
51:59Randy?
52:00All right, right here.
52:02Yeah.
52:02Daily Double, Music City and the Franklin Simpson.
52:05Tabidi, Music City.
52:07Great Minds Think Alike.
52:09There you go, Bill.
52:10To Spiced Up.
52:12I like Spiced Up.
52:13In the Franklin Simpson.
52:14I'm just looking at Spiced Up.
52:16I do like Spiced Up.
52:17But yeah, I did not understand the assignment.
52:20And if you want to know the Spanish Eyes and the Ladies' Marathon, Brendan Walsh.
52:23There you go.
52:24We still love you anyway, Zoe.
52:25So we'll give you a pass on this one.
52:27Fine, we're running too long anyway.
52:29Too much time in Vegas.
52:31All right.
52:32Yeah.
52:33It is time for the first TV Work of the Week,
52:36brought to you every week by First TV.
52:38We're going to take a look at Baeza,
52:40who is likely headed towards the Pennsylvania Derby at Parks on September the 20th.
52:45Now, he works a very sharp five-eighths here in 59 and 1.
52:50That's Amy aboard him, and she rides legs length on everything.
52:53And you can just see she's nudging him along,
52:56but he's moving really well.
52:57He's a tad high-headed, which is not something that I ordinarily see from Baeza,
53:03but he works extremely sharp here.
53:05You can see Amy going right-handed, left-handed, right-handed,
53:08just keeping him straight, underhanded there for Baeza.
53:12But nevertheless, looks very, very good indeed for trainer John Sherricks.
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54:22Of course, all owners point for that Saratoga meeting.
54:25And on Sunday, West Point got its sixth Saratoga win of the meeting.
54:30That was when Ivory and Ebony broke through for trainer Dale Romans and jockey Joel Rosario.
54:36And not to end there, West Point came back the very next day at Monmouth when Cugino showed his liking for the Jersey Shore by winning the Red Bank Stakes.
54:45His third career win, Cugino, written by Samuel Moran, trained by Hall of Famer Shook McGee.
54:52See, I got it right this time.
55:19We have outtakes that no one will ever see.
55:22Oh, no.
55:23I'm talking right now.
55:24Keep listening.
55:26Ned Toffee, a very impressive winner of the grade one.
55:31Oh, Ted Noffy.
55:33I know.
55:34You know how many times I've done that?
55:39The horse's name is Ted Noffy.
55:43Named after.
55:45Good Lord, this is difficult.
55:48Named after.
55:52You got it, Bill.
55:53You got it.
55:53You guys know what I mean.
55:55You got it.
55:56Keep going, Bill.
55:57Keep going.
55:58The horse was named after Ted Noffy from Spendthrift.
56:01The horse was named after Ned Toffee.
56:08All right.
56:09Let's start this whole disaster off.
56:10No, I'm leaving this way.
56:11No, no.
56:12Keep going.
56:13No, come on.
56:14It looks like the restart of the Jockey Club Bowl Cup.
56:19Anyways, thanks for listening.
56:20Thanks to my co-host and the whole team.
56:22We'll talk to you next week.
56:23We'll talk to you next week.
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