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00:32Good afternoon. My name's Marion.
00:34I live across the street.
00:36Nice to meet you. I'm Anne.
00:38The thing is, Billingham's a nice area.
00:40I'm sure you're perfectly civil yourself, but...
00:42Ah, here it is.
00:46As you can see, quite a few of the neighbours have already signed it.
00:54You're trying to get rid of us?
00:56It's not you. It's your husband.
00:58All these foreigners pouring off the boats like rats.
01:02Surely you could have done better for yourself.
01:06I think you'd be happier elsewhere, don't you?
01:10Oh, can you believe this?
01:12Yeah, that's called character, Al.
01:14Character?
01:16It's a jumping elf, Al.
01:18That's what that is.
01:20He's always been the same.
01:22He's got no appreciation for the finer things his life.
01:24Says you.
01:26I bet you drink black water.
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01:32None of them.
01:34Honestly.
01:36Look, it's not worth it.
01:38Hey! You can shove your petition up your arse!
01:40And if you ever try anything like that again, you'll be sorry!
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02:49I almost believe that pigeons are all I can feel.
03:13You've no need to be nervous. He's a very nice fella.
03:16Could be the spawn of Satan for all I care. As long as he listens to what I have to say.
03:21You don't have to say anything. That's why I'm here.
03:26Hello. Follow me, please. Thanks.
03:35It's just round here.
03:38Let me do the talking.
03:40All right.
03:44Mrs Ming. Mr Ming. Come on in.
03:47Thanks, Isabel. Frank.
03:49Jack, thanks for seeing us today.
03:51I know how busy you are.
03:52Not at all. Always a pleasure.
03:54So, as I mentioned on the phone...
03:56This is our daughter, Mr Straw.
03:59And this, this is the man who murdered her.
04:02That's not an opinion. He confessed to it in a court of law.
04:05Yes. I've been following the case closely, Mrs Ming.
04:09Well, I am not happy with the perjury sentence, and I want to know what you're going to do about it.
04:13Well, there's not a great deal I can do about it, I'm afraid.
04:16Well, then something needs to be done about changing the double jeopardy law, then, doesn't it?
04:20Double jeopardy is a very grey area, Mrs Ming.
04:23I'm not bothered what colour it is. I want to know what you're going to do.
04:35Don't bother with that.
04:36There's no case like ours in that book, or any other, for that matter.
04:39Am I right?
04:41Well, as a matter of fact, you are.
04:45Here's where things currently stand.
04:47The Home Affairs Select Committee are recommending that the double jeopardy law be changed.
04:52And I've asked the Law Commission to undertake their own review.
04:56But this may take years, I'm afraid.
04:59Well, we haven't got years.
05:01He'll be out before too long, and once he's out, it'll be a bloody sight harder to get him put back in.
05:06It's a general principle of lawmaking in this country that any change should only apply to the future, not the past.
05:13So even if their recommendations are enacted, the chances of it being applied retrospectively to historic cases such as yours, pretty slender, I'm afraid.
05:23I'm sorry, I'm just being honest with you.
05:29Okay, well, tell me this.
05:31What would you do if you were in our situation?
05:36If you're to have any chance of success, you'll have to get the Law Commission on your side.
05:41All right, well, give me the name of the person I need to speak to there, then, please.
05:47You've got grit. I'll give you that.
05:50We've been wronged, Jack. How can I stay silent?
05:53My advice? Don't.
05:55In fact, the louder you are, the better.
06:03Bloody hell, you just had the Home Secretary eaten out of your hand.
06:07I don't know what all the fuss is about.
06:10He's just a man in a slightly better suit than yours.
06:13That's a good one, love.
06:18Have I missed anything?
06:20You must be joking.
06:22I've seen in sight that pedias with less detail than theirs.
06:25Let's just hope they get back to us quickly.
06:29I'm gonna go to bed.
06:31What are you doing?
06:33Oh, just some paperwork, love.
06:35Sleep tight.
06:36Night, Kev.
06:38Night.
06:43What is it?
06:45Is it Kev?
06:46I don't think he saw anything.
06:47No, I'm...
06:52I'm thinking of retiring, but in the NHS.
06:55What?
06:57It just feels like it's time.
07:00But you love your job.
07:02I know.
07:04But this is gonna need all of my focus and energy.
07:10What?
07:12You heard what Jack Straw said.
07:14It could take years.
07:15I don't care how long it takes.
07:18What if it's five years?
07:20Ten years, even.
07:22But what if after all those years of fighting, you still don't get the result you want?
07:27We can't think like that.
07:29Look, I know how you feel about all of this, and that's fine.
07:32I don't need your help, but I do need your support.
07:34I don't need your help, but I do need your support.
07:35I still need your support.
08:05Hi, love. How's your week?
08:20Come in.
08:24Mind if I sit?
08:32Is everything okay, love?
08:36You'd tell me if it wasn't, wouldn't you?
08:41Look, whatever it is, you can be honest with me.
08:58Oh, my God.
09:01Where did you find these?
09:03The library.
09:05Some kids at school were saying things.
09:09Oh, Kev.
09:14You couldn't read any more after that one?
09:16No, of course you couldn't.
09:18Look, please, please, let me explain.
09:21Why would you lie to me?
09:23I don't know.
09:25Why?
09:26I don't know, love. I didn't mean to hurt you.
09:29We wanted to protect you.
09:30We wanted to protect you, that's all.
09:32Not just your granddad and me, but your dad as well.
09:34You were so young.
09:37But I am sorry. I'm sorry.
09:40It's not fair.
09:41Look, you can ask me anything you like about her, anything at all, okay?
09:50And I will...
09:51I'll tell you the truth now, I promise.
09:54Promise.
09:56She was murdered, wasn't she?
10:01Yes.
10:03By who?
10:05A man she knew.
10:08Is he in prison?
10:09Yeah.
10:10By killing my mum?
10:13No.
10:15But I'm fighting to put that right.
10:19What do you mean?
10:21Well, I'm trying to change the law.
10:23So that your mum gets the justice she deserves.
10:27And so I can help other people in the same situation as us.
10:32Why did he kill her?
10:36I don't know, love.
10:37I don't think I'll ever know.
10:41But I'm going to make sure it wasn't for nothing.
10:46Oh, Mia.
10:50I'm sorry for lying.
11:04Oh, God.
11:05Why haven't they replied yet?
11:06The Law Commission.
11:08Yes.
11:09Of course the Law Commission.
11:11Sorry.
11:13It's been weeks, Charlie.
11:15Maybe they're just very busy.
11:17No.
11:18We've been fobbed off.
11:20Yet again.
11:21You don't know that.
11:24Maybe we should go to London.
11:26Get a meeting in person.
11:27That might be easier said than done, love.
11:28Well, what do you suggest?
11:29You know I can't just give up.
11:30I haven't the energy anymore, love.
11:43I'm sorry.
11:44I'm sorry.
11:45I told you you should have married someone younger.
11:54Charlie.
11:55What?
11:57Give me a...
11:58No, it's fine.
11:59Give me it.
12:02Oh, darling.
12:04It's getting worse.
12:06There's no definitive test for it.
12:08But based on the physical examination and your symptoms,
12:12so the chronic fatigue and tremors,
12:14then I'm afraid it is highly likely.
12:17Thank you, Doctor.
12:19If you have any questions...
12:20No.
12:22You've been very helpful.
12:24Come on.
12:25Mrs Ming.
12:33Charlie, will you?
12:36We will get through this, Charlie.
12:41What about the Law Commission?
12:42What are you talking about?
12:45Everything's changed, love.
12:47No, it hasn't.
12:48Yes, it has.
12:50This is about you now.
12:52It's not, and nor should it be.
12:55Not for a good while, anyway.
13:05I don't want you fussing over me.
13:07What I want is for you to keep fighting.
13:10I don't think that's true, Charlie.
13:13But it is.
13:15You have to, Anne.
13:16Because otherwise, I don't think you'll ever find peace.
13:19If the Law Commission have decided double jeopardy's not a priority,
13:23then you need to do whatever it takes to make them sit up and take notice.
13:29Okay?
13:31Okay.
13:32Well, don't stop till the fight is done.
13:33Well, don't stop till the fight is done.
13:42With me on the show today is the mother of Julie Hogg, a young woman murdered in 1989 by a man who has escaped justice because of a centuries-old law known as double jeopardy.
13:54Anne Ming, welcome to NewsHour.
13:57Thanks, Penny. It's good to be here.
13:59I should start by talking about double jeopardy, which some people claim is there to prevent endless trials of the same person.
14:06Now, I can understand why it was created more than 800 years ago, but today it's not fit for purpose.
14:11It shouldn't apply to someone who's openly boasted about committing a murder, and that's exactly what my daughter's killer did.
14:18He bragged about pulling off the perfect crime.
14:21Now, if that's not a reason to change the law, then I don't know what is.
14:25You've embarked on quite a campaign, haven't you?
14:29Yes. Yes, I have, Penny.
14:31I'm doing newspapers and radio, a TV documentary.
14:35I'm talking to politicians, you name us.
14:36If you can follow me, this is me.
14:40It must be painful, though.
14:42It is.
14:44But my daughter has been denied justice, and I won't stop until it's been rectified.
14:49I hear you're also going to be on national television to debate Imran Khan, the lawyer for Stephen Lawrence's family.
14:56Yes, that's right.
14:58For some reason, he believes the law should stay as it is, so I'll have to change his mind, won't I?
15:0218 seconds. Standby, please.
15:05With all its power and resources, the state shouldn't be permitted to make repeated, theoretically unlimited attempts to convict a man when he doesn't have the analogous resources to find the evidence that clears him.
15:16Would you agree, Mrs Ming?
15:18Look, well, I don't know all these fancy words, I just know that the law isn't fair and it needs to be changed.
15:26Look, the real problem here is ineffectual police investigations.
15:30Now, without double jeopardy, you'd just get sloppy police work, because they'd know they could just try again if things didn't go their way.
15:35Surely there'll be safeguards for-
15:37And where would that leave us?
15:39With an individual living in a state of constant anxiety and insecurity, subjected to embarrassment, expense and ordeal, and the police disincentivised to be rigorous or proficient.
15:51Mrs Ming?
15:52Er, you have a daughter, I believe, Mr Cairn.
16:00Yes, I do.
16:02Well, if your daughter had been murdered, and a man had confessed to killing her in the court of law, would you be happy with a perjury sentence?
16:09Well, legally speaking-
16:10No, I'm not talking as a lawyer, I'm talking as a father.
16:15Well, I wouldn't say-
16:16Would you be happy with a perjury sentence?
16:18Er, of course I wouldn't.
16:23You wouldn't.
16:24Well, that says it all.
16:25You can stop the cameras now, because that says it all.
16:27He wouldn't be happy with a perjury sentence, and we're not.
16:30And we'll go to the European Court of Human Rights if we have to, for justice for our daughter.
16:36Mr Cairn, Mrs Ming, thank you very much for your time.
16:40Yes, that's correct. How can I help you?
16:42Is Mrs Ming there?
16:43No, I'm sorry, she's not here right now.
16:45Can I give her a message?
16:46I'm calling from the Law Commission.
16:48Oh.
16:49I see.
16:51Right, I'll be sure to pass that on to her.
16:54Thank you very much.
16:55Ta-ra.
16:58That was them.
17:00Who?
17:01The Law Commission.
17:03Alan Wilkie saw the debate on the telly.
17:06Says he wants to meet you.
17:08I'm sorry for the delay in responding to your thorough and very moving letter.
17:20So you did read it, then?
17:22Yes.
17:24Let's just say you made yourself hard to ignore.
17:27We know there are several other families around the country in your situation.
17:32And we were hoping-
17:3335.
17:35I beg your pardon?
17:36Other cases, that is.
17:39I've met most of them.
17:41They are just as desperate for the law to be changed as us.
17:44I'll get to the point, Anne.
17:48We agree wholeheartedly that a review should be a priority.
17:53Good.
17:55But it needs to be retrospective.
17:57Otherwise it's of no bloody use to us.
18:00We'll do what we can.
18:02He's out in a few years, you see.
18:04The man who murdered our Julie, so I hope you mean that.
18:09It's understandable that you're keen to get things moving, especially in the light of his appeal.
18:14He's appealing?
18:15Yes.
18:17Against his perjury sentence?
18:19I'm sorry, I assumed you'd have heard.
18:22Well then, then that's even more reason to get your skates on, isn't it?
18:25No time for messing around.
18:29About this appeal, Anne, you might consider writing to the justices.
18:33We're seeing some compelling evidence that something called a victim impact statement can influence the court.
18:41I wrote one of those for his perjury case, it didn't make a blind bit of difference.
18:45You wrote an impact statement for the perjury sentencing?
18:48It took years off my life, it did.
18:50Why?
18:52I've read that far from cover to cover.
18:54I'm sorry to say that there was no such statement in there.
18:58What? I hunted it in at the CPS personally.
19:00I can only imagine it's some sort of bureaucratic oversight.
19:04Oh, for God's sake.
19:05No wonder we only got six years.
19:07I was told it would play a big role in the judge's sentencing.
19:10That's certainly how it's supposed to work.
19:12But it's like we don't really matter.
19:14We must have a very low opinion of the legal establishment.
19:18Honestly, Alan, it's been like this from the start.
19:20The police not listening to me, Julie's reputation dragged through the mud,
19:24and now no one's bothered to even read my statement.
19:26I realise you probably won't want to write another impact statement,
19:31but if you do, I will make sure that the justices read it.
19:36And you have my word on that.
19:41You're writing another one?
19:43Yeah.
19:44He's appealing his perjury sentence.
19:47Oh, f...
19:51You haven't forgotten we're out for Gary's birthday tonight?
19:54No, of course not.
19:56That CPS courier's picking it up from the house at 4.30.
19:59I'll have plenty of time.
20:01All right.
20:03I'll do you a coffee.
20:05Yeah, thanks, love.
20:06What time's the taxi coming?
20:08Fifteen minutes.
20:10You look very nice.
20:14They said they'd call to confirm they received it.
20:16Hmm?
20:18I'm gonna have to call him, Tom.
20:19I'm gonna have to call him, Tom.
20:21Royal Court of Justice.
20:22Hello.
20:23Yeah, it's Ann Meng.
20:24Case number 2-0-1-2-0-8.
20:26I'm calling to check that you received my impact statement.
20:29No, we haven't received anything for that case, I'm afraid.
20:32What, no, are you sure?
20:33It should have been faxed over in the last hour or so.
20:34No, I can't see anything here.
20:38Unbelievable.
20:39All right.
20:40I'll get them to send it again.
20:41Yeah, well, thanks.
20:45They haven't bloody sent it.
20:46Who?
20:48The CPS is a spy.
20:49The D-R-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A.
20:50Unbelievable. All right.
20:51I'll get them to send it again.
20:53Yeah, well, thanks.
20:55They haven't bloody sent it.
20:56Who?
20:57The CPS.
20:58How hard is it to send a fax?
21:00Where are you going?
21:01You go ahead.
21:02I'll just get there when I can.
21:03Surely you don't have to drive around there.
21:06Yes, I do. Look, I don't trust them to do anything.
21:08It happened the last time.
21:10Anne.
21:11Anne.
21:11Just tell Gary not to open his presents without me.
21:14We've met before. Do you remember?
21:28A year or so ago.
21:29Mrs. Bennet.
21:29I was promised that the judge of the perjury sentencing
21:32would get my victim's statement only he never received it.
21:34And now the man who killed my daughter
21:36is appealing against his poxy six-year sentence.
21:39So do you know what I did? I wrote another one.
21:41I went through the torture of reliving our Julie's murder
21:43and I wrote another very detailed statement.
21:46A statement I was promised would be in London
21:47before six o'clock today.
21:48And guess what?
21:49You'll bloody well let me down again.
21:51Mrs. Ming.
21:51No, I will call Frank Cook, Alan Wilkie, Jack Bledon-Straw
21:55if I have to.
21:56I am not leaving this room
21:57until you call the clerk of court in London
21:59and fax him my document.
22:07I think I'd listen to Mrs. Ming if I were you.
22:13Where is everyone?
22:36They left already.
22:37They were here as long as they could.
22:42They've got their own lives on them.
22:47I thought I'd make it.
22:59I didn't know what water, so...
23:01No, this is fine, thanks.
23:04Yeah.
23:11If he's cold, I can ask some of them.
23:13You're fine, thank you.
23:23I wish I could be in two places at once.
23:25Which he can't, Alan.
23:31It's not for nothing, Charlie.
23:34I hope you're right.
23:42Now, remember, it really isn't the end of the world
23:45if this appeal is successful
23:46and the sentence is reduced.
23:48Anything that puts that man back on the streets
23:50is catastrophic in my book.
23:52Well, let's keep everything crossed.
23:53Having considered the evidence
23:56and especially in light of the
23:59thorough and affecting
24:02victim impact statements
24:03applied by Mrs. Ming,
24:05we are unanimous in our judgment
24:08that a sentence of six years
24:10was not manifestly excessive
24:12and we do not seek to interfere
24:15with the judge's ruling
24:16and consequently,
24:17we dismiss the appeal against the sentence.
24:23Thank goodness for that.
24:26So what happens next
24:27about double jeopardy?
24:29Well, that's a small matter of
24:30unpicking 800 years of legal history,
24:32but
24:33it's in the hands of
24:35Home Secretary and the Royal Chancellor.
24:37They have our report
24:38and they give it their consideration.
24:40How long will that take?
24:42Shouldn't be too long.
24:45Right.
24:45Thanks for coming with me.
24:52I wouldn't miss it for anything.
24:54I know it's not easy for you.
24:56You know,
24:57it would be quite something
24:58if they overturned the law.
25:03Well, unless it's retrospective,
25:04it's all been for nothing.
25:06No.
25:07Whatever happens,
25:09you've done her proud.
25:10Government white paper.
25:15No, because of you.
25:17We best get going.
25:18Right.
25:20Right.
25:21You'll look after Angela for us,
25:22won't you?
25:23What do you say?
25:25I want to come too.
25:28Oh, no, darling.
25:29I don't think that's a good idea.
25:30Why not?
25:31Why shouldn't I be there?
25:31I want to be there
25:34to support you.
25:40And my mum.
25:47Oh, I don't want to go.
25:48Does my hair look all right in this wind?
25:49Yeah, it looks good.
25:50Very nice.
25:51You're blown everywhere.
25:52You were very nice.
26:00Hello.
26:01Hello.
26:02My name's Anne Ming.
26:03I'm here.
26:04This is for you.
26:04This is for you.
26:06Oh, thank you.
26:11Oh, God.
26:12It's retrospective.
26:14The double jeopardy law
26:15has been overturned
26:16and it's going to be retrospective.
26:17Oh, come on.
26:18It's a monumental moment for you, Anne.
26:20It is.
26:21Yeah, I'm shaking.
26:22I can't believe it.
26:23I can't believe it.
26:24Oh, God.
26:26I can't believe it.
26:27I can't believe it.
26:27I can't believe it.
26:29Well, I suppose the lesson is
26:30being a bloody-minded
26:32pain in the arse
26:33can pay off sometimes.
26:36Thank you, Anne.
26:37Oh, yeah.
26:40Sorry I couldn't be there.
26:41You probably heard me cheering
26:42from the other end of the year one.
26:45Do you know,
26:45Mark Braithwaite,
26:46he's another one of the good guys.
26:48Nice to meet you, Mark.
26:48Likewise.
26:49Take a seat.
26:50Honestly, without fellas like you,
26:52we'd have never achieved what we have.
26:53Well, we're not quite there yet.
26:56Which is not to say we shouldn't celebrate.
26:58You've got to recognise your victories
27:00along the way, haven't you?
27:02Well, I mean,
27:02I know it needs to be debated,
27:03but from what I understand,
27:05after a bit of back and forth,
27:06it is likely to get the votes, isn't it?
27:08In the Commons, yes.
27:10But remember,
27:10the Lords is a different matter.
27:12There you go.
27:12Thanks.
27:13There are a bunch of old,
27:15conservative white men in the main.
27:18They're not generally keen
27:19on dismantling ancient English laws.
27:22But do you think they'll block us?
27:25I won't lie.
27:27I think it'll be tough to get through.
27:31Who do I talk to?
27:33About what?
27:33Speaking to the Lords.
27:35Would they allow it?
27:37It's very unconventional.
27:39But it is allowed.
27:41You'd really do that?
27:42Make a speech to the Lords?
27:44Can you help me or not?
27:45I know Lord Faulkner a little.
27:50Let me speak to him.
27:51Thanks.
27:52Don't screw it up.
27:54I'll try not to.
27:55Good luck with that.
27:56See you.
28:04Safe and sober
28:05or bald and red?
28:08I'd play it safe if I were you.
28:11Are you sure you don't want to come with me?
28:14I'd love to.
28:16I'd love to.
28:19Right.
28:21Now, some shoes.
28:24You look great, whatever you wear.
28:34Good morning.
28:42This must all seem rather grand to you,
28:44but don't worry.
28:45Committee room isn't quite as many of you.
28:47Morning.
28:48Morning.
28:48Morning.
28:50It's 2.30 in the afternoon.
28:51Well, it's always morning here
28:52until the house sits.
28:54One of our little conventions.
28:57Now, when we vote,
28:58we queue in two lines.
29:00Either the content
29:01or the not content corridor.
29:03And we are counted off
29:05by a peer holding a drumstick.
29:07Musical or chicken.
29:08Tim.
29:10Right.
29:11Here we are.
29:12You ready?
29:13Uh, yeah.
29:16You do have a speech, don't you?
29:17I've made some notes,
29:18but I don't think I'll leave them.
29:20This is mean,
29:21these are some of the most powerful
29:22and respected people in the country.
29:24I've seen seasoned speakers
29:26go completely dry.
29:28Look,
29:29I may not be hoity-toity
29:30like you lot,
29:32but I know what I want to say.
29:35I've had 13 years to think about it.
29:39What?
29:39My most noble,
29:44learned lords.
29:46May I introduce
29:47my guest today,
29:50Mrs. Ann Ming.
29:51You'll be talking to us
29:53with regards to the
29:54criminal justice bill,
29:55specifically part 10,
29:57which concerns the so-called
29:58double jeopardy rule.
30:09My lords and ladies,
30:12um,
30:13thank you most humbly
30:15for, um,
30:16letting me speak today.
30:18I'll try not to take up
30:19too much of your time.
30:24On November 16th, 1989,
30:27our eldest daughter, Julie,
30:28went missing.
30:30Police,
30:32when I spoke to them,
30:33we hadn't seen her
30:34since the previous day,
30:36and she was due in court
30:37in Stockton the next morning.
30:38Speak up.
30:45Anyway, I had a good,
30:46a good feeling
30:47that something dreadful
30:48had happened to her.
30:49The police spent a week
30:51searching her home
30:52and they found nothing.
30:53look, I'm going to tell you
31:07how it feels
31:08to lose a child
31:09and how it feels
31:11to be shafted
31:12by the law.
31:16There have been two moments
31:17of deep trauma
31:18in my life.
31:19one
31:20was the moment
31:22I found my daughter's body
31:23under the bath.
31:26Thirteen years later,
31:27I still have nightmares.
31:30The second
31:31was the moment
31:31I had to watch
31:32my daughter's murderer
31:33walk free.
31:34nobody here
31:39will ever,
31:40ever know
31:41how that feels.
31:44Trusting the state
31:45to bring you justice
31:46and peace
31:47only to find yourself
31:49marginalised
31:50and
31:50betrayed.
31:52For you,
31:53the law is just something
31:53you make for others
31:54in this ivory tower
31:55with your inherited privileges.
31:57but for me,
31:58it's a cancer.
31:59For the last 13 years,
32:01I have fought
32:02to get justice for Julie.
32:04I've had to deal
32:04with rank police,
32:06incompetence,
32:07two mistrials,
32:08two home secretaries
32:09and a CPS
32:10who didn't even seem
32:11to care about
32:11was victims.
32:13On top of all that,
32:15I had to figure out
32:16a way of telling
32:17my grandson
32:17what happened
32:19to his mammy
32:19and how to keep
32:22me marriage together
32:23when me and my husband
32:25Charlie
32:25were drowning in grief.
32:27I don't want
32:30your sympathy.
32:31I just need you
32:32to listen.
32:33If someone
32:34is sent to prison
32:35for a crime
32:35and new evidence
32:36proves that they
32:37were innocent all along,
32:39well, it's only right
32:39that they should walk free.
32:41Well, surely
32:42it should work
32:43the other way around, too.
32:45If someone
32:46is acquitted
32:46and new evidence
32:48proves that they
32:48were guilty all along,
32:50well, then they should
32:50take the rap for it.
32:55Look, I'm not...
32:56I'm not interested
32:58in revenge
32:58or even compensation.
33:01I just want the man
33:02who took our little girl
33:04from us
33:04to pay for his crime.
33:10Our daughter's right
33:11to life
33:11was stolen from her.
33:14The only way
33:15we can get justice
33:16is by changing
33:17the double jeopardy law
33:18retrospectively.
33:19Yeah, yeah.
33:22Yeah, yeah.
33:23It's very nice.
33:25It's very nice.
33:25It's very nice.
33:28I fancy seeing you here.
33:49I'm there all the time.
33:50Yeah, I didn't know that.
33:53So you don't know, ma'am?
33:54I don't think I've got the energy
33:58to keep on fighting, you know.
34:01If the Lord's block it.
34:06Did I see her?
34:08No.
34:09Oh, Julie.
34:12God, I miss her so much.
34:16I don't care
34:17who she was with, what she went through
34:19in her private life.
34:21I just wish I could tell her that I love her.
34:24Mum.
34:31What?
34:33I...
34:33I miss her too.
34:37But I think you need to move on, Mum.
34:41I think you need to let her go.
34:46What do you mean?
34:49I'm saying, Mum,
34:50that you've got two living children.
34:54Have your love now.
34:56Bye, Mum.
35:09Where have you been?
35:11We've been waiting for hours.
35:14I've been waiting.
35:14We'll come and see you.
35:17What?
35:17Through here, love.
35:19Ha-ha, Frank!
35:21It's my birthday today.
35:24And it's the best one I've ever had.
35:27Congratulations.
35:30The bill's gone through, love.
35:32It's gone through the Lord's.
35:33And it's retrospective.
35:35It is true, Anne.
35:40No, but really.
35:42We've done it.
35:44You've done it.
35:46Ha-ha.
35:48Really, it just happened.
35:49Oh, God.
35:52Ha-ha.
35:53Oh, my God, I can't believe it.
35:55It's over.
35:56Oh, no, really.
35:57Ha-ha.
35:58Ha-ha.
35:59Charlie, we did it.
36:01Yeah, you did it.
36:02You did it.
36:02We did it.
36:03Oh, God, it's unpopped.
36:06With what?
36:07Ha-ha.
36:09We did it.
36:11Oh, my God.
36:12Take it, it's only.
36:15My government will continue to make the reduction of crime
36:18and the fear of crime a priority.
36:21The government will be implementing the Criminal Justice Act
36:25to ensure the effective punishment of dangerous and persistent offenders.
36:30It took the High Court only a matter of minutes
36:32to quash the original acquittal of October 1991,
36:36opening the door to today's historic retrial
36:39in the case of Julie Hobbs' murder.
36:42Mrs. Ming, do you think you'll let him off the hook?
36:45What do you mean, let him off the hook?
36:46Well, the judge might decide he's spent long enough in prison.
36:49He's done nearly ten years.
36:51It should be like that.
36:52In deciding your sentence, I have borne in mind your guilty plea,
36:58which has saved Julie Hogg's family and friends
37:01from enduring a further trial.
37:04Before I come to sentence you,
37:06I should like to read an extract from Mrs. Ming's impact statement,
37:11a harrowing and moving account of the harm you have done to the family.
37:16As a family, we are damaged beyond repair
37:22and will never be the same again,
37:25as Julie will never return home.
37:30The love we feel for Julie
37:32means it is we who are serving the life sentence.
37:37Julie's son, Kevin,
37:39has missed out on a mother's love.
37:41He has missed out on a childhood.
37:45All he has left of her are a few photographs.
37:48Notwithstanding your guilty plea,
37:57I have seen no evidence of genuine contrition on your part,
38:03as opposed to evident self-pity
38:05and attempts by you to avoid or minimize
38:10the proper consequences of what you have done.
38:13Those consequences are
38:16that on the count of murder,
38:18you will be imprisoned for life
38:20with a minimum tariff of 17 years.
38:26Take him down.
38:27I just can't believe what's happened today.
38:52I can't believe that we finally got justice
38:53for our daughter.
38:55This is Ming.
38:56This is the first person in Britain
38:58to be convicted of a crime
38:59for which they've previously been acquitted.
39:01It's historic, isn't it?
39:03Yes.
39:04Of course it is, really, yeah.
39:07Sorry, it's not often that I'm speechless.
39:10Your campaign,
39:11it's taken up so much of your life.
39:14What will you do now?
39:16Erm,
39:18well, line dancing, probably.
39:21Anne, I don't think you realize
39:23quite what you've achieved.
39:25Don't be daft.
39:26To overturn one of the most established
39:28legal principles in Western democracy.
39:32People talk about speaking truth to power.
39:35Well, you've made history today.
39:38I just hope he never gets out.
39:40You've ignited a debate around the world.
39:43Every country with double jeopardy laws
39:46has been watching us very closely indeed.
39:48Yeah, mascots, another round of celebration.
39:52It deserves that.
39:52Yes.
39:54Two hands!
39:55Two hands!
39:56Cheers!
39:57Cheers!
39:57Oh
40:10So people do this so
40:13Nothing to be worried about
40:16I'm getting a drink a large one. What do you want? Whatever they've got
40:27I was torn apart
40:29And I'm fading
40:33Deeper in my soul
40:35And I can't so cold
40:37I'm fading away
40:57Its first your heart
40:59Whatever it's coming
41:01... we're trying to live
41:16My little brother
41:18Could you add your heart to your loved ones?
41:22It was too long. I'll go back in a few minutes.
41:37What's wrong?
41:39Is everything okay?
41:41All right, everyone, are we all ready?
41:43We're having a fairer cowboy penis time.
41:46I'm okay.
41:48A five, six, a five, six, seven, six.
41:52I love you.
41:54Yes, it's nice.
41:56Oh, it's nice.
41:56Yeah, is that it?
41:58Let's all go.
41:58Oh, you thought I'd be chucked you up.
42:00Oh, you know, it's all right.
42:01Another town left behind.
42:05The throttle on this old big rig and try to make it up a little time.
42:10If I can drop this load off early, I'll pick another one up tonight.
42:16Make a couple bucks and keep the end of the road.
42:19Just out of sight.
42:21I'm clicking all smiles.
42:24There ain't no reason to kill it.
42:28I'm out tonight.
42:29I'm out tonight.
42:30I'm not getting much.
42:31Come on.
42:31Come on.
42:32Come on.
42:33When I'm moving, everything's alright
42:38And I always keep in the mood
42:43Just as I'm clicking all the miles
42:48There ain't no reason to count
42:50Cause I mean I can find the highway
42:54I don't know what he's doing
43:03I don't know what he's doing
43:33I don't know what he's doing
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