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John and Steve discuss the connections between Russian mysticism, Persian Sufi thought, and the modern New Apostolic Reformation. They explore how figures like Jacob Boehme, Emmanuel Swedenborg, and ancient Persian mystics shaped theological concepts such as angelology and union with the divine. The conversation highlights how mystical and esoteric streams have influenced various Christian movements, from Orthodox traditions to charismatic groups, drawing parallels between historic syncretism and contemporary trends. Along the way, Steve stumbles on a few phrases, restarting his sentences with humor, and both hosts use these light moments to transition into deeper analysis.
The discussion covers major Russian thinkers like Vladimir Solovyev, Alexander Dugin, and Nikolai Berdyaev, examining how their visions of unity, dominion, and eschatology intersect with themes in Western religious movements. They trace historical and ideological links through Henry Corbin’s synthesis of Orthodox and Islamic mysticism, the blending of Illuminism with Neoplatonic thought, and the adaptation of these ideas in modern movements. John and Steve also reflect on how such converging streams can create unstable alliances and influence political and spiritual landscapes worldwide, while cautioning about the dangers of these theological mergers.
00:00 Introduction
01:07 Russian mysticism, Sufism, and Swedenborg’s influence
05:06 Weaponized religion in Russian Orthodoxy and Branhamism
08:12 Vladimir Solovyov and Sophia mysticism
11:03 Ecumenical movements and cult parallels
13:24 Esoteric Nazism and divisions in extremist groups
14:40 Alexander Dugin and Russian political mysticism
16:29 Branham’s prophecy and U.S. as Antichrist
18:07 White supremacists and Russian power connections
18:47 Nikolai Berdyaev and Russian Orthodoxy
21:34 Trump–Putin meeting and religious justifications for conflict
23:52 Dominion thinking and the sacred purge
24:42 Henry Corbin and Shiite Sophiology
27:04 Angelomorphosis and angelic union
28:23 Mahdi expectation and parallels in science fiction
30:27 Cult parallels in sci-fi and modern apostasy
32:18 Corbin uniting Russian Orthodoxy and Islamic mysticism
34:30 The Green Angel, Hermes, and esoteric guides
36:27 William Branham’s greenish angel and light phenomena
38:08 Fedorov’s utopian resurrection and deification
39:38 Joachim of Fiore and the Third Testament
40:46 Tuberosky’s militant church and heavenly union
42:30 Pagan roots of Christian Identity and Latter Rain heresies
43:49 Layers of apostasy foundations
44:56 NAR and Russian Orthodoxy as political weapons
47:28 New Jerusalem parallels in Dowie, Jane Leade, and NAR
49:45 Reflections on personal beliefs and reexamination
50:28 Preview of research into Latter Rain’s influence in Ghana
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Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
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The discussion covers major Russian thinkers like Vladimir Solovyev, Alexander Dugin, and Nikolai Berdyaev, examining how their visions of unity, dominion, and eschatology intersect with themes in Western religious movements. They trace historical and ideological links through Henry Corbin’s synthesis of Orthodox and Islamic mysticism, the blending of Illuminism with Neoplatonic thought, and the adaptation of these ideas in modern movements. John and Steve also reflect on how such converging streams can create unstable alliances and influence political and spiritual landscapes worldwide, while cautioning about the dangers of these theological mergers.
00:00 Introduction
01:07 Russian mysticism, Sufism, and Swedenborg’s influence
05:06 Weaponized religion in Russian Orthodoxy and Branhamism
08:12 Vladimir Solovyov and Sophia mysticism
11:03 Ecumenical movements and cult parallels
13:24 Esoteric Nazism and divisions in extremist groups
14:40 Alexander Dugin and Russian political mysticism
16:29 Branham’s prophecy and U.S. as Antichrist
18:07 White supremacists and Russian power connections
18:47 Nikolai Berdyaev and Russian Orthodoxy
21:34 Trump–Putin meeting and religious justifications for conflict
23:52 Dominion thinking and the sacred purge
24:42 Henry Corbin and Shiite Sophiology
27:04 Angelomorphosis and angelic union
28:23 Mahdi expectation and parallels in science fiction
30:27 Cult parallels in sci-fi and modern apostasy
32:18 Corbin uniting Russian Orthodoxy and Islamic mysticism
34:30 The Green Angel, Hermes, and esoteric guides
36:27 William Branham’s greenish angel and light phenomena
38:08 Fedorov’s utopian resurrection and deification
39:38 Joachim of Fiore and the Third Testament
40:46 Tuberosky’s militant church and heavenly union
42:30 Pagan roots of Christian Identity and Latter Rain heresies
43:49 Layers of apostasy foundations
44:56 NAR and Russian Orthodoxy as political weapons
47:28 New Jerusalem parallels in Dowie, Jane Leade, and NAR
49:45 Reflections on personal beliefs and reexamination
50:28 Preview of research into Latter Rain’s influence in Ghana
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Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
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00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research at william-branham.org.
00:43And with me, I have my co-host and friend, Steve Montgomery, author of The Converging Apostasy and A Quick Outline on Hands-On Eschatology, A Matter of Timing and Agency.
00:54And together, we're discussing the themes of apostasy that is in the New Apostolic Reformation and today also in Russian mysticism.
01:04There are so many wide varieties of topics that we cover, Steve, and the last one we did, Russian mysticism, it threw me a bit off kilter because it's something I've wanted to study and haven't really dived too deeply into it.
01:18But now you're diving even deeper and you're making my brain get some exercise.
01:23So, I thank you for that, but I'm excited today to talk more about the Russian mysticism.
01:28Yeah, good deal, John.
01:30And for you guys that don't know John's skill set, other than being a researcher, he's quite a computer fellow.
01:38And so, I was teasing him that before this one started, you know, I have certain messages on my computer that says, click here, click here, do this, do this.
01:49And I'm thinking, what? And John, I call him up, he says, yeah, do click there, do click there, don't do this, do this.
01:57And it's like a miracle, everything's up and running.
02:00So, thanks to John for that.
02:02To be fair, I use my deliverance ministry on it.
02:05I was praying that the demons would be cast out of your computer.
02:09That is a wonderful introduction to what comes up next.
02:13Yeah, so I was thinking of the circle of apostasy, there's actually probably more than one, and they converge with each other.
02:22But for this podcast, I have when Russian mysticism, Persian mysticism, and the NAR converge.
02:32And so, Persian would be, you know, before the Muslim empire and Muhammad and so on.
02:42So, it goes back to ancient times.
02:45So, as an introduction, I have here that Russian mysticism was influenced by the angelology of Jacob Bohm,
02:56who we probably mentioned several times in relation to Jane Lee, another esotericist.
03:02Also, influential was Persian Sufi mysticism, which I don't think you and I have talked about that.
03:12But Persian Sufi mysticism is another crossroads in what I would think of as apostasy.
03:22And then also the spiritualist Emmanuel Swedenborg.
03:25So, in Russian mysticism, icons are seen as a means of connecting with, essentially, guardian angels.
03:34And this connection between icons and angels is deeply rooted in Neoplatonism.
03:42Okay, and so, we've talked about that and even how Platonism and Neoplatonism have contributed to Jane Lee.
03:52And you can actually hear some of the latter-ring prophets under her influence,
03:57who, frankly, sound as if they've just been studying Neoplatonism and injected into their worldview and their presentation.
04:07Like Hindu mystics, Sufi mystics, and the Neoplatonists, Russian mystics seek, essentially, union with God.
04:18This became less important in the West from about the 12th century.
04:24But not so in Russian mysticism.
04:27This being able to have union with God was still a big thing, and still is in certain sectors.
04:34So, in the 20th century, there was also a return of Valentinian-based sociology.
04:44So, Valentinus would have been the 2nd century Gnostic.
04:48Then you have current things today, like the Wisdom Goddess Movement.
04:54And it's just a modern version of what we're talking about here.
04:59And then, what's interesting to me and, John, your ideas about weaponized religion,
05:10some in the Russian Orthodox Church have used their version of eschatology to justify political and military action,
05:20such as with the war in Ukraine.
05:23As I said before, this was a topic that fascinates me.
05:26And your discussion last time honestly sent me down a path of self-examination.
05:33Because you started talking about the angels and the guardian angels, etc.
05:38You kind of hinted that we were getting into it more today.
05:41And I got to thinking about the way that we believed in Branhamism,
05:46and now comparing that to the way that we believe in the mainstream Christian churches that I've attended,
05:53it gets a little bit odd.
05:55Because we've talked about it before, but William Branham's mentor, Roy Davis,
06:00who was the Klan leader, came and posed as a converted spiritualist.
06:06And there's evidence that William Branham attended the spiritualist camp in Indiana.
06:10And the early versions of his ministry has a high element of spiritualism.
06:16He talks about how he, through the power of his mind, can move bracelets,
06:20and how he can take the head of a child with crossed eyes and look at it and make it come straight without even praying for it.
06:29He's talking about very, very odd things, not what you would hear from a Christian minister.
06:33But take it to the other end of the spectrum.
06:38Whenever somebody dies in these movements,
06:42and some extent, you hear this in mainstream Christianity,
06:45but for instance, you might have a funeral,
06:48and the minister might speak and say,
06:51and her spirit is here now watching us.
06:54Well, how far do you go with that?
06:56In some cases, in Branhamism, the spirit who's watching you,
07:00the spirit of the dead, can become a guardian angel of sorts,
07:04somebody who's actually watching out for you.
07:06And I got to thinking about it.
07:08That's not really scriptural,
07:10but it does match a lot of the pagan religions.
07:13And so then I started re-examining what I believed on people who die,
07:19how you interact with them,
07:20can you interact with them?
07:22And it all goes back to the passages in the Old Testament
07:25where that interaction with the dead spirits is actually pretty evil.
07:29Yeah, I think that's a big line to draw,
07:33which I think I did last time we talked about this,
07:36between Trisha Yearwood recently,
07:43and A.B. Grant in the 80s.
07:45A.B. Grant is saying that there are angels looking out for us.
07:49Okay, well, that's not seeking them out,
07:51attempting to evoke them or draw them down from heaven.
07:55And the more Neoplatonist view pretty much fits with what Trisha Yearwood was singing about,
08:02that she's calling down the angels.
08:05And, of course, you can hear that all over the place in NNR
08:07and in their predecessors, say, like, Lateran folk.
08:12So, one of the big figures in all of this stuff is Vladimir Solovyev.
08:19And he's considered like an ecumenical giant of Christian unity,
08:24apart from, in my view, doctrinal purity.
08:27So, similar to the 17th century mystic Jane Lee,
08:33Solovyev, who lived from 1853 to 1900,
08:38said that Sophia, and he wasn't talking about wisdom,
08:41he's talking about a literal being,
08:44he said that Sophia appeared to him in mystical visions.
08:48Well, this sort of makes sense,
08:50because Solovyev studied Valentinus, Kabbalah,
08:59Paracelsus, and other main, main, oh, and Jacob Borne.
09:04He studied a lot of these fellas,
09:07and they're constantly talking about a figure named Sophia
09:11and her ability to interact with you,
09:14which doesn't fit with what you're talking about, John.
09:18He goes across that line.
09:20And so, he also drew on esoteric sources,
09:23like I said, such as Gnosticism.
09:27Also, something very interesting,
09:29the spiritist John Portage.
09:32Now, why I say interesting is because
09:35Portage was pretty much the mentor of Jane Leed,
09:41and what you're getting is kind of a pipeline
09:44from Jacob Borne to Jane Leed and her mentor.
09:48If you go back before them,
09:51then you have this wide river of essentially,
09:56what I would say, false doctrine.
09:59Esoteric content is coming from Valentinus,
10:04all the way down through to Jane Leed,
10:06and then the fork kind of splits,
10:08and that influence goes on to more like,
10:11you'd say, cultic people,
10:13and there'll be Blavatsky and Bailey
10:15and even Aleister Crowley,
10:19which show this kind of influence.
10:21So, you know,
10:23it's not a great swim you pull to dip your foot into.
10:28Now, but listen to what Solkovich has to say.
10:32He said that it's, quote,
10:34Russia's mission to unite Orthodox,
10:38Catholic, and Protestant Christians.
10:41That's interesting.
10:42You know, a lot of people wouldn't say that
10:43they want to be exclusive,
10:45like we're the ones that have it,
10:46and follow no one else.
10:50But it kind of struck me as I was thinking,
10:53whoever heard that before,
10:54and they go, ah,
10:55if you listen to the NAR prophet Cindy Jacobs,
10:59she says that church growth
11:03calls for the complete unity
11:06of evangelicals,
11:08Charismatics, and Pentecostals.
11:10She happens to have left out Catholics,
11:12but that same idea of joining together forces
11:15that may have previously not been
11:17so interested in working together,
11:20set aside your petty differences.
11:22We hear that cliche all the time.
11:25Oddly enough,
11:26but not to me,
11:27or maybe not to you, John,
11:30this version of ecumenicalism
11:32is also reflected
11:34in the esoteric world
11:36through the New Age writings
11:38of Alice Bailey.
11:41It's funny to me,
11:42because there are so many examples
11:44of how a cult starts,
11:45where everybody's welcome.
11:47Come join me.
11:48Come out of your system
11:49and join my system.
11:50And they all start exactly like this.
11:53In latter rain,
11:54William Branham was the same.
11:55Catholics are welcome.
11:56Baptists are welcome.
11:58We're all one.
11:58Join us.
11:59But there's a fundamental problem with this.
12:03Each one of these groups
12:04that has a different ideology
12:05can never get along
12:07because those ideologies
12:08are so vastly different.
12:10You bring them all together,
12:11and what you have is a mess, right?
12:13And you find that the NAR,
12:16you mentioned Cindy Jacobs.
12:18I know there are others.
12:20They're trying to unite people
12:21with different ideologies
12:23under the same umbrella
12:24so that they can bring in,
12:26essentially, their money.
12:27If you look at it at its core,
12:29that's probably what's going on here.
12:31But nobody's really thinking
12:33from the other side
12:35how all of this plays out.
12:37Once they're joined in,
12:38well, who makes the rules?
12:39Who decides on doctrine?
12:40Who decides whenever something
12:43is anti-biblical or extra-biblical?
12:46Or in the case of the NAR
12:48or Lateran or Charismania,
12:50when is the extra-biblical
12:51to be considered spoken word biblical
12:54or rhema biblical?
12:56You know, they take each one
12:58of these things,
12:59and their core belief system
13:00is so vastly different.
13:02But as a cult is growing,
13:05everybody's welcome,
13:06every ideology's welcome
13:08and we're just going to
13:10let this elephant in the room sit
13:13until somebody else
13:14can deal with all of the chaos.
13:16Yeah, or you can get the elephant
13:17to do tricks for you
13:18at the circus.
13:20Exactly.
13:22It's interesting you bring that up,
13:24John, about the draw everybody in,
13:27the big tent, the circus,
13:30and then there starts to be squabbles
13:32and so on.
13:33Well, I've been working on this book,
13:35which I don't know if you've read it, John.
13:37Let me see if I can.
13:38It's called Black Sun,
13:40Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism,
13:42and the Politics of Identity.
13:45Well, it sounds like it's probably
13:47like, you know,
13:48sensationalist sort of nonsense.
13:52It isn't.
13:52It's by a renowned scholar
13:54named Nicholas Goodrich-Clark.
13:58And one of the things
14:00I was recently reading there
14:01was actually about just what you said.
14:04You had people that were trying
14:06to revive the Nazi Party,
14:07skinheads, etc.,
14:09and the worshippers of Odin,
14:12you know, trying to revive
14:14German pagan beliefs.
14:18And the story that you read,
14:21the discourse that you have
14:23in that book,
14:24goes from so-and-so started this,
14:25and he was with the Nazi Party
14:27in America,
14:28but then he joined with so-and-so,
14:29and they had a splitting of the ways,
14:32and they're just like reforming
14:33and reforming.
14:34Sounds like they can't arrive anywhere.
14:38So, yeah, that's a good point.
14:40Which also leads to the next little segment
14:42I have here is
14:43Alexander Dugan
14:45and the Politics of Russian Mysticism.
14:49So, Dugan had a big,
14:52you know,
14:52he's been called everything
14:54from this to that,
14:56but essentially,
14:57I think it's fair to call him
14:59an esoteric fascist.
15:02And he's pretty tight with Putin.
15:07He's kind of in the back seat nowadays,
15:10but his influence is still felt.
15:13So, similar to the Third Reich
15:15of Nazi Germany,
15:17Dugan said that Moscow
15:19would become the Third Rome.
15:21Dugan also identifies United States
15:24with the Antichrist.
15:27And, interestingly, he says,
15:30this is a direct quote,
15:32I see no reason why Putin
15:34will hesitate to use nuclear weapons
15:37if Russia starts to fail.
15:40Now, he's not talking about fail in general.
15:42I think he's talking about fail in Ukraine.
15:46But this is pretty much
15:48Dugan's basis for what
15:50is essentially homicidal fantasies
15:53in which the whole world
15:55goes down in a blaze of glory.
15:57It brings back weird memories
15:59hearing you talk about this.
16:01I love World War II history
16:03and studying it.
16:05I would often study the Third Reich
16:07and everything that that entailed.
16:09And then, in Branhamism,
16:11you had the third pull.
16:12In Nazism, you had the third wave.
16:15And, interestingly,
16:16in Pentecostalism,
16:17it also now has a third wave.
16:19You have these waves of three
16:21and you wonder,
16:22what is this weird thing?
16:24But you mentioned something here
16:26that's really of interest,
16:28that Dugan believed
16:29that the United States
16:30was the Antichrist.
16:32In Branhamism,
16:33and also what,
16:35I would say that there are
16:36certain pillars of the NAR
16:37that believe this as well.
16:39They believe that the Antichrist
16:41will come out of the United States
16:43because that was one of
16:45Branham's twisted predictions.
16:47It was actually a political prediction
16:49that he invented much later
16:51in his ministry,
16:52but in the later years,
16:54he claimed that way back in 1933,
16:56he had this alleged prophecy
16:58that the Pope would come out
17:01of the United States.
17:02What's interesting is,
17:03now that we do have a Pope
17:05that is out of the United States,
17:07the message community
17:08is going berserk
17:09because they think,
17:10well, this is it.
17:10This is the Antichrist.
17:12This is the end of days.
17:13So, in a weird way,
17:14they tied together.
17:15But, where it gets problematic
17:18when you're thinking
17:19converging apostasy,
17:21as all of these ebbs and flows
17:23of the apostasy
17:24seem to creep into other movements,
17:26you have the NAR
17:27with those branches
17:28that do believe
17:30William Branham to be a prophet.
17:32And they're seeing
17:33this weird prophecy.
17:35The moment that they come in contact
17:36with that Russian mysticism theme,
17:40they're going to believe
17:41that elements of that
17:42are actually somewhat divine.
17:45And so, they give more credence
17:47to whoever's speaking
17:48than had they never heard this before.
17:51So, as this all is weaving together,
17:53it weaves into this weird mess
17:54that's really difficult
17:55to even untangle.
17:57Yeah.
17:57The part about that
17:58weaving together
17:59is, you know,
18:01people like Richard Spencer,
18:06just basically white supremacists,
18:09have, in the last 10, 15 years,
18:11had this connection
18:14that Russia is no longer
18:15the evil empire over there
18:18that we're opposed to,
18:20the communists,
18:21but actually it's a bastion
18:23of white power
18:24and we will somehow
18:25work together with them.
18:27And, you know,
18:27that kind of ebbs and flows
18:28depending on what's happening
18:30in American and Russian politics.
18:33But, basically,
18:36there is
18:36an undercurrent
18:40of what you're talking about
18:41is what I've seen also.
18:43So,
18:44another thing
18:45that I came up with
18:46was,
18:47I ran across
18:48this name
18:48Nikolai Berdyov
18:50in Russian mysticism.
18:53Okay.
18:54Berdyov happens
18:55to be another person
18:57who Putin
18:58really favors.
19:00He thinks he's great.
19:01So, to me,
19:02this becomes another fork
19:03in the road of apostasy.
19:05So, Berdyov lived
19:06from 1874
19:08to 1948.
19:11So, what did he believe?
19:14We see a little bit
19:15about this,
19:15a condensed version
19:16in his so-called
19:18The Truth of Orthodoxy.
19:21And it's kind of meaning
19:22Russian mysticism
19:23out of one side
19:25of his mouth
19:26and Russian orthodoxy
19:28on the other side.
19:29So, in this,
19:30Berdyov
19:31essentially shows
19:32his version
19:33of what I always call
19:34hands-on eschatology,
19:36meaning
19:37God should be in control
19:38at the end of times.
19:40However,
19:41a lot of folks
19:42that we're
19:42keeping track of
19:44disagree.
19:45They think that
19:47they're going to be
19:47ones to turn the tide.
19:50So,
19:50sounding like the NARP,
19:52Berdyov said,
19:54quote,
19:54unlike Catholicism
19:56and Protestantism,
19:58Russian orthodoxy's
20:00eschatological
20:01anticipation
20:02of an outpouring
20:05of the Holy Spirit
20:06will result
20:07in the transfiguration
20:09of the world.
20:10So,
20:10that eschatology
20:12is not exactly
20:13what a lot
20:15of other folks
20:16would say,
20:16you know,
20:16like what he says,
20:19Protestants
20:20and Catholics
20:21would normally
20:22not agree.
20:23However,
20:24the NARP would
20:25in a lot of ways.
20:27So,
20:27in agreement
20:28with this other fellow,
20:29Solovyev,
20:30Berdyov said,
20:32quote,
20:33Russian orthodoxy's
20:35more pure
20:36form of Christianity
20:37is a good basis
20:39for unity.
20:40Yeah,
20:41let's have unity,
20:42but let's do it
20:42my way.
20:44And so,
20:45yeah,
20:45that's pretty
20:45hypocritical.
20:46And I think
20:47of that
20:48as like
20:48the avaricious
20:49Nardom,
20:51which seeks
20:51to pull in
20:52all Christians
20:53under its
20:54elite rulership.
20:56And according
20:57to Berdyov,
20:59Russian orthodoxy
21:01promotes
21:01universal salvation
21:03and the
21:04deification
21:05of both
21:05man and
21:06the cosmos.
21:07Well,
21:08now you're getting
21:08into some
21:09esoteric territory
21:10and you're getting
21:11into some areas
21:12maybe like
21:13Origen
21:14and other
21:15theologians
21:16that were
21:16very,
21:17very controversial
21:18in these
21:18sorts of
21:19manners.
21:20Also,
21:21like Jane Lee,
21:22Berdyov
21:23believed in
21:24the possibility
21:25of salvation
21:26for those
21:27who died
21:28in a state
21:28of sin.
21:29So here's
21:30where it gets
21:30really scary
21:30for me.
21:31And the irony
21:32is that today
21:33while we're
21:33recording this,
21:34even though it
21:34will come out
21:35much later,
21:36President Trump
21:36is meeting
21:37with President
21:38Putin and
21:38the whole world
21:39is watching
21:39this thing.
21:41Most people
21:42who are Americans
21:43are watching
21:43this in
21:44terror,
21:45those who are
21:45not in the
21:46MAGA crowd
21:47because they're
21:48seeing President
21:49Putin who has
21:50just been
21:51bombarding Ukraine
21:52for no apparent
21:53reason other than
21:54what appears to
21:55be a land grab
21:56and the fact
21:58that President
21:59Trump is
21:59entertaining it.
22:00A lot of people
22:01are really skeptical
22:02of this meeting
22:03and why was not
22:04the leader of
22:06Ukraine,
22:06the one who's
22:07being attacked,
22:08why is he not
22:08into this forum?
22:09So while the
22:10world is thinking
22:11that,
22:12now you have
22:13this weird
22:13foundation where
22:14the people
22:16who are
22:16influenced by
22:17Branhamism and
22:18apparently these
22:19streams that
22:19you're mentioning,
22:20it's not so
22:22bad that you
22:23do this.
22:23If it's for
22:24the end,
22:25the ends
22:26justifies the
22:26means basically.
22:27If I can
22:28conquer the
22:28world,
22:29repurpose the
22:30world to my
22:30own utopia,
22:32then it's a
22:33good thing.
22:33There will be
22:34some growing
22:34pains when we
22:35get there.
22:35Many, many
22:36people will die
22:37while we get
22:37there, but the
22:38end result is we
22:39will end in
22:40utopia.
22:41And if you
22:42really look at
22:42its core, I
22:44know that
22:44Branham did
22:45not teach that
22:46we should invade
22:47countries and
22:48this sort of
22:48thing, but what
22:49he did teach
22:50laid the
22:51foundation for
22:52what we see
22:53in this, in
22:53that the
22:55path to its
22:56logical conclusion
22:57as people in
22:59the NAR are
22:59starting to
23:00make, if the
23:01Antichrist is
23:01coming out of
23:02Russia and
23:03this whole world
23:04is going to be
23:05repurposed for
23:06our domain, for
23:08our dominion,
23:08somehow we have
23:10to achieve that
23:10dominion and
23:11there will be a
23:12time where there
23:12is a battle and
23:13many people will
23:13die, and this
23:15is a good thing.
23:15It is a good
23:16thing that people
23:17will die.
23:18That's where it
23:18gets really scary
23:19because in a
23:21normal church
23:22that's not part of
23:23this movement, not
23:23part of this cult,
23:25you would never
23:25think this way.
23:26This is horrific
23:27that you think
23:28this way.
23:29And you look
23:30back into the
23:3160s, you look
23:32at the white
23:32supremacists, the
23:33things that they
23:33were teaching in
23:34Christian identity,
23:36and you can
23:37expect somebody
23:37who's domestic
23:39terrorist, or
23:40even actual
23:41terrorist, global
23:42terrorist, to
23:43think this way.
23:44But now we're
23:44talking about
23:45Christianity, thinking
23:46like terrorists, and
23:48it's horrifying when
23:49you think about it.
23:50Yeah, that reminds
23:51me of the time that
23:53I talked to Bill
23:54Britton's daughter,
23:56Becky, and she
23:58was telling me that
23:59she felt like,
24:01oh no, my dad
24:02never taught
24:02anything about what
24:03I call the
24:04sacred purge, or
24:06taking dominion.
24:07And she says he
24:07was just trying
24:08to preach the
24:09higher spiritual
24:10life of
24:11sonship, and so
24:13I made a few
24:14quotes from his
24:15books and told
24:16her that I had
24:17interviewed a
24:18couple of
24:18associate pastors
24:19at Bill
24:20Britton's House
24:21of Prayer
24:22Church, and
24:24she was really
24:26taken aback, and
24:27she said, well,
24:28the only people
24:29that could think
24:30like that would
24:30be dictators.
24:31So I said, yeah,
24:33you know, it's
24:33pretty spooky
24:34stuff, and
24:35dictators talk
24:36that way.
24:38So I actually
24:39ran into a new
24:40name for me in
24:42this search, and
24:44his name is
24:45Henry Corbyn, and
24:47he was French, so
24:48I think it's
24:49Henri, forget it,
24:51I don't know what
24:51to say about his
24:52last name, and
24:54his connection
24:55with Russian
24:56mysticism.
24:57So Corbyn was a
24:59true scholar, I
25:00forgot how many
25:01languages he could
25:02speak and write
25:03in, it was
25:04very, very well
25:05read, but he
25:07kind of got the
25:08mystic bug, and
25:10where did he get
25:11that?
25:11Well, he got it
25:12from this fellow
25:13Nikolai Berdyov,
25:15the Russian
25:16mystic.
25:17Corbyn lived
25:18from 1903 to
25:191978, so the
25:22Russian mystic
25:23Sergius
25:25Volgakov, which
25:27was 1871 to
25:281944, also
25:31influenced Corbyn.
25:33From this
25:34influence and his
25:35studies of Persian
25:36mysticism, Corbyn
25:38developed what he
25:39called Shiite
25:40Sofiology.
25:42Now, Sofiology has
25:43mostly been seen
25:45as a Russian
25:46movement in
25:48the late
25:491800s, early
25:501900s, so
25:52this connection
25:53where it's
25:54already a
25:55conversion, he's
25:55taking Shiite
25:56concepts from
25:58Persia, and
26:00that goes into
26:01Sufism, which
26:03is therefore
26:03a mystic
26:04practices, and
26:07connecting it to
26:08what's more
26:09essentially a
26:10Russian phenomenon.
26:12So I kind of
26:15wrapped it up
26:15like this with
26:16him, I said
26:16Corbyn in a
26:17nutshell, and
26:19this is, if I
26:21could highlight
26:22this and put it
26:23in bold red
26:25ink, I think
26:27you would hear
26:28where this
26:28connects with
26:29an awful
26:29lot of
26:30previously
26:31discussed
26:32forms of
26:34mysticism, and
26:35even downright
26:37occultism.
26:38So Corbyn said,
26:40quote, the
26:41celestial
26:41hierarchies of
26:43the great
26:43Neoplatonist
26:44Proclus, as
26:46well as those
26:47of Valentinian
26:49Gnosis, and
26:50Islamic Gnosis,
26:52lead to
26:54Angelomorphosis,
26:56a.k.a.
26:58union with
26:59one's angelic
27:00heavenly
27:01counterpoint.
27:02That's what he
27:03said.
27:04So there again,
27:04yeah, that does
27:05go into the
27:06thing that you
27:07were thinking
27:08that we might
27:09get into, and
27:10so I would love
27:12to avoid this
27:12topic, but it
27:13shows up again
27:14and again and
27:15again.
27:16Anytime there's
27:17some kind of
27:17idea about
27:18becoming perfected,
27:20set apart, the
27:21elite, or even
27:23for some folks,
27:24immortal and
27:25divine, the
27:28angels quite
27:29often get
27:29shuffled into
27:30that conversation.
27:33So Corbyn was
27:34introduced to
27:34another core
27:35belief for
27:37many Persian,
27:38Shia, and
27:40it's similar to
27:40what the New
27:41Age writer,
27:42Alice Bay,
27:42this idea
27:43said about
27:45the reappearance
27:46of the
27:46Christ, and
27:48what he learned
27:49about is called
27:50the reappearance
27:51of the
27:52hidden
27:52imam.
27:54The hidden
27:54imam is
27:56essentially a
27:56messianic
27:57figure in
27:59eschatology,
28:01pretty much
28:02Persian
28:02eschatology,
28:04who is to
28:05eventually return
28:06as a
28:07savior called
28:09the
28:10Mahdi.
28:12So this
28:13makes the
28:13goal of
28:14Shia
28:14theosophy
28:15to be the
28:17divinization
28:18of the
28:19believer
28:19and
28:21preparations
28:21for the
28:22advent of
28:23the savior
28:24Mahdi.
28:26Oddly enough,
28:27when I was
28:28reading that,
28:28I said,
28:29hmm, I
28:30know you
28:30like science
28:30fiction,
28:31John.
28:32I remember
28:33it, I
28:33think in
28:34junior high,
28:34I read
28:35Frank Herbert's
28:37The Dune
28:37Trilogy.
28:38Okay, so
28:39and now we
28:40have the
28:41movies,
28:41part one
28:42and part
28:43two, and
28:43then it's
28:43projected part
28:44three will
28:45come out
28:45sometime in
28:462026.
28:48But the
28:49interesting
28:49part of
28:50this is
28:51the central
28:52character of
28:54Dune is
28:55Paul Atreides
28:56and he
28:57becomes the
28:58Mahdi to
28:59the desert
29:00dwelling
29:01Fremen.
29:02It's just
29:02like the
29:03Matrix.
29:03Many good
29:04stories are
29:05built on
29:06the same
29:06exact themes
29:07that we're
29:08talking about,
29:08the cults
29:09and the
29:09world of
29:10cults.
29:12I think I
29:12told you
29:13this, I
29:13was working
29:14with Dr.
29:14Stephen
29:14Hassan and
29:15he told
29:15me that he
29:16was taking
29:17part in
29:18developing
29:19the concept
29:19for the
29:20Star Trek
29:20Borg.
29:21Because the
29:22Borg, you
29:23think of the
29:24Hive Queen,
29:25it's very much
29:25like the cult
29:26leader, the
29:26central figure.
29:27Each of the
29:28people who are
29:29in the Borg
29:30network, as
29:31soon as they
29:31get disconnected
29:32from that
29:32network, they
29:33keep trying to
29:34plug back in
29:34and they're
29:35just totally
29:36disoriented when
29:36they are
29:37unplugged.
29:38So many
29:39themes are
29:40based off of
29:41the cult
29:41aspects.
29:42I sometimes
29:44wonder if
29:46not all of
29:46the great
29:47science fiction
29:48authors that
29:49I've read
29:49had some
29:50sort of
29:51bad experience
29:53with religion
29:54because their
29:55themes usually
29:56are the
29:57religious good
29:57guys versus
29:58the religious
29:58bad guys or
29:59the cult
29:59leaders.
30:01Dune is one
30:02of those.
30:02It is one of
30:03my favorite
30:03movies.
30:04But back
30:05to what we're
30:06talking about
30:06here, again,
30:09it's really
30:09scary because if
30:10you think in
30:11terms of the
30:12worst that the
30:13sci-fi authors
30:14can create, and
30:16then compare that
30:16to what we have
30:17today, it's as
30:18though what is
30:19being written as
30:20science fiction is
30:21playing out in
30:22our world.
30:23And it's all
30:23because of this
30:24converging apostasy.
30:26Have you ever
30:27wondered how the
30:27Pentecostal movement
30:28started, or how
30:30the progression of
30:30modern Pentecostalism
30:32transitioned through
30:33the latter reign,
30:34charismatic, and
30:35other fringe
30:36movements into the
30:37new apostolic
30:38reformation?
30:39You can learn
30:40this and more
30:41on William Branham
30:42Historical Research's
30:43website,
30:44william-branham.org.
30:46On the books page
30:47of the website, you
30:49can find the
30:49compiled research of
30:51John Collins, Charles
30:52Paisley, Stephen
30:53Montgomery, John
30:54McKinnon, and others,
30:56with links to the
30:57paper, audio, and
30:58digital versions of
30:59each book.
31:01You can also find
31:02resources and
31:02documentation on
31:04various people and
31:05topics related to
31:06those movements.
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31:24There's a fellow who
31:26wrote the book,
31:29what do you call
31:30it, the Adjustment
31:32Bureau, something
31:34like that.
31:35And it's purely
31:36based on the
31:39influence of
31:40theosophical society
31:42and the notion
31:43that there are
31:44ascended masters,
31:47you know, kind of
31:47leading this and
31:48guiding this and
31:49revealing revelations
31:53to prepare for
31:54our encounter
31:56with the
31:57Christ.
31:58So, yeah, and
31:59then another guy
32:00came up who I'd
32:00never heard of,
32:02and that's
32:04Shihab
32:05Surawardi
32:06and Jacob
32:08Bohm, who I've
32:09heard of quite a
32:10bit.
32:10And these both
32:11became backdrops
32:13for Corbyn's
32:14thought.
32:15So, here's where
32:17it comes down to
32:17convergence.
32:18Corbyn wanted to
32:19unite Russian
32:20orthodoxy and
32:22mysticism with
32:24Islamic mysticism.
32:26That's kind of a
32:27tall order, but
32:27in 1939, he
32:31moved to
32:31Istanbul and
32:32studied the
32:33works of the
32:33Iranian mystic
32:35Surawardi.
32:37Now, that goes
32:38back a long
32:39way because he
32:39lived in
32:401155 to
32:411191.
32:44And
32:45Surawardi was
32:47the founder of
32:48a sect or
32:49a philosophy
32:50called
32:50Illuminism,
32:52which was
32:53based almost
32:54entirely on
32:55Neoplatonic
32:57theurgy.
32:57And, of
32:58course, the
32:58theurgy is the
32:59drawing down
33:00of spirits and
33:01you can command
33:02them, they can
33:02give you insights
33:03and whatever you
33:04want to do with
33:05them, I suppose.
33:07He said that
33:08those illuminated
33:09by these
33:10lights of
33:11light are
33:12to become the
33:12rulers of the
33:13universe.
33:14and whatever
33:15these elite
33:16command will
33:17be obeyed.
33:18Well, we're
33:19talking about
33:19stuff, you
33:20know, back
33:20in the 1100s,
33:22and yet that
33:23kind of blows
33:24off the tongue
33:25like what I
33:26hear Nar
33:27prophets talk
33:28about, you
33:29know, commanding
33:30angels to do
33:31this and that
33:32and so on.
33:35Both Surawardi
33:36and Bohm
33:37blended
33:38spiritual
33:39traditions.
33:41In
33:42Surawardi's
33:43case, that
33:44was the
33:44mixing of
33:45Platonism and
33:47Iranian Sufi
33:49mysticism of
33:50the 10th
33:50century.
33:52In Bohm's
33:52case, he
33:53drew upon
33:54alchemy,
33:55Kabbalah, and
33:56the writings of
33:57Paris Salsis.
33:59Both of
34:00their syncretic
34:02mythologies
34:03highly influenced
34:05Corbyn.
34:06So, here's a
34:07way that this
34:09kind of panned
34:09out.
34:10Corbyn said
34:11that if the
34:12spiritual seeker
34:13is having
34:14trouble uniting
34:15with their
34:16so-called
34:16celestial
34:17partner,
34:18then Al
34:20Kherdi,
34:22aka the
34:22green angel,
34:24yes, that's
34:25what he called
34:26it, would
34:27act as a
34:28spirit guide to
34:29assist them.
34:30With this
34:30help, you
34:31could become
34:32connected to
34:33the godlike
34:33characters, and
34:34you already
34:35mentioned it,
34:35John, of
34:36Corbyn's
34:37multiverse.
34:38Okay, who
34:39are those
34:39characters?
34:40Well, one
34:42of them that
34:42can guide you
34:43into all
34:43truth is
34:45Hermes
34:46Trist
34:46Megistus, who
34:48supposedly coined
34:49the very
34:50famous occultic
34:51phrase, as
34:52above, so
34:53also below.
34:55Samael, the
34:56demonic
34:56seducer, who
34:58in the occult
34:58world is
35:00favorably
35:01associated with
35:02Lucifer, and
35:04also in the
35:05occult world,
35:05esoteric
35:06Christianity, you
35:09get the
35:09Lucifer-like
35:10Sophia of
35:11Valentinian
35:12Gnosticism.
35:13I tell you, this
35:14episode has got
35:15my head going all
35:16kinds of different
35:16directions.
35:17You're talking
35:17about Dune and
35:18hijack my
35:19thoughts.
35:19I was thinking
35:20about Dune while
35:20you were talking
35:21and totally
35:21missed.
35:22And then you
35:23said lights of
35:23light or something
35:25like this.
35:26There's a cartoon
35:26from the, I
35:28think it's the
35:2880s, where this
35:29guy wielding a
35:31sword says,
35:31lords of light,
35:32and starts fighting
35:33the bad guys.
35:34Well, what's
35:36funny is, as my
35:37mind was hijacked
35:38there, then you
35:39pulled it back by
35:40talking about the
35:41color, the green
35:42angel, and that
35:43green spirit, because
35:45this is something
35:47that I never
35:47understood when I
35:49was in
35:49Branhamism.
35:50Then after I
35:50left, it makes
35:52even less sense.
35:53And I don't know
35:53what really to make
35:54of it, other than
35:55maybe it is coming
35:57from this flow of
35:58this converging
35:59apostasy.
36:00But William
36:01Branham, when he
36:02would talk about
36:03the spirit that
36:04came near to
36:05him when he
36:05was doing his
36:06alleged healing,
36:08and as you
36:09know, he claimed
36:10this to be the
36:11presence of an
36:12angel.
36:13And we also
36:14know that in
36:15IHOP KC, Bob
36:16Jones, Todd
36:19Bentley, many of
36:20these other guys,
36:21they claim that
36:21they have Branham's
36:22angel.
36:23Well, Branham
36:23claimed that his
36:24angel was a
36:26greenish color.
36:27There was this
36:28greenish glow that
36:29would come when the
36:30presence come here.
36:31But what's odd
36:32about it is he
36:34would always say
36:35and then that
36:36amber light comes
36:37through, that
36:38yellow greenish
36:39light comes
36:39through.
36:41When I was in
36:41the cult, I was
36:42like, well, don't
36:44you know, amber is
36:45not a greenish
36:46color.
36:46It's more of a
36:47reddish, orangeish
36:48color.
36:49But he would always
36:50say that, and you
36:50can look it up.
36:51For whatever reason
36:52he's saying this,
36:53but he, regardless
36:55of the color he
36:56incorrectly names
36:57it, he always
36:57describes it as this
36:58greenish glow that
37:00was in his
37:00presence.
37:01I don't know of a
37:02single person who
37:03ever witnessed the
37:04greenish glow.
37:05I do know people
37:06that claim that they
37:07saw a light or some
37:08strange thing.
37:09And oddly, the
37:11light that they
37:11describe was more
37:13the amber colored
37:14light, so you can
37:15tell it's kind of
37:16subliminally in their
37:17head.
37:18But the greenish, the
37:19green one, I've
37:20never met anybody who
37:21yet has been this
37:22presence.
37:23So we have listeners
37:24who believe that
37:25William Branham was
37:25truly tapping into
37:27demonology to do what
37:28he did.
37:29I believe he was a
37:30con artist and he
37:31was just playing with
37:32their minds.
37:33If you lean towards
37:34the, he's working
37:36with the demon, well
37:37now you've got this
37:38weird greenish color
37:39demon that's on the
37:40platform with him.
37:41Yeah, and as you're
37:42saying that, myself
37:43being a musician, I'm
37:46thinking, well what
37:47about Purple Haze?
37:49You know, it's like
37:49Jenny Hingrich would
37:50have about it.
37:51And I'm not promoting
37:52his lifestyler's music
37:54per se, but yeah,
37:56like what's, or like
37:57Purple Rain from
37:59Prince.
38:00I began to see
38:01something and I
38:02thought, well,
38:03apostasy converges, but
38:06it also metastasizes.
38:09Okay, so yeah, the
38:10idea of like a cancer.
38:12So like Nikolai
38:14Fedorov, the founder
38:16of Russian cosmism,
38:18that was in 1827
38:20through 1903, Corbyn
38:23also called for a
38:24utopian collective
38:26action.
38:28So he's not
38:29leaving it in the
38:29hands of God or
38:30some spiritual forces.
38:31He's saying, let's
38:32get this done.
38:34And why did he
38:35want to do this?
38:36Because he wanted
38:38to, quote,
38:39resurrect the dead
38:40and then be able to
38:42achieve self-deification.
38:44That theme actually
38:46has come through
38:47Alexander Dugan.
38:49And he also
38:50talks about bringing
38:51back the, it's
38:53like the ancestor
38:54worship almost.
38:55It's like a pagan
38:56ancestor worship.
38:58And they will be the
38:59ones that are the
38:59spearhead of carrying
39:01out the judgment
39:02day.
39:02So like the
39:05NAR and
39:06Sargius
39:07Bolgakov,
39:09Fedorov
39:10emphasized
39:10bypassing all
39:12dogmatic
39:13divisions
39:14through a
39:15shared
39:15eschatology.
39:17So there's
39:18where, if
39:19there's any
39:19hope, or
39:20it's not a
39:21good hope, but
39:21if there's any
39:22hope these
39:23guys can count
39:24on of working
39:25together, it's
39:27okay, you guys
39:27believe that,
39:28that's not that
39:29important, but
39:30yeah, we're going
39:30to take over and
39:31we're going to
39:32get rid of all
39:33these liberals
39:34and others that
39:35are, and the
39:36Jews and so
39:37on.
39:38So another
39:39person who
39:40influenced Corbyn
39:41was Joachim
39:43of Fiore.
39:44He lived
39:45from 1135
39:47to 1202.
39:49There could
39:50be a long
39:51discussion about
39:51him, but I
39:52mentioned him
39:53one or two
39:53times before.
39:55But he
39:56influenced Corbyn
39:57by promoting a
39:58new era of
39:59the Holy Spirit,
40:00a.k.a.
40:01Christianity of
40:03the Third
40:04Testament.
40:05He said the
40:06first one was
40:07the Father, the
40:08second one was
40:09the Son.
40:10The third
40:11era of the
40:14Christian church
40:14will be the
40:15Holy Spirit, and
40:16it will do
40:17everything that
40:17the manifest
40:18sons of God
40:19later were to
40:20say.
40:21So, oddly
40:23enough, he
40:24also influenced
40:25in some
40:26interesting ways
40:27Christopher Columbus,
40:28Jesus, and
40:30he influenced
40:31most definitely
40:32the ideas of
40:33the Third
40:34Reich, you
40:34know, the
40:35Third Testament,
40:36although he
40:37wasn't, as
40:38far as to
40:38know, a
40:39racist and
40:39didn't hate
40:40Jews.
40:42Like Jane
40:43Leed, this
40:45is one I
40:46would maybe
40:47present this to
40:47you later to
40:48maybe do some
40:50co-research on
40:51this follow-up.
40:52Alexander
40:53Tuborowski
40:54said that all
40:55sinners and
40:56non-Christians
40:57will be made
40:58spiritual,
40:59incorruptible,
41:00and therefore
41:01glorious.
41:02Like Jane
41:03Leed, and
41:04those she
41:04influenced in
41:05the latter
41:05reign,
41:07Tuborowski
41:07also said
41:09that the
41:09church on
41:10earth, the
41:11militant
41:12church, will
41:13merge with
41:14the heavenly
41:15church.
41:16That is
41:17almost, well,
41:18it's not a
41:18direct quotation,
41:19but it is
41:21stated in such
41:22a familiar
41:22way that you
41:23hear from
41:23Bill Britton
41:24Roll-Kronquist
41:25in the
41:26latter reign,
41:27and also
41:28from Jane
41:29Leed.
41:29She specifically
41:30says things
41:31like this, and
41:31you hear things
41:32pretty close to
41:34that in
41:34the north.
41:36So, similar
41:36to Alexander
41:37Dugan,
41:39Tuborowski
41:39also compared
41:40Russia's great
41:42patriotic war
41:43in Ukraine to
41:45the passion of
41:45Christ.
41:46I would say
41:47one of those
41:48two elements is
41:49being insulted
41:50and blasphemed.
41:51And that
41:52further proves
41:52the idea that
41:53I'm having
41:54forming in
41:55my mind as
41:56I begin to
41:56research all
41:57of this,
41:58many of the
41:58ideas that
41:59we had in
41:59Christian identity
42:00that were
42:01developed into
42:03the latter reign
42:03movement,
42:04specifically what
42:05William Branham
42:06was introducing
42:06into the
42:07latter reign
42:07movement.
42:08And then you
42:09see some of
42:10the leaders of
42:10latter reign
42:11taking on
42:12the very
42:12militant,
42:13some of
42:13them outright
42:14race war
42:15themes,
42:15some of
42:16them the
42:16militant
42:17church and
42:18combining with
42:19their celestial
42:20bodies,
42:22bodies,
42:22marrying with
42:23their heavenly
42:24bodies,
42:24all this weird
42:25stuff.
42:26It did not
42:28originate with
42:29Christian identity.
42:30And Christian
42:30identity obviously
42:31borrowed largely
42:33from British
42:33Israelism.
42:35But woven
42:35through this
42:36were all of
42:36these external,
42:38I don't even
42:39know what you
42:39call it other
42:40than heresy,
42:41all of these
42:41different ideas
42:42that really
42:43came from
42:43pagan roots.
42:45And those
42:45pagan roots
42:46influenced people
42:47who were
42:47respected in
42:49their,
42:49whatever was
42:50their area
42:51at the
42:51time.
42:52And other
42:53people built
42:54doctrines upon
42:54those as
42:55though they
42:55were true
42:57and sound
42:57and biblical
42:58and called
42:59it Christianity.
43:00So you had
43:00all of these
43:01different varying
43:02disparate groups
43:04of pseudo-Christian
43:05beliefs that
43:08started to
43:09merge and
43:09form into
43:10the foundations
43:12for what we
43:12see developing
43:13in today's
43:14world.
43:15And that's
43:16why some
43:16of the
43:16aspects seem
43:17very primitive
43:18when you look
43:19at it.
43:19You think
43:19Christian identity
43:21for example,
43:21talking about
43:22the mud people,
43:23that sounds
43:23like something
43:24that you would
43:24see as a
43:25child in a
43:25cartoon,
43:26not something
43:26that an
43:27adult would
43:27say behind
43:28the pulpit
43:28in a
43:29church.
43:29But yet
43:30there were
43:30people saying
43:31this kind
43:31of thing.
43:32It's because
43:33it came
43:33from very
43:34primitive
43:34pagan roots
43:36and it
43:37starts flowing
43:37into the
43:38church world
43:38today.
43:39Sadly,
43:40those foundations
43:41were laid
43:41and it's
43:42layers upon
43:43layers upon
43:43layers of
43:44foundations.
43:45So many of
43:46the ideas
43:46today come
43:47from the
43:47same roots.
43:48Yeah,
43:49and the
43:50kind of roots
43:50that we
43:50hear in
43:51scripture
43:51will be
43:53chopped
43:53out because
43:54they're not
43:54doing this
43:55they ought
43:55to.
43:56Well,
43:56finally,
43:58I'd like to
43:58give a
43:59shout out
44:00to Laura
44:01at Magical
44:02Mystery Church.
44:04She's been
44:04taking segments
44:05of my
44:06converging
44:08apostasy
44:09and some
44:10of the
44:10themes,
44:11things that
44:12I've written
44:13about,
44:14and she's
44:14reading through
44:15them and
44:15giving explanation.
44:17I think
44:18she does
44:18a good
44:18job and
44:19she has
44:19an interesting
44:20way of
44:21presenting
44:21things,
44:22John.
44:22She's got
44:23a sense
44:23of humor.
44:24So this
44:25next segment
44:26I'd call
44:26it,
44:27and now
44:27for something
44:28completely
44:29expected.
44:30So it
44:31sounds almost
44:32like what
44:32you'd hear
44:33from Monty
44:33Python,
44:34but reversed.
44:36So I
44:36found this
44:37document and
44:39I said,
44:39oh yeah,
44:40now we're
44:40getting
44:41somewhere.
44:42This is
44:43an article.
44:44I couldn't
44:44find the
44:45date of
44:45it because
44:46it was
44:47translated
44:47from Russian
44:48and they
44:49didn't
44:49decide to
44:50put that
44:50in there.
44:51But in
44:51English,
44:52the title
44:52is The
44:54New
44:54Apostolic
44:55Reformation
44:56and Russian
44:58Orthodoxy
45:00as a
45:02Political
45:03Weapon,
45:04How the
45:05New
45:06U.S.
45:06Government
45:07Aligned
45:08with Russia
45:08on the
45:09Basis of
45:10Religious
45:10Fundamentalism.
45:11This is by
45:12Mariana
45:13Bezula.
45:15And I
45:16think if
45:16you did
45:17a search
45:18on that
45:18one,
45:19it comes
45:20up in
45:21her
45:21ex,
45:22used to
45:23be
45:23Tik Tok,
45:24I forgot,
45:25I'll never
45:25use all
45:25that stuff.
45:27But you'll
45:28find it.
45:29And she
45:30says some
45:31obvious stuff,
45:31but it's good
45:32that she's
45:32noticing.
45:33She says
45:34there are
45:34ideological
45:35parallels between
45:36the NAR and
45:37so-called
45:38Putin's
45:39orthodoxy.
45:40In the NAR,
45:41she says
45:42Trump is
45:43God's
45:43chosen one
45:44fighting
45:45against
45:45satanic
45:46globalists.
45:47In Russia,
45:48Putin is
45:49the so-called
45:49anointed
45:50one of
45:51God,
45:52battling
45:52decadent
45:54Western
45:55liberalism.
45:56Now that's
45:57where you're
45:57getting right
45:58up the
45:58alley of
45:59Alexander
46:00Dugan.
46:01Then she
46:02says,
46:03both the
46:04NAR and
46:04Putin's
46:05orthodoxy
46:06use religion
46:07as a
46:08tool for
46:09political
46:09mobilization
46:10and aim
46:12at replacing
46:12democracy
46:13with
46:14theocracy.
46:15John,
46:16I think
46:16you're
46:17going,
46:18yeah,
46:18yeah,
46:19heard that
46:19one before.
46:20In the
46:21U.S.,
46:22they have
46:23apostles and
46:24prophets.
46:25And she
46:26says that
46:26in Russia
46:27they have
46:27a so-called
46:28Tsar
46:29Putin.
46:30But the
46:31goal of
46:31both is
46:32the same.
46:34It is to
46:34create a
46:35world where
46:35power is
46:36concentrated
46:37in the
46:37hands of
46:38righteous
46:39religious
46:39leaders.
46:41She states
46:41that
46:42dominionism
46:42is building
46:44God's
46:44kingdom by
46:45taking
46:45control of
46:46the seven
46:46mountains.
46:48In Russia,
46:49dominionism is
46:50manifested in
46:51the concept
46:52of, quote,
46:54holy
46:54Rus.
46:56Okay, so I
46:57had to look
46:58that one up,
46:58but that was
46:58easy enough.
47:00The idea of
47:00holy Rus appeared
47:02in the ninth
47:02century.
47:04It basically
47:05said, in
47:06those days,
47:06and presently
47:07too, that
47:09Russia has
47:10been chosen
47:10by God
47:11and enlightened
47:13by Eastern
47:14Orthodox
47:15Christianity.
47:17The holy
47:18Rus makes
47:18Russia the
47:19spiritual center
47:20of the world.
47:22So, the
47:23question this
47:24leads to me,
47:25I mean,
47:26several questions,
47:27but does
47:28any of this
47:29sound similar
47:29to the
47:30Nars ideas
47:30of America
47:31as the,
47:32quote,
47:33New Jerusalem
47:34with USA
47:36in caps?
47:37And that's
47:37a very
47:38interesting topic
47:39that's probably
47:39worth an entire
47:40podcast.
47:42As you know,
47:42John Alexander
47:43Dowie, he
47:44created Zion
47:45City, and he
47:46was trying to
47:46claim that this
47:47was going to
47:48be the New
47:49Jerusalem.
47:50And there's
47:50numerous New
47:51Jerusalem cults
47:52that exist
47:53today.
47:53So, where
47:54did they get
47:54this idea?
47:55It seems to
47:56be a very
47:56commonplace
47:57idea.
47:58I don't
47:58think in
47:59Branhamism that
47:59was the
48:00case,
48:01Branham's,
48:01before Branham
48:02was able to
48:04develop what
48:05the charismatic
48:05movement developed
48:07as far as
48:07kingdom theology
48:08and eventually
48:09the dominion
48:10theology,
48:11Branham died.
48:12So, he
48:13didn't ride that
48:14wave.
48:15Otherwise, he
48:15would have
48:15copied and
48:16plagiarized those
48:17guys as he
48:18did in the
48:19earlier years.
48:20But, yes,
48:21the New
48:21Jerusalem theme
48:22seems to be
48:23something that
48:23is very
48:24prevalent.
48:25Yeah, I
48:25can tell you
48:25that, I
48:27can't give you
48:27a direct quote,
48:28but I'm just
48:29having read
48:29quite a bit
48:30of Jane
48:30Leeds'
48:31writings.
48:32She did
48:33talk about
48:33the New
48:34Jerusalem
48:34descending
48:35from heaven.
48:37And, you
48:38know, you
48:38can look at
48:39the Bible
48:39and you
48:39say, yeah,
48:40okay, well,
48:40it says
48:41essentially that.
48:42But she
48:43had this idea
48:44that it was
48:45going to
48:45descend from
48:46heaven and
48:48Christ would
48:49be present
48:50in and
48:51through his
48:52elite prior
48:54to the
48:55return of
48:56his personal
48:57advent.
49:00So, yeah,
49:01this idea that
49:01there's going
49:02to be this
49:02empowerment.
49:03And the
49:03fellow I
49:04mentioned
49:04earlier,
49:05Joachim
49:06de Fiori,
49:08he talked
49:09about this
49:10too.
49:10And so
49:11there's this
49:11Shekinah
49:13glory, as
49:14some would
49:14call it,
49:15the parousia,
49:16as the
49:17Bible would
49:17use that
49:18Greek word.
49:19There's the
49:20idea that
49:20there's a
49:21second coming
49:22with a
49:23first
49:23installment
49:24where the
49:27world is
49:28taken dominion
49:28of and
49:31there's a
49:31transfer of
49:32wealth to
49:34the true
49:34believers and
49:35the Judgment
49:36Day occurs.
49:38And all of
49:38that occurs
49:39prior to
49:40the return
49:41of the
49:42literal Jesus
49:42Christ.
49:43What's
49:43fascinating
49:44research,
49:44and like I
49:45said earlier,
49:46last time you
49:47got me to
49:47thinking in
49:48ways that I
49:48haven't exercised
49:49my brain in
49:50a very long
49:50time.
49:51So I
49:52think this
49:53time may
49:53be worse.
49:54And I've
49:55got more to
49:55look up and
49:56more to
49:56study and
49:57more personal
49:58experiences to
49:59re-examine.
50:00Was that
50:01thing that I
50:01believe scriptural
50:02or was it
50:02not?
50:03Yeah, and
50:04remember last
50:04time what
50:05really got
50:06you was
50:06input about
50:08the elite
50:10eating pastries
50:10after
50:11standing around
50:13and falling
50:14down.
50:15Yeah, last
50:16time you
50:16got me
50:16incredibly
50:17hungry, and
50:17it's almost
50:19lunchtime here
50:20for me, so
50:20I think
50:21now you've
50:22done it
50:22again just
50:22by simply
50:23mentioning
50:23pastries.
50:25Okay.
50:26Well, John,
50:27if I can give
50:28a plug for
50:29the next
50:29time, I
50:30don't know
50:30when we're
50:30going to
50:30do it.
50:32I think I
50:33know, but
50:33I found
50:35some very
50:36interesting
50:36documents about
50:38the Latarine,
50:41their influence
50:42in Ghana,
50:43and how
50:44there's a
50:44melding,
50:45which a lot
50:46of people
50:46might think
50:47would happen,
50:48it did,
50:48a melding
50:49between
50:49laddering
50:50ideas and
50:52practices
50:52and those
50:54of essentially
50:54a pagan
50:55society
50:55called the
50:57Akan,
50:57which is
50:58A-K-A-N.
51:00So I'm
51:01looking forward
51:01to throwing
51:02that your
51:03way and
51:03seeing what
51:03your comments
51:04are.
51:05Awesome.
51:05Well, I look
51:06forward to it.
51:06If you've
51:07enjoyed our
51:08show and
51:08you want
51:08more
51:09information,
51:09you can
51:09check us
51:10out on
51:10the web.
51:11You can
51:11find us
51:11at
51:11william-branham.org.
51:13For more
51:13about the
51:14dark side
51:14of the
51:15New Apostolic
51:15Reformation,
51:16you can
51:16read
51:17Weaponized
51:17Religion,
51:18From Christian
51:18Identity to
51:19the NAR,
51:20and for
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