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Diet cola fanatic is shocked to hear the damage her beloved soda could be doing to her body. Can Felix Economakis and Charlotte Watts cure her freaky eating?
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00:0121-year-old Katie Walker from Stockport loves a flutter.
00:07So much so that she works nights as a croupier in a casino.
00:12But the biggest gamble Katie takes is with her health.
00:16She's addicted to diet cola.
00:19I probably drink about three litres of it a day.
00:23And she bulks this up with a diet of stodgy white bread.
00:26Fruit and veg terrify her.
00:29Just put it on your lips.
00:32Helping her to change her freaky food habits will be the job of our experts.
00:36Psychologist Felix Iconomarchus will force her to face the music.
00:40I mean on a scale of one to ten to this maximum fear, where would you rate yourself right now?
00:44Probably about nine.
00:45While nutritionist Charlotte Watts struggles to get her off cola and on to healthier foods.
00:52You came back.
00:53That's horrible.
00:54But with only four weeks to transform Katie's diet.
00:56You're spitting at me.
00:58Will Charlotte and Felix be up to their toughest challenge yet?
01:01Try and be a bit more positive.
01:02I can't.
01:03I'm having my doubts about Katie's level of commitment.
01:05At this rate, I'm not that confident she's going to do it.
01:1021-year-old Katie Walker is an adventure seeker with a taste for extreme sports.
01:19I would say I'm quite an adrenaline junkie.
01:20I have bungee jumped, skydived, anything where there's a bit of danger. I just love it.
01:28She's brave. She's full of courage. She's so confident.
01:32She's fearless in most areas of her life, except for when it comes to food.
01:33I'm scared of experiencing anything new when it comes to eating or drinking.
01:37I don't really like the idea of trying anything that I don't consider to be safe.
01:41And her list of safe foods is extremely limited.
01:42My meal most days will be bread in some form, like toast, crisp butties, ketchup.
01:45Do the whole bread with ketchup on, now and again.
02:03My meal most days will be bread in some form, like toast, crisp butties, ketchup, do the
02:11whole bread with ketchup on now and again, sweets, chocolate, anything fun and childlike.
02:19And she washes it all down with a daily deluge of Diet Cola.
02:22I drink Diet Coke from getting up first thing in the morning till when I go to bed, don't
02:29drink anything else at all.
02:32The panic sets in when she's without her fizzy friend.
02:35Wherever I am there's usually some Diet Coke around, usually to sort of carry one round
02:39with me, just in case, you know.
02:41When pressured to try new foods, it's always the same old story.
02:45She says she doesn't like something even before she's put it in her mouth and she will, she'll
02:51gag really if you tried to, or she'll touch it with her tongue and then, ugh, you don't
02:56like it.
02:57Did you even get on your tongue?
02:58You're squinched.
02:59Touch your lips.
03:00It is difficult to understand for other people but I can't physically do it and, you know,
03:05it is too stressful for me.
03:07I would rather just avoid the situation completely.
03:11Katie grew up in Stockport and is the youngest of three children.
03:15And we definitely did spoil her a bit because she was the youngest, because she was the girl,
03:19you know, and she was really cute.
03:21And her fussy eating started early.
03:23We'd bribe her, we'd threaten her, we'd do just about anything to get her to eat the
03:29right things.
03:30But then in the end, and probably the end wasn't a very long time, it became easier just to
03:35think, well, at least we're getting something, something down, at least she's eaten something.
03:38There's always tears and tantrums at mealtimes.
03:41So that would be, easier option would be to stay calm because she's going to grow out of
03:45this.
03:46But unfortunately she never has.
03:48Katie recently moved into her own flat, but her bizarre eating habits still affect her
03:52family.
03:53Mealtimes can be stressful because we've got to make sure that it's comfortable for Katie.
03:59There doesn't seem to be anything on here that is remotely normal.
04:05We can't just have the meals that we want without having to consider, you know, kind of
04:09mollycoddling Katie.
04:10Patience is starting to wear thin.
04:12I think it's becoming less, less tolerable for everybody else now because it was always
04:17okay when I was 15 and, oh, she doesn't want that, she'll have this.
04:21But now it's a bit more like, you're 21, just try it.
04:26And Katie's white bread and three-litre-a-day habit has also started to take its toll on
04:30her health.
04:31I've had a couple of occasions where I've had, like, stomach pains and ended up in hospital
04:36and it's been undiagnosed, and obviously I get to thinking about that and thinking,
04:40well, it's probably something to do with all the crap I put in there.
04:43But 21 years of freaky eating won't be easy to change.
04:47I think you're going to have a real battle on your hands fixing Katie.
04:50I think the real hard part will be convincing her to stay that way.
04:53If it was anything else other than food, I'd say, yes, she'll overcome this, she'll do it.
04:59With it being food, it's a whole different ballgame.
05:01I feel like it's now or never really, because I've waited long enough and now I'm at the
05:07point where if I could change it now, I'd never have to look back.
05:14Starting today, Katie will have just four weeks to revolutionise her diet, and she's
05:18in London for her first meeting with nutritionist Charlotte and psychologist Felix.
05:21Hello, Katie.
05:22Hello.
05:23Hello.
05:24I'm Charlotte.
05:25This is Felix.
05:26Hi, Katie.
05:27Good to meet you.
05:28Hi.
05:29How are you feeling?
05:30A bit nervous, but excited to see what's going to happen.
05:31We're going to take good care of you.
05:32Okay.
05:33Okay.
05:34Well, come this way.
05:35Okay.
05:36Okay, Katie, so the next couple of weeks are going to be a tough challenge for you changing
05:46your dietary habits.
05:47Felix and I have put something together for you to use as a motivational tool in the next
05:52couple of weeks.
05:53We're going to leave you to watch that now, and then we'll come back after and have a chat
05:57to you about it.
05:58Okay?
05:59Okay.
06:00Good luck, Katie.
06:01Just here to wish you luck and tell you to get a grip and start eating food.
06:08You need to fix this.
06:09It's a big problem, and on the level I'm not entirely sure I believe you can do it, but
06:14if you can, please prove me wrong.
06:17Hiya, chicken.
06:19Do this thing for me.
06:20You know, let's get it over with.
06:22Let's get past it.
06:23If it helps, you ditch the Diet Coke, and I'll ditch chocolate.
06:26How's that?
06:27Because you know how important chocolate is to me, but I'll manage without that as long
06:29as you're managed without Diet Coke.
06:32You can do this because you're gutsy and you're awesome.
06:36Hi, Katie.
06:37First of all, I'd like to say how pleased I am that you're finally doing something about
06:43your eating problems.
06:44It's you that's decided to do something about it and you're doing it for you.
06:47We all love you and we all want you to be healthy.
06:51And the way you are at the moment, it's going to cause you serious health problems in the
06:54future.
06:55So, stick with this, please.
07:03Katie, what was it like for you to listen to your friends and family?
07:06It wasn't very nice, to be honest, just because a lot of those things haven't really been
07:10said before.
07:11It's upset me to hear them say that kind of stuff, so B should be a good motivator to
07:16try and focus on how happy they all will probably be, you know, if I actually do manage
07:21to do it.
07:22And make yourself happy as well.
07:23Yes.
07:24Yeah.
07:25Right, that's important.
07:26Don't forget that.
07:27Yeah.
07:28Felix and Charlotte begin their work with something to shock Katie into action.
07:37Hey, can we come over here?
07:43Yeah.
07:45So, Katie, we've looked at your diet and we're quite astonished to see that you are living
07:51on a diet of mainly diet cola and white bread.
07:55So, what do you think this here represents?
07:59I would go for, like, maybe how much I've drank in my life.
08:05Interesting.
08:06Interesting.
08:07It's like a load.
08:08Well, you drink three litres of diet cola a day, so this is 1,095 litres, which is the
08:15amount you drink in one year alone.
08:18Well, it's a lot and it looks really, like, black.
08:22This is a huge amount of chemicals for your body to process.
08:26This is really, really serious stuff.
08:29Katie eats over 1,000 bread rolls and over 1,500 slices of white bread a year.
08:35But that's not all.
08:36What a lot of people don't realise about white bread is how much sugar it contains.
08:41And we have this to show you.
08:43If you come over here, Katie.
08:45A slice of white processed bread contains a quarter of a teaspoon of sugar, so Katie consumes
08:52well over the recommended daily allowance.
08:54Ready?
08:55Just to show you, this is all going to your body.
08:58Now, sugar in this form is not something your body needs.
09:02And it will just give you a really big spike, a surge of energy, and then you get those
09:07drops.
09:08I'm just shocked for now, because I thought bread might have a bit of something in it
09:13that wasn't great, but I didn't even think it had sugar in it, really.
09:16Obviously, to move you from this type of food to a more healthy way of eating is going to
09:22take a lot of work from you.
09:23Yeah.
09:24We're going to need a lot of commitment.
09:25Are you ready for that?
09:26Yeah.
09:27Okay.
09:28Let's get to work.
09:29Okay.
09:30Over the next four weeks, Charlotte and Felix will work with Katie to transform her dire diet.
09:39I think Katie's particular problem here is a very large challenge.
09:43I think there's a lot of addictive qualities to the type of diet that she's having, and she
09:49has a lot of emotional attachment to those as well.
09:52The bread was the worst thing to see and to smell, because it smelled absolutely disgusting.
09:58You know, seeing it all laid out, it's just, you know, it just makes me realise how big
10:05the problem is, really.
10:08But old habits are hard to break.
10:10Back at the hotel, a tired Katie finds comfort in a pack of sugary sweets.
10:16I think I'm feeling quite emotionally drained today, just because I think it's all sort of
10:23got quite serious now, and it's all probably got a bit much, and I'm sort of ready for the
10:29next few days to be over with, I think.
10:31Charlotte's keen to find out if Katie's shocking diet has done any damage to her health, so
10:45she's brought her to a London clinic for blood tests.
10:47Hi.
10:48Hi, Katie.
10:49How are you feeling?
10:50Katie's diet is truly awful, and I really don't think that she understands the extent to
10:55which the chemicals in the diet, cola and the bread, are really affecting her health.
10:59I'm hoping that today the session with Dr. Pixie is really going to galvanise her, motivate
11:04her into changing her dietary habits.
11:08Dr. Pixie McKenna is a GP with a particular interest in eating disorders.
11:12She has analysed Katie's test results and has some concerning news.
11:16The most worrying thing for me was that your liver function was abnormal.
11:22Do you know anything about your liver?
11:25Do you know what it does?
11:26I don't know if you give it too much alcohol, it fails and doesn't work properly.
11:32Everyone thinks that it's just alcohol, but actually the liver has so many jobs to do.
11:38And in that cola, you've got all those E numbers, you've got the citric acid, phosphoric acid,
11:44and you're giving it excessive amounts.
11:46The liver is one of the largest organs.
11:49It protects the body from poisoning by filtering the toxins that go through it.
11:53Katie's liver is being forced to work much harder than it should due to her large cola consumption.
11:58Chemical sweeteners and phosphoric acid consumed in large quantities are hard for the liver to break down.
12:04Overworked liver cells become saturated and this can lead to cirrhosis of the liver, which is potentially deadly.
12:10Because you're drinking so much cola, what you forget is that there's caffeine in that and that's dehydrating you.
12:20You're like someone who's in a permanently hungover state.
12:24Your liver is up, you're dehydrated, you're wrecked.
12:28It's not brilliant to obviously find out that there's things that have come up already that are just through this diet.
12:35The other worry that I have, your fertility, because caffeine will adversely affect your fertility.
12:42And also when you do fall pregnant, your risk of miscarriage is increased.
12:47And I think the other worry in terms of the amount of cola that you're consuming is your teeth actually.
12:55Would that be a reason that maybe you might stop, for pure vanity reasons, if your teeth looks like this?
13:02Put them up the right way around.
13:05I mean I'd hope that my teeth would never get that bad, because obviously I keep brushing them.
13:11You can be sure that the early stages of this are happening in your mouth.
13:16It's obviously another sort of thing to push me on really.
13:21With a lot on her plate, Katie heads back to Stockport to break the news to her mum and dad.
13:27How are you doing?
13:28Eh, not too rad.
13:30Katie, she's missed you!
13:32I missed you!
13:33Was there anything that was a worry or that we need to know about?
13:36From my blood tests, they discovered that my liver's not working as it should do.
13:43I can't believe somebody so young could be starting my liver problems.
13:48They're saying about not being able to conceive children.
13:52That must have scared you.
13:53Yeah, that was the bit that got me.
13:54That's got to make you want to give up if you think it's going to affect your fertility.
13:58Yeah, yeah.
13:59That was the one thing they said where it was like, and I didn't really say much after that,
14:03I just kind of sat there like...
14:04Before Felix can begin his work, he wants to uncover what lies at the root of Katie's
14:17eating problems.
14:18Katie, what's your understanding of what's going on here with these eating and drinking
14:24habits?
14:25I can't remember when it sort of first became a problem.
14:28I can just remember never really being interested at all in food.
14:32You know, sort of being offered things and just thinking, well, no, I don't like that
14:36because I've not had it before.
14:38It's not safe.
14:39It's not what I'm used to.
14:41You know, it's either I don't like the look of it, the smell of it.
14:44Just there's something about nearly everything that I just think I don't like it.
14:50What I'd like you to tell me a little bit more about is think back in the past to a really
14:55typical scenario around the dinner table?
14:58Mum would make the dinner.
15:00We'd all stay out of the kitchen.
15:02She'd usually have made different meals.
15:04Right.
15:05Like, she'd make me something separate.
15:07I don't really remember that much drama about it, to be honest.
15:10Okay.
15:11I can remember the odd times when it was, you know, sit there and eat that.
15:14I would have just, you know, plainly refused and sat there and cried about it.
15:19And if I didn't want to eat something, I wasn't going to.
15:22But you said that if they did pressurise you, you'd cry quite easily and then they'd back
15:26off?
15:27Yeah.
15:28So it sounds like your parents' strategy was to not nag you, but actually what it did
15:31in your case, it just allowed you to keep doing the same behaviour.
15:34Let's just put aside the diet and the eating for a moment and tell me who you are as a person.
15:38Well, my best friend would probably say that I'm quite confident.
15:41I've got a bit of a dare inside.
15:43So you're a real daredevil?
15:45Yeah, with most things.
15:46So I'll sort of try anything but just not food related.
15:50Okay.
15:51What specifically prevents you from trying new foods?
15:54I've got all the good intention of doing it and I get it up to my mouth and then it's
15:59like I can't physically do it.
16:00And it's just embarrassing to sort of have everybody thinking that I'm, you know, acting
16:06like a child or...
16:07I just think people will just think I'm a bit stupid.
16:10Okay.
16:11Now, this sounds a little bit odd, but what's the problem with people thinking you're a
16:14little bit stupid?
16:15I don't want people to think I'm stupid.
16:18I know this sounds a bit odd.
16:20I'm going to ask you again.
16:21Because if they did think you're a little bit stupid, what would that mean to you?
16:24It would upset me that, you know, friends and family and things and people, you know,
16:31have that opinion of me.
16:33I would rather everybody just think I was fine and normal and just see the sort of happier
16:39side of me all the time.
16:44With Katie, her problems seem to be twofold.
16:47To avoid tantrums, her parents never really pushed her.
16:50So her eating patterns have been maintained into adulthood.
16:53Then there's her fear of looking stupid when trying new foods.
16:56And this is also blocking her progress and definitely something I'd like to explore with her further.
17:01Back at her hotel, Katie's had some time to reflect as well.
17:05I think after speaking with Felix, I've realised that maybe I shouldn't put quite as much emphasis
17:12on being ashamed of the problem.
17:16Because I think I honestly could have got the problem sorted out a long time ago
17:21if instead of being ashamed of it and denying it for so long,
17:25if I would have actually recognised that it was a problem.
17:31Katie has her first one-on-one appointment with nutritionist Charlotte to start the process
17:42of getting her to eat healthier foods.
17:44Before I start my work with Katie, I need to see where her boundaries lie,
17:49how far I can push her with new foods.
17:52I suspect there's going to be quite a lot of resistance on her part.
17:55Now, what's your first reaction looking at this bread here?
18:01There's a lot of green things around here.
18:04That's the stuff that's kind of catching me out.
18:06And then the tomatoes over there, just trying not to look at them.
18:09Of all the foods that you can see in front of you, which looks least problematic to you?
18:14The bread that's over there doesn't look too bad.
18:17Are you prepared to go step up and have the one that's less processed?
18:21It just doesn't look nice at all.
18:23I think, yes, let's try it.
18:26So what are your first impressions?
18:28It's just like full of seeds.
18:31That stuff you have to chew is the stuff that's good for your liver.
18:36Mmm. Don't want that bit.
18:39Go for it.
18:42That was horrible.
18:52In what way?
18:54It's like...
18:56I think this is the bit that you have to learn to do.
18:58This is the bit you're not used to.
19:00And at the moment, it's just unfamiliar.
19:03Next up, those essential greens that are so desperately lacking in her diet.
19:07Stick it in.
19:08The whole thing?
19:09Oh, yeah, just stick it in.
19:10Oh!
19:11Go on.
19:12What are you thinking?
19:13Stop thinking.
19:16Right.
19:19No!
19:22Oh, no, really.
19:24It goes a little bit further each time.
19:27I could swallow it without chewing it, maybe.
19:30I just don't want to chew it.
19:31Oh, I'm afraid you and that leaf need to become friends.
19:35Commit to your leaf.
19:36Right.
19:40Oh!
19:41Oh!
19:42The leaf came back.
19:43That's horrible.
19:44Okay, what was horrible about that?
19:45It's just like, the more I chewed it, the more it tasted like, I don't know, what is it? Cabbage?
20:02Yes.
20:03Yeah.
20:04It tasted like cabbage.
20:05Yeah.
20:06Oh, my God, cabbage tastes like cabbage.
20:07Yeah.
20:08Yeah.
20:09If veg is a struggle, then maybe fruit will tempt her sweet tooth.
20:12Quite bitter.
20:13Mmm.
20:14Sour.
20:15It's actually very, very sweet fruit.
20:19Mmm.
20:20I wouldn't like that one very much.
20:21Okay.
20:22I feel that's one that you might like in the future. I've just got a feeling.
20:39For over ten years, Katie has drunk nothing but Diet Cola. So Charlotte has to find her
20:46a healthy replacement and fast.
20:51Apple juice.
20:52That smells stronger than I thought it would.
20:57I don't like that very much.
20:59Let's try, I'm going to go for, I'm not going to tell you what it is.
21:04Oh, it smells like bleach.
21:06That's grapefruit.
21:08Yeah, I don't like that one.
21:10I'm going to go on black.
21:11Mmm.
21:12Okay.
21:13That's cranberry drink.
21:14That's all right, actually.
21:15Excellent.
21:16Okay, that's really good.
21:17She surprised me in the fact that she actually put a lot of stuff in her mouth.
21:30There were no tears and no tantrums, but it might be a very different scenario when she's
21:38at home alone. What I feel she needs to do is keep pushing the boundaries and just keep
21:42going, then I think she's got a really, really good chance of changing.
21:45I used to sit there for long enough that people would just give up, and I kind of thought
21:48at first that she might give up, because she might get bored of telling me to eat it.
21:52The only way out of it was to sort of just eat something to shut her up.
22:03Charlotte and Felix have set Katie the challenge of eating a healthy meal in just
22:07four weeks' time. To get Katie started, Charlotte sends her off with a homework hamper filled
22:12with unfamiliar foods and tasks for the week ahead.
22:15Produce your daily intake of diet cola from three litres a day to two litres a day only.
22:20No white bread at all. Replace your white bread with healthier alternatives.
22:26Oh, no. This looks awful.
22:35And Charlotte has also asked Katie to ditch all her sugary kiddie treats.
22:40I'm not really enjoying this, to be honest. It's just like throwing all my food away.
22:45And it's just a waste.
22:46Katie's lack of enthusiasm doesn't go unnoticed.
22:49Try and be a bit more positive, please.
22:52I can't, because I'm throwing away all the food that I eat, and I don't yet like any of the new food.
22:59So, I'm going to starve.
23:01And with mum around, it's not long before Katie reverts to her childlike ways.
23:06I just don't see how I can eat any of this. Like, everybody goes away and leaves me with a house full of this food.
23:12Yeah. And I'm hungry, and it's like, well, what am I supposed to do?
23:17Or just randomly cut up an onion and some broccoli and put it all in a pan and try to eat it.
23:23I don't like cooking, and I can't do it. You've never cooked. That's why.
23:26If you give it a try, you might like it.
23:28It seems like so much effort when you could just spend three pounds buying something.
23:31And do you not think it's worth it? Do you not think it's worth it?
23:34Yeah, but I just think it's just easier...
23:37..to carry on drinking Diet Cola and chocolate and crisps and biscuits
23:41and feeling unhealthy and being unhealthy.
23:47You don't think it's worth it? I just think I'm going to spend, like, an hour a day cooking food
23:50just to sit on the settee while I'm watching telly
23:52and just eat, like, a bowl of soup on my own, like, oh, this is fun, and then wash up.
23:55Once you get into a routine of doing it, it'll just become normal,
24:00it'll just become a way of life that when you come in,
24:02you'll get what you've got in the cupboard and start cooking it,
24:05instead of grabbing a bag of crisps.
24:08Come on, positive.
24:10Think positive thoughts.
24:15And later that night, things still don't get any easier for Katie.
24:19At the moment, I've got a house full of vegetables.
24:24And I don't really like any vegetables.
24:26I don't know how to make them, and I'm not in the mood.
24:29And I've got a splitting headache.
24:31It's, like, here.
24:33It's killing.
24:35So, I mean, the easy thing to do now would be to go get a big bottle of Coke,
24:42sit and watch TV for a bit and chill out and, you know, enjoy myself.
24:46But then I'm back to square one, I'm back to where I was.
24:48It's the start of week two. Katie's managed to cut down on the cola,
25:00but she's still struggling to eat new foods.
25:02Felix has asked her to meet him at a local youth centre for their next session.
25:06Katie needs to be pushed out of her comfort zone to face her fears of looking stupid,
25:11as she calls it, when trying new foods.
25:13Now, Bollywood dancing is something totally foreign to her and probably quite frightening.
25:18So, I've got just the challenge in mind to give her the push she needs.
25:21Hi, Katie. Nice to see you again.
25:23By facing her fears of embarrassment, she may realise that trying something as simple as fruit or veg
25:29is not as scary as she thinks it is.
25:32Here we have, today, what we're actually going to have you do is learn to do some Bollywood dancing.
25:49And it's probably something you've never done before, which is the whole point of it.
25:53If you would have said ballet or something, I don't know what it is.
25:55Okay, no, it's Bollywood.
25:57Okay, so let's get set up.
25:59All right, there it is.
26:01So, your hands are here.
26:03You go one, two, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
26:10One, two, four, five, six, seven, eight.
26:12Casey's clearly embarrassed.
26:13Five, six, seven, eight.
26:15But she's not about to suffer on her own.
26:17Five, six, seven, eight.
26:18Are you doing it with us?
26:19You want me to?
26:21I'd like you to.
26:22No, okay, let's do it.
26:24Oh!
26:37Casey, that is awesome.
26:39Oh, no.
26:41You feeling good?
26:42Yeah, it's getting easier as I go on.
26:45And just when she thinks the end is in sight, Felix steps up the embarrassment factor.
26:49We're going to take this one stage further, which is we're actually going to perform this
26:53in front of some people.
26:54Like real people?
26:55Yeah, kind of real people.
26:58Not experts in Bollywood, just people who are there to experience and have a laugh,
27:02and to really enjoy the moment.
27:04You okay?
27:06Yeah.
27:07Yeah.
27:08Well done.
27:09Well done, Casey.
27:10That's brilliant.
27:13So it's out of the frying pan and into the fire, as Katie makes her Bollywood debut in
27:19the middle of her local shopping centre.
27:22How are you feeling right now?
27:24I'm not loving it, to be honest.
27:27I'd be surprised if you were.
27:29I mean, on a scale of one to ten to his maximum fear, where would you rate yourself right
27:33now?
27:34Probably about nine.
27:35Okay.
27:36The aim of today is for you to focus on the dance and being with it, and let these people
27:40go by.
27:41You know, they'll probably like get into it and stuff.
27:43It's going to be great.
27:44Yeah?
27:45Yeah.
27:56People in Katie's position focus on what everyone else is thinking and how they're judging them
28:01and forget to think about their own feelings.
28:03So the aim of today was to get her just focus on the experience and just forget everyone
28:06else around her, which would like her to apply to her diet.
28:10Oh my God.
28:11Haha.
28:12Katie, Katie.
28:13Well done.
28:14Well done.
28:15You're brilliant.
28:16This was new.
28:17Didn't like it, but you did it.
28:18And we want to apply that learning to do with trying new things in the diet, for example.
28:35Yeah?
28:36Before you come across them, you probably think, no way, that's not for me.
28:39It's not part of my reality.
28:41Then you try them, you think, okay, I didn't enjoy it the first time around, but now I'm
28:45okay with it.
28:46Yeah.
28:47I'm feeling better now.
28:48It's over and done with.
28:49I'm glad I've done it.
28:50It was just a bit scary, the idea of, you know, someone I know seeing me.
28:56I just don't want to look stupid.
28:59With the morning session over, Felix goes to meet Katie's mum.
29:06Nice to meet you.
29:07Hi, nice to meet you.
29:08Hello, Felix.
29:09He's keen to see what she'll make of Katie's Bollywood bravado.
29:13Thank you, Katie.
29:14What have they done with you, sweetheart?
29:16Do you know something different about Katie?
29:18I do.
29:19That's called a bindi, I believe.
29:22And I've got some bangles.
29:24I take it we've been doing a bit of dancing, have we?
29:26Yeah.
29:27Like Bollywood type dancing.
29:29How did you know this?
29:30Well, because I can just tell.
29:32Yeah.
29:33And?
29:34Guess where?
29:35The precinct.
29:36Not Stockport precinct.
29:38They didn't take you to Stockport precinct?
29:40No.
29:41Okay.
29:42Were you on your own?
29:43No, there was two professionals doing it.
29:46Did you see anybody you know?
29:48I saw one person who I've seen him work a few times.
29:50Okay.
29:51Was it horrible while you were doing it?
29:53I couldn't look up because I just thought there was going to be people stood staring at me and laughing.
29:56How do you think you might have reacted if you saw Katie there in some obvious distress?
30:01She would be looking down with people around her.
30:03What do you think you might have done?
30:04Worried about her.
30:06She'd have probably looked really young and vulnerable again.
30:08I'd have taken you off, wouldn't I?
30:10I can't understand what that's got to do with just picking up a piece of food and putting it in your mouth and not liking the taste of it.
30:17Katie's lesson is to stick through it and realise it's not going to be as bad as I thought it would be.
30:22Alright.
30:23And while she's experiencing that, everybody has to allow her that experience.
30:28Okay.
30:30Katie's mum was very concerned about who saw you at the centre and what was going on.
30:34And in some ways she's teaching Katie what to be afraid of.
30:38So what's important for us as psychologists is to let people know that the best way sometimes to help a person is actually to help them stand the distress, get through it and realise that they can do that time and time again afterwards.
30:50It's halfway through Katie's four week challenge and she's still struggling with her new diet.
31:02But she has managed to reduce her diet cola intake by 14 litres a week and replace it with juice and water.
31:09Trouble is, caffeine withdrawal has really kicked in.
31:13I'm not feeling very well today.
31:15So, I've had a day off.
31:17I woke up at about four this morning feeling really sick and hot and cold and like I've had this headache for a couple of days and I think that's just, you know, not as much caffeine and stuff and I'm just basically feeling like rubbish.
31:36Finding it hard to cope, Katie temporarily moves to her parents' house and into the loving arms of mum.
31:41Hiya.
31:42Hey mum.
31:43But given her a history of mollycoddling, could this be a big step in the wrong direction?
31:47Yeah, she's struggling.
31:48She perhaps thought it was going to be a lot easier than it is.
31:51It's hard to wrap your mind around how instead of having diet cola drinks and crisps and bread, you've suddenly got a load of root vegetables and she's struggling wrapping her mind around that.
32:02Yeah, she perhaps needs to put a bit more effort into reading her homework and the tasks that she's been given.
32:08If she maybe gave a bit more to that, she possibly would do better.
32:15Katie's energy levels have dropped dramatically and she's finding it harder than ever to motivate herself.
32:20But it's not just caffeine withdrawals she's suffering from. What neither Katie nor anyone else knew at this moment was that she was in fact pregnant.
32:33Seeing Katie so low is too much for mum Susan.
32:36Right.
32:37So she perks her up with a fix of bread.
32:43I was supposed to do a couple of tasks last week but I've not been doing any of them.
32:51Just been in bed and sleeping.
32:54So we have fallen behind a bit and that's why we're trying to get a lot done over the next few days now I'm feeling a little bit better.
33:03Charlotte decides the only way to engage Katie is to make food fun.
33:16So she's devised a session that will challenge her in a way she usually enjoys.
33:20I think Katie's really struggling.
33:23She has cut down the diet cola but she's not actually eating much and she really needs to put some variety into her diet.
33:29Now I know she loves gambling so I want to use that to move her on a bit.
33:37Hello. Have a seat.
33:40How have you been getting on with your new diet?
33:43I've managed to cut things out I just haven't managed to replace them with anything yet.
33:47Aha.
33:49I'm a bit hungry and grumpy but...
33:51Oh we're here to help you with that today.
33:52We know you love gambling so this is your environment.
33:56OK.
33:58You're going to bet on either red or black.
34:01If you lose then I get to choose what you eat.
34:04Oh no that's horrible.
34:06I never win.
34:11No more bets now.
34:15Seven red.
34:17Oh it's me.
34:19I'm going to go for a little bit of that one.
34:23With her luck out she's forced to try her bette rouge, a tomato.
34:28That's just gross.
34:31OK.
34:33Ugh.
34:34I just hate tomato.
34:38You're not going to give up, are you?
34:39No.
34:41Quick.
34:42OK, OK, OK.
34:44Bite, bite, bite, bite, bite, bite, bite.
34:47Ugh.
34:50Chew, chew, chew.
34:51Look at me, chew.
34:52Just look at me, chew.
34:53Look at me, chew.
34:58Ugh.
35:01It just doesn't taste nice.
35:03OK.
35:04We'll move on from that.
35:05Oh man.
35:07Makes you better.
35:09Hey.
35:11Poor blood.
35:12Again, Katie loses and this time she's faced with a cucumber.
35:16You need to do half of it.
35:18I can't eat half of that in one go.
35:20How are we going to get you to a meal if we can't get you to half of one of those?
35:23I can eat a normal person mouthful.
35:25Half a bite of those is a normal person mouthful.
35:28You wouldn't just shove that much food in your mouth.
35:30Yeah you would.
35:32People do.
35:33Mm.
35:40Chew, chew, chew, chew.
35:41Tongue, tongue, tongue.
35:43Relax your face, look at me.
35:44Ugh.
35:46Choo.
35:52Ugh.
35:54Ugh.
35:56So you're not used to that texture.
35:59But it's not doing anything bad to you, is it?
36:01Was it doing this bad to you?
36:04Ugh.
36:08Was it doing this bad to you?
36:09It just doesn't, it's just making my mouth upset.
36:12How is it making your mouth upset?
36:14Because my mouth doesn't like it.
36:16There were quite a few points throughout that where I just thought,
36:19just eat it, just put it in your mouth and just eat it.
36:23And not because I was being non-sympathetic.
36:25You know, I can really see the difference when someone's truly not having a good time and just making it a bit for the sake of a battle.
36:35It's the penultimate week of Katie's dietary makeover.
36:38With her commitment to change now seriously in question and still unaware that she's also pregnant,
36:43Charlotte and Felix meet up for a coffee bar case conference.
36:45All right.
36:47Okay.
36:49I just wanted to have a quick catch up really, because I've had quite a frustrating time with Katie.
36:55We did this game with roulette, which is supposed to be fun, which is supposed to engage with her love of gambling.
36:59Yeah.
37:01And she was still doing all the making faces and being, going back to the kind of little girl thing.
37:07You know, if you're not cooperating, engaging, it makes the job ten times harder.
37:11I've got to come up with some way of holding up a mirror to her behaviour so she realises that she's acting a bit like a child.
37:17We know she's moved back home, which means that she's been sucked back into that environment where she doesn't have to look after herself as an adult.
37:24Mum's always diving in to rescue Katie from any kind of duress.
37:27I think I need to go and see the mum.
37:29Yeah.
37:30I think I need to see them together.
37:39Hi, Katie.
37:40Hey, you're right.
37:41Good to see you again.
37:42You too.
37:43Felix has asked Katie to meet him at a local nursery for their next session.
37:47What I hope to do today is for Katie to have an experience of working with children and realise that she's a bit like a child herself with her behaviours.
37:54And if she can see that in their behaviour, she realises, I'm doing that too and I kind of need to grow up a bit.
38:02It's lunchtime and a room full of hungry three-year-olds need feeding.
38:06The class teacher shows Katie the ropes.
38:08The trolley will be coming in here with all the meals and the plates.
38:12So what I want you to do is give out the cutlery to the children and then it's always a good thing to eat with the children because we encourage healthy eating and good eating.
38:25What's wrong with it?
38:27We'll just put it there for a minute.
38:28OK, I'll have it.
38:29You have no fork.
38:31You won't be able to eat your dinner.
38:33Katie's normally the one resisting at mealtimes but she'll have to be the adult in this situation.
38:40What's wrong with this fork?
38:43Why don't you like it?
38:44Why don't you just try it?
38:46I like it.
38:47If you get a spoon and a knife then you can have that fork, yeah?
38:53But you don't need your spoon until you've got your dinner, do you really?
38:56No.
38:58It'll be OK.
39:00An adult Katie is coping but can she keep it up when lunch is served?
39:04Whoa, that's a ginormous plate of food.
39:07Food arrives and the children tuck in but someone isn't eating.
39:12Why are you not needing it?
39:17How are you doing Katie?
39:18Fine.
39:19They've asked you why you're not eating your food, what did you say?
39:22I am, I'm just, it's too hot.
39:25It's up to you, obviously.
39:26I'd rather just help them eat theirs and not have them necessarily notice.
39:33Well they do notice, that's the thing.
39:36They don't want to set a bad example.
39:40It's about trying to override that instinctive resistance.
39:43Are you too?
39:44No one can do it for you but you.
39:45Hello.
39:46You're doing good.
39:48You can eat mine as well if you want.
39:50Yeah, is it nice?
39:51Do you want to eat all mine?
39:52Do you like it?
39:53Katie's struggle to eat is even greater than a three year old's,
39:56which is frustrating for the class teacher.
39:58It's nice as well because they assume that you're not eating.
40:01So you've got to try and eat something.
40:03Let's see, Samir's a little bit reluctant to eat his food,
40:06so if you show him that you're eating it, it's nice.
40:09And that way you're encouraging him so he might eat.
40:12Eat, baby.
40:13Look, Katie's got to have some dinner.
40:16It's very nice to meet, so please eat your dinner, baby.
40:20And if you eat some first, and then he can see you eating,
40:25and then he may be encouraged to eat.
40:30Can you eat some food for me?
40:34There was just some plain rice.
40:46There was some other vegetables.
40:48She could have had a bite and grinned and bared it out,
40:51but she didn't.
40:53So that's disappointing because I felt she could have tried harder with that.
40:59At this stage of our work together,
41:01to be frank, I'm having my doubts about Katie's level of commitment.
41:05And this doesn't bode well for therapy.
41:07You need somebody who's really willing to give it their all
41:09to try the things that are suggested to them.
41:12If they're not interested in trying, that's always going to cause a problem.
41:24With little dietary improvement in sight,
41:26Charlotte makes a visit to Susan, Katie's mum.
41:28Hiya.
41:29Hi, Mum.
41:30Come in.
41:31She suspects Katie's temporary move back home,
41:34into the loving arms of mum, may be hindering her progress.
41:38Katie's been pretty terrible at doing any of her homework.
41:41Part of the problem is that her mum just steps in any time
41:45that Katie finds something difficult or uncomfortable,
41:48which means Katie doesn't really have to go through any struggle on her own at all.
41:52Her mum Susan's going to have to learn to let go, step back,
41:56and really let Katie find her own way.
41:59The fact that potentially together you want to be able to enjoy meals has to be an end point.
42:07You know, you've got to truly believe you can and you will be eating food that's good for you.
42:13So in terms of how you can help Katie, ultimately you have to step back and do what I'm doing,
42:20which is go, her health is going to suffer if she doesn't eat this.
42:24So it's that important that even if she goes through a bit of trauma to do it, she has to stand on her own two feet to do that.
42:31OK.
42:32I think Charlotte's got a point about my mum sort of backing down on me
42:38and I know that my mum will give in and I don't tend to try stuff when she tells me to,
42:43which is just me being horrible, I suppose, to my mum.
42:47But I kind of know that I can get away with it with her,
42:50so why not if you can and get away with it?
42:54Oh, instructions.
42:55With another hamper of goodies and tasks waiting,
42:58Charlotte is keen to see if Katie and her mum really get the point she was making.
43:02Time to vary the soup you make.
43:04Inside this hamper we have provided you with ingredients and instructions on how to make a new soup.
43:10Chicken and vegetable soup.
43:17I'll give you the stuff that we need.
43:19OK.
43:20Carrot.
43:21But mum Susan finds it hard to let Katie take the reins.
43:24Cut it up.
43:26Wash it.
43:27Don't start on that.
43:28This is the start of it.
43:30But first we have to decide how much of everything there you need.
43:33We'll just go along.
43:34Separately.
43:35You can't just start here and just do it as a go along.
43:37No, you can't because however many it says there,
43:39you take that out now and put that separately.
43:41It's you not butting in.
43:42Yeah.
43:47OK.
43:48OK, so have you ever touched raw chicken?
43:49No.
43:50I'd wash your hands first.
43:54Just watch your fingers.
43:56I'm watching my fingers.
43:57I'm nowhere near it.
43:58I'm stressed out.
44:00I'm just going to catch it.
44:01Sharp knives.
44:03Look at how you use the other knife.
44:05No, no, no.
44:06No, Katie, that's mole knife.
44:07Fine.
44:08She's just having her own little personal.
44:09I just need her knife.
44:10That's fine.
44:11She just wants to jump in and.
44:12Yeah, no, you use the mole knife.
44:13You'll do really, really well.
44:14Yeah.
44:15Push, turn and push that button.
44:16I don't know how to do nothing.
44:17Can I do a little oven?
44:18That's fine.
44:19Fill the whole bottom of the pan.
44:20Yeah.
44:25See if you leave her, she works it out.
44:27OK.
44:28Fair enough.
44:30Ah!
44:31Oh, it's bitten at me.
44:32Do you know when you're stirring it, just leave it sit for a minute on the heat,
44:36so that it gets time to cook before you start to turn it gently.
44:40Yeah?
44:41Yeah.
44:42That was nice.
44:43There's a big difference between showing someone what to do.
44:45And just helping.
44:46Yeah.
44:47It's up to you teaching her to do it.
44:48OK.
44:49Rather than doing it for her.
44:50If I thought she was in the house cooking like this, I'd be so pleased and so proud of
44:55her.
44:56Her instinct, which she's obviously had strongly for 21 years, is to jump in and help Katie
45:02at all times.
45:03But I think we saw progress and hopefully she can see the merits of getting past that.
45:09How's the chicken?
45:10Yeah.
45:11Yeah?
45:12Good, isn't it?
45:13I was quite surprised that she put it in her mouth and tried it and actually swallowed
45:27it.
45:28Charlotte was right when she said that I take over and I probably fuss about it too much
45:32and make too big a thing of it.
45:34Whereas she's an adult now.
45:36Charlotte said she's got to do it for herself and she's got to just get on with it.
45:43There are just a few days left before Katie's spinal challenge.
45:47For this, she's decided that she'd like to cook a meal and eat it with her family.
45:52After four weeks of caffeine crashes and a resistance to change, Katie has started to see the light
45:58at the end of the tunnel.
45:59A couple of months ago I was quite, you know, it was easy to upset me and I was easily grumpy
46:06and hyperactive and I just used to go from one extreme to the other really easy.
46:10And now, I think I'm a bit more emotionally stable.
46:15I'm actually probably looking forward to my final challenge now because the actual idea
46:22of it before was quite scary because it was, you know, everybody might be looking at me and
46:29wanting me to eat these things and what if I don't manage it and what if it all goes wrong
46:33in the kitchen and I was, like, genuinely quite worried about it but now I'm thinking of all
46:38good things that could happen.
46:39You know, already she's reaching for other food now to fill in that gap.
46:43She's reaching for fruit, she's reaching for the yogurts, she's having the whole meal bread.
46:48So she's already taken a huge step forward.
46:50I'm quite looking forward to my random fruit salad.
46:54It's almost as good as a really big chocolate bar.
46:58Although Katie isn't eating as many new foods as Felix and Charlotte might have liked,
47:02she has started to feel the physical benefits of lowering her cola and bread consumption.
47:07I actually weighed myself and in the last four weeks or so I've actually lost, like, nearly stone.
47:15And, you know, I've not been starving and I've been losing a few pounds here and there.
47:20And it's just mad because before I was just eating, it was like I was never full up.
47:25I was in this food now, although there's less of it and it's not quite as nice.
47:30It does actually keep you going for longer.
47:46It's the day of the final challenge.
47:49For this, Katie's decided she'd like to prepare a special meal for her family.
47:53Oh my God.
47:55But has she progressed far enough over the last four weeks to be able to sit down with them and clear her plate?
48:02It will be nice that I think I'll feel like more of a grown up because in the past, you know, I've had something different.
48:08But I think because I was sitting down having something quite like grown up, then that's a turning point then and saying goodbye to the way things used to be.
48:16Katie's been provided with the ingredients and recipes for a tomato soup and a chicken dish with vegetables.
48:25I have to say I'm a little bit nervous about sitting down to eat this meal because Katie has never been the best cook in the world.
48:31But we are going to give it a go.
48:34Wait for it to stop attacking me with its fit.
48:37It's been a surprise that she's decided to make a meal because she's never been interested in cooking.
48:42So I think it's been a real challenge for her to get in the kitchen and get stuck here, especially with fresh fruit and veg, you know, to get her hands in there and start making stuff.
48:51Yeah, that's been a bit of a surprise.
48:57I think it's now going to be spicy onions. This is doing wedding. This is a stupid idea.
49:03But forgetting Charlotte's words of advice, it's not long before mum Susan takes the reins from a flustered Katie.
49:09I'll start chopping the vegetables for this.
49:11No, you need to make the soup.
49:12Oh, can't you do it?
49:13No.
49:14I can't.
49:15That's going to be ready in eight minutes to eat.
49:16That chicken meal.
49:17No, but it can stay warm.
49:18It just means in eight minutes it'll be ready.
49:19What's the next thing?
49:20Well, we best do the soup, haven't we, and put it in the blender.
49:23Careful, because it's going to be hot. I'd spoon it in.
49:25As the pressure mounts in the kitchen, Katie takes a breather.
49:30Honestly, I honestly did not think it was going to be this hard and I've been really looking forward to it.
49:35I could happily give up now and go home and let my mum clean up all the mess.
49:39But this is the final challenge and if I don't do this, then I've not passed my final challenge.
49:46Mum, Dad and brother Ben are seated as Katie pulls herself together and serves the first course.
49:53Dun, dun, dun.
49:55Thank you, Katie.
49:56Well done.
49:58Cheers, Katie.
49:59Well done.
50:00Cheers.
50:01Hi, cheers.
50:06Yeah, it's good that, Katie.
50:07This is really tasty, Katie.
50:11Very nice.
50:12Smart.
50:13Her family may like the soup, but it's Katie who has to eat it.
50:17Have you tried it without the bread, yeah?
50:18That's what you need now.
50:19Do you like it, Katie?
50:20I don't know yet.
50:21I don't know yet.
50:22Do you have any bit of bread?
50:23No.
50:24Sure on it, but you know.
50:25It's very, erm...
50:26Smartery.
50:27I'm not majorly liking the taste of it, to be honest, but...
50:40Oh, Katie, you've got to try some properly.
50:42I'm trying it.
50:43Oh, come on.
50:44I'm doing the whole, I'm tasting it.
50:45I'm going to try a spoonful.
50:46No.
50:47Well, try a spoonful at least.
50:48Can you please not?
50:49I've had some.
50:50Right, got some help with the main course.
50:51Ooh!
50:52Bit short to the face.
50:53Quite stunning that Katie made that with her own fair hands.
50:54Yeah, it was really good.
50:55Would have been even better if she'd have eaten some.
50:57I think she's just not trying it properly.
50:58It's still, it's still all in her mind, I think, that.
51:03Unfortunately.
51:04I'm a bit disappointed there that, erm...
51:05I am.
51:06I thought she was going to eat that.
51:07Yeah, I thought she would.
51:08I'm quite surprised she wouldn't try any more, but...
51:09I think she's a bit hot and bothered after being in the kitchen.
51:12So maybe I'll let her off a bit.
51:13But we'll see how she goes on with the main course.
51:14See if she'll eat a bit more of that.
51:15This is chicken.
51:16What kind of chicken?
51:17Made in a pot.
51:19This is what you get.
51:20This is it.
51:21This is it.
51:22This is it.
51:23OK.
51:24Alright.
51:25Well, dig in then.
51:26All right, we'll dig in then.
51:28Let me see.
51:29OK.
51:30Come back.
51:31Come back.
51:32Let me come back.
51:33Let me see.
51:34Let me see.
51:35Alright.
51:36How'd you see...
51:37Can you hear?
51:38Yeah, thanks for my baby.
51:39Yeah, hello.
51:40All right, well, dig in, then.
51:50What do you think of that chicken that's cooked in a sauce?
51:53It's got a zing to it in a better way than the soup.
51:56OK.
51:57Like, this...
51:58Maybe that is just my taste buds or whatever.
52:00You wouldn't be frightened, would you,
52:01of ordering this in the restaurant now?
52:03No, it's really nice to see Kate getting stuck into a meal.
52:10Have you enjoyed it?
52:14I'm not going to lie and say I really like this,
52:16because I don't, but at the same time,
52:19I tried the first mouthful and I thought,
52:22I don't really like that very much.
52:24But I've had 20 more mouthfuls since,
52:28and each one's, like, a bit easier.
52:30And then I think if someone said,
52:33if you said next week are you cooking the exact same meal again,
52:36I'd probably eat 20% more than I ate today.
52:40It's been a really hard struggle for her, this.
52:45It's been a lot tougher than she thought it would be.
52:47And so tonight was a big thing for her.
52:50And she's probably proud of herself in some ways,
52:54but then probably a little bit let down
52:55that she didn't manage to eat more than she did.
52:57If she did what she did tonight in a restaurant,
53:00nobody would really make any fuss in that.
53:02Because everybody, we're focusing on her tonight,
53:04it's been a bit more difficult.
53:05I think tonight it would have been great
53:07if she'd have polished off everything that was put in front of her.
53:10But I think a reality check for me there
53:13is that what she didn't do was run away.
53:15She didn't balk at anything.
53:16She didn't cry.
53:17And she didn't upset anybody else
53:20or ruin the experience for anybody else.
53:22So the fact is, she's trying things.
53:25There's been a lot of times when I felt like just giving up
53:28because it's not the easy thing to do.
53:30But I haven't done and I am proud of the fact that I carried on
53:33and I ate what I wanted to eat,
53:34but I could happily do that again,
53:36maybe eat a little bit more.
53:37And it is, you know,
53:38since the first time they actually got me to try something,
53:41it has just gone upwards since then, really.
53:47One month later, Katie's diet and health are still improving.
53:51She's told her parents about her pregnancy
53:52but wants to set the record straight with Charlotte.
53:56Katie's asked me to come and see her.
53:59I'd be quite interested to see what it is that Katie wants to say
54:02because at times she was quite difficult
54:05and even really kicking her heels back
54:07and it seemed to be a bit of a battle of wills.
54:09And it was quite confusing to deal with,
54:12so I'm intrigued to find out what she's got to say.
54:15Here you are.
54:17Hello.
54:19I know.
54:20Lovely to see you.
54:21How have you been then?
54:23I've been really good.
54:24I thought I'd get you up here to have a bit of a chat, obviously.
54:28I see now, you know,
54:29I could have taken a bit more advice on board
54:31and sort of tried a bit harder.
54:33It was kind of a battle
54:34rather than feeling like I was working together with people,
54:38with you and Felix.
54:39You seem quite shut down at the time
54:41and become almost defensive.
54:43It seemed like you were almost saying what you wanted us to hear,
54:48kind of to make us go away a bit.
54:50I was kind of feeling sickly all the time
54:53and really, really tired
54:54and part of me thought, you know,
54:56if changing my diet for a healthier one, you know,
54:59is going to actually make me feel worse.
55:01But I did think I was going to feel better,
55:03but then I never did.
55:05But then another, you know,
55:07the reason I wanted to sort of bring you up here today
55:09and tell you is that I actually found out just after finishing...
55:13Well, just before my final challenge...
55:16Yeah.
55:16..that I'm actually expecting a baby.
55:19You're joking!
55:21No.
55:21So all that time you were pregnant?
55:23Yes, the whole time.
55:25So obviously, all the symptoms that go along with being pregnant,
55:29they're feeling sick and they're sort of being a bit fed up,
55:32and this, you know, all those things were happening.
55:36What timing!
55:37I mean, you know, sustaining a pregnancy
55:39and having a baby with the diet you were on
55:42would have been not a good idea, to say the least.
55:47It's quite scary, actually.
55:48Oh, yeah.
55:49I've just managed to sort it out just in time.
55:51But I've actually had, like, you know, had my scan now and...
55:54Have you got a picture?
55:56Yeah.
55:57It's a dinky little picture!
55:59That was it.
56:00Wow.
56:01And when the baby is born,
56:04obviously I've got a lot of work to do,
56:06making sure that baby eats better than I did.
56:09Oh, thank you, Katie.
56:11No problem.
56:12It was lovely to see you.
56:14It was nice to see you, too.
56:16Wow, what a revelation.
56:17That explains so much about how she was feeling
56:21and about how she was reacting through the whole process.
56:25I'm really pleased for her,
56:27and I hope that she can make even more changes
56:30because it's such a crucial time for her and her baby.
56:34I wish her the best of luck.
56:39I wish her the best of luck than I did.
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