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Another day and another discussion about expectations surrounding the Dolphins. Josh Appel joins Hoch in dismissing the notion that the Dolphins are a bad football team.
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00:00josh appell i have a lot of stuff to talk about regarding the dolphins first of all would you
00:06give to any run tomorrow in the preseason game too yeah i'd like to see him again for another
00:11series or two why what about what solana and crowd are saying yeah why like what i like it
00:19just more reps to me are are good reps but i mean there's the downside obviously that oh he could
00:25get hurt but that's the case in practice that's the case in a regular season game that's the case
00:31anywhere i i don't really find that to be a good explanation or a good reason not to play him
00:37i'm not saying you play him for a full half but i'd like to see him again for uh another another
00:42drive but i i could see i want to see kenneth grant i want to you know like i want to see
00:48fortunately tua and kenneth grant play different positions so you should be able to see kenneth
00:52grant in a bigger situation to get hurt like i think i'm going the other way with it like what
00:58does tua need to prove you need to see him throw a slant you need to see him throw a deep ball like
01:03you just want to see tua selfishly or do you think he needs to be out there i don't think he needs to
01:10be out there well i'll say this i don't think he should play in both of the next two games i'd like
01:17to see him i know you guys were talking about how we're probably not going to see tyreek or waddle again
01:21this week if those two are healthy enough to maybe give it a go in game three then i'd like
01:26to see to have his second uh round of reps in the preseason i think to your point i'm not going to
01:34lose sleep if tua doesn't play uh against detroit this weekend i don't need to see him throwing again
01:42to malik washington uh like you said i'd like to see him uh with tyreek and waddle so if those two are
01:47available for the third game then i'd like to yeah you know what now that because solana had
01:52said you know you have him out there with the the reserves maybe you save him for the home crowd
01:57because there's only one home preseason game that actually makes some sense hey tua we'll we'll keep
02:02you on the bench this one but jaylen and tyreek will be back and we'll give the the home crowd a
02:08little something to cheer for against jacksonville maybe that's the maybe that's the play um we we've
02:14talked plenty during the week with plenty of different writers and reporters and i wonder
02:18where you stand and then i saw an article today in the palm beach post from joe shad and the headline
02:25is miami dolphins low national expectations have reached laughable levels and i'm so down with this
02:34and people you know i i read the youtube comments people think i am insane for thinking positive
02:41things about the dolphins but i'm with joe shad he writes the negativity has gone too far
02:46usa today predicts the miami dolphins to finish 5 and 12 sports illustrated predicts the dolphins to
02:53finish 6 and 11 the dolphins are heavily favored to miss the playoffs in 2025 at the hard rock bet app
03:00miami is plus 220 to make the playoffs that means a wager of 100 wins 220 if they're one of seven
03:07afc teams to qualify consider miami made the postseason in each of mike mcdaniel's first two
03:14seasons he says miami's one poor joint practice with the lions became national news the dolphins have
03:22been scrutinized and belittled on such platforms as espn fox sports and nfl network he goes on and on
03:30and on that's kind of how i feel what are we doing here josh with what i consider to be a pretty
03:35talent laden team laden team i don't really get it either because you look at how they finished last
03:42season they started the year two and six obviously they finished the year six and three six and two if
03:48you want to leave out the the bs uh week 18 game where they were playing for something but weren't
03:53really playing for something and it was tyler huntley they finished the year on a pretty high note
03:58after a tumultuous beginning to the season the problem is is the caveat is always all right
04:06if everybody stays healthy then this team can be a playoff team again and that's a pretty big if
04:11with the players that they're relying on to stay healthy but i'm with you like i was so exhausted
04:18by the two days of joint practices with the lions like we're overreacting to
04:24a practice in the first two weeks of august and then the next day seemingly goes better and it's
04:30crickets from everybody who was uh crying the day before let's just take a deep breath let's get to
04:36week one let's see how they are through the first month of the season and let's have some patience
04:41like i just feel like a lot of this stuff is just all right we have to have something to talk about
04:45right because to your point and to what joe shad was saying and omar kelly as well i know he had
04:51said something publicly on twitter as well about it almost feels like people are rooting for
04:55this team to be bad this year on paper they're really good when two is healthy they're a really
05:01good team i don't get it i read i read the the warren sharp thread last week uh when mike mcdaniel
05:08and two at song of aloa are both out there mcdaniel's always out there but when two is out there and
05:12they're together they're 25 and 13 over a 38 game stretch granted i know they're not great against
05:17teams that are above 500 i think the record's like 6 and 11 and maybe they are in this weird
05:22purgatory where they were with ryan tannahill and they have been for the last 25 years save for a
05:28season here and a season there but when they're when they've got all their guys in the field like
05:33i don't see why this team can't win 10 games and at the very least and get into a wild card spot i know
05:39the schedule is tough but i still think if they have their guys out there that's a tough matchup for
05:44anybody in the league i agree 100 i love joe shad's article today because i do find it funny
05:49that everybody in the national media is just saying like basically this team is going to self combust at
05:55some point this year which i find bizarre full disclosure guys gonna tell you this later i bet
06:00the dolphins to make the playoffs i did it this morning because i like that bet it's at plus 375 for
06:06them to make the playoffs however josh with that being said here's where i'm at because you said hey
06:10this team last year they got two back they were six and three i'm with you when they're healthy
06:15they're a good team but i thought this year good wasn't the standard i thought this year they were
06:23supposed to go beat the elite teams like i genuinely thought coming into this year steven ross puts out
06:30that that memo that the status quo won't be good enough this year so i was expecting a roster that
06:36was going to be able to go compete with the teams that they've been unable to beat over the past
06:42couple years even when healthy and it doesn't appear like that is the expectation anymore we're
06:49kind of just saying hey they're going to be good if they're healthy again but we've seen good if
06:53they're healthy and it wasn't good enough to beat the bills the chiefs the ravens the texans so on and
06:57so on so that's that's where i'm at here and i wonder where you're at which is are we okay with this
07:03soft reset and not expecting playoff victories plural and if if that's the expectation fine but
07:11i was i'm confused because i was expecting coming into this season something totally different i think
07:16that's totally fair i also think like we're taking steven ross like a little too literally there like
07:22what what else is he gonna say right i feel like that's been his mo the entire time he's been the
07:28owner with the dolphins but yeah like i think that's a completely fair way to feel if i were you
07:32but i'd also say like the dolphins went to buffalo last year in the beginning of november and lost on
07:39what was it like a 61 yard field goal or something like that from tyler bass and jordan poyer had a
07:43really bad penalty late that put them in range at least to make that kick they've gone to buffalo a
07:48couple of times over the last few seasons and nearly won i remember the snow game in the playoffs
07:53with skylar thompson despite how terrible he was in that game last year of course um losing 30 to 27
07:59the problem is i don't know if it's a problem but like they are perennially like a bounce or two
08:05away from being an 11 win team and then a bounce or two away from being an eight or nine win team
08:10and i think that's the frustrating part i don't think they're as far off as people are making it seem
08:16but they're very clearly not one of the top tier contenders in the league they're like fringe second
08:24tier i would say um because they've got a fringe like top 10 quarterback and that's just kind of
08:30where they're at um i don't think like i hear all right well they got to win the play they got to win
08:36a game in the playoffs for the season to be a success and i don't disagree with that but i think
08:40it matters to like how they look if they make the playoffs and lose in that first game like if they go
08:46on the road to kansas city or they go on the road to baltimore or buffalo and they lose a heartbreaker
08:50in the fourth quarter am i really going to be pounding the table to fire mike mcdaniel probably
08:54not but if they go and they get their doors blown off and they look like they do where they can't
08:58run the ball in the middle they can't they're out physicaled once again i think then that that's time
09:02to have that conversation but like again to make these sweeping uh definitive this is what they're
09:08going to be i don't see the five games they're going to win five games like i just i don't understand
09:13that they're a lot better than that i know we've beaten that drum for a long time the last
09:17month or so um leading into the season let me push back a little bit on hawk and because you say
09:24this roster this roster is great because we've already been i'm in tampa now but it's personal
09:29but i've been to philly detroit green bay india atlanta pittsburgh and la on this little podcast
09:35training camp tour that we do and the thought is like they have two really good receivers a really
09:43good quarterback well i'll call two a really good a patchwork offensive line no tight end
09:50a little bitty running back that's kind of a slot receiver like i don't think the league respects this
09:57roster like like hawk does that's fair but don't you think a chance better than just a little bitty
10:03running back who like is a slot receiver like i think he's pretty good i think the offensive line
10:09is improved and improved but their patchwork and then defensively i'm with you if you give me a
10:1623 year old bradley chubb you give me a healthy jalen phillips a healthy chop robinson a healthy
10:23zach c like if you give me a healthy front four it's it would be on paper one of the best front
10:28fours bradley chubb got a big ass knee brace on every practice jalen phillips has never been healthy
10:35i think they look at and we know the secondary struggles i'm actually impressed more with the
10:39linebackers than any other position when i went and watched the camp i i think we value and i'm
10:45not i don't want to put names i think we value their roster more than people around the league does
10:51well i i think that's where it stems from but i would submit to you going back to the offense how
10:56about i throw in a recently retired tight end who may or may not be in game shape
11:01huh and i watched him stand around at 6 6 250 looking beautiful with tattoos all over his body
11:09but his ass was over there with me we were drinking gatorade together
11:13how's he doing you want a blue or an orange i'll take a blue see okay here you blue okay here goes
11:19blue no i look that quote unquote lack of respect i guess is earned just because of the perception
11:27outside of miami honestly with a lot of people in miami i think it you know when you have players
11:32like jalen ramsey go on you know these podcasts and take hot shots at their former head coaches i mean
11:39yeah that that's going to breed some of that um there's no name linebacker from the lions who is
11:45talking about how the dolphins uh are going to come in there and they're going to dominate them
11:49which happened on the first day like that just breeds the uh the narrative that they are not
11:55as good as we might think they it's what hawk and i actually ended on this on friday it's because every
12:02time they're on national television when everybody's watching something catastrophic happens something
12:07embarrassing happens and that's just the narrative it's it's the dolphins and i guess you know part of
12:11that is earned because every time they do get that get on that stage those things do tend to happen
12:16but like on a week-to-week basis like leading into those national games like i'm seeing a team that
12:22can compete with anybody in this league but it's when they get up to that when when the bright lights
12:26come on and they're on amazon prime or monday night football or sunday night football theme things
12:32always seem to go uh a little haywire put in a super bowl bet solana i mean just uh follow uh my and
12:41uh in a pal's lead here okay i don't want to be the negative guy but i think i gotta be the
12:46negative guy because this this and that's fine like you don't think they're a playoff team first
12:50and that's all i'm saying is you don't you don't think that they're a wild card team i think they're
12:55exactly what they've been a five and 12 is crazy that's crazy six and 11 is crazy six and 11 i say
13:02it's crazy eight and nine nine and eight make the wild card and get their ass whooped they're good
13:07i think we're the same i think we're the same as what we've been only an eight win team then it's
13:13the most inept coaching staff in you cannot have as much talent as they have because whether you want
13:21to say that the national writers think they're talented or not you cannot they're not uh devoid
13:27of talent they're not so when they're an eight win team it's the worst coaching staff in the in
13:34in the history of football what about a nine nine and eight yeah a winning season they are a winning
13:41season uh uh roster wise they are two nine nine and eight and nine and eight and get the ass whooped
13:49in the wild card that's not okay he's gang has been here too long getting to the right but getting
13:55to the playoffs the season after you didn't get to the playoffs is improvement but i just again like
14:01when there were no expectations for this team and when they were running an offense out of a manila
14:06folder with a octogen an octogenarian at offensive coordinator nailed it on the third try well said
14:13thank you so the octagon was running who octagon was running a hexagon yeah uh breathing what
14:21i don't know whatever uh it was 13 and eight his first two years and they're running an offense
14:26inside of a phone booth yeah right he's a good player when he's on the field they win games
14:31when he's on the field i mean that's just what it comes down to every year with this team
14:35can two stay on the field when he does they win when he doesn't they're terrible he's right well i i just
14:42i i know nobody wants to hear this because i i it's almost like becoming repetitive but i think what
14:48crowder and i are at is okay yes they win but win what and i think that that's that's the divide here
14:55in my opinion the the dolphins fans who genuinely want this team to lose are just wackos like whatever
15:01but i'm talking about expectations if two was on the field with mike mcdaniel they are good
15:07and i think hawk is right and appell you're right but what we're saying is good enough for what and
15:13if and if just making the playoffs is the standard it's not the standard but it's the next step you you
15:20you keep getting those confused and it's like no the stand i mean the standard for any professional
15:26sports organization is winning championships like that's the the reality but you don't go from not
15:31making the playoffs to winning a super bowl what if i add this context to you hawk last year was
15:37an anomaly in the mike mcdaniel era to what was hurt okay but this year that won't happen right like
15:44that that's that's what they're banking on that's not going to happen so you should pick up where you
15:47left off in 2023 right win a playoff game and 2023 was making the playoffs so this year should be not
15:55just be a winning team win 10 games make the wild card it should be pick up where you left off in
16:012023 to go go narrow the gap between you and the teams that have kept you from winning a playoff game
16:08totally agree okay 2023 we keep bringing up put last year out of the window 2023 2023 they go 11 and 6
16:152023 2023 two it goes to the pro bowl 2023 they go to the wild card get their doors blown off by
16:23kansas city very cold okay hold on but now no look at who the pass rushers were they were going to play
16:29my home the weather guys who were retired the weather the bruce ervin delvin ingram very cold
16:35teron armstead said humans should not have played football in that way we're still talking about the
16:40temperature during game time and not the results of the game i'm talking about who was
16:45out there for the dolphins and i'm talking about the temperature because that's why they lost
16:49tool was there you're saying if two was there we're good i'm not in that temperature austin jackson's
16:56already hurt leon meichenberg i don't want him to play he's hurt well we don't have a tight end
17:02julian hill's gonna lose three games for us just jumping off sides you ever had a nice hot cheeseburger
17:08we'll try to eat that cheeseburger while it's ice cold it ain't the same experience
17:14is that cheeseburger i ordered a naked cheeseburger for lunch today that's ridiculous it's just a meat
17:21patty sitting on the plate yeah that's ridiculous i thought it'd be more to it i didn't know i thought
17:26it'd be items on there or something it was meat on my grandma used to serve me like a cheeseburger
17:32just like a cheeseburger on a plate and i don't think she knew that they sold buns it was seasons
17:3852 and i thought it was cute like naked cheeseburger i didn't know what it was but i ordered it carb you
17:43know if you're watching your carbs it was just a it was a patty on the plate yeah ridiculous yeah
17:50you're in uh lettuce bun or something you're in tampa and you didn't go to portillo's you went to
17:55season's 52 what are you even doing i was saving money on the um ubers because i didn't want to uber
18:02so i just walked across the street ah okay fair enough all right we gotta go josh chapelle we love
18:07you i love you and uh more hockman crowder and solana next
18:11you
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