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On the 50th anniversary of the Emergency, a political debate has erupted. The BJP observed it as 'Samvidhan Hathya Divas', with Prime Minister Modi and Home Minister Amit Shah condemning it as the darkest chapter in Indian democracy.
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00:06newsmakers, talking points. Tonight, the big talking point. 50 years ago, around this very time,
00:12emergency was declared in the country. Is there a blot forever? The darkest day in our democracy?
00:19Indira Gandhi, Durga dictator or democrat? That's going to be our big talking point on the news
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00:46the Prime Minister's book, calls it the darkest chapter of Indian democracy. Congress hits back,
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03:03June 25th, 1975.
03:08Emergency declared before midnight.
03:11India's first brush with authoritarianism.
03:18Opposition jailed.
03:21Thousands detained.
03:25Fundamental rights suspended.
03:31Newspapers censored.
03:35Free speech muzzled.
03:36Indira Gandhi.
03:41Durga or dictator.
03:47Our top story.
03:49It's been 50 years today since the Indira Gandhi government declared an emergency on June 25th, 1975.
03:58Unveiling the darkest era in India's post-independence democracy.
04:02The BJP used the occasion to organize what they called was Samvidan Hathya Divas.
04:09Prime Minister Modi, who was among the protesters and activists arrested during the emergency, said no Indian will ever forget the manner in which the spirit of the constitution was violated.
04:19And his cabinet passed a resolution today commemorating the sacrifices of individuals who resisted it.
04:25The Congress hit back, claiming that there is an undeclared emergency in the country now, which is far more dangerous.
04:34As the political battle escalates, that's going to be our top focus.
04:38Take a look at this report.
04:4050 years later, the ghosts of emergency still haunt Indian politics.
04:52The union cabinet on Wednesday adopted a resolution condemning the emergency and observed a two-minute silence in memory of the emergency victims.
05:01The union cabinet reaffirmed that the people of India continue to repose unflinching faith in the Indian constitution and the resilience of the country's democratic ethos.
05:16As India marked the 50th anniversary of emergency, proclamation by Indira Gandhi, the BJP observed the day as Samvidhan Hathya Divas.
05:30Prime Minister Narendra Modi led the attack, launching a blistering attack on the Congress, setting the tone for his party colleagues.
05:38Prime Minister Narendra Modi
06:08Prime Minister Narendra Modi
06:12Whom Minister Narendra, calling emergency the darkest chapter in India's history, flagged off the BJP's democracy yatra.
06:19Prime Minister Narendra Modi
06:49The emergency diaries and account of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's experiences during the emergency was also unveiled.
06:59The Congress hit back at the BJP, accusing them of attempts to rewrite the constitution.
07:04Prime Minister Narendra Modi
07:05During the emergency, over one lakh people were detained by an authoritarian government.
07:34which misused internal security for its own political agenda and jailed opposition leaders and voices of dissent.
07:43Thousands were forced police terrorised, the press censored and slums demolished.
07:50The emergency, a blot on Indian democracy, still casts a cloud on the Congress.
07:59Even after 50 years, the BJP uses it to corner the Grand Old Party, which accuses the Modi government of misusing institutions to suppress opposition.
08:10There are lessons to be learned from the dark period of emergency that lasted 21 months.
08:18But have we?
08:19Bureau Report, India Today.
08:21Among the many who was arrested during the emergency was senior BJP RSS leader Seshadri Chari.
08:32I caught up with him to find out what the emergency was like.
08:36And joining me now is veteran BJP RSS leader Seshadri Chari, himself a former editor of the organiser and someone who went to prison, Arthur Road Jail, for six months during the emergency.
08:56Appreciate your joining us, Mr. Chari.
08:58On the 50th anniversary of the emergency, what are your prime recollections of those dark days when you were a young RSS activist?
09:08There were dark days, no doubt about it.
09:11But I have mixed feelings.
09:13Actually, I was just 22, 23 at that time.
09:18Still just out of the college.
09:21And I was pursuing my LLB at that time.
09:25So, it was fun, actually, working against the government.
09:32There was a ban on RSS.
09:34So, there was no shaka, nothing.
09:36So, we used to, you know, write pamphlets, print pamphlets, and then distribute pamphlets.
09:44All these things were going on.
09:46But I, being a South Indian family, Tamilian family, staying in Mattunga, probably the police did not imagine that I could be part of the RSS.
09:59So, I was not a suspect.
10:02I was not a candidate for MISA or DRI.
10:06But later on, we organized Satyagraha and I was supposed to be, you know, like, translating and getting printed material against emergency.
10:17And if you remember, Tamil Nadu government was, DMK government in Tamil Nadu was against emergency.
10:24That was dismissed after that.
10:25But then, there was a time when we could get things printed there.
10:30So, this was, I mean, this was going on.
10:32So, it was a fight against a government.
10:37But we were quite strong against a government at that time.
10:41I was part of the Satyagraha.
10:45And you were arrested for, and you were arrested, and you were arrested for the Satyagraha or for printing these pamphlets against the government?
10:55Why was Sashadri, why were you and many activists like you arrested?
11:00I, actually, what happened was, there was a Satyagraha which we were planning.
11:04We had planned a Satyagraha in a fort area.
11:06If you, since you are from Mumbai, you know the fountain area.
11:11That was the place, bang, opposite times of India, we wanted a Satyagraha to happen.
11:16So, we were organizing it.
11:18And I was the one who was organizing that particular Satyagraha and giving them pamphlets and then distributing and all that.
11:25So, I was not supposed to be part of Satyagraha, but somehow some people got messed up and I had to intervene.
11:33And at that time of intervention, I was arrested.
11:36So, what happened was, because I was treated as a Satyagraha, I mean like we were all put in the Arthur Road jail, and then there was an ordinary case of violation of 144 and such things.
11:51And after six months, we were let off.
11:54But there were people who were targeted because they were RSS workers, they were put under MISA, they were put under Defense of India Rules, and they were ill-treated.
12:06These things have happened, but even in Arthur Road jail.
12:09But, you know, Mr. Chari, there are two views on the RSS's role.
12:18There are those who believe that the RSS was taking on Indira Gandhi and the emergency.
12:24In fact, congressmen from the time accused the RSS of spreading anarchy before 1975 by targeting the Indira Gandhi government.
12:32And then there are others who say the RSS leadership was very keen on a compromise with Indira Gandhi and never really wanted to speak out against the emergency because they didn't want to go to prison.
12:44Which is the true story?
12:46Was the RSS ready to compromise with Indira Gandhi on the emergency or was the RSS defiant and taking on Indira Gandhi?
12:52See, both are not true, to tell you very frankly. Emergency had nothing to do with RSS.
12:59If you remember in 1971, after the elections, Indira Gandhi, there was a clean sweep for Indira Gandhi.
13:06And that time, the Jansang leader was Balraj Madhok, who even, he, you know, he started this ink business.
13:15There was an ink that disappears and all those things happened. I don't want to go into those details now. You know better.
13:25After that was the 71 war, the liberation of Bangladesh. RSS was one of the biggest supporters of Indira Gandhi at that time.
13:33Jansang was one of the biggest supporters of Indira Gandhi at that time.
13:38Jansang and RSS were in the forefront asking Mrs. Indira Gandhi to recognize Bangladesh and liberate Bangladesh.
13:45And then when she did it, she fought against the might of a country like America at that time.
13:51So, we were actually happy with, RSS was happy with Mrs. Indira Gandhi.
13:55It was after that, when the Jaiprakash Narayan movement started, that was a political movement.
14:01And which is very obviously, when there are political parties, they would join hands with Jaiprakash Narayan.
14:08And that Samagra Kranti, Samya Kranti, Samagra Kranti, all those things started.
14:14And then Navanirman Samiti, if you remember, it started from Gujarat at that time.
14:19The first revolution or anti-Indira Gandhi problem started there.
14:24And many congressmen were against her.
14:28People like Chandrasekhar, Mohan Darya, they were all against her.
14:33So, it was actually to save her own chair, save her own position as the prime minister, she declared emergency.
14:42RSS had nothing to do with emergency.
14:44So, you're saying that the RSS's role was to support Jaiprakash Narayan, who the congress claims was trying to create anarchy in the country by asking for the army to rebel.
15:00You believe all of, you believe the real reason though was Indira Gandhi trying to protect her chair above all else.
15:06You don't accept that Jaiprakash Narayan's total revolution or Sampoorna Kranti, all of it was designed actually to topple Indira Gandhi.
15:15And therefore, she brought in emergency to save the chair.
15:18Probably without declaring emergency if she had allowed.
15:22If you remember at that time, George Fernandez had called for railway strike.
15:28And that was one of the most successful railway strike at that time.
15:33So, all these factors combined, but if these factors in a scale of 1 to 10, if they were 5, the real factors that affected her was opposition from her own party.
15:49So, she had to do that.
15:51So, emergency, 50% of emergency was for people like Jaiprakash Narayan and Jansung at that time.
15:57The rest of the 50% of the emergency was for her own party.
16:02I don't think that was the fear.
16:05But tell me, Mr.
16:06Probably, in hindsight.
16:08But tell me, Mr. Chari, do you see Indira Gandhi as Durga as some were calling her after the Bangladesh war?
16:19Or do you see her as a dictator as many saw her after the emergency?
16:24Which is the real Indira Gandhi according to you?
16:26The Durga or the dictator?
16:29In fact, Atal B. Arivajvi later on told me,
16:32I didn't know how to say Durga, but I didn't know how to say Durga is after me.
16:38So, anyway, yeah, I think there are two Indira Gandhis.
16:42Or several Indira Gandhis.
16:45One was the 1971 Indira Gandhi.
16:47The political Indira Gandhi who said,
16:51So, she swept the polls.
16:57So, she could, you know, very efficiently coin slogans and win elections.
17:02Garibi is still there.
17:04But she won on the election of Garibi Hattow.
17:06She stood against the might of America.
17:08That was something absolutely great.
17:11And she broke the back of Pakistan by creating Bangladesh.
17:15So, that is one Indira Gandhi.
17:17Again, she was greedy enough to perpetuate her own power,
17:23remain in political power,
17:24remain as the prime minister,
17:26probably for life.
17:28And that was something that she could never forego.
17:31And she had a soft corner for Sanjay Gandhi.
17:34All these factors put together makes her a very complex personality.
17:40You cannot put Indira Gandhi under one particular box.
17:48You know, that's very interesting the way you are putting it.
17:51Because today there are a lot of people who draw parallels,
17:54there I say, between Indira Gandhi and Narendra Modi.
17:56And they say that in 2025, India has an undeclared emergency.
18:00Indira Gandhi declared an emergency,
18:02suspended parliament and constitutional rights.
18:06They argue that today there is also an undeclared emergency.
18:10Institutions are misused.
18:11Media is misused.
18:13And there is almost a personality cult around one person,
18:18like there was around Indira Gandhi,
18:20when Devkan Barua said,
18:21India is Indira and Indira is India.
18:23Do you believe that there is any parallel that one can draw
18:26between 1975 and 2025?
18:30Rajdeep, had there been even 1% of emergency
18:33that was there in 1975 today,
18:36I don't think you will be doing a show like this.
18:40The fact that we are all talking about the prime minister,
18:43the fact that we are criticising the prime minister,
18:46the fact that the media is free to write
18:48whatever they want about the prime minister,
18:50so the fact that people like you and there are,
18:52I don't want to name some of them,
18:54who had written books against prime minister
18:56and got it published.
19:00I mean, there is no comparison.
19:02There is no comparison at all.
19:03Sir, let me clarify on that one point.
19:07I have not written a book against,
19:08no, no, no, no, Mr. Chari,
19:10I have not written a book against the prime minister,
19:13but I have criticised him where it is necessary
19:16and I have also praised him where it is necessary.
19:19So, you know, let me clarify that, but go ahead.
19:22Yeah, fine.
19:23So, I take back.
19:24I know.
19:26But see, Rajdeep,
19:28the kind of freedom that we enjoy today,
19:29you cannot compare this kind of situation
19:32with emergency at all.
19:33Emergency, those who have seen emergency,
19:36I mean, there were people who were trained to suspect.
19:39People would suspect brothers
19:40and would suspect another brother.
19:42Political parties,
19:43people within the political parties
19:45would be suspecting one another.
19:47I have,
19:47I know so many Congress people
19:49who used to openly say
19:51that this is the darkest period.
19:54Congress people in that time.
19:56I mean, there were a lot of people
19:57in the Congress party at that time also.
20:00So, the only people,
20:01even CPI,
20:04Dange's Communist Party of India
20:06was a supporter of Mrs. Indira Gandhi
20:08and her emergency at that time.
20:10CPM was against.
20:12But CPM people were in the jail
20:14along with Jansang and other people.
20:16But CPI was not there,
20:19but even CPI people used to secretly tell us
20:22that this emergency has to go,
20:24there is no freedom.
20:25That was the kind of situation.
20:27Even CPI papers were closed.
20:29CPM papers were of course closed.
20:30Organizer was closed.
20:32Motherland was closed.
20:34There was no freedom of the press.
20:36There was censorship.
20:37The kind of situation
20:38that existed in 1975
20:40cannot be imagined
20:41by the people
20:42who are now
20:43criticizing the government
20:44and comparing them
20:46with emergency.
20:46Not at all.
20:48There is no shred of comparison.
20:50Not at all.
20:50Okay, there you have Seshadri Echari
20:55recollecting emergency 1975.
20:58Do not compare, he says,
21:0075 to 2025.
21:02But let me raise the big question now.
21:04What are the real lessons of the emergency
21:06that we should learn 50 years later?
21:08Is it fair to compare 1975 with 2025?
21:12Indira Gandhi, Durga, dictator or democrat?
21:14And why didn't the media
21:16at the time fight back?
21:18And what is the media's role today?
21:20Those are some of the questions
21:21that I've posed.
21:23Let's go straight to our face-off.
21:24So let's take those questions forward
21:28on this 50th anniversary
21:30of the emergency
21:31with two guests.
21:32Senior journalists
21:33who were both student activists
21:35in a way in 1975.
21:37I'm joined by Prabhu Chawla,
21:39editorial director now
21:40at the New Indian Express,
21:42but at the time
21:42was ABBP's vice president
21:44here in New Delhi.
21:46And Dr. Sanjay Bharu,
21:47who was at JNU at the time.
21:49Remember, he went on
21:51to become an author, editor,
21:53and also was press secretary
21:56to the former prime minister,
21:58Dr. Manmohan Singh.
21:59Appreciate both of you joining us.
22:01I want both of you to tell me,
22:04do you believe 50 years later,
22:06how do you see the emergency?
22:08A dark day for Indian democracy
22:10is how you see it, Sanjay Bharu?
22:12Or do you believe that 50 years later,
22:16the darkness has been lifted?
22:19Well, I think certainly
22:21it was a dark day
22:22for Indian democracy.
22:24I don't think anybody
22:24would dispute that.
22:26I think the fact is
22:28that we are also now
22:30living through difficult times
22:31as far as Indian democracy
22:33is concerned.
22:34So one could say that,
22:36you know,
22:36from those dark days,
22:38we came into the sunshine
22:39of the post-emergency period,
22:42especially from 1980
22:43until 2014.
22:46We had a long period
22:46of genuine freedom
22:48in this country.
22:50And I think in the last 10 years,
22:51particularly,
22:52we have seen
22:52a certain restriction
22:54of those freedoms.
22:55But one thing
22:56I would like to add,
22:58Rajdeep,
22:59we go back to that period.
23:00It was certainly a dark period.
23:02I mean,
23:02the kind of restrictions
23:03on press freedom,
23:05the restrictions on,
23:06you know,
23:06all other kinds of organization,
23:08political activity,
23:09et cetera.
23:10I mean,
23:10unheard of.
23:11But I think what very few people
23:13these days appreciate
23:14is the kind of context
23:17within which
23:17a lot of this happened.
23:19There was certainly
23:21great concern
23:22in India
23:24about what was happening
23:25around in the world.
23:26In some ways,
23:27it's a parallel
23:27to what's happening today.
23:30Don't forget
23:30that Salvador Allende
23:32was assassinated.
23:33Several Latin American leaders
23:35were assassinated.
23:37In Iran,
23:38there was a coup.
23:39The Shah was brought in.
23:40So it was a period
23:42in which the West
23:43was trying to stage
23:44what these days
23:45we call
23:46color revolutions.
23:47But those are
23:47essentially regime changes
23:49all over the world.
23:50And I think
23:51when we read now
23:52a lot of the writings
23:53of that period,
23:54it's clear that
23:55there was enormous
23:56nervousness
23:57in the political leadership
23:59which we should not forget.
24:02But suddenly
24:02it was the dark days.
24:04You know,
24:04the nervousness
24:05in the political leadership
24:06doesn't justify
24:08the suspension
24:08of constitutional rights
24:10or the clampdown
24:11on media freedom.
24:13I'm going to come back
24:13to some of the things
24:14you've said,
24:15Dr. Baru,
24:15in a moment.
24:15But I want to bring in
24:16Prabhu Chawla.
24:17Dr. Baru is trying
24:18to give a context
24:19to the emergency.
24:20He's also in some way
24:21suggesting that
24:22even today
24:23there are remnants
24:24of the emergency,
24:25particularly,
24:26let's say,
24:27in the clampdown.
24:27He seems to believe
24:28on media freedoms
24:30and other freedoms.
24:31There are others
24:32who say you cannot compare
24:33what happened
24:33in 1975 with today.
24:35That was,
24:36at the end of the day,
24:37journalists being thrown
24:38into jail.
24:38You spent a day
24:40in a police lockup.
24:41Very different
24:42to the situation today
24:44or are we going
24:45to now call today
24:45undeclared emergency
24:47as the Congress
24:47is calling it
24:48and a declared emergency
24:49by Indira?
24:50Your memories,
24:52Prabhu?
24:56I would like
24:57to disconnect
24:57present from the past
24:58and I would not like
25:00to have an irrelevant
25:01context to put
25:02to the emergency
25:02which Dr. Baru
25:03is trying to put.
25:04He's trying to tell
25:05what was happening
25:05around the world
25:06was happening
25:06in India
25:07because of that.
25:08I totally disagree.
25:10It wasn't a dark day.
25:11It was the darkest
25:12possible day
25:13in the Indian democracy.
25:15The worst could not
25:16have happened so far.
25:16It never happened again
25:17it seems.
25:18So I would say
25:19it was the darkest period
25:20of Indian democracy
25:21in which people
25:21were picked up
25:22from home
25:22in the midnight.
25:23Leaders were
25:24going well ahead
25:26of it
25:26because how can
25:27in one day
25:27you can arrest
25:28everybody
25:28whosoever,
25:29wherever he was at?
25:30It was tracking
25:31all the leaders
25:32whether it was
25:32in Bangalore
25:34or the one who was
25:34somewhere else
25:35they had addresses
25:36they had everything
25:37in right.
25:37So it means
25:38preparation for the emergency
25:39was much ahead
25:40of when the day
25:41it was imposed.
25:42Everybody was arrested
25:43in one day.
25:44Everybody was picked up
25:45from newspaper
25:45was locked up
25:46in one day.
25:47Bureaucracy
25:47was shifted
25:47in the same day.
25:49So I would say
25:49emergency was imposed
25:51after a proper planning
25:53at the level
25:54of the Prime Minister's office.
25:55It was the darkest day
25:56in which the Prime Minister's office
25:58was misused
25:58which was never
25:59had been done
26:00until it was possible.
26:01I would like to put
26:02in my way
26:03the way I will tell you
26:04because on that day
26:05I attended
26:05the Jai Prakash rally
26:07in Lamrila ground.
26:09Arun J.T.
26:09who was then
26:09the president
26:10of Delhi University
26:11and he was with me.
26:12I went to his house
26:13on that day.
26:14I drove him
26:15on my scooter
26:16to his house.
26:17In the night
26:17police came to my house
26:19in Jandunapar
26:19where I was staying.
26:20He did not come
26:21to our J.T. Lee's house.
26:24In the morning
26:24when we went
26:25to the university
26:26I took him
26:26to the university
26:27because we were protesting.
26:28We got a message
26:28we have to protest
26:29against Mrs. Gandhi.
26:30We went to the university.
26:31And the lady
26:33was leading his delegation.
26:35He was protesting
26:36with along
26:36hundreds of the students
26:38including Vijay Goyal.
26:39And I was sitting
26:40on the scooter
26:40and the police came.
26:42He tried to run away.
26:43But I drove the scooter away.
26:45He became
26:45the most prominent minister
26:47in the government of India.
26:48I became a leader
26:49of India today.
26:50So that's the history.
26:50But the way it has happened.
26:51So you are saying
26:53it was planned
26:55in some Pahadganj area
26:56and my wife
26:57my wife
26:58you are saying
26:59it was completely planned
27:00because how can
27:01pick up everybody
27:02in the midnight time?
27:04Right.
27:04So you know
27:04Sanjay Baru
27:05when you hear that
27:06from Prabhu Chawla
27:07the fact is
27:09therefore
27:10that Indira Gandhi
27:11at least in that period
27:12will be seen
27:13as a dictator.
27:14There are those
27:15who today are asking
27:16was she Durga?
27:17Was she a dictator?
27:18Was she a democrat?
27:19Was she a victor?
27:20Of all three?
27:21But in that period
27:22the manner in which
27:23she acted
27:23whatever the context
27:25surely positions herself
27:27as the dictator
27:29of India
27:30in 1975?
27:32I don't disagree
27:34with Prabhu.
27:35Actually I agree.
27:36I did say
27:36it was the darkest chapter.
27:38But I think
27:39in looking back
27:40at the past
27:41given that we are
27:4250 years behind us
27:43one must
27:45also understand
27:46the context.
27:47And secondly
27:47one must also understand
27:49what is happening
27:49around today
27:50because
27:50that was a period
27:51in which
27:52the democracy
27:53was being challenged
27:54in much more brutal
27:55and direct ways.
27:56No but
27:56Dr. Baru
27:58when you say
27:59we must understand
28:00what is happening
28:01today
28:01a program like this
28:02where I am asking
28:03you these questions
28:04could not have been done
28:05between 1975
28:06June and January
28:071977
28:08there are still people
28:09who may question
28:10this government.
28:12I completely agree
28:13with that.
28:14But Rajdeep
28:15I think
28:16you know
28:16to look at
28:17that period
28:18in purely
28:19black and white
28:19terms
28:20and look at
28:21what is happening
28:22today
28:22without understanding
28:23the nuances
28:24I mean after all
28:25we have experience
28:26of the emergency
28:27you know
28:28you don't repeat
28:29the same methodology
28:30a second time
28:31but there are
28:32various ways
28:33in which
28:34people feel
28:35constrained.
28:35So what is the similarity
28:36and what is the
28:38big difference?
28:40Well the number
28:40of people who are
28:41incarcerated
28:42without trial
28:43number of people
28:45who are still
28:46in jail
28:46without trial
28:47the number of people
28:49who have picked up
28:49and stayed in jail
28:50and released
28:51after months
28:52like Sudha Bharatwaj
28:53who was
28:54you know
28:55living on
28:55JNU campus
28:56when we were
28:56students
28:57you know
28:58so you see
28:58a lot of this
28:59happening
28:59and you know
29:00I think
29:01there are
29:01serious challenges
29:03today to democracy
29:04this does not
29:05in any way
29:07belittle the fact
29:08that the emergency
29:09was the darkest
29:10chapter
29:11but I think
29:12the lesson
29:13we learn
29:13from the emergency
29:14today
29:1550 years later
29:16is to understand
29:18what are the ways
29:19in which
29:19freedoms are being
29:20challenged
29:21and defend
29:21those freedoms
29:22I think
29:22we are
29:23a proud
29:24democracy
29:24we have always
29:25been a proud
29:25democracy
29:26I think
29:27the emergency
29:27taught us
29:28ways in which
29:29we should
29:29defend our
29:30freedoms
29:30but I don't
29:31see that kind
29:33of mobilization
29:34for freedom
29:34I mean
29:35I can tell you
29:36you know
29:36forget about
29:36June 1975
29:37think about
29:39the months
29:39afterwards
29:40and when
29:41emergency was
29:41lifted
29:42I mean
29:42there was a
29:43festival across
29:43the country
29:44we burnt
29:45crackers on the
29:46day emergency
29:47was lifted
29:47and after that
29:49there was a
29:49flowering of
29:49Indian media
29:50the number
29:51of new
29:51newspapers
29:52and magazines
29:53that were launched
29:54journalism came
29:55into its own
29:56journalism as a
29:56profession
29:57really flowered
29:58after 1978
29:59sorry 79
30:01that's an
30:02interesting observation
30:03because India
30:04today itself
30:05was born in
30:06those emergency
30:07years and some
30:07of the finest
30:08reporting done
30:09by India
30:09today was
30:10post-emergency
30:11I recall
30:12particularly through
30:13the late 70s
30:14and the 80s
30:15but Prabhu Chawla
30:15the same question
30:17I pushed to
30:18Dr. Baru
30:18because Indira Gandhi
30:19remains a
30:20polarizing figure
30:21for some
30:22she's still
30:22seen through
30:23the prism
30:23of Durga
30:23and Bangladesh
30:24to others
30:25she's seen
30:25through the
30:25prism of
30:26emergency
30:26and dictator
30:27and the
30:28person who
30:28lifted the
30:29emergency
30:29in 1977
30:30on her own
30:32volition
30:33in a way
30:34how do you
30:35see her
30:35Durga
30:35dictator
30:36democrat
30:36you want
30:41to say
30:41Rajdeep
30:41her democratic
30:42rancher
30:43which we
30:44all of
30:44are trying
30:44to justify
30:45the question
30:45is imposing
30:46emergencies
30:47and becoming
30:48a Durga
30:48the Durga
30:49doesn't entitle
30:50her to impose
30:50an emergency
30:51and take away
30:51rights of the
30:52people
30:52whatever happened
30:53in India
30:54at that time
30:54you use the
30:55name of the
30:55Durga
30:56that you won
30:56some war
30:57and you divided
30:58Pakistan
30:58that's okay
30:59it was a great
31:00victory for us
31:01we must appreciate
31:01Indira Gandhi
31:02in that way
31:02but that doesn't
31:03give her the right
31:04because she was
31:05unseated by
31:05judicial order
31:06and what
31:07Sanjay Bharat
31:08is saying
31:08that I agree
31:09with you
31:09what is happening
31:09today
31:10that a lot
31:10of people
31:11are being
31:11putting behind
31:11the bar
31:12but there was
31:13no judicial
31:13access available
31:14during the
31:15emergency
31:15all the
31:16arrests were made
31:17which were
31:17not available
31:18MISA was made
31:19that nobody
31:20can be released
31:21now Sudha
31:21Bardoj can be
31:22released
31:22through the
31:23judicial process
31:23so there is
31:24no ban on
31:25the judiciary
31:25to not release
31:26the people
31:26the question
31:27is what is
31:28happening today
31:28may not be
31:29acceptable
31:29to most of
31:30us
31:30yeah the way
31:31it is being
31:31done
31:31but there is
31:32a judicial
31:32intervention
31:33here at this
31:34point in time
31:34but as a
31:36senior journalist
31:36Prabhu how do
31:40you compare
31:40what happened
31:41where journalists
31:42the likes of
31:42Kuldeep Nayar
31:43were for example
31:44put behind bars
31:45the electricity
31:45supply was
31:46switched off
31:47in an Indian
31:48express
31:48censorship was
31:49put in place
31:49with what is
31:50happening today
31:51many believe
31:51today the
31:52official media
31:53whether it is
31:53Doordarshan
31:54or All India
31:54radio have also
31:55become a
31:56handmaiden of
31:56the government
31:56of the day
31:57there is
31:58constant promotion
31:58so do you
31:59see the media
32:00today freer
32:01the way you
32:06have put
32:06the example
32:06of Doordarshan
32:07and media
32:07you have not
32:08put any
32:09other private
32:09organization
32:10which has
32:10been put
32:11in like
32:11I am
32:12saving them
32:13their blushes
32:13I am saving
32:14those private
32:16organizations
32:17their blushes
32:18you allow me
32:19to complete
32:21because you
32:22allow Sanjay
32:23Bara without
32:23interruption
32:24because what
32:26is happening
32:27today I
32:27don't think
32:27anybody is
32:28forcing anybody
32:29to write
32:29this thing
32:29or not
32:30write this
32:30thing
32:30if the editors
32:31and the owners
32:32decide to do
32:32what they
32:33think
32:33that is their
32:34fault
32:35if somebody
32:36I am not
32:36being told
32:36not to write
32:37anything
32:37I write
32:38what I want
32:38to write
32:38the question
32:39is fear
32:40is among
32:40created by
32:41ourselves
32:41there may be
32:42some
32:42indicative
32:42action
32:43I know
32:43that
32:44but the
32:44question
32:44if you
32:45are afraid
32:45of people
32:46you are
32:47afraid of
32:47writing
32:47okay
32:47you want
32:48to curry
32:48favor
32:48with somebody
32:49there is
32:49some kind
32:50of a
32:50transactional
32:51relationship
32:51between the
32:51media
32:52and the
32:52government
32:52if you
32:53want to
32:53maintain
32:54transaction
32:54relationship
32:55now you
32:55are sacrificing
32:56your own
32:56freedom
32:57emergency
32:57there was
32:58no such
32:58kind
32:58of thing
32:59there were
32:59only
32:59people
33:00arrested
33:00what was
33:01done
33:01it was
33:02done
33:02openly
33:02press
33:03was closed
33:03and
33:04journalists
33:04were arrested
33:05now
33:05journalists
33:06are not
33:06being arrested
33:07they are
33:07arrested
33:07on different
33:08things
33:08they are
33:08putting
33:09social media
33:09both sides
33:10is happening
33:11in Karnataka
33:12Congress
33:12government
33:12arrested
33:13some
33:13journalists
33:13in BJP
33:17it was
33:17happening
33:18during
33:18the
33:18emergency
33:18now
33:19journalists
33:20have done
33:21themselves
33:21as they
33:22said
33:22they were
33:23asked to
33:23bend
33:23and they
33:24started
33:24crawling
33:24on that
33:25it is
33:25happening
33:25now
33:26nobody
33:26been
33:26asking
33:27to do
33:27anything
33:27so why
33:28do you
33:28think
33:28we have
33:29to blame
33:30ourselves
33:30if we
33:30are not
33:31performing
33:31what you
33:31think
33:31Prabhu
33:32Indira
33:33did what
33:33she did
33:34clamped
33:34down
33:34on emergency
33:35why do
33:36you think
33:36then she
33:36eventually
33:37lifted
33:37the emergency
33:38in 77
33:39because
33:43she knew
33:43that there
33:43would have
33:44been a
33:44revolution
33:44on the
33:45streets
33:45if she
33:45had not
33:46lifted
33:46because
33:46the
33:47kind
33:47of
33:47you
33:47see
33:48Nasa
33:48Bandhi
33:48happened
33:49during
33:49that
33:49day
33:49during
33:50that
33:50period
33:50that
33:51was
33:51the
33:51maximum
33:51primary
33:52reason
33:52for being
33:53thrown
33:53out
33:53and there
33:54was an
33:54inbuilt
33:54mechanism
33:55the
33:55Congress
33:55party
33:56at that
33:56time
33:56there
33:57was
33:57very
33:57famous
33:58leader
33:58like
33:58Chandrasek
33:58and everybody
33:59there was
34:00stronger
34:00Congress
34:01leadership
34:01at the
34:01second
34:02level
34:02they were
34:02protesting
34:03she would
34:03have been
34:03thrown out
34:04of the
34:04party
34:04if she
34:05had not
34:05lifted
34:05the
34:05democracy
34:06Jaggi
34:06Unjohn
34:07left
34:07after
34:07that
34:07Baguna
34:16had not
34:16won
34:17the
34:1771
34:17war
34:17she
34:18would
34:18have
34:18been
34:18thrown
34:18out
34:18of
34:19the
34:19party
34:19the
34:20question
34:20is
34:20she
34:21misuse
34:21the
34:21power
34:22as Pranam
34:23Mukherjee
34:23told me
34:23an Indian
34:24constitution
34:25it's a
34:25democratic
34:26constitution
34:26but it
34:27gives
34:27the
34:27dictatorial
34:28powers
34:29to the
34:29prime
34:29minister
34:30prime
34:30minister
34:31can
34:31do
34:31anything
34:32under
34:32the
34:32hand
34:32using
34:33the
34:33same
34:33constitution
34:34and she
34:35used
34:35the
34:35same
34:35constitution
34:36to
34:36impose
34:37emergency
34:37deprive
34:38all
34:38of us
34:39all
34:39liberties
34:39so
34:40this is
34:40a
34:40constitutional
34:41provision
34:41which is
34:41misused
34:42to the
34:42best
34:43of
34:43knowledge
34:43that's
34:44the
34:45problem
34:45you make
34:47a very
34:47good point
34:48unfettered
34:49power
34:49to the
34:50prime
34:50minister
34:50you make
34:51a good
34:51point
34:51abuse
34:52and
34:52misuse
34:53of
34:53power
34:53in a
34:54way
34:54Indira
34:54Gandhi
34:55represented
34:56that
34:56moment
34:56what
34:57happened
34:57when so
34:57much
34:57power
34:58is
34:58concentrated
34:59around
34:59one
34:59person
35:00and dare
35:00one
35:00say
35:01an
35:01extra
35:01constitutional
35:01authority
35:02like
35:03Sanjay
35:03Gandhi
35:03but
35:04Sanjay
35:04Baru
35:04therefore
35:05do we
35:06see
35:06Indira
35:06Gandhi
35:07through
35:07the
35:07prism
35:07of
35:08being
35:08seen
35:08as a
35:09dictatorial
35:09leader
35:10or a
35:11democrat
35:11some
35:12believe
35:13she set
35:13this
35:13political
35:14playbook
35:14that
35:14many
35:15other
35:15chief
35:16ministers
35:16and dare
35:17one say
35:17prime
35:18ministers
35:18have
35:18followed
35:18that
35:19once
35:20we
35:20are
35:20in
35:20power
35:20we
35:21will
35:21misuse
35:22abuse
35:22power
35:22including
35:23agency
35:23power
35:24to
35:24intimidate
35:25rivals
35:25and
35:25opponents
35:25and
35:26therefore
35:26she
35:26set
35:27the
35:27political
35:27template
35:28for
35:28the
35:28future
35:29of
35:30course
35:30that
35:30I
35:31agree
35:31I
35:31mean
35:31she
35:31set
35:31the
35:32political
35:32template
35:33for
35:33growing
35:33authoritarianism
35:34democratic
35:35authoritarianism
35:36the
35:37misuse
35:38majority
35:39legislative
35:40majority
35:40by
35:41successive
35:41you know
35:42chief
35:43ministers
35:43across
35:44the
35:44country
35:44and
35:44some
35:45prime
35:45ministers
35:46later
35:46on
35:47I
35:47think
35:48the
35:48fundamental
35:48difference
35:49Rajdeep
35:49as I
35:50keep
35:50thinking
35:50about
35:51the
35:51emergency
35:51is that
35:52during
35:53the
35:53emergency
35:53there was
35:54no
35:54elite
35:55support
35:56for
35:56the
35:56emergency
35:57there was
35:57no
35:57widespread
35:58elite
35:59support
35:59for
36:00the
36:00emergency
36:00today
36:01you
36:01find
36:02widespread
36:03elite
36:03support
36:04for
36:04the
36:04kind
36:05of
36:05authoritarianism
36:05that
36:06several
36:06chief
36:07ministers
36:07and
36:08you know
36:08people in
36:08Delhi
36:09are
36:09using
36:10through
36:11the
36:11institutions
36:12of
36:12what you
36:13call
36:13Godi
36:13media
36:14or
36:14controlled
36:16media
36:16the
36:16corporatization
36:17of media
36:18the
36:18dominance
36:19of
36:19corporate
36:19interests
36:20I mean
36:20forget about
36:21Delhi and
36:22forget about
36:22the national
36:23media
36:23look at
36:23what is
36:24happening
36:24across the
36:25country
36:25in Indian
36:26language
36:26media
36:26almost
36:27nowhere
36:28do you
36:28have
36:29powerful
36:29editors
36:29even
36:30in the
36:31national
36:31media
36:32should we
36:32blame
36:33Indira Gandhi
36:33for that
36:34or should
36:35we blame
36:35the fact
36:35as Prabhu
36:36says
36:36editors
36:37and owners
36:38possibly for
36:39that
36:39why blame
36:40Indira Gandhi
36:41if editors
36:41have lost
36:42their spine
36:42why should
36:43Indira Gandhi
36:43be blamed
36:44for it
36:44all I'm
36:45saying is
36:46that the
36:46model of
36:47control or
36:48authoritarianism
36:49has changed
36:49right
36:50that's the point
36:51I'm making
36:51that you know
36:52it was done
36:53starkly
36:53nakedly
36:54bureaucratically
36:55inefficiently
36:56in many ways
36:57in 1975
36:58I think
37:00the ruling
37:01elite have
37:01understood
37:02how to do
37:03it in a
37:03more sophisticated
37:04way
37:05okay for
37:05one final
37:06minute
37:06therefore
37:06Prabhu
37:07Chawla
37:07undeclared
37:08emergency
37:09today
37:10declared
37:11emergency
37:12in 75
37:12is what
37:13Dr.
37:13Baru is
37:14somewhere
37:14hinting at
37:15without saying
37:16it in so
37:16many words
37:17but you
37:17want to
37:18quickly
37:18respond
37:18your final
37:19word
37:19he's
37:21entitled
37:21his
37:22entitled
37:23Rajdeep
37:24his
37:24entitled
37:24I won't
37:25say
37:25undeclared
37:26I will
37:27say
37:27the
37:27psychophancy
37:28is unleashed
37:29by everybody
37:29it is
37:30psychophancy
37:31of the
37:31world
37:31happening
37:31here
37:32if
37:32a
37:32reader
37:33and
37:33the
37:33media
37:33and
37:33industrialist
37:34start
37:34speaking
37:34the same
37:35language
37:35every politician
37:36would like
37:36to dictate
37:37the term
37:37it is for
37:38us
37:38media
37:38people
37:39it is for
37:39us
37:39to
37:40reject it
37:42if you're
37:42accepting
37:42it
37:43why blame
37:43the leader
37:44I don't
37:45understand
37:45ultimately
37:46we have to
37:46blame
37:47ourselves
37:47that we
37:48can't
37:48stand up
37:48to the
37:49establishment
37:49and ask
37:50questions
37:50whether it's
37:51the congress
37:51government
37:51or it's
37:52the BJP
37:52government
37:53can anybody
37:53ask
37:54the question
37:54in Andhra
37:54Pradesh
37:55or in
37:55Tamil Nadu
37:56or in
37:56West Bengal
37:58no
37:58why are you
37:59blaming
37:59central
38:00leadership
38:00every state
38:01government
38:02leadership
38:02with dictatorial
38:03in mind
38:03they want
38:03to dictate
38:04the term
38:04and unfortunately
38:05we are
38:06accepting it
38:07without
38:08limitations
38:08that's our fault
38:10I think very
38:10well put
38:11remember famously
38:12LK Advani
38:12said at the
38:13time when
38:14journalists were
38:14asked to
38:15bend they
38:15ended up
38:16crawling
38:16and you
38:18could then
38:18perhaps argue
38:19that maybe
38:20there are
38:20journalists
38:20today who
38:21don't just
38:21crawl
38:22but why
38:24blame the
38:25leaders for
38:25that maybe
38:26we need
38:26to look
38:27inwards
38:27but clearly
38:28but clearly
38:29at the end
38:29of the day
38:30what Indira
38:30Gandhi did
38:31in 1975
38:32in my view
38:33was unconstitutional
38:35unacceptable
38:36and unjust
38:37and it set
38:38a very dangerous
38:39template which
38:40hopefully we
38:41will find
38:42citizenry and
38:43indeed media
38:44persons and
38:45anyone interested
38:46in democracy
38:46being willing
38:48to push back
38:49against Prabhu
38:50Chawla
38:50Sanjay Baru
38:51for joining
38:52me on the
38:52show tonight
38:53thank you
38:53very much
38:54thank you
38:55so how
38:57significant is
38:58the fact that
38:59an Indian
38:59is on this
39:00space mission
39:01what does it
39:01mean
39:02joining me
39:03now
39:03Somak Roy
39:04Chaudhary
39:04professor is
39:05vice chancellor
39:06Ashoka
39:06university
39:07one of
39:07India's
39:07leading voices
39:08in space
39:09science
39:10astronomy
39:10and astrophysics
39:11appreciate
39:12your joining
39:13us here
39:13on the show
39:14professor
39:15India sending
39:17an astronaut
39:17into space
39:18after 41
39:19years
39:20how momentous
39:21is this
39:22for India
39:23and tell us
39:24the significance
39:25in your view
39:26of this
39:26Axiom 4
39:27mission
39:27to have
39:28an Indian
39:28astronaut
39:28on it
39:29well I'm
39:30inspired
39:31I'm relieved
39:32the thing
39:33is that
39:34when Rakesh
39:35Sharma went
39:35to space
39:35it was also
39:36very very
39:36inspiring
39:37for all
39:37of us
39:38but it
39:39was a
39:39symbolic
39:40mission
39:40it didn't
39:41lead to
39:42a large
39:43program
39:44where India
39:45got involved
39:45in international
39:46space
39:46activities
39:48but now
39:49this marks
39:50the beginning
39:50of what I
39:52hope will be
39:53decades and
39:54probably centuries
39:54of activities
39:56in space
39:56on part of
39:57India
39:57and this
39:58is why
39:59this is
39:59very very
39:59significant
40:00group captain
40:02Shubhangshu
40:02Shukla
40:03is one
40:03of the
40:03people
40:04who's
40:04been
40:04chosen
40:04for the
40:05Gaganyan
40:06mission
40:06as well
40:07and this
40:08essentially
40:09gives them
40:10experience
40:10gives them
40:11direct
40:12experience
40:12of actually
40:13going to
40:14the
40:14international
40:14space
40:14station
40:15and also
40:16the process
40:16of piloting
40:17the craft
40:20that goes
40:20there
40:20then
40:21in the
40:24next few
40:24years
40:24we not
40:25just have
40:26Gaganyan
40:26but we
40:27have
40:28India's
40:29ambition
40:29of building
40:30our own
40:31space station
40:31which has
40:32to be
40:32assembled
40:32in orbit
40:33and then
40:35moving on
40:36to various
40:36things
40:37beyond that
40:38and so
40:38this is
40:39very very
40:40significant
40:40this will
40:41be the
40:41first of
40:42the new
40:42generation
40:43of India
40:44space
40:44activities
40:45you know
40:46Professor
40:47Shubhangshu
40:47Shukla
40:48is expected
40:48to conduct
40:49experiments
40:49on growing
40:51superfoods
40:52like Moong
40:52and Methi
40:53in microgravity
40:55just try and
40:55explain that
40:56to us
40:56to have
40:57this
40:57collaborative
40:58exercise
40:59with the
41:00United States
41:01in particular
41:01and do
41:02these
41:03experiments
41:03how
41:03significant
41:04is this
41:05of these
41:06experiments
41:07that will
41:07be done
41:08in space
41:08there are
41:09very interesting
41:10experiments
41:10there are
41:11as you know
41:11about 60
41:12experiments
41:12there are
41:13some Indian
41:13for the
41:14first time
41:14Indian
41:15groups
41:16Indian
41:17institutes
41:17and research
41:18groups
41:19have designed
41:19experiments
41:20to be
41:20conducted
41:21in this
41:22environment
41:22and some
41:23of them
41:24have future
41:25space
41:25missions
41:25in mind
41:26like
41:27growing
41:27foods
41:28to see
41:29how
41:29for example
41:30common
41:31foods
41:31that Indians
41:32eat
41:32would actually
41:33grow in
41:34space
41:34it's not
41:35just
41:35at the
41:36International
41:36Space Station
41:37where people
41:37might have to
41:38stay for
41:39weeks or
41:39months on
41:40end
41:40but also
41:41later on
41:42when we
41:42have a
41:42base on
41:43the moon
41:43or something
41:44like that
41:45we would
41:45like to
41:45know what
41:45kind of
41:46stuff
41:46happens
41:47there
41:47then
41:48not just
41:49that
41:49but there
41:49are
41:50experiments
41:50to do
41:50with
41:50cyanobacteria
41:51which are
41:53used for
41:54waste disposal
41:55and for
41:56oxygen
41:56generation
41:57these things
41:58we would
41:58need in
41:59these closed
42:00environments
42:00like the
42:01space station
42:02or in
42:03the moon
42:04base
42:04I don't know
42:06whether you
42:06know but
42:06there is
42:07this amazing
42:07organism
42:09called
42:10tardigrades
42:11tardigrades
42:12are the
42:12hardiest
42:12organisms
42:14on earth
42:15and
42:16these
42:16things
42:17can last
42:18even
42:18in
42:19volcano
42:20eruptions
42:21and
42:21in
42:22Antarctica
42:22and so
42:23there are
42:23some
42:24experiments
42:24that
42:24the
42:25Indian
42:25Institute of
42:25Science
42:25in Bangalore
42:26have designed
42:27to see
42:28how they
42:28fare
42:29in these
42:29very hostile
42:30environments
42:31in zero
42:31gravity
42:32and things
42:32like that
42:33then there
42:33are experiments
42:34they will
42:34do on
42:34how a
42:35human body
42:36behaves
42:36how muscles
42:37behave
42:38in zero
42:38gravity
42:39these are
42:39all experiments
42:40that are
42:40not just
42:41important
42:41for the
42:42space station
42:43it also
42:43will teach
42:44us about
42:45how for
42:45example
42:46a muscle
42:47degenerates
42:47as one
42:48ages
42:48even on
42:49earth
42:49because
42:50on earth
42:50we cannot
42:51really take
42:51out the
42:52effect of
42:54the weight
42:54of the
42:54body
42:55and the
42:56natural
42:57degeneration
42:57of the
42:58muscle
42:58make it
42:59separate
42:59here of
43:00course
43:00you can
43:00do it
43:01in
43:01weightless
43:01conditions
43:02they are
43:03also doing
43:03very interesting
43:04experiments
43:04on how
43:05one uses
43:05a device
43:06in space
43:06you know
43:07I mean
43:07is it
43:08you can't
43:08type
43:09in space
43:09so
43:10are
43:10these
43:11screens
43:11how you
43:12interact
43:13with them
43:13how you
43:13touch
43:14them
43:14what are
43:15the best
43:15ways of
43:15interacting
43:16and using
43:17these
43:18devices
43:19which will
43:19be the
43:20very important
43:20things that
43:21will be
43:22the basis
43:23of our
43:24the Indian
43:25space station
43:25so a lot
43:26of these
43:27very interesting
43:27experiments
43:28are being
43:28done
43:28keeping in
43:30mind
43:30the various
43:30stages
43:31of the
43:32Indian
43:33space
43:33program
43:34that is
43:34going to
43:34come
43:35but also
43:36put in
43:37there
43:37are some
43:38very important
43:39experiments
43:40that are
43:40important for
43:42us as
43:42well
43:42on earth
43:43I've just
43:44got a
43:44minute
43:45Professor
43:46Dora Choudhury
43:46India
43:47as you said
43:47earlier
43:48is aiming
43:48to establish
43:49its own
43:49space station
43:50by 2035
43:52send an
43:52astronaut
43:53to the
43:53moon
43:53by 2040
43:54does
43:55Shubhangshu's
43:56trip
43:56in a way
43:57become
43:58a stepping
44:00stone to
44:00this
44:00or
44:01is it
44:02now a
44:03step-by-step
44:03process
44:04a quick
44:04answer
44:05well
44:05I mean
44:05it is
44:06certainly
44:06the first
44:07step
44:07these are
44:08the first
44:09Indian
44:09experiences
44:10of actually
44:11being there
44:12and the
44:14process of
44:14actually
44:15piloting
44:16this rocket
44:16but it
44:17will bring
44:18back a lot
44:19of know-how
44:19but more
44:20importantly
44:21this
44:22cements
44:23these
44:23international
44:23collaborations
44:24that are
44:25now needed
44:25for the
44:27next step
44:28that India
44:29has to go
44:29into
44:30India
44:30can't do
44:30it alone
44:31actually no
44:31country can
44:32do it
44:32alone
44:32now these
44:33all have to
44:34be global
44:34missions
44:34Professor Roy
44:36Chaudhry for
44:37giving us
44:37a sense of
44:38the significance
44:39of the
44:39Axiom 4
44:40space mission
44:41thank you
44:41very much
44:42for joining
44:43me here
44:43on the
44:44show tonight
44:44let me
44:46turn from
44:47there to
44:47our India
44:48Today
44:48fact check
44:48the claim
44:49that's been
44:49made is
44:50Israeli
44:50Neset
44:51member
44:51runs off
44:52as Iranian
44:53missiles
44:53began to
44:54rain down
44:54the truth
44:55is the
44:56video
44:56predates
44:57the Iran
44:58Israel
44:59conflict
44:59every night
45:00we try
45:00and show
45:00how some
45:02of the
45:02videos you
45:02get on
45:03social media
45:04they do
45:05not represent
45:05the facts
45:06okay I want
45:07to end
45:07tonight though
45:08with familiar
45:09images at this
45:10time of the
45:10year from
45:11certain parts
45:11of the
45:11country
45:12monsoon
45:12fury
45:13relentless
45:14rains have
45:15triggered floods
45:16and landslides
45:17across multiple
45:18states a cloud
45:19burst in
45:20Kulu floods
45:21hitting parts of
45:22Gujarat especially
45:22Surat and
45:24parts of
45:24Maharashtra
45:25guess what
45:26national
45:27capital
45:27the wait
45:28for the
45:29monsoon
45:29continues
45:30that's what
45:31it means
45:32living in
45:33Delhi
45:33now you
45:34know
45:34why I'm
45:35a
45:35Mumbaiker
45:35in exile
45:37in Delhi
45:38thanks for
45:38watching
45:39stay well
45:40stay safe
45:40good night
45:41Shubratri
45:41Jaihin
45:42Namaskar
45:43I'll see you
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