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This episode of India First delves into Leader of the Opposition Rahul Gandhi's remarks against Prime Minister Narendra Modi during Congress's Bhagidari Nyay Sammelan in Delhi, coinciding with Modi becoming India's second longest-serving Prime Minister.
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00:00Good evening. On a day that Prime Minister Narendra Modi became India's second longest serving Prime Minister in consecutive terms,
00:07completing 4,078 uninterrupted days and counting in office,
00:13Leader of Opposition Rahul Gandhi claimed Narendra Modi is not a problem for the Congress and words to the effect that he's all hype.
00:21Narendra Modi, incidentally, is also the first Prime Minister born in independent India.
00:27He took office on the 26th of May 2014.
00:31He, incidentally, is the longest serving Prime Minister from a non-Congress party.
00:35But Rahul Gandhi says Modi is all hype and there is no substance to him or words to that effect
00:42when he was trying perhaps to boost the morale of Congress party workers and cadre.
00:46Rahul's dumb nahi hai jab at PM Modi.
01:04Rahul claims PM is all show, no substance.
01:08B.J.P. lashes out at Congress's political bankruptcy.
01:20Rahul's big attack on Modi is the big focus on India first.
01:35Narendra Modi, incidentally, has never lost an election either as Chief Minister of Gujarat.
01:46He won three terms there, 2002, 2007 and 2012.
01:50In 2014, he fought and won Lok Sabha elections, became Prime Minister.
01:54Again, he is now in his third term, 2014, 19 and 24.
01:59Narendra Modi has been in office either as Chief Minister or Prime Minister.
02:03In office since 2001.
02:05So, in office for the past 24 years and 60 days.
02:11Rahul Gandhi, as Vice President of Congress, incidentally, has got the lowest tally.
02:1644 in 2014 and of course, under his presidentship in 2019,
02:22that tally improved marginally to 52 seats.
02:24But again, they couldn't muster enough numbers to be Leader of Opposition and Parliament
02:28for two successive terms.
02:31Rahul Gandhi insists, Narendra Modi is old show and no substance.
02:36Is that actually true?
02:37We debate that.
02:38Coming up at 8.30 on India.
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02:47madrasas that are mushrooming all along the India-Nepal border.
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02:58As always, let's get started.
03:01So, on a day that Prime Minister Narendra Modi beat Indira Gandhi
03:04to become the second longest serving Prime Minister,
03:08consecutive terms.
03:11Leader of Opposition Rahul Gandhi claimed Modi was all hype and no substance.
03:15Rahul Gandhi told a gathering of Congress workers
03:17at the Bhagidari Nyai Sammela and at Delhi's Talkatora Stadium
03:20that he'd met Prime Minister Narendra Modi a couple of times.
03:24The Leader of Opposition claimed Modi was like a balloon,
03:29gubbara, inflated by the media.
03:32Rahul Gandhi insisted, while speaking to his carder, voters and supporters,
03:36that Modi was not a problem for the Congress Party.
03:40Rahul Gandhi launched a scathing attack on Prime Minister Modi,
03:55alleging that the Indian Prime Minister is all show and no substance.
03:59Speaking at the OBC-focused Bhagidari Nyai Sammelan in Delhi,
04:23Rahul claimed that challenging the Prime Minister is no issue.
04:27Rahul suggested that the real issue is not Modi,
04:30but the perception around him.
04:33No, Narendra Modi is no big problem.
04:40He also attacked the RSS,
04:53alleging that it was the biggest enemy for OBCs.
04:56The RSS is the biggest enemy for OBCs.
05:04The RSS has launched a scathing counter to the Gandhi Sayan,
05:16alleging political bankruptcy in the Grand Old Party.
05:19The Congress party has become Diwaliya.
05:23The RSS has also come to Diwaliya.
05:26The RSS has also come to Diwaliya.
05:28The remarks come as political temperatures rise and positioning sharpens ahead of key state polls.
05:37On a day when Prime Minister Modi became the second longest serving Prime Minister in consecutive terms,
05:43surpassing even Indira Gandhi.
05:45With this direct challenge,
05:47Rahul Gandhi sets the stage for a political contest
05:49that could test both influence and perception.
05:53Bureau report, India Today.
05:55This is what Rahul Gandhi is believed to have said.
06:13This is Rahul Gandhi on Prime Minister,
06:15Narendra Modi.
06:16And this isn't the first time that Rahul Gandhi has tried to convey the message to his carders and supporters and voters
06:21that Modi is not a big problem.
06:24It's the hype created by media according to Rahul Gandhi.
06:28He has in the past focused on Modi,
06:32focusing more on branding than substance and delivery.
06:35More about catchy slogans than solutions.
06:37But, do these facts actually?
06:42Are they true?
06:43Or do facts on ground paint a different picture?
06:47Joining me on India first is Rohan Gupta,
06:49National Spokesperson of the BJP.
06:51Salman Sour is the National Spokesperson of the Congress Party.
06:54Ashutosh is the Senior Journalist and Analyst,
06:57as so is Desh Ratha Nigam, a lawyer and a political analyst joining us on this show.
07:01But Rohan Gupta,
07:03how does the BJP see these words of the leader of opposition
07:07saying Narendra Modi,
07:09just a gumbara, media people have called it,
07:12just a showbazee.
07:13There is no doubt in them.
07:15So, Gaurav, personally, I am very happy
07:17the way opposition party is thinking about Mr. Modi.
07:21It shows their arrogance,
07:22it shows their foolishness,
07:24and Alice in Wonderland.
07:25It's always good where opposition is not clear about what is the ground reality.
07:29And it is possible without substance that Mr. Modi is being PM of India
07:33for now 4,078 days.
07:36Is it possible without substance that under his leadership,
07:38India is now fourth largest economy in the world?
07:41Is it possible that without substance,
07:43he is having today countries trust the confidence of the people
07:46he is winning elections after election?
07:48Is it without substance that India is the fastest growing economy in the world now?
07:53So, I think it is for people to decide.
07:55I think this is the height of arrogance.
07:57We should not decide who has substance.
08:00It is upon the people to decide,
08:02people of the country.
08:03In politics, I might have whatever process or myself about you.
08:07But we cannot decide.
08:08It should be the track record of the person.
08:11I don't want to make personal comment,
08:12but now the leader of the opposition can see his track record
08:15and compare that to Mr. Modi's track record.
08:18And then let the people decide.
08:19Let your audience decide whether substance is there or not.
08:23Let's, let's, if you're saying let's go by statistics,
08:27let's go by record and you're claiming it's arrogance of Rahul Gandhi.
08:32Salman shows, is this arrogance of Rahul Gandhi?
08:35And if you look at the numbers,
08:37Narendra Modi served as Chief Minister of Gujarat for 4,610 days,
08:42without a gap, became Prime Minister of India
08:45and has been serving for 4,078 days and counting.
08:49You saw those statistics, longest, second longest serving Prime Minister,
08:54if you talk of consecutive terms.
08:56Rahul Gandhi as leader of opposition
08:57has been in office just for 367 days
09:01and says Modi has no substance.
09:05Is this arrogance as the BJP puts it, sir?
09:10It's not arrogance.
09:11This is the way I think we see this.
09:14I think this is the reality of India now is ever since Prime Minister Modi
09:18became Prime Minister.
09:20Vast sections of the media are totally subverted.
09:22Institutions are subverted.
09:24So anybody can see that there's a whole industry of tailwind
09:30that is behind the Prime Minister
09:32and makes him look larger than life.
09:35You know, Rohan is my former colleague in the Congress Party.
09:39He knows it and he was there when Rahul Gandhi, you know,
09:43was there in the Bharat Jodha Yatra.
09:45Rahul Gandhi walks with the people of India.
09:48The Prime Minister walks with the cameraman.
09:49That is a reality.
09:50Every Indian knows it.
09:52Everybody knows how many angles he's photographed from
09:54and, you know, how many people are there,
09:58how many drones are there.
09:59So I think there's no doubt that there's a lot of hype around him
10:03and that has really pushed him.
10:04But if you want to talk data, if you want to talk substance,
10:08I can debate that as well.
10:10If you want, if you give me one minute,
10:13I can talk about two, three issues that might, you know,
10:16tell you why we talk about lack of substance.
10:20One, for example, just to highlight,
10:22one, was it not Prime Minister Modi who declared victory
10:28over COVID-19 and then held political rallies
10:31that which became huge carriers of the virus
10:34and we suffered millions of excess deaths that happened.
10:40And so no amount of PR can erase the smell of burning pyres,
10:44as far as I can tell.
10:45Your appreciation is just PR that after COVID-19
10:49saw him win elections after elections, including 2024.
10:54Is it just PR and talking to cameras that makes him win elections?
10:57You know, you may choose to believe that, sir.
11:00You may choose to believe that.
11:01Let me also bring Ashutosh into this conversation
11:04and we'll keep this, you know, we'll keep the ball rolling.
11:07Ashutosh, electoral records, popularity scales,
11:11they seem to tilt heavily in favour of Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
11:15In your appreciation, is it just cameras?
11:18He's been CM for three terms, PM for three terms and counting.
11:22In your appreciation, what was Rahul Gandhi doing?
11:24Boosting the morale of his carder?
11:26Telling them, don't be scared of Modi.
11:28He's not a big problem.
11:30He can be defeated.
11:31He's not undefeatable.
11:31See, Gaurav, if you put yourself in the Rahul Gandhi's shoes
11:37and you have to fight with Narendra Modi on a daily basis,
11:41what will you do?
11:42Will you praise him?
11:43Of course not.
11:44You will not praise him.
11:45So, and he's talking to his own men
11:48and he has to buck up them up
11:50because he has to prepare them.
11:53If you say that Narendra Modi invincible,
11:54Narendra Modi can't be defeated,
11:56Narendra Modi is too big a character.
11:59So, obviously, the whole team will get demoralized.
12:02This is basically an exercise to demystify Narendra Modi
12:06before the congressmen and prepare them for the bigger battles.
12:09It's as simple.
12:10And this, every political party does it.
12:13Like the BJP will always talk about Rahul Gandhi.
12:16He's a child, he's a lot of politics.
12:19Arvind Kejriwal always says,
12:20Look, we're scared of Narendra Modi.
12:22He's scared of Narendra Modi.
12:23He won't win in Delhi in Delhi.
12:25But these are the struggles.
12:26Narendra Modi is what he said in the beginning.
12:28He's a place in Delhi, not in Delhi.
12:29He's a place in the jungle.
12:30So, every political party,
12:32every political political leader
12:33has to demystify the opponents.
12:36Otherwise, they can't fight elections.
12:38They can't win elections.
12:40And winning, and of course,
12:41there's no doubt about it.
12:42In my opinion, Narendra Modi is one of the tallest leaders,
12:45one of the most popular leaders in the country,
12:47one of the most powerful leaders after Mrs. Gandhi.
12:50But that is for the history to judge.
12:52That is for the political experts for the judge.
12:54But not for the Rahul Gandhi.
12:55Rahul Gandhi will not say that Narendra Modi is invincible.
12:58He will always say Narendra Modi is beatable
13:00and we are going to beat him.
13:03Okay.
13:03Deshra Tannigam,
13:04in this Westminster model that India has adopted,
13:07the leader of opposition is virtually shadow prime minister.
13:10And the Congress party believes Rahul Gandhi
13:13is prime minister in waiting.
13:16So, why does the BJP say in your appreciation
13:19that this reflects the bankruptcy in the Congress party,
13:25the moral bankruptcy?
13:26Because all he's doing is,
13:28he's boosting the morale of his workers.
13:30He's trying to convey that message.
13:31Of course, you can defeat Narendra Modi.
13:34The fact is that they were able to bring down
13:35the BJP numbers from 303 down to 240.
13:39Well, Gaurav, in fact, on the lighter note,
13:44this seems to be a dumb maro dumb movement for Rahul Gandhi.
13:47And the fact remains that if Mr. Modi is not a big problem,
13:53then it's a small problem, a little problem,
13:56which means a problem for the Congress,
13:58which has prevented Congress from coming to power
14:00on three consecutive terms in the Lok Sabha
14:03and informing the government.
14:05The, actually, prime minister is a part of a solution,
14:09not a problem.
14:10We all must understand,
14:11and his delivery record is fantastic.
14:13And no wonder he's getting awards internationally.
14:15I think somewhere about 30 awards,
14:17the highest awards of those respective countries
14:20that he has got.
14:21There are various ways of, you know,
14:23boosting the morale of their own cadre,
14:25but not by demeaning somebody.
14:26You can talk positive,
14:28you can talk positive about India,
14:30you can talk about positive policies
14:31that you may try to bring for the country,
14:34you may try to, you know,
14:35highlight the weaknesses of the policies
14:37and may suggest solutions.
14:39This is a work of a shadow prime minister.
14:41Not otherwise.
14:42You don't meet the Chinese ambassador
14:45quietly and secretively.
14:46You don't meet on the so-called
14:48alleged Mansurva Ryatra Chinese officials.
14:52You don't talk against India in foreign soils.
14:54This is not the personality of a shadow prime minister.
14:58I expect it far more from the shadow prime minister,
15:01leader of opposition that we have here.
15:03The relaunching and infinite relaunching of the RG,
15:08as I would call it,
15:09is something which the Congress has to ponder upon.
15:12The BJP is on the ground.
15:13You want to quickly respond to that point,
15:15Salman Sos, raised by Deshra Tannigam.
15:17Before I come to that question that I have for you, sir.
15:20What a basic issue is,
15:21like one of our friend Ashutosh said,
15:24that, yeah, he was motivating his kader.
15:27Do you feel demanding somebody?
15:28You can motivate your kader.
15:30And even kader knows what is the reality on the ground.
15:33The kader knows that they are out of power
15:34because of this mindset.
15:36Obviously, you have to motivate your kader.
15:38You can talk about your policies,
15:39what already you are going to give the people
15:41which is better than BJP.
15:43But no, this is the fallacy.
15:45That's why Alice in Wonderland,
15:46they don't know what is the ground reality.
15:48And I am very happy as a BJP member today
15:51that this is the mindset of the opposition today.
15:53With this mindset, they can never fight with BJP
15:56because they are not accepting the reality
15:58of what is the pulse of people.
15:59What is the narrative which people want Congress Party to do?
16:02Today, what is Congress Party?
16:04It has become smaller than a regional party.
16:06They were the captain of Indy Garbantan.
16:08Now, they are not even the 12th player.
16:10Do they do introspection?
16:12One of the biggest opposition parties,
16:14now Indy Garbantan parties are not accepting them.
16:16Why?
16:17Salman Sos wants to respond to that.
16:18Because the narrative is completely in that.
16:19Salman Sos wants to respond to that.
16:22Okay.
16:23I'll respond to both.
16:23Go on, sir.
16:23I'll respond to both.
16:25Go on, sir.
16:26I'll respond to both.
16:26And it is good to see Deishrath and Nikamji
16:29after a long time.
16:30You know, he talked about substance.
16:33Let me just, you know,
16:34let's talk about the substance.
16:36Was it not Prime Minister Modi
16:38when he was candidate Modi?
16:39He said, I will do in 60 months
16:42what no Prime Minister has done in 60 years.
16:45And what did he do?
16:46He delivered the highest unemployment rate
16:49in five decades.
16:50Was he not the Prime Minister
16:52who said that I'm going to have make in India,
16:54we're going to have manufacturing
16:55as a share of GDP will be 25%.
16:57And right now,
16:58manufacturing as a share of GDP is 13%,
17:00the lowest since 1961.
17:04Is this not the same Prime Minister
17:05who put so many of us,
17:07all of us,
17:08you, me,
17:08and so many poor people in this world,
17:10in this country,
17:11through the ringer?
17:12He said demonetization is going to be
17:14a surgical strike on,
17:16you know,
17:16on cash and corruption,
17:18on black money.
17:19And today,
17:20On terrorism.
17:21Since 2016,
17:22today,
17:23just let me finish.
17:24Today,
17:24cash is more than double
17:26it was in 2016.
17:27The ratio is the same.
17:29And Mr. Modi's kind of jumlahs
17:31are for all to see.
17:33I mean,
17:34in what?
17:35Agni Paath.
17:35Let's talk about Agni Paath.
17:37Gaurav,
17:37you are a,
17:37I know you believe in it,
17:38you look after national security as well.
17:41He came up with a scheme and said,
17:43this is a reform for young India
17:45to modernize the military.
17:46But cutting across the political spectrum,
17:49cutting across abuse,
17:50people are basically so sick and tired
17:52of this kind of a scheme.
17:54That is actually,
17:55that has become a huge joke.
17:56How can you basically run the military
17:59with four-year contracts?
18:01So I would say,
18:02I would say,
18:03Rahul Gandhi's criticism is about substance.
18:06He says,
18:07this is not man of substance.
18:08That's what we are saying.
18:09By the way,
18:10G20,
18:10and let me remind Rohan Gupta
18:11that when G20 happened,
18:14in his home state,
18:16there were slums that were being covered
18:17when Mr. Modi's face was being plastered
18:20in his city
18:20so that they would hide India's reality.
18:23India's reality is
18:24that more than 100 countries
18:25are ranked lower
18:27on the global hunger index
18:29than India is.
18:30Please don't tell us about these things.
18:32We know what the reality is.
18:33Rohan,
18:33I feel glad that you need to be,
18:35just when the B2B stars are going down.
18:38I'm so sorry for you,
18:39my friend.
18:40This is,
18:40this is,
18:41again,
18:41I'm really sorry for you,
18:42Salman,
18:43because people like you
18:44still are there in Congress party,
18:46but still,
18:46the Mahima Mandan,
18:47the coterie of Darbaris,
18:50they don't allow you to communicate
18:51your view to the top leaders.
18:53So I'm really my sympathy with you.
18:55But here,
18:55Gaurav,
18:56we need to understand
18:56what are the numbers on ground.
18:58Fourth largest economy,
18:59fastest growing economy,
19:01all the numbers
19:01are in favor of Mr. Modi,
19:03and that's why people
19:03are supporting Mr. Modi.
19:05Is it winning election by election?
19:07Is it by chance?
19:08You can have certain issues
19:09against Modi or Mr.
19:10or BJP,
19:11but do you feel that winning election
19:13like that,
19:14this is just by a fluke?
19:15No.
19:15Again,
19:16I'm coming back to India,
19:17Gauravandan,
19:17the biggest alliance
19:18formed against Mr. Modi,
19:19why it got shattered
19:20because of Congress party?
19:21Losing Haryana.
19:22I think in the politics of India,
19:24this is the worst ever,
19:26you know,
19:27loss of any political party
19:29that on a platter
19:30you are losing election.
19:31Why?
19:31Because your policies
19:32were completely wrong.
19:33Losing Maharashtra
19:34after good Lok Sabha performance.
19:36There are many states
19:37you have shown
19:38good performance in Lok Sabha.
19:39Why that Gubbara went down?
19:41You have to introspect.
19:42That is what it is.
19:43Your overconfidence
19:44is quite visible
19:45on face of leader of opposition
19:47and I'm really happy
19:48with this overconfidence
19:49by this mindset
19:50you can never defeat BJP
19:51or Mr. Modi
19:52because here
19:53there is a clarity of thought,
19:54clarity of narrative
19:55as far as
19:56international policy is concerned
19:58or economy is concerned
19:59or India is concerned.
20:00Let me get both Ashutosh
20:02and Deshra Tannigam
20:03to reflect on this.
20:04Who has clarity of thought?
20:06Who has clarity of purpose?
20:08And who is able to deliver Ashutosh?
20:11You know,
20:11because if you go back
20:12in just the past 10 years,
20:15when Rahul Gandhi
20:16was Congress Vice President,
20:17the party tally
20:18perhaps went down
20:19to its all-time low of 44
20:21in the 2014 election.
20:23Then when he became
20:24party president,
20:25it rose but only marginally
20:27to 55 in 2019.
20:29So, 10 years,
20:31there was no leader of opposition.
20:322024, of course,
20:34Rahul Gandhi's
20:34Bharat Chodo Yatra,
20:35there was tremendous effort
20:36put in.
20:37The number rose
20:38but to 99 or 100.
20:41Leader of opposition post,
20:43yes,
20:43but the fact also remains
20:44Narendra Modi
20:45is prime minister
20:46for the third term,
20:48the longest serving
20:49non-Congress prime minister
20:50of the country.
20:51So,
20:51is Rahul Gandhi
20:53far removed
20:54from realities,
20:56sir?
20:57See,
20:57if you ask me,
20:59is Narendra Modi
21:00a powerful prime minister?
21:02Yes.
21:03But if you ask me,
21:05is he
21:05on the upfield?
21:07No.
21:08Now,
21:08he's on the downhill
21:09and he's declining.
21:11And one single factor,
21:14one single incident
21:15which I'm going to quote is,
21:16if he's so powerful
21:18within the BJP
21:19and outside the BJP,
21:21why he has failed
21:22to appoint
21:23the next BJP president
21:25for the last two years?
21:28Nanda was supposed
21:30to leave
21:31for other person
21:32in 2023 December.
21:35Now,
21:35this is
21:36almost,
21:37almost one and a half
21:38years more.
21:39Now,
21:39the issue is
21:40why?
21:41Because RSS
21:42has put his foot down.
21:44Second point,
21:45Narendra Modi
21:45is president
21:46as a great
21:47global statesman.
21:48But the fact of the matter
21:49is after Operation Sindhur,
21:51India is
21:52totally alone
21:53across the globe.
21:55Today,
21:56American president
21:57is insulting India
21:58like anything
21:59left, right and center.
22:01And look what has happened.
22:01That's the American president.
22:02That's the American president.
22:04If I may,
22:05I mean,
22:05just on foreign policy
22:06and just on Donald Trump,
22:08clearly.
22:08I mean,
22:09it's Donald Trump after all.
22:11Had it been something
22:11more,
22:12someone more sensible,
22:13we would have,
22:13you know,
22:14given you that point.
22:16Gauru,
22:16let me complete,
22:17let me complete.
22:18Have some patience.
22:18Go on,
22:19go on,
22:19sir.
22:19See,
22:20see,
22:20see,
22:20see,
22:21you are not dealing
22:22with the Trump.
22:24You are dealing
22:24with the American president
22:25who has
22:27one second term.
22:29After losing,
22:30he has one second term.
22:31Let's not get into this.
22:32He's the man
22:33who's shaking
22:33the whole global politics
22:35across the world.
22:35The whole world
22:36is worried about it.
22:37Now,
22:37the issue is,
22:38Mr. Narendra Modi
22:39used to call him
22:40as his best buddy.
22:42Now,
22:42the best buddy
22:43is giving him back.
22:44Now,
22:45forget about America,
22:46China.
22:47Your own
22:48deputy army chief
22:50is saying
22:50we are facing
22:51two enemies
22:52at the one border.
22:53Now,
22:53you are forced
22:54to allow,
22:55permit Chinese
22:57to get visas
22:58after five years.
23:00This is the sign
23:01of weakness.
23:02Now,
23:02the prime minister
23:03has to tell
23:03to the whole world.
23:05You have been
23:05accusing Rahul Gandhi
23:06left,
23:06right,
23:06and center
23:07for hobnobbing
23:08with the Chinese.
23:09Now,
23:09when China
23:10was behaving
23:10like an enemy,
23:12you are opening
23:13visas for the Chinese.
23:15Why?
23:16What is the compulsion?
23:17The issue is,
23:18today,
23:19America is not with you.
23:20China is not with you.
23:21Russia is also
23:23siding with Pakistan
23:23and China.
23:25Where is India's
23:25foreign policy?
23:27So,
23:27is it not the sign
23:28of weakness?
23:28Okay,
23:30so there are two
23:31points you've raised.
23:32One on party president,
23:33one on foreign policy.
23:34Desha Tanikam,
23:35you want to quickly
23:35respond when it comes
23:37to BJP not being
23:38able to elect
23:39a party president
23:40because apparently
23:41the RSS and the BJP
23:43are not on the same page
23:44and this also shows
23:45Prime Minister Narendra Modi's
23:47weakness
23:47according to Ashutosh.
23:49Well,
23:50I don't think RSS
23:51has anything to do
23:52with appointing
23:52the president of the BJP
23:54and it is the internal
23:56matter and
23:57since I am not
23:58representing BJP
23:59so it is best
24:00what suits BJP
24:02in the given
24:03circumstances
24:03of coming elections.
24:05It is their strategy
24:06or whatever it is.
24:07It is for them
24:08to decide
24:08and whatever
24:09lets BJP win,
24:11I think they will
24:12decide on that.
24:13And secondly,
24:14so far as foreign
24:14policy is concerned,
24:16I don't think
24:17Mr. Ashutosh
24:17has given
24:19an in-depth analysis
24:20of foreign policy
24:21right here,
24:22right now.
24:23Bland statements
24:23whereas on the
24:24India's rising
24:25on the international map,
24:27it's all for everyone
24:28to see,
24:29wherever Prime Minister Modi
24:30goes,
24:30it is India
24:31and Prime Minister Modi
24:32who has been,
24:32you know,
24:33keeping the flag
24:34of India very high
24:35and you can see
24:36the diaspora,
24:36how the diaspora
24:37also responds
24:38at the international level
24:40whereas when Mr. Gandhi
24:41goes,
24:42look at the
24:43secretively,
24:44he runs away
24:45from the country
24:45every time
24:46when there is an issue
24:47in the country
24:47and then whenever
24:49he is there
24:49in some university,
24:51you will see him
24:52speaking against India
24:53and again,
24:54I am saying
24:54this is not
24:55the sign
24:55of a shadow
24:56Prime Minister.
24:57Shadow Prime Minister
24:58as you take it
24:58from the Westminster
24:59model.
25:00You want to quickly
25:00respond before I
25:01bring in both
25:01Ashutosh and Salman
25:02Soz.
25:04As an analyst,
25:06when you come
25:06on a debate,
25:07I think you should
25:08always criticise
25:09both the parties
25:10and various points
25:10but my friend
25:11Ashutosh,
25:12we know,
25:12maybe what compulsion
25:14I don't know.
25:14This is not the
25:15Congress party
25:16where you have to
25:16pay Akkar Bakkar
25:17Bambebo
25:18where few of the
25:19Darbadi's just sit
25:20and decide
25:20who is going to be
25:21Congress President.
25:22Obviously BJP
25:23has right to
25:23deliberate and
25:24come out with
25:25the name
25:25which is,
25:26you know,
25:26absolutely takes
25:26BJP to new
25:27eyes,
25:27number one.
25:28Number two,
25:29my friend Ashutosh
25:29has just forgotten
25:30the FTA which
25:31has been signed
25:31by India and
25:32UK at least
25:33as an analyst.
25:34I can expect,
25:35yes,
25:3590% times he
25:36questions Modi
25:37government or
25:38criticises but
25:39at least 5-10%
25:39at least he should
25:40be honest to
25:41your heart when
25:42you come to the
25:43debate and talk
25:43positive.
25:44You can see
25:45India,
25:45Mauritius,
25:46what is happening
25:46today.
25:47The same Mr.
25:47Ashutosh maybe
25:48one and a half
25:49years back when
25:50Mauritius,
25:50Mizu had raised
25:51the points,
25:52he was criticising
25:53Modi government,
25:53I was there in
25:54debate.
25:54Why today he's
25:55not talking
25:56anything on
25:56that?
25:57My point here
25:57Gaurav,
25:58whenever you
25:59criticise anybody
25:59there should be
26:00substance,
26:01it should not
26:01be based on
26:02your perception
26:02and here again
26:03I am coming
26:04back to you,
26:04when BJP is
26:05going to
26:05declare the
26:06president,
26:06then you
26:07should come
26:07out and
26:07praise,
26:08yeah,
26:08this is the
26:08process and
26:09after that
26:09this name has
26:10come,
26:10this is
26:10excellent.
26:11This is not
26:12the Darbari
26:12party,
26:13this is the
26:13party where
26:14everybody's
26:14opinion is
26:15taken and
26:15the president
26:16is appointed.
26:20quickly respond
26:21before I
26:21come to you
26:22sir.
26:22Go on
26:22Ashutosh.
26:24I think this
26:25foreign policy
26:26thing is a
26:26very good
26:27thing.
26:27Let's start
26:28from it.
26:29Let's start
26:30from the
26:30Maldives.
26:31Maldives,
26:3240,000
26:32population and
26:33the Maldives
26:34have said
26:34long back,
26:35Indians go
26:36back.
26:38This is
26:38Maldives,
26:39this is the
26:39power of
26:40India.
26:41Bangladesh,
26:42you are not
26:42welcome there.
26:43But the
26:43point is,
26:44today Prime
26:45Minister Narendra
26:46Modi is in
26:46Maldives as
26:48the chief guest
26:48of the national
26:49day.
26:49Gaurav,
26:49let me complete.
26:49Gaurav,
26:50let me complete.
26:51Let me complete.
26:52Canada,
26:53there is a
26:53case against
26:54one of the
26:54top leaders.
26:54He can't go
26:56there.
26:56USA,
26:57there is a
26:58case against
26:59one of us,
27:02one of the
27:02top leaders
27:02in the
27:03country.
27:03He can't
27:04go there,
27:04at least,
27:05it looks
27:05like.
27:06Canada,
27:07your foreign
27:08minister,
27:09you know what
27:09he's saying
27:09about the
27:10European Union.
27:11We don't
27:11need preachers,
27:12we need
27:12partners.
27:13Your foreign
27:14minister has
27:15messed up
27:15India's
27:15foreign policy
27:16like anything.
27:17Like anything.
27:18And what is
27:19the compulsion
27:20that you're
27:20giving a
27:21visa?
27:22What is the
27:22compulsion?
27:23Let the
27:24whole world
27:24know this.
27:25you're
27:25talking about
27:26the
27:27people who
27:27are
27:27fighting
27:28Pakistan
27:29and
27:29fighting
27:30you're
27:31fighting
27:31you're
27:32giving a
27:34visa.
27:35Why?
27:37Tell me this.
27:37Salman,
27:38sorry.
27:38Okay,
27:38Rohan,
27:39quickly respond.
27:39I have to
27:40bring in
27:40Salman
27:40soz immediately.
27:41But quickly
27:41respond.
27:42the problem
27:42with Ashut
27:43Tosi,
27:43he's
27:44forgetting
27:44what is
27:44happening
27:45in Maldives
27:48today.
27:48He's
27:49forgetting
27:49that.
27:49He's
27:50forgetting
27:50that
27:50Canada
27:50Prime
27:51Minister
27:51called up
27:52Mr.
27:52Modi,
27:52where
27:52Congress
27:53was
27:53trying
27:53to
27:53raise
27:54the
27:54issue.
27:54Their mouth
27:55got shut
27:55in just
27:56two days.
27:57It's a
27:57foreign policy.
27:58You have to
27:58ensure that
27:59when you say
27:59that India
28:00is not being
28:01supported by
28:02these countries,
28:02India is at
28:03the pace
28:03where we are
28:04going to be
28:04top five.
28:05Obviously,
28:05other countries
28:06will feel
28:06jittery.
28:07India has
28:07its own
28:08space.
28:08Whether
28:08it is
28:09defense
28:09exports
28:09or anything,
28:10Operation
28:11Sindhu has
28:11shown what
28:12is the
28:12power of
28:12India's
28:13defense.
28:14And that's
28:14why these
28:14countries are
28:15now jittery.
28:16India's
28:16largest,
28:17one-leck
28:17road exports
28:18of Indian
28:18defense.
28:19Has it
28:19happened in
28:19Congress
28:20government in
28:2070 years?
28:21You have
28:22just seen
28:22the
28:22corruptions,
28:23the
28:23Havala
28:23Kants,
28:24the
28:24Bofors.
28:25Why?
28:25Because there
28:26was no
28:26clear-cut
28:27objective of
28:28the government
28:28of making
28:29India,
28:29making
28:29India hub.
28:30That is
28:30what the
28:31chain
28:31today is.
28:32So I
28:32think you
28:32should be
28:33objective,
28:33Mr.
28:33Rasutosh.
28:34I have
28:34absolutely,
28:35you have
28:35right to
28:36give your
28:36opinion,
28:37but you
28:37should be
28:38objective.
28:38Let me
28:38just bring
28:40Salman
28:40Sows into
28:40this
28:41conversation
28:41and feel
28:42free to
28:42come and
28:43Salman at
28:43any time
28:44now that
28:44this is a
28:44conversation
28:45that's on
28:46the question
28:47that Deshra
28:48Thun
28:48also raised
28:49that Prime
28:49Minister
28:49Narendra
28:50Modi
28:50has received
28:52I think
28:5226 or
28:5327 top
28:54honors in
28:55the world
28:56of different
28:57countries,
28:58amongst the
28:59senior most
28:59democratically
29:00elected leaders
29:01in the
29:01world in
29:02his third
29:02term,
29:03does this
29:03not show
29:04India's
29:05rising
29:05importance
29:06across the
29:06world?
29:07You know,
29:07I was
29:07covering G7
29:08outreach in
29:09Canada,
29:10Mark Carney
29:11reached out
29:11to Prime
29:11Minister
29:12Narendra
29:12Modi,
29:12there's a
29:13reset in
29:13that
29:13relationship.
29:14Maldives
29:15after that
29:15India out
29:16has invited
29:17Prime Minister
29:18Narendra
29:18Modi as
29:19the chief
29:19guest of
29:20their national
29:21day because
29:21they know
29:22India's
29:23importance and
29:24India's
29:24Vasudhaevu
29:25Kutumbakam
29:26policy,
29:26they know
29:27they cannot
29:27survive without
29:28India or
29:29they cannot
29:29flourish without
29:29India.
29:30Does this
29:30not show
29:31India's
29:31resilience and
29:32power?
29:33Salman
29:33So,
29:34first of all,
29:35Gaurav,
29:35I think we
29:36should welcome
29:37any good
29:38moves on
29:39building a
29:40relationship with
29:41neighbouring
29:41countries,
29:42but unfortunately,
29:43I mean,
29:43this is good,
29:44Maldives is
29:44good,
29:45but if you
29:46have to be
29:46truly honest
29:47with yourself,
29:49we have to
29:50really be careful
29:51about where our
29:51foreign policy is
29:52headed.
29:53Our neighbourhood
29:53certainly doesn't
29:55look like a
29:55friendly neighbourhood
29:56to us.
29:57I think on the
29:58global stage,
29:59as we saw
30:00after Operation
30:01Sindhur,
30:02except for
30:02Israel,
30:03which has
30:03become almost
30:04like a
30:04prior nation
30:05now,
30:06no other
30:07country stood
30:07with India.
30:09Forget Donald
30:10Trump,
30:10of course,
30:11he's a bit
30:11of a strange
30:13figure,
30:14but no country
30:15actually came
30:16forward to
30:17condemn Pakistan
30:18directly.
30:19There was no
30:19Security Council
30:20resolution
30:20condemning terrorism
30:22coming out of
30:23Pakistan,
30:23as happened
30:24by the way
30:25during earlier
30:27crisis when the
30:27UPA government
30:28was in power.
30:29There is no
30:31FATF action
30:32against Pakistan
30:33as happened
30:34under Dr.
30:35Manmohan Singh.
30:35Dr.
30:35Manmohan Singh
30:36may have been
30:36a quiet
30:37Prime Minister,
30:38but he was
30:38a very effective
30:39Prime Minister.
30:40And please
30:40do not forget,
30:43we're in a
30:43very, very
30:44difficult situation.
30:46We have
30:46Russia,
30:47our old friend,
30:48its economy
30:48is now 7%
30:50of our economy,
30:527%.
30:53of the U.S.
30:54economy,
30:547%.
30:55And it is
30:56half of India's
30:56economy now.
30:57If you look
30:58at, you know,
30:59you have
30:59ascendant China.
31:01It is basically
31:01a rival nation
31:02and we have
31:03a trade deficit
31:04of almost
31:04$120 billion.
31:06That's crazy.
31:08I don't understand
31:08what policy
31:09we're running
31:09and, you know,
31:10I think
31:10Ashutosh is
31:11correct in some
31:12of the criticisms
31:13he's leveled.
31:13And then we
31:14have America
31:14which is not
31:15a reliable
31:16partner as far
31:16as I can tell.
31:17So we really
31:18need to think
31:19calmly about this.
31:20I will address
31:21two other things.
31:21You know,
31:23I know that
31:24Rohan keeps
31:24talking about
31:25India becoming
31:25the fifth biggest
31:26economy and
31:27the fourth biggest
31:27economy, etc.
31:29As an economist,
31:29I can tell you
31:30if Rohan Gupta
31:30was the prime
31:31minister,
31:31given the
31:32population dynamics
31:33and our general
31:33growth because
31:34we have very
31:35low per capita
31:35income,
31:36we would become
31:37the fourth
31:38and the third
31:38largest economy.
31:40Anyone of us
31:41could be prime
31:41minister and that
31:42would happen.
31:42It is no thanks
31:43to Mr. Narendra Modi.
31:44And finally,
31:45he talked about
31:45their bodies
31:46in Congress party
31:47and he talked
31:47about our election.
31:49He says three people
31:49decided in the
31:50Congress party
31:51is going to be
31:51Congress president.
31:52I ran Shashi Tharoor's
31:54campaign.
31:55We lost,
31:56but we fought hard.
31:57It was a genuine
31:58election and I
31:58challenged BJP to
32:00have that kind of
32:01an election during
32:02Narendra Modi and
32:02Amitya's time and
32:04I will resign from
32:05the Congress party.
32:06Okay.
32:07Rohan Gupta,
32:08last 30 seconds to
32:09finish your point,
32:10sir.
32:10And especially on
32:11the points of
32:11visas for Chinese
32:13in a hostile
32:14environment,
32:15environment that
32:15remains extremely
32:16precarious along the
32:17line of actual
32:18control.
32:18See,
32:20when Gaurav,
32:20we know that
32:21obviously the
32:22international relations
32:23are liquid and
32:24India as a country
32:25has come out very,
32:26very strongly.
32:27And that's why I was
32:28telling that UK,
32:28India,
32:29FTA today is a
32:30landmark,
32:31you know,
32:31step in that
32:32direction that our
32:33over-dependence on
32:34particular country
32:35should not be
32:35thought.
32:36We know what is the
32:36situation of US
32:37today.
32:37We cannot be
32:38blackmailed by
32:38anybody.
32:39As far as
32:39international policy
32:40is concerned,
32:41now we are
32:42seeing as one of
32:43the top leaders in
32:43the world.
32:44What is the
32:45position of India?
32:46India has been
32:47very,
32:47very strong in
32:48raising Pakistan's
32:49anti-terrorist
32:51thing across the
32:52world.
32:52Across the world.
32:53Who is saying
32:53nobody supported
32:54India?
32:55Everybody supported
32:56India in their
32:57drive against
32:58terrorism.
32:59Even China made
33:00the statement.
33:00So I think this
33:01is the problem
33:02here.
33:02The so-called
33:03analysts,
33:04they just question
33:04the action of
33:05other people.
33:06They don't see
33:07what is the
33:07action of Indian
33:08government and
33:08what is the
33:09final outcome,
33:09my friend.
33:10You should wait.
33:11We take no
33:18sides.
33:19We take no
33:19sides.
33:19You decide who's
33:23in sync and
33:24completely out of
33:25sync with ground
33:26realities.
33:27Ashutosh,
33:28Salman Sos,
33:28Deshra Tannigam
33:29and Rohan Gupta
33:30for joining me
33:31here on this
33:32India First
33:32special broadcast.
33:33Gentlemen,
33:34many thanks.
33:35Prime Minister
33:35Narendra Modi
33:36incidentally is in
33:37Maldives.
33:38it's the 60th
33:39year of
33:40diplomatic ties
33:41between the
33:41two countries
33:42and it signals
33:43a marked
33:44shift in
33:45the relationship
33:47between the
33:47two countries.
33:48President
33:49Mohamed
33:49Muizu,
33:50remember when
33:51he was
33:51campaigning and
33:52once he became
33:53president of
33:53Maldives,
33:54it was all
33:54about India
33:55out campaign.
33:56And that was
33:57very, very
33:58tough because
33:59India's really
34:00not just trusted
34:01Maldives but
34:02it's a country
34:02that India's
34:03helped all
34:04along.
34:05Ray,
34:06Maldives
34:07perhaps realized
34:08they cannot
34:08do without
34:09India.
34:10Even for
34:10water and
34:11medicines,
34:12they need
34:12India and
34:13not China.
34:14So being
34:15close to
34:15China hasn't
34:16helped them.
34:17Today a red
34:18carpet was
34:18rolled out for
34:19Prime Minister
34:19Narendra Modi.
34:20We get you
34:21more in this
34:21report.
34:21A joyous reception,
34:33an effusive
34:35handshake and
34:37plenty of
34:38warm hugs.
34:41These gestures
34:42by President
34:43Mohamed
34:43could not be
34:44more indicative
34:45of a reset
34:46of India-Maldives
34:47ties.
34:47from India
34:51out to
34:52India in
34:52in just
34:53two years
34:53and half.
34:55President
34:55Mohamed
34:55has now
34:56asserted
34:56that
34:57Bharat
34:57remains a
34:58key source
34:58for
34:59Maldivian
34:59tourism.
35:00Cultural
35:02exchanges,
35:03tourism,
35:04education and
35:06familial bonds,
35:07we continue to
35:08strengthen mutual
35:09understanding and
35:11goodwill between
35:12our nations.
35:13Looking ahead,
35:15we are fully
35:15committed to
35:16further strengthen
35:17our cooperation
35:18with India across
35:20a broad range of
35:21sectors through
35:22exchange of
35:23high-level
35:23visits.
35:24President
35:25Mohamed
35:25also expressing
35:26thanks to the
35:27Indian government
35:28for providing
35:2872 heavy
35:29vehicles and
35:31acknowledging that
35:32the Greater
35:32Malay Connectivity
35:33Project once
35:34completed will
35:35stand as a
35:36lasting symbol of
35:37partnership between
35:38both nations.
35:40Prime Minister
35:41and I will be
35:42inaugurating
35:42Dosimena building
35:44developed with
35:45Indian grant
35:46assistance.
35:47This assistance
35:48is a testament
35:49to this
35:50partnership.
35:52I express my
35:53sincere appreciation
35:54to India for
35:55the provision of
35:5672 vehicles to
35:58the Maldives
35:58National Defense
35:59Force.
36:01Prime Minister
36:01Narendra Modi
36:02was quick to
36:03affirm that
36:04India-Maldives
36:05ties will reach
36:06new heights,
36:07as India always
36:08puts friendship
36:09first.
36:09भारत
36:11मालदिव
36:12का
36:12सबसे
36:14करीबी
36:15परोसी
36:15है.
36:17मालदिव
36:18भारत की
36:20Neighborhood
36:20First Policy
36:21और
36:23महासागर
36:24वीजन
36:25दोनों
36:26में
36:27एक
36:28एहम
36:28स्थान
36:29रखता है.
36:30भारत
36:31को
36:31मालदिव
36:33का
36:33सबसे
36:34भारोसे
36:36मंदर
36:36मित्र हुने
36:37पर भी
36:38गर वठ है.
36:40He has also
36:41called Maldives
36:42India's
36:42closest neighbor
36:43and has
36:44asserted that
36:45it has stood
36:45by Malay
36:46in every
36:47crisis.
36:49हमारी
36:50development
36:50partnership
36:51को
36:52नई उडान
36:53देने
36:54के लिए
36:54हमने
36:56Maldives
36:56के लिए
36:56565
36:59million
37:00डॉलर
37:00यानि
37:01लगभग
37:025,000
37:04करोड
37:04रुपीय
37:04की
37:05लाइन
37:05अफ
37:05क्रेडिट
37:06देने
37:06का
37:06निलने
37:07लिया
37:07है.
37:09यह
37:09मालदिव
37:10के लोगों
37:11की प्राफिक्ताओ
37:11के अनुरूप
37:12यहां के
37:14इंफ्रासेक्टर
37:15से
37:15के विकास
37:17से जूड़ी
37:17परियोजनाओं
37:18के लिए
37:19इस्तिमाल ली जाए.
37:21And Prime Minister Modi
37:23was quick to affirm
37:24that India-Maldiv's
37:25relationship
37:26will reach new heights.
37:31Prime Minister Narendra Modi
37:32is the first head of the government
37:34to be hosted by
37:35President Mohamed Moizu.
37:39This time Modi
37:40is the guest of honor
37:41for Maldiv's 60th Independence Day.
37:45India is expected
37:46to extend a line of credit
37:48worth $565 million
37:50to Maldivs
37:51and talks on a free trade agreement
37:53are expected to formally begin.
37:56Written by debt from China,
37:58the island nation
37:59had strained ties with India
38:01after Maldiv's ministers
38:02posted objectionable comments
38:04about the Indian Prime Minister.
38:08PM Modi responded
38:09with serene pictures
38:10from Lakshwadim,
38:12bringing down Maldiv's
38:13tourism sector
38:14to an all-time low.
38:17Since then,
38:18Mali has been on a corrective track
38:20and the gestures
38:21by President Mohamed Moizu
38:22now affirmed to it.
38:24India has extended
38:26a line of credit
38:27worth $565 million
38:29to Maldivs
38:30and has announced
38:31the initiation of negotiations
38:33for a free trade agreement
38:34between the two countries.
38:36From once being vilified
38:38as a bully
38:39to now being embraced
38:40as a bestie,
38:41Maldiv stands as a case study
38:43on how India
38:44has successfully recalibrated
38:46the geopolitical balance
38:47in the Indian Ocean region.
38:50Bureau Report,
38:51India Today.
38:57Illegal madrasas
38:59are mushrooming
38:59all along the India-Nepal border.
39:03Especially on the Indian side,
39:05there's a proliferation
39:06of these madrasas
39:07and these are very
39:08shadily run institutions.
39:11Police believe
39:12that they pose a threat
39:13to India's internal security.
39:16Where does the funding
39:16come from?
39:17Apparently,
39:18through Havala channels.
39:20For what?
39:21For terrorism.
39:23Apparently,
39:23even for illegal conversion.
39:25These madrasas
39:26are often centre
39:27for radicalisation
39:28of young Indian-Muslim youth.
39:31Now,
39:31India Today's
39:32special investigation team,
39:33it went undercover
39:35to expose
39:36these unregulated madrasas
39:38that are mushrooming,
39:39they're coming up
39:39all along
39:40these bordering districts
39:41in Bihar.
39:42And this eye-opening
39:43special investigation
39:45by India Today's
39:46special correspondent,
39:47Nitin Jain,
39:48exposes a massive threat
39:50to India's
39:51internal security.
39:58We now take you
39:59to the neighbouring
40:00state of Bihar,
40:01which shares
40:01a long border
40:02with Nepal.
40:03We visited
40:04a dozen madrasas
40:05here to discover
40:06a network
40:06of unregulated
40:07institutions
40:08that thrive
40:09on illegal funding.
40:13This is the
40:14Jamia Nuriya
40:15Mirajul Uloon,
40:16a private madrasa
40:17in Bihar's
40:18Muzaffarpur district.
40:20It has been
40:20imparting Islamic
40:21education
40:22for the past
40:2230 years.
40:24Around 50 students
40:25study here,
40:26including 10 orphans.
40:28We met
40:29Afzal Inam Qadri
40:30who has been
40:31teaching here
40:31for 26 years.
40:33Posing as
40:34representatives
40:34of a Delhi-based
40:36NGO,
40:37we offered him
40:37charity funds
40:38from Gulf countries.
40:40Money that
40:41could be routed
40:41only through
40:42Hawala channels.
40:43in the
41:13We asked again what could be done for the Mujahideen and for Jihad.
41:34The answer will shock you.
41:43The answer will be the answer to the question of the Mujahideen.
41:55The Mujahideen are the correct answer to the question.
42:03...
42:08...
42:10...
42:14...
42:18...
42:23...
42:26...
42:27...
42:31Thank you very much.
43:01No name, no address, no signboard.
43:10Hidden deep in the remote Bajpatti area of Sitamari district along the Nepal border runs
43:16an unrecognized madrasa known as the Madrasa Islamiyah Mahmudiyah.
43:21It stands alone with no settlements in its vicinity.
43:29The madrasa operates out of two rooms and also has a small hostel for boys aged between
43:347 and 16.
43:36It has about 150 students on its rolls, out of which 25 are hostiliers.
43:42Lacking in basic amenities, the madrasa was shifted to this deserted location three years
43:47ago.
43:48Maulana Azruddin Dilkush, the man running this madrasa claims his real passion is Shairi.
43:54When we told him that we represented a Delhi based NGO and that donations would come
43:59from Gulf countries through the Hawala channel, this is what he had to say.
44:04In the first place, Gujarat is a small foundation.
44:10He has worked in that area.
44:12He has worked in a small town where he has 10 or 15 houses, the man who has been
44:17built in the Havaad.
44:18He has been built in the Havaad.
44:19But he has been built in the Havaad.
44:21He has built in the Havaad.
44:23But in the meantime, he is a host of his staff.
44:24If he is from Gujarat, then he will have to go.
44:26So, the Havaad has also been given money.
44:27And the Havaad has also given money.
44:29And the Havaad has also given money.
44:30It became clear from a conversation with Azruddin that
44:36Hawala Mani was not new to him.
44:39In the past troop, Mani from Gulf countries reached his
44:42maktabs via Nepal.
45:00Azruddin openly admitted that almost all madrasas in the area survive on Gulf
45:05Pani and big donors guide them on how to manage it.
45:30We asked about Bangladeshi children whose parents were reportedly sent back to Bangladesh.
45:43Could those kids study at his madrasa?
46:00The India Today team got a tip-off about another illegal madrasa in the Sitamani district.
46:27This is a remote village called Deema in the Parsoni area.
46:32There is no signboard anywhere but the madrasa is operating illegally from a government community
46:39hall.
46:41Inside this two-room community centre, the madrasa claims to teach 250 children.
46:48Here we meet the madrasa's teacher Maulvi Faisal who revealed something shocking.
46:53As part of the curriculum, they screen videos of Zakir Naik, a controversial Islamic preacher
47:00and among India's most wanted fugitives to the young students.
47:04as a teacher, we have been able to receive a visit and keep the support of the children.
47:11We also learn to teach the children and teach the children and go to the hospital.
47:14The family and children will be able to help them.
47:15We are able to help them to help them.
47:16We are able to help them, the doctors get a lot better.
47:17We are able to help them out of the hospital, and we are able to help them.
47:18The Taalim al-Islam is a controversial book on the basics of Islam that is still taught
47:46in several madarsas in Bihar, but this book continues to be part of the syllabus in several
47:52unregulated madarsas.
48:16So imagine that these unregulated, unregistered madarsas, you have Zakir Nayak's teachings
48:36being taught to young, impressionable minds.
48:38Now these are the unregulated madarsas on the Indian side of the India-Nepal border.
48:44The India Today undercover team also crossed over to bring you this report on what's
48:50happening at the madarsas that are mushrooming across this border belt, even in Nepal.
48:56And there are some air-conditioned madarsas, there are some luxury mosques that are coming
49:02up in these areas, indoctrination, Hawala network, or other anti-national elements including Pakistan's
49:09ISI that are, that is feared to be active in that region.
49:14We get you more in this report.
49:19We drove nearly 20 km inside Nepal to meet Mohammad Shahid Hussain who runs the madarsas
49:24Ahasanya in Mahautari district.
49:25Shahid had no qualms about taking money rooted through Hawala from Gulf countries.
49:29We also asked Shahid about the kind of religious education being imparted to the students in his
49:31madarsas.
49:32Shahid had no qualms.
49:33Shahid had no qualms about taking money rooted through Hawala from Gulf countries.
49:46We also asked Shahid about the kind of religious education being imparted to the students in his
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50:01.
50:04also he wants you to help to 둘 and own your family's right.
50:07Ahasanya is always a long time for a tribe and that is the key to theelfial mine.
50:14Shai told us that in Nepal, there is no restriction of a mother's board and that zakat money comes from foreign countries.
50:44Shai told us that in the US, the government is now safe and that is not safe.
51:04Shahid also admitted that people come from Pakistan and Lebanon to deliver motivational
51:24speeches in Nepal.
51:26If we can arrange some speakers to Pakistan, then you will have a motivation for them.
51:37They will come from Pakistan.
51:39They will not come from Pakistan.
51:41Do they come from Pakistan?
51:42Yes, they come from the ministry.
51:44In the ministry?
51:45In the ministry.
51:46In the ministry.
51:47In the ministry.
51:48In the ministry.
51:49In the ministry.
51:50In the ministry.
51:52, humans can be able to understand this.
51:58, they canCIT just start their own.
52:15In Nepal's Dhanusha district.
52:17The head teacher of the MURDASA Kadriya Gul Shen raza.
52:20was ready to do anything through Hawala.
52:22His name is Naimuddin.
52:25We told Naimuddin about distributing books
52:27related to Jihad and Mujahideen to children
52:29and he was ready to make them read those.
52:50We insisted that the children must be made aware
52:59about attacks on Islam in many countries
53:01and connect them with Jihad.
53:03And for that, Naimuddin was ready.
53:08But you have understood my mind, right?
53:11To prepare for what kind of books to make them.
53:15MashaAllah.
53:17Malab.
53:20This particular Madrasa is a Hindu majority area.
53:31That's why Naimuddin wanted to give Jihadi teachings secretly.
53:34Vira Report, India Today.
54:00Now it's for the investigating agencies
54:07to take over this investigation
54:09and take action against these illegal madrasas
54:11flourishing along the India-Nepal border.
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54:29in relation to these illegal bad changes.
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