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After twenty years in congress, Curt Weldon was about to become chairman of the House Armed Services Committee when he publicly questioned the accuracy of the 9/11 report.
In retaliation, the Bush administration sent federal agents to his daughter’s house and ended his political career. At 77, Weldon has decided to tell the truth about what actually happened on September 11th, 2001.
W. Curtis. Weldon
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Tucker Carlson
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In retaliation, the Bush administration sent federal agents to his daughter’s house and ended his political career. At 77, Weldon has decided to tell the truth about what actually happened on September 11th, 2001.
W. Curtis. Weldon
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Tucker Carlson
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00:00:00We recorded the interview you're about to watch five days ago, and I've been thinking about it
00:00:04ever since. It's with a former congressman from Pennsylvania called Kurt Weldon. Kurt Weldon was
00:00:09a very significant figure in Washington 20 years ago. He was not some obscure backbencher. He was
00:00:14one of the most powerful Republicans in the Congress about to take over the Armed Services
00:00:18Committee until he asked questions about the official story on 9-11, at which point the Bush
00:00:25administration sent the FBI to his daughter's house, destroyed her life, never charged her
00:00:29with a crime, and effectively got Kurt Weldon bounced out of Congress. I haven't talked
00:00:34to him in 20 years. I didn't know exactly what to expect, but this conversation, the one you're
00:00:39about to see, raises far more questions than I ever anticipated. This is not a crazy person.
00:00:44These are not crazy questions. He makes no claims he doesn't have personal firsthand evidence
00:00:50of. When it ended, I asked him how many other officials who were in and around Washington
00:00:56during 9-11 have similar questions, and he said to me, as far as I know, all of them, and
00:01:03he's still in touch with a lot of those people. After this conversation, which again we've been
00:01:06thinking about ever since, I thought it might be time to look a little more deeply into the
00:01:119-11 commission report. Was it accurate? 9-11 changed the United States forever. Those
00:01:17of us who remember it, who lived through it, can tell you this was a different country afterward,
00:01:22completely different, and not a better country. And so there is no more significant historical
00:01:28event in the lifetimes of any living American than 9-11. And the fact that there are still
00:01:32outstanding questions about what exactly happened and why is troubling. Up until this point, most
00:01:39of the people who've addressed these questions are either crazy or seem slightly crazy. Now is
00:01:44the time for a sober look. Not a wild-eyed speculative look, but an honest look and honest
00:01:51conversations with people who participated in the response to that day, government officials.
00:01:57And so we're going to do that. We are planning right now a multi-part documentary series on 9-11.
00:02:03And we hope to bring that to you as soon as we possibly can. And now, former Congressman
00:02:07Kurt Weldon. Congressman, thank you so much for doing this. I haven't seen you in 20 years.
00:02:11One of the last times I thought about you was right around 2006. And you had been a frequent
00:02:18guest on the show that I was hosting then. And I read that the FBI had raided your daughter's
00:02:22house. And I thought, man, I was like Kurt Weldon. I guess he's corrupt. And then I never heard
00:02:28anything about it. And then you lost that election to a guy who I always thought was kind of repulsive.
00:02:33And then probably 15 years passed. And I thought to myself, wait a second, Kurt Weldon was the
00:02:38only Republican I'm aware of who criticized the U.S. response, the intel agency's response
00:02:45to 9-11, who wrote a book blaming elements of the U.S. government for allowing 9-11 to
00:02:51happen and then covering it up. And then right on the cusp of becoming, tell me if I'm getting
00:02:55this wrong, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, the FBI raids your daughter's house
00:03:00and you lose an election in which your opponent has funding from all over the United States.
00:03:04No one's ever heard of this guy. All of a sudden, he's got more money and you're out of Congress.
00:03:09And I began to think, maybe this was a setup. So I thought I would ask you.
00:03:13Well, it definitely was. And you're always one of my heroes. I enjoyed your show with Paul
00:03:18Begala and when I did Henry Combs and all the others and enjoyed. And I took my work very
00:03:25seriously. I'm a teacher by profession, youngest of nine kids, firefighter as a volunteer all my
00:03:31life. And that's my devotion even to this day. I don't get any money for it, but it's what I'm
00:03:35committed to and why I care about 9-11 so much. I was at 9-11. I was not 9-11. I was at Trade
00:03:42Center in 93 at the invitation of Fire Commissioner Howard Safer to go up there and learn about what
00:03:48had occurred the first time they attacked us. And they introduced me to a young fire officer,
00:03:52former Marine, five kids named Ray Downey. He became one of my best friends. Ray told me what he
00:03:58thought we should do. I took his advice seriously and wrote the legislation to create the Gilmore
00:04:03Commission. The Gilmore Commission was chaired by Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, a man of integrity.
00:04:08I had him on a podcast last September for 20 minutes. And the Gilmore Commission's recommendations
00:04:14were largely what the 9-11 Commission took credit for after the fact. One of those recommendations
00:04:19was to have a fusion center of intelligence be put together. At the time, I was doing this on behalf
00:04:26of the firefighters to deal with disasters. I was in the position to oversee the funding as the
00:04:32chairman of all military research and technology funding, about $180 billion. The services were
00:04:38building information-dominant centers. The Army's was at Fort Belvoir, and I would get down there
00:04:43regularly and meet with them, and we became good friends. I didn't bother getting right into the
00:04:49program. I didn't need to, but I knew what they were using with new software like Starlight Inspires
00:04:54and fusion and data mining and analysis and link analysis. This is going to be important to prevent
00:05:00what happened in 93. So I supported that. Which was the first bombing of the World Trade Center. First
00:05:04bombing. Right. And as a result, I went to John Hamry, Deputy Secretary of Defense under Clinton,
00:05:10and I said, John, you have to go see what they're doing down there. He did. He called me, said,
00:05:14you're right, Mr. Chairman. And by the way, John Hamry had endorsed me for chairman of the committee
00:05:18in 2000, as did Rumsfeld. You know, this is before 9-11, obviously. Both endorsed me publicly. I had
00:05:26their letters. And he said, but you've got to convince the CIA and the FBI to let us use their
00:05:31raw data because there are 33 classified systems, and if they don't allow us to use their data, this
00:05:37won't succeed. On November the 4th of 1999, in my office in the Rayburn building, I had John Hamry,
00:05:44Deputy Secretary of Defense. I had the Deputy Director of the FBI, and I had their names,
00:05:48and the Deputy Director of the CIA. And we talked about the NOAA, National Operation Analysis Hub,
00:05:54Policymaker, and Warfighters Tool to Deal with Emerging Transnational Terrorist Threats,
00:05:59the Fusion Center. Hamry said, we need this. I'll manage it. I said, I'll get it funded.
00:06:04The FBI said, great, we're all in. And the CIA said, we don't want it. We're not supporting it.
00:06:09We're doing something called CI-21 on our own. I spent two years traveling around
00:06:14the country giving speeches at intelligence forums calling for a fusion center. I put language
00:06:20in two successive defense bills calling for a fusion center. 9-11 happens. I get frantic calls
00:06:27from four of those professional staffers at the Able Danger team, which I later learned was the name
00:06:33of this group at Fort Belvoir. We have to see you right away, Mr. Chairman. Scott Philpott,
00:06:38Annapolis grad, Navy career officer, commander of four ships, pleading with me to meet.
00:06:45Tony Schaefer, Lieutenant Colonel, Bronze Star recipient, spy for the military. Eileen Pricer,
00:06:51Air Force career intelligence officer, expert on computers, and Eric Clinesmith.
00:06:58I met with each of them privately. They all told me the same story, and they rolled out the charts that
00:07:03I just showed you. Those charts I will make public now because they're not classified.
00:07:08I showed them when I testified before the Senate hearing. We identified every cell of Al-Qaeda in
00:07:14the world the year before 9-11. We identified the New York cell a year before 9-11. We knew
00:07:21there was going to be a problem. The Able Danger team tried to go to the FBI and Justice Department
00:07:27three times. We have the names. All three times they were stopped. We have the names of the person,
00:07:33the FBI, that was told to deny the meetings. They were not allowed to transfer the information.
00:07:39That information, when I came out with my book, Louis Free, former FBI director, wrote in an op-ed
00:07:44in the Wall Street Journal and said on Good Morning America, could I prevent 9-11 from happening?
00:07:49That's not me saying that. That's Louis Free. And General Keith Lambert, our general in charge of
00:07:57special operations on horseback, was asked in this award-winning book, became a movie,
00:08:02on page 27. General, what were your thoughts when 9-11 happened? And he said, within seconds,
00:08:08I knew who had done the attack, and I knew it involved Mohammed Atta. Thirdly, after this all broke,
00:08:15and I came out with my book criticizing the agency and started really going crazy protecting these brave
00:08:20heroes that were being abused by defense intelligence, the inspector general for the Pentagon
00:08:26files a whistleblower paper. I have a copy of it. I'll give it to you. His name is John Crane.
00:08:31He asked for protection because his bosses in DIA refused to allow him to become a whistleblower when
00:08:39he told them that he was told to lie to the Congress. He was told to misinform the Congress.
00:08:43I have that in writing, Tucker. The 9-11 Commission is a cover-up, 1,000% cover-up.
00:08:51Zelikow was the lead of the cover-up. Philip Zelikow was the chairman. Philip Zelikow. He was
00:08:55handpicked by Condoleezza Rice. When Tony Schaefer met Zelikow over in Afghanistan, because Zelikow took a
00:09:04team through to see if there were soldiers who had maybe encountered some information about 9-11
00:09:08in advance. Tony Schaefer had been back deployed in Afghanistan at the time, so he told his commanding
00:09:15officer I should talk to them because I was a part of a special team. He met with Zelikow. They exchanged
00:09:20business cards and Kabul, and Zelikow said to him, Lieutenant Colonel, you've got to see me as soon as you
00:09:27get back to America. It's very important. When Tony went back to the States, they had shut down his office,
00:09:33locked his office, secured all his files, and they then worked to destroy his personal
00:09:39reputation. They tried to destroy his career. I went to the floor and did a one-hour special order,
00:09:46calling it a scandal bigger than Watergate. You can watch the footage. It's available online.
00:09:51I said, this is outrageous that the Defense Intelligence Agency is screwing a Lieutenant Colonel
00:09:55because he's telling the truth about what he was told to talk about when he came back from Afghanistan.
00:10:00Tony Schaefer then went to work in the reserves because he had been basically harassed by the
00:10:09regular army because of what Zelikow did. So I just want to back up a couple steps. So you're saying
00:10:15what others have said before, which is that elements of the U.S. government worked really,
00:10:20really hard to hide the fact that they could have prevented 9-11, that they had all the relevant
00:10:26information and, for whatever reason, ignored it. But motive really matters here. Do you believe
00:10:32that there were people in the U.S. government who made a bunch of mistakes or were too territorial and
00:10:38didn't share information with other agencies, therefore 9-11 happened, which is basically the
00:10:41conclusion of the 9-11 report, I think? Or do you believe that there were people in the U.S.
00:10:45government who knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen on purpose?
00:10:48Well, first of all, the 9-11 report has no credibility. I don't believe anything that is
00:10:53in that. That's a bunch of garbage. It's a lot of paper that has no substance. And I tend not to
00:11:00want to speculate on things that I can't prove 100% myself or I'm not willing to take a polygraph.
00:11:05What I can tell you unequivocally is there was a cover-up. And before I answer your question,
00:11:10I would state one more fact. Tony Schaefer got approval from his commanding general after this
00:11:15whole thing happened to read his memoirs. His memoirs are called Dark Heart. So he wrote the
00:11:20book. He had a publisher. He went to his commanding general to review the book as his protocol.
00:11:26His commanding general said, fine, Tony. There's nothing there. That's a problem.
00:11:29Publish it. Tony publishes the book. Our deep state finds out he's publishing the book.
00:11:35A cease and desist order is issued against the publisher. Stop publishing the book. It's too late.
00:11:40Our government, our government buys all 10,000 copies of the first edition of Dark Heart with
00:11:49taxpayer money and they destroy them. So I asked Tony on a show last September, as I've done many
00:11:56times, Tony, you have the original version of the book, right? Yes. Here it is, Congressman.
00:12:01You have the redacted version, right? Yes, here it is. What did they want out of your book that was so
00:12:07sensitive? What secret information were you giving, Tony? What classified information did
00:12:12your boss not see? He said, Congressman, the only thing they wanted out of my book was the fact that
00:12:18I named Zelical and that I had briefed him in advance. That, Tucker, is treason. That means our
00:12:26agencies, our agencies use their position, not for something involving our national security,
00:12:33but for involving a cover-up of a person's identity who was publicly approved by the
00:12:39Congress of the United States, appointed by the security advisor to President Bush. It's a massive
00:12:44cover-up. At what point following 9-11, since I just want to restate you served in Congress for
00:12:52about 20 years, I think, yep, and you really were at the heart of these national security questions
00:12:59in the Congress. You were about to become chairman of Farm Services. So, you're at the top of the
00:13:05pyramid for receiving relevant intelligence. At what point, you weren't just some random guy at all.
00:13:12At what point after 9-11, the attacks of that day, did you realize there's something bad going on here?
00:13:19Well, it started before 9-11 when I realized that the intelligence I was getting as the vice
00:13:24chairman of the committee was not really solid intelligence. I would get better information
00:13:31from Bill Gertz, a reporter that you know, coming to me with anonymous sources leaking to him
00:13:36about Intel matters, and I would then go to the CIA and say, why am I getting this information from
00:13:42a reporter that I know you're leaking from classified sources that I'm not getting as a member of Congress
00:13:47who's the vice chairman of the defense committee? Are you playing games with me? And they wouldn't answer
00:13:52that. And that's what they do. They play games by manipulating the media to put out a narrative,
00:13:58and then we have to deal with that narrative. So, Tucker, what I did, there's a group in Washington
00:14:03that was known as the cockroaches. They're a group of people that work for the intelligence agencies
00:14:07that get along socially, and I knew them all. They trusted me. I formed a loose network of about 15 or
00:14:1420. We met for breakfast every week in the members' dining room in the Capitol, and they would feed me
00:14:19raw data. They would feed me raw data, then I would go to the classified briefings using that raw data,
00:14:24and I would ask questions of the CIA in front of the entire committee, and in many cases, I was the
00:14:29acting chairman because the chairman wasn't there. So, here I am, the acting chairman of the entire
00:14:34committee of armed services that fully embarrassed the intelligence agencies, and I'll get into that
00:14:40when we talk about the 9-11 information and post-9-11 where they put Bin Laden. The point is that
00:14:46the agency plays games with Congress. The Congress thinks it's getting good information, and it's
00:14:52not. Yes. The agency wants members fighting with each other over stupid things so they can do what
00:14:57they want, and it's not all. There are good people in the agencies that I worked with, and I would go
00:15:01to war over, but there are some scumbags. I know those scumbags. At the appropriate time, I'll name
00:15:08those scumbags who have made millions and millions of dollars and are making millions and millions of
00:15:13dollars today. They're making it in Ukraine. They're making it around the world because of
00:15:18context they established, and all that ties back to their positions that they got, supposedly working
00:15:24intelligence for the U.S. That's not what this country's all about. Yes, about my daughter.
00:15:30Great. So, give us the timeline. So, you, 9-11 happens, you keep ascending in Congress, and you
00:15:36really, and I remember this well because I interviewed you on these topics at the time 20 years ago when your
00:15:41book came out, and you start saying, wait a second, the U.S. government really blew this.
00:15:46There are people who knew this was happening, was going to happen, and for whatever reason didn't
00:15:51stop it, and you're really the only Republican who's saying this, and then 2006, you're up for
00:15:57re-election. It's an even year, of course, and you're from your district in Pennsylvania after 20
00:16:02years, and out of nowhere, the FBI raids your daughter's house, and we're all told it's because
00:16:08she's corrupt, you're corrupt, etc., etc., and then you lose, and we kind of lose track of you, and
00:16:14Washington goes on as it does, and no one talks about 9-11 again. I think that's fair to say. I mean, I
00:16:19was there. I remember when all this happened, though. I didn't put it together in my head at all until
00:16:24about a year ago. I was thinking about this in the shower. Whatever happened to Kurt Weldon and his
00:16:27daughter? So, I go on the internet, and I'm like, is Kurt Weldon's daughter in prison because she's so
00:16:31corrupt? Never talked to her. So, what happened? So, here's what happened. In 1999 and 2000,
00:16:38they wanted me to run for chairman of the committee. They'd jump over four or five members. Which
00:16:42committee? The Armed Services Committee, but in Congress, the protocol is you wait. Of course. So,
00:16:47I have letters, which I can show you, Tucker, from Donald Rumsfeld endorsing me to become chairman
00:16:53of the Armed Services Committee in 2000. Yes. I have a letter from Deputy Secretary of Defense
00:16:58John Henry endorsing me to become chairman of the committee in 2000. Dozens and dozens of
00:17:04letters. Then 9-11 happens. I felt personally responsible because I knew that we could have
00:17:10prevented it by the information that the Able Danger team, established by General Hugh Shelton,
00:17:17had gathered and tried to transfer three times and were blocked. So, I said, uh-uh. I owe this to
00:17:23Ray Downey. I'm wearing his jacket today. I owe this to the firefighters in New York and around the
00:17:28country to get to the truth. If it's the last thing I do. And I owe it to all those soldiers
00:17:33that we're now sending overseas. That's right. So, what I did, Tucker, I supported George Bush when
00:17:39he said, we're going to send our troops over to Afghanistan. He made those heroic comments about
00:17:44we're going to get them. I took that as a patriotic American and said, yes, we're going to get them.
00:17:48But I was worried about what the Afghans might do as they did the Russian troops when they were in
00:17:53Afghanistan. So, Tucker, with Al Santoli, whom you know, and two other members of Congress, I
00:18:00privately, without the knowledge of our government or the CIA, I went to Paris. We met with King
00:18:07Zahir Shah, the king of Afghanistan who was living in exile with his family in Paris. We met with him
00:18:14to convince him to go back to Kabul to convene a lawyer Georgia of all the tribes to convince them
00:18:21to accept the American troops before they went in so it wouldn't be like they did with Russia.
00:18:26King Zahir Shah agreed to that. I'll give you the photographs, Tucker. And I had two members of
00:18:32Congress and Al Santoli with me, decorated Vietnam veteran. Zahir Shah went back. I did all I could
00:18:38to protect our American troops, not the CIA, our troops. Then I find out. My intel team,
00:18:46those 20 people that were feeding me raw data, give me data within months after 9-11 that bin
00:18:53Laden's been sighted in a town called Ladiz. I have no idea where Ladiz is. So I grew up Pennsylvania
00:18:59Avenue at a bookstore and buy a map. I just gave you the map here today, Tucker. You can show it.
00:19:04And I found Ladiz. It's not in Afghanistan. It's not in Pakistan. It's in Iran, in an area called
00:19:13Balochistan. So I go to the next classified briefing for the full committee. Now I'm the
00:19:18vice chairman of the full committee. There are 60 members. I'm the acting chairman at this time.
00:19:23So I said to the CIA, I have information of bin Laden's in Ladiz. This is their response to me.
00:19:29Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them. I was in shock.
00:19:38I was in shock. We're sending kids to die in Afghanistan and we can't confirm or deny
00:19:43whether or not bin Laden's in Ladiz. Three months go by. I'm still supporting the president.
00:19:49My intel team comes back to me and say, Kurt, he's being treated at a military hospital outside of
00:19:55Tehran. I go back to the classified briefing and I asked the question in front of the full
00:20:01committee. And the answer from the CIA is, Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can
00:20:06either confirm or deny that bin Laden is being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran
00:20:11while we're sending kids to die in Afghanistan. I said, this is outrageous. And then, Tucker,
00:20:19I get a call from Jack Murtha, the most respected Democrat in the House, former Marine who I work
00:20:26with closely. And he says to me, I want you to meet with Ron Klink, Democrat from Pittsburgh. And
00:20:31Ron Klink's still alive. He'll verify this, Tucker. Jack's dead, but Ron's alive. He said, Jack has a
00:20:38person who used to work for the agency that has information about Iran. And you investigate this
00:20:43kind of stuff, Kurt. Will you meet with him? I said, sure. Ron Klink comes to my office and brings this
00:20:48very tall man who's a former person from the Swedish area, but he's a U.S. citizen. And I said,
00:20:56how can I help you? You know, Congressman Murtha asked me to help. Ron Klink wants me to help.
00:21:00He said, Congressman, I want you to help me get into Iran. I said, why do you want to go to Iran?
00:21:07He said, that's where bin Laden is. I said, why would you tell me that bin Laden's in Iran?
00:21:12He said, I was a knock for the agency. Do you know what a knock is? Yeah, non-official cover.
00:21:16That's right. He said, I was a knock for the agency. And I worked that area. And my friends
00:21:21are seeing bin Laden in Iran. If you help me get to Tehran, I'll leave my identity there.
00:21:26I'll get a piece of him dead or alive, and I'll bring it back. At the time, there was a $25 million
00:21:31reward for bin Laden. I said, I can't help you right now because I'm in a battle over this follow-up
00:21:38to 9-11. Then I get another call, Tucker, from the Interior Department, totally separate.
00:21:45They want to bring in their top bird man, their bird expert. I didn't think that was unusual
00:21:51because I was a Republican on the Migratory Bird Commission. The Migratory Bird Commission.
00:21:55I didn't know there was a Migratory Bird Commission.
00:21:56It oversees all the flyways for all the refuges up and down the coast. I was a Republican.
00:22:01Duck hunters like me, thank you, by the way.
00:22:03John Dingell was a Democrat.
00:22:05Of course. I've duck hunted with him, yeah.
00:22:06There were two senators and three cabinet members. So I figured they want to talk about
00:22:10birds. I'm on the Bird Commission. I'll meet with them. So this Interior Department bird
00:22:15expert brings in a U.S. citizen from Maine who's a Sikh, but he's a U.S. citizen, very wealthy
00:22:20family. And he's got two falcons on his shoulders, million-dollar birds with the blinders on,
00:22:25beautiful, into my office. I said, boy, they're gorgeous. How can I help you? He said, well,
00:22:30Congressman, I've devoted my life to falcons. He said, I helped write the U.N. protection
00:22:35treaties on falconry. He said, I trained all the children of the royal families in the sport
00:22:41of falconry.
00:22:42Yes.
00:22:42Because that's their sport. He said, they all know me. They all trust me.
00:22:45In the Arab world. It's huge.
00:22:46Yes.
00:22:47Yes.
00:22:47He said, so, and I want to help the country, and there's a reward for bin Laden. I said,
00:22:51yeah, I know that. He said, I want you to help me go to Iran. I said, why do you want
00:22:57to go to Iran? Now, he knows nothing about anything else I'm doing. My falconers are
00:23:02seeing bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. You help me go to Iran. They'll accept me there
00:23:07because they know me. I'll tag his birds, and I'll take the U.S. to exactly where he
00:23:12is. That's four full-source identities that bin Laden was exactly where my intel people said
00:23:22he was. Over the course of time, Tucker, I developed 10 silver bullets. They wanted to
00:23:29do a movie about me after they took me out, and I'll get to when they took me out. I got
00:23:33a call from Michael Scheuer. Michael was career CIA. After I was taken out of office, he called
00:23:39my home. He said, Congressman, do you remember me? I said, vaguely, Michael. He said, well,
00:23:42I was the chairman of the bin Laden task force in the CIA, and these people that have met with
00:23:47you have shown me documents I never saw when I was working in the agency, and I was the bin Laden
00:23:52task force director. He said, we want you to work with us. We want you to be involved in a movie
00:23:56we're doing. I said, Michael, after what they did to my family, I can't do it right now.
00:24:01I hung up the phone. I get a call from General McInerney about three months later, Tom McInerney.
00:24:06He said, Congressman, do you remember me? I said, yes, General, I remember you. He said, I'd like you to
00:24:10work with us, Congressman. I'm working with Michael Scheuer and the Falconer, and we want you to be,
00:24:15I said, I'm not getting involved after what they did to my family. They all had the same story,
00:24:20Tucker. So what was happening in 2006? All my elections were landslides.
00:24:27But can I just ask you to pause for one second? So you had a lot of evidence, it sounds like.
00:24:32Absolute evidence.
00:24:33That bin Laden was not in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Right.
00:24:37He was supposedly ultimately killed, not in Iraq. He was in Iran, but Iran was also in the crosshairs of
00:24:45the Bush administration. It was part of the so-called axis of evil at the time. People were
00:24:49talking about invading Iran then. Why would the Bush administration hide the fact that-
00:24:55It wasn't the Bush administration.
00:24:57Oh.
00:24:57Let me explain to you. This is what Trump needs to understand.
00:25:01It started under Clinton when the Clinton administration, Bill and Hillary Clinton, who I have no respect for,
00:25:10were allowed themselves to be used so they could make money. Tens and tens of millions of dollars,
00:25:16hundreds of millions of dollars, because they allowed people, unscrupulous people,
00:25:21to control the agenda in Russia and around the world. And you've been going after some of this
00:25:27involving Russia. I can give you dozens of hard examples.
00:25:31I believe it. We've talked about this off camera, but I just want to get to specifically-
00:25:35Continued?
00:25:35Who was hiding the fact that bin Laden was in Iran and why?
00:25:40Okay. It continued under Bush Jr.
00:25:43Yep.
00:25:44And as I said, up until 2000, they wanted me to be chairman. All of a sudden, when I started questioning
00:25:509-11, all of a sudden, the Bush people said, whoa.
00:25:54Yeah, I bet.
00:25:55John Sununu, after I was out of office, who I had a lot of respect for, was Bush's chief.
00:26:00Yeah, smart man. Yeah, I know.
00:26:01I was in his office, and they said this to me. He said, you know, Congressman, you were a great member.
00:26:05Everyone respected you, but you made one fundamental mistake. I said, what was that, John?
00:26:10He said, when you come to the city, you're either on one rail or the other rail. And you went down the
00:26:15middle and took on both rails. I said, well, John, I didn't pledge allegiance to the Republican Party.
00:26:22Yeah.
00:26:22I pledged allegiance to the Constitution. You guys were ecstatic when I took on the Clintons,
00:26:26when I took on Sandy Berger, when I took on the scumbags and what they did with China and Russia.
00:26:31You were ecstatic. But then when I saw things happening at 9-11, all of us, he said, well,
00:26:35that's why you're not here. I said, you know what, John? So be it. It's not the end of my life.
00:26:41And one day I'll tell the story, John. One day I'll tell the story because
00:26:45that's what America needs to hear. They need members of Congress who don't become duped
00:26:50by scumbags in the intelligence agency making money for themselves. And you know what, Tucker?
00:26:55I challenge them. I'll name them and I'll give their dollar amounts of where they're making money
00:26:59today in the countries that we're at war with. They care about themselves and their power.
00:27:05They don't care about the lives of the kids that we send to war. I saw it in Libya. I saw it in North
00:27:11Korea. I led delegations that were bipartisan to all of those places.
00:27:15They took it out on my daughter.
00:27:17So I just want to get one more time to the question of why, who was hiding the fact that
00:27:23bin Laden was actually in Iran?
00:27:25Our intelligence agencies. They have plausible deniability. In the end, I have 10 silver bullets
00:27:31including two royal family members from two different royal families from two different
00:27:34countries. Including in the end, the person that was in the room who was a knock for our government
00:27:41for 50 years. He's not from the U.S. He's become a friend of mine. He's been to my home. We've met
00:27:48dozens of times. And on one of my trips to the Middle East, he said to me, you know, he calls you,
00:27:52my dear, you were right. I said, about what? He said, about a lot of things. But you're right
00:27:56about bin Laden. I said, what do you mean? He said, well, he was placed in Iran, in Balochistan.
00:28:02He said, I said, well, he said, I said, you know, he said, yes, I know that. He said, I was in the room
00:28:09when the deal was cut. So the U.S. has plausible deniability that they weren't in the room.
00:28:16Was the point to get to Iraq?
00:28:18The point was to, the point was to manipulate, to get our troops committed, to go over to fight
00:28:26the battles in Afghanistan, Iraq, and that whole region of the world. Yes. And they had to have
00:28:32the justification to do that. I believe it. But in the end, when five years ago, and even Trump
00:28:39doesn't know this, I'm sure, we killed someone that Trump took great credit for, and I applaud him
00:28:45for it. And he said, we killed this guy. Soleimani. That's right. Soleimani was the guy the deal was cut
00:28:49with. The deal was not cut with the Iranian government. And we need to understand that. And this is the heart
00:28:56of what we have to get to. The Iranian people are not our enemy. I wrote this book in 2005,
00:29:04Countdown to Tear. It's all about Iran. It says that the people of Iran are not our enemy.
00:29:10And this book was endorsed by Jim Woolsey with a three-page letter.
00:29:14Former CIA director.
00:29:14Former CIA director. This book was endorsed by Al Caravelli, Jack Caravelli, Gore's CIA advisor.
00:29:19They both endorsed my book. The book was so popular that the people of Iran published it in Farsi.
00:29:26There it is. And they published the book. Without my approval, they published my book. It became a
00:29:31bestseller in Iran. Because it said, you're not the enemy of the American people. Here's what
00:29:35happened, Tucker. When the Shah was in power, think back, we were best friends with Iran.
00:29:41Of course.
00:29:41Our intelligence people trained the Iranian intelligence people. We trained them.
00:29:46They're our people. When the radical Ayatollahs and the Mullahs took over Iran, they did not bring
00:29:52a new intelligence service. They did not change the agency. The IRG stayed the same. The deal
00:29:59who placed Bin Laden in Iran wasn't cut with the Iranian government. It was cut with Soleimani.
00:30:03And that's why we killed him. Our intelligence agency has tentacles around the world. And
00:30:11they're not answering to anybody. And that's the problem right now. That's the problem Trump
00:30:15has. Yeah, he can cut off the security clearance of 51. But that network extends far and wide
00:30:21around the world. And they can play all the games they want in Ukraine, in other countries.
00:30:26And until we go after that, this is not going to stop.
00:30:30That's consistent, all consistent with what I've seen.
00:30:32And that's not a crazy statement.
00:30:35That's the challenge that Trump has right now. I still think he's at risk. Last May,
00:30:39I went on a TV show locally in the Philadelphia area. And I said, my greatest challenge is they're
00:30:42going to try to take Trump out. A month later, they did the attack. You know, it goes back to
00:30:48when Trump first, when I kept quiet because I couldn't trust any of the administrations after
00:30:52I left, including the Bush administration, because Bush wasn't in control. And I can give you example
00:30:57after example of Bush not being in control. I knew who was in control. When Trump was going in,
00:31:02I met with Rudy Giuliani. I had two private dinners with him up in New York. I had not known
00:31:07Rudy that well. I said, Rudy, this is what's going to happen. The deep state's going to undermine
00:31:12Trump. They don't want him. They will undermine him by removing his ability to understand how they
00:31:16operate. Before he took office, they took out General Mike Flynn. When they took out Flynn,
00:31:22Trump was like a baby in the woods. And for four years, they used the Congress and they used their
00:31:29connections to derail this country. That's the problem that occurred in the first Trump four
00:31:34years. This time, I'm trying to get Trump to realize he's got a great start, but the people
00:31:40around him don't know what they don't know. They don't have that historical understanding of what
00:31:45this just didn't happen with Trump. I mean, they took me out in 2006.
00:31:49Nick, so let's get to that. They took you out in 2006. And that's kind of where this conversation
00:31:53began. I remember that very well. And it was like, there are pictures on TV. I worked on at CNN.
00:31:59There are pictures of, you know, FBI and their blue jackets outside your daughter's house. And
00:32:04it's like, Kurt Weldon, corruption scandal. And then you lost to Sestak. Is that Sestak,
00:32:10who was like a former general and just like a true...
00:32:13He got demoted. He was a three-star demoted to a two-star. His wife worked on the Clinton
00:32:17Security Council. She had intelligence ties. She still does. Her name was, I think, Clark.
00:32:23And so he was on the NSC.
00:32:25But he was like the ultimate deep stater.
00:32:27He didn't live in the district. He doesn't live there now.
00:32:30He came into the district to run. He had been in the district. And then after he lost,
00:32:33he went back down to Virginia.
00:32:34And all of a sudden, I mean, I remember all this really well, thinking like...
00:32:37Well, here's what happened.
00:32:38And then he got, you know, massive funding from around the country.
00:32:41You know who ran his campaign? His campaign was managed by the staff director of Sandy Berger's
00:32:47company. Sandy Berger sent his woman to run the Sestak campaign. And I did a one-hour floor
00:32:55speech about Sandy Berger calling him a traitor.
00:32:57Yeah.
00:32:58And we can talk about...
00:32:59I'd like to. I'm just getting far afield once again. My apologies for that. But okay,
00:33:04so to your daughter and the FBI raid, did you have warning? Tell us what happened.
00:33:08No advance warning. We, you know, we would have won the election. The polls were in October. We're
00:33:13showing that we were up by about six or eight points. All my elections have been landslides
00:33:17because I'm a moderate Republican. And this one, I would have become chairman of the committee. No
00:33:21doubts about that. You know, for some reason, the Sestak campaign was maxed out every week in a TV
00:33:28buy, you know, and three weeks before my election, I get a call on a Monday morning that agents had
00:33:35appeared at my daughter's home at 7 a.m. And I didn't know what's that all about. And so I
00:33:41immediately said, cancel the TV ads. My daughter's more important than some TV ads for a campaign.
00:33:47And I didn't know whether she might have done something wrong. I didn't think she would have.
00:33:51And so we stopped the campaign. But something that I haven't talked about in the past, Tucker,
00:33:55the same time they raided my daughter's house, they raided a lawyer in my district who's a Democrat,
00:34:00who, interestingly enough, they shut down his Philadelphia office. They brought dogs and
00:34:08helicopters and all to downtown Philly, same time. At the time they raided his office,
00:34:13he had been working for FBI counterintelligence against Russia for two years that I had arranged
00:34:17two years earlier. I had arranged two years earlier, under oath. So the counterintel people
00:34:23handling him went to his office and were sitting with him while these agents from D.C. come in.
00:34:28And you had two sets of agents in the same office at the same time. And the counterintel people are
00:34:35saying, don't answer any questions. We don't know what this is, but you're doing work for our
00:34:39country. And the other ones don't know why they're sent there. Their first question is, Mr. Gallagher,
00:34:44isn't it true that you're related to Congressman Kurt Weldon? And John starts laughing at them
00:34:48because Congressman Weldon's wife's last name is the same name as mine. And you're from the FBI.
00:34:54I know who told them that, Tucker. Wait, so what, but what was the pretext for raiding
00:34:59her daughter's house? There was none. They never talked to her. So what was she charged with?
00:35:04What did she go to? They never charged her with anything. They never talked to her. There was no
00:35:08charge. So the FBI just shows up. Shows up, raids, takes boxes out, and then gives her the boxes back
00:35:14unopened, still taped. Nothing. Nothing. When did they give the boxes back? That was months later.
00:35:19After you'd lost. Yeah. And not only that, three months after the election, the annual fire dinner
00:35:26in Washington, which I started, 2,000 people attend, members of Congress, House and Senate.
00:35:31George Bush, the father, former CIA director, does a tribute to me, which you can, I sent it to your
00:35:37staffer. You can play it. And he says in the tribute, Congressman Weldon, you're the kind of
00:35:43leader that America needs. You're the kind of leader that leaves the country safer, stronger. Those
00:35:48aren't my words. Those are George Bush Sr.'s words to 2,000 people after they raided my daughter's
00:35:57house. After you'd already been neutralized. After I've been neutralized. And you were not
00:35:59going to be chairman. It was all about getting me out. So did you, so the raid comes, you must
00:36:04be completely confused. Do you call your daughter and say like, what's going on? She was totally
00:36:08devastated. Ruined her life. How do you deal with that? I don't know. How do you deal with
00:36:13your kid? I'm probably going to find out if you want to, if you want to, if you want
00:36:16to come after me, you know, and that's what I say to them. They're scumbags. Oh, I know
00:36:20you scumbag. If you want to come after me, come after me publicly. But if you're going
00:36:25to hide and go do something behind somebody, what you do now, there are good people in the
00:36:29agency, but there are scumbags that work in our agencies and I know them and they're making
00:36:34money. They're million dollar people and their million dollar companies are going to be
00:36:39exposed. If it's the last thing I do. And you'll see the ties around the world to the
00:36:44million dollar Intel people who've made money off the backs of young American kids who have
00:36:48died in wards while they make money or their companies make money. And I'll give you example
00:36:54after example of that in Russia, in Ukraine, around the world, in Libya. That's what's wrong.
00:37:01And until we understand that, it's not going to stop. And Donald Trump's people need to understand
00:37:06that. We're not playing tiddlywinks out in the schoolyard. We're playing with bad people.
00:37:11I agree. I, I, yeah, as I've said, I've, I've, I've seen it up close. So I know that you're
00:37:16telling the truth. What they do to my family is outrageous. So, so this happens. And in the
00:37:22final month of a campaign, three weeks, three weeks with this challenger who doesn't live
00:37:27in your district, who all of a sudden has, I think I'm remembering this correctly. A lot of
00:37:32his money came from California. All of it. And then we find out, Tucker, I'll give it to
00:37:35you. We get a memo. My staff does some digging. What's going on? And we find a memo that was
00:37:39sent to my staff in September, a month before this from the national Republican congressional
00:37:46committee to my campaign committee saying, Hey, for some reason, your opponent just cut
00:37:51his TV by for one week in October by $500,000. The week was the week they raided my daughter's
00:37:58house because he wouldn't need it. So they told the Democrats the week they were going to
00:38:03raid my daughter's house. I believe it because I didn't need the advertising that
00:38:07week. But what's crazy if, if you think about it, and by the way, I should say of, of Sestak
00:38:12who I always thought was just such a reptile, but he had kind of like the perfect views.
00:38:17He was very liberal socially, but on foreign policy questions, he was just national security
00:38:23state. He's a loser. Perfect national security state. He's an embarrassment. And I'll say it
00:38:28publicly. He's an embarrassment. Oh, I couldn't. And what he did to my family, I'll never forget.
00:38:32So, but that's the Bush Justice Department. Absolutely. That's the Bush FBI.
00:38:38It's the, it's the, and I wrote a letter to Mueller, which I'll give you a copy. Mueller was FBI
00:38:41director. Yes. I wrote a personal memo to him on LinkedIn, right to his personal self. And I said,
00:38:45Mr. Mueller, I respect you personally for being a Marine, but you're a scumbag for what you did to
00:38:50my family. So did you call over to the White House and say like, what the hell is going on? I call
00:38:54Karl Rove. He said, get a good lawyer. I have no respect for Karl Rove. Well, no one does. And
00:38:59I'll tell you that story on another show. Wait, so, but your daughter's house gets raided. She
00:39:03doesn't get charged with anything. The FBI never even. Nothing. Nothing. Isn't talked to. Not
00:39:07charged. Doesn't even get talked to. No one. And CNN were, I'll admit it. I then worked. You know
00:39:12the only person that defended me? Who? You're going to laugh. No, probably not. Joe Scarborough. I
00:39:18believe that. He was on my committee. Joe Scarborough, I'll give you the article, defended
00:39:22me and said, Congressman Wall will never do anything like this. And this stupid jerk
00:39:26reporter said, oh, Scarborough, I don't know what he's talking about. Joe Scarborough was
00:39:30the only one at that time who really publicly, aggressively. I believe that. And I knew Joe
00:39:36very well, very well then. And he was on my committee. He's not a stupid person, by the
00:39:41way, whatever Joe's many faults. He's not dumb. And he gets how politics work. But he won't
00:39:45talk to me now. Of course not. Okay. So you call Karl Rove and you say like, what the hell,
00:39:51Karl Rove, what is going on here? And he just says, get a good lawyer. That was it? Yeah.
00:39:57He's the same scumbag that when I told him that I told this company in Florida that was
00:40:02being harassed to hire a lobbyist, I told him to hire Bob Dole. And he starts screaming
00:40:06at me on the phone. He said, who are you to tell anybody to hire Bob Dole's law firm?
00:40:10I said, Bob Dole's a war hero. He's a credible person. He said, don't you know who his partner
00:40:14is? I said, I have no idea who his partner is. Well, his partner was Ian Richards from Texas.
00:40:19What does that have to do with somebody doing national security issues? Because Karl Rove
00:40:23was from Texas and his nemesis in Texas was Bob Dole's partner. He didn't want them to
00:40:28benefit. That's what he's like. That's exactly what he's like. He's a small fat man. There's
00:40:33no doubt about that. Very small. Wow. Okay. So that's kind of, that's the end of your political
00:40:38career. Well, it's the end of my public career, but I have a lot of friends. I know. I got
00:40:43a lot of people that support. Now people want me to talk and I am talking because Trump's
00:40:47in power and the only thing they can do, they can kill me. Now, two of my friends were
00:40:51killed or I think they were killed. One was threatened by a guy that was running to be
00:40:55the head of the CIA. He got a call and this guy that was in Florida, John Quirk, was career
00:41:00intelligence for the CIA and he helped me. He gave me all the internal stuff of what they
00:41:03were doing to try to, they tried to portray me as a Russian spy of all this stupidity.
00:41:08Right. Well, been there.
00:41:10So, uh, right. So, uh, Quirk called me and said, you won't believe who I got a call from.
00:41:15He told me the guy's name. He said, the guy said to me, why are you helping Kurt Weldon?
00:41:19And John Quirk said, because Kurt Weldon's a patriot. The guy slammed down the phone. That
00:41:23guy's a multimillionaire in New York right now. Multimillionaire!
00:41:27Made his money off the backs of the American people.
00:41:29What happened to your friend? You think he was murdered?
00:41:32I think he was given a, uh, they both had fast-moving cancer. And that's a typical, uh, process that
00:41:39the agency uses overseas when they want to get rid of somebody.
00:41:42I'm aware of that. Most people are not aware of that. Um, but do you, do you know that to
00:41:46be true that that is a...
00:41:47I don't, I don't, I can't prove it.
00:41:48No, but do you know that...
00:41:49I know they both died suddenly.
00:41:51The, the U.S. government has the technology to...
00:41:55Oh, absolutely.
00:41:56...infect people with fast-moving cancer.
00:41:58Absolutely.
00:41:58As they do with the, you know, in 1997, I did the first hearing on asymmetric threats.
00:42:04I was the chairman of the research committee, and I focused on four threats.
00:42:08And you can read about them. The first threat was the use of drones, which nobody was using
00:42:12then. The second was cyber attacks, which is now a big deal. The third was EMP. People
00:42:16don't even know what EMP is. I was the leader of that. I wrote the EMP legislation. And the
00:42:20fourth was cognitive warfare. People don't understand cognitive warfare. And today, our intelligence
00:42:24agency is trying to pretend they don't know what it is. Like, oh, we don't know what
00:42:27that is. Because the Russians have used it, and the Chinese, they call it Havana syndrome.
00:42:32Right.
00:42:32We know what it is.
00:42:33The directed energy weapons.
00:42:33It's directed energy weapons.
00:42:35But you believe that... And the only reason I'm pushing on this is because I know for
00:42:40a fact that highly informed people in other countries with, you know, real intel services
00:42:46who are not crazy or sophisticated, take it as a matter of fact that it is possible to
00:42:51transmit fatal cancer from one person to another or from a machine to a person. And you know
00:42:58that that's true?
00:42:59I don't know that. The details... I know the research that was being done when I was chairman
00:43:03of the Oversight Committee for Research was very provocative. And we need members of Congress
00:43:07that are unafraid to get fully immersed in understanding what we're doing and why we're doing it.
00:43:13The problem with the members of Congress is that there are good members in both parties,
00:43:17but they get staffers who have career goals. And their career goal might be to go work at
00:43:22the Pentagon or go work for the agency.
00:43:24So they get compromised midway through. You can't have that. You've got to have people
00:43:28to understand their loyalty has got to be for the country and for what their original goal...
00:43:32And that's why it's so important that we... And the ultimate goal here is to have this
00:43:36presidential commission on 9-11 to hold people accountable and to let the president
00:43:41appoint a commission that asks the questions of what really happened, both intelligence-wise
00:43:46and with the actual structure so that we understand. And then we make those people
00:43:50accountable. Believe me, when we do that, then you shake the system up.
00:43:53I agree with that. And I think it's really important to begin declassifying a lot of things
00:43:59that the U.S. government has done with our money and our name over the past 60 years.
00:44:03You know, starting with the Kennedy assassination, which the president, you know,
00:44:06was issued an executive order on January 23rd to declassify. It hasn't happened.
00:44:11MLK, RFK, et cetera, et cetera. I think we should know what happened in Butler Township in July.
00:44:18But I think the big story is 9-11 and every...
00:44:21The reason is all those happened decades ago. And I agree with you. 9-11 is only 24 years ago.
00:44:26And I have all the information. I have the firefighters ready to go.
00:44:30I have the tapes of the firefighters and what they saw and heard.
00:44:32I have all the architects and engineers and all their 3,000 of them risking their careers.
00:44:38I have the lawyers. I have the families. Everybody's ready to go. All Trump has to do
00:44:43is name a new presidential commission. Let them do the investigation. We'll give them all the material.
00:44:49And then we'll show the country that we cannot... We will not allow these people to commit these
00:44:55kinds of... They're not even unscrupulous. They're outrageous and scandalous and traitorous acts
00:45:00against our nation. Imagine playing to kill American people. I can't begin to think of that.
00:45:05Okay, so... But you've also just said that two friends of yours died of fast-moving cancer.
00:45:09I don't know that.
00:45:11Well, they died of cancer, it sounds like.
00:45:12Right. But you think that the people who are hiding the truth about 9-11 are capable of murder?
00:45:18Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:45:19Well, I guess that would be obvious since 3,000 people were murdered that day.
00:45:23Just like Libya. We were the ones that caused Gaddafi's death because
00:45:26Hillary Clinton played a game over there. And I was the one that went over there during the war.
00:45:31Gaddafi asked me to come over. I took a Biden staffer and a Bush staffer and a film crew leader
00:45:37from ABC1 in New York, Larry Mente with me, and a cameraman because I didn't want the CIA to set me up.
00:45:42I hand-carried the letter back from Gaddafi offering to resign. The U.S. didn't want him to resign.
00:45:47They wanted to kill him.
00:45:48Why?
00:45:49Because Gaddafi, and I met him three times. I took Biden on my second trip to Libya, by the way.
00:45:53He went with me when I spoke to the whole country. At every meeting I had with Gaddafi, he wanted two things.
00:45:58He wanted to unite the African continent into a group of nations economically, like the European economy.
00:46:04He wanted to base it on the gold standard. And the U.S. and Europe didn't want that.
00:46:09And the other thing is they wanted control of his oil, and they wanted control of his sovereign wealth.
00:46:13So Gaddafi had to go. That's outrageous, and it's wrong.
00:46:16Yeah, but that, I think, sounds right to me.
00:46:18But we've allowed so many of our kids to be drawn into conflicts, to be killed, and these people doing this, they've never served in any capacity in our country.
00:46:28They've never been in the military. They've never served on a fire ground.
00:46:31And it's outrageous that they think they can get away with this and sit back and make all this money.
00:46:36It's outrageous.
00:46:37I couldn't agree more.
00:46:37Sure. So, what, let's get to 9-11 itself, and you were so deeply involved in so many parts of this, personally, that it's, I think it's easy to go off on different tangents.
00:46:50But just to the extent that you can describe what you know to be true, you said, don't want to speculate as to motive, for example, but what you know to be true,
00:46:57what do you think the core truth of 9-11, September 11th, 2001, is?
00:47:03I don't, at this point in time, I have my own perceptions.
00:47:10I don't have something I can give 100%.
00:47:12I can't swear on, but what I'm seeing bothers me to the core of my body, that 9-11 did not happen because a group of hijackers got control of some planes.
00:47:25First of all, I have confirmed that two of the hijackers that were on one of the planes in New York were working for the CIA.
00:47:32They were on the CIA payroll.
00:47:33And that was confirmed to me by someone in writing from one of our agencies, and I have that letter.
00:47:38So, two of the people involved were actually working for the CIA in one of the planes.
00:47:43I know that.
00:47:44And they lost control of them, and there were reprimands against those agency people after the fact.
00:47:49Second, I know the intelligence.
00:47:51They tried three times to transfer the information about information that could have prevented 9-11.
00:47:57That's fact.
00:47:57To the Justice Department.
00:47:59And I have the name of the person that, at the Justice Department, they contacted, and she was told to cancel the meetings.
00:48:06They couldn't have the meetings.
00:48:07Who did that order come from?
00:48:08Who?
00:48:09That's what needs to be investigated.
00:48:11Okay.
00:48:11And then we have John Crane, the inspector general of the Pentagon, who went to the extent of issuing a request for whistleblower status because he was told to lie to the Congress and lie about pre-9-11 intelligence and able danger.
00:48:26And then we have the book by the general and his comments that he knew within seconds.
00:48:31None of this is in the 9-11 commission report.
00:48:33The 9-11 commission report is a piece of garbage.
00:48:35Well, then you also have it.
00:48:37I mean, this is just a fact.
00:48:38I don't know what to make of it.
00:48:40But you have a guy called Alex Jones, who's a broadcaster, who said that summer that the World Trade Centers are going to hit by planes and a guy called Osama bin Laden is going to be blamed.
00:48:51He said that on tape with a timestamp.
00:48:52So we know that that actually happened.
00:48:53That's not making it up.
00:48:54It's not a conspiracy theory.
00:48:55He said that.
00:48:57And it's like, how would he know that?
00:48:58That's so far out of the realm of what anyone was thinking in Washington, where I lived at the time.
00:49:03So then my question is, OK, if I'm Philip Zelikow, the guy running the 9-11 commission, I'm calling Alex Jones immediately, saying, come on in, under oath, and we're going to find out how did you know that?
00:49:15And instead, the U.S. government, the FBI in particular, set about to destroy Alex Jones and almost succeeded.
00:49:22I mean, they engineered a billion-dollar judgment against him, et cetera, et cetera.
00:49:26But they really have tried to kill him for saying that.
00:49:30And it's like, if you wanted to get to the truth, why would you act that way?
00:49:32Why would you knock you out of Congress?
00:49:34At the time of 9-11, I had been to the World Trade Center in 93.
00:49:39The governor of New York, Mario Cuomo, called my office, talked to me personally, thanked me for coming up.
00:49:43He watched my one-hour presentation.
00:49:46I was back up there with Ray Downey.
00:49:48I brought Ray Downey's widow and five kids down to my district after 9-11 to honor him as a hero.
00:49:52I was up during the 9-11 incident at Ground Zero, and I did everything I could to, and I felt responsible.
00:50:03Do you know the 9-11 Commission would not let me testify before the commission?
00:50:06Now, I'm a firefighter.
00:50:07I'm a fire chief.
00:50:09I'm a state fire instructor.
00:50:10After I spent my whole career helping protect people from disasters, the 9-11 Commission, even though my experience as a member of Congress, Vice Chairman of Defense and Homeland Security, would not call me to testify, would not call me to go in and speak before the 9-11, because they knew what I would say.
00:50:28So when the commission said it's going to issue its report, which was in—
00:50:31Pardon me to interrupt.
00:50:32What year was that?
00:50:33It was when the report was released.
00:50:34I think it was 2005.
00:50:36So what I did, the report was being released in the Ways and Means room of the Cannon Building.
00:50:41I went over.
00:50:41I sat in the front row to be the first one.
00:50:43Lee Hamilton and Tom Kane were up there.
00:50:45Good people.
00:50:46I don't blame them.
00:50:47It wasn't them.
00:50:48It was the staffers that controlled this.
00:50:50It wasn't the commissioners.
00:50:51This is the Zelikow guy.
00:50:51That's right.
00:50:52Zelikow and Gorelick.
00:50:53And Dieter Snell.
00:50:54Dieter Snell was a staffer working for them.
00:50:56Jamie Gorelick, who was a Clinton DOJ.
00:51:00Clinton Pointy, who wrote the firewall memo that said you can't transfer military intelligence to civilian law enforcement.
00:51:04I think Bill Kristol's cousin, too, unless I'm misremembering that.
00:51:07I don't know. Maybe that's the case.
00:51:08So I sat in the front row and I said, Lee, why did you not allow me to testify?
00:51:12And he said to me, well, Congressman, you know, we had a lot of people that wanted to testify.
00:51:16Now, I'm the representative of all the firefighters in the country.
00:51:18I'm the point person for the firefighters.
00:51:20I'm a firefighter and a fire chief.
00:51:22I'd been at the Trade Center in 93.
00:51:23I had been there in 9-11 and they would not let me testify because they didn't want to hear what I had to say.
00:51:28What would you have said?
00:51:29I would have said that we caused this.
00:51:32What do you mean?
00:51:32With the intelligence, I have the evidence that we could have stopped this.
00:51:37Not me.
00:51:37Louis Free said that.
00:51:39Based upon what I came out with, Louis Free's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, which I can give you a copy of, said the 9-11 commission was an incomplete investigation.
00:51:48And he also went on Good Morning America and said the same thing.
00:51:50They tried to blame Louis Free because Louis Free had left the FBI the year before 9-11 happened.
00:51:56So he was their scapegoat.
00:51:58And to this day, I think Louis is very upset over that.
00:52:00Yeah.
00:52:02Yeah, I believe that.
00:52:04So the only way around this is to have a new, for the firefighters of America and for our country, to have an independent commission be appointed and give that commission full authority to take this wherever it goes, including the end result.
00:52:17And the end result may be very ugly.
00:52:18I, I, there's this, a sense in which that's pretty obvious.
00:52:22I mean, like, why, why is anything from 9-11 still classified?
00:52:26It's our country.
00:52:27It happened to 3,000 of our fellow Americans.
00:52:29We have an absolute right to know what happened.
00:52:31It's not even a question.
00:52:32And it was almost 25 years ago.
00:52:34So, like, spare me your lectures about national security.
00:52:36But can I ask you this?
00:52:38So, by the way, I never questioned anything about 9-11.
00:52:41And I actively attacked people who did.
00:52:44I'm ashamed of that.
00:52:45But that's a fact.
00:52:46I did it on tape more than once.
00:52:48Because my feeling was, well, you know, like, that's divisive or whatever.
00:52:52I was a child and an idiot.
00:52:53But what began to make me wonder, and I have no idea what happened to 9-11, but it's very clear that there's a lot of lying around it, was the collapse of Building 7.
00:53:05And all the wackos would be like, Building 7, Building 7.
00:53:08I'd be like, shut up, wackos.
00:53:09And then if you just sort of look at it, you're like, well, that is very weird, actually.
00:53:12No plane hit that building.
00:53:13And does this happen a lot when buildings catch fire?
00:53:16Right.
00:53:16Okay.
00:53:17Besides being a firefighter, I work for the INA, largest insurance company in North America.
00:53:21I was responsible for training their fire protection and arson people for 18 years.
00:53:25That doesn't happen.
00:53:26You never have a 47-story building just collapse, which this is.
00:53:30Even Donald Trump, I have a tape of him speaking on 9-11.
00:53:34And Donald Trump, which I'll give you a copy of.
00:53:35I've seen it.
00:53:36And his own word says, that's controlled demolition.
00:53:38Yeah.
00:53:39I mean, it certainly looks that way.
00:53:40I mean, look, I don't know.
00:53:41See, here's what they did.
00:53:42They brought in NIST.
00:53:44They brought in NIST to do a report.
00:53:45Can you tell us what NIST is?
00:53:46NIST is the National Institute for Standards and Technology to do an assessment.
00:53:51Now, they're like any other federal agency, and there are good people there, but there are people that want their jobs and want their careers, and they're not going to rock the boat.
00:53:58And they came out with a report that's hogwash.
00:54:00The University of Alaska, which is a very credible engineering department, did a full refutation of the NIST report.
00:54:08Saying it's full with gaps and full with inaccuracies and areas where they did not get the right information.
00:54:14Let me just say this to you.
00:54:16People say, well, you can't question NIST.
00:54:18NIST always does the right thing.
00:54:20When I went to Congress, Tucker, in my first term, I'm two doors from the Speaker's office, Speaker Jim Wright.
00:54:26His office catches on fire.
00:54:28It's 7 o'clock at night.
00:54:29As a firefighter, I go up, punch the door open, get down on my hands and knees, crawl in.
00:54:34The kitchen's fully involved.
00:54:35This is all documented.
00:54:36You can read about it.
00:54:37And I said to my staffer, go get me the portable extinguishers.
00:54:41Three of the five weren't charged.
00:54:42I said, go get me the hose in the hose station.
00:54:44There was no hose in the hose station.
00:54:45I come back out, and I say, we've got to evacuate the building.
00:54:48Now, I'm in my first term.
00:54:50It's a seven-story building above ground.
00:54:52No sprinklers, no detectors, no alarms.
00:54:56Here is the building, one of the six office buildings holding the House and the Senate in violation of every building code and fire code in America.
00:55:07Now, I'm an expert on NFPA 101, the life safety code, and the Boca codes.
00:55:12This building, if NIST did its job, NIST would have said, if you're going to be in Congress,
00:55:16you're going to work in a building where your constituents who are blind and handicapped are not going to feel threatened.
00:55:21Seven stories above ground.
00:55:24No alarm system.
00:55:25No detection system.
00:55:27So a fire's occurring, and the police are running through the building yelling, fire, get out.
00:55:32That's the problem.
00:55:32You cannot trust the federal agencies.
00:55:35Obviously.
00:55:35Of course.
00:55:37That's obvious now.
00:55:38But tell us, like, from an engineering perspective, like, what –
00:55:44you had three buildings come down, sort of collapse in on themselves, implode, it looked like.
00:55:50And a lot of people have said – many credible, non-crazy people have said that was controlled demolition.
00:55:59Was it?
00:56:00Well, when I got up there the day after, I had been in the trade center at the restaurant on the top several times.
00:56:07There's no way those two buildings could have collapsed into what they were there.
00:56:12Something had to happen.
00:56:13Was that obvious to you immediately?
00:56:14Yeah, absolutely.
00:56:15Because, you know, and they were looking for other firefighters like Ray Downey and the 342 others that were trapped and eventually vaporized.
00:56:22So something happened.
00:56:24Whether there was – there's a high explosive material, I think it's called fermite, that is used to explode metal and steel and vaporize it.
00:56:33That tests were never done on that.
00:56:35There were some limited tests that found that there was some evidence of that.
00:56:38But that – the whole thing never was subjected to the kind of investigation that would be warranted when 3,000 people die.
00:56:46I mean, when you have 3,000 people die, you would think it would be a full massive investigation, not going after 9-11, obviously.
00:56:53But what happened to the buildings?
00:56:55And why did they come down?
00:56:56They're the only high-rise buildings in the world that have ever come down from an airplane hitting them.
00:57:02And those buildings, I read the report from the architect who designed them.
00:57:05They were designed to withstand an airplane hitting the building and standing tall.
00:57:10And especially Building 7, which had no plane hit it.
00:57:13Right.
00:57:13No plane hit it.
00:57:15And the building just – you can see it.
00:57:17When you watch it on TV, it just implodes straight down.
00:57:19And what really got me again was Oriel Palmer, the battalion chief arising on the –
00:57:26Well, tell us who he was.
00:57:27What is –
00:57:28Oriel Palmer was one of the most inspirational battalion chiefs in New York.
00:57:33And FDNY.
00:57:33FDNY, who immediately, in very good shape, had a family, a couple of kids, went into the building as soon as they got on the scene, took the elevator up to the 40th floor.
00:57:43Got off the elevator, and you can hear him on the comm system say,
00:57:45I'm here, 40th floor, we're going to start walking up the stairwells.
00:57:49Every five floors, he radios back to communication.
00:57:53I'm on the 50th floor.
00:57:54Everything's okay.
00:57:55We're on floor 60.
00:57:56Everything's okay.
00:57:57He's going up every – so many floors, he gives a report.
00:58:01He reaches the 78th floor, the floor of impact.
00:58:04He comes out of the stair tower.
00:58:05And as clear as you listening to me here – and I know I get passionate, and I apologize to your listeners for that.
00:58:12He says, we're on floor 78, the floor of impact.
00:58:16We've got two fires, and we can handle them.
00:58:20One minute later, the whole building collapses.
00:58:23That's not normal.
00:58:25That is not acceptable.
00:58:27That is not what happened.
00:58:29And this is on tape?
00:58:30It's on tape.
00:58:31The film is called Bravo 7.
00:58:35And if your viewers want it, if they contact you, I'll give it to you.
00:58:38It's free.
00:58:38It was produced not by Hollywood.
00:58:39It was produced by firefighters, and it includes the footage, including the firefighter – the footage of the firefighter communication between him and the command center.
00:58:50You can hear him as plain as day, saying, I'm on the impact floor, floor 78.
00:58:55We have two fires here.
00:58:56We can control them.
00:58:57And he's comfortable.
00:58:59He's not worrying about the building collapsing.
00:59:01He just walked up 38 floors, and the whole building collapses.
00:59:06Tucker, it's a big lie.
00:59:08Can I – like what – okay, two things.
00:59:12What percentage of firefighters who were there that day are knowledgeable about building fires agree with you on this?
00:59:19Well, the – I have the utmost respect for the Fire Department of New York.
00:59:23When I wrote the manuscript, Able Danger, which I didn't publish because my lawyer said they would kill me back in 2006, I never published it.
00:59:31I'm going to publish it this year.
00:59:32Last summer in July, I took a copy up, a draft copy of the manuscript, and I met for two hours with John Esposito.
00:59:39He's the chief.
00:59:40He's a great man.
00:59:41I have total respect for him.
00:59:43And John knows me.
00:59:45And I said, John, you know my respect for the department.
00:59:47And I said, yes, Congressman, we know that.
00:59:49I said, I want to give you this copy of my manuscript, and I'm signing it in honor of Ray Downey for you to keep in your archives.
00:59:55This is what really happened.
00:59:57He took it.
00:59:58And I felt I owed it to the Fire Department of New York and their members.
01:00:02There has been this subtle pressure to the firefighters and to the officers not to talk for obvious reasons.
01:00:09You know what this involves politically.
01:00:12And look what happened to the chief of L.A.
01:00:14The female chief of L.A. comes out and says that the resources were taken away from her for the field forest fires.
01:00:20And what does the mayor do?
01:00:21She fires her.
01:00:23That was just a few weeks ago.
01:00:25The firefighters are always a scapegoat.
01:00:27That's why, Tucker, I'm done with this.
01:00:29If it's the last thing I do, firefighters are not going to be taken for granted anymore.
01:00:33We're going to rise up.
01:00:33We're going to shake the country to its roots.
01:00:36Firefighters are not second-class citizens.
01:00:38Well, they certainly shouldn't be.
01:00:39But if they talk, they'll get sidelined.
01:00:42They'll be called crazies.
01:00:43Even though they heard explosions, they can't be allowed to say that.
01:00:48They heard explosions?
01:00:49Yeah, absolutely.
01:00:49It's on tape.
01:00:51We have people coming out of the buildings that heard explosions.
01:00:54We have film footage of people that talked to Fox News that was taken off the air and then now it was brought back by X.
01:01:02That's all available.
01:01:03That's why you need a commission to go back and look at all the lines.
01:01:06So there are, and pardon my ignorance, but there are people on tape saying I heard explosions.
01:01:12Yes, absolutely.
01:01:13100%.
01:01:14Multiple people.
01:01:15So the counter to this, which is also kind of rooted in common sense as well, that would require a lot of people to be involved in a vast conspiracy and to stay silent for 24 years.
01:01:25And that's just impossible because people talk.
01:01:27Not a lot of people.
01:01:29Not a lot of people.
01:01:30It would involve a very, very precise action of planning and, you know, taking steps to control the situation.
01:01:38And, again, I have no firsthand evidence of this.
01:01:44That's why this is the most important thing.
01:01:47If there's one thing that you have the ability to do because you're very well respected and deservedly so, you coming out and showing that report, that request, put out by the firefighters of America and by the people who are, excuse me for doing that.
01:02:03No problem.
01:02:04The people who are the most impacted by this.
01:02:07Yes.
01:02:07I've helped them now.
01:02:09I'm not, there's no money in this for me.
01:02:11Everything I'm doing is pro bono.
01:02:12Pro bono.
01:02:13A new presidential commission.
01:02:15There was no presidential commission before.
01:02:17This would be the first presidential commission.
01:02:19Wait, can I ask them, like, if we find out, I mean, one of the reasons I became so upset was actually an Alex Jones guy years ago.
01:02:28So, at some campaign event, I was covering, you know, 9-11, Building 7.
01:02:33And I was like, shut up, asshole.
01:02:34You know, I don't, no one wants to hear that.
01:02:36And I was being a child and ignorant, as I have admitted many times.
01:02:39And I was wrong.
01:02:41Because you should always be for the truth, no matter what.
01:02:43But, on the other hand, I think my instinct was informed by the feeling that, wow, if we find out that U.S. government officials or foreign officials or anybody is hiding the truth about an event that murdered 3,000 totally innocent people, like, that's, how could your country continue if you found out?
01:03:04It would be almost as bad as if there were people in our country who planned to allow bin Laden to stay in Iran while we sent kids to Afghanistan and 2,500 came back in body bags.
01:03:15It would be almost as bad.
01:03:16No, you're right.
01:03:17No, you're right.
01:03:18Tucker, the American people don't understand.
01:03:22I was in decisions as vice chairman of the committee where I heard conversations talk about acceptable casualties.
01:03:29There are no acceptable casualties.
01:03:30If I have a son or a daughter, and I'm the youngest of nine, my brothers and sisters served in every branch of the military, none of them would be acceptable casualties.
01:03:40And if we had people that made the decision that we can afford to get people over in Afghanistan knowing that several thousand are going to come back dead, we've got to find an alternative to that.
01:03:52And if we didn't do it there, then we shouldn't do it in the U.S.
01:03:56Do I think 9-11 is going to be the biggest scandal in our lifetime and beyond?
01:04:03Yes.
01:04:04I think it's going to be the biggest scandal in the history of America because it occurred on U.S. soil and because it is so recent that we have relevant information still available.
01:04:15That's right.
01:04:15We have recorded information.
01:04:16We have personal information once people realize they can talk and not be afraid of being killed or not being afraid of being ostracized.
01:04:27And you know what gets me is reporters who call people conspiracy theorists.
01:04:32Well, that's all the agency does.
01:04:34They're the ones that create the conspiracies.
01:04:36I'm aware.
01:04:37I mean, cut me a break.
01:04:38I'm aware.
01:04:38They have whole courses for their agents on how to make people look like they're conspiracy theorists.
01:04:42And the propaganda operations designed to discredit.
01:04:45Exactly.
01:04:46So all we want is the truth.
01:04:48Of course.
01:04:48So Trump, appoint people of impeccable integrity.
01:04:52Let them study the facts.
01:04:53I will testify under oath everything I know about intelligence.
01:04:57Let these 3,000 architects who are risking their careers, making nothing, let them testify under oath.
01:05:03So let me ask you a very dark question.
01:05:05I don't even know if I want the answer, but Flight 93, which crashed in your state in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, became a kind of – and you feel obviously so crushed for the people.
01:05:16Todd Beamer and the rest on that flight.
01:05:18And they sound like they acted bravely and all that.
01:05:20But, you know, Dick Cheney, President Bush was hiding off at Air Force Base, refused to come back to D.C. because of cowardice.
01:05:27And so Cheney was kind of running everything on that day, on September 11th.
01:05:31And he said it's been reported.
01:05:33You know, he gave the orders to shoot down that plane.
01:05:35But then they told us, no, it wasn't shut down.
01:05:38The hijackers were under assault by the passengers, and so they drove it into the ground.
01:05:42Do you think that plane was shut down by the U.S. government?
01:05:44I don't have any evidence of that, but I've seen other speculation that that plane may have been heading for the Chicago Tower.
01:05:51And if it wasn't for the people on the plane that diverted it and turned it around, that's where it was heading.
01:05:55For sure.
01:05:56Well, clearly, it was – that plane was going to be used to kill Americans, no doubt.
01:05:59And I lost a constituent that was a pilot on one of the planes, Michael Horrocks, who went to Westchester, the same school I went to.
01:06:06And I immediately contacted his widow and raised the funds to build a playground in his honor at the elementary school for his kids.
01:06:13So I felt it personally.
01:06:15The story is a story that America has to come to grips with this because if there's any one story that's going to determine whether or not we are a country of what we all claim to be,
01:06:27then as painful as it is, we have to learn the lessons from that.
01:06:33If we don't and we allow these people that were involved in these cover-ups – and in my case, the people I'm talking about are covering up without any hesitation the intelligence side of it.
01:06:44If we don't do that, then this is just inviting this to happen again and again.
01:06:49And it's going to continue.
01:06:50You can't have that in a country like ours.
01:06:53We're supposed to be the symbol around the world.
01:06:55And we get laughed at by people.
01:06:57The people in Libya know what we did and why we did Gaddafi.
01:07:00North Korea, we had a solution for North Korea that Colin Powell endorsed that I worked on with a bipartisan delegation that the White House under Bush didn't want.
01:07:09And look at now.
01:07:09North Korea is threatening an attack.
01:07:11All of these things we create.
01:07:13And if the American people don't have access to know the truth, then we're not really what we say we are.
01:07:18Who are the darkest actors in the Bush administration, do you think?
01:07:21I can't name any one.
01:07:23I mean, Sandy Berger, in my opinion, should have been tried for treason before he died.
01:07:26So Sandy Berger was – I agree.
01:07:28Well, he committed treason, so he should have been.
01:07:30He's passed now.
01:07:32I knew him.
01:07:33He was a national security advisor for Bill Clinton.
01:07:35So tell us – you've made reference to him.
01:07:38For those who don't remember or are getting their history from Wikipedia, who is Sandy Berger and why do you think he committed treason?
01:07:46And Wikipedia, by the way, has no credibility.
01:07:48I'm very aware of that.
01:07:49They're basically – it's a controlled process to manipulate –
01:07:53And you don't really know that until –
01:07:55I know it.
01:07:56Just because, you know, you get older and, like, there are some things on Wikipedia.
01:08:00It's like, wait, I was there.
01:08:01I know that that's not true.
01:08:03Well, two things about Sandy Berger.
01:08:04You know what I mean?
01:08:05Sandy Berger was when this all started.
01:08:06He was security advisor for Clinton in the 90s.
01:08:09And as a member of the Cox Commission, which was a formal commission established by the Congress, made up of nine members.
01:08:16Headed by Congressman Chris Cox of California.
01:08:18That's right.
01:08:18Five Republicans, four Democrats, all committee chairs except me.
01:08:21I was appointed by Newt.
01:08:23And we spent six months behind closed doors looking at all the data about why China stole our technology.
01:08:29And what we ended up with was a 9-0 vote.
01:08:32Our security was severely harmed by China's acquisition of technology.
01:08:36And Chris Cox won a 9-0 vote.
01:08:39But I went beyond that.
01:08:41And working with the people that I had befriended that were doing the able-danger stuff, I said, why did this happen?
01:08:47And they produced charts for me, which I have given to you, to show the process that China established.
01:08:54And China did what we do.
01:08:55We try to spy on other countries.
01:08:57That's part of the game.
01:08:57And it's legitimate.
01:08:58But if you get caught by that, that's your fault.
01:09:01China set up a process using money through the Central Military Commission, the People's Liberation Army, to set up front companies.
01:09:09To deliberately acquire selected technology in the U.S. by using campaign donations, primarily to the Clinton campaign in the mid-90s.
01:09:17The charts show that.
01:09:18You have those charts.
01:09:19Those donations resulted in waivers of arms control agreements.
01:09:23Those donations involved in waivers of controls over technology.
01:09:28And all the technologies are listed.
01:09:30Those charts show that four Chinese nationals who had no citizenship rights here gained access to the White House, in some cases 49 times in one year.
01:09:39They were raising money for the Democratic National Party and Clinton.
01:09:43All of that was orchestrated by Sandy Berger, politically.
01:09:47In the end, what happened was we basically empowered China to acquire our technology by allowing them to use campaign donations.
01:09:57And the best example I can give you of this is there was a very specific inquiry done by the Justice Department of the L'Oreal Corporation in California.
01:10:05L'Oreal Corporation, very capable space company and technology company, had been caught transferring stage separation technology to China.
01:10:16Stage separation technology allows you to have a multi-stage missile to go long distances.
01:10:21Yes, which is required for intercontinental.
01:10:24And China didn't have that.
01:10:26They didn't have that capability.
01:10:27So they got it.
01:10:28So L'Oreal Corporation was caught transferring that.
01:10:31That's a violation.
01:10:32So the Justice Department, this is public information, was about ready to indict the CEO, Bernie Schwartz.
01:10:39Bernie Schwartz went to Sandy Berger and received, this is public information, a retroactive presidential waiver.
01:10:48Retroactive presidential waiver.
01:10:50The technology had already been transferred.
01:10:52Now they get the waiver that it's okay.
01:10:55And that year, Bernie Schwartz becomes one of the single biggest donors in the history of the Democrat Party.
01:11:01I put all the donations in the congressional record.
01:11:04So anyone can go back in the congressional record to that time period and look for my speech.
01:11:09And you'll see the donations of Sandy Berger to the Democrat National Party and Al Gore and Bill Clinton while we were giving our technology.
01:11:18So China didn't steal it.
01:11:20They outsmarted us.
01:11:22That's our fault, not their fault.
01:11:23Right.
01:11:23They bribed our officials.
01:11:24They bribed it.
01:11:25So that's the first thing with Sandy Berger.
01:11:27Then Sandy Berger was involved in the run-up to 9-11.
01:11:31And he was still Clinton's security advisor.
01:11:35He was told he had to appear before the 9-11 commission.
01:11:38So two weeks before he was to appear, he gets permission to go to the National Archives in Washington.
01:11:45And he goes up to the top floor in a special room.
01:11:48It's a big empty room.
01:11:50And he didn't realize he was on camera.
01:11:52They bring out documents that he has to see before his testimony.
01:11:55He said it was to refresh his memory.
01:11:57He ends up stealing those documents.
01:11:58In a case that many remember and laugh about, he stuffed the documents in his underwear and his socks and his shirt pocket.
01:12:05You've seen the story.
01:12:06Of course.
01:12:06It's all true.
01:12:07He leaves the archives with those national security archives, all pre-9-11 intelligence.
01:12:14And by the way, none of this is in a 9-11 commission report.
01:12:17None of it.
01:12:17That's not mentioned.
01:12:18No.
01:12:19He leaves the archives.
01:12:20Do we know what those documents were?
01:12:22Well, I'll tell you what happened.
01:12:24He gets caught.
01:12:25The inspector general for the archives contacts Berger and said,
01:12:28Mr. Berger, did you take anything while you were in the archives?
01:12:31And he says, no.
01:12:32That's a felony.
01:12:32He lied to a federal agent.
01:12:34He then hires one of Clinton's personal lawyers.
01:12:38That lawyer cuts a plea bargain.
01:12:40Sandy Berger pleads guilty to 11 felonies.
01:12:44Lying to a federal agent.
01:12:46Stealing five documents.
01:12:48And destroying five documents.
01:12:50The plea bargain he gets is one misdemeanor.
01:12:54No jail time.
01:12:55He loses security clearance for one year.
01:12:58In the August before my election loss, I told my staff,
01:13:03I want to go to the archives to see copies of what we think Berger stole.
01:13:07The CIA called my office and said, tell your boss that it's very sensitive information.
01:13:11Like, what do you have to tell me?
01:13:12What my job is?
01:13:14I know what my job is.
01:13:15I don't need to be reminded by somebody from some agency.
01:13:17So I went there.
01:13:19The documents were all regarding pre-9-11 intelligence.
01:13:23The Millennium After Action report, which was prepared by John Ashcroft, was part of the documents that they didn't want the 9-11 commission to have.
01:13:31Sandy Berger stole those documents.
01:13:32If you stole documents that are in the National Archives, you'd be in jail right now.
01:13:37Sandy Berger got away with it.
01:13:39One felony.
01:13:40He leaves the administration of Clinton and he forms a company.
01:13:44Guess what the company's called?
01:13:46Stonebridge.
01:13:47I think he hires Madeleine Albright.
01:13:49Stonebridge Albright.
01:13:50And what do they do?
01:13:51They represent Chinese corporations.
01:13:55Disgusting people.
01:13:56Both now gone.
01:13:57Both now gone.
01:13:59Do we know what was in those five documents?
01:14:00Well, I went down there.
01:14:02I looked at what we think he stole.
01:14:03It was all pre-9-11 intelligence.
01:14:06Suggesting that they should have known?
01:14:09Yeah.
01:14:09Well, we know that Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden in the base camps many times.
01:14:13I mean, all of this.
01:14:14And there's much more intrigue that I don't know about.
01:14:18That's why it needs a thorough investigation, not of staffers, not of hacks, but of people of intellect and people who are willing to put the country first.
01:14:27That's why Trump needs to convene a commission.
01:14:29This is all so heavy that, you know, you wonder who would take that job.
01:14:36No, I have people who will take it.
01:14:38I have firefighters who will take it, fire engineers.
01:14:40I have people who will surprise you that will take the job.
01:14:43That would take true courage.
01:14:46No one even mentions declassifying 9-11.
01:14:49I mean, it's like, oh, the Kennedy Association, UAPs.
01:14:52I mean, I'm all for disclosure because we own the government.
01:14:55We're shareholders.
01:14:56We're not slaves.
01:14:57So that's my view.
01:14:58I always push for disclosure, and I really mean it.
01:15:00But a 9-11, I don't even know anyone who wants – I do, but I don't know anybody else other than you who really wants full disclosure because it's like you can feel it glowing.
01:15:10You just feel like, I don't know what that is, but that's really scary.
01:15:13You know why?
01:15:14Everybody in Washington gets caught up with their careers, with their consultant fees, with their – I'm done with that.
01:15:23I'm still paying the mortgage on my house.
01:15:25Actually?
01:15:26Yeah.
01:15:26I'm still paying the mortgage on my house.
01:15:27At what age?
01:15:2977.
01:15:30Amazing.
01:15:30Yeah, my wife's a nurse.
01:15:31So you didn't get rich in Congress.
01:15:33No, I did not get – I didn't get – I don't know how Biden and Obama – Obama was nothing in the Senate.
01:15:39How do you make $88 million in the Senate when you don't have a job?
01:15:44And Biden, who I grew up with and was a friend with, I mean, our kids went to school together.
01:15:48How does he have multiple houses at the beach?
01:15:51And, you know, I don't need wealth.
01:15:54I don't need wealth to be successful, and that's not going to be my legacy.
01:15:59But there are people, and it makes me sick to my stomach because I'd like to name them all right now, Tucker.
01:16:05Well, go ahead.
01:16:06Well, I have them down.
01:16:08You know my partners, Judge Sullivan, very distinguished.
01:16:12The former deputy director of the FBI, Buck Revell.
01:16:15Jim Woolsey, former deputy – former head of the CIA.
01:16:18Chuck Brooks, who you got a note from, former top guy at Homeland Security.
01:16:26Admiral Jay Cohen, who was head of research.
01:16:27They all know what I know, and a lot more people.
01:16:30I had lunch with Jim Jones twice last year, former security advisor to Obama.
01:16:36I don't want to upend their careers.
01:16:37I don't want to cost them money.
01:16:39But America needs to know the truth.
01:16:41But without naming specific names, I'm familiar with every person that you just mentioned,
01:16:47and I would say from my impression, having lived in D.C. for 40 years, those are good guys, I think, honest people.
01:16:52Yeah.
01:16:53But without naming anybody, like people who – and those are all very highly informed people, like actually, for real.
01:17:00Not bullshit.
01:17:01No, they're all real people.
01:17:01Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for real.
01:17:03Of that – of those kind of people, how many that you know think, ah, this is not right, the 9-11 report.
01:17:09All of them.
01:17:10All of them.
01:17:10But they're not going to come out.
01:17:11But everyone kind of knows.
01:17:12They're not going to be the lead person to come out and take it on.
01:17:15And many people say, you know, Kurt, you're crazy.
01:17:17You know, you're –
01:17:18Well, of course.
01:17:18Well, that's how they try to describe you.
01:17:19You're writing your –
01:17:20The only reason that – I mean, I've never done a 9-11 show.
01:17:23I'm not a single one, really, that I know maybe won in 30 years.
01:17:27Well, now 24 years.
01:17:28But the only reason that I wanted to talk to you specifically is because I was there, and so I know how much you know.
01:17:36And you're not a fake person at all.
01:17:37You're, like, right at the center of it.
01:17:38So I think you have complete credibility on this topic.
01:17:42And I think it's pretty hard to dismiss you as a wacko.
01:17:45If you're a wacko, then why are you going to take over the Armed Services Committee?
01:17:48Like –
01:17:49Why would Donald Rumsfeld endorse me for the Armed Services Committee?
01:17:52And if you're still paying your mortgage at 77, you clearly weren't ripping anybody off.
01:17:56I have no secret bank account.
01:17:57Clearly.
01:17:59So I do think you've got a lot of credibility.
01:18:02But it's just interesting.
01:18:03You're obviously very focused on this.
01:18:05The people – just to restate, the people that you talked to who were in similar positions of authority who would have access to, you know, real intel on this, they all think that the 9-11 –
01:18:14They all think the 9-11 report was just silly.
01:18:16Cover up.
01:18:18They think that there's a lot more to what happened than what's being told.
01:18:23The firefighters think the same.
01:18:26But a firefighter who's doing their – you know, the key thing and why I devote my life to firefighters, they're the most powerful people in the country.
01:18:32They're not driven by power nor money.
01:18:34But when I organized them back in 1987 and the fire caucus became the largest in the Congress, I said, these are the people that make America work.
01:18:43Of course.
01:18:44I mean, they're the people that not just fight the fires and disasters.
01:18:47They're the people – it's where you vote on Election Day.
01:18:49Of course.
01:18:49It's where you hold the Boy Scout and Girl Scout meeting room.
01:18:52And there are 50,000 stations run by 30,000 departments and 85% of them are volunteers.
01:18:58Do you know next year as we celebrate the 250th anniversary of America, the fire service will be 290 years old?
01:19:03Yeah.
01:19:04The first fire department was formed by Ben Franklin in Philadelphia in 1736.
01:19:08It didn't take a government to get people to come together to protect each other.
01:19:12It's older than America.
01:19:15And the 50,000 departments are in every town, every village.
01:19:18They're the heart and soul of our nation and the backbone of our country.
01:19:20I know that for you.
01:19:22And that's what I'm telling Trump.
01:19:23If you ignite that group of people, you don't need to have MAGA people alone.
01:19:28You have America then.
01:19:29Because in every poll, firefighters are 98% supported.
01:19:34They're the only ones everyone likes.
01:19:36I totally agree.
01:19:38Because they're not driven by power nor money.
01:19:40That's right.
01:19:40And that's why firefighters don't want to get involved in a political battle.
01:19:43Even if they know they're being shortchanged, even if they know their loved one was killed when they shouldn't have been killed, they keep quiet.
01:19:51Well, I'm not going to keep quiet.
01:19:53I'm their voice, and I'm going to speak out.
01:19:55So let me ask you one final question for people who've made it this far in the interview.
01:20:01And I should just, I want to say for the record, I think you've been really restrained.
01:20:03You haven't speculated on really anything other than things.
01:20:07You said, I saw this.
01:20:08I know this to be true.
01:20:09But you haven't given us some complex theory of why this happened.
01:20:13I can't.
01:20:14I won't.
01:20:14Right.
01:20:14But for people who are thinking, wow, this is a little more serious than I realized, and I want to know more, and clearly Wikipedia is a filter, not a way to actually understand history, what responsible, credible accounts of 9-11 would you recommend people read?
01:20:35Like, where do you get closer to the truth?
01:20:37There is no one single account that I have seen.
01:20:41And I would suggest, and they can go on, I'm not on social media except on LinkedIn, and if you go to my LinkedIn, I'll send you a copy of Bravo 7.
01:20:52Bravo 7 is a film one hour long done by firefighters, not done by Hollywood.
01:20:57And by the way, my film based on my book is coming out next year, and all the proceeds of my film Firefight are going to firefighters.
01:21:04So nobody can say he's going to make a profit off that.
01:21:07No.
01:21:07You'll still be paying your mortgage.
01:21:09My Hollywood film is the proceeds are going to firefighters, and it's about my book.
01:21:13But Bravo 7 gives you the story of what really happened from the eyes of a firefighter.
01:21:20And then it has the audio comments of Orio Palmer.
01:21:25And if you're a human being, and you listen to that brave firefighter with two kids, I think two or three kids, who's risking his life after he went up 40 floors in the elevator, climbing up 38 floors with his team, arriving on the floor of impact, and saying, I can handle it.
01:21:42And if we let him die there like it, and if we let him die there like it was just some random thing, then we're not human beings of decency.
01:21:50I agree.
01:21:51We owe Orio Palmer.
01:21:53We owe Ray Downey.
01:21:55Ray Downey told us 93, eight years earlier, this is going to happen again.
01:21:59Ray Downey told us in the Gilmore Commission we needed to have this fusion center.
01:22:03We allowed unnamed scumbags in the CIA to block us from having a fusion center.
01:22:10We allowed unnamed scumbags in the agencies to block transferring the information that Scott Philpott and Tony Schaefer and Eileen Pricer and Eric Kleinsmith had that they tried to transfer to the Justice Department.
01:22:23And they also had information before the attack on the USS Cole when they ruined the career of Kirk Lippold, the commander of the coal, and I defended him.
01:22:33If we're going to truly be a country that really cares about other people and what we're doing, then we have to live up to that.
01:22:40And how can you send your kid to war or combat and all this crap about giving them a home and a place to live and health?
01:22:48Well, great.
01:22:48Let's do it up front.
01:22:50Let's prevent them from needing a home.
01:22:51Let's prevent them from needing health care.
01:22:54Let's prevent them from having to be put in a shelter someplace.
01:22:58Let's focus on the veteran before they become disabled.
01:23:01Let's focus on the firefighter before they die.
01:23:04But see, the media, the media and the intel deep site likes to make it look like, well, we got all these charities out there.
01:23:10These charities allow us to give money like we really care about them.
01:23:15Caring about them after they're dead is not the same as preventing them from dying.
01:23:19And that's what this is about, preventing them from dying.
01:23:21And I'm not going to stop until we take the necessary steps to never let this happen again.
01:23:26I'm grateful for your determination.
01:23:29And the last thing I'll say is I think when you give up the love of money, you get filled with a holy power.
01:23:35And you clearly have been.
01:23:36So, Congressman, thank you.
01:23:37Very much.
01:23:39You
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