"We must fight this war together and eliminate this threat," Bilal Azhar Kayani

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00:00Mr. Bilal, I would like to hear your opinion on this.

00:03The attack in Bannu, which was failed,

00:07it is obvious that the security forces were successful,

00:10but 13 innocent citizens were martyred,

00:1232 were injured,

00:145 security personnel were martyred,

00:1716 terrorists were killed.

00:20One thing here is that in such numbers,

00:22the terrorists did not reach there.

00:24This means that their facilitators are still present,

00:28who are facilitating them in some way,

00:31on the basis of which they were able to reach there.

00:33After that, it is obvious that our security forces had expertise,

00:36because they failed the attack,

00:38but still, what work is being done on this aspect,

00:41and what is being done now?

00:44Look, Mr. Satti, there are two things in this.

00:46One, you saw that on the forum of the Apex Committee,

00:49where the Prime Minister is also there,

00:51the Army Chief is also there,

00:52the CMs of all four provinces are also there,

00:55there too, the war against terrorism is being raised,

00:59and we are seeing again and again,

01:01that the forces of Pakistan and the government of Pakistan,

01:04are showing their full commitment,

01:06and especially the forces of Pakistan,

01:08that you are seeing,

01:09that how this wave of terrorism has come,

01:12in that, again and again,

01:14they are winning against these terrorists,

01:17when such occasions are coming,

01:19and they are also being martyred,

01:21but certainly,

01:22we have to end this threat,

01:24which has resurfaced,

01:26we have to end it together,

01:28as it was done in the era of Nawaz Sharif,

01:30as a result of Radl-ul-Fasad and Zarb-e-Azb.

01:33Now, I don't want to go into that debate,

01:35that after that, how,

01:37why, and because of which policies,

01:39between 2018 and 2022,

01:41in the era of the PTI government,

01:43which policies opened the door for terrorism again.

01:47But today, I think,

01:48especially in KP,

01:49which is the front line in this war,

01:51against terrorism,

01:52in that, where the forces of Pakistan,

01:54and the loyal law enforcement agencies,

01:56are playing their role,

01:57I think the KP government,

01:59and the law enforcement agencies there,

02:01will have to make sure,

02:02that this becomes their number one priority,

02:04and such things don't become a priority,

02:06which we have seen in the last 24-26 days.

02:08Let's hope so,

02:09that obviously everyone will have to take their own route.

02:11I think everyone will have to fight this war together,

02:13and only then will we end it,

02:15with a united front.

02:16Yes, Senator,

02:17by the way, this is the need of the time,

02:19because we have always fought,

02:20whenever there has been an incident of terrorism,

02:22or overall,

02:23sometimes there are indicators,

02:25as to how they are penetrating,

02:27or flourishing again,

02:28even on the other side of the border.

02:30So, the kind of responsibilities you are talking about,

02:32that the KP government should play its role,

02:34and the law enforcement agencies there,

02:36should play their role.

02:38So, what are your thoughts?

02:39Is there a lack of commitment from that side?

02:41Yes, I will give you my own opinion,

02:44because I have been a member of the

02:48Kaima Committee,

02:50and was the chairman of it.

02:52So, who is better than you?

02:54Although my field is law,

02:56and after that I got into human rights,

02:58but I also taught myself a lot about this,

03:00on the job,

03:02and also explained about this.

03:04And apart from that,

03:06our party's stance on this is also very clear.

03:08I will shed light on both.

03:10Okay.

03:11The incident of Bannu,

03:12and apart from that,

03:13the other,

03:14and especially regarding February,

03:16this report came out,

03:18that the civilian casualties,

03:20or the martyrs,

03:22were more than the security personnel,

03:24and in comparison to January,

03:26they were more than twice as many.

03:28There were 20 civilian casualties in January,

03:31and 55 in the month of February.

03:36Okay.

03:37When the situation in Pakistan is going on,

03:39and the way,

03:40first of all, I want to emphasize the difference,

03:43which Mr. Kiani just mentioned,

03:45the situation in Pakistan,

03:47which has been going on for at least two decades,

03:50if not more than that,

03:52there are two ways to counter it,

03:54and there are two prongs to it.

03:56He mentioned one.

03:58So, there are two prongs,

04:00anti-insurgency,

04:02one is the prong,

04:04and the other is counter-terrorism.

04:06Counter-terrorism.

04:07In anti-insurgency,

04:08the extremists,

04:09the separatists,

04:10those who are running movements,

04:12those who are running militant movements,

04:14in Balochistan,

04:15or in Malaysia,

04:16or anywhere,

04:17against them,

04:18you do kinetic operations,

04:20that is anti-insurgency,

04:22in which you give air cover,

04:24use of force,

04:25you do kinetic operations,

04:27or IBOs,

04:29whatever.

04:30Okay.

04:31In counter-terrorism,

04:33the most important thing is

04:35your intelligence gathering,

04:37and your different civil and military agencies,

04:40and their opposite coordination.

04:42Okay.

04:43There is no doubt in this,

04:46that it is a commendable thing,

04:48that the way the security personnel

04:50have made it known,

04:51and have been making it known,

04:53and in the case of Bannu as well.

04:55There was a NACTA institute here,

04:57it was a directorate,

04:58it was a very good building,

05:00its role was to coordinate.

05:02I am sorry,

05:03I am interrupting you,

05:04but let me say one more thing.

05:05Everything that happened from 2018 to 2020,

05:08this is completely wrong.

05:10Let me tell you,

05:11all the travel advisories

05:13that were taken back to Pakistan,

05:15the safest country to travel to Pakistan,

05:18in terms of backpackers,

05:20in terms of hikers,

05:21in terms of tourism,

05:22British Airways restarted its flights,

05:24Virgin Atlantic restarted its flights,

05:27this whole system,

05:28The PIA was shut down,

05:29that is a different thing.

05:30That is a different thing.

05:31But I am just saying,

05:32one of the safest destinations,

05:34was between 2018 and 2022,

05:36in terms of tourism.

05:37That is why this is wrong.

05:39Syed Muhammad Ali,

05:40I just want to know one thing from you,

05:43our coordination,

05:44of course,

05:45Afwaj has its own role,

05:46and it is playing its own role,

05:47but in this,

05:48coordination is the key.

05:50If a threat comes,

05:51it should be perceived,

05:52and then everything should be forwarded.

05:54This was a NACTA institute,

05:55what is its role now,

05:56to what extent is it effective,

05:58as of now,

05:59and what other improvements are there?

06:01I just want an answer to this.

06:03Yes, absolutely.

06:04This is a very important

06:05and pivotal role of NACTA,

06:07and I will continue this

06:09by agreeing with the Senator,

06:11that I think,

06:12in simple words,

06:14a successful decision,

06:17which is the Hikmat-e-Amli,

06:19against terrorism,

06:20to get rid of it,

06:21there are three prongs of the Hikmat-e-Amli.

06:24One is the embassy prong,

06:25which has been restored,

06:26today,

06:27by the National Security Advisor,

06:29of the United States,

06:30and the Deputy Prime Minister of Pakistan,

06:32for the non-formal exchange of views,

06:34and to promote cooperation.

06:37The second prong is its kinetics,

06:41which is the role of our intelligence organizations,

06:44our law enforcement agencies,

06:46and the army of Pakistan.

06:49But the third,

06:50most important prong,

06:52which addresses those causes,

06:54on the basis of which terrorism

06:56grows externally and internally,

06:58that is a reality,

07:01that it exists in a psychosocial domain.

07:04And for that,

07:05all the civil institutions,

07:07whether it is the Federal Government,

07:09or the Provincial Government,

07:10their coordination is as important,

07:12as our religious scholars,

07:14our religious leaders,

07:16our political parties,

07:18our media,

07:20that until we don't make it a national effort,

07:23that we have to deal with terrorism,

07:25it will only work on the individual level,

07:28of the state or government,

07:30which will not yield durable and enduring results.

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