00:00It's a great pleasure and honor for me to have the discussion with someone for whom
00:10I have great respect and actually, Prime Minister, we met the first time nearly 40 years ago.
00:18When we were kids.
00:19When we were kids, exactly, when we were kids.
00:24So I ask you two questions.
00:26The first one is what, let's say, takes you to sleep at night if you think of the human
00:34rights situation in the world.
00:35You have been very outspoken, very engaged.
00:39And second, with now the cancellation of the Paris Agreement by the U.S., will you maintain
00:51your commitment to green development in Malaysia?
00:56Well, first on the issue of human rights, justice, anti-colonization and exploitation,
01:04harlop, harlop, which was the slogan in the 70s.
01:08I have not forgotten that.
01:11I think we should be really consistent.
01:13There is trust deficit, and there is certainly the issue of deficit in terms of moral, ethical
01:22principles in governance.
01:24There is what I consider as hypocrisy, politics of ambivalence.
01:31But what do we see?
01:33So we will have to have a showcase.
01:35Malaysia is a multiracial country.
01:37Now we can showcase that we are the Muslim majority with strong ethnic Chinese and ethnic
01:43Indians and the tribal groups in Sabah-Sarawak can be taken as one great family.
01:51Then we showcase that in that manner.
01:53We have a problem in Myanmar.
01:55ASEAN has reached this five-point consensus.
01:59But we are very aggressively engaging with Myanmar now on the principles, which of course
02:06cannot ignore the issue of human rights.
02:10On the issue of climate change, it doesn't matter whether this is Paris Accord or international
02:14recognition.
02:15We have to take measures to save our country and our society.
02:21And if it requires us to observe strictly the understanding, which is tied to the Paris
02:27Agreement, we have to honor.
02:30And I think it is not a matter of honoring that.
02:32We are working at a faster pace.
02:35That's why we have the ASEAN Energy Agreement.
02:37It's a faster pace than what was projected earlier.
02:39And if we can reach that in the next few years, then of course it's more economic, it's cheaper
02:46energy, but it meets the requirements of the Paris Accord.
02:51So it doesn't matter whether – well, it does matter to the world, unfortunately, that
02:56we need countries, rich countries, industrial countries, that cost most of the burden to
03:01undertake some of these measures.
03:03What they promised, they have not honored.
03:04Maybe we can go on complaining, but we have to start doing it.
03:09So you ask me on the issue of human rights, human climate, is it because of international
03:13understanding?
03:14No.
03:15It is what is our commitment, our values dictate for the sake of humanity, that we undertake
03:23bold, tough measures, beginning from our home.
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