00:00Uh, we are getting some signs that things are good with Devon a Chan going tonight.
00:05He did post on, uh, Instagram Leroy a mere a couple hours ago, but he said it's on bills
00:14dolphins tonight on prime.
00:16And I don't know if he's doing like an ad thing here where he's getting some dough from
00:20prime, which good for you, Devon, if that's the case, but he is posting a it's on tonight.
00:24So, and he's in uniform of the picture.
00:26Look, it was all fancy and snazzy, you know?
00:28So, you know, it could be a good sign.
00:31I don't know.
00:32I'll tell you what game time decision decision is tough, squirrely touch and go.
00:40Right.
00:41So I wouldn't, um, I don't know how to read into it, to be honest with you, simply because,
00:49um, it's really hard when they work these guys out to, um, figure out, you know, whether
01:03they can play or not.
01:04And so it becomes a difficult thing.
01:08So I don't know, man, I don't know.
01:10It was tough.
01:11I will say there's an interesting, uh, an interesting thing that we have to look out
01:15for, which is the mole factor.
01:19Okay.
01:21And you have former team, former dolphins, former bills on both sides of the matchup.
01:28One of them being Jordan Poyer and Tua.
01:32He says that having the former bill's safety, a savant in the Sean McDermott system he thinks
01:38is going to be highly beneficial to him.
01:41Here is Tua.
01:42Yeah.
01:43They, they definitely can.
01:46They know in the backend signals with what, what, um, what the bills do and how they communicate
01:54things that they've done to stop us previous years.
01:58Um, and then, you know, just kind of the philosophy of that defense with what they try to accomplish
02:05against our offense, uniquely different than a lot of the teams they, they, they would
02:10play against.
02:11Um, can take a lot of the information that, that I've been given from those guys early
02:16in the week.
02:17Um, and apply it to Thursday.
02:18I know that Leroy, um, I would say this, don't read too much into that.
02:31What do you mean?
02:32Institutional knowledge?
02:33Dude.
02:34He knows the philosophy.
02:35Oh, okay.
02:37Here's how football is.
02:40They know, you know, and now they're going to disguise some stuff and you're going to
02:46look like an idiot.
02:48If you say, well, so-and-so told us they were going to do this.
02:52You see what I'm saying?
02:53Just, just go through your process.
02:58Okay.
02:59What it helps coaches with, which you don't need signals for anyway, is what have they
03:08done to us to eliminate what we do for the last couple of years?
03:12It's already on tape.
03:15You see what I mean?
03:16So like, yeah, it, some of it matters, but you're not going to be able to read signals
03:22and stuff like that.
03:23You got to read coverages and see the rotations of the secondary in the front, the line anyway.
03:28So the signals they're giving, you're not really going to pay attention to.
03:32It's more important that when you see these different movements and stuff, you have an
03:39idea of what coverages they're going to run and you're going to get that from film.
03:43So although Poyer can help as far as what they would try to accomplish against the Dolphins,
03:53the signals don't matter as much.
03:56They really don't.
03:57Well, they call him a safety Socrates.
03:58That's why he knows the defensive philosophy in Buffalo, dude.
04:01So I think it's a, it's not nothing.
04:02I mean, you can't dismiss it.
04:04Um, yes, you can.
04:09To a did dismiss their mole, Mike White, former Dolphins, backup quarterback.
04:15Wait, wait, wait.
04:16So wait, what?
04:18Who's more important, Mike White or the safety?
04:26I'll let Tua answer that question because I'll let Tua know.
04:30Now he didn't do it very well.
04:32That's why he's not here anymore, which is a whole nother question is that if he was
04:35that damn important, he'd still be here.
04:38Here's Tua on Mike White being a mole.
04:41You things up knowing that Mike White is on the other side now?
04:45No.
04:46You don't have to.
04:47Explain this to me.
04:48Why don't you have to?
04:49Why would we have to?
04:50You know, in terms of the signals and the words.
04:52But we don't really signal.
04:54There you go.
04:56Yeah, I mean, I mean, the words like he's not in our huddle with us listening.
05:02And with all due respect, like they they can they can understand all the concepts we're
05:07running.
05:08But are we running that concept on that play where with what they're they're trying to
05:13do?
05:14Like, you know, that's that's just the whole game.
05:17And yeah, we we both got to go out and play whether we know their signals, whether we
05:22know what what they got going on and vice versa.
05:26At the end of the day, we both got to go out there and we got to go play again.
05:31Why can't it be the same way?
05:32The other way?
05:33Well, it's just, you know what I'm saying?
05:36One guy's what I said, but but it's with I kind of feel, though.
05:42I kind of feel like the quarterback would have more knowledge about what's going on
05:46than the safety.
05:47Unless the quarterback's a bum.
05:52I just said that, that if he was so in tune to the offense, he would still be here.
05:57Right.
05:58So we're on the same page there.
05:59You and I agree with each other.
06:00No, we don't.
06:01I kind of do.
06:02Because you just made my new show important.
06:04It's not my new show.
06:05I mean, because Jordan Boyer, he's got years with who it is.
06:10You don't see, dude, when you're going through your pre-snap checks and seeing the rotation
06:18of safeties and whatever, you ain't got time to look at no damn signals.
06:22You're looking at the movement of bodies.
06:25Who cares about the signals?
06:26Because guess what?
06:28You can signal anything, but your ass need to be where you need to be before the snap.
06:33That takes president over anything else.
06:35But you got to go, you got to see.
06:39I'm not going to let you ruin football.
06:43I'm not ruining football with lunacy.
06:45Let me ask you, how can a quarterback knowing the offense not matter, but a defensive guy
06:50can't.
06:52Because one defender is good and the others are bum.
06:55That's kind of what Tua said.
06:56It has nothing to do with how good you were.
06:57I don't know.
06:58I mean, like, listen, if you, if you get a bum who can't really report what is being
07:02done and, and, and break it down, but you have Boyer, who's a savant, you know, it's,
07:07it's one thing.
07:08Here's the, here's what I would say.
07:09Like, if you were to sit down, right.
07:11And you were able to learn guitar from Jimi Hendrix, which like is poyer to the bill's
07:16defense.
07:17That's one thing.
07:18But if you were to learn from somebody who has auto tune and isn't really a good singer,
07:22you know, somebody like, I don't know, Millie Vanilli trying to teach you music, then all
07:27of a sudden you're like, Oh no, this guy's a fraud, but, but this is where, this is where
07:33you're off.
07:35Okay.
07:36Because on an offense, when you're running offense, you're looking at the location and
07:42the shifting and the movement of players.
07:46The signals they give to get in those positions don't matter.
07:50The most important part of that is where they are, where they line up.
07:56So if you're not reading that and you're looking for signals, you, you lost anyway.
08:02Whereas if you look at it from Poyer's perspective, he can say, Hey, when this guy goes in motion
08:12over here to here, this is what they're trying to do.
08:15They're going to change that stuff.
08:17I don't know.
08:18It doesn't matter that, you know, before every game you get the tape of the other team, right?
08:27Signals do not matter.
08:29The signals matter to some extent from this sample, if wide receiving the quarterbacks
08:33use the same signals, but guess what?
08:35I told you defenses are stupid, right?
08:38You're idiots.
08:39You know why?
08:41Because if you give a signal, they want to celebrate that they know what you're doing
08:44and it could be a dummy call.
08:45Well, if you're saying that read your keys, play football and stop worrying about the
08:51inside information, you know, and not know, because it'll get your burn.
08:55I don't know.
08:56I used to, we used to do it.
08:58We used to do what?
08:59Want them to know what we're doing to think they were doing because we weren't doing it.
09:03But if they know that, you know, that they think, you know, doesn't that change some
09:09of the methods that you're going to go about and attack it with like Poyer, for example,
09:12he's almost like, he's almost like a puppeteer in Sean McDermott's mind.
09:16Right.
09:17But, but very clearly Mike white was not because one was trusted by their coach for years and
09:22the other was sent to Buffalo.
09:24So what's that still had to learn the offense.
09:29It doesn't matter.
09:30Like if I don't know the language and I go to, if I go to, you know, the Dominican Republic,
09:33it doesn't mean I'm going to get around speaking Spanish.
09:35You don't need to know the language again.
09:40Here's what I'm telling you.
09:42Everything that everybody's going to learn as far as motions and situations and circumstances
09:49is all going to be on film.
09:51What a person comes into a locker room and tells you about doesn't mean anything because
09:56you see it on film.
09:58What do they like to do on first and 10?
10:00What do they like to do a first and 10 against three or four wide receivers?
10:04What do they like to do?
10:05All these situations are spelled out for you and you learn these during the course of a
10:10week.
10:11If somebody comes in and tells you something, the film, don't lie.
10:14You already see it, the signals and all that stuff don't matter, but I'm not disagreeing
10:20with you.
10:21But what I'm saying is, I know it's not, I know I'm right.
10:25There's one thing.
10:26One thing.
10:27One thing.
10:28What did you say?
10:29It's different.
10:30I understand.
10:31I spent a lot of time doing this.
10:32I get you.
10:33I'm not dismissing your expertise.
10:34I just want to be clear.
10:35Let's do it this way.
10:36Yeah.
10:37I spent more time in that environment.
10:38Yeah.
10:39Then you have been a host.
10:40That's not true.
10:41A host.
10:42That's not true.
10:43We've been doing this show for how long?
10:44Eight years.
10:45Okay.
10:46I did some weekends before you.
10:47No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
10:54That was, you were, we were fourth wide receiver back then.
10:57That doesn't matter.
10:58Still reps.
10:59And I used to host on WBRY.
11:03Environments environment.
11:04Now let me just say this.
11:05Can I just hear one more?
11:06I'll tell you to your film point.
11:07No, no, no.
11:08I just, one more point.
11:09I swear I'm going to leave this, this, this, this alone.
11:10No, you're not.
11:11You're not going to stop.
11:12You just want to admit that what you're saying matters, doesn't matter.
11:18Wouldn't you say that when you watch the film, if I were to watch any film, the Godfather,
11:24the Pulp Fiction, it's one thing to watch it with the director, it's one thing.
11:30If you have like details, like, Oh, I'm watching the film with Quentin Tarantino, which is
11:33essentially what Jordan Boyer is.
11:35That's what it's like watching with Jordan Boyer.
11:37But if you're watching with Mike White, that guy was like a grip on set.
11:40You know?
11:41Let me, let me explain something to you that everything that happens on the football field
11:48is done to accomplish certain things.
11:51For example, you know, no matter what a defense has to cover different areas of the field
11:59with a body.
12:01If not, somebody is going to be wide open.
12:04So no matter what signals they give, no matter where they line up, you know, there's going
12:10to be bodies in certain areas.
12:12Now, the key is figuring out which bodies is going to be and where they're going to
12:16come from.
12:17And that gives you an advantage.
12:19You can pick up some of that stuff on, on film.
12:23Okay.
12:24But to see the rotations of the players, you know that if one guy's here, nobody else is
12:29going to cover there.
12:30That guy's going to come from somewhere and you just kind of read it.
12:33Now what happens is with defenses is they try to get too cute.
12:38So they try to run guys to trick you from far away to get in certain areas and then
12:43they get gashed.
12:44I think we're saying the same thing here.
12:46Nope.
12:47Oh my God.
12:48Will you stop saying that to me?
12:51Will you stop saying that to me?
12:52No, we're not.
12:53I'm talking football and you're talking about a Quentin Tarantino movie, right?
12:58You're talking about learning guitar from Jimi Hendrix.
13:00No, I'm talking football.
13:03So like why you want to just absorb all this and think it's all important.
13:10Why I think all this crap is important.
13:12I'm telling you it's not.
13:16Who cares if you know what the signals are?
13:19You should know that Tobin's going to be a usual suspect and say all of this.
13:24I fall for it.
13:25You know who I feel like?
13:26You fall for it all the time.
13:27I feel like Trump right now.
13:29He got goaded and baited in.
13:30From Tesla Dawn, this man has always got you.
13:34Yeah.
13:35Reading the cats.
13:37Like.
13:38We were unchained when he's talking NFL football.
13:43Yes.
13:44Tobin tries to rain on my, like, you know what's funny?
13:50All the years we've been together and we talk about all kinds of stuff.
13:55I will say this.
13:56If I have a question about the fight game, I call Tobin.
14:00I ask Tobin and I listen.
14:02I don't question him, right?
14:04But when it comes to football, this dude fights me like a wild.
14:09I'm not fighting.
14:10You are fighting.
14:11I'm just asking him seriously.
14:13I said it doesn't matter.
14:16But okay.
14:17But Tua said it did.
14:18Like, I'm not.
14:19I'm not.
14:20Wait, wait, wait.
14:21You can't say it matters for the other side, but not for you.
14:23That's his opinion.
14:25Then why isn't Josh Allen saying that Paulie ain't been over?
14:28It doesn't matter.
14:29I don't know what Josh Allen said.
14:30Maybe he did.
14:31I don't know.
14:32So why?
14:33My question is, how can it matter for one side?
14:36Because the same thing Tua said is the same thing that applies on the other side.
14:40They're not in the huddle here in the call, so they don't know what the play is.
14:43Take it up with QB1, dude, not me.
14:45I'm not the one saying it.
14:46You act like I just came up with this take by myself.
14:49The quarterback said it.
14:50You're the one that's riding it like Seabiscuit.
14:52It's Tua.
14:53He's the captain.
14:54Oh, my goodness.
14:55You're like.
14:56Speaking of fighters.
14:57You know what?
14:58I could have a better football conversation with my wife because she has no idea what
15:06I'm talking about.
15:07And she just looks at me and goes, I said, do you understand what I'm saying?
15:12No.
15:13Okay.
15:14Good talk.
15:15That's it.
15:16That's what it's like talking to you.
15:17You just compared the sweet sport of football to learning guitar from Jimi Hendrix or watching
15:25a movie with Quentin Tarantino.
15:26Yeah.
15:27Do you understand how ridiculous that's?
15:28I don't think it is ridiculous.
15:29It's ridiculous.
15:30It's ridiculous.
15:31Speaking of fighters, by the way.
15:32He's going to join us at the top of this hour.
15:39He's fighting for the championship.
15:40We're going to get sugar.
15:41Sean.
15:42Sugar.
15:43Sean.
15:44Yep.
15:45Oh, I know.
15:46I got a question.
15:47Locked and loaded.
15:48So we'll talk to him.
15:49Rob.
15:50Because he is the tallest small person I've ever met in my life.
15:51Who?
15:52Sugar.
15:53Sean.
15:54We're not talking.
15:55We're not talking to sugar.
15:56Sean.
15:57No, we're talking to.
15:58Yeah, right.
15:59Yeah.
16:00So I don't know how you how do you fight that guy?
16:01I don't know.
16:02I don't know.
16:03I don't know.
16:04I don't know.
16:05I don't know.
16:06I don't know.
16:07I don't know.
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16:09I don't know.
16:10I don't know.
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16:12I don't know.
16:13I don't know.
16:14I don't know.
16:15I don't know.
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16:17I don't know.
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16:27I don't know.
16:28I don't know.
16:29I don't know.
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