The Mole Factor: Dolphins vs Bills... Who will be Beast of The AFC East?

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Signs are leading to De'Von Achane taking on the Bills tonight. The guys argue the difference in the "Mole Factor"... Tua thinks Jordan Poyer could be highly beneficial to him. Then dismisses the Bills mole... Mike White.

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00:00Uh, we are getting some signs that things are good with Devon a Chan going tonight.

00:05He did post on, uh, Instagram Leroy a mere a couple hours ago, but he said it's on bills

00:14dolphins tonight on prime.

00:16And I don't know if he's doing like an ad thing here where he's getting some dough from

00:20prime, which good for you, Devon, if that's the case, but he is posting a it's on tonight.

00:24So, and he's in uniform of the picture.

00:26Look, it was all fancy and snazzy, you know?

00:28So, you know, it could be a good sign.

00:31I don't know.

00:32I'll tell you what game time decision decision is tough, squirrely touch and go.

00:40Right.

00:41So I wouldn't, um, I don't know how to read into it, to be honest with you, simply because,

00:49um, it's really hard when they work these guys out to, um, figure out, you know, whether

01:03they can play or not.

01:04And so it becomes a difficult thing.

01:08So I don't know, man, I don't know.

01:10It was tough.

01:11I will say there's an interesting, uh, an interesting thing that we have to look out

01:15for, which is the mole factor.

01:19Okay.

01:21And you have former team, former dolphins, former bills on both sides of the matchup.

01:28One of them being Jordan Poyer and Tua.

01:32He says that having the former bill's safety, a savant in the Sean McDermott system he thinks

01:38is going to be highly beneficial to him.

01:41Here is Tua.

01:42Yeah.

01:43They, they definitely can.

01:46They know in the backend signals with what, what, um, what the bills do and how they communicate

01:54things that they've done to stop us previous years.

01:58Um, and then, you know, just kind of the philosophy of that defense with what they try to accomplish

02:05against our offense, uniquely different than a lot of the teams they, they, they would

02:10play against.

02:11Um, can take a lot of the information that, that I've been given from those guys early

02:16in the week.

02:17Um, and apply it to Thursday.

02:18I know that Leroy, um, I would say this, don't read too much into that.

02:31What do you mean?

02:32Institutional knowledge?

02:33Dude.

02:34He knows the philosophy.

02:35Oh, okay.

02:37Here's how football is.

02:40They know, you know, and now they're going to disguise some stuff and you're going to

02:46look like an idiot.

02:48If you say, well, so-and-so told us they were going to do this.

02:52You see what I'm saying?

02:53Just, just go through your process.

02:58Okay.

02:59What it helps coaches with, which you don't need signals for anyway, is what have they

03:08done to us to eliminate what we do for the last couple of years?

03:12It's already on tape.

03:15You see what I mean?

03:16So like, yeah, it, some of it matters, but you're not going to be able to read signals

03:22and stuff like that.

03:23You got to read coverages and see the rotations of the secondary in the front, the line anyway.

03:28So the signals they're giving, you're not really going to pay attention to.

03:32It's more important that when you see these different movements and stuff, you have an

03:39idea of what coverages they're going to run and you're going to get that from film.

03:43So although Poyer can help as far as what they would try to accomplish against the Dolphins,

03:53the signals don't matter as much.

03:56They really don't.

03:57Well, they call him a safety Socrates.

03:58That's why he knows the defensive philosophy in Buffalo, dude.

04:01So I think it's a, it's not nothing.

04:02I mean, you can't dismiss it.

04:04Um, yes, you can.

04:09To a did dismiss their mole, Mike White, former Dolphins, backup quarterback.

04:15Wait, wait, wait.

04:16So wait, what?

04:18Who's more important, Mike White or the safety?

04:26I'll let Tua answer that question because I'll let Tua know.

04:30Now he didn't do it very well.

04:32That's why he's not here anymore, which is a whole nother question is that if he was

04:35that damn important, he'd still be here.

04:38Here's Tua on Mike White being a mole.

04:41You things up knowing that Mike White is on the other side now?

04:45No.

04:46You don't have to.

04:47Explain this to me.

04:48Why don't you have to?

04:49Why would we have to?

04:50You know, in terms of the signals and the words.

04:52But we don't really signal.

04:54There you go.

04:56Yeah, I mean, I mean, the words like he's not in our huddle with us listening.

05:02And with all due respect, like they they can they can understand all the concepts we're

05:07running.

05:08But are we running that concept on that play where with what they're they're trying to

05:13do?

05:14Like, you know, that's that's just the whole game.

05:17And yeah, we we both got to go out and play whether we know their signals, whether we

05:22know what what they got going on and vice versa.

05:26At the end of the day, we both got to go out there and we got to go play again.

05:31Why can't it be the same way?

05:32The other way?

05:33Well, it's just, you know what I'm saying?

05:36One guy's what I said, but but it's with I kind of feel, though.

05:42I kind of feel like the quarterback would have more knowledge about what's going on

05:46than the safety.

05:47Unless the quarterback's a bum.

05:52I just said that, that if he was so in tune to the offense, he would still be here.

05:57Right.

05:58So we're on the same page there.

05:59You and I agree with each other.

06:00No, we don't.

06:01I kind of do.

06:02Because you just made my new show important.

06:04It's not my new show.

06:05I mean, because Jordan Boyer, he's got years with who it is.

06:10You don't see, dude, when you're going through your pre-snap checks and seeing the rotation

06:18of safeties and whatever, you ain't got time to look at no damn signals.

06:22You're looking at the movement of bodies.

06:25Who cares about the signals?

06:26Because guess what?

06:28You can signal anything, but your ass need to be where you need to be before the snap.

06:33That takes president over anything else.

06:35But you got to go, you got to see.

06:39I'm not going to let you ruin football.

06:43I'm not ruining football with lunacy.

06:45Let me ask you, how can a quarterback knowing the offense not matter, but a defensive guy

06:50can't.

06:52Because one defender is good and the others are bum.

06:55That's kind of what Tua said.

06:56It has nothing to do with how good you were.

06:57I don't know.

06:58I mean, like, listen, if you, if you get a bum who can't really report what is being

07:02done and, and, and break it down, but you have Boyer, who's a savant, you know, it's,

07:07it's one thing.

07:08Here's the, here's what I would say.

07:09Like, if you were to sit down, right.

07:11And you were able to learn guitar from Jimi Hendrix, which like is poyer to the bill's

07:16defense.

07:17That's one thing.

07:18But if you were to learn from somebody who has auto tune and isn't really a good singer,

07:22you know, somebody like, I don't know, Millie Vanilli trying to teach you music, then all

07:27of a sudden you're like, Oh no, this guy's a fraud, but, but this is where, this is where

07:33you're off.

07:35Okay.

07:36Because on an offense, when you're running offense, you're looking at the location and

07:42the shifting and the movement of players.

07:46The signals they give to get in those positions don't matter.

07:50The most important part of that is where they are, where they line up.

07:56So if you're not reading that and you're looking for signals, you, you lost anyway.

08:02Whereas if you look at it from Poyer's perspective, he can say, Hey, when this guy goes in motion

08:12over here to here, this is what they're trying to do.

08:15They're going to change that stuff.

08:17I don't know.

08:18It doesn't matter that, you know, before every game you get the tape of the other team, right?

08:27Signals do not matter.

08:29The signals matter to some extent from this sample, if wide receiving the quarterbacks

08:33use the same signals, but guess what?

08:35I told you defenses are stupid, right?

08:38You're idiots.

08:39You know why?

08:41Because if you give a signal, they want to celebrate that they know what you're doing

08:44and it could be a dummy call.

08:45Well, if you're saying that read your keys, play football and stop worrying about the

08:51inside information, you know, and not know, because it'll get your burn.

08:55I don't know.

08:56I used to, we used to do it.

08:58We used to do what?

08:59Want them to know what we're doing to think they were doing because we weren't doing it.

09:03But if they know that, you know, that they think, you know, doesn't that change some

09:09of the methods that you're going to go about and attack it with like Poyer, for example,

09:12he's almost like, he's almost like a puppeteer in Sean McDermott's mind.

09:16Right.

09:17But, but very clearly Mike white was not because one was trusted by their coach for years and

09:22the other was sent to Buffalo.

09:24So what's that still had to learn the offense.

09:29It doesn't matter.

09:30Like if I don't know the language and I go to, if I go to, you know, the Dominican Republic,

09:33it doesn't mean I'm going to get around speaking Spanish.

09:35You don't need to know the language again.

09:40Here's what I'm telling you.

09:42Everything that everybody's going to learn as far as motions and situations and circumstances

09:49is all going to be on film.

09:51What a person comes into a locker room and tells you about doesn't mean anything because

09:56you see it on film.

09:58What do they like to do on first and 10?

10:00What do they like to do a first and 10 against three or four wide receivers?

10:04What do they like to do?

10:05All these situations are spelled out for you and you learn these during the course of a

10:10week.

10:11If somebody comes in and tells you something, the film, don't lie.

10:14You already see it, the signals and all that stuff don't matter, but I'm not disagreeing

10:20with you.

10:21But what I'm saying is, I know it's not, I know I'm right.

10:25There's one thing.

10:26One thing.

10:27One thing.

10:28What did you say?

10:29It's different.

10:30I understand.

10:31I spent a lot of time doing this.

10:32I get you.

10:33I'm not dismissing your expertise.

10:34I just want to be clear.

10:35Let's do it this way.

10:36Yeah.

10:37I spent more time in that environment.

10:38Yeah.

10:39Then you have been a host.

10:40That's not true.

10:41A host.

10:42That's not true.

10:43We've been doing this show for how long?

10:44Eight years.

10:45Okay.

10:46I did some weekends before you.

10:47No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

10:54That was, you were, we were fourth wide receiver back then.

10:57That doesn't matter.

10:58Still reps.

10:59And I used to host on WBRY.

11:03Environments environment.

11:04Now let me just say this.

11:05Can I just hear one more?

11:06I'll tell you to your film point.

11:07No, no, no.

11:08I just, one more point.

11:09I swear I'm going to leave this, this, this, this alone.

11:10No, you're not.

11:11You're not going to stop.

11:12You just want to admit that what you're saying matters, doesn't matter.

11:18Wouldn't you say that when you watch the film, if I were to watch any film, the Godfather,

11:24the Pulp Fiction, it's one thing to watch it with the director, it's one thing.

11:30If you have like details, like, Oh, I'm watching the film with Quentin Tarantino, which is

11:33essentially what Jordan Boyer is.

11:35That's what it's like watching with Jordan Boyer.

11:37But if you're watching with Mike White, that guy was like a grip on set.

11:40You know?

11:41Let me, let me explain something to you that everything that happens on the football field

11:48is done to accomplish certain things.

11:51For example, you know, no matter what a defense has to cover different areas of the field

11:59with a body.

12:01If not, somebody is going to be wide open.

12:04So no matter what signals they give, no matter where they line up, you know, there's going

12:10to be bodies in certain areas.

12:12Now, the key is figuring out which bodies is going to be and where they're going to

12:16come from.

12:17And that gives you an advantage.

12:19You can pick up some of that stuff on, on film.

12:23Okay.

12:24But to see the rotations of the players, you know that if one guy's here, nobody else is

12:29going to cover there.

12:30That guy's going to come from somewhere and you just kind of read it.

12:33Now what happens is with defenses is they try to get too cute.

12:38So they try to run guys to trick you from far away to get in certain areas and then

12:43they get gashed.

12:44I think we're saying the same thing here.

12:46Nope.

12:47Oh my God.

12:48Will you stop saying that to me?

12:51Will you stop saying that to me?

12:52No, we're not.

12:53I'm talking football and you're talking about a Quentin Tarantino movie, right?

12:58You're talking about learning guitar from Jimi Hendrix.

13:00No, I'm talking football.

13:03So like why you want to just absorb all this and think it's all important.

13:10Why I think all this crap is important.

13:12I'm telling you it's not.

13:16Who cares if you know what the signals are?

13:19You should know that Tobin's going to be a usual suspect and say all of this.

13:24I fall for it.

13:25You know who I feel like?

13:26You fall for it all the time.

13:27I feel like Trump right now.

13:29He got goaded and baited in.

13:30From Tesla Dawn, this man has always got you.

13:34Yeah.

13:35Reading the cats.

13:37Like.

13:38We were unchained when he's talking NFL football.

13:43Yes.

13:44Tobin tries to rain on my, like, you know what's funny?

13:50All the years we've been together and we talk about all kinds of stuff.

13:55I will say this.

13:56If I have a question about the fight game, I call Tobin.

14:00I ask Tobin and I listen.

14:02I don't question him, right?

14:04But when it comes to football, this dude fights me like a wild.

14:09I'm not fighting.

14:10You are fighting.

14:11I'm just asking him seriously.

14:13I said it doesn't matter.

14:16But okay.

14:17But Tua said it did.

14:18Like, I'm not.

14:19I'm not.

14:20Wait, wait, wait.

14:21You can't say it matters for the other side, but not for you.

14:23That's his opinion.

14:25Then why isn't Josh Allen saying that Paulie ain't been over?

14:28It doesn't matter.

14:29I don't know what Josh Allen said.

14:30Maybe he did.

14:31I don't know.

14:32So why?

14:33My question is, how can it matter for one side?

14:36Because the same thing Tua said is the same thing that applies on the other side.

14:40They're not in the huddle here in the call, so they don't know what the play is.

14:43Take it up with QB1, dude, not me.

14:45I'm not the one saying it.

14:46You act like I just came up with this take by myself.

14:49The quarterback said it.

14:50You're the one that's riding it like Seabiscuit.

14:52It's Tua.

14:53He's the captain.

14:54Oh, my goodness.

14:55You're like.

14:56Speaking of fighters.

14:57You know what?

14:58I could have a better football conversation with my wife because she has no idea what

15:06I'm talking about.

15:07And she just looks at me and goes, I said, do you understand what I'm saying?

15:12No.

15:13Okay.

15:14Good talk.

15:15That's it.

15:16That's what it's like talking to you.

15:17You just compared the sweet sport of football to learning guitar from Jimi Hendrix or watching

15:25a movie with Quentin Tarantino.

15:26Yeah.

15:27Do you understand how ridiculous that's?

15:28I don't think it is ridiculous.

15:29It's ridiculous.

15:30It's ridiculous.

15:31Speaking of fighters, by the way.

15:32He's going to join us at the top of this hour.

15:39He's fighting for the championship.

15:40We're going to get sugar.

15:41Sean.

15:42Sugar.

15:43Sean.

15:44Yep.

15:45Oh, I know.

15:46I got a question.

15:47Locked and loaded.

15:48So we'll talk to him.

15:49Rob.

15:50Because he is the tallest small person I've ever met in my life.

15:51Who?

15:52Sugar.

15:53Sean.

15:54We're not talking.

15:55We're not talking to sugar.

15:56Sean.

15:57No, we're talking to.

15:58Yeah, right.

15:59Yeah.

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