00:00Moving forward, do you feel that PTI will have some ease or difficulties as a result of the overall political scene?
00:14Popularity and all that is in its place.
00:16But that tension, pressure, pressure will continue to increase in the coming months on PTI.
00:22Mr. Haseeb Adhami, the politics of Pakistan is not just that on one side there is Muslim League Noon and on the other PTI.
00:34There is a lot more in the politics of Pakistan.
00:37And you should also keep an eye on the developments that are taking place.
00:41The resignation of Akhtar Mangal from the National Assembly is such a development that you cannot ignore.
00:50Today, on one hand, the delegation of Muslim League Noon has gone to him to ask him to withdraw his resignation.
00:56On the other hand, the delegation of PTI has gone to him to ask him to withdraw his resignation.
01:00Now you just think that Muslim League Noon is a ruling party and PTI is an opposition party.
01:06Both are fighting each other.
01:08Both are going to Akhtar Mangal and asking him to withdraw his resignation.
01:10What is the reason for this?
01:11The reason is that there are some other politicians of Balochistan in the pipeline.
01:17About whom I know that they are also thinking on these lines that they are going to announce that electoral politics is a good thing.
01:29Akhtar Mangal has perhaps taken the first step because he must have come to know that there are some other politicians in my province who are also thinking.
01:37So he has come quickly and he did not even get a chance to give a speech yesterday.
01:43The meeting was cancelled and he went out and held a press conference.
01:48Maulana Fazlur Rehman is also talking on these lines.
01:53A few days ago, I had a chance to sit with him in great detail.
02:04I could smell that Maulana Fazlur Rehman has changed from parliamentary politics.
02:13He was telling us such facts not only about KPK but also about Balochistan.
02:20He was saying that there is no use of politics in this country.
02:23Because Shabaz Sharif and Asif Ali Zardari have nothing.
02:30So if they come to me and tell me to do this and that, then I tell them to tell me if there is any benefit in this.
02:39If you are coming to me for someone else's benefit, then what do I have to do with this benefit?
02:44We should try that Shabaz Sharif, Asif Ali Zardari, you and me,
02:52politicians like Maulana Fazlur Rehman, Akhtar Mengal and a few others who are thinking on these lines,
03:00should at least have their trust in the parliamentary politics of Pakistan.
03:07Maulana Fazlur Rehman has not said this publicly but I am doing this in your program
03:12so that people know as a warning that it is possible that Maulana Fazlur Rehman
03:19who is a militant at one time, he fought against him and he said that the revolution in Pakistan cannot come through guns,
03:29it can come through political struggle.
03:31So now they have been forced.
03:33Now what are you telling them? Come and join our government.
03:37You are not telling them to come together and establish the rule of law in Pakistan.
03:43You are not saying this.
03:45You are saying that they should come and be a part of us and take ministries from us.
03:49So this is the difference.
03:51Whoever goes to them, they say the same thing.
03:54You are right.
03:55God forbid, if these issues are not addressed, then all these debates that we are saying will remain secondary and this debate will become real.
04:01Mr. Kamran, if the government says that they will bring a package of reforms in which there are high courts,
04:09then is it possible that you will extend your support to them?
04:13Yes, look, as Mir Sahib was saying, it is not a matter of taking ministries.
04:20If you want to bring a package of reforms, then first you have to scrap this election.
04:26I personally know that the three morning assemblies of Quetta were forcibly snatched from us.
04:32I am not talking about the rest of Balochistan.
04:34One national assembly in my city was forcibly snatched.
04:37We had left one for Mr. Khan and one was forcibly snatched from us.
04:43There were two sessions in the national assembly in Quetta.
04:46If we want to get out of this, then look, Akhtar has resigned.
04:52This has started to be discussed in our circles as well.
04:56Yes, let's break it. Let's leave this parliamentary politics.
04:59And the day we leave it, then it is possible that you will not have much time left.
05:06Okay.
05:07Sir, towards the end, has it been decided?
05:11A few days ago, your member Noor-ul-Alam Khan brought a bill
05:14and you said that we will talk to Maulana Sahib about it tomorrow.
05:17That day you said.
05:18And then we will be able to give an opportunity to support it at the party level or not.
05:22So what has been decided then?
05:27It has been said that if you think about it further,
05:31this will be his private member bill.
05:35He said that he brought it in 2018 and I think it is appropriate.
05:40Then it was broken.
05:43He said that you see for yourself and think about it.
05:48So JEE may not support this bill at the party level in the parliament.
05:52I think it is not right for me to talk about it.
05:55I don't want to upset any of my colleagues.
05:57Anyway, he said that you think about it.
06:00Okay, he said that you think about it.
06:02Thank you very much, sir.
06:04So, Mr. Fahad, let's conclude this debate.
06:07Please predict in general.
06:09Keeping all these factors in mind,
06:11from where we started, Mr. Chief Justice,
06:13from where Mr. Mir took the point that it is a very sensitive aspect of Balochistan,
06:17and Mr. Faiz Ameer,
06:20keeping the whole picture in mind,
06:22what do you think,
06:23in the next two to three months,
06:25will there be any further spread in politics,
06:28or will there be a certain limit?
06:30This week, four days later,
06:32there will be a PTI meeting.
06:36Look, in my opinion,
06:38if you mean to say that the roads will start heating up,
06:42then I don't think that will happen.
06:43Okay.
06:44But, it is possible that there will be a PTI meeting,
06:48but if there is a meeting,
06:49will the political map of Pakistan change?
06:52I don't think that will happen.
06:53I think the main focus for the next few weeks
06:56will be on the judiciary,
06:58on the parliament,
06:59on the numbers game,
07:01on the reforms,
07:02because this is the first target,
07:04which is the date of 25th October.
07:06After that, new matters will move forward.
07:09In my opinion, where we are seeing a problem,
07:11which can be a very worrying thing,
07:15that is the situation in Balochistan.
07:17The resignation of Mr. Akhsar Mahengal,
07:19clearly reflects that
07:22the political focus has already gone towards those people,
07:30or the political initiative has already gone towards those people,
07:33who are not a part of the parliamentary politics.
07:35Now, if those people who really fight elections,
07:38and represent their communities in the parliament,
07:43if they are also changing,
07:44then that problem can arise.
07:46But, the bigger question, of course, then would be,
07:48that the situation in Balochistan,
07:50how much impact will it have on the people in power in Islamabad.
07:56In a larger scheme, it is there,
07:59but the very focused objectives that we are seeing for the next few weeks,
08:05I think they are a little separate.
08:07Balochistan has a larger strategic issue,
08:10which if it is not solved,
08:12or if it is not improved,
08:14then ultimately there will be a big problem after death.
08:17So, basically, my concluding remark would be,
08:19that in my opinion, in the next 5-6 weeks,
08:21I see a laser-sharp focus,
08:25on the date of 25th October,
08:27to successfully achieve that goal,
08:30which the government is currently focusing on.
08:33And the last question, Mr. Mir,
08:35regarding the negotiations,
08:37where did this excitement come from?
08:39Does Nawaz Sharif really want all the political parties,
08:44including the PTI,
08:46to have unconditional, non-conditional negotiations,
08:49so that the impression of our Jamaat does not go,
08:52that we are a non-democratic party.
08:55I mean, can the Noon League really afford something like this?
08:58Or has it just come out of nowhere?
09:01No, it is not like that.
09:03It has come out of nowhere.
09:05The Noon League,
09:07the decisions that it makes nowadays,
09:09it does not make the decisions itself.
09:11The decision is made first,
09:13it is just announced.
09:16So, those who are negotiating,
09:18they are negotiating themselves.
09:21This has been confirmed by Ali Mir Ghandapur.
09:24So, when they are negotiating,
09:26then what is the need for the Noon League to negotiate?
09:28If that negotiation is successful or unsuccessful,
09:31then in both cases,
09:33they will tell the Noon League,
09:35that this is the result, you announce it.
09:37So, the Noon League will announce it.
09:39So, the Noon League does not want to negotiate,
09:41nor does it have the right to negotiate.
09:43And if this negotiation is successful,
09:45then is there a threat to the Noon League?
09:48No, the Noon League will just be told,
09:50that our negotiations were successful.
09:52Thank you very much.
09:54Yes, Mr. Fahad,
09:55this is your final comment.
09:59Look, in my opinion,
10:01I don't think there is going to be a big breakthrough
10:03between the establishment and the PTI.
10:05Right.
10:06Absolutely.
10:07The back channels are always open.
10:09But the basis on which such negotiations are successful,
10:15is not there yet.
10:17If the establishment wants to negotiate,
10:19then they will do it with position and strength.
10:21And that is why, in my opinion,
10:23the pressure on the PTI will continue to increase.
10:25Its negotiating power will be tried to reduce.
10:27When it happens,
10:29then at some point,
10:31the negotiations will be a little productive.
10:33I don't see this happening in the immediate short term.
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