00:00 The arguments are given, I will go straight to Wukla, what arguments were given.
00:05 Barrister Gaur Ali Khan is with us, Barrister Jahangir Jadoon is also with us.
00:10 Thank you both, but if I may.
00:11 No, Mehdat Punjota is with us today.
00:13 He has met Chairman Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:15 So let us talk to him a bit about the situation and the incidents inside.
00:19 Punjota, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:20 Walaikum-o-Alaikum, Kashif Bhai.
00:21 Thank you so much.
00:22 You had gone to meet Chairman Tehreek-e-Insaf in the jail, what did he say?
00:29 Look, the situation was very bad inside the jail.
00:35 I spoke to him in detail about the situation.
00:39 First, I was stopped outside the gate for an hour, and then I was made to sit in a separate
00:46 room for an hour.
00:47 And after an hour, the meeting started at 1.30 pm.
00:50 The meeting continued for two and a half hours.
00:53 And in the meantime, he told me that the situation there was very bad.
01:00 The washroom was open, and there was no shower system.
01:05 He told me that there were flies during the day and insects at night.
01:12 He threw some sweets there.
01:14 I don't know what it was.
01:16 I want to ask you a question, Mr. Punjota, that is this a five-star hotel or a jail?
01:21 Look, the politicians who went, I was talking to Shahid Khan Abbasi yesterday, they also
01:26 got a similar kind of jail, 8 by 6, the bathroom was connected, people have been living there
01:31 for months.
01:32 You will remember.
01:33 I am only talking about this because in America, Mr. Khan said that he would remove the ACP.
01:38 But this is what the regular Pakistani jail is.
01:41 So you say that this is not a regular jail for them?
01:45 Look, the situation is that a person who is a former prime minister, has fundamental rights,
01:52 has a right, has a law, we have also given an application in this regard, that he should
01:56 be given a class A.
01:58 In class C, they are being tortured in such a way that there is no place to offer prayer.
02:05 And in that, should the shower be broken in the washroom?
02:10 Should insects be left there?
02:12 In the same way, a fan has been installed there in the heat, so no one is allowed to
02:18 meet them all day, no lawyer can meet them, no doctor can meet them, no one can take food
02:23 with them.
02:24 So this has never happened.
02:26 We have been doing this for three days, that they have signed a lawyer's name.
02:29 Are they in solitary confinement?
02:31 Yes.
02:32 Are they in solitary confinement?
02:34 Absolutely, there is a confinement of solitude there.
02:37 They are fine, they have no objection to the fact that I am kept like this.
02:41 Neither did they say that they should file a petition in my name, nor did they say that
02:45 they should take me to class A.
02:47 I am just telling you that this is their position there.
02:50 And they said that they should take me from C to D.
02:53 But I will not accept slavery.
02:55 There are two things, either slavery or freedom.
02:57 They think that I will be nervous, I will be worried, I am ready.
03:01 They did not say for a moment that when I will be fined for my arrest.
03:05 They did not say for a moment that what is the nature of the case.
03:08 I keep telling myself that this has been done, Mr. Gaur has done this, Mr. Khai has done this,
03:12 our team is sitting prepared for this.
03:14 This is happening in the High Court, this is in the Supreme Court.
03:18 But they have definitely said that I have no confidence in Mr. Amar Farooq.
03:22 If you want to hear the case, do not let them hear it.
03:26 Yes, I am sure, I ask Vukla, Mr. Gaur is also present, it is obvious that this will be a legal strategy of Vukla.
03:34 But the meeting you had, two and a half hours, and whatever you discussed, I am sure you will not be able to tell many things.
03:41 Did you have any political discussion with them?
03:43 Absolutely, we had a political discussion.
03:47 When they told him about the election, how our community won in Peshawar,
03:54 he was very happy, there was a smile on his face,
03:57 I used to say that people used to say that the Pakistani judges are scared now,
04:03 voters will not vote, so this is great.
04:07 I told them that the rally also came out of there.
04:10 They were asking about the election, that when the time is up, they should go to the election.
04:17 I told them that after disqualifying you, they want to remove you from the post of chairman of PTI.
04:28 They said that I have no say in this.
04:30 This is the Supreme Court's decision, if you are found guilty, you cannot be the chairman of the party.
04:36 Tell me, who will lead the party in their absence? Did you talk about this?
04:40 Absolutely, they said that whatever happens, you do not have to talk about the chairman,
04:49 or make a decision about it.
04:52 We will not agree at all, if someone orders like this, we will not agree at all.
04:59 And you have to make all the decisions, no one has the power to decide.
05:06 I heard that the chairman made a list of 6-7 people,
05:13 and he said that he is writing the names on the paper, but if I am punished, then these people will decide.
05:18 He made a committee, is it a committee or a core committee?
05:24 Sir, the small committee was made in the context that if there are tickets or things like that,
05:31 or if there is a case of arrest, then that is a separate matter.
05:36 The main decisions are made by the core committee, which includes Gauhar Sahib, I am also a part of it,
05:42 Shah Mahmood Sahib heads it, along with it, Umar Ayub Sahib, Shibli Faraz plays a vital role in it.
05:51 Similarly, there are other people from different provinces,
05:54 so we have meetings every day, and decisions are made.
06:01 But with the approval of the chairman PTI, the lawyers who come to meet me,
06:05 whether you or Gauhar Sahib or anyone else,
06:08 the message will be sent to me through the lawyer who will come to meet me,
06:11 and the decision will be made.
06:14 And for now, the decision is made, the power of everything is present, it is theirs, they will make the decision.
06:19 Okay, they will decide, were you alone or did you think someone was listening to you?
06:25 I tried to talk to him slowly, I asked him here and there,
06:29 Khan Sahib said that you know that my house was not safe, so now I am here,
06:33 but we talked openly, tried to talk slowly, but we talked openly,
06:39 no one was present, the deputy superintendent was in jail, he sat with us for a while,
06:43 but mostly we were alone, and we met for two and a half hours.
06:46 And no one else went to meet him in jail?
06:49 No one went to meet him, the superintendent brought him from the jail where he was imprisoned,
06:55 brought him to his security, and he was wearing a trouser and a jogger,
07:02 he was given an hour's time, maybe he was wearing a prisoner's uniform,
07:05 or whatever it was, he was changed and brought, I could not ask this,
07:08 but when he came to me, he was in a tracksuit.
07:11 Last question, today Bilawal Bhutto gave a speech in the assembly,
07:16 he said that the parties outside the parliament should also talk,
07:21 maybe Imran Khan Sahib should also be included,
07:23 did he give such a speech before being punished,
07:27 did he give this indication that everyone should sit together?
07:30 Did such a thing happen or what will be the next political dialogue?
07:33 Look, I told him that Qamar Zaman Qari Sahib has also said that
07:37 the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf chairman should also have a dialogue with him,
07:42 and should ask him about the entire government,
07:45 if according to the law, we are giving names,
07:48 if two parties are giving names and more, then they should also have a dialogue with them,
07:52 I told him that, and he smiled and said that he has spoken,
08:01 I said that he has spoken, and it is not the democracy
08:06 that you remove a party from the head and do not include them in any way,
08:11 even today you see what the result was in Peshawar.
08:14 So, he was ready for this conversation?
08:17 Yes, no, I did not ask in this regard that should we have a dialogue or not,
08:22 in this regard, if he will say about our meeting,
08:25 if he will go and ask the committee, then he will definitely do it,
08:29 the decision that came in the election,
08:31 I did ask about it, our chairman, our vice chairman, Shah Mehmood Qureshi Sahib,
08:37 he messaged me that you should ask him,
08:39 that the decisions that are coming from here,
08:41 in relation to census, or in relation to the mark, or in relation to you,
08:47 he said that everyone should be challenged.
08:50 Everyone should be challenged.
08:52 Everyone should be challenged.
08:53 Thank you very much, Mr. Panjota, you just met the chairman of Tariq-e-Insaf.
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