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00:00I think everybody should be able to do what they want to do. I don't think that anyone should be
00:04upset because a reality TV star wants to go on and post a picture of themselves and make money
00:09off of it.
00:13Virtual reality.
00:15Heather from Double Lives of Suburban Wives, we are so excited to chat with you. This reality
00:22show was so insane and so fascinating. After it's all said and done, watching it, watching the
00:29viewers watch it, how are you feeling about doing the show?
00:32Well, first off, can I fangirl for a quick minute?
00:36Stop.
00:36I just wanted to, please, I want to say I'm so excited to be here because this is one of
00:41the podcasts that I had hoped that I would make it on when I did the show. I listen to
00:46your guys' podcast every day, driving back and forth from my corporate job. And it's so
00:52funny because my friends would watch Love Island and I never had the time, but I knew exactly
00:58what was going on because of you guys.
01:00Oh my gosh, wait, stop.
01:02That means a lot.
01:03That is so sweet.
01:04Honestly, thank you for that.
01:05You guys bring help so well.
01:06And also that you still listen to us even after you got fired from the corporate job.
01:10You didn't have to drive to anymore.
01:13Wow, well, I'm glad we can make the drives more enjoyable.
01:16But also now you are a reality TV star, so you are part of the virtual reality world.
01:20So how does that feel? Is it crazy?
01:24It's exciting, but what is even crazier is my hometown still doesn't even know who I am.
01:32Wow, but that's kind of nice to have that anonymity still.
01:38It is.
01:38That's actually kind of a gift, to be completely honest.
01:41It is.
01:42I love it.
01:43I can go to the gym.
01:44I can go to the grocery store.
01:45I don't have people coming up to me, especially, you know, with the nature of the show.
01:50So it's kind of a relief.
01:52Well, I was going to say, it's a very nice relief because when we've caught up with some
01:56of your other castmates, they've not had that experience and they've had people kind
02:00of come up to them at certain places that, I mean, we've seen on the show, getting kicked
02:05out of gyms and everything like that.
02:07So were you kind of prepared for the worst, but now this is kind of better than expected?
02:14I was definitely prepared for the worst.
02:16I know a lot of my friends had gone through a lot of hard times and I really expected
02:21the same.
02:22And it's not to say it's not to come at some point.
02:26I mean, there's still time for people to figure it out, but I'm very thankful, especially
02:31the gym, because I couldn't, I go to the gym every day.
02:34I couldn't live my life without the gym.
02:36So being kicked out of my gym and we don't have very many gyms around here to choose from
02:39either.
02:40So that's a big deal.
02:42Yeah, I mean, doing OnlyFans and having this be your main source of income, there of course
02:49is a stigma around it.
02:50And like you're saying, it's kind of a relief that some people don't know quite yet about
02:55it.
02:56How do you feel about being on OnlyFans?
02:58Like, do you, do you love it?
02:59Do you enjoy it?
03:01I love it.
03:02I've been an OnlyFans girl for seven years now, so it's not new to me.
03:06I was on it way before the show, you know, reached out.
03:10So it's, it's my thing.
03:12It was extra income and obviously now it's full income.
03:16It makes it a little bit more stressful and difficult, but I still enjoy it every day.
03:21And I love to, I know you said this is how your story with it started and some of your
03:26other castmates have as well, that it kind of came from a place of at first low self-esteem
03:31where you kind of were feeling a certain way about your body.
03:34And I know some of your castmates have opened up about this and then you were kind of seeing
03:38this incredible feedback from people engaging with it.
03:42But now that your body, like you kind of like, it is your job.
03:46Like, do you still have days of low self-esteem or is that kind of just all in the past?
03:50I was actually just talking to a fan about this the other day.
03:54And for me, it's really all in the past now.
03:58Like I said, I've been doing it for seven years.
04:00So I feel with my huge fan base that I've had and all the positivity from them, like
04:07I just really feel good about myself all the time.
04:10And like I said, I'm in the gym every day, so I work hard on my body.
04:13It's not perfect, but I love it.
04:15I think I do a great job with it and my fans love it.
04:18So my husband loves it.
04:20No, I know it's easy to have good self-esteem when you look like that because you look incredible.
04:23And also, did you get highlights?
04:25The hair looks so good.
04:27This is from prior to the show.
04:29I did it right before we started filming, so they just lasted.
04:33Okay.
04:33Oh my God.
04:34It lasted so long because you guys filmed how many months ago?
04:37It's been a while.
04:38Yeah.
04:39They've lasted a long time.
04:40My hair holds color.
04:41Yeah.
04:42Oh my God.
04:42It's beautiful.
04:43You were saying that you've been on OnlyFans for like seven years now.
04:46How do you feel like the platform has evolved over the years?
04:49Like what is the state of OnlyFans in 2026?
04:52Do we like where it has gone?
04:54Like is it better?
04:55Is it worse?
04:56Like what is going on?
04:59It's great that so many people are a part of it now.
05:03It's also very, very difficult now.
05:07When I started, that was like back in 2019-ish, 18, somewhere around there, there were not quite
05:14as many people on the platform.
05:15It was a bit newer.
05:18Also COVID, people were at home and they were at home with money.
05:22And now it's very oversaturated.
05:24And there's nothing wrong with that because, you know, everyone should get the chance to
05:28experience it and do what they want to do.
05:30But it does make it more difficult for all the creators when there's so many people on
05:34there.
05:36How do you, with the landscape changing and more, I don't want to say competition, but
05:41more creators going into the space, does it, how do you try to adapt to kind of make sure
05:48that your content stays like fresh and fun for the people?
05:51Is it with community of communicating with your fans or are you just kind of brainstorming
05:54with your husband and everything?
05:57So I pretty much do all of that on my own, but yes, I send out daily DMs and I
06:03market
06:03myself all day long on all different social sites.
06:06Marketing is probably the main thing.
06:08Of course, to get fans, you have to market.
06:11So all day long I'm marketing, but then I have to keep up with the fans that I get.
06:15So all day long I'm in my DMs.
06:17I post multiple times a day and I give them that real personalized experience because there's
06:22also a lot of bots out there now and AI.
06:26So it's really me.
06:27I don't have anybody managing my account.
06:30That's why I'm exhausted all the time.
06:32And you get kids too.
06:33You do a lot.
06:35I do.
06:36Yeah.
06:37I'm curious about that.
06:38What do you make of like AI, like AI porn, AI, all these things coming into the industry?
06:46I mean, it makes it really difficult.
06:49I don't mind AI to a point.
06:51Like I know there's some women out there that use a little bit of AI for their content, but
06:56they still like talk with their fans and things like that.
06:59And they still show real pictures as well.
07:02But for me, it's the bots.
07:04Like there's so many bots on there and bots don't get tired.
07:07They can DM every five minutes and stay up all night and we can't do that.
07:13So that makes it very hard competition.
07:14It's not even with the real women.
07:16It's with the bots.
07:18Right.
07:18And now you are actually engaging with your fans, sending those DMs.
07:22I mean, how do you maintain the stamina?
07:25How many messages are you sending a day?
07:28Multiple.
07:29It's all day long with, I mean, not every fan that's on there messages me every day.
07:35If it did, I don't think I could keep up with that.
07:38But yeah, a lot of them do.
07:40That's what they're on there for.
07:41Where they really want that personal experience these days.
07:44And if you're not going to give it to them, they're going to go somewhere else.
07:48And we know a big thing on the show was breaking the news to the mother-in-law.
07:53How, which was very dramatic and also very bold and brave of you to openly do that on a reality
07:58TV platform.
07:59How are the vibes present day?
08:02We are all, yeah, we are all good over here.
08:05Oh, good.
08:06My family is great.
08:07Yes.
08:07I am so thankful because, again, I know that's not, you know, with some of the cast, that's not the
08:12way it worked out.
08:13And I hate that for them.
08:14Yeah.
08:14So I'm just very lucky on the family side of how things turn out for me.
08:20Oh, okay.
08:21That's beautiful to hear.
08:22And you joined the platform in 2019, which was kind of ahead of the curve.
08:27What inspired you to join the platform back then?
08:30Like, what pushed you to do it?
08:31Had you been ruminating on the thought?
08:33I hadn't.
08:35So, like I said before, it was the body issues that had us on Twitter.
08:40So my husband started the Twitter page with me knowing, not without me knowing.
08:45But we posted the picture of my butt.
08:47And it was like the very next day he came to me and he's like, look at this.
08:50You have over a thousand likes on this page, on this page, which, or on this picture, sorry.
08:56But back then on Twitter, that was a big deal because Twitter wasn't as evolved as it is now either.
09:01So a thousand likes in one night was really good.
09:04So I got very excited.
09:06I took over the Twitter page instantly, started posting daily.
09:09And then somebody reached out to me and was like, hey, I love your Twitter page.
09:14I think you would do really good on OnlyFans and sent me their referral link.
09:19And I just went for it.
09:21I was like, why not?
09:22We're already posting for free.
09:23Yeah.
09:24Do you remember your first post, like creating it and how it felt to share that?
09:28Were you nervous?
09:30Very nervous.
09:32Yeah, I can really imagine.
09:34Yeah, I definitely did not have the confidence when I started that I do now.
09:40So it's just not something that I was really used to, even taking pictures.
09:45So going from taking pictures to posting a whole video of myself was insane.
09:50But again, it got great feedback, which just led to more and more.
09:54All that positive feedback just kept leading me to go on.
10:00I love it.
10:00And also, I love that you and your home is good.
10:04Everyone is in a supportive space.
10:06Like you were saying, that's not the case for the rest of your, a lot of the other cast members.
10:12Who, from watching, because obviously being on a reality show, you kind of get to see behind closed doors of
10:17some of the other women and their marriages and the inner workings.
10:21Is there one couple on the cast in particular that you kind of were maybe like, oh, I'm happy that's
10:26not my home?
10:28I don't know that there's anyone that I was like, I'm happy that's not my home.
10:33I mean, there's definitely people that I felt really bad for.
10:36You know, Macy and her dad, that's a huge deal.
10:40I can't imagine something like that happening to me.
10:43Um, I did tell my dad before the, like, right before the show aired and he was very supportive of
10:51me.
10:51Uh, so I'm thankful.
10:53But yeah, that one really got to me.
10:55I can't imagine.
10:56And I know they were really close.
10:57So have you kept up with, have you stayed in touch with her recently?
11:01Like, how's she doing?
11:03We, we kind of just check in every now and then.
11:06Um, a lot of the cast, we just kind of say, hey, how's it going?
11:10And things like that.
11:11Um, I know me and Megan are really close.
11:14We talk actually almost every day, um, texting back and forth.
11:18Uh, me and Emily, we've had a few call, few, few phone calls every now and then to check in.
11:23Um, but yeah, I think we all check in on each other and see how we're doing.
11:27Is the consensus with the check-ins, like, is there, would there be excitement for a season two?
11:31I do think there would be excitement for a season two.
11:34I definitely think that's something the cast is hopeful for.
11:37Okay, us two, fingers crossed.
11:39Yeah, no, please.
11:39Because season one was amazing.
11:41Thank you, guys.
11:42And I'm kind of wondering, too, when we've talked to some other cast members, they said
11:45that their only fan fans are obsessed with you all on reality TV.
11:51Because we were kind of like, because you never know, like, with adding something new
11:55in, would they love it?
11:55Would they be like, what's going on?
11:56But their, uh, community was obsessed with it.
11:59Was your community also?
12:01Yes.
12:01Yes, they're very obsessed with it.
12:03I get questions asked still to this day.
12:06And, you know, it stopped airing a while ago.
12:07So they still ask me questions about the show.
12:10And they're still hopeful for a season two.
12:12So that's exciting.
12:13Oh, I love it.
12:14And I'm wondering, too, because obviously you said that you have listened to us before,
12:17which is so fun.
12:18Is there a reality TV star you're obsessed with that you think would thrive on OnlyFans?
12:25Um, I mean, there's so many beautiful reality TV stars that I'm sure that they would.
12:36I don't know any names I could name off the top of my head.
12:39I also know that there are a lot of reality TV show stars that already are on there.
12:44At least Richards is crushing it on there.
12:47What do you think of reality TV stars or just celebrities in general who join OnlyFans,
12:52but they don't go the full Monty.
12:54They're just, like, posting, like, a semi-seductive picture.
12:57What does that do to the community of creators like yourself?
13:00Does it impact you?
13:01Do you have a thought, feeling, or opinion about it?
13:04I really don't.
13:05I think it's great for them.
13:07I think everybody should be able to do what they want to do.
13:10I don't think that anyone should be upset because a reality TV star wants to go on
13:14and post a picture of themselves and make money off of it.
13:17I mean, if that's what they want to do, that's what we're all out there doing, so.
13:20I love it.
13:21And before we let you go, I'm kind of wondering,
13:24for anybody who is listening who maybe wants to engage or get into the field,
13:29do you have any advice for something?
13:30Now it's like a seasoned vet, basically.
13:32You know what I mean?
13:32What advice would you give them?
13:34Yeah, so I actually do.
13:35I actually just started a mentoring program as well because I had so much feedback from the show.
13:42So many women had reached out in my DMs asking how to get started.
13:46And, of course, I can't help everybody, but I'd love to help whoever I can.
13:51So I did create a mentorship program for a small price,
13:55and I have a couple clients on who I'm helping right now.
13:59But, honestly, for me, if I could give any piece of advice, it's not how to do it.
14:04It's just to make sure that it's something that you really want to do.
14:08Like, know that it's on the Internet forever.
14:11Know that, like, as with the reality show, we did get some hate from it.
14:15So that's something that could happen.
14:17Even if you're not on a show, you're going to get hate for being an OnlyFans girl.
14:20So just be ready to deal with it.
14:23Hey, they say haters make you famous, so there you go.
14:25That's right.
14:27Thank you so much for taking the time to chat with us, girl.
14:29It was so good connecting with you.
14:30Yeah, thank you.
14:31If you're ever in the city, too, let us know.
14:33Yeah, stop by.
14:34I would love to, yes.
14:35Thank you guys so much.
14:36Bye.
14:36Thank you so much.
14:37Have a good rest of your day.
14:38Bye.